Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: with me the same way you have all week long.
Speaker 1: And the first thing I want to do is once
Speaker 1: again thank Kevin gil for yesterday, who was told on
Speaker 1: maybe between fifteen and thirty seconds notice by producer Dom
Speaker 1: that yeah, you're gonna have to jump in here because
Speaker 1: we're having some connection issues. By the way, had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with me. You will notice that Brian, if
Speaker 1: he was here, would be blaming me hardcore right now
Speaker 1: for that, and he would blame filthy if something happened.
Speaker 1: You know that that was out of our control. Somehow
Speaker 1: it would become our fault. It was not our fault.
Speaker 1: It was Brian's studio. They caused all the problems, even
Speaker 1: out on the sea. He's got to cause me some
Speaker 1: heartache this week, but that's okay because once again, filthy
Speaker 1: Tom Lawler is back again with me today. So everything
Speaker 1: is going to be wonderful. Everything is going to be fine,
Speaker 1: and maybe, just maybe later on we are going to
Speaker 1: get producer Daniel to make the call and get Greg
Speaker 1: the Hammer Valentine onto this very program. But before we
Speaker 1: do that, we have a lot of things we're going
Speaker 1: to get into today, not the least of which was
Speaker 1: a W dynamite last night with the happiest, fuzziest, warmest
Speaker 1: memories all given to me as an old Jim Crockett Jr.
Speaker 1: Pro wrestling fan from from the mid Atlantic days he were.
Speaker 1: They were in Greensboro last night and had an awesome
Speaker 1: six man main event that certainly warmed my heart. Kyle
Speaker 1: O'Reilly warming a lot of other people's hearts by not
Speaker 1: resigning with n x T and making his debut last
Speaker 1: night and a W. We also have some other news
Speaker 1: as well. Corporal Kirshner has passed away, the former leather Face.
Speaker 1: We will talk about that as well as New Japan
Speaker 1: and all Japan joining forces for the Kurrican. So that
Speaker 1: is going to be awesome celebrating the anniversary there uh
Speaker 1: Joshi Festivals starting also going to kick off that weekend,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna kick off everything with Filthy Tom Waller.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe it's very active right now, at least
Speaker 1: I hope it is not. As he continues to spend
Speaker 1: time with his family and as all of you spend
Speaker 1: time with your families during the holidays. Just want to
Speaker 1: say thank you again for for joining us today. And
Speaker 1: I gotta start this off on a little bit of
Speaker 1: a sad note for anybody who's got a little bit
Speaker 1: of age on him, like filthy and I do. And
Speaker 1: remember Corporal Kirshner Michael James Penzel passed away at the
Speaker 1: age of sixty four. It was reported by FMW Archives
Speaker 1: Bow who FMW that Kurshner had passed away. The Lawful
Speaker 1: and Funeral Home in Liberty, North Carolina had also posted
Speaker 1: an obituary. Kirshner started his career in training under verne
Speaker 1: Ganja and first started working in the w w F
Speaker 1: as a prelimb guy. He soon adopted the name Corporal Kirshner,
Speaker 1: which highlighted his legitimate experience as a paratrooper in the
Speaker 1: eight second Airborne. The problem, unfortunately, with that was character wise,
Speaker 1: he was coming in right after Sergeant Slaughter, and that's
Speaker 1: why the character was developed because Slaughter had exited stage
Speaker 1: right over fees in issues over the g I. Joe
Speaker 1: deal and whether WWF was going to get a cut
Speaker 1: of that. He ended up leaving going to the a
Speaker 1: w A, the Pro Wrestling USA deal, and when that happened.
Speaker 1: Somebody had to take on the Iron Sheet and Nikolai
Speaker 1: Volkoff in the Battle of the USA against everybody, all
Speaker 1: the four and menaces back in the day, and that
Speaker 1: ended up becoming Corporal Kirshner. Probably the high point of
Speaker 1: his career there was defeating Nikolai Volkoff in the Flag
Speaker 1: versus Flag match at WrestleMania two. He was out of
Speaker 1: the company after that, ended up going to New Japan
Speaker 1: for a little bit before he reinvented himself as leather
Speaker 1: Face and became one of the featured outsiders in fm W.
Speaker 1: And I kinda I was never a fan that style
Speaker 1: of wrestling, certainly not back in that day at all.
Speaker 1: And plus that stuff was relatively hard to find unless
Speaker 1: you are a tape trader, which I was not at
Speaker 1: the time either. So it wasn't until a lot later
Speaker 1: on that I got to see some of the sheer
Speaker 1: insanity that would take place, you know, probably because of
Speaker 1: mcfoley and like nine whatever it was when he came
Speaker 1: to ECW and he started, you know, seeing a little
Speaker 1: bit more that we saw some of this crazy stuff
Speaker 1: that was going on, and Tom he had a match
Speaker 1: as one of the leather faces against uh oh No
Speaker 1: and and knock a MOCKI and it was the damnedest
Speaker 1: thing I had ever seen. I can still remember seeing
Speaker 1: it for the first time. I'm like, whatever grainy internet
Speaker 1: video footage, I ultimately saw it on of these two
Speaker 1: men power bombing oh No into a bed of nails.
Speaker 1: And I guess there's still some debate to this day
Speaker 1: over whether did they shoot on him or not, whatever
Speaker 1: the deal was, but they put him on this bed
Speaker 1: of nails. He's jumping on his chest with barbed wire boards.
Speaker 1: It's just it's the damnedest thing. Did you ever have
Speaker 1: a chance to see Kirshner at all, let alone some
Speaker 1: of these exploits later in his career. Well, I believe
Speaker 1: I had been exposed to him through watching the I
Speaker 1: W A King of the Death matches, Stranglemania, those sort
Speaker 1: of events, But I did not see him during his heyday.
Speaker 1: I did watch the aforementioned match, the match you just
Speaker 1: mentioned against on No and Nakamaki is it um And
Speaker 1: I'll be damned if that is not one of the
Speaker 1: most uncomfortable, disgusting, horrific things I have seen in the ring.
Speaker 1: And I've seen the Blood Hunter I've seen that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff live on until uh today's day, and Age
Speaker 1: Tom Wikipedia says you're filthy? Is that true? I don't
Speaker 1: like that guy. Sorry, okay, well, leather Face, did I
Speaker 1: throw you off? I'm sorry a little bit. Leatherface was
Speaker 1: the precursor. I guess this sort of stuff like that
Speaker 1: because I can't tell if that was real or fake.
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on in that Super
Speaker 1: nail Hell match or whatever it was with Oo Naka Machi.
Speaker 1: But like you said, it's not my cup of tea.
Speaker 1: I don't know whose it is. But you've got to
Speaker 1: give props to the guys who are out there, you know,
Speaker 1: putting it all on the line, uh, in those types
Speaker 1: of matches for for the fans that like that stuff
Speaker 1: wild as hell. I mean that that is for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean the Gilbert's I think it was Eddie Gilbert
Speaker 1: and Doug Gilbert for sure. They they were involved in
Speaker 1: something like that too. And it may have been FMW.
Speaker 1: I means it was always FMW or i w A
Speaker 1: where it was like something insane was gonna happen, whether
Speaker 1: it be i w A in Puerto Rico or Japan
Speaker 1: or Mid South like somebody was gonna bleed all over
Speaker 1: the place and things were gonna be uncomfortable. And I
Speaker 1: remember they were involved in something like that too, and
Speaker 1: it was the same way. Where was there a work
Speaker 1: or shoot, they ripped off their masks, they say they
Speaker 1: quit the company, and then they looked like they about
Speaker 1: killed the people that they were working with. So it
Speaker 1: was always absolutely absolute insanity when he comes to that stuff.
Speaker 1: And uh, unfortunately, you know, this is how I remember
Speaker 1: Corporate Curshner. It is the only other way I remember
Speaker 1: Corporate Curshner was back in the day where I was
Speaker 1: old enough to have the old like l j Endall.
Speaker 1: My son got me a Bruno, uh and I had
Speaker 1: the original one where Corporate Curshner without the beard on,
Speaker 1: just with the pose. You know that that was pretty
Speaker 1: much all the l j N poses. They all pretty much,
Speaker 1: you know, looked like this. But uh, yeah, So the
Speaker 1: Corporate Curshner passed away at the age of sixty four
Speaker 1: years old. One of the dumb things that happened was
Speaker 1: I think we had already talked about his death on
Speaker 1: the show a couple of years ago, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: because WWD dot Com reported that he had passed away
Speaker 1: and then he had to tell them, well, no I didn't,
Speaker 1: I'm right here, and they ended upting retraction. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that that was a couple of years ago. But yeah, oops,
Speaker 1: that's yeah not good. There was like the wrong one
Speaker 1: leg guy that the Johnny A signed, the guy from
Speaker 1: Florida instead of Zack Gwen then Steve Chamberlain, I can't
Speaker 1: remember what the guy's name was, and you know, ended
Speaker 1: up having to one leg guys on the roster. But
Speaker 1: from one side of Japan to another, the more traditional
Speaker 1: side of New Japan and All Japan Pro Wrestling which
Speaker 1: we're thriving. When FMW was was trying to get themselves
Speaker 1: off the ground and do something, and they've both been
Speaker 1: through a lot of ups and downs since then. But
Speaker 1: they're going to be holding a joint show on April
Speaker 1: sixteen to commemorate Kraken Hall's sixtieth birthday. There's going to
Speaker 1: be a Joshi festival taking place the day before. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure who's going to be involved there, but it's
Speaker 1: hard to believe that with New Japan being a all
Speaker 1: that stardom will not be and I'm sure there are
Speaker 1: going to be some outline groups that don't want anything
Speaker 1: to do with it, but now would be a great time,
Speaker 1: I would assume, in especially Japanese women's wrestling, to try
Speaker 1: to work together the best you can when things have
Speaker 1: been so lean there and things continue to be lean.
Speaker 1: We don't know when how long this next COVID blast
Speaker 1: is going to and how it's going to affect things
Speaker 1: moving forward, but Tokyo Sports is reporting that these shows
Speaker 1: are going to take place on the fifteenth and sixteen.
Speaker 1: Uh No cards have been announced, and again, like I said, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody has been mentioned as far as the Joshi uh
Speaker 1: promotions that will be working out and taking place, but
Speaker 1: New Japan also working with Noah right now with Night
Speaker 1: three of the Russell sixteen the Russell Kingdom sixteen shows
Speaker 1: tom Obviously, there's been some banter about the New Japan
Speaker 1: Noah card in that some people are really upset that
Speaker 1: they're not going to get like single style dream matches
Speaker 1: for the most part on those shows, and I understand,
Speaker 1: but I also understand that this maybe step one in
Speaker 1: moving forward to maybe several other shows this year. At
Speaker 1: least that's maybe I'm I'm wish casting that, but that's
Speaker 1: kind of how I looked at that, but I think
Speaker 1: in this case with all Japan, couldn't you go ahead
Speaker 1: and actually have some more you know shows with you know,
Speaker 1: some more matches with some gravitas, Well, you absolutely could.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what we're gonna get. I mean, Mike,
Speaker 1: you have followed this scene as long as anybody that
Speaker 1: I know or speak to on a regular basis, and
Speaker 1: you never get these big time dream matches that you're
Speaker 1: very rarely due between the promotions. It's usually tag team matches,
Speaker 1: multiman tag matches, and that's exactly what we're gonna get,
Speaker 1: uh in this upcoming you know, third Night of Russell Kingdom. Now,
Speaker 1: whether that leads to singles matches down the road with
Speaker 1: the champions, whether it's Nakajima, Shingo Okada, a mix of
Speaker 1: everybody in there, I don't know. You know, we could
Speaker 1: just go back to the regular role day where it's
Speaker 1: Noah versus Noah, New Japan versus New Japan, and that's
Speaker 1: what we get. But I'm excited to see either way.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to continue on with the show too, because
Speaker 1: we haven't even gotten into a w Dynamite yet with
Speaker 1: the main event that makes old men happy. Restumes are alive,
Speaker 1: come on back on the show, Mike Simber, meet me here, Philipy,
Speaker 1: Tom Waller, Rustumes overlive, Griselda. I don't think West sight
Speaker 1: Gun is gonna come on this show, but unlike a
Speaker 1: W we'll actually acknowledge who he is or NXT did
Speaker 1: that too, But I don't watch that show. So I
Speaker 1: also can't answer the question that Tom asked me during
Speaker 1: the break. Isn't Carmelo Hayes Michael Hayes's son, Now, I'd
Speaker 1: like to think so, well, well, when you watch as
Speaker 1: a bunch of w W as me, you sometimes have
Speaker 1: to make up your own storylines. So will you be watching?
Speaker 1: Simply a question? Uh you know, I didn't watch it
Speaker 1: last week once I realized that I didn't have to
Speaker 1: cover it on Monday, uh with Brian So uh no,
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I probably won't watch it
Speaker 1: because there is a live Dynamite or not lie, but
Speaker 1: a taped Dynamite on Saturday. And actually before that, there
Speaker 1: is the best of New Japan Strong One, which will
Speaker 1: be airing free on YouTube Live I believe at five
Speaker 1: pm Pacific, and uh you know, perhaps there'll be some
Speaker 1: notable wrestlers jumping in the old chat there on YouTube
Speaker 1: for this New Japan Strong Best of premiere. Oh m,
Speaker 1: all of team Filthy or are you going to send
Speaker 1: your minions out there to do your bidding for you?
Speaker 1: Or are you actually going to be in that chat?
Speaker 1: Don't don't do this to the people. Don't tease them
Speaker 1: like this. Don't get them all all excited and ready
Speaker 1: and hot for something and then and then pull it
Speaker 1: back on them. Don't be that kind of heal Tom Lawler, listen,
Speaker 1: the real representatives of the West Side, whether you're packing
Speaker 1: heat or not, the West Side, the West Coast wrecking
Speaker 1: crew will probably be at the gym. And if they're
Speaker 1: not at the gym, they'll be stuffing down some turkey
Speaker 1: to get that protein in Afterwards. Danny Lime lights on
Speaker 1: vacation in Puerto Rico and j R Crados. Do you
Speaker 1: think that guy's hands can fit on a computer or
Speaker 1: phone and use them properly? I don't think so. Filthy
Speaker 1: Tom will be repente and filthy. The sponsors paid the
Speaker 1: good money. I'll be there in the chat. New Japan
Speaker 1: Strong Best of New Japan Strong on YouTube Saturday night,
Speaker 1: Christmas PM. You gotta ask you, it's gonna be Christmas.
Speaker 1: You're gonna You're gonna have some some sort of beverage
Speaker 1: by your side here because I see that whiskey is
Speaker 1: going to be served at Corkin Hall. That has now
Speaker 1: been decided between Kinnamaru and Yao. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about that decision making. I've been waiting to get my
Speaker 1: hands on Yao for years, and unfortunately, due to this pandemic,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. But I actually
Speaker 1: believe if you check an interview on New Japan's website,
Speaker 1: I believe I called out Yao for the three King
Speaker 1: of Pro Wrestling either last year or the year before,
Speaker 1: and that is still my goal. So I predict that Yao,
Speaker 1: despite it not being suky that they're drinking in the
Speaker 1: match and it being whiskey, I think Yao is gonna
Speaker 1: pull out the victory somehow. And for those who are
Speaker 1: underway or the unaware, the year end party match between
Speaker 1: Cannamorrow and Yana will be a normal match except for
Speaker 1: the fact that wrestlers are going to be uh here
Speaker 1: this is the quote, forced to drink alcohol at two intervals.
Speaker 1: The referee will then administer a twenty count after the
Speaker 1: shots are taken. Should either competitor not be able to
Speaker 1: respond to the twenty count, they will lose, but pinfall
Speaker 1: submission and disqualification rules still apply. Uh. This sounds like
Speaker 1: the Power Hour in college, which I, assuming that you
Speaker 1: have some experience with, I was more of an Edward
Speaker 1: forty hands guy myself to be fair. Uh do we
Speaker 1: have to explain this to kids? Now? Do they still?
Speaker 1: Cos I don't know what you would be forced to
Speaker 1: do in the game of Edward forty hands is take
Speaker 1: to forty ouch drinks, probably a Slit small liquor or
Speaker 1: mad Dog some sort, saying I believe there were a
Speaker 1: former UFC sponsor at one point. Uh, and you would
Speaker 1: have to tape them around your forearms and hands, and
Speaker 1: you well, you couldn't take the bottles off until you
Speaker 1: were done drinking them, and makes it very hard to urinate. Uh.
Speaker 1: The goal, of course, is to hold it as long
Speaker 1: as possible and not face the embarrassment of being Edward
Speaker 1: forty hands himself. And Dr Kiltinski went to his went
Speaker 1: to his wedding, stood in and his uh, his rehearsal
Speaker 1: dinner and all the groomsmen. We all had our our
Speaker 1: forty that we were given and I had I think
Speaker 1: it was what was a Camo malt liquor. Was the
Speaker 1: first time I ever had Camo since where I was
Speaker 1: it was a lot of sane I's and Colt forty five,
Speaker 1: and I remember they had the sixty four ounds private
Speaker 1: stock malt liquor that was the terrible thing, and the
Speaker 1: other malt, at least with Edward forty hands. It did
Speaker 1: force you to drink it even faster, and malt liquor
Speaker 1: out of a sixty four ounces or a forty ounce bottle,
Speaker 1: I mean it got like halfway like and that was
Speaker 1: bad enough. Although Steel Reserved. Do you remember that one
Speaker 1: when that came out? I absolutely do remember Steel Reserve?
Speaker 1: And yeah, what was the number in the bottle? Because
Speaker 1: I've worked at a liquor store and guys would come
Speaker 1: and say, give me that nine one one, and that's
Speaker 1: what they meant, because it was like they had a
Speaker 1: seven eleven in the bottle or something like that. But
Speaker 1: they didn't care. It was just that they called it.
Speaker 1: And that's true because if you drank too many you
Speaker 1: need it, you absolutely would. I mean I felt like
Speaker 1: I drank one too many last night as I'm watching
Speaker 1: Dynamite and I see people appearing out of left field
Speaker 1: add x T and then I see all the men
Speaker 1: diving off the top turn buckle to the outside in
Speaker 1: the main event. I thought I had drink it too much, Mike,
Speaker 1: But I had it. It was just another week on
Speaker 1: a W Dynamite. Now. I'm sure you have cross paths
Speaker 1: with Bobby Fish and Kylo Riley before. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know where. It was like, almost like a different
Speaker 1: lifetime ago when you had done such things there. But Mike,
Speaker 1: it's almost like I cornered them in a two thousand
Speaker 1: fourteen title win against the young Bucks who were in
Speaker 1: the very ring with them. Last night, after Kylo Riley
Speaker 1: made his debut on a W Dynamite in the opening
Speaker 1: segment in a match between Adam Cole and Orange Cassidy,
Speaker 1: a match I enjoyed very much as well as did
Speaker 1: the fans. Had a this is awesome chant going before
Speaker 1: the finish. I thought Orange Cassie looked great. He outwrestled
Speaker 1: Cole early on the Bucks and the best friends brawled
Speaker 1: to the back. The match continued on Orange Cassidy seemingly
Speaker 1: had it in control. Outcomes Bobby Fish, That dastardly Bobby Fish,
Speaker 1: the youngster getting his TV time, only to distract the
Speaker 1: referee so that the violent artist himself, Kylo Riley could
Speaker 1: make his A E W debut. He is now all
Speaker 1: elite and seemingly in coats with Adam Cole and Bobby Fish.
Speaker 1: I like how you call him the youngster. That's like
Speaker 1: a gorilla monsoon calling Carlos Cologne the youngster at the
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble that one he when he was out there
Speaker 1: the the well, the well seasoned Bobby Fish out there,
Speaker 1: And I gotta be honest, I I like Orange Cassidy.
Speaker 1: I No, I never have had to bet with Orange Cassidy.
Speaker 1: I thought it. I thought it did go on for
Speaker 1: a little bit too long there, even though that's a nitpick,
Speaker 1: but I do have to ask what what exactly was
Speaker 1: he doing at the end uh with the Was that
Speaker 1: going to be a flying body press? What move could
Speaker 1: you have pulled off the top rope with the hands
Speaker 1: in the pockets like that? Was he going for the
Speaker 1: cross body? Or was Blockbuster would have been crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or Cassie was he was in control of the actually
Speaker 1: went up top, put his hands in his pockets and
Speaker 1: left off the top. It just got his head super
Speaker 1: kicked off before Panama Sunrise. Like, I don't know, Listen,
Speaker 1: people always try to nitpick things in wrestling matches. Ago
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. Well, unfortunately or fortunately, no
Speaker 1: matter depending on how you look at it. I've watched
Speaker 1: a lot of fights now where people just do stupid
Speaker 1: stuff for no reason. So I'm gonna chalk up whatever
Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy was doing to that. Why did chill saw
Speaker 1: it into a flip over Fador's back? Right? Like what
Speaker 1: is going on in some of these instances? So that
Speaker 1: to me, that was we just chalk that one up
Speaker 1: to a bad strategy, bad tactics on the part of
Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy. Anybody not named Noohico Takata doing a dropkick
Speaker 1: in the match, I'm looking at you, Minoa Man, like,
Speaker 1: don't don't, don't do that. But I want to take
Speaker 1: it from pillar to post just in case we we
Speaker 1: get two out of line here. We'll fill in the
Speaker 1: rest of these details. But I want to take it
Speaker 1: to the main event right away because this was Greensboro,
Speaker 1: and you know, I I love this f t R.
Speaker 1: M JF Tully, Blanche Seawan Spears and Wordlow. You would
Speaker 1: have thought, you know, they weren't. Where was Tully anyway?
Speaker 1: But Darby Allen Sting CM punk, I love this and
Speaker 1: I just I love pro wrestling, and every day we
Speaker 1: gotta sit on this show, and I gotta be on
Speaker 1: with Brian, and we gotta knit things. We got to
Speaker 1: look at things with a critical eye. We have to
Speaker 1: have Brian rant and just sap all the life out
Speaker 1: of me. Sometimes when I just don't want to ran,
Speaker 1: I don't want to ran about Raw, I don't even
Speaker 1: want to give it any oxygen. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about things to make me happy and matches that make
Speaker 1: me happy, in situations that make me happy, and last
Speaker 1: night was one of those things. Because that was much
Speaker 1: like it Radicals d X against Too Cool, Rakishi and
Speaker 1: mc foley and the Rock match on Raw that took
Speaker 1: place in two thousand, like this was my match of
Speaker 1: the year. This was like my wrestling fan geek happiness,
Speaker 1: like point to a match that it says you know
Speaker 1: you love wrestling for, and this was it for me.
Speaker 1: It was a really well worked match with six guys
Speaker 1: that I consider stars the best tag team in the
Speaker 1: world by far a guy that was I've watched his
Speaker 1: literally his entire career, uh and watched him grow and
Speaker 1: sting and still be out there come back from an
Speaker 1: injury that people thought he was done with Darby Allen,
Speaker 1: who's might be other than Filthy Tom Lawler the most
Speaker 1: believable person I've I've seen, going as far as making
Speaker 1: things look like they hurt and having the opposition look
Speaker 1: like you know, they hurt them as well too. Alongside
Speaker 1: c him Punk with the great comeback, all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and I thought the spots that took place into it
Speaker 1: were awesome. And again, whether they be great wrestling spots
Speaker 1: or completely cartoonist spots, it just made for a perfect
Speaker 1: match of pro wrestling. But we're gonna get Filthy Tom
Speaker 1: Lawler's thoughts on that match, as well as some of
Speaker 1: the other things that took place on Dynamite and maybe
Speaker 1: even Greg the Hammer Valentine if we can we can
Speaker 1: get him on the line, we'll be back Wrestlings over Alive.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez and
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Speaker 1: Tom Lawler. This is Wrestling Observer Live. And what we've
Speaker 1: learned during break is that we're going to probably be
Speaker 1: speaking to producer Daniel a lot more when Philthy and
Speaker 1: I host the show, because we may all have some
Speaker 1: some experiences in common and and that's something we'd like
Speaker 1: to deliver to you the people if the FCC would
Speaker 1: allow it. We'll have to work on how that will
Speaker 1: actually come about. But back on the show. E W
Speaker 1: Dynamite last night, Uh, phil v again the main event
Speaker 1: for me, I mean the complete looney tune spot of
Speaker 1: of Punk chasing m JF the through the crowd. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have all of this ridiculous stuff. You have great work,
Speaker 1: you have throwback spots to the past, and you have
Speaker 1: six really good, really good to great workers. I mean
Speaker 1: m j F is again amazing, amazing for his age.
Speaker 1: F TR is so incredibly underrated. Although I think Dax
Speaker 1: Horrorwood has gotten his due this year. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Wheeler gets enough of his dude. Darby Allen is
Speaker 1: is a crazy man, Punk coming back again, holding up
Speaker 1: to his end of the deal. I just thought it
Speaker 1: was a fantastic match, and again just it was just
Speaker 1: a great, fun pro wrestling match. Yeah, and a great
Speaker 1: way to end the show. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: people will will not uh probably or not a Mexican door.
Speaker 1: We got a new dog here. I don't know. Now
Speaker 1: you letting the other dogs train the dog? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Can he get what his Can he
Speaker 1: guess what his name is? Mike? Can you guess what
Speaker 1: the new dog's name is? I will say boss Oreo,
Speaker 1: get out stop it? Orio. The kid's named Memrio. I
Speaker 1: wasn't even home black and white. We're kind of pin
Speaker 1: dog pit lab mhm. Anyways, some hard on the lab. Uh.
Speaker 1: There was a Yeah, this is like the greatest hits
Speaker 1: match in the main event for Sting, which is exactly
Speaker 1: what it should be because going into the holiday season,
Speaker 1: it's Christmas. Who doesn't want to see the old man
Speaker 1: break out some gifts for the youngsters, and that's exactly
Speaker 1: what we got here. In the main event, Punk hit
Speaker 1: the GTS on Dax and then uh Staying followed up
Speaker 1: with the Scorpion death drop. They and Darby Allen hit
Speaker 1: the Damn disc trust Fall Coffin drop halfway across the ring,
Speaker 1: maybe more, and they picked up the victory. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about w W and how they go to
Speaker 1: commercial break all the time, and the fact of the
Speaker 1: matter is you need to go to commercial break in
Speaker 1: this day. Ah have a matchup for long enough. I mean,
Speaker 1: people go, oh, it could all just be picture and
Speaker 1: you don't understand how any of this stuff works when
Speaker 1: it comes to ads, and and you know what people
Speaker 1: expect for their money when they are advertising. But the
Speaker 1: spot where Punk ran and chased m j F throughout
Speaker 1: the building and then they come back down and Darby
Speaker 1: hit I mean again to pay through the ropes on
Speaker 1: top of everybody, and it was just like the sound
Speaker 1: of it was perfect. Everything about it looked fantastic. And
Speaker 1: then they put a commercial break. It's like, well, I'll
Speaker 1: be damn you got me that that was incredible. And
Speaker 1: I thought that spot, along with Will ended up being
Speaker 1: the scariest spot in the match. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: going to look great if if it didn't look so
Speaker 1: damned dangerous. M JF tries to d d T Sting.
Speaker 1: He does gets up, of course, Sting absolutely no sells it.
Speaker 1: MGF goes to flee Sting takes the ropes crotches him,
Speaker 1: m JF gets dragged back into the ring, gets hip
Speaker 1: tossed over the top rope. Looked like he spiked himself
Speaker 1: right on his head on the concrete, terrifying whether he
Speaker 1: broke his head, his face, his neck. He looked like
Speaker 1: he could have been in bad, bad shape. Ended up
Speaker 1: not being in bad shape at all, at least as
Speaker 1: far as the match goes. How the swelling, if it's
Speaker 1: gone down afterwards, I have no idea, but two wild
Speaker 1: actual spots right there again, a very inventive one and
Speaker 1: then that that crazy one, the the hip dolls over
Speaker 1: the top. Yeah, and then Sting comes off with a
Speaker 1: plata off the post to the floor right after that.
Speaker 1: And you have to give the you have to give
Speaker 1: FTR a lot of credit on that spot because if
Speaker 1: you watch closely, they are the one that essentially saved
Speaker 1: m JF from you know, crashing head first into the
Speaker 1: ground with no cushioning. They were able to get their
Speaker 1: hands up and kind of hold onto him at least
Speaker 1: a little bit, and and soften the speed of the impact.
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of credit has to go
Speaker 1: to them to be in you know, in a the
Speaker 1: right enough spot to save him on that situation because
Speaker 1: he went flying over the top. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he was going to do a flip like you do
Speaker 1: want a hip toss, or if he you know, overshot
Speaker 1: the target, but it was essentially like the undertaker dive
Speaker 1: over the top. Uh. But he landed, you know, straight
Speaker 1: on his head and luckily it seems like he's he's okay.
Speaker 1: So the best of best wishes, uh to m JF
Speaker 1: in the light of that, it's yeah, it's that was
Speaker 1: that was terrifying. But Sting you know, comes off the
Speaker 1: top and you know immediately after that, dude, that's the
Speaker 1: other things. It was amazing as a sixty year old
Speaker 1: sting off the top with that that five which pretty
Speaker 1: much you know again also when I think more towards
Speaker 1: Dax's side there, so it was you know, they protected MGF.
Speaker 1: MJF did get up and you have to kind of
Speaker 1: like take his word for it as he's getting up,
Speaker 1: although you know, in that situation as he can cussed whatever,
Speaker 1: but they made sure that he didn't take the brunt
Speaker 1: of Sting coming down on top of him either. But again,
Speaker 1: this is a match that you know should you go
Speaker 1: out of your way to see it. Yeah. Actually, you
Speaker 1: know what, if you're a wrestling fan, you just like
Speaker 1: good old fun. This was a tremendous match. This was
Speaker 1: led into by Malachi Black and Griff Garrison. Griff Garrison
Speaker 1: at least has got some you know, cajones well as
Speaker 1: Brian Pillman Jr. Doesn't. He's worried about cancel culture or whatever.
Speaker 1: Griff is worried about defending the honor of his girl
Speaker 1: and doing it in the state of North Carolina, where
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was from, but apparently he was
Speaker 1: from Winston Sale and at his letterman's jacking on and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So he goes out there and then gets, uh, doesn't
Speaker 1: get murderized by Malachi Black, and in fact gets a
Speaker 1: lot of good stuff in. And I'm sitting there watching
Speaker 1: that thinking, you know, Malachi Black can make I don't
Speaker 1: want to say anybody look good, but he's just got
Speaker 1: so many ways he can work a style. He's such
Speaker 1: a unique look. Again, there's to me so many advantages
Speaker 1: to having a guy like that, And it's always amazed me.
Speaker 1: The w W E didn't know what to do with him,
Speaker 1: and I guess it doesn't surprise me. But man, did
Speaker 1: a w gett a winner here? I think, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly the quote that I believe it was
Speaker 1: Tory Trevanna used, but he said, when Malachi Black came out,
Speaker 1: this guy looks like a movie monster or something along
Speaker 1: those lines. And you know, that's exactly I believe the presentation. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of going for and I think
Speaker 1: that's how he comes off. He comes off like a
Speaker 1: superstar star caressing star. Yes. And you know, in a way,
Speaker 1: I think the misuse of him by the w W
Speaker 1: E and the kind of like start and stop push
Speaker 1: of him didn't damage him as badly because there was
Speaker 1: a lot of times where he just wasn't on TV.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't like he was out there chasing
Speaker 1: seven title like some of the other guys get pushed
Speaker 1: down the card into doing and that kind of relegates
Speaker 1: them to that he would have matches, that he'd be
Speaker 1: off TV, that he'd come back and get a push,
Speaker 1: and then he'd be off TV again. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the fact that there wasn't like a burnout
Speaker 1: of him losing allowed him to keep a semblance of
Speaker 1: protection around him and around this character, and I think
Speaker 1: it's really paid off. You know, he's a superstar man
Speaker 1: the injury, the advantage in being injured in w w
Speaker 1: E was they would screw up for a while and
Speaker 1: then people would forget about you, and then you'd come
Speaker 1: back and it's like, well yeah, man, like Wade Barrett.
Speaker 1: It was the greatest example of that, Like, man, they
Speaker 1: haven't gotten it right. But then you go away for
Speaker 1: a while, it's like all right, I know when they
Speaker 1: bring him back. This dude can he can talk, he
Speaker 1: can bang, he looks like all those things, and it
Speaker 1: just wouldn't happen. It just wouldn't happen at all. And
Speaker 1: then you know he now he's in the n x
Speaker 1: T as an announcer, which I'm glad the n w A.
Speaker 1: I don't know who revived his kind of career that way.
Speaker 1: I guess it was them and then n XD signed him.
Speaker 1: But it's nice to actually hear him because I think
Speaker 1: he's really good at that too. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 1: how we got out to Wade Barrett, but I don't
Speaker 1: know either, but we'll just go ahead and keep rewinding
Speaker 1: back on the card and the TBS semi files. Rooby
Speaker 1: so Ruby Soho and her jacket against Nila Rose, and
Speaker 1: uh like Nila Rose can work really well with almost
Speaker 1: anybody as far as being able to be a great bass,
Speaker 1: to look like a monster to always battle against, and
Speaker 1: you know, experience is her obviously the biggest issue, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's only going to come in time, and it's
Speaker 1: only she's only going to get better working with people
Speaker 1: like Ruby Soho, and they have a great angle going
Speaker 1: into I guess it's gonna be hurting Jay Cargo. You know,
Speaker 1: it's tough for me not to believe that. So you
Speaker 1: know the deal there of her shoulder and how she
Speaker 1: sold it and then ultimately getting the victory by having
Speaker 1: to utilize the no future out of nowhere getting dragged
Speaker 1: off the top rope, then she's able to hit her
Speaker 1: finish her in desperation to get the pin, and then
Speaker 1: how she showed sold her shoulder afterwards. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a tremendous, tremendous performance for her, and I think
Speaker 1: it's a great way to get her and carguild together
Speaker 1: and give to meet Jake Cargil the TBS Championship. I
Speaker 1: think that would make the most sense, and it's it's
Speaker 1: a difficult thing to do when you have somebody with
Speaker 1: so little experienced, but when you have people like Deeve
Speaker 1: and Soho and Rosa and people like this, it certainly
Speaker 1: helps to cause exactly. And I really think that putting
Speaker 1: that TBS title on Jade Cargo from a booking standpoint
Speaker 1: makes the most sense. Uh. Obviously, she's very marketable based
Speaker 1: upon her look, her abilities in the ring, and having
Speaker 1: a situation in which you have to champions which are
Speaker 1: viewed as kind of the legitimate top person in that
Speaker 1: division has paid dividends throughout time. You know, look at
Speaker 1: the i w g P Intercontinental title and how it
Speaker 1: held prestige alongside the i w g P title. Look
Speaker 1: at the Noah j C title and the Noah National
Speaker 1: j C Championship or whatever it is, and you know,
Speaker 1: you have Nakajima and Keino with those belts and they're
Speaker 1: going to a sixty minute draw in stardom. You had
Speaker 1: the secondary champion, tam Nkno beat Tommy Hyashida during a
Speaker 1: tournament in which you know you can make the case
Speaker 1: that hyashas run down. Everybody comes after her harder, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't ruin ruin the division. When you have two
Speaker 1: people at the top, and thunder Rosa and Britt Baker
Speaker 1: had that great match, uh the lights out match, right
Speaker 1: or no DQ whatever, it was, the unsanctioned match which
Speaker 1: thunder Rosa one. So she has that legitimate, I legitimate
Speaker 1: win over Britt Baker. Britt Baker of course is the champion,
Speaker 1: Jade Cargo undefeated, and now you have, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a log jam at the top because Jade
Speaker 1: Cargin is gonna beat thunder Rosa. Now you have more
Speaker 1: legitimate title challengers. And if you put Ruby Soho over
Speaker 1: Jade Cargo in the title finals or even over thunder Rosa,
Speaker 1: I think you have a situation where she was the
Speaker 1: To me, she's the most recent big name challenger or
Speaker 1: big match challenger that Burt Baker's had, And there's still
Speaker 1: a little bit of um, you know, the loss is
Speaker 1: still in my mind when it comes to that as
Speaker 1: much as people, you know, and and at least for me,
Speaker 1: as much as I try to stay progressive about wrestling,
Speaker 1: and I've tried to do that more and more, you know,
Speaker 1: over the years, and I just have soltened a lot
Speaker 1: more over more over the years. It's like as much
Speaker 1: as I like g c W, I'm still a traditionalist,
Speaker 1: hard in a lot of ways. And there were a
Speaker 1: lot of people that are complaining about the sixty minute draw,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm sorry, that's that's a part of
Speaker 1: the sport that you're watching. That's part of the entertainment
Speaker 1: that you're watching. And the competition over title belts are
Speaker 1: having a claimant from outside or having a claimant from inside,
Speaker 1: multiple champions. I mean, this is still a sport that
Speaker 1: was rooted inside of a squared circle. It was still
Speaker 1: a sport that's rooted in prize fighting. Why do you
Speaker 1: want to see somebody wrestle somebody. It's either because of
Speaker 1: a personal conflict or we're doing it for money or prestige.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We are either filthy and
Speaker 1: I are going to fight over an issue, or we're
Speaker 1: gonna fight because they're putting a purse up. And this
Speaker 1: is what we do, not what I do, but what
Speaker 1: he does and what those folks over there do. And
Speaker 1: to me, that's always going to be important and always
Speaker 1: going to be something that can be structured and be
Speaker 1: a part of wrestling. Whether other people don't like that
Speaker 1: or not. You might have to move to something else
Speaker 1: the same way we got to move to the break
Speaker 1: here and hopefully for one last try get Greaty to
Speaker 1: Hammer Valentine on this program. Restumes are alive. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show, Mike simper vv here with your wrestlings
Speaker 1: over live, Filthy, Tom Lawler here as well too. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna be here with you tomorrow, so I just
Speaker 1: want to thank you for having a great week here
Speaker 1: on the show, Filthy being here three times, Kevin Gill
Speaker 1: yesterday as well too, or on Wednesday as well too.
Speaker 1: But Filthy, are you are you ready for for Christmas? Here?
Speaker 1: And unfortunately it doesn't seem like we're going to be
Speaker 1: able to get the hammer on the show once again.
Speaker 1: We will will try again for the next time, maybe
Speaker 1: even after a UFC show or something. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: bizarre he just I think he's still stuck in that
Speaker 1: figure four with the hammer jammer and he can't get out.
Speaker 1: The old boy Ronnie Garvin still stick get it to him.
Speaker 1: But we'll see if we can get them for one
Speaker 1: of our future separate Filthy shows or maybe even here
Speaker 1: on Wrestling The Observer Our Live. Who knows, Yeah, possibly
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, but I hope everybody out there
Speaker 1: has got a safe and wonderful holiday coming up here.
Speaker 1: If you've already celebrated Hanaka, we're a salute to that.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Happy Boxing Day, and everything else. Rasha Shanna,
Speaker 1: um Quanza, Kwanza. We got kwanza. What else best? That's
Speaker 1: number one? The airing of the grievances. We didn't do
Speaker 1: that this week. Are happy about that? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: beat me in a feat of strength? Mike? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I tell you what. Josh Briggs mentioned something when
Speaker 1: he was on about eating contests, and that's also something
Speaker 1: that we ought to tackle coming up here real soon. Well,
Speaker 1: just like we tackled the show this week, we will
Speaker 1: undoubtedly be winners and enjoy our holidays. Mike to you,
Speaker 1: Mike to all the listeners out there, Happy holidays, and
Speaker 1: take us home. Sep. We shall talk to you again
Speaker 1: after a while. Yea, you have been listening to the
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