WEBVTT - AEW Recap/Kyle O'Reilly/New Japan

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>you're ready, Let's get it all. Let's get it on.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Semper vv here with you for the next hour

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<v Speaker 1>dot tv or YouTube. Right now, I'd just like to

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<v Speaker 1>say thank you for spending a little bit of time

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<v Speaker 1>with me the same way you have all week long.

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<v Speaker 1>And the first thing I want to do is once

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<v Speaker 1>again thank Kevin gil for yesterday, who was told on

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<v Speaker 1>maybe between fifteen and thirty seconds notice by producer Dom

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<v Speaker 1>that yeah, you're gonna have to jump in here because

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<v Speaker 1>we're having some connection issues. By the way, had nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with me. You will notice that Brian, if

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<v Speaker 1>he was here, would be blaming me hardcore right now

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<v Speaker 1>for that, and he would blame filthy if something happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that that was out of our control. Somehow

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<v Speaker 1>it would become our fault. It was not our fault.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Brian's studio. They caused all the problems, even

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<v Speaker 1>out on the sea. He's got to cause me some

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<v Speaker 1>heartache this week, but that's okay because once again, filthy

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Lawler is back again with me today. So everything

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be wonderful. Everything is going to be fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe, just maybe later on we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get producer Daniel to make the call and get Greg

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<v Speaker 1>the Hammer Valentine onto this very program. But before we

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<v Speaker 1>do that, we have a lot of things we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get into today, not the least of which was

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<v Speaker 1>a W dynamite last night with the happiest, fuzziest, warmest

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<v Speaker 1>memories all given to me as an old Jim Crockett Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Pro wrestling fan from from the mid Atlantic days he were.

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<v Speaker 1>They were in Greensboro last night and had an awesome

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<v Speaker 1>six man main event that certainly warmed my heart. Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>O'Reilly warming a lot of other people's hearts by not

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<v Speaker 1>resigning with n x T and making his debut last

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<v Speaker 1>night and a W. We also have some other news

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Corporal Kirshner has passed away, the former leather Face.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk about that as well as New Japan

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<v Speaker 1>and all Japan joining forces for the Kurrican. So that

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be awesome celebrating the anniversary there uh

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<v Speaker 1>Joshi Festivals starting also going to kick off that weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna kick off everything with Filthy Tom Waller.

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<v Speaker 1>We get back from break Wrestling Observer Live. Come, Come,

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<v Speaker 1>Come Monday, Welcome back to the show. Mike semper VV

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<v Speaker 1>here with your Wrestling Observer Live. You know, we do

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<v Speaker 1>I am at semper vv. The timeline for this show

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasters at Sports Byline USA. Mike co host is at

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<v Speaker 1>Filthy Tom Lawler and if you love pro wrestling at

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<v Speaker 1>mid Atlantic Pod. If Brian Albarez's Twitter is at Brian Alvarez,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe it's very active right now, at least

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it is not. As he continues to spend

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<v Speaker 1>time with his family and as all of you spend

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<v Speaker 1>time with your families during the holidays. Just want to

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<v Speaker 1>say thank you again for for joining us today. And

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta start this off on a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a sad note for anybody who's got a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of age on him, like filthy and I do. And

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<v Speaker 1>remember Corporal Kirshner Michael James Penzel passed away at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of sixty four. It was reported by FMW Archives

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<v Speaker 1>Bow who FMW that Kurshner had passed away. The Lawful

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<v Speaker 1>and Funeral Home in Liberty, North Carolina had also posted

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<v Speaker 1>an obituary. Kirshner started his career in training under verne

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<v Speaker 1>Ganja and first started working in the w w F

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<v Speaker 1>as a prelimb guy. He soon adopted the name Corporal Kirshner,

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<v Speaker 1>which highlighted his legitimate experience as a paratrooper in the

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<v Speaker 1>eight second Airborne. The problem, unfortunately, with that was character wise,

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<v Speaker 1>he was coming in right after Sergeant Slaughter, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why the character was developed because Slaughter had exited stage

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<v Speaker 1>right over fees in issues over the g I. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>deal and whether WWF was going to get a cut

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<v Speaker 1>of that. He ended up leaving going to the a

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<v Speaker 1>w A, the Pro Wrestling USA deal, and when that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody had to take on the Iron Sheet and Nikolai

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<v Speaker 1>Volkoff in the Battle of the USA against everybody, all

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<v Speaker 1>the four and menaces back in the day, and that

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<v Speaker 1>ended up becoming Corporal Kirshner. Probably the high point of

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<v Speaker 1>his career there was defeating Nikolai Volkoff in the Flag

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<v Speaker 1>versus Flag match at WrestleMania two. He was out of

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<v Speaker 1>the company after that, ended up going to New Japan

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<v Speaker 1>for a little bit before he reinvented himself as leather

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<v Speaker 1>Face and became one of the featured outsiders in fm W.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kinda I was never a fan that style

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<v Speaker 1>of wrestling, certainly not back in that day at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And plus that stuff was relatively hard to find unless

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<v Speaker 1>you are a tape trader, which I was not at

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<v Speaker 1>the time either. So it wasn't until a lot later

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<v Speaker 1>on that I got to see some of the sheer

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<v Speaker 1>insanity that would take place, you know, probably because of

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<v Speaker 1>mcfoley and like nine whatever it was when he came

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<v Speaker 1>to ECW and he started, you know, seeing a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more that we saw some of this crazy stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that was going on, and Tom he had a match

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<v Speaker 1>as one of the leather faces against uh oh No

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<v Speaker 1>and and knock a MOCKI and it was the damnedest

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<v Speaker 1>thing I had ever seen. I can still remember seeing

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<v Speaker 1>it for the first time. I'm like, whatever grainy internet

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<v Speaker 1>video footage, I ultimately saw it on of these two

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<v Speaker 1>men power bombing oh No into a bed of nails.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess there's still some debate to this day

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<v Speaker 1>over whether did they shoot on him or not, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the deal was, but they put him on this bed

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<v Speaker 1>of nails. He's jumping on his chest with barbed wire boards.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's the damnedest thing. Did you ever have

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to see Kirshner at all, let alone some

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<v Speaker 1>of these exploits later in his career. Well, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>I had been exposed to him through watching the I

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<v Speaker 1>W A King of the Death matches, Stranglemania, those sort

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<v Speaker 1>of events, But I did not see him during his heyday.

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<v Speaker 1>I did watch the aforementioned match, the match you just

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned against on No and Nakamaki is it um And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be damned if that is not one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most uncomfortable, disgusting, horrific things I have seen in the ring.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've seen the Blood Hunter I've seen that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff live on until uh today's day, and Age

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Wikipedia says you're filthy? Is that true? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like that guy. Sorry, okay, well, leather Face, did I

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<v Speaker 1>throw you off? I'm sorry a little bit. Leatherface was

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<v Speaker 1>the precursor. I guess this sort of stuff like that

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't tell if that was real or fake.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what was going on in that Super

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<v Speaker 1>nail Hell match or whatever it was with Oo Naka Machi.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you said, it's not my cup of tea.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know whose it is. But you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>give props to the guys who are out there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>putting it all on the line, uh, in those types

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<v Speaker 1>of matches for for the fans that like that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>wild as hell. I mean that that is for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the Gilbert's I think it was Eddie Gilbert

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<v Speaker 1>and Doug Gilbert for sure. They they were involved in

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<v Speaker 1>something like that too. And it may have been FMW.

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<v Speaker 1>I means it was always FMW or i w A

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<v Speaker 1>where it was like something insane was gonna happen, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be i w A in Puerto Rico or Japan

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<v Speaker 1>or Mid South like somebody was gonna bleed all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place and things were gonna be uncomfortable. And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember they were involved in something like that too, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was the same way. Where was there a work

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<v Speaker 1>or shoot, they ripped off their masks, they say they

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<v Speaker 1>quit the company, and then they looked like they about

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<v Speaker 1>killed the people that they were working with. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was always absolutely absolute insanity when he comes to that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, unfortunately, you know, this is how I remember

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<v Speaker 1>Corporate Curshner. It is the only other way I remember

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<v Speaker 1>Corporate Curshner was back in the day where I was

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<v Speaker 1>old enough to have the old like l j Endall.

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<v Speaker 1>My son got me a Bruno, uh and I had

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<v Speaker 1>the original one where Corporate Curshner without the beard on,

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<v Speaker 1>just with the pose. You know that that was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much all the l j N poses. They all pretty much,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, looked like this. But uh, yeah, So the

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<v Speaker 1>Corporate Curshner passed away at the age of sixty four

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<v Speaker 1>years old. One of the dumb things that happened was

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<v Speaker 1>I think we had already talked about his death on

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<v Speaker 1>the show a couple of years ago, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>because WWD dot Com reported that he had passed away

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<v Speaker 1>and then he had to tell them, well, no I didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right here, and they ended upting retraction. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that was a couple of years ago. But yeah, oops,

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<v Speaker 1>that's yeah not good. There was like the wrong one

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<v Speaker 1>leg guy that the Johnny A signed, the guy from

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<v Speaker 1>Florida instead of Zack Gwen then Steve Chamberlain, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what the guy's name was, and you know, ended

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<v Speaker 1>up having to one leg guys on the roster. But

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<v Speaker 1>from one side of Japan to another, the more traditional

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<v Speaker 1>side of New Japan and All Japan Pro Wrestling which

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<v Speaker 1>we're thriving. When FMW was was trying to get themselves

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<v Speaker 1>off the ground and do something, and they've both been

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<v Speaker 1>through a lot of ups and downs since then. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be holding a joint show on April

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen to commemorate Kraken Hall's sixtieth birthday. There's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a Joshi festival taking place the day before. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure who's going to be involved there, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to believe that with New Japan being a all

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<v Speaker 1>that stardom will not be and I'm sure there are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be some outline groups that don't want anything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with it, but now would be a great time,

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume, in especially Japanese women's wrestling, to try

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<v Speaker 1>to work together the best you can when things have

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<v Speaker 1>been so lean there and things continue to be lean.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know when how long this next COVID blast

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<v Speaker 1>is going to and how it's going to affect things

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward, but Tokyo Sports is reporting that these shows

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<v Speaker 1>are going to take place on the fifteenth and sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh No cards have been announced, and again, like I said, nobody,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody has been mentioned as far as the Joshi uh

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<v Speaker 1>promotions that will be working out and taking place, but

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<v Speaker 1>New Japan also working with Noah right now with Night

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<v Speaker 1>three of the Russell sixteen the Russell Kingdom sixteen shows

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<v Speaker 1>tom Obviously, there's been some banter about the New Japan

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<v Speaker 1>Noah card in that some people are really upset that

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to get like single style dream matches

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part on those shows, and I understand,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also understand that this maybe step one in

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward to maybe several other shows this year. At

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<v Speaker 1>least that's maybe I'm I'm wish casting that, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of how I looked at that, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>in this case with all Japan, couldn't you go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and actually have some more you know shows with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some more matches with some gravitas, Well, you absolutely could.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's what we're gonna get. I mean, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>you have followed this scene as long as anybody that

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<v Speaker 1>I know or speak to on a regular basis, and

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<v Speaker 1>you never get these big time dream matches that you're

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<v Speaker 1>very rarely due between the promotions. It's usually tag team matches,

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<v Speaker 1>multiman tag matches, and that's exactly what we're gonna get,

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<v Speaker 1>uh in this upcoming you know, third Night of Russell Kingdom. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that leads to singles matches down the road with

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<v Speaker 1>the champions, whether it's Nakajima, Shingo Okada, a mix of

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<v Speaker 1>everybody in there, I don't know. You know, we could

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<v Speaker 1>just go back to the regular role day where it's

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<v Speaker 1>Noah versus Noah, New Japan versus New Japan, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we get. But I'm excited to see either way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to continue on with the show too, because

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't even gotten into a w Dynamite yet with

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<v Speaker 1>the main event that makes old men happy. Restumes are alive,

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<v Speaker 1>come on back on the show, Mike Simber, meet me here, Philipy,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Waller, Rustumes overlive, Griselda. I don't think West sight

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<v Speaker 1>Gun is gonna come on this show, but unlike a

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<v Speaker 1>W we'll actually acknowledge who he is or NXT did

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<v Speaker 1>that too, But I don't watch that show. So I

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<v Speaker 1>also can't answer the question that Tom asked me during

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<v Speaker 1>the break. Isn't Carmelo Hayes Michael Hayes's son, Now, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to think so, well, well, when you watch as

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of w W as me, you sometimes have

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<v Speaker 1>to make up your own storylines. So will you be watching?

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<v Speaker 1>Simply a question? Uh you know, I didn't watch it

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<v Speaker 1>last week once I realized that I didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>cover it on Monday, uh with Brian So uh no,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you why. I probably won't watch it

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<v Speaker 1>because there is a live Dynamite or not lie, but

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<v Speaker 1>a taped Dynamite on Saturday. And actually before that, there

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<v Speaker 1>is the best of New Japan Strong One, which will

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<v Speaker 1>be airing free on YouTube Live I believe at five

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<v Speaker 1>pm Pacific, and uh you know, perhaps there'll be some

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<v Speaker 1>notable wrestlers jumping in the old chat there on YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>for this New Japan Strong Best of premiere. Oh m,

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<v Speaker 1>all of team Filthy or are you going to send

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<v Speaker 1>your minions out there to do your bidding for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Or are you actually going to be in that chat?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't don't do this to the people. Don't tease them

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<v Speaker 1>like this. Don't get them all all excited and ready

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<v Speaker 1>and hot for something and then and then pull it

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<v Speaker 1>back on them. Don't be that kind of heal Tom Lawler, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>the real representatives of the West Side, whether you're packing

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<v Speaker 1>heat or not, the West Side, the West Coast wrecking

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<v Speaker 1>crew will probably be at the gym. And if they're

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<v Speaker 1>not at the gym, they'll be stuffing down some turkey

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<v Speaker 1>to get that protein in Afterwards. Danny Lime lights on

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<v Speaker 1>vacation in Puerto Rico and j R Crados. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that guy's hands can fit on a computer or

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<v Speaker 1>phone and use them properly? I don't think so. Filthy

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<v Speaker 1>Tom will be repente and filthy. The sponsors paid the

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<v Speaker 1>good money. I'll be there in the chat. New Japan

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<v Speaker 1>Strong Best of New Japan Strong on YouTube Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas PM. You gotta ask you, it's gonna be Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna You're gonna have some some sort of beverage

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<v Speaker 1>by your side here because I see that whiskey is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be served at Corkin Hall. That has now

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<v Speaker 1>been decided between Kinnamaru and Yao. How do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>about that decision making. I've been waiting to get my

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<v Speaker 1>hands on Yao for years, and unfortunately, due to this pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. But I actually

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<v Speaker 1>believe if you check an interview on New Japan's website,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I called out Yao for the three King

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<v Speaker 1>of Pro Wrestling either last year or the year before,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is still my goal. So I predict that Yao,

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<v Speaker 1>despite it not being suky that they're drinking in the

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<v Speaker 1>match and it being whiskey, I think Yao is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>pull out the victory somehow. And for those who are

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<v Speaker 1>underway or the unaware, the year end party match between

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<v Speaker 1>Cannamorrow and Yana will be a normal match except for

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that wrestlers are going to be uh here

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<v Speaker 1>this is the quote, forced to drink alcohol at two intervals.

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<v Speaker 1>The referee will then administer a twenty count after the

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<v Speaker 1>shots are taken. Should either competitor not be able to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to the twenty count, they will lose, but pinfall

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<v Speaker 1>submission and disqualification rules still apply. Uh. This sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>the Power Hour in college, which I, assuming that you

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<v Speaker 1>have some experience with, I was more of an Edward

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<v Speaker 1>forty hands guy myself to be fair. Uh do we

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<v Speaker 1>have to explain this to kids? Now? Do they still?

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<v Speaker 1>Cos I don't know what you would be forced to

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<v Speaker 1>do in the game of Edward forty hands is take

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<v Speaker 1>to forty ouch drinks, probably a Slit small liquor or

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<v Speaker 1>mad Dog some sort, saying I believe there were a

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<v Speaker 1>former UFC sponsor at one point. Uh, and you would

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<v Speaker 1>have to tape them around your forearms and hands, and

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<v Speaker 1>you well, you couldn't take the bottles off until you

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<v Speaker 1>were done drinking them, and makes it very hard to urinate. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The goal, of course, is to hold it as long

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<v Speaker 1>as possible and not face the embarrassment of being Edward

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<v Speaker 1>forty hands himself. And Dr Kiltinski went to his went

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<v Speaker 1>to his wedding, stood in and his uh, his rehearsal

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<v Speaker 1>dinner and all the groomsmen. We all had our our

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<v Speaker 1>forty that we were given and I had I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was what was a Camo malt liquor. Was the

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<v Speaker 1>first time I ever had Camo since where I was

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot of sane I's and Colt forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember they had the sixty four ounds private

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<v Speaker 1>stock malt liquor that was the terrible thing, and the

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<v Speaker 1>other malt, at least with Edward forty hands. It did

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<v Speaker 1>force you to drink it even faster, and malt liquor

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<v Speaker 1>out of a sixty four ounces or a forty ounce bottle,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it got like halfway like and that was

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<v Speaker 1>bad enough. Although Steel Reserved. Do you remember that one

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<v Speaker 1>when that came out? I absolutely do remember Steel Reserve?

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, what was the number in the bottle? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked at a liquor store and guys would come

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<v Speaker 1>and say, give me that nine one one, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they meant, because it was like they had a

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<v Speaker 1>seven eleven in the bottle or something like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't care. It was just that they called it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true because if you drank too many you

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<v Speaker 1>need it, you absolutely would. I mean I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I drank one too many last night as I'm watching

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<v Speaker 1>Dynamite and I see people appearing out of left field

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<v Speaker 1>add x T and then I see all the men

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<v Speaker 1>diving off the top turn buckle to the outside in

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<v Speaker 1>the main event. I thought I had drink it too much, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>But I had it. It was just another week on

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<v Speaker 1>a W Dynamite. Now. I'm sure you have cross paths

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<v Speaker 1>with Bobby Fish and Kylo Riley before. I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where. It was like, almost like a different

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime ago when you had done such things there. But Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like I cornered them in a two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen title win against the young Bucks who were in

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<v Speaker 1>the very ring with them. Last night, after Kylo Riley

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<v Speaker 1>made his debut on a W Dynamite in the opening

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<v Speaker 1>segment in a match between Adam Cole and Orange Cassidy,

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<v Speaker 1>a match I enjoyed very much as well as did

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<v Speaker 1>the fans. Had a this is awesome chant going before

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<v Speaker 1>the finish. I thought Orange Cassie looked great. He outwrestled

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<v Speaker 1>Cole early on the Bucks and the best friends brawled

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<v Speaker 1>to the back. The match continued on Orange Cassidy seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>had it in control. Outcomes Bobby Fish, That dastardly Bobby Fish,

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<v Speaker 1>the youngster getting his TV time, only to distract the

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<v Speaker 1>referee so that the violent artist himself, Kylo Riley could

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<v Speaker 1>make his A E W debut. He is now all

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<v Speaker 1>elite and seemingly in coats with Adam Cole and Bobby Fish.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how you call him the youngster. That's like

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<v Speaker 1>a gorilla monsoon calling Carlos Cologne the youngster at the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Rumble that one he when he was out there

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<v Speaker 1>the the well, the well seasoned Bobby Fish out there,

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<v Speaker 1>And I gotta be honest, I I like Orange Cassidy.

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<v Speaker 1>I No, I never have had to bet with Orange Cassidy.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it. I thought it did go on for

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit too long there, even though that's a nitpick,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do have to ask what what exactly was

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<v Speaker 1>he doing at the end uh with the Was that

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a flying body press? What move could

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<v Speaker 1>you have pulled off the top rope with the hands

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<v Speaker 1>in the pockets like that? Was he going for the

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<v Speaker 1>cross body? Or was Blockbuster would have been crazy? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Or Cassie was he was in control of the actually

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<v Speaker 1>went up top, put his hands in his pockets and

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<v Speaker 1>left off the top. It just got his head super

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<v Speaker 1>kicked off before Panama Sunrise. Like, I don't know, Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>people always try to nitpick things in wrestling matches. Ago

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't make any sense. Well, unfortunately or fortunately, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter depending on how you look at it. I've watched

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fights now where people just do stupid

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<v Speaker 1>stuff for no reason. So I'm gonna chalk up whatever

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<v Speaker 1>Orange Cassidy was doing to that. Why did chill saw

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<v Speaker 1>it into a flip over Fador's back? Right? Like what

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<v Speaker 1>is going on in some of these instances? So that

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<v Speaker 1>to me, that was we just chalk that one up

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<v Speaker 1>to a bad strategy, bad tactics on the part of

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<v Speaker 1>Orange Cassidy. Anybody not named Noohico Takata doing a dropkick

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<v Speaker 1>in the match, I'm looking at you, Minoa Man, like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't, don't do that. But I want to take

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<v Speaker 1>it from pillar to post just in case we we

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<v Speaker 1>get two out of line here. We'll fill in the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of these details. But I want to take it

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<v Speaker 1>to the main event right away because this was Greensboro,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I I love this f t R.

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<v Speaker 1>M JF Tully, Blanche Seawan Spears and Wordlow. You would

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<v Speaker 1>have thought, you know, they weren't. Where was Tully anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>But Darby Allen Sting CM punk, I love this and

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<v Speaker 1>I just I love pro wrestling, and every day we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta sit on this show, and I gotta be on

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<v Speaker 1>with Brian, and we gotta knit things. We got to

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<v Speaker 1>look at things with a critical eye. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>have Brian rant and just sap all the life out

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<v Speaker 1>of me. Sometimes when I just don't want to ran,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to ran about Raw, I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to give it any oxygen. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about things to make me happy and matches that make

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<v Speaker 1>me happy, in situations that make me happy, and last

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<v Speaker 1>night was one of those things. Because that was much

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<v Speaker 1>like it Radicals d X against Too Cool, Rakishi and

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<v Speaker 1>mc foley and the Rock match on Raw that took

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<v Speaker 1>place in two thousand, like this was my match of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. This was like my wrestling fan geek happiness,

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<v Speaker 1>like point to a match that it says you know

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<v Speaker 1>you love wrestling for, and this was it for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a really well worked match with six guys

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<v Speaker 1>that I consider stars the best tag team in the

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<v Speaker 1>world by far a guy that was I've watched his

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<v Speaker 1>literally his entire career, uh and watched him grow and

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<v Speaker 1>sting and still be out there come back from an

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<v Speaker 1>injury that people thought he was done with Darby Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>who's might be other than Filthy Tom Lawler the most

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<v Speaker 1>believable person I've I've seen, going as far as making

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<v Speaker 1>things look like they hurt and having the opposition look

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, they hurt them as well too. Alongside

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<v Speaker 1>c him Punk with the great comeback, all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought the spots that took place into it

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<v Speaker 1>were awesome. And again, whether they be great wrestling spots

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<v Speaker 1>or completely cartoonist spots, it just made for a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>match of pro wrestling. But we're gonna get Filthy Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Lawler's thoughts on that match, as well as some of

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<v Speaker 1>the other things that took place on Dynamite and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even Greg the Hammer Valentine if we can we can

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<v Speaker 1>get him on the line, we'll be back Wrestlings over Alive.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez and

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Lawler. This is Wrestling Observer Live. And what we've

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<v Speaker 1>learned during break is that we're going to probably be

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to producer Daniel a lot more when Philthy and

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<v Speaker 1>I host the show, because we may all have some

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<v Speaker 1>some experiences in common and and that's something we'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver to you the people if the FCC would

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<v Speaker 1>allow it. We'll have to work on how that will

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<v Speaker 1>actually come about. But back on the show. E W

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<v Speaker 1>Dynamite last night, Uh, phil v again the main event

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I mean the complete looney tune spot of

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<v Speaker 1>of Punk chasing m JF the through the crowd. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have all of this ridiculous stuff. You have great work,

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<v Speaker 1>you have throwback spots to the past, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>six really good, really good to great workers. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>m j F is again amazing, amazing for his age.

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<v Speaker 1>F TR is so incredibly underrated. Although I think Dax

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<v Speaker 1>Horrorwood has gotten his due this year. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if Wheeler gets enough of his dude. Darby Allen is

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<v Speaker 1>is a crazy man, Punk coming back again, holding up

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<v Speaker 1>to his end of the deal. I just thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was a fantastic match, and again just it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a great, fun pro wrestling match. Yeah, and a great

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<v Speaker 1>way to end the show. There are a lot of

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:46.719
<v Speaker 1>people will will not uh probably or not a Mexican door.

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 1>We got a new dog here. I don't know. Now

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 1>you letting the other dogs train the dog? You know

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying? Can he get what his Can he

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.920
<v Speaker 1>guess what his name is? Mike? Can you guess what

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the new dog's name is? I will say boss Oreo,

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:12.199
<v Speaker 1>get out stop it? Orio. The kid's named Memrio. I

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't even home black and white. We're kind of pin

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>dog pit lab mhm. Anyways, some hard on the lab. Uh.

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 1>There was a Yeah, this is like the greatest hits

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 1>match in the main event for Sting, which is exactly

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>what it should be because going into the holiday season,

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>it's Christmas. Who doesn't want to see the old man

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 1>break out some gifts for the youngsters, and that's exactly

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>what we got here. In the main event, Punk hit

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the GTS on Dax and then uh Staying followed up

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>with the Scorpion death drop. They and Darby Allen hit

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the Damn disc trust Fall Coffin drop halfway across the ring,

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe more, and they picked up the victory. You know,

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>we talked about w W and how they go to

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>commercial break all the time, and the fact of the

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>matter is you need to go to commercial break in

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>this day. Ah have a matchup for long enough. I mean,

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>people go, oh, it could all just be picture and

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't understand how any of this stuff works when

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>it comes to ads, and and you know what people

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.360
<v Speaker 1>expect for their money when they are advertising. But the

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 1>spot where Punk ran and chased m j F throughout

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the building and then they come back down and Darby

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 1>hit I mean again to pay through the ropes on

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>top of everybody, and it was just like the sound

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 1>of it was perfect. Everything about it looked fantastic. And

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.400
<v Speaker 1>then they put a commercial break. It's like, well, I'll

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:53.959
<v Speaker 1>be damn you got me that that was incredible. And

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought that spot, along with Will ended up being

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the scariest spot in the match. I mean, it was

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>going to look great if if it didn't look so

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>damned dangerous. M JF tries to d d T Sting.

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>He does gets up, of course, Sting absolutely no sells it.

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>MGF goes to flee Sting takes the ropes crotches him,

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>m JF gets dragged back into the ring, gets hip

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>tossed over the top rope. Looked like he spiked himself

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 1>right on his head on the concrete, terrifying whether he

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>broke his head, his face, his neck. He looked like

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>he could have been in bad, bad shape. Ended up

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>not being in bad shape at all, at least as

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>far as the match goes. How the swelling, if it's

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>gone down afterwards, I have no idea, but two wild

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>actual spots right there again, a very inventive one and

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>then that that crazy one, the the hip dolls over

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the top. Yeah, and then Sting comes off with a

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 1>plata off the post to the floor right after that.

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>And you have to give the you have to give

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>FTR a lot of credit on that spot because if

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you watch closely, they are the one that essentially saved

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>m JF from you know, crashing head first into the

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>ground with no cushioning. They were able to get their

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>hands up and kind of hold onto him at least

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and and soften the speed of the impact.

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 1>So I think a lot of credit has to go

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>to them to be in you know, in a the

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>right enough spot to save him on that situation because

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>he went flying over the top. I don't know if

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>he was going to do a flip like you do

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>want a hip toss, or if he you know, overshot

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 1>the target, but it was essentially like the undertaker dive

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>over the top. Uh. But he landed, you know, straight

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>on his head and luckily it seems like he's he's okay.

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>So the best of best wishes, uh to m JF

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>in the light of that, it's yeah, it's that was

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>that was terrifying. But Sting you know, comes off the

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>top and you know immediately after that, dude, that's the

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>other things. It was amazing as a sixty year old

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>sting off the top with that that five which pretty

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>much you know again also when I think more towards

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Dax's side there, so it was you know, they protected MGF.

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 1>MJF did get up and you have to kind of

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>like take his word for it as he's getting up,

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>although you know, in that situation as he can cussed whatever,

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>but they made sure that he didn't take the brunt

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>of Sting coming down on top of him either. But again,

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>this is a match that you know should you go

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>out of your way to see it. Yeah. Actually, you

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>know what, if you're a wrestling fan, you just like

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>good old fun. This was a tremendous match. This was

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>led into by Malachi Black and Griff Garrison. Griff Garrison

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>at least has got some you know, cajones well as

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Brian Pillman Jr. Doesn't. He's worried about cancel culture or whatever.

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Griff is worried about defending the honor of his girl

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and doing it in the state of North Carolina, where

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know he was from, but apparently he was

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>from Winston Sale and at his letterman's jacking on and whatnot.

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 1>So he goes out there and then gets, uh, doesn't

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>get murderized by Malachi Black, and in fact gets a

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of good stuff in. And I'm sitting there watching

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that thinking, you know, Malachi Black can make I don't

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>want to say anybody look good, but he's just got

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>so many ways he can work a style. He's such

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 1>a unique look. Again, there's to me so many advantages

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to having a guy like that, And it's always amazed me.

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>The w W E didn't know what to do with him,

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and I guess it doesn't surprise me. But man, did

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>a w gett a winner here? I think, Yeah, I

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>can't remember exactly the quote that I believe it was

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Tory Trevanna used, but he said, when Malachi Black came out,

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>this guy looks like a movie monster or something along

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>those lines. And you know, that's exactly I believe the presentation. Uh,

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's kind of going for and I think

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>that's how he comes off. He comes off like a

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>superstar star caressing star. Yes. And you know, in a way,

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I think the misuse of him by the w W

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>E and the kind of like start and stop push

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of him didn't damage him as badly because there was

0:31:58.000 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times where he just wasn't on TV.

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, it wasn't like he was out there chasing

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>seven title like some of the other guys get pushed

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>down the card into doing and that kind of relegates

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>them to that he would have matches, that he'd be

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>off TV, that he'd come back and get a push,

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and then he'd be off TV again. And I think,

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the fact that there wasn't like a burnout

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>of him losing allowed him to keep a semblance of

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.719
<v Speaker 1>protection around him and around this character, and I think

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it's really paid off. You know, he's a superstar man

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the injury, the advantage in being injured in w w

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>E was they would screw up for a while and

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>then people would forget about you, and then you'd come

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>back and it's like, well yeah, man, like Wade Barrett.

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>It was the greatest example of that, Like, man, they

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 1>haven't gotten it right. But then you go away for

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a while, it's like all right, I know when they

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>bring him back. This dude can he can talk, he

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>can bang, he looks like all those things, and it

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>just wouldn't happen. It just wouldn't happen at all. And

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>then you know he now he's in the n x

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>T as an announcer, which I'm glad the n w A.

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who revived his kind of career that way.

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I guess it was them and then n XD signed him.

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 1>But it's nice to actually hear him because I think

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>he's really good at that too. Yeah. I don't know

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 1>how we got out to Wade Barrett, but I don't

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>know either, but we'll just go ahead and keep rewinding

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>back on the card and the TBS semi files. Rooby

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>so Ruby Soho and her jacket against Nila Rose, and

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>uh like Nila Rose can work really well with almost

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>anybody as far as being able to be a great bass,

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 1>to look like a monster to always battle against, and

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, experience is her obviously the biggest issue, you know,

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and that's only going to come in time, and it's

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>only she's only going to get better working with people

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>like Ruby Soho, and they have a great angle going

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>into I guess it's gonna be hurting Jay Cargo. You know,

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>it's tough for me not to believe that. So you

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>know the deal there of her shoulder and how she

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>sold it and then ultimately getting the victory by having

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to utilize the no future out of nowhere getting dragged

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>off the top rope, then she's able to hit her

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 1>finish her in desperation to get the pin, and then

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>how she showed sold her shoulder afterwards. I thought it

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>was a tremendous, tremendous performance for her, and I think

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a great way to get her and carguild together

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 1>and give to meet Jake Cargil the TBS Championship. I

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>think that would make the most sense, and it's it's

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>a difficult thing to do when you have somebody with

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>so little experienced, but when you have people like Deeve

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and Soho and Rosa and people like this, it certainly

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>helps to cause exactly. And I really think that putting

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that TBS title on Jade Cargo from a booking standpoint

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:43.919
<v Speaker 1>makes the most sense. Uh. Obviously, she's very marketable based

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 1>upon her look, her abilities in the ring, and having

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>a situation in which you have to champions which are

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>viewed as kind of the legitimate top person in that

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>division has paid dividends throughout time. You know, look at

0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the i w g P Intercontinental title and how it

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>held prestige alongside the i w g P title. Look

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>at the Noah j C title and the Noah National

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>j C Championship or whatever it is, and you know,

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>you have Nakajima and Keino with those belts and they're

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>going to a sixty minute draw in stardom. You had

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:29.839
<v Speaker 1>the secondary champion, tam Nkno beat Tommy Hyashida during a

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.399
<v Speaker 1>tournament in which you know you can make the case

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 1>that hyashas run down. Everybody comes after her harder, so

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't ruin ruin the division. When you have two

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>people at the top, and thunder Rosa and Britt Baker

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>had that great match, uh the lights out match, right

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>or no DQ whatever, it was, the unsanctioned match which

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 1>thunder Rosa one. So she has that legitimate, I legitimate

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>win over Britt Baker. Britt Baker of course is the champion,

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Jade Cargo undefeated, and now you have, uh, you know,

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of a log jam at the top because Jade

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Cargin is gonna beat thunder Rosa. Now you have more

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 1>legitimate title challengers. And if you put Ruby Soho over

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Jade Cargo in the title finals or even over thunder Rosa,

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I think you have a situation where she was the

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>To me, she's the most recent big name challenger or

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>big match challenger that Burt Baker's had, And there's still

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:31.320
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of um, you know, the loss is

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>still in my mind when it comes to that as

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 1>much as people, you know, and and at least for me,

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>as much as I try to stay progressive about wrestling,

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and I've tried to do that more and more, you know,

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 1>over the years, and I just have soltened a lot

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>more over more over the years. It's like as much

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>as I like g c W, I'm still a traditionalist,

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>hard in a lot of ways. And there were a

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of people that are complaining about the sixty minute draw,

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, I'm sorry, that's that's a part of

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the sport that you're watching. That's part of the entertainment

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that you're watching. And the competition over title belts are

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>having a claimant from outside or having a claimant from inside,

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>multiple champions. I mean, this is still a sport that

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>was rooted inside of a squared circle. It was still

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a sport that's rooted in prize fighting. Why do you

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>want to see somebody wrestle somebody. It's either because of

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 1>a personal conflict or we're doing it for money or prestige.

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. We are either filthy and

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 1>I are going to fight over an issue, or we're

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna fight because they're putting a purse up. And this

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 1>is what we do, not what I do, but what

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>he does and what those folks over there do. And

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>to me, that's always going to be important and always

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>going to be something that can be structured and be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of wrestling. Whether other people don't like that

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<v Speaker 1>or not. You might have to move to something else

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<v Speaker 1>the same way we got to move to the break

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<v Speaker 1>here and hopefully for one last try get Greaty to

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<v Speaker 1>Hammer Valentine on this program. Restumes are alive. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, Mike simper vv here with your wrestlings

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<v Speaker 1>over live, Filthy, Tom Lawler here as well too. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be here with you tomorrow, so I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to thank you for having a great week here

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, Filthy being here three times, Kevin Gill

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday as well too, or on Wednesday as well too.

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<v Speaker 1>But Filthy, are you are you ready for for Christmas? Here?

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately it doesn't seem like we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get the hammer on the show once again.

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<v Speaker 1>We will will try again for the next time, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even after a UFC show or something. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre he just I think he's still stuck in that

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<v Speaker 1>figure four with the hammer jammer and he can't get out.

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<v Speaker 1>The old boy Ronnie Garvin still stick get it to him.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll see if we can get them for one

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<v Speaker 1>of our future separate Filthy shows or maybe even here

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<v Speaker 1>on Wrestling The Observer Our Live. Who knows, Yeah, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't know, but I hope everybody out there

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<v Speaker 1>has got a safe and wonderful holiday coming up here.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've already celebrated Hanaka, we're a salute to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Merry Christmas, Happy Boxing Day, and everything else. Rasha Shanna,

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<v Speaker 1>um Quanza, Kwanza. We got kwanza. What else best? That's

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<v Speaker 1>number one? The airing of the grievances. We didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>that this week. Are happy about that? Are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>beat me in a feat of strength? Mike? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I tell you what. Josh Briggs mentioned something when

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<v Speaker 1>he was on about eating contests, and that's also something

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<v Speaker 1>that we ought to tackle coming up here real soon. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>just like we tackled the show this week, we will

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<v Speaker 1>undoubtedly be winners and enjoy our holidays. Mike to you,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike to all the listeners out there, Happy holidays, and

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<v Speaker 1>take us home. Sep. We shall talk to you again

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<v Speaker 1>after a while. Yea, you have been listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.