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Speaker 2: Bart? A lot of kids feeding the kids, well not
Speaker 2: the kids, oh man, my bat kids. Tonight, men and women,
Speaker 2: was last night?
Speaker 3: Plans for Thanksgiving? Fellas work.
Speaker 4: I gotta be in the studio.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll be working. I gotta get up in first dake.
Speaker 5: Yeah all right, No rest of the weary baby, no
Speaker 5: rest of the weary Hey.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got we got a CBS game, so I
Speaker 6: gotta I gotta be in the studio.
Speaker 1: Listen, we are blessed to be able to work in
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Don't have too much turkey, though,
Speaker 1: because I don't want either one of you guys falling
Speaker 1: asleep after that trip to fan.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm gonna say I'm gonna eat after after our work.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the big news here. The
Speaker 1: Jets make a quarterback change. Tim Boyle will start in
Speaker 1: the NFL's first ever Black Friday game as the Jets
Speaker 1: resume play against the Miami Dolphins here this weekend. Bart,
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Robert Solad's decision.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it was a once you Once
Speaker 5: you put Tim Boyle in a game, we knew that
Speaker 5: it was. It symbolized a bigger story to the end.
Speaker 5: I thought that when he did get in, the ball
Speaker 5: came out on time. They weren't in sync.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: You think about the hot route with with Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe we can get some of that magic
Speaker 5: that we had last year when we put in veterans
Speaker 5: and just seeing the field ball coming out early.
Speaker 2: Quick decisions, allowing our playmakers to make some play.
Speaker 5: I've been screaming for the Pony package probably for five weeks,
Speaker 5: so much so that you know, they put a whole
Speaker 5: package to me in different suits talking about the Pony package.
Speaker 5: I thought they used it effectively, but then they went
Speaker 5: away from it. I think that's one of the best
Speaker 5: personnel groups, and they have to find a way to
Speaker 5: keep Bruce hal and Dalvin Cook out there. At the
Speaker 5: same time. It's so many things you can do. Double screens,
Speaker 5: you can you know, fake the handoff with the swing
Speaker 5: route behind with the other guy, split backs go behind
Speaker 5: you got will Rows.
Speaker 2: We saw him using effectively last year Micael Carter as
Speaker 2: the lead blocker.
Speaker 5: So many different things you can do out of that
Speaker 5: double screens, chipping on the way out, helping out the tackles.
Speaker 5: So hopefully, you know, now with the with a quarterback
Speaker 5: that's a little bit more veteran, that seems to feel better,
Speaker 5: the timing is better in the offense, maybe we can
Speaker 5: you know, keep pace and try to make sure that
Speaker 5: that defense continues to perform the way it is that
Speaker 5: we can capitalize on that great difference play.
Speaker 3: Dudes, give me the scoutary report on Boyle.
Speaker 1: He's the guy who's bounced around quite a bit, but
Speaker 1: he's got familiarity with the system and the other thing
Speaker 1: that Bart said about getting the ball out quicker. I
Speaker 1: know the Jets have struggled mightily on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball this year, but they're eighteenth in yards
Speaker 1: per play when that ball comes out within two and
Speaker 1: a half seconds. And well, from what I've seen of
Speaker 1: Boil is that he's gonna get rid of the rock.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got an interesting story right started at Yukon,
Speaker 6: then went to Eastern Kentucky. It's just weird because if
Speaker 6: you look at his numbers, you would be like, I mean,
Speaker 6: this guy is the quitt essential story as far as
Speaker 6: never giving up, right, because his touchdown interception ratio was
Speaker 6: always in the negative, but he every time he had
Speaker 6: an opportunity, he took full advantage of it, even when
Speaker 6: he bounced around in the league. You talked about it
Speaker 6: has real familiarity when Nathaniel Hacket from his time in
Speaker 6: Green Bay and Bart alluded to it, Right, the ball
Speaker 6: comes out quick with boy. Right, he's a veteran quarterback,
Speaker 6: knows the system, knows where to go with the football.
Speaker 6: So some of the things that Bart talked about, right,
Speaker 6: not having that continuity with some of the receivers and
Speaker 6: running backs because he hasn't gotten those reps with them.
Speaker 4: So the only thing that kind of sucks is leak
Speaker 4: is a shortened week.
Speaker 6: Right, They play on a Friday game, so you won't
Speaker 6: have as many practice rep reps with those guys.
Speaker 4: To build up that timing and continuity.
Speaker 6: But this is a veteran guy, and to Bar's point,
Speaker 6: hopefully because he has played some football, he's been around
Speaker 6: the block, you know a few times. It's been in
Speaker 6: the system for a few years that maybe the offense
Speaker 6: executes at a higher level. That's what you're hoping when
Speaker 6: you make this play in regards to benching of Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4: Right, when you lose through three.
Speaker 6: Games in a row and the offense has somewhat been
Speaker 6: a kneemic, then you're always looking for quote unquote a spark.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: I really don't like using that word because I feel
Speaker 6: like there has to be a reasoning for something to change, right,
Speaker 6: But ultimately, when the offense has performed how it's performed,
Speaker 6: something is going to change, and ultimately they decide to
Speaker 6: switch up the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: Well, dudes, doesn't like that word, bar, but Ken Boyle
Speaker 1: actually provide a spark.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know, you have to believe
Speaker 2: in something, right.
Speaker 5: So the thing is sometimes when you make a change,
Speaker 5: everybody's going to try and believe in that change, and
Speaker 5: you know, all it takes is a couple of good
Speaker 5: balls to kind of get momentum and belief.
Speaker 2: Right. I felt like the belief was gone. Right.
Speaker 5: We saw this happen throughout the league. We saw Matt
Speaker 5: Canada get fired today simply because it was a loss
Speaker 5: of belief, right, And when you don't believes like It's
Speaker 5: like one of those things. Those who say they can can,
Speaker 5: those who say they can are both usually right. And
Speaker 5: when you believe that you can do something, you have
Speaker 5: them to believe in, and usually that positive momentum kind
Speaker 5: of pushes you forward. Guys are understanding that, hey, we're
Speaker 5: at least the team and the coach in the organization
Speaker 5: if hearing our cries and trying to do something to
Speaker 5: win now with all the things that have happened, right
Speaker 5: and how bad it's been, you're still not that far away,
Speaker 5: right And like the.
Speaker 2: Football guys keep giving you an opportunity.
Speaker 5: Like teams are losing, Buffalo's got a tough schedule going forward.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that the Jets don't, but if they
Speaker 5: can win one of these games, and that's what we're
Speaker 5: talking about, if they could split with one of these team,
Speaker 5: that just puts them in the mix and it gives
Speaker 5: them the opportunity to fight another week and another week.
Speaker 5: We don't know what's going to happen with Cincinnati with
Speaker 5: their tough schedule. We don't know if the maturity of
Speaker 5: the Texans will continue to play.
Speaker 2: And you have an opportunity to.
Speaker 5: Add to that, right and It's funny because the teams
Speaker 5: that people thought were out of it Denver, potentially the
Speaker 5: Raiders in yourself can still be alive if you just
Speaker 5: win a couple of games that you're not supposed to
Speaker 5: win it. We've seen the Jets do that, right, the
Speaker 5: teams and continue to get hurt. Now, the Jets aren't
Speaker 5: the most healthiest, but when you think about on the
Speaker 5: defensive side of the ball, they're still together that way,
Speaker 5: so they can they have a unit that can dominate
Speaker 5: and keep them in the game as other teams are
Speaker 5: losing key players left and right. I mean, you talk
Speaker 5: about that Buffalo Bills, and that's why I was hoping
Speaker 5: that they would put you know, boil in sooner. They
Speaker 5: lost two more of their defensive stars. Those are opportunities, right,
Speaker 5: and it's like the law diminishing returns, and that's happening
Speaker 5: throughout the NFL right now. And the Jets, at least
Speaker 5: the defense side of the unit are still healthy that
Speaker 5: they can play on a play with a mismatch in
Speaker 5: advantage because they have continuity. You talk about all the
Speaker 5: things that the offense don't have. Continuity healthy guys. You know,
Speaker 5: they got back up to the backup. The Jets on
Speaker 5: defense are strong, indeed.
Speaker 1: Dudes, how would you describe Zach Wilson's three years to
Speaker 1: date here in the National Football League? Robert sala He
Speaker 1: was quick to point out that, listen, an unfortunate series
Speaker 1: of events here this year for the Jets and Wilson offensively.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say a bit of a roller coaster, right,
Speaker 6: I mean, go back all the way to twenty twenty
Speaker 6: one at Tennessee Titans game, where you know, he was
Speaker 6: throwing off platform, throwing the ball down the field to
Speaker 6: Corey Davis, probably one of his better performances. And then
Speaker 6: from the fundamental standpoint as far as footwork and being
Speaker 6: able to stay in the pocket and not evade the
Speaker 6: pocket when you don't have to, when pressure really isn't there,
Speaker 6: we saw him struggle in that aspect, right. We saw
Speaker 6: growth and that this year, but then we also saw
Speaker 6: regression in him holding the ball too much, So a
Speaker 6: little bit of a roller coaster up and down. I
Speaker 6: did see growth in him this year in regards to
Speaker 6: making the simple throws, right, that's where he struggled in
Speaker 6: his rookie year. But yeah, it's just been a bit
Speaker 6: of a roller coaster, And this is typical with young players, right.
Speaker 6: I mean everybody was looking at that draft class like
Speaker 6: it was going to be the best thing ever, Right,
Speaker 6: And we've seen Trey Lance already get traded, right, we
Speaker 6: saw justin Fields kind of happened up and up and
Speaker 6: down careers. So, I mean, you just never know what
Speaker 6: ricky quarterbacks coming into the league.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: It's all about being in the right system and do
Speaker 6: they progress correctly in the right way. Do they do
Speaker 6: the little things right, the fundamentals parts of the game,
Speaker 6: the parts that people get bored doing. Do they continue
Speaker 6: to work on those aspects of their game. So when
Speaker 6: you talk about Zach Wilson, I think the best word
Speaker 6: to describe it is a little bit of a roller coaster.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's disappointing from the aspect of you know, I
Speaker 5: would say this is more disappointing than the Sam Donald
Speaker 5: because Sam Donald was coming to a team that didn't
Speaker 5: have talent, right, and this team has a little bit
Speaker 5: more talent.
Speaker 2: But it's a cautionary tail.
Speaker 5: When you think about Trey Lanz, you think about Zach Wilson.
Speaker 5: You know, experience matters, and it doesn't matter where you
Speaker 5: get to experience football or football you talk about guys
Speaker 5: that have struggled wherever you want to go, all the
Speaker 5: way back to Mark Sanchez, who I think is a
Speaker 5: better version of these players when you think about he
Speaker 5: didn't have the experience, but he had the support and
Speaker 5: the support that you have to have with any young
Speaker 5: quarterback is a solid offensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not able to really do that.
Speaker 5: So, like now, what happens is that the fear of
Speaker 5: the physical part of the game. And you know, also
Speaker 5: he wasn't, you know, physically mature. He still hasn't physically
Speaker 5: mature yet. He's going to have to get a little
Speaker 5: bit bigger, a little bit stronger. But the fact that
Speaker 5: they couldn't support him, when you look at all the
Speaker 5: guys that have came in the league and struggled immediately,
Speaker 5: they've gone places where they can't protect. You talk about
Speaker 5: Justin Field, who the guy who can protect himself with
Speaker 5: his legs, and he's a bigger guy, he's still struggling.
Speaker 5: After this season, he'll be on his way out. So
Speaker 5: you'll talk about three guys, you know, within that draft
Speaker 5: that will find themselves probably on new teams next year
Speaker 5: because the lack of protection where Trey Lance just wasn't
Speaker 5: didn't have enough experience, and he ran into a team
Speaker 5: that needed to win a Super Bowl, was ready to
Speaker 5: win a Super Bowl right now, and he got beat
Speaker 5: out by a guy who had a lot of experience
Speaker 5: playing football, and all he had to do is see
Speaker 5: what he was supposed to see and be able to
Speaker 5: anticipate throw. And that's going to be the downfall of
Speaker 5: exact that Zach wants to rein in this league. He
Speaker 5: doesn't want to be like Mitchell Tubisky, doesn't want to
Speaker 5: be like Ponder, doesn't want to be like Josh Rosen.
Speaker 5: He's going to have to learn how to take a
Speaker 5: step back and learn how to process right.
Speaker 2: You can't process at a dial up type.
Speaker 5: Of you know, to beat you have to come up
Speaker 5: like you got five g right, because that's what that
Speaker 5: league is about.
Speaker 2: This league is not about handling the ball off thirty times.
Speaker 5: I don't care who you are. They just don't do that.
Speaker 5: It's about being able to drop back and process a
Speaker 5: lot of moving parts at one time to get the
Speaker 5: ball out the games.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: The Jets are four and six, three game losing streak.
Speaker 1: They've started five different line combinations in the last five games,
Speaker 1: seven different line combinations.
Speaker 3: Overall, in ten games.
Speaker 1: Thirteen different offensive line men have taken snaps for the
Speaker 1: Jets this year, saying, how do you patch it together?
Speaker 3: Here? Like you're talking about it's short week?
Speaker 1: You got Miami who oh, by the way, they're playing
Speaker 1: really good defense, right, Yeah, in South Florida.
Speaker 6: You almost would say that over the last couple of
Speaker 6: weeks that team has actually been led by its defense, right,
Speaker 6: because two in that offense haven't been able to put
Speaker 6: up a boatload of points like they did in the
Speaker 6: beginning of the year when they were dropping seventy versus
Speaker 6: Denver Broncos. So, I mean the axcension and the return
Speaker 6: of Jalen Ramsey has really given them something on that.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: We've seen Jalen Phillips and Chubb on the outside become healthier, right,
Speaker 6: being able to get after the quarterback Christian Wilkins is
Speaker 6: in an a contract year and each playing like it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: So this is what I think Mike McDaniel was thinking
Speaker 6: when he decided to trade for Chubb halfway through the year,
Speaker 6: to trade for Jalen Ramsey in the offseason to pair
Speaker 6: him with Xavier and Howard. So now you have essentially
Speaker 6: what the Jets have, Right. You have two star corners. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you have two star corners that can lock down your
Speaker 6: two top guys. And what they're saying is how explosive
Speaker 6: our offense is. There's no way you can go toe
Speaker 6: to toe with us. If our defense holds you to
Speaker 6: like seventeen to twenty points, you're not gonna beat us.
Speaker 6: And that's been their formula and they've been able to
Speaker 6: do it. And Bart knows this playing linebacker as many
Speaker 6: years as he did in the NFL. If you have
Speaker 6: a team that can just give you like a ten
Speaker 6: point lead, I mean, it makes it so much easier
Speaker 6: on defense, right, because now you can squat on things
Speaker 6: if you're a corner because you got a guy over
Speaker 6: the top and d line, you can really pin your
Speaker 6: ears back and get after the quarterback. So I always say,
Speaker 6: going into the season, and this is before Rogers had
Speaker 6: the injury, I didn't think the biggest threat to the
Speaker 6: Jets was the Bills.
Speaker 4: I thought it was the Miami Dolphins. Right. The thing
Speaker 4: that concerned me about the Dolphins was the debt. Right.
Speaker 6: They have a lot of star power up front, right,
Speaker 6: but their depth they lack debt. But the thing is
Speaker 6: all their star power is getting healthy at the right time.
Speaker 6: And Barton knows this, right around this time, this is
Speaker 6: when you got to be playing your best football, right
Speaker 6: around Thanksgiving and going forward. And that's what the Miami
Speaker 6: Dolphins are doing. Now. Get The offense too, has turned
Speaker 6: the ball over more a little bit lately than we're
Speaker 6: accustomed to him doing. But because of that, defense has
Speaker 6: come to the party, right, they can overcome some of
Speaker 6: those issues.
Speaker 1: Bart We saw the Jets try to go big early
Speaker 1: against the Bills twelve personnel, thirteen personnel with a new quarterback.
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll alter that approach and maybe try
Speaker 1: to spread it out a little bit? I mean, how
Speaker 1: do you attack it in a short term against Miami?
Speaker 5: I mean me, honestly, I would probably go with the
Speaker 5: pony package, and I would take that tight end Rutger,
Speaker 5: who's our best blocker, and I wouldn't put him on
Speaker 5: the end of the line of scrimmage. I would split
Speaker 5: him out and I'll run and I'll run power runs
Speaker 5: out of that that formation, which is typically a light formation,
Speaker 5: but it'd be regular, but it would play as three wides,
Speaker 5: and I would I can do all my powers, my zones,
Speaker 5: my stretches. You know some of their best plays, what's
Speaker 5: the outside stretch play where you got to go get
Speaker 5: it to him, much like edgwm James used to get it.
Speaker 2: Because what happens is if you bring all these big
Speaker 2: bodies in, they're just gonna pack it in.
Speaker 5: They're gonna You're bringing more people to the party, so
Speaker 5: you're closing up all the lanes. Especially if you don't
Speaker 5: have offensive lineman that can win one on one, somebody's.
Speaker 2: Gonna give up something.
Speaker 5: So if I put Brucker out and split him out,
Speaker 5: now somebody or or conference, somebody has to match. And
Speaker 5: if they decide to go out there and that's a linebacker,
Speaker 5: then I have a matchup with the linebacker one on
Speaker 5: one on the safety or on a linebacker the tight end.
Speaker 5: So it gives me opportunities. But also if I do that,
Speaker 5: and I'll release the back and chip them out. Now,
Speaker 5: I got two great guys that can catch the ball
Speaker 5: in space against linebackers, right, So if they decide to
Speaker 5: match with Nickel and Big Nickel and do it that way,
Speaker 5: then we're gonna run the ball down their throat. If
Speaker 5: they decide to come out there and heavy it up
Speaker 5: with their regular base package.
Speaker 2: See what you want to do is you want to
Speaker 2: get teams in.
Speaker 5: Their base package because their base package doesn't have a
Speaker 5: lot of exotic glitzers.
Speaker 2: They have linebacker blitzes.
Speaker 5: It's hard to blitz a safety when you split split
Speaker 5: the tight end out because that's the first thing you see.
Speaker 2: But these are few blitchers off the edge.
Speaker 5: Now you have two lots two running backs on the
Speaker 5: outside that can just chip on their way out or
Speaker 5: pick up the blitterer from the outside. If they bring
Speaker 5: them an inside, you got them scand it. So basically
Speaker 5: it turns into five seven man protections right because you
Speaker 5: have two tailbacks in the backfield, five linemen.
Speaker 2: That's seven men in protection, three men on the rock.
Speaker 2: And then what.
Speaker 5: Happens is as they're fighting in the route and nobody's winning,
Speaker 5: they turn around to become an easy like the Jets
Speaker 5: struggle with the check down the day, Like five five
Speaker 5: yards guy turned a five yard dump because everybody's gonna
Speaker 5: be getting tremendous depth. They turn that into a five
Speaker 5: to ten yard game because you catching me. Now you're
Speaker 5: ask the linebackers to continue to tackle breech haul in
Speaker 5: space and also to tackle gallon cooking space. And if
Speaker 5: one guy misses, everybody especially damn man and man if
Speaker 5: somebody miss it's a rap because you got on both
Speaker 5: sides right. So imagine they both split this way and
Speaker 5: then run what the new England pages is run with
Speaker 5: the gator route where they cross but they come out
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 2: Back of the cross.
Speaker 5: You're running linebackers off and it's but they're chipping their
Speaker 5: way out, so you protect it. So it gives you
Speaker 5: so many different options when you go to that pony package,
Speaker 5: and the people in your pony package are your best players.
Speaker 3: Dudes.
Speaker 1: Boil Is been in the league for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: but he's relatively an experience. You're talking about his fourth
Speaker 1: career start Vic Fangio. What will his game plan be
Speaker 1: against a quarterback who's taken over in a tough situation.
Speaker 3: I mean, bottom line, this is a tough situation.
Speaker 1: Because we talked about the lineups, the personnel up front,
Speaker 1: and the Jets just haven't been able to score and
Speaker 1: third down has been a monster problem for this team
Speaker 1: all of eleven.
Speaker 3: I guess it was somewhat encouraging against the bills.
Speaker 1: The Jets converted four of their five fourth down opportunities.
Speaker 3: But Fangio, what is he going to do?
Speaker 6: Yeah, think about Vangiel, He's like people almost always think
Speaker 6: that he's gonna blitz.
Speaker 4: It's not what he wants to do.
Speaker 6: He wants to let those front four get after you, right,
Speaker 6: And that's why they went and got Jalen Ramsey because
Speaker 6: if you look at it, when he was at Denver, right,
Speaker 6: he had two really good corners there too as well.
Speaker 6: So he wants that front four to get after you.
Speaker 6: That's why they traded for tub Right. That's why Jalen
Speaker 6: Phillips has come to the party as of late.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: That's why you know guys like Zach Zeiler inside, who's
Speaker 6: a really good, underrated player who can rush the passer
Speaker 6: as well. He's gonna put these offensive linemen on the islands, right,
Speaker 6: He'll show that he's gonna listen, then they'll back up
Speaker 6: out of there, right, And he wants to know if
Speaker 6: you got your protection protections down.
Speaker 4: Bart was talking about this earlier.
Speaker 6: I think something that Jets should do is with their
Speaker 6: running backs, they should check inside then swing out. I
Speaker 6: don't think we've done that enough this year in regards
Speaker 6: to protection, right, it's like our running backs are getting
Speaker 6: out of there quick. But we know eric Ea, you
Speaker 6: told us the stats, right, thirteen different linemen have taken
Speaker 6: starting snaps for the Jets, six different.
Speaker 4: Offensive tackles has started that offensive tackle and the interior three.
Speaker 6: There's been seven different players that have swapped out in
Speaker 6: that interior three.
Speaker 4: So as far as.
Speaker 6: Having that continuity and having everybody on a string, they
Speaker 6: just don't really have that because they haven't been able
Speaker 6: to get the reps with the same start and five
Speaker 6: ever this season. So I think was talking about as
Speaker 6: far as the two guys chipping out, right, they should
Speaker 6: check in first, then chip out and get out.
Speaker 4: My thing is protection is the number one thing, right.
Speaker 6: You can't worry about the run back getting out out
Speaker 6: of there so fast to be an outlet to the quarterback.
Speaker 6: If the quarterbacks on his back, it doesn't matter out
Speaker 6: on routes if the quarterback is literally on his back.
Speaker 6: So BIG's not gonna blitz, He's gonna show, right, He's
Speaker 6: gonna show blitz. And then maybe every once in a while,
Speaker 6: I remember he did this earlier in the year, right,
Speaker 6: he showed blitz. But then dropped the end and it
Speaker 6: still was only a four man rust and Rex Ryan
Speaker 6: stuarts all the time, Cad and cohu off the slot
Speaker 6: would come off the edge. So the Jets do need
Speaker 6: to be prepared for that because Vic Vangio, he's real
Speaker 6: strategic in when he does blitz right. He doesn't do
Speaker 6: it often, but he's gonna dial up when you least
Speaker 6: expect it. So the Jets have to be ready for that.
Speaker 6: So I think protecting is more important than getting people
Speaker 6: out on the route because even in zone coverage right,
Speaker 6: if you have time, guys will uncovered. Bart knows this, right.
Speaker 6: We always talk about the scramble drill. Everybody plastering on
Speaker 6: the backside. When we say plaster staying tight to your coverage.
Speaker 6: Eventually guys get dropped if you have a lot of time.
Speaker 6: And the thing is ball has to understand if you're
Speaker 6: throwing anywhere near Ramsey and you lay with the football,
Speaker 6: it's going the other way. He had another pick just
Speaker 6: this pas last weekend right undercutting the end breaking route.
Speaker 6: So you better not be laid on any in breaking
Speaker 6: routes because he's undercutting everything.
Speaker 3: I will go ahead.
Speaker 5: Bark, that's that's why I love the the the the
Speaker 5: split backs because the bats when they're split, they're going
Speaker 5: to be basically right inside the shoulders of the tackles.
Speaker 5: So now what happens. Also you can play with that
Speaker 5: and you can go into eye formation. And really the
Speaker 5: first team that really did this to us was the
Speaker 5: Buffalo Bills because we were blitch a lot. They were
Speaker 5: going to and they were going eye formation and they
Speaker 5: just fake the ball. And they have the two running
Speaker 5: backs that take the d N. So you got two
Speaker 5: on the d N and miss and they can fly
Speaker 5: the entire line, you know, to the right or to
Speaker 5: the left, based on who's who's who needs to help.
Speaker 5: But then that's that that back and still check out
Speaker 5: like Keith Miller used to do for Ben Roethlisberg, he'd
Speaker 5: be blocking, block and blocking. Ben Scrambler can't find nobody
Speaker 5: turn around. You lose people when they're engaged with blocking,
Speaker 5: you lose them. And if you miss your block, you
Speaker 5: just swing it become the automatic.
Speaker 1: All right, a couple things offensively, then I want to
Speaker 1: ask you a couple things about the defense here for
Speaker 1: the Jets, dudes, Breese Hall has been devastating as a
Speaker 1: pass catcher.
Speaker 3: When he gets in the open field.
Speaker 1: Number one is if I'm a defensive back, I don't
Speaker 1: want any part of that. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: those guys who are getting part of that, they are
Speaker 1: going down because he's such a powerful runner man. And
Speaker 1: then something that we talked about actually yesterday, what's the
Speaker 1: counter now? If the Dolphins are playing their squatting routes
Speaker 1: against Garrett Wilson, they got safety help over the top,
Speaker 1: what's the counter? What does Garrett need around him so
Speaker 1: he can get some space.
Speaker 6: They gonna do a lot more bunts formations, right, get
Speaker 6: rub browse, get guys on different levels. And also pre
Speaker 6: snot motion. I mean I remember earlier in the year
Speaker 6: they were motioning them a lot, not as much in
Speaker 6: these last couple of days. You just got to you
Speaker 6: got to motion them just to see what the defense
Speaker 6: is then. And then also I think Alan Lazard has
Speaker 6: to come to the party.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: If guys are sitting on routes, Bart, you know the slugs, right,
Speaker 6: we need to run double moves. I was screaming it
Speaker 6: at the top of my lungs during a Buffalo game.
Speaker 6: I'm like, they are sitting on hitches, stop routes and
Speaker 6: comeback routes the whole game because they had no respect
Speaker 6: of us throwing the ball down the field. Well, Bart,
Speaker 6: the way to get out of that is you hit
Speaker 6: a dB with a double move and that will break
Speaker 6: them up out of that. So I think that needs
Speaker 6: to be done this week in regards to getting boiled
Speaker 6: some easy throws. If you got to put Garret Wilson
Speaker 6: in some bunch sets, that way, you could push guys
Speaker 6: up and run him underneath, even if they do have
Speaker 6: a bracket up under him. Garrett Wilson has proven to
Speaker 6: be able to run away from the first guy, run
Speaker 6: him on some drag routes underneath.
Speaker 4: That way, Bull House easy outlet to go to.
Speaker 6: There was a play that I think Tony Romo broke
Speaker 6: down during the game where they pushed the two receivers
Speaker 6: up and they brought Xavier Gibson underneath. Right, They need
Speaker 6: to do some of that with Garrett Wilson. That way
Speaker 6: he can be a run and catch guy as well.
Speaker 6: And you talked about it, EA, I think that Breese
Speaker 6: Hall should get at least five or six targets out
Speaker 6: of the backfield the game. I mean, even if you
Speaker 6: split him out and they brought him on some drag
Speaker 6: route things. I like what Bart talked about the two
Speaker 6: back sets that could also be beneficial to the New
Speaker 6: York Jets. But I think Breecee Hall in the open
Speaker 6: field you talked about it. Linebackers don't want no part
Speaker 6: of that, and for sure DBS don't want any problems
Speaker 6: with that. Like you said, every time somebody made contact
Speaker 6: with him, they were down on the ground. Again, we're
Speaker 6: not saying we're enjoying injuries out there, but that's the
Speaker 6: physical nature of Breeze Hall. He just has to be
Speaker 6: a little bit more consistent in catching the ball. He's
Speaker 6: had a few drops the last couple of weeks, but
Speaker 6: they definitely got to get him the ball in the
Speaker 6: air out of the backfield.
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Speaker 1: Dudes, I wanted to ask you about the defense. Jets
Speaker 1: defense has been so good throughout the year. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: Bills laying at some paunches against them, and that was
Speaker 1: the first time I really saw the Jets defense in
Speaker 1: that kind of position.
Speaker 3: Are you worried about that?
Speaker 1: Not from the sense of physically what they're going to
Speaker 1: bring to the table, but the wear and tearror This
Speaker 1: is taken on them mentally because they haven't got to
Speaker 1: support elsewhere throughout the year.
Speaker 6: And that was the perfect word to use, thea mentally,
Speaker 6: right Bart We know this human nature is human nature,
Speaker 6: and at the end of the day, you do get frustrated,
Speaker 6: but you have to realize you have a job to
Speaker 6: do and you have to understand what the standard is
Speaker 6: like no matter what's going on the other side. And
Speaker 6: this isn't just ball speak or coach speak. Right If
Speaker 6: you want to be labeled as the top defense in football.
Speaker 6: Your job is if you have a blade of grass
Speaker 6: to protect, go out there and protect it. So Bart,
Speaker 6: you know this playing as long as we've played like,
Speaker 6: there's certain situations and the Dets have always been the
Speaker 6: tories for being a really good defensive team where you're
Speaker 6: not getting as much support on the other side, and
Speaker 6: what do guys do, Bart, They start reeling, right, they
Speaker 6: start trying to make plays that aren't plays to be made.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: You see guys trying to jump routes when they're not
Speaker 4: supposed to jump routes.
Speaker 6: We always had I think DT would always say make
Speaker 6: sure you always secure that back on before going at
Speaker 6: the ball, especially if you don't know you for sure
Speaker 6: can get the interception right. We saw that a few times.
Speaker 6: We saw with Brandon Echols, we saw with Saws Goner.
Speaker 4: And you get it right because you feel like you got.
Speaker 6: To go make a play to change things around. But
Speaker 6: when it's your time to make a play, just make
Speaker 6: the play that's required of you, right, don't live outside yourself.
Speaker 6: And again it's easier said than done. To your point, EA,
Speaker 6: when you feel like you're not getting the support on
Speaker 6: the other side of the ball, You're like, I gotta
Speaker 6: create a spark, right, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: just do your job and a play will come to
Speaker 6: you when you're supposed to make it. Perfect example, Josh
Speaker 6: Josh Allen and Josh Allen fashion almost threw one to
Speaker 6: us earlier in the game.
Speaker 4: When that comes to you, I believe on the out
Speaker 4: route to the left.
Speaker 6: You got to make those plays, right, And we also
Speaker 6: had I believe a strip and we didn't get the fumble. Like,
Speaker 6: those are the plays that we have to routinely make
Speaker 6: to turn things around in the game, right. So like
Speaker 6: the plays where you're trying to live outside yourself and
Speaker 6: try to make a Pro Bowl or all Pro play,
Speaker 6: you don't need to do that because those turn into
Speaker 6: exposive plays if you miss it.
Speaker 4: And that's what happened with the.
Speaker 1: Jetspar How difficult is that mental battle because the first
Speaker 1: play this game is a turnover and the Jets defense
Speaker 1: is on the field. The first Bill's possession fellas four
Speaker 1: plays minus nine yards. Quinn Williams comes up with a sack,
Speaker 1: and they played so well in the red zone early
Speaker 1: and then was like the damn finally broke in that
Speaker 1: second half.
Speaker 5: Well, the big issue is they're finally starting to miss
Speaker 5: al Woods. You know, they they're trying to get cute
Speaker 5: with the NASCAR package and they put Jermaine Johnson over there,
Speaker 5: and teams are just saying, Okay, we see this guy
Speaker 5: standing up at six ' five and I have a
Speaker 5: guard and he's standing up moving around. I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: have my guard fire off because he's gonna get to
Speaker 5: his chest. He won't be able to anchor and we
Speaker 5: can hit you. Either hand the ball off there or
Speaker 5: we do a quarterback draw. That's pretty much.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: They won't do that with two a tongue by low,
Speaker 5: but that's that's been an automatic check because that's a
Speaker 5: bandaged offense. No matter how good Jermaine Johnson is, he's
Speaker 5: not a guy that's built to be in there anchoring.
Speaker 5: So sometimes they're catching the Jets off guard because they
Speaker 5: do it with huff sometimes, who isn't a bigger guy.
Speaker 5: And listen, whenever a three hundred and twenty pound duke
Speaker 5: can roll off and you're standing up giving him your
Speaker 5: chest and your stern, they're going to do that.
Speaker 2: So they have to self scout and understand If you're
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 5: Do that, you better have a linebacker back there sitting
Speaker 5: in that gap ready to fire and come down hill
Speaker 5: because it's gonna be a quick hitting play.
Speaker 2: You got to those gaps up.
Speaker 6: Or also I would I would I like to change
Speaker 6: up and putting JFM in there and having him stand
Speaker 6: up and be the spinner guy, which I think to
Speaker 6: your point, Bart, you got to start mixing some of
Speaker 6: that things up because teams, like you said, are scouting, right,
Speaker 6: they they self scout, They scout what the Jets are doing,
Speaker 6: and they understand that Jermaine is setting up in there.
Speaker 4: This is a pass down. But if it's third and five.
Speaker 6: You know what, we maybe could hit a quarterback draw
Speaker 6: here and get a first down three five yards because
Speaker 6: we feel like with our guard, yeah, our guard, he's
Speaker 6: gonna knock Jermaine off the ball. And then especially if
Speaker 6: it's a scoop block, with a guard and tackle of
Speaker 6: working together, they can work to that linebacker that's off
Speaker 6: the ball, we can get an easy five year. So
Speaker 6: I think even moving JFM into that spinner package and
Speaker 6: having him stand up, I think that could be a
Speaker 6: nice little change up.
Speaker 1: What gives this week Tyreek Hill. He gets his against anybody.
Speaker 1: But with that being said, Saws, Gardner and DJ Reid
Speaker 1: have been outstanding this year. I mean, I'm watching that
Speaker 1: game in the first half, and yeah, Digg's finish was
Speaker 1: with about.
Speaker 3: Four catches but less than thirty yards receive it.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if Gave Davis played Fellas nothing against.
Speaker 4: Go ahead Bert.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, they're playing at a high level.
Speaker 5: You talk about the one mental laps and then you
Speaker 5: believe it was covered three and it should have been
Speaker 5: a white head down there and Saus try to come
Speaker 5: over and kind of save the day. You know, I
Speaker 5: understand it's gonna come down to those communications late in
Speaker 5: the game because teams are always gonna take their shots,
Speaker 5: especially a team like the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have about one or two shots called, you know,
Speaker 2: a quarter.
Speaker 5: So you gotta deal with eight shots, and you got
Speaker 5: to make sure that you communicate because if you try
Speaker 5: and double Tyreek Hill, you better make sure you put
Speaker 5: hands on him at the line of scrimmage because if
Speaker 5: you play off and let him a good opportunity to run.
Speaker 5: We've seen him split double team until put it up
Speaker 5: there and he runs and go get it, and you
Speaker 5: know you think you're gonna be flat footed if your
Speaker 5: white hand or somebody like that, that's not gonna work.
Speaker 5: You got to put hands on him and have help
Speaker 5: over the top. That means you got to stop stop
Speaker 5: the run with a light box, no eight hand, But
Speaker 5: that also means that you know Mustard, you know can
Speaker 5: they're going to have the advantage. And you know when
Speaker 5: you're you're trying to start with a six man box,
Speaker 5: you know you need your guy to be a player
Speaker 5: and a half. They can't just be one player. It's
Speaker 5: got to be a player in a half. Somebody has
Speaker 5: to win. You can't get up the field because it's
Speaker 5: going to create lanes. You got to make sure that
Speaker 5: you sit on the two gap, and you gotta understand
Speaker 5: you'll get the tour when you can't but moost people
Speaker 5: that are beaten to it. Has been able to keep
Speaker 5: him inside of the of the pocket. He's not a
Speaker 5: guy that can buy time for itself. And if the
Speaker 5: play is off timing, he doesn't know where to go
Speaker 5: with the football.
Speaker 2: He usually takes the sack, so you get sacks. Now
Speaker 2: with covered.
Speaker 5: Sacks, you're trying to get up the lang him opportunity
Speaker 5: to step up and get him a vision. Remember he's
Speaker 5: a shorter quarterback. He needs lanes to throw to as
Speaker 5: well through as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you look at our dvs more specifically
Speaker 6: saw in Dj Reed, they I've been playing at Pro
Speaker 6: Bowl level. You talked about Gave Davis and Stefan Diggs
Speaker 6: not really having a day.
Speaker 4: I think we really miss Michael Carter.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, secure Khalil's secure had a really
Speaker 6: big game against the but all of that, most of
Speaker 6: that happened on a one seventy plus yard catch and
Speaker 6: Bark alluded to that play earlier. Now you get you
Speaker 6: know Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Wattle coming into town, and
Speaker 6: you know this bar anytime as a dB, as a
Speaker 6: D line, as a linebacker, if there's a guy on
Speaker 6: the opposite side that has a name and people have
Speaker 6: been talking about him all week long, you want to
Speaker 6: stand up for the challenge, right. So I guarantee that
Speaker 6: Dj Reed and Salt Garner are looking for this challenge.
Speaker 6: And bar you talked about the shots down the field
Speaker 6: with Tyreek Hill. Sometimes it's not even the shots down
Speaker 6: the field. It's as simple in breaking routes. If you
Speaker 6: don't take the air out of Tyreek Hill in zone coverage.
Speaker 4: He will run past you. We saw him do it
Speaker 4: versus Raiders this last week.
Speaker 6: They were in a simple cover two and he ran
Speaker 6: past four dbs and scored a touchdown.
Speaker 4: So you got to take the air out of that.
Speaker 6: You got to condense some of that, and like you said,
Speaker 6: you got to be physical with him at the line
Speaker 6: of scrimmage just to throw off that timing. The thing
Speaker 6: about too with tongue of baaloa. He's accurate, right, but
Speaker 6: he throws with so much anticipation. But you have to
Speaker 6: throw off that timing by disrupting the receivers at the
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage. So we know in a game like
Speaker 6: this the Jets will have a plan for Tyree QB.
Speaker 6: The guy that you need to circle is Jalen Wattle, right,
Speaker 6: because he can be a game breaker as well with
Speaker 6: the speed he has. We'll see if a Chaine is
Speaker 6: able to go. I know they took him out of
Speaker 6: the game for precautionary issues. Supposedly, we'll see how heard
Speaker 6: he is. But Raheem Mostrid is a viable back that
Speaker 6: has speed as well and runs very physical. So we
Speaker 6: know that the Jets have been creased the last couple
Speaker 6: of weeks a little bit in the run game.
Speaker 4: They got to come to the party.
Speaker 6: As far as like Bart talks about having a light box,
Speaker 6: the big boys up front got to come to the
Speaker 6: party this week.
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Speaker 1: and subscribe as well. Let's out here, fellas. Happy Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: to you in your respect to families. But for the Jets,
Speaker 1: this I believe will be their sixteenth quarterback in fifteen
Speaker 1: years to be starting a game here Friday against the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. But if you're Tim boyle Man, this is
Speaker 1: every kid's dream, isn't it? Playing Thanksgiving? I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a fourth career start. But listen, when we were
Speaker 1: in the backyard playing, or Bart was playing in Detroit
Speaker 1: growing up, playing in that big Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Game.
Speaker 1: As far as your friends and families concerned, this is
Speaker 1: what we all talked about.
Speaker 3: This is what we all dreamed of playing on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5: This is more special. This is an inaugural game. This
Speaker 5: has never happened before. He'll be a question on some
Speaker 5: sports show, who was the first person who's the first
Speaker 5: two quarterbacks started.
Speaker 2: Black Friday game. So this is a way to be immortalized.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, not putting limitation on Tim Boyle,
Speaker 5: but I don't think he's going to be a Hall
Speaker 5: of Famer, But you know, this is some way where
Speaker 5: he can be mortalized and be remembered in his game,
Speaker 5: especially if he plays well and he's the winning he's
Speaker 5: the winning quarterback.
Speaker 2: Nobody remembers the losers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in regards to Tim Boyle playing in this game,
Speaker 6: we saw how this team last year when Mike White
Speaker 6: came in, how they really galvanized on him. He has
Speaker 6: that opportunity to really have the team buy into him
Speaker 6: being the guy going forward.
Speaker 4: Right, And Ea, you talked about it.
Speaker 6: It's one game at a time, but even throughout what
Speaker 6: the Jets have been through, they're still in the thick
Speaker 6: of this thing, right, So you have an opportunity to
Speaker 6: vision foe if you're Tim Boyle, I mean for most
Speaker 6: of your career. We talked about it earlier, Right, it's
Speaker 6: had a negative touchdown the interception ratio.
Speaker 4: I mean, we know he has the big arm. Just
Speaker 4: go out there and let it lose, man.
Speaker 6: I mean this is an opportunity that who knows if
Speaker 6: you'll get another one like this, right, EA, to go
Speaker 6: out there, play loose.
Speaker 4: Literally all the.
Speaker 6: Pressures on the Miami Dolphins, right because now they're trying
Speaker 6: to keep pace with the Ravens and the Chiefs in
Speaker 6: regards to try to get it one seat, especially with
Speaker 6: the Chiefs losing last night.
Speaker 4: If you're tim boil like, they have all the pressure
Speaker 4: right they.
Speaker 6: Have to make the plays. Just go out there. I'm
Speaker 6: not saying live outside yourself. Don't be timid either. Just
Speaker 6: go out there and cut it loose.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's right.
Speaker 1: In Black Friday, Jet's going to be an all black
Speaker 1: so they will look sure up against
Speaker 3: The Dolphins, all right, fellas great stuff,