WEBVTT - Live from Planet Hollywood with Brett Young 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.400 This is How Men Think with Brooks Like and Gavin 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.440 to grab and I heard radio podcast. Welcome to How 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.200 Men Think Podcast. My name is Brooks Like. Coming to 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:18.240 you live. Yes we are. We are in Las Vegas. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.119 That's where our whole budget went. We haven't been paid 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.560 for this show. Yeah that's right. I spent the whole 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.680 budget on this sweet here in planet Hollywood. It is sweet. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.640 It is sweet. Is my buddy Mr Gavin to be here? Baby? Yeah? 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.720 Come on, this is your town, This is my town. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:38.159 You everywhere we walk, everybody's like Covin Kevin. No, they're saying, Gavin, 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.520 get out of the way. Hey Brooks, what are you doing? 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:46.199 But you have a place here. Yeah, I've actually my 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.360 my thoughts on this town have changed just listening to 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.280 you talk about it, because you come here and you 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.800 think it's got such a connotation of entertainment and industry, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.280 that kind of stuff, um, wildlife. But you actually find 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.920 a different meaning in this town. Um, you have a 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.200 place here and come here, and then so I change 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.880 your mind a little bit. You know what they call 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:11.120 that what manipulation? I call that friendship? You call it that. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.800 Some would say you are the modern day Elvis is that? 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.800 What is that what they call you? Gav? I gonna 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:20.560 start calling you that from now and for sure you 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.920 can sing? No, no, you can. You've practiced in an 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.800 Elvis voice. These hips fly? What about Sinatra? Can you 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.039 sing Sinatra? Can you sing it tonight? Yes? Are we 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.920 gonna do karaoke tonight? No? Yes, let's do it. No. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.280 I told you I'm not doing karaoke with a rock star. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.679 It doesn't make sense. You are a rock star. So 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.160 we got Rick and Dmitri here with us. Dmitri, you 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.360 are a rock star yourself, not to the legitimate sense 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.280 that Gavin is. I'm not gonna like follow him on stage. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.280 Do you want to do Islands in the Stream. I'll 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:58.160 do Islands in the Stream? I guess we're doing karaoke? Yeah, alright, 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.559 in case you guys can making me a butter cup. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.200 You guys can't hear Gavin right now. He's eating peanut 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.240 butter cups, not talking into his mic peanut butter cups. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.840 Those are the bad reviews we get on Apple on iTunes, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.000 as were like, we can't hear the one guy, Gavin. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.360 Haven't heard all these marble mouth recordings right now? Hitting 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:20.200 the top oh man, we are in Vegas, just modernizing 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.920 our podcast. Yeah. I love it that we're in Vegas. 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.040 And it's kind of funny because, like Rick, I think 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:26.640 didn't get the memo that we were coming to Vegas. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.880 Because he's got pants on, he's got a T shirt, 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:34.600 he's got like a Chanel's sweater. I'm a little chilly. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.600 I mean I planned ahead. I knew everything was going 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.480 to be in air condishing where we were going. Are 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.840 you going to like after this? Is that why you 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.280 have a nice sweater? A couple of yes, you do 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.400 look you do look trendy though, Rick, thank you. I 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.280 want to say all you guys looked tan too to 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:56.080 meet the other. To me, I think I'm just I'm 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.120 just Greek. I'm just naturally this color. You're from Canada. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:05.160 You I don't know what you're hurt. You're like my pastiness. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.359 You're from You're from New York. I look like a 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:12.480 bottle of Elmer's glue. You put on an orange hat. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.280 You look exactly like. Let's get an orange hat. He's 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.839 got a blue one on right now. If he eats 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.320 any more of those beauty is. If I go to 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.360 the pool, everyone around me gets more tanned. There you go. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.640 You're you're so kind. You're the type of person by 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.760 the pool that like moms would come over and apply 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.200 sunscreen to you because they would feel badly because like 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.720 he is going to burn that man soul has left 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.880 his body. Oh buddy, you're too hard on yourself. I 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.080 heard a rumor though, gav uh Well, Rick and Dmitri 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.880 and I and Ryan, we all heard a rumor. Did 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.440 you're not staying at the hotel with us? I'm not 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:52.800 because I have a house here. Oh I heard that rumor, 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.360 but I was I thought it was false because I 0:03:55.400 --> 0:04:00.680 haven't been invited. You're you're didn't know. I mean, it's 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.960 not like a house house. It's like you know, it's 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.640 like a hotel room that I keep here at another hotel, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:11.960 a different one from where you guys are. Intentionally, it's weird. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:16.680 The address is called MGM grand Is it there is 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:22.000 in one of the casinos? No? No, yeah, yeah, you 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.720 know it damn well should be? Do you have a 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:28.159 driveway I live in Ah? You know, it's like a hotel. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.440 And because I I don't. You don't like too good, 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.560 you don't like clean, worse landscaping. I don't like to. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.040 I don't like doing that kind of work. You like 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.359 turn key, I like turn key, gotcha? I like room service. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.680 You know, listen, I could cook for me and nearly 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.640 kill myself and everyone who lives in my building because 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.919 I'll burn the place down. Or I could, you know, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.720 take out or go to a restaurant or whatever like that. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.960 You know, I like to like I like hotel living. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.599 Hotel living is nice, but is there is there like 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.240 a little you know, cocktail get together at your place 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.880 before we go out or something. If you bring over 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.040 some cocktails that idea. Well we might as well just 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:11.400 stay in the casino, but we have to bring our 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.560 own cocktails. I don't think you're gonna be overwhelmed with 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.120 my place. It's a very simple. It's just a gesture. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.200 It's the gesture. You guys are welcome to come over 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:27.279 and clean my house. See it's the gesture. Alright. He's 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.400 downplaying it. He's like, I have a small room and 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.680 I bet you he lives next to copperfield and a 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:37.080 spread spread with lions and fire, and you name it. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:42.040 You're driving the gate and fire goes off, Big model, man, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.200 you should have done something else for a living. His 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.640 doorbell is like Donka Chane or whatever. That song is 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:53.120 Gavin's home and greets you at Gavin's house. He's right 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.200 back here. Yeah, it's not even a door. You press 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:02.200 the button and Wayne Newton starts singing live. You guys 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.919 are looking fresh today after I have a little little, 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.120 you know, a little slow today. But hey, that's all right. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.080 I had a great time last night and I'm excited. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.680 How much coffee did you have? I had like fourteen cups. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:18.680 I think didn't help. Right now, we're at the I 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.920 Heart Radio Festival. So we watched some mats last night. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.560 We watched some music. We had a great time. Watch 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.520 Whodi and the Blowfish. That was fun. Here's the problem 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.320 with that. I was like, I'm kind of excited to 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:29.920 see who do you in the Blowfish? And Brooks was 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.360 like me too, and I was like, yeah, there's something 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.920 nostalgic about it. He's like absolutely. I was like, man, 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.520 it reminds me of that a summer during college. He goes, oh, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:37.920 I was in the sixth grade, and I was like, 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.560 you know what, it might even it might it might 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.440 have even been grade four, but man, there, Darius crushed 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.400 it last night. He was awesome. Yeah. So we also 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:54.400 have another very esteemed guest on this show. Yes we do, Yes, 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.400 we do. Real well before we let you introduce him. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.480 This is a friend of the show and and he 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:06.479 is an athlete turned music superstar. That's right. Gives me hope. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.719 I'm really excited to ask this. Okay, that's you know 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.800 you're going to be a supert. I'm in a pivotal 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.800 I heard you singing hold my hand last night. You're 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:22.480 not not that's not happening. Well maybe, Um, he has 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.760 five number one hits and he's only put out five songs. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.400 And he's only put out five songs. But I'll let 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.160 you introduce this big hands. Yes I will, Yes, I will. Alright, guys, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.480 So I've been known this guy for a number of years. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.440 Number of years you met, you know, kind of by happenstance, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.840 became buddies, and uh, since then, he's become a big 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.600 superstar in the country world. But I think not just 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.840 a country world. Soon, I think it'll be bigger than 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.040 only the country world. Very very talented and awesome guy, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.360 My good friend Mr Brett Young. Ye give it up, Thandy. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:05.840 We didn't meet by happenstance. I stalked you. It's safe, 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.200 my fan girl, do you real hard for a real 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.920 long time. So let's get into this. I haven't heard 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.840 I've heard that you were you were a big fan 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.680 of his music, but I heard you guys had a 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:21.280 really interesting meeting, like just a happened chance. Yeah we 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:26.360 did what He played the Greek theater, yeah, in Los Angeles, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.240 and uh, I had brought like my cousins and stuff, 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.280 and and Gavin does something like I don't want to 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:32.560 call you out for this, but you do something that 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.199 I think is pretty cool, Like when you can slip 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.840 out and listen to your openers, you do like you'll go, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.600 you'll go find a pocket where you feel like it's 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.280 a good idea to go out there. And you and 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.880 you were doing that, uh that night, And who's the 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.200 ukulearly guy from Hawaii Jake something? Oh, I think I 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.120 know who you're talking about. Think my wife Liv's fantastic. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.920 But Gavin's nuck out to like listen to this dude play. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.360 And I'm walking in with my two younger female cousins 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.440 and I was like, oh, I gotta you gotta meet Gavin. Meanwhile, 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.920 I haven't met you. And I walked them over and 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.160 I give them the moment and I'm walking away going 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.160 like I've worn out three of his records. How did 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.200 I just give away this moment? I'm the bigger fan. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.800 So fast forward end of the night. It was a 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.240 great show. And uh, I was living in l A. 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.000 We were at Mels Diner on sunset three am, like 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.079 you do, and this guy comes walking down Sunset. I 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.000 think he would just left, but out the front door 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.160 and you're walking down Sunset and I just flagged you 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.640 down and I was like, but I probably it was 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.120 probably like pretty obnoxious because I think I yelled at 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.240 you and said I quit my job to pursue music 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.400 because of you. Did you? Did you really say? It 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.120 was something along the yah. He was like on a 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:40.520 phone call too, and he was like, I'm gonna have 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.520 to call you back. Knowing Gavin, now, I'm surprised he 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.040 didn't like come at me feeling threatened, like ready to 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.319 throw blows because I'm screaming at at three o'clock in 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.000 the morning in l A. He probably thought the money, 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.320 let me let me get it, let me hold a dollar. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.560 But uh, but yeah, he got off the phone, and 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.640 he actually I said, I'm about to make my first EP, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.600 and he just lit right into twenty minutes of advice 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.280 and and twenty minutes he didn't have to give me 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.640 at three o'clock in the morning. And if you couldn't 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.000 be more of a fan than you already were, uh, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.920 and I think it just turned into you know, next 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.720 thing I know, I'm out in Hawaii to see you 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.120 two and Green Day and Pearl Jam at the Aloha Bowl. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.320 And it turns out he's playing. Gavin's playing uh the 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.679 Waikiki show the same weekend, So I actually snuck into 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.480 his sound check, and next thing you know, we're running 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.560 into each other at his show. He's not good at 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:35.800 sneaking in because because he's in board shorts with my 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.640 shirt off at noon, sitting in the front row sound check. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.679 We made it, by the way to get kicked out 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.120 of that. But sitting next to this guy, I feel 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:44.880 like it's like a father's sun shot. He's so much 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.720 bigger than me. I'm just sitting on this guy like 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:52.000 feet are dangling off the couch except your bald But 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.959 he's sorry, come on, don't put yourself in the dangling 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.920 feet category. They're touching the ground a whole different ground. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.600 So hold on, you said, you said you quit your job. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.120 This is good. It was a really good job. I was. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.880 I was. I was waiting tables at the restaurant in 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.640 the Hyatt in Century City, so I was really on 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:18.120 my way. But before that, you were. The height served 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:23.480 you very well in baseball. Yeah, Baseball was um, it 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.280 was something I thought. I'm not even thought. We were 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.280 sure that was going to be my life from the 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.760 time you're a kid. Yeah, I think. You know, baseball, basketball, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.160 and football were part of the story all the way 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.080 up until high school. But when you started getting to 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.360 that level where you you were competitive at all of them, 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:39.760 you have to pick which one that might be a 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.360 future in a financial future, and it was definitely baseball. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.880 And I don't I love baseball, but of the three, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.040 it was probably my my second favorite. I like basketball more, 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.120 but I was throwing ninety miles an hour in high school, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.280 so on a team that was ranked seventeen in the country, 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.760 so that would just it just seemed like that was 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.719 the obvious thing. And then we got called by the 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:06.120 Twin and the Devil Rays. They're now the Rays and 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.360 they're allowed to call high school students. It's a little different, 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:14.000 the rules different than it's also different than college baseball 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.520 that you can't there's a lot of rules that protect 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.960 how much conversation you're allowed to have pre draft and 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:21.839 if you're coming out of college. But in high school, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.120 it's like you're kind of protecting the franchise from wasting 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.839 a high round pick on a guy that wants to 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.240 go to college, because then you you'll waste your pick 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.280 and he'll choose college and you just lost that pick. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.319 So I had had multiple conversations with the Twins and 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.040 the Devil Rays, and it just never felt like enough 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:41.240 money to forego an education. Joke was on me though, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.280 because that I didn't finish my education. I hurt my 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.800 elbow and never went pro after that hat that surgery, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.720 But how old is that? That was my So I 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.920 hurt my I had transferred, I started oldness and I 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.680 had transferred at the time to Fresno State in Central California. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.520 Just want to get back to Cali And it was 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.640 opening night my junior year. But because I had used 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.120 a transfer red shirt, I couldn't medical red shirt because 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.040 we didn't like put in for it. Soon enough because 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:08.600 we thought i'd be back, so I missed my junior 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.160 and senior year. So at that point it was like, dang, 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.880 so your your whole life. You're thinking because like as 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.480 a professional athlete, I know what you grow up with 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:17.760 and you want to be it. It's the only thing 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.680 on your mind. You're thinking, I'm going to be a 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.800 picture in the majors and your family is probably thinking 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.160 the same thing too, And then you have it. Was it, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.400 Tommy John, Tommy John, and it completely alters the course 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.520 of your life. And then listeners don't all know what 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.160 Tommy Tommy John surgery is replacing the owner collateral ligament 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.240 in the elbow with the Palmyra's longest tendant in the 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.320 forearm that connects to skin instead of muscle, which means 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.720 it doesn't really do anything, and people don't have it. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.960 That's some member women. Can you please give us some 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:53.319 details instead of just answering an answer, Come on, just 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:57.920 say Tommy John, honestly, it honestly is the ligament that 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.640 connects your forearm to your upper arm. It's a big, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.760 big issue for pictures especially, It's a massive issue for pictures. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.640 So then after that, did you kind of give up 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.679 hope of baseball or do you still try because I'm 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.360 trying to figure out how you got from that to 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.640 now being a massive country music star because I'm looking 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.640 for a second career here by the way, quite a fallback, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:19.600 you know, no more baseball, all right, I'll just be 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.120 a music superstar. Did you have? Was music in you 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:24.840 as a kid? Like all through this year? So my 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.320 dad's a pastor. I grew up in the church. You know. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.040 I think there's like every school is different because every 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.200 community is different, and the whole thing, like there's always 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.600 like a thing that all the guys do. And at 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.680 my school there were two, but none of them were 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.200 like sports was like like third. It was like a 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:46.080 tertiary thing. It was like, uh, the surf team. It 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.120 was really good. And everybody learned guitar so they could 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.560 play worship songs. Wow, and uh. I got thrown into 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.680 leading worship in high school way before I ever thought 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.600 I would pursue it as anything else than leading worship. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.640 So um, I played guitar and sang just thinking I 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.560 was like kind of serving the church in the high 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.600 school and the whole thing. And then I went to 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.480 college to play baseball and I didn't even my freshman 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:09.600 year when I went to Old Miss, I did not 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.640 bring my guitar with me to college. I said, if 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.880 I'm if I'm doing this, I'll turn down the twins 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.080 and the Devil raising the whole thing. I'm gonna commit 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.040 to do one baseball. I'm gonna I got three years 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.240 to get more money and make this a thing. And 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.280 so and then and then I left Old Miss after 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:28.640 my freshman year because I was like, I want to 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.680 be back at the beach. And when I came back 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.480 to the beach, I brought my guitar with me and 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.440 I started playing again. And then I hurt myself. And uh, 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.000 the kind of the kind of the Gavin story where 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.480 you where you came in for me was when I 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:49.720 hurt myself. I started just playing guitar, no singing, and 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.120 I was learning a butt like all the Dave Matthews records, 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.160 Dave Dave, like Dave has his own way of playing 0:15:55.640 --> 0:16:00.320 like chords and like he self taught himself. Like if 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.680 you watch him play Satellite, his hand is spread out 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.280 all the way across the fret board and he's playing 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.920 an e that takes up two friends, like he has 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.800 the voicings he has on the guitar, and it's like, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.520 so I was like, well, for dexterity and stuff, I'll 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.120 just learn the way he plays everything. I don't care 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:14.920 that it's wrong or right. I'm gonna like learn to 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.840 do difficult things. And in the middle of that, I 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.360 heard Chariot the whole record for the first time. I 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.080 was watching One Tree Hill and I heard I Don't 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.400 Want to Be and and I went, I went, well, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.760 that's cool. And then I went and bought the record 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.200 and then I wore it out three times, and then 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.000 Chariot strip came out and I just, uh, what what? 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.840 What was that? Like? What? What was cool? What intrigue? 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:35.800 Because you probably heard a lot of songs at that time, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.000 but why did that one stick and resonate with you? Gavin? 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.840 Gavin's riding is is different than anybody's I've ever heard. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:46.240 He has a way of saying something that um very 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.440 like a very common concept in a way that nobody's 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.120 ever said it before. So you can relate because you've 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.840 been through it, but you've never heard it said that way. Um. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:56.840 It's something that I fight to do as a songwriter 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.800 all the time. Is like like it's it's in the 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:01.640 same way that we're not going to like recreate a 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.280 chord progression or write a new chord. We're not going 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:05.639 to do that. We're not going to come up with 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.080 a concept that's touching the people that hasn't been talked 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.320 about before. But can we say it different? Can we 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.280 come at it from a different angle? And so I 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:17.800 remember listening to that going like like this is making 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.080 me feel something, and I'm not even quite sure why, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:21.520 Like I want to meet this guy and talk to 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.399 him about like what his experience was within this that 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.240 made him say it this way, because it's still making 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.240 me feel something. But like I remember, like years later, 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:31.919 You've got to tell me the story about Chariot and 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.440 going back home to visit and you're sitting in that 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.119 church when you had that idea for that song, Like 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.600 I would have never known that was it, But without 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.600 knowing that was it, I was still feeling something. I 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.040 was still connecting to it, and I just thought that 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.240 was like that that was what made me want to 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.959 write my own songs, because I think like the beauty 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.760 of music is making other people feel connected to your story. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.320 And if you just keep telling the same story, everybody's 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.359 been telling like it just becomes white noise, you know, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.199 And so it was it was fresh and different. Mhm. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.960 Thanks for the compliment, man, How does that feel to 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.679 hear him? Is that for me? Is that like an 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.679 ultimate compliment as an artist when somebody describes your music 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.400 like that, it's the ultimate compliment. Um. You know, when 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.320 you're right when you When you're an artist, it's one thing. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:22.400 When you're a writer, it's a it's another thing. So UM, 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:28.520 artists are more their their performers, their interpreters, you know, 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:36.480 like like actors. UM. Writers are creators UM more so 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:41.240 than than necessarily performers or interpreters. And so that when 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.800 you're a creator and and someone who is also a 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:51.520 creator is listening to your stuff and and and um 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:56.359 thinking about it and honoring the way that you are 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.600 creating and and impressed with the way you're creating or 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.840 saying hey, I like what they're doing, then it's a 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.800 different thing than UM. And artists simply covering a song, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.320 but they're if they're covering it as a writer, going 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.000 I do this song because as a writer, I connect 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.480 with this thing. You know, It's different, it's a different 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.119 type of thing. Um, it would be it would be 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.960 like if Tarantino recreated someone else's film. You know, it's 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.240 it's almost seems like the ultimate compliment. It's the ultimate 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.400 compliment as a songwriters, the ultimate compliment really and uh, 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:34.080 because when you you know, when you commit to any craft, um, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.320 it's not it's not a hobby, you know, it's it's 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.920 really your life. You know, you go to bed thinking 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:45.120 about what you're and you dream about music. I do, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.119 and then, um, I dream songs. And when I remember 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.679 my dreams, it's music. I hear music and um, and 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.800 I'll wake up and I'll hear music. Um. And so 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.840 it's really just forget to turn off the radio person. Actually, yeah, 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:07.320 music music always. I'll wake up with the fears, like 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.480 I'll have music dreams where I feel like I blew 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.320 a show but I'm singing a song that I've never 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.560 heard before in my life. And yeah, and then maybe 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.080 it's a song idea or maybe it's like maybe you 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.719 don't ever do this, but I dream dream of music too, Yeah, 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.640 which is an amazing thing. And so that that's more 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.520 proof that that's your, in my opinion, your true destiny. 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.359 You know, if you're dreaming song. You're dreaming music, that's 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:37.199 your that's your destiny, you know. Um. I mean, if 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.879 that's what's the majority of those those fantasies, those dreams, 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:43.920 I feel like that's your heart speaking to your to you, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.560 you know, and that's your that's your that's your fate, 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.840 you know constantly, you know, knocking on your door saying 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.480 this is you know, this is the path. Um. That's 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.600 a beautiful thing that was in your family too, that 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.160 like that, that didn't start with you. I remember sitting 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.159 in the in the in the that coffee shop in 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:05.239 Honolulu with your mom and dad, and you and your 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.320 dad were going back and forth about like old soul 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.480 R and B songs, and they started singing their favorite 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.840 songs capella and the coffee shop, back and forth at 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.520 each other. We got kicked out. We did. We were 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.520 too out. We did just playing. We didn't show. We 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.200 got kicked out of a coffe shop the next morning 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:27.440 because they were singing a cappella. Because you guys, when 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.760 your dad talking music got so passionate about music, you 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.480 went back. You were going back forty fifty years of music, 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.800 singing verse chorus at a time, and I was like, oh, man, 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.080 I mean, I didn't even I didn't. I'm jealous of 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.880 that upbringing because my parents loved music and they brought 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:44.760 me up on R and B. But like it was 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.680 in your blood, man, you didn't You didn't even have choice. Yeah, 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:49.439 I didn't really have a choice. There was so much 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.000 music in the house growing up, you know. And uh 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.440 it's interesting when my dad sings. It's funny. I don't 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.240 know if you noticed it or not, but when my 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:01.840 dad sings, he cries. His eyes war and uh so, 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.200 and he had always been that way. And one day, 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:06.800 a handful of years ago, I said, Dad, why do 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.320 you Why do you cry when he's saying is it um? 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:13.520 Is it because of however the however you're getting the 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:16.399 notes out. It's making your eyes water less, having this 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.280 a physical effect that you can't help. Or is it emotional? 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.280 He said, it's emotional for me, probably everything. Every time 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:28.600 I saying I weep, I just get so emotional. You know. 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.800 I love you. I love listening to you guys talk 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.359 about music. I want to get more into this, more 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.080 into your story. Brett. We gotta take a quick break 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:47.159 and then we'll dive more into that backro break we 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:52.879 have Mr Brett Young in the house. This guy, this 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.040 guy is inspiring, really inspiring for me because I'm in 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.280 a big transition point of my life, and so I 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.880 want to get your story. I want to learn from 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:02.000 you how you switch. You're gonna be a pro athlete. 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.720 Then you switched to like playing guitar again just because 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.840 you wanted to. You said, work on dexterity and just 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.960 a little different change in your life. At what point 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.199 did it come to like, Okay, now I want to 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.919 write music to make this a career or did you 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.600 just want to write music to express yourself. Like I mentioned, 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.639 you talked about I need to make more money in baseball. 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:20.959 I want to get in a better position to make 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:24.000 more money in baseball. Did you approach music like that 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:25.439 or is it just like I want to do this 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:29.680 to express myself. Yeah, I think I think with baseball, 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:31.600 it wasn't that I want to make more money. It 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.040 was just that I saw the value in a college education, 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:36.560 and it was like, there is a there is a 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.080 a number that you would have to offer me to 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:43.000 make me see the value in skipping college education, um 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.040 and so and so That's what it was. And then 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:48.000 once I made that decision. It was like, Okay, you 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.359 have three years because in base in college baseball, if 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.720 you played D one, you're not draft eligible again until 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.639 your junior year. So you have three years now to 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.119 become the best that you can be before your draft 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.960 years stocks high draft. So and so that was it. 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:07.399 And with music, I mean I wanted to write songs. 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.520 When I heard Chariot, I mean, that was it, right, 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:12.760 But I still didn't know that I wanted to pursue 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:14.919 it as a career. I just knew that, you know, 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:17.919 it's a strange thing, like I don't know if all 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.480 baseball players think of baseball like this, but as a pitcher, 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.199 it was a creative outlet for me because you like 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.640 study hitters and you like learn what pictures to throw 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.199 and what counts, and and that the part of my 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:30.919 mind that we were talking about that like wakes me 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.359 up thinking about music at the time, would wake me 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.680 up thinking about three two counts against a left handed hitter. 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.320 I mean like that. And I didn't know that was 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:41.480 a creative outlet for me until I lost it and 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:43.479 didn't have it anymore, and I didn't have a creative 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:48.439 outlet and so powerful it sounds weird. I mean, it 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.760 sounds like baseball doesn't sound like it would be a 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:55.040 creative thing. It's definitely a physical outlet um. But when 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.119 I heard Chariot and started writing, I was not writing 0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.880 thinking I'm gonna be a songwriter artist. It just made 0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:02.359 me want to write things down, and I immediately realized 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.320 whether I liked the song or not, it was a 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.280 creative outlet for me, and it was like filling that 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:12.480 void that baseball took away. And so how cool is amazing? 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.399 When I met Gavin, I had written six songs. He 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.080 gave me advice and we cut all of the six 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.440 songs I had written was my first DP. We actually 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.520 dropped one off because we used it for it. The 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:27.440 one that we dropped ended up being used on Kim 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:30.159 and Courtney take New York. When you said so I 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.200 got a placement on a TV show with the one 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.280 of the six that we didn't put on the EP. 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.240 And when you say we cut you and Gavin, no, no, no. 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:40.960 Gavin gave me all the advice, but the best advice 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.000 you gave me. You gave me a ton of great advice. 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.159 But you said, do you have a good microphone? I 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.120 was like, I don't know what it is. And you said, 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.600 even if you have to rent it, make sure it 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:51.960 is the right microphone for your voice and people can 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.240 hear your voice. You had never heard my voice before. 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.040 But um you said that. We ended up going out 0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:00.479 and like renting the annoyman Ate seven and then and 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.600 then I'm gonna closet in a second bedroom closet, door shut, 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:08.360 holding the U eight seven with a down comforter over 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.280 my head as a as a dampening shield, Like that's 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.040 how we cut it. And I still listen back and 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.359 I'm like, the best sounding thing on this record is 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:20.439 the vocal quality. That is. But a guy on like 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.800 a massive stage where you are today to know that 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.359 you started in a closet with a down comfort over 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:29.800 your head with rental so that in the summer, that 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.119 nobody will ever hear that music. By the way, I 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.760 love that man, But but that I think that's a 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:41.320 that's another representation of what it takes to make dreams 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:46.320 come true. It takes it takes lack of of comfort, 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:48.639 you know what I mean. You're not going to always 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:50.840 walk into the studio of your dreams. You get to 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.880 cut your record, you know you're gonna be in a closet. 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.960 We're in a blanket over your head to dampen the 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.800 sound singing into a microphone that smells like somebody else's breath. 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.400 Who would rent it before you? You know what I mean? 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.360 You know what I mean? And and it's you know, 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.119 and you're told, look, we got we got four hours. 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.520 We only have a budget for four hours with this engineer, 0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:17.600 So like, make it happen. Or you said something to 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.439 me and you just kind of touched on it, and 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:21.639 I don't want to get it wrong, but it was 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:23.560 something along the lines of and this was part of 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:25.840 that first conversation we talked. It was like if you've 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.000 never been hungry, you've never wanted it enough, or something 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.480 along those lines, and it always stuck with me. And 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.760 what's funny is it applies all the time in different ways, 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:38.760 like if you if you've never been hungry, like if 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.280 you've never been the starving artist, then you've never fought 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.480 hard enough for it. But also like if you've never 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:46.399 wanted it that bad being hungry, how healthy it is 0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.520 to be hungry for it? You know, it's okay to suffer. 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.320 If you, if you, if you, if you're suffering, you 0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.200 have something to draw from, you know. And you get 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.120 a lot of these people coming up, and they all 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.199 want to be superstars, and you know a lot of 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.800 their family members might have the money to help them 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.199 out and stuff like that, you know, and the you know, 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.520 the winlow spend all the money on their kids to 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:08.639 get him in, to get him in the studio. But 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.560 the kids don't want it bad enough because they don't 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:14.200 need it. They never struggled. There's a sense of entitlement 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.440 that comes with that. And this requires hard work. Yeah, 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:19.520 and I think I think all those things that you 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.920 want to help people with, things like you know, when 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.080 you who we spoke you and I one time we 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.520 were talking about just being hard to make a truck payment, 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:28.600 you know what I mean, to pay for your pickup, 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.440 and you know, yeah, it would be nice if someone 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.119 just said, hey, man, here's the extra few hundred bucks 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.479 this month, and here's an extra few hundred for the 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.720 next next month and next month. Yeah, thanks for the help. 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:41.680 But at the same time, that help is going to 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:43.200 take away a bit of a little bit of that 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.680 desperation that drive required to get to the next level. 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.360 You know. Sometimes the broken ladder is a good one 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.160 because it will teach you how to get that much 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.360 stronger to skip arong, you know. So, so that's that 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.080 is also necessary in my opinion. Well yeah, and that 0:28:58.160 --> 0:28:59.800 that truck payment is the thing that puts you in 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.120 the position to have to take that cover gig that 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:05.920 you probably don't want, like I did. I mean you did. 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:07.440 You did it in New York. I did in l A. 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.560 I played other people's songs for people that didn't care 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:14.000 for a really long time. Um, but that's because I 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.160 had a truck payment, not because that's where my my 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.680 heart and soul was, but because I was getting to 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.280 do something I loved for people that didn't care, and 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:24.360 that still felt better than taking a job that was 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.360 gonna suck my soul. Yeah, I agree. Now I got 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.640 a question, So I got a question gave what was 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:31.840 it about? Because I'm sure other people have approached you, 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:33.480 right and being like, oh, can I ask you? I 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.000 want to be a songwriter? It what was it that that? 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.520 Because you obviously give a lot of advice and took 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:41.480 some time, and you're obviously you're a nice guy, but 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:43.880 it sounds like you went above and beyond with Brett. Now, 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.320 what was it about did you recognize something? I thought 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.760 he was sincere. You know, Brett was sincere. He you 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.520 know when you when you meet Brett, when you hang 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.680 with Brett, I think you can tell when Brett approaches 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:58.640 you that it's it's from It's always a respectable place, sorry, 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:02.600 a respectful place. And he has a humble uh demeanor 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.200 about him. You know, he is confidence, but he has 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.840 a nice humble demeanor and respectful demeanor. He's a likable guy, 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.680 you know. And so when he when he engaged me, 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:18.760 I believed him and I saw myself in him. Of 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.080 I know the position he's in. He wants, he has 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.560 a dream, he has a goal. He's asking questions in 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.840 a respectful way. That that I felt like if I 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:32.080 had an opportunity to meet somebody, um, I would have 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:35.680 done a similar type of thing or said similar types 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.240 of things, you know. And it sounded when he when 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.960 he asked me these questions, they sounded like they're coming 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.719 from a real place. They weren't just It wasn't just 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.400 a little quiz and an interview. It was someone who 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.360 was who had a goal and had a dream and 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:56.160 wanted real insight into how how how do I get there, 0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.800 you know. Um. And so that's where I liked about it. 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.520 It wasn't just somebody being cozy. Hey, bro, so what's 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:03.800 it like on the first you know, with the U 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.720 and the uh you know what I'm saying. Bro, You know, 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.480 it wasn't like that. You know, It's a different thing. 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.239 And I really I believed him when he So if 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:12.920 he had come up and said, hey, I bet you 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:14.720 get a lot of girls playing music, then you would 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:18.120 have been like, yeah, thanks buddy, Yeah exactly exactly. But 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.719 maybe if I hadn't yelled at him obnoxiously, it wouldn't 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:26.160 worked either. That was the gold moment. Brett. Maybe you 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.720 knew him better. Maybe you're like, hey, yeah, if you 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.600 want to get a steak, and he's like yes, Like okay, 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:36.560 just answer anything you want if you're kicking up a steak. Well, 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.560 you know, it's funny. It's funny because when he first 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.720 called called to me on the street, I was like, 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:46.000 oh no, I'm about to get like harassed, heckled whatever, 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.800 you know, And because I was out for a walk. 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:50.640 I was just going for a walking. It was the 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.000 middle of the night, I was alone. And then you 0:31:53.040 --> 0:32:00.320 look at he's enormous, and you're like, exactly your spread, 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:05.600 exactly exactly. He was sitting down and still the the 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.120 giant table looked like an airplane tray in front of vent, 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.640 you know what I mean. I was like, oh man, 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.800 what's this guy? What's this guy? One? I was like, 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.960 it's kind of big, damn. So I was like, you're 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:23.720 looking for improvised weapon. I swear, knowing what I know 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.040 about you, now, I can picture the way you got 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.000 off your phone call. You were like ready just in 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.600 case I was going to get aggressive. Never know where 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.000 you put your phone away, like preparing yourself for something terrible. 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:37.680 He just cracks a chair over your head. You're like, 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:42.160 I just want to ask a tell me about Hey, Bret, 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.520 Bret Brett. I had a quick question. Is there was 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.840 there a period after when you realized baseball was sort 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.240 of coming to an end that you went down kind 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:56.520 of a a dark place or dark path, absolutely not 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.400 knowing that your singing career would take off. Yeah. Absolutely no, 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:03.840 before I even found Chariot, before I even saw that 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:08.120 as some sort of path or outlet for me. Um, 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:12.400 this is totally full circle because tomorrow I'm actually playing 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.720 a show at a casino in Fresno, and at the 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:16.840 time I was at Fresno State and the last turn 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.560 off before you get this casino was a lookout over 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.640 It's called Militant Lake and Fresno. And when the injury happened, 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:28.080 it was it was full blown depression. Yeah, I hadn't 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:30.640 had no drive at all. I didn't want to do anything, 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.560 but I still wanted to listen to music. And UM, 0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.960 that first weekend after I found out I had to 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.200 have surgery, which was the weekend before I had surgery. UM, 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.640 Dave matthews Man was playing three nights in a row 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:48.320 at it was called Concorde Pavilion in Northern and we 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:51.760 went to all three and then I came back and 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.960 that whole week, every night we would drive up parking 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.320 that lookout and we're bringing like, you know, a case 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.280 of beer, and they'll be like four of us with guitars, 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:02.680 all terrible guitar players were just designated driver. Of course, yeah, 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.720 of course, what what what case of beer lasts for 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.120 four guys? Of course, it's only for three guys exactly, 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:17.120 so two guys to designated and we would literally just 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.799 try to dissect what is Dave doing here? This doesn't 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:21.040 make sense. And we were trying to learn how to 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.759 play guitar, and it was the only when I was 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.680 sitting there by the leg playing guitar, trying to learn 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.760 Dave Matthew songs, the only time I wasn't feeling depressed 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.040 about baseball. So that was already happening. And then I 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.600 went back to l A to have my surgery, thinking 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:40.359 I'd come back and play my senior m HM. And 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.480 through the rehab processes, like the beginning was going really well, 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.320 and so the depression was leaving a little bit, and 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.439 I'm like, I'm gonna press my senior year. This is great, 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:53.200 and then uh, I got basically tendonitis and attendant that 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.680 wasn't designed to be in an elbow was designed to 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.040 be in a forearm, and that's a weird thing. And 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.040 so I had broke through all the scar too a 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:01.400 shoe and I could straighten my arm out and I 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.040 could throw. But once I got up on a mound 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:06.400 throwing downhill, I was feeling like this pain that felt 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.960 like the injury. But there then the m riot again 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:11.600 and they're like, no, it's actually totally healthy. You just 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:14.719 have a little bit of information or tendonitis in the 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.640 tendon um, in this whole thing, and I just sunk 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.719 right back into it. And it got the worst when 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.040 season came around and I was still at like sevent 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.439 and they're like, if this doesn't clear up, you won't 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.920 pitch your senior either, and I just went, you know, 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.480 I think God gives you open and closed doors, you know. 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:34.520 And at baseball, I had been beating my head against 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.200 that door for a long time. List didn't work out. 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.839 It was all these didn't work out stories, and again 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:41.759 here's another one, and I finally went, you know what, 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.880 I don't want to fight the fight of my life 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:47.759 to maybe get healthy in time for playoffs that we 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.279 might not make senior year. Like I think this is 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.560 it's a very clear picture for me. And so I 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:56.960 was when I had to make that decision, I was 0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:01.040 down and out. And that's when I heard Chariot. So 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:03.600 you know what, nine months before, it was let's learn 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.560 a Dave matthews Man's song, and I'm depressed because I 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.040 hurt my arm, and then nine months later it's I 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.359 think I'm gonna walk away from the sport. And then 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.359 I heard that and it was Chariot, and I was like, 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:15.560 I want to write my own music. I don't want 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.239 to just play on people's music. It was part of 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:20.080 you relieved to obviously you didn't want it and you 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:21.759 were fighting for baseboll continue. It was part of you 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.000 relieved when you finally made that decision. You said, and 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.200 you and you heard Jerry and he said, I found 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.080 a new path. You know, I could move on and 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.239 I'm not struggling with the baseball thing because yeah, but 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:33.160 also way more scared, because like baseball was something that 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.520 I mean, I I turned down money out of high school. 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.960 I could have bought a house, an eighteen year old 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.360 owning a home, and now I'm a twenty to almost 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.800 one year old a month before twenty second birthday, going 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:50.920 I'm gonna chase down something even less predictable at two 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:55.000 years old and start over. Um it was it was, yeah, 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.160 I didn't. It didn't make any sense to me at all. 0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:01.040 But all I knew was like I I don't have 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:03.280 the capacity to sit behind a desk Monday through Friday 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.480 nine to five. And no I don't have it. No 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:07.480 I can't be good at it. I could be good 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:11.719 at it for like two hours a day. I want 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:13.359 to do it, and I want to do it, but 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.799 I can't. Like I can't what they call it working 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.839 for the man. I can't work for the man. I can't. 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.480 I just can't. It's my attention span. I can't do it. 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:22.439 I have to do something. If I don't care, I can't. 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.359 That's why I can't read. There's not There's never been 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:29.279 a book in the history of the world. That's why 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.520 you guys are buddies that you finished. Even if the 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.560 book is amazing, every single one has a dead spot. 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:37.480 And that's when I put it down and never pick 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.640 it up. You know, it's funny about reading. When I 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:49.480 read every word, says Ambien, I'm gonna say something that's 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.200 gonna make me sounds right sleep, I go, I'm gonna agree. 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.760 I'm gonna agree with you right now. If the book 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.080 was good enough, they'll make it a movie. There go, there, 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:08.239 you go. Okay, in the world the time to kill unforgiven. 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.799 I am a wait for the movie guy myself. And 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:12.640 that's why when I was in elementary school and we 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.439 had to do book reports, I would pick a choose 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.080 your own adventure that the teacher. I knew the teacher 0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:18.439 had read, so I didn't have to read the book. 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.160 I just make it up. You know what I want 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.239 to touch on on your story there that I that 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.080 I absolutely loved and I resonate when I heard you 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:29.600 say it. I resonate personally with it is that sometimes 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:34.960 the gifts in our life are completely disguised as trauma 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.319 or what we think is the worst possible thing that 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:40.959 could happen to us. Like that injury that you experienced, 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.879 you might not be. You wouldn't be Let's be honest, 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:45.759 you probably wouldn't be a country music store where you 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:49.000 are today, even have met your wife, Like all of 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:53.440 this stuff might not have happened if that injury didn't occur, 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.719 which you thought was drove you into depression, you know, 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.400 like I wouldn't have I wouldn't have met all of 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.560 you guys in this room had I not been released 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.239 from the l A Kings. You're very lucky and that 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:10.319 you have met us what those days, buddy, I will 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:15.440 say it's a gift, but it is it is for me, 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:17.440 Like I think of how my life has been blest 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.839 from what I deemed to be possibly the worst news 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.640 that I'd ever received, and how yours is the same 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:24.439 To hear that from you is amazing. I think about 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.400 our listeners. Oh there anybody else that's received news that 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.759 they think is just terrible. That's it could be the 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.759 biggest gift that you received. Could be absolutely correct. It 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.920 was for me, absolutely and you you know. The other 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.880 thing I really like about about what you guys are 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.919 saying and something that Brett said about being sort of 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.000 you know, forced out of the sport or how God 0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:52.399 you know, opens and closes doors. Um, the beauty is, yes, 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:57.160 you left a sport that is really designed for youth, 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.720 but now you're now you're playing the ultimate lifetime sport, 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:07.600 which is music. Which is I mean Willie Nelson is 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.279 still on tour, you know what I mean? You your 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.920 longevity is a completely different word in music than it 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:17.240 isn't sports. You can you control your legacy. You decide 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:20.520 how long you're relevant. In baseball, when your body shuts down, 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:24.440 you're just not even before that, somebody else makes a decision, right, 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.560 my body didn't. God made a decision for me. Two 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.520 years old. God, God finally took my elbow away. And 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.239 I'm a picture. I mean, it's it's there, you know. 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:37.120 I guess there's a few things that you could lose 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.839 your voice. But even then you don't have to stop 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.200 being a songwriter. I mean, there are so many like you. 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.200 You can live out your legacy as long as as 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:54.359 a musician. Beethoven lost his hearing incredibly. So you've made 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:56.880 this transition from sport, you've started write songs. You know 0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:01.839 you want to continue to write songs. Now what comes where? 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:06.480 What's the next break where you now become what is it? 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.000 What's your first single? You've had five number one singles? 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.720 Take us through the now the professional journey. So Gavin 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.520 said this earlier today, but like it's it's ten years 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.720 plus that we've known each other, which means like that EP, 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:20.680 that's why that doesn't live anywhere anymore. Like that that 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.640 was like that was that was me testing the waters um. 0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.640 I then went into the bar and restaurant gig scene 0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:30.120 for ten years in Orange County in l a um 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:31.920 and I never got I mean, I love to tell 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.760 this story. I never got a meeting. I was playing 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.640 four to five nights a week for ten years, making 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.839 a living and never got a meeting. And finally, you know, 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.480 I was thirty one, almost thirty two, I had met 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.200 an investor that wanted to work with me, but he 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.120 was out of Atlanta and he had connections in Nashville, 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:49.920 and I finally just went, all right, I'm out. And 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.360 at the time, my wife and I had been together 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:54.120 for six years and had broken up, and so I 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.200 was like, I'm going, I'm just gonna go, and I 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.200 was chasing down the songwriting side of things. Wait a second, 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:02.960 So that's even an other interesting thing of being a 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.760 bad thing turning into a good thing. You and your 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:08.080 wife had broken up at the time. Now, if you 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.000 were still together, you might not have packed up your 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.279 things and headed to Nashville. Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.399 Like I was lastie. I mean, she knew, she knew 0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:16.400 she wasn't ready for what I wanted, and that it 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.640 would be good for me to go there. Like she 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.480 even even in us breaking up, she was trying to 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.439 take care of me. Now, were you married or dating 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:27.359 at the time? Dating? We had dated for six years 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.759 and and Nashville broke us up. Um, and it was 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:32.400 I mean, we we got I mean, I know that 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.279 wasn't the question. We got back together two years later 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.160 by accident. We're married with the baby on the way. 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:38.560 Our Stories eleven years, our stories as long as me 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:42.200 and Gavin's eleven years. Imagine what our baby would look 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.480 like you and me, bro Dude, I hope it looked 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.640 like brat, what a baby are you? Are you offended 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:56.360 if I don't want to imagine that? So then what 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.640 was the first hit single that really put you on 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:02.879 the map? So that I didn't have an opinion about 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.000 the first single, I just knew that as a new artist, 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.000 I was watching what everybody was doing, and I knew 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.440 that I was being given an opportunity later in life. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.600 I just wanted to make sure, like I'm I would 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.520 if left to my own devices, give me a bottle 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.720 of whiskey, guitar and I right ballads and love songs 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:20.600 and breakup songs all day every day. That's who I 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.400 am as an artist. But I knew that wasn't the 0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:25.759 right way to introduce myself to the world. And I 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.320 only had three up tempo tempo songs in the first record, 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:30.319 and one of them I had written about my mom 0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:33.680 and dad and their relationship, and so I went, well, 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.920 I still want I still want to mean it and 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.600 have it be important to me. So we went with 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:43.560 Sleep Without You, because um My senior year in high school. Um, 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:47.560 my curfew was always ten except four on game days 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.120 basketball season game days because the game would end around ten, 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.200 I was allowed to go eat with the with the 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:57.399 team before, so I had twelve on Friday game days. 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:03.800 We played every Tuesday and Friday. And uh, this one weekend, 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:08.440 my dad's like, a he's a pastor, he's early to 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:12.239 bed guy. Um, and this one week and my mom 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.040 was away on a women's retreat with the church. And 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:16.640 I came in Friday at curfew at twelve, and my 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:20.080 dad's like, and he's sitting up at midnight when I 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:22.879 walk in watching Sports Center. If you know sports that's 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:29.400 an hour program, so if you're watching at midnight. And 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:31.120 I walked in, I said, Dad, what are you doing? 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:33.719 And he's like, it's just still hard to sleep in 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.400 our bed when mom's not here. And that stuck with me. 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:38.480 I wasn't writing songs yet. I was eighteen. I mean, 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.600 it was a long time ago. And uh, it was 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:42.440 a title that I wrote down. You know, it was 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:44.239 this title that woke me up. You know we're talking 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.960 about me. I woke up, wrote it down, and went 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:48.759 back to sleep, and then I got home with a 0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.200 couple of guys and we wrote this song about like 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.759 years later, like how this is our bed together, so 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:55.200 when you're not here, it's hard for me to go 0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:57.719 to sleep. I'm living it now. When I wrote it, 0:44:57.760 --> 0:44:59.440 I wasn't living it. I live it now. It's it's 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.759 really bus art and I have my wife next to me. Um. 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.400 But when I was picking a single, I knew I 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.400 wanted up tempo and that was the only one that 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:09.239 was that personal to me, and so that's why we 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.759 picked it. I love that authenticity. Man, Yeah, kudos to you. 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:19.560 Thanks good guess that's awesome. I love hearing like musical 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:21.560 journeys like this was not a part of my life 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.239 as an athlete. Now hearing this, it's a beautiful art. 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.480 It's I learned through you, I learned through your friends, 0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.520 people that come on the show. It's an absolutely beautiful craft. 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.080 I know that it's coming across in this conversation like 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:36.520 I'm anywhere near like I live music anywhere near as 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:39.240 much as Gavin. I've never met anybody that lives music 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.799 more than Gavin. To grow literally, I'm not just saying 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:46.239 that to like like fluff you up. I will if 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:51.439 you need me to do. We'll talk about no. But 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.359 but but I'm I'm being serious. It takes me back 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.000 to Hawaii, not just like a coffee shop thing. But 0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.200 I remember we were walking through that international marketplace in 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.000 Honolulu on that trip and you were like you walk 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:07.680 through and you like touched and awning as we were 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.280 walking through, but you like, we're walking ahead by yourself, 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:12.560 and I was like, and then you did it again, 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.359 but you put both hands up. And I didn't know 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.319 you well at all at the time, and I was like, 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.520 like this guy us and I walked up and I 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.279 asked you. I remember asking you. We were about to 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.360 walk into a little bar with your band, me, you 0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:27.359 and Liver, and I walked up to you and I 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:29.399 was like, were you measuring something? And you were like what? 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:31.759 And I explained this whole what I was talking about, 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:33.359 Like you you had your hands and you were like, 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.000 oh no, I don't know what I was doing. But 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.400 I had a song idea, you said to me just 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:40.360 coming out through you were you were having like song 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:42.640 ideas as we were all walking together to go to 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.759 a bar and hang out. And I remember thinking like, 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:52.080 I'm bad at this. Well, no ideas like that that 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:55.000 often this is crazy, but that song Awning never came out, 0:46:55.040 --> 0:47:03.040 so it was Cannopy's Oh man, I love this gets 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:04.640 you in your head. You know the music you can't 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.440 shut it off. I'm there comes out of your body 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.719 and you know, people be talking to you and you 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.560 just you go somewhere else, you know. Yeah, well that's 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.800 that's right. Can you imagine how people you have to 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:18.799 give a songwriting credit to if you let them know 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:20.480 that something they said out loud you wrote down and 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:25.759 wrote the song. That's amazing. Hold on your right. I'm 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.080 gonna get I'm gonna get a transcript of all our 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:30.600 podcasts and see if like one line ends up in 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:33.680 one of your songs, and then I'm getting royalty. I 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:38.200 just put sorry. Brooks is like, does this song on 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:42.400 the ice have anything to do with my hot? So 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.640 you had one hit single? Then when did the second 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.400 one come out? When did the next number one come? Uh? Next? 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:54.560 This gig is easy, Hey, that baseball gig is easy. 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.200 Let me ask you a question, just because from from 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:01.439 the artists perspective of something, when you had your first hit, 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:07.000 were you feeling cool now I'll have another hit? Great? 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.000 Let me ride the wave or were you thinking, no, 0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:15.879 terrified more responsibility? Yes wa wa yeah because one hit 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.960 wonder is nobody wants that. Uh you know, like I'm 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:21.279 not going to name a name, but you and I 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.479 went and had like a late night breakfast with somebody 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:24.960 in l A that I'm a big fan of. But 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:29.239 they were one and done. You know who I'm talking about. Like, 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:33.839 it doesn't lessen your talent or but like if you 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.160 get put in that category, you are done. Damn Like 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.440 you're it's almost as bad as sophomore slump on the 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:44.799 second record. It's like everybody said, you, so you got 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.600 one under your belt. You feel uncomfortable now. I was like, 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:51.480 absolutely not. I wrote three d songs from my second record. 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:56.160 I brought writers on every single run we did. They 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.560 were I had riders on the bus for all fifty 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:02.200 three Lady Annabellum date. When while my first record was 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.520 out there, it was not it was pedal to the metal, 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:07.880 let's go, I love this. This is this is the 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.359 kind of hustle honestly that people don't get to see. 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:12.920 They see your success, but they don't see this. But 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:17.239 but also it's I think the nineteen year old kid 0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.000 that's entitled that's given a record deal too young, or 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:24.200 took the wrong record deal and spent the money. They're 0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:26.640 sleeping on somebody's couch with no bills, no over Like 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:28.360 I mean, I had a I had a life to 0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:31.360 afford when I like almost and you have this story 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.440 you turned down record deals like it has to be 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:36.480 right for you in your life at the time. And 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.960 these kids that have no skin in the game, had 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:42.440 no bills and nothing to take care of. It's easy 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:46.040 to piss it away. So for me, it's like, I 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:48.279 know that I started this late. I know I'm very 0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:49.839 blessed to have it. I know it could go away 0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:52.239 at any time. It's my job to keep it here 0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:56.359 longevity as long as I can. So it's it's you know, 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:59.840 as an athlete, you understand this. You get out what 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:03.320 you put in. Yeah, and I think athletes are successful 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:06.120 in music because of that that work ethic. You have it, 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:11.000 you never turn it off. It's but that's that's that 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:17.600 just doesn't telling me I have a chance a million. 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:23.839 That's what I took from that. Yeah, man, we've ever 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.080 done right there. It's a good title to Yeah, I 0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:30.319 gotta Eastern. If one of these microphones go missing, don't 0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:36.120 worry about it and the comforter practice. Right before we 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:38.160 say goodbye to you, we got to send a massive 0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:42.560 shout out to Planet Hollywood absolutely for this great, great 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:45.320 great We've had a ball and the food has been delicious, 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:48.160 amazing food. They hooked us up. Got a great place, 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.840 nice couch, even enough room for all this fantastic circular 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:53.719 couch works well for the podcast. I think we'll have 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.760 to come back to podcasts here again. Also shake Shack. 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.680 We had shake Shack last night. That was fun. Yeah, 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.520 we went there after the concert. So shout out to 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:06.680 Shape And if you are looking for a shake Shack location, 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:10.800 go to shake shack dot com or the shack app. 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.879 Did you know that you find yourself a shake Shack 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:16.960 wherever you go. So thank you Plan in Hollywood, Thank 0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:20.120 you shake Shack. Uh Brett, I love your story, dude, 0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:21.640 Thank you so much for coming to share with. Where 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:23.399 can people find you? Where can you have a new 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:26.880 album coming out? Where? Obviously on iTunes everything We actually 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:30.120 we actually did just put out a new acoustic project, 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:35.000 uh that Gavin sang on with our song Chapters played 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:38.040 and sang and it's such a special song. Um and 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:42.040 uh there's some new stuff that you'll be hearing about 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:43.759 kind of soon. We might kind of break the album 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:45.800 cycle for a minute to put out I've written a 0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:48.000 song about my daughter that I'm really proud of, and 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.320 we might we might put that out early just to 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.520 to give people more content. But great, I will always 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:56.720 be putting things out. And then online do you engage 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.400 with people online? Bretton music dot com and all the 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:03.400 socials are outbrighting music and yes, absolutely, I'm very active 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:08.279 on socials. My wife, Taylor Mills Young is also she's 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.120 better than me, so if you want to go check 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:12.880 her out too. She's always uh, she's better at talking 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:15.480 about what I'm doing than I am, so you can 0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:17.759 get even more content from her socials. But yeah, we're 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:21.120 we're active and we want to be connected to the community. Awesome. 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:23.640 And then baby on the way for you guys. We're 0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:27.719 about three weeks away first beautiful little girl. So we're 0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:29.400 so excited. Well, we should get you out of here 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.080 so you can catch that plane and head back home. 0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.560 Thank you, look after that, lady, Thank you guys for 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:35.719 having me. This is a this is a blast. I 0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:38.799 hope I hope like that. People don't listen to us 0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:41.439 and then think that like this is actually how men think. 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:54.920 I'm just I'm just kidding. We're the best. Thank you 0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:57.960 having an egg sandwich and let's take a break. Thank 0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:59.799 you Buddy so much for sharing your story, for coming 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:03.040 in a friend of the show. Thanks Gavin for hooking 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:06.280 this up, and thank you everybody for listening Brett stories. 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.279 Incredible people out there listening. Um I say this all 0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:11.920 the time. Everything is an opportunity and that's how you 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.960 worked at that injury and you've taken it and created 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:17.120 an amazing life. So uh, that's it for today until 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:19.640 next week. Take care of one another, love one another, 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.080 and we'll see you back here on How Men Thinks. 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.040 Great job man, Thanks