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Speaker 1: This is How Men Think with Brooks Like and Gavin

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Speaker 1: to grab and I heard radio podcast. Welcome to How

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Speaker 1: Men Think Podcast. My name is Brooks Like. Coming to

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Speaker 1: you live. Yes we are. We are in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: That's where our whole budget went. We haven't been paid

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Speaker 1: for this show. Yeah that's right. I spent the whole

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Speaker 1: budget on this sweet here in planet Hollywood. It is sweet.

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Speaker 1: It is sweet. Is my buddy Mr Gavin to be here? Baby? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Come on, this is your town, This is my town.

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Speaker 1: You everywhere we walk, everybody's like Covin Kevin. No, they're saying, Gavin,

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Speaker 1: get out of the way. Hey Brooks, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: But you have a place here. Yeah, I've actually my

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Speaker 1: my thoughts on this town have changed just listening to

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Speaker 1: you talk about it, because you come here and you

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Speaker 1: think it's got such a connotation of entertainment and industry,

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, um, wildlife. But you actually find

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Speaker 1: a different meaning in this town. Um, you have a

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Speaker 1: place here and come here, and then so I change

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Speaker 1: your mind a little bit. You know what they call

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Speaker 1: that what manipulation? I call that friendship? You call it that.

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Speaker 1: Some would say you are the modern day Elvis is that?

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Speaker 1: What is that what they call you? Gav? I gonna

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Speaker 1: start calling you that from now and for sure you

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Speaker 1: can sing? No, no, you can. You've practiced in an

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Speaker 1: Elvis voice. These hips fly? What about Sinatra? Can you

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Speaker 1: sing Sinatra? Can you sing it tonight? Yes? Are we

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Speaker 1: gonna do karaoke tonight? No? Yes, let's do it. No.

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Speaker 1: I told you I'm not doing karaoke with a rock star.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. You are a rock star. So

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Speaker 1: we got Rick and Dmitri here with us. Dmitri, you

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Speaker 1: are a rock star yourself, not to the legitimate sense

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Speaker 1: that Gavin is. I'm not gonna like follow him on stage.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to do Islands in the Stream. I'll

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Speaker 1: do Islands in the Stream? I guess we're doing karaoke? Yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: in case you guys can making me a butter cup.

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Speaker 1: You guys can't hear Gavin right now. He's eating peanut

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Speaker 1: butter cups, not talking into his mic peanut butter cups.

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Speaker 1: Those are the bad reviews we get on Apple on iTunes,

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Speaker 1: as were like, we can't hear the one guy, Gavin.

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Speaker 1: Haven't heard all these marble mouth recordings right now? Hitting

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Speaker 1: the top oh man, we are in Vegas, just modernizing

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Speaker 1: our podcast. Yeah. I love it that we're in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny because, like Rick, I think

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Speaker 1: didn't get the memo that we were coming to Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Because he's got pants on, he's got a T shirt,

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Speaker 1: he's got like a Chanel's sweater. I'm a little chilly.

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Speaker 1: I mean I planned ahead. I knew everything was going

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Speaker 1: to be in air condishing where we were going. Are

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Speaker 1: you going to like after this? Is that why you

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Speaker 1: have a nice sweater? A couple of yes, you do

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Speaker 1: look you do look trendy though, Rick, thank you. I

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Speaker 1: want to say all you guys looked tan too to

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Speaker 1: meet the other. To me, I think I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: just Greek. I'm just naturally this color. You're from Canada.

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Speaker 1: You I don't know what you're hurt. You're like my pastiness.

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Speaker 1: You're from You're from New York. I look like a

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Speaker 1: bottle of Elmer's glue. You put on an orange hat.

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Speaker 1: You look exactly like. Let's get an orange hat. He's

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Speaker 1: got a blue one on right now. If he eats

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Speaker 1: any more of those beauty is. If I go to

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Speaker 1: the pool, everyone around me gets more tanned. There you go.

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Speaker 1: You're you're so kind. You're the type of person by

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Speaker 1: the pool that like moms would come over and apply

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Speaker 1: sunscreen to you because they would feel badly because like

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Speaker 1: he is going to burn that man soul has left

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Speaker 1: his body. Oh buddy, you're too hard on yourself. I

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Speaker 1: heard a rumor though, gav uh Well, Rick and Dmitri

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Speaker 1: and I and Ryan, we all heard a rumor. Did

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Speaker 1: you're not staying at the hotel with us? I'm not

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Speaker 1: because I have a house here. Oh I heard that rumor,

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Speaker 1: but I was I thought it was false because I

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Speaker 1: haven't been invited. You're you're didn't know. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not like a house house. It's like you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like a hotel room that I keep here at another hotel,

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Speaker 1: a different one from where you guys are. Intentionally, it's weird.

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Speaker 1: The address is called MGM grand Is it there is

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Speaker 1: in one of the casinos? No? No, yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know it damn well should be? Do you have a

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Speaker 1: driveway I live in Ah? You know, it's like a hotel.

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Speaker 1: And because I I don't. You don't like too good,

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Speaker 1: I don't like doing that kind of work. You like

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Speaker 1: turn key, I like turn key, gotcha? I like room service.

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Speaker 1: You know, listen, I could cook for me and nearly

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Speaker 1: take out or go to a restaurant or whatever like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I like to like I like hotel living.

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Speaker 1: Hotel living is nice, but is there is there like

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Speaker 1: a little you know, cocktail get together at your place

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Speaker 1: before we go out or something. If you bring over

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Speaker 1: some cocktails that idea. Well we might as well just

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Speaker 1: stay in the casino, but we have to bring our

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Speaker 1: own cocktails. I don't think you're gonna be overwhelmed with

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Speaker 1: my place. It's a very simple. It's just a gesture.

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Speaker 1: It's the gesture. You guys are welcome to come over

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Speaker 1: and clean my house. See it's the gesture. Alright. He's

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Speaker 1: downplaying it. He's like, I have a small room and

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Speaker 1: I bet you he lives next to copperfield and a

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Speaker 1: spread spread with lions and fire, and you name it.

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Speaker 1: You're driving the gate and fire goes off, Big model, man,

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Speaker 1: you should have done something else for a living. His

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Speaker 1: doorbell is like Donka Chane or whatever. That song is

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Speaker 1: Gavin's home and greets you at Gavin's house. He's right

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Speaker 1: back here. Yeah, it's not even a door. You press

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Speaker 1: the button and Wayne Newton starts singing live. You guys

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Speaker 1: are looking fresh today after I have a little little,

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Speaker 1: you know, a little slow today. But hey, that's all right.

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Speaker 1: I had a great time last night and I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: How much coffee did you have? I had like fourteen cups.

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Speaker 1: I think didn't help. Right now, we're at the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio Festival. So we watched some mats last night.

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Speaker 1: We watched some music. We had a great time. Watch

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Speaker 1: Whodi and the Blowfish. That was fun. Here's the problem

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Speaker 1: with that. I was like, I'm kind of excited to

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Speaker 1: see who do you in the Blowfish? And Brooks was

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Speaker 1: like me too, and I was like, yeah, there's something

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Speaker 1: nostalgic about it. He's like absolutely. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: it reminds me of that a summer during college. He goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: I was in the sixth grade, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, it might even it might it might

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Speaker 1: have even been grade four, but man, there, Darius crushed

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Speaker 1: it last night. He was awesome. Yeah. So we also

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Speaker 1: have another very esteemed guest on this show. Yes we do, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do. Real well before we let you introduce him.

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Speaker 1: This is a friend of the show and and he

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Speaker 1: is an athlete turned music superstar. That's right. Gives me hope.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to ask this. Okay, that's you know

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Speaker 1: you're going to be a supert. I'm in a pivotal

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Speaker 1: I heard you singing hold my hand last night. You're

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Speaker 1: not not that's not happening. Well maybe, Um, he has

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Speaker 1: five number one hits and he's only put out five songs.

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Speaker 1: And he's only put out five songs. But I'll let

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Speaker 1: you introduce this big hands. Yes I will, Yes, I will. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: So I've been known this guy for a number of years.

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Speaker 1: Number of years you met, you know, kind of by happenstance,

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Speaker 1: became buddies, and uh, since then, he's become a big

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Speaker 1: superstar in the country world. But I think not just

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Speaker 1: a country world. Soon, I think it'll be bigger than

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Speaker 1: only the country world. Very very talented and awesome guy,

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Speaker 1: My good friend Mr Brett Young. Ye give it up, Thandy.

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Speaker 1: We didn't meet by happenstance. I stalked you. It's safe,

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Speaker 1: my fan girl, do you real hard for a real

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Speaker 1: long time. So let's get into this. I haven't heard

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Speaker 1: I've heard that you were you were a big fan

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Speaker 1: of his music, but I heard you guys had a

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Speaker 1: really interesting meeting, like just a happened chance. Yeah we

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Speaker 1: did what He played the Greek theater, yeah, in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I had brought like my cousins and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and and Gavin does something like I don't want to

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Speaker 1: call you out for this, but you do something that

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Speaker 1: I think is pretty cool, Like when you can slip

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Speaker 1: out and listen to your openers, you do like you'll go,

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Speaker 1: a good idea to go out there. And you and

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Speaker 1: you were doing that, uh that night, And who's the

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Speaker 1: ukulearly guy from Hawaii Jake something? Oh, I think I

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Speaker 1: know who you're talking about. Think my wife Liv's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: But Gavin's nuck out to like listen to this dude play.

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Speaker 1: And I'm walking in with my two younger female cousins

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I gotta you gotta meet Gavin. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: I just give away this moment? I'm the bigger fan.

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Speaker 1: So fast forward end of the night. It was a

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Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, he got off the phone, and

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Speaker 1: he actually I said, I'm about to make my first EP,

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Speaker 1: and I think it just turned into you know, next

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Speaker 1: two and Green Day and Pearl Jam at the Aloha Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out he's playing. Gavin's playing uh the

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Speaker 1: Waikiki show the same weekend, So I actually snuck into

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Speaker 1: sneaking in because because he's in board shorts with my

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Speaker 1: We made it, by the way to get kicked out

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Speaker 1: of that. But sitting next to this guy, I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's like a father's sun shot. He's so much

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Speaker 1: bigger than me. I'm just sitting on this guy like

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Speaker 1: feet are dangling off the couch except your bald But

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Speaker 1: he's sorry, come on, don't put yourself in the dangling

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Speaker 1: feet category. They're touching the ground a whole different ground.

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Speaker 1: So hold on, you said, you said you quit your job.

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Speaker 1: This is good. It was a really good job. I was.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was waiting tables at the restaurant in

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Speaker 1: and he had always been that way. And one day,

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Speaker 1: a handful of years ago, I said, Dad, why do

424
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: you Why do you cry when he's saying is it um?

425
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: Is it because of however the however you're getting the

426
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: notes out. It's making your eyes water less, having this

427
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: a physical effect that you can't help. Or is it emotional?

428
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: He said, it's emotional for me, probably everything. Every time

429
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: I saying I weep, I just get so emotional. You know.

430
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: I love you. I love listening to you guys talk

431
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: about music. I want to get more into this, more

432
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: into your story. Brett. We gotta take a quick break

433
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: and then we'll dive more into that backro break we

434
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: have Mr Brett Young in the house. This guy, this

435
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: guy is inspiring, really inspiring for me because I'm in

436
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: a big transition point of my life, and so I

437
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: want to get your story. I want to learn from

438
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: you how you switch. You're gonna be a pro athlete.

439
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: Then you switched to like playing guitar again just because

440
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to. You said, work on dexterity and just

441
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: a little different change in your life. At what point

442
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: did it come to like, Okay, now I want to

443
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: write music to make this a career or did you

444
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: just want to write music to express yourself. Like I mentioned,

445
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: you talked about I need to make more money in baseball.

446
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 1: I want to get in a better position to make

447
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: more money in baseball. Did you approach music like that

448
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: or is it just like I want to do this

449
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: to express myself. Yeah, I think I think with baseball,

450
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't that I want to make more money. It

451
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: was just that I saw the value in a college education,

452
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: and it was like, there is a there is a

453
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: a number that you would have to offer me to

454
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: make me see the value in skipping college education, um

455
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: and so and so That's what it was. And then

456
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: once I made that decision. It was like, Okay, you

457
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: have three years because in base in college baseball, if

458
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: you played D one, you're not draft eligible again until

459
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: your junior year. So you have three years now to

460
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: become the best that you can be before your draft

461
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: years stocks high draft. So and so that was it.

462
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: And with music, I mean I wanted to write songs.

463
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: When I heard Chariot, I mean, that was it, right,

464
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: But I still didn't know that I wanted to pursue

465
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: it as a career. I just knew that, you know,

466
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: it's a strange thing, like I don't know if all

467
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: baseball players think of baseball like this, but as a pitcher,

468
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: it was a creative outlet for me because you like

469
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: study hitters and you like learn what pictures to throw

470
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: and what counts, and and that the part of my

471
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: mind that we were talking about that like wakes me

472
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: up thinking about music at the time, would wake me

473
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: up thinking about three two counts against a left handed hitter.

474
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean like that. And I didn't know that was

475
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: a creative outlet for me until I lost it and

476
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 1: didn't have it anymore, and I didn't have a creative

477
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: outlet and so powerful it sounds weird. I mean, it

478
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: sounds like baseball doesn't sound like it would be a

479
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: creative thing. It's definitely a physical outlet um. But when

480
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: I heard Chariot and started writing, I was not writing

481
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: thinking I'm gonna be a songwriter artist. It just made

482
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: me want to write things down, and I immediately realized

483
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: whether I liked the song or not, it was a

484
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: creative outlet for me, and it was like filling that

485
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: void that baseball took away. And so how cool is amazing?

486
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: When I met Gavin, I had written six songs. He

487
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: gave me advice and we cut all of the six

488
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: songs I had written was my first DP. We actually

489
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: dropped one off because we used it for it. The

490
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: one that we dropped ended up being used on Kim

491
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: and Courtney take New York. When you said so I

492
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: got a placement on a TV show with the one

493
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: of the six that we didn't put on the EP.

494
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: And when you say we cut you and Gavin, no, no, no.

495
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: Gavin gave me all the advice, but the best advice

496
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: you gave me. You gave me a ton of great advice.

497
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: But you said, do you have a good microphone? I

498
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what it is. And you said,

499
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: even if you have to rent it, make sure it

500
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: is the right microphone for your voice and people can

501
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: hear your voice. You had never heard my voice before.

502
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: But um you said that. We ended up going out

503
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: and like renting the annoyman Ate seven and then and

504
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna closet in a second bedroom closet, door shut,

505
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: holding the U eight seven with a down comforter over

506
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: my head as a as a dampening shield, Like that's

507
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: how we cut it. And I still listen back and

508
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, the best sounding thing on this record is

509
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: the vocal quality. That is. But a guy on like

510
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: a massive stage where you are today to know that

511
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: you started in a closet with a down comfort over

512
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: your head with rental so that in the summer, that

513
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: nobody will ever hear that music. By the way, I

514
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: love that man, But but that I think that's a

515
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: that's another representation of what it takes to make dreams

516
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: come true. It takes it takes lack of of comfort,

517
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're not going to always

518
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: walk into the studio of your dreams. You get to

519
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: cut your record, you know you're gonna be in a closet.

520
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: We're in a blanket over your head to dampen the

521
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: sound singing into a microphone that smells like somebody else's breath.

522
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: Who would rent it before you? You know what I mean?

523
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And and it's you know,

524
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: and you're told, look, we got we got four hours.

525
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: We only have a budget for four hours with this engineer,

526
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: So like, make it happen. Or you said something to

527
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: me and you just kind of touched on it, and

528
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it wrong, but it was

529
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: something along the lines of and this was part of

530
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: that first conversation we talked. It was like if you've

531
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: never been hungry, you've never wanted it enough, or something

532
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: along those lines, and it always stuck with me. And

533
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: what's funny is it applies all the time in different ways,

534
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: like if you if you've never been hungry, like if

535
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: you've never been the starving artist, then you've never fought

536
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: hard enough for it. But also like if you've never

537
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: wanted it that bad being hungry, how healthy it is

538
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: to be hungry for it? You know, it's okay to suffer.

539
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: If you, if you, if you, if you're suffering, you

540
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: have something to draw from, you know. And you get

541
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these people coming up, and they all

542
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: want to be superstars, and you know a lot of

543
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: their family members might have the money to help them

544
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: out and stuff like that, you know, and the you know,

545
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: the winlow spend all the money on their kids to

546
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: get him in, to get him in the studio. But

547
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: the kids don't want it bad enough because they don't

548
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: need it. They never struggled. There's a sense of entitlement

549
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: that comes with that. And this requires hard work. Yeah,

550
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: and I think I think all those things that you

551
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: want to help people with, things like you know, when

552
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: you who we spoke you and I one time we

553
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: were talking about just being hard to make a truck payment,

554
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to pay for your pickup,

555
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, it would be nice if someone

556
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: just said, hey, man, here's the extra few hundred bucks

557
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: this month, and here's an extra few hundred for the

558
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: next next month and next month. Yeah, thanks for the help.

559
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: But at the same time, that help is going to

560
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: take away a bit of a little bit of that

561
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: desperation that drive required to get to the next level.

562
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes the broken ladder is a good one

563
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: because it will teach you how to get that much

564
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: stronger to skip arong, you know. So, so that's that

565
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: is also necessary in my opinion. Well yeah, and that

566
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: that truck payment is the thing that puts you in

567
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: the position to have to take that cover gig that

568
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: you probably don't want, like I did. I mean you did.

569
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: You did it in New York. I did in l A.

570
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: I played other people's songs for people that didn't care

571
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: for a really long time. Um, but that's because I

572
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: had a truck payment, not because that's where my my

573
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: heart and soul was, but because I was getting to

574
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: do something I loved for people that didn't care, and

575
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: that still felt better than taking a job that was

576
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: gonna suck my soul. Yeah, I agree. Now I got

577
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: a question, So I got a question gave what was

578
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: it about? Because I'm sure other people have approached you,

579
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: right and being like, oh, can I ask you? I

580
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: want to be a songwriter? It what was it that that?

581
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: Because you obviously give a lot of advice and took

582
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: some time, and you're obviously you're a nice guy, but

583
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: it sounds like you went above and beyond with Brett. Now,

584
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: what was it about did you recognize something? I thought

585
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: he was sincere. You know, Brett was sincere. He you

586
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: know when you when you meet Brett, when you hang

587
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: with Brett, I think you can tell when Brett approaches

588
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: you that it's it's from It's always a respectable place, sorry,

589
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: a respectful place. And he has a humble uh demeanor

590
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: about him. You know, he is confidence, but he has

591
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: a nice humble demeanor and respectful demeanor. He's a likable guy,

592
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: you know. And so when he when he engaged me,

593
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I believed him and I saw myself in him. Of

594
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: I know the position he's in. He wants, he has

595
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: a dream, he has a goal. He's asking questions in

596
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: a respectful way. That that I felt like if I

597
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to meet somebody, um, I would have

598
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: done a similar type of thing or said similar types

599
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: of things, you know. And it sounded when he when

600
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: he asked me these questions, they sounded like they're coming

601
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: from a real place. They weren't just It wasn't just

602
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: a little quiz and an interview. It was someone who

603
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: was who had a goal and had a dream and

604
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: wanted real insight into how how how do I get there,

605
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And so that's where I liked about it.

606
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't just somebody being cozy. Hey, bro, so what's

607
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: it like on the first you know, with the U

608
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: and the uh you know what I'm saying. Bro, You know,

609
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that. You know, It's a different thing.

610
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: And I really I believed him when he So if

611
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: he had come up and said, hey, I bet you

612
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: get a lot of girls playing music, then you would

613
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: have been like, yeah, thanks buddy, Yeah exactly exactly. But

614
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: maybe if I hadn't yelled at him obnoxiously, it wouldn't

615
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: worked either. That was the gold moment. Brett. Maybe you

616
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: knew him better. Maybe you're like, hey, yeah, if you

617
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: want to get a steak, and he's like yes, Like okay,

618
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: just answer anything you want if you're kicking up a steak. Well,

619
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. It's funny because when he first

620
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: called called to me on the street, I was like,

621
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm about to get like harassed, heckled whatever,

622
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, And because I was out for a walk.

623
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: I was just going for a walking. It was the

624
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: middle of the night, I was alone. And then you

625
00:31:53,040 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: look at he's enormous, and you're like, exactly your spread,

626
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. He was sitting down and still the the

627
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: giant table looked like an airplane tray in front of vent,

628
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was like, oh man,

629
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: what's this guy? What's this guy? One? I was like,

630
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of big, damn. So I was like, you're

631
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: looking for improvised weapon. I swear, knowing what I know

632
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: about you, now, I can picture the way you got

633
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: off your phone call. You were like ready just in

634
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: case I was going to get aggressive. Never know where

635
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: you put your phone away, like preparing yourself for something terrible.

636
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: He just cracks a chair over your head. You're like,

637
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: I just want to ask a tell me about Hey, Bret,

638
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Bret Brett. I had a quick question. Is there was

639
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: there a period after when you realized baseball was sort

640
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: of coming to an end that you went down kind

641
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: of a a dark place or dark path, absolutely not

642
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: knowing that your singing career would take off. Yeah. Absolutely no,

643
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: before I even found Chariot, before I even saw that

644
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: as some sort of path or outlet for me. Um,

645
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: this is totally full circle because tomorrow I'm actually playing

646
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: a show at a casino in Fresno, and at the

647
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: time I was at Fresno State and the last turn

648
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: off before you get this casino was a lookout over

649
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: It's called Militant Lake and Fresno. And when the injury happened,

650
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: it was it was full blown depression. Yeah, I hadn't

651
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: had no drive at all. I didn't want to do anything,

652
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: but I still wanted to listen to music. And UM,

653
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: that first weekend after I found out I had to

654
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: have surgery, which was the weekend before I had surgery. UM,

655
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: Dave matthews Man was playing three nights in a row

656
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: at it was called Concorde Pavilion in Northern and we

657
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: went to all three and then I came back and

658
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: that whole week, every night we would drive up parking

659
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: that lookout and we're bringing like, you know, a case

660
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: of beer, and they'll be like four of us with guitars,

661
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: all terrible guitar players were just designated driver. Of course, yeah,

662
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: of course, what what what case of beer lasts for

663
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: four guys? Of course, it's only for three guys exactly,

664
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: so two guys to designated and we would literally just

665
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: try to dissect what is Dave doing here? This doesn't

666
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: make sense. And we were trying to learn how to

667
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: play guitar, and it was the only when I was

668
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: sitting there by the leg playing guitar, trying to learn

669
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: Dave Matthew songs, the only time I wasn't feeling depressed

670
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: about baseball. So that was already happening. And then I

671
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: went back to l A to have my surgery, thinking

672
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: I'd come back and play my senior m HM. And

673
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: through the rehab processes, like the beginning was going really well,

674
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: and so the depression was leaving a little bit, and

675
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna press my senior year. This is great,

676
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: and then uh, I got basically tendonitis and attendant that

677
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: wasn't designed to be in an elbow was designed to

678
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: be in a forearm, and that's a weird thing. And

679
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: so I had broke through all the scar too a

680
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: shoe and I could straighten my arm out and I

681
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: could throw. But once I got up on a mound

682
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: throwing downhill, I was feeling like this pain that felt

683
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: like the injury. But there then the m riot again

684
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, it's actually totally healthy. You just

685
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: have a little bit of information or tendonitis in the

686
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: tendon um, in this whole thing, and I just sunk

687
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: right back into it. And it got the worst when

688
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: season came around and I was still at like sevent

689
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: and they're like, if this doesn't clear up, you won't

690
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: pitch your senior either, and I just went, you know,

691
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: I think God gives you open and closed doors, you know.

692
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: And at baseball, I had been beating my head against

693
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: that door for a long time. List didn't work out.

694
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: It was all these didn't work out stories, and again

695
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: here's another one, and I finally went, you know what,

696
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight the fight of my life

697
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: to maybe get healthy in time for playoffs that we

698
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: might not make senior year. Like I think this is

699
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: it's a very clear picture for me. And so I

700
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: was when I had to make that decision, I was

701
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: down and out. And that's when I heard Chariot. So

702
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: you know what, nine months before, it was let's learn

703
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: a Dave matthews Man's song, and I'm depressed because I

704
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: hurt my arm, and then nine months later it's I

705
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna walk away from the sport. And then

706
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: I heard that and it was Chariot, and I was like,

707
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: I want to write my own music. I don't want

708
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: to just play on people's music. It was part of

709
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: you relieved to obviously you didn't want it and you

710
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: were fighting for baseboll continue. It was part of you

711
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: relieved when you finally made that decision. You said, and

712
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: you and you heard Jerry and he said, I found

713
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: a new path. You know, I could move on and

714
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm not struggling with the baseball thing because yeah, but

715
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: also way more scared, because like baseball was something that

716
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I turned down money out of high school.

717
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: I could have bought a house, an eighteen year old

718
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: owning a home, and now I'm a twenty to almost

719
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: one year old a month before twenty second birthday, going

720
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna chase down something even less predictable at two

721
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: years old and start over. Um it was it was, yeah,

722
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. It didn't make any sense to me at all.

723
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: But all I knew was like I I don't have

724
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: the capacity to sit behind a desk Monday through Friday

725
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: nine to five. And no I don't have it. No

726
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: I can't be good at it. I could be good

727
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: at it for like two hours a day. I want

728
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: to do it, and I want to do it, but

729
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: I can't. Like I can't what they call it working

730
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: for the man. I can't work for the man. I can't.

731
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: I just can't. It's my attention span. I can't do it.

732
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: I have to do something. If I don't care, I can't.

733
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: That's why I can't read. There's not There's never been

734
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: a book in the history of the world. That's why

735
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: you guys are buddies that you finished. Even if the

736
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: book is amazing, every single one has a dead spot.

737
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: And that's when I put it down and never pick

738
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: it up. You know, it's funny about reading. When I

739
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: read every word, says Ambien, I'm gonna say something that's

740
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna make me sounds right sleep, I go, I'm gonna agree.

741
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with you right now. If the book

742
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: was good enough, they'll make it a movie. There go, there,

743
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: you go. Okay, in the world the time to kill unforgiven.

744
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: I am a wait for the movie guy myself. And

745
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: that's why when I was in elementary school and we

746
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: had to do book reports, I would pick a choose

747
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: your own adventure that the teacher. I knew the teacher

748
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: had read, so I didn't have to read the book.

749
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: I just make it up. You know what I want

750
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: to touch on on your story there that I that

751
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: I absolutely loved and I resonate when I heard you

752
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: say it. I resonate personally with it is that sometimes

753
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: the gifts in our life are completely disguised as trauma

754
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: or what we think is the worst possible thing that

755
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 1: could happen to us. Like that injury that you experienced,

756
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: you might not be. You wouldn't be Let's be honest,

757
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't be a country music store where you

758
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: are today, even have met your wife, Like all of

759
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: this stuff might not have happened if that injury didn't occur,

760
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: which you thought was drove you into depression, you know,

761
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't have I wouldn't have met all of

762
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: you guys in this room had I not been released

763
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: from the l A Kings. You're very lucky and that

764
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: you have met us what those days, buddy, I will

765
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: say it's a gift, but it is it is for me,

766
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: Like I think of how my life has been blest

767
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: from what I deemed to be possibly the worst news

768
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: that I'd ever received, and how yours is the same

769
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: To hear that from you is amazing. I think about

770
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: our listeners. Oh there anybody else that's received news that

771
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: they think is just terrible. That's it could be the

772
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: biggest gift that you received. Could be absolutely correct. It

773
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: was for me, absolutely and you you know. The other

774
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: thing I really like about about what you guys are

775
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: saying and something that Brett said about being sort of

776
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, forced out of the sport or how God

777
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, opens and closes doors. Um, the beauty is, yes,

778
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: you left a sport that is really designed for youth,

779
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: but now you're now you're playing the ultimate lifetime sport,

780
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: which is music. Which is I mean Willie Nelson is

781
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: still on tour, you know what I mean? You your

782
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: longevity is a completely different word in music than it

783
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: isn't sports. You can you control your legacy. You decide

784
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: how long you're relevant. In baseball, when your body shuts down,

785
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: you're just not even before that, somebody else makes a decision, right,

786
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: my body didn't. God made a decision for me. Two

787
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: years old. God, God finally took my elbow away. And

788
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm a picture. I mean, it's it's there, you know.

789
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: I guess there's a few things that you could lose

790
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: your voice. But even then you don't have to stop

791
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: being a songwriter. I mean, there are so many like you.

792
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: You can live out your legacy as long as as

793
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: a musician. Beethoven lost his hearing incredibly. So you've made

794
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: this transition from sport, you've started write songs. You know

795
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: you want to continue to write songs. Now what comes where?

796
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: What's the next break where you now become what is it?

797
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: What's your first single? You've had five number one singles?

798
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: Take us through the now the professional journey. So Gavin

799
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: said this earlier today, but like it's it's ten years

800
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: plus that we've known each other, which means like that EP,

801
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: that's why that doesn't live anywhere anymore. Like that that

802
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: was like that was that was me testing the waters um.

803
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: I then went into the bar and restaurant gig scene

804
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: for ten years in Orange County in l a um

805
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: and I never got I mean, I love to tell

806
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: this story. I never got a meeting. I was playing

807
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: four to five nights a week for ten years, making

808
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: a living and never got a meeting. And finally, you know,

809
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: I was thirty one, almost thirty two, I had met

810
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: an investor that wanted to work with me, but he

811
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: was out of Atlanta and he had connections in Nashville,

812
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: and I finally just went, all right, I'm out. And

813
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: at the time, my wife and I had been together

814
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: for six years and had broken up, and so I

815
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going, I'm just gonna go, and I

816
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: was chasing down the songwriting side of things. Wait a second,

817
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: So that's even an other interesting thing of being a

818
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: bad thing turning into a good thing. You and your

819
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: wife had broken up at the time. Now, if you

820
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: were still together, you might not have packed up your

821
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: things and headed to Nashville. Yeah, you know what I mean.

822
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: Like I was lastie. I mean, she knew, she knew

823
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: she wasn't ready for what I wanted, and that it

824
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: would be good for me to go there. Like she

825
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: even even in us breaking up, she was trying to

826
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: take care of me. Now, were you married or dating

827
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: at the time? Dating? We had dated for six years

828
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: and and Nashville broke us up. Um, and it was

829
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we we got I mean, I know that

830
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: wasn't the question. We got back together two years later

831
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: by accident. We're married with the baby on the way.

832
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Our Stories eleven years, our stories as long as me

833
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: and Gavin's eleven years. Imagine what our baby would look

834
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: like you and me, bro Dude, I hope it looked

835
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: like brat, what a baby are you? Are you offended

836
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: if I don't want to imagine that? So then what

837
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: was the first hit single that really put you on

838
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: the map? So that I didn't have an opinion about

839
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the first single, I just knew that as a new artist,

840
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: I was watching what everybody was doing, and I knew

841
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: that I was being given an opportunity later in life.

842
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure, like I'm I would

843
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: if left to my own devices, give me a bottle

844
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: of whiskey, guitar and I right ballads and love songs

845
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: and breakup songs all day every day. That's who I

846
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: am as an artist. But I knew that wasn't the

847
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: right way to introduce myself to the world. And I

848
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: only had three up tempo tempo songs in the first record,

849
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: and one of them I had written about my mom

850
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: and dad and their relationship, and so I went, well,

851
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: I still want I still want to mean it and

852
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: have it be important to me. So we went with

853
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: Sleep Without You, because um My senior year in high school. Um,

854
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: my curfew was always ten except four on game days

855
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: basketball season game days because the game would end around ten,

856
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: I was allowed to go eat with the with the

857
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: team before, so I had twelve on Friday game days.

858
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: We played every Tuesday and Friday. And uh, this one weekend,

859
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: my dad's like, a he's a pastor, he's early to

860
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: bed guy. Um, and this one week and my mom

861
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: was away on a women's retreat with the church. And

862
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: I came in Friday at curfew at twelve, and my

863
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: dad's like, and he's sitting up at midnight when I

864
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: walk in watching Sports Center. If you know sports that's

865
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: an hour program, so if you're watching at midnight. And

866
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: I walked in, I said, Dad, what are you doing?

867
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: And he's like, it's just still hard to sleep in

868
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: our bed when mom's not here. And that stuck with me.

869
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't writing songs yet. I was eighteen. I mean,

870
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. And uh, it was

871
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: a title that I wrote down. You know, it was

872
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: this title that woke me up. You know we're talking

873
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: about me. I woke up, wrote it down, and went

874
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: back to sleep, and then I got home with a

875
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: couple of guys and we wrote this song about like

876
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: years later, like how this is our bed together, so

877
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: when you're not here, it's hard for me to go

878
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: to sleep. I'm living it now. When I wrote it,

879
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't living it. I live it now. It's it's

880
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: really bus art and I have my wife next to me. Um.

881
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: But when I was picking a single, I knew I

882
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: wanted up tempo and that was the only one that

883
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: was that personal to me, and so that's why we

884
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: picked it. I love that authenticity. Man, Yeah, kudos to you.

885
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Thanks good guess that's awesome. I love hearing like musical

886
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: journeys like this was not a part of my life

887
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: as an athlete. Now hearing this, it's a beautiful art.

888
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: It's I learned through you, I learned through your friends,

889
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: people that come on the show. It's an absolutely beautiful craft.

890
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: I know that it's coming across in this conversation like

891
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm anywhere near like I live music anywhere near as

892
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: much as Gavin. I've never met anybody that lives music

893
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: more than Gavin. To grow literally, I'm not just saying

894
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: that to like like fluff you up. I will if

895
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: you need me to do. We'll talk about no. But

896
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: but but I'm I'm being serious. It takes me back

897
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: to Hawaii, not just like a coffee shop thing. But

898
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: I remember we were walking through that international marketplace in

899
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: Honolulu on that trip and you were like you walk

900
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: through and you like touched and awning as we were

901
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: walking through, but you like, we're walking ahead by yourself,

902
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, and then you did it again,

903
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: but you put both hands up. And I didn't know

904
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: you well at all at the time, and I was like,

905
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: like this guy us and I walked up and I

906
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: asked you. I remember asking you. We were about to

907
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: walk into a little bar with your band, me, you

908
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: and Liver, and I walked up to you and I

909
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: was like, were you measuring something? And you were like what?

910
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: And I explained this whole what I was talking about,

911
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: Like you you had your hands and you were like,

912
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't know what I was doing. But

913
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: I had a song idea, you said to me just

914
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: coming out through you were you were having like song

915
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: ideas as we were all walking together to go to

916
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: a bar and hang out. And I remember thinking like,

917
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm bad at this. Well, no ideas like that that

918
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: often this is crazy, but that song Awning never came out,

919
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: so it was Cannopy's Oh man, I love this gets

920
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: you in your head. You know the music you can't

921
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: shut it off. I'm there comes out of your body

922
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: and you know, people be talking to you and you

923
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: just you go somewhere else, you know. Yeah, well that's

924
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: that's right. Can you imagine how people you have to

925
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: give a songwriting credit to if you let them know

926
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: that something they said out loud you wrote down and

927
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: wrote the song. That's amazing. Hold on your right. I'm

928
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: gonna get I'm gonna get a transcript of all our

929
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: podcasts and see if like one line ends up in

930
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: one of your songs, and then I'm getting royalty. I

931
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: just put sorry. Brooks is like, does this song on

932
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: the ice have anything to do with my hot? So

933
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: you had one hit single? Then when did the second

934
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: one come out? When did the next number one come? Uh? Next?

935
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: This gig is easy, Hey, that baseball gig is easy.

936
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, just because from from

937
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: the artists perspective of something, when you had your first hit,

938
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: were you feeling cool now I'll have another hit? Great?

939
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: Let me ride the wave or were you thinking, no,

940
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: terrified more responsibility? Yes wa wa yeah because one hit

941
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: wonder is nobody wants that. Uh you know, like I'm

942
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: not going to name a name, but you and I

943
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: went and had like a late night breakfast with somebody

944
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: in l A that I'm a big fan of. But

945
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: they were one and done. You know who I'm talking about. Like,

946
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: it doesn't lessen your talent or but like if you

947
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: get put in that category, you are done. Damn Like

948
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: you're it's almost as bad as sophomore slump on the

949
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: second record. It's like everybody said, you, so you got

950
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: one under your belt. You feel uncomfortable now. I was like,

951
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I wrote three d songs from my second record.

952
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: I brought writers on every single run we did. They

953
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: were I had riders on the bus for all fifty

954
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: three Lady Annabellum date. When while my first record was

955
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: out there, it was not it was pedal to the metal,

956
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: let's go, I love this. This is this is the

957
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: kind of hustle honestly that people don't get to see.

958
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: They see your success, but they don't see this. But

959
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: but also it's I think the nineteen year old kid

960
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: that's entitled that's given a record deal too young, or

961
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: took the wrong record deal and spent the money. They're

962
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: sleeping on somebody's couch with no bills, no over Like

963
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I had a I had a life to

964
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: afford when I like almost and you have this story

965
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: you turned down record deals like it has to be

966
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: right for you in your life at the time. And

967
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: these kids that have no skin in the game, had

968
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: no bills and nothing to take care of. It's easy

969
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: to piss it away. So for me, it's like, I

970
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: know that I started this late. I know I'm very

971
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: blessed to have it. I know it could go away

972
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: at any time. It's my job to keep it here

973
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: longevity as long as I can. So it's it's you know,

974
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: as an athlete, you understand this. You get out what

975
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: you put in. Yeah, and I think athletes are successful

976
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: in music because of that that work ethic. You have it,

977
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: you never turn it off. It's but that's that's that

978
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: just doesn't telling me I have a chance a million.

979
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: That's what I took from that. Yeah, man, we've ever

980
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: done right there. It's a good title to Yeah, I

981
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: gotta Eastern. If one of these microphones go missing, don't

982
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: worry about it and the comforter practice. Right before we

983
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: say goodbye to you, we got to send a massive

984
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: shout out to Planet Hollywood absolutely for this great, great

985
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: great We've had a ball and the food has been delicious,

986
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: amazing food. They hooked us up. Got a great place,

987
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: nice couch, even enough room for all this fantastic circular

988
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: couch works well for the podcast. I think we'll have

989
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: to come back to podcasts here again. Also shake Shack.

990
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: We had shake Shack last night. That was fun. Yeah,

991
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: we went there after the concert. So shout out to

992
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: Shape And if you are looking for a shake Shack location,

993
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: go to shake shack dot com or the shack app.

994
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: Did you know that you find yourself a shake Shack

995
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: wherever you go. So thank you Plan in Hollywood, Thank

996
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: you shake Shack. Uh Brett, I love your story, dude,

997
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming to share with. Where

998
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: can people find you? Where can you have a new

999
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: album coming out? Where? Obviously on iTunes everything We actually

1000
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: we actually did just put out a new acoustic project,

1001
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: uh that Gavin sang on with our song Chapters played

1002
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: and sang and it's such a special song. Um and

1003
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: uh there's some new stuff that you'll be hearing about

1004
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: kind of soon. We might kind of break the album

1005
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: cycle for a minute to put out I've written a

1006
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: song about my daughter that I'm really proud of, and

1007
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: we might we might put that out early just to

1008
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: to give people more content. But great, I will always

1009
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: be putting things out. And then online do you engage

1010
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: with people online? Bretton music dot com and all the

1011
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: socials are outbrighting music and yes, absolutely, I'm very active

1012
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: on socials. My wife, Taylor Mills Young is also she's

1013
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: better than me, so if you want to go check

1014
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: her out too. She's always uh, she's better at talking

1015
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: about what I'm doing than I am, so you can

1016
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: get even more content from her socials. But yeah, we're

1017
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: we're active and we want to be connected to the community. Awesome.

1018
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: And then baby on the way for you guys. We're

1019
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: about three weeks away first beautiful little girl. So we're

1020
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: so excited. Well, we should get you out of here

1021
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: so you can catch that plane and head back home.

1022
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Thank you, look after that, lady, Thank you guys for

1023
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: having me. This is a this is a blast. I

1024
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: hope I hope like that. People don't listen to us

1025
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: and then think that like this is actually how men think.

1026
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just kidding. We're the best. Thank you

1027
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: having an egg sandwich and let's take a break. Thank

1028
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: you Buddy so much for sharing your story, for coming

1029
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: in a friend of the show. Thanks Gavin for hooking

1030
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: this up, and thank you everybody for listening Brett stories.

1031
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: Incredible people out there listening. Um I say this all

1032
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: the time. Everything is an opportunity and that's how you

1033
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: worked at that injury and you've taken it and created

1034
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: an amazing life. So uh, that's it for today until

1035
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: next week. Take care of one another, love one another,

1036
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: and we'll see you back here on How Men Thinks.

1037
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: Great job man, Thanks