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Speaker 1: Ruthie's Table four presented by Sky Cold Open.

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Speaker 2: You want to be silent, don't be a journalist. I

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Speaker 2: think part of our responsibility is to question and challenge

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Speaker 2: those warring power and if we don't do that, then

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Speaker 2: we're not doing our job as journalists. And our job

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Speaker 2: mainly is of forth reporting the reality as it is,

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Speaker 2: but to questions those warring power. Introduction.

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Speaker 1: Growing up as I did in the sixties, the United

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Speaker 1: States was a tumultuous time. The assassinations at President Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: Malcolm X, Martin, Luther King, the Vietnam War, Kent State, Watergates, Selma,

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Speaker 1: and much much more. In a frightening world, journalists were

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Speaker 1: heroes seeking the truth with integrity and courage, and so

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Speaker 1: today when we need them more than ever, it was

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Speaker 1: thrilling to be introduced to two extraordinary journalists, father and daughter,

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Speaker 1: Jorge Ramon and Paula Ramon, listening to their podcast, The

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Speaker 1: Moment is a revelation, a question, they analyze and they

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Speaker 1: report Hurricane. Paula and I live in different countries and

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Speaker 1: have different professions, but I feel there are strong connections.

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Speaker 1: There's Mexico food, friendship and truth. I also have the

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Speaker 1: feeling this is just the beginning of a strong friendship.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, beautiful introduction for inviting us.

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Speaker 1: Are not thrilled. Now we have one way of doing this,

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Speaker 1: which is that everybody who's on the podcast, that would

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Speaker 1: you read a recipe? And I was trying to think

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Speaker 1: of a recipe to choose for you, because I am

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Speaker 1: passionate about the food of your country and such. The

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Speaker 1: recipe with beans Bilotti beans which are Italian and Languestine,

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Speaker 1: which are you know, the crayfish they call them. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what. But with the Languistine the small lobstricts.

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Speaker 2: So interesting that you're saying that because us My mom

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Speaker 2: always cook for Christmas and for the end of the

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Speaker 2: year sapa the camaron caldo the cameroon, and so it's

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Speaker 2: a shrimp soup, very very spicy. And I remember the

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Speaker 2: mornings of December twenty fourth, in December thirty first, that

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Speaker 2: she would wake up very early in the morning. She

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Speaker 2: eat it, it was it was my mom's spirit going

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Speaker 2: through that. But so I've been following for for the

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Speaker 2: rest of my life that special flavor of caldo the Cameroon,

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Speaker 2: the shrimp soup, and I'm telling you, I haven't been

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Speaker 2: able to find it. My mom, fortunately she's alive, but

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Speaker 1: She goes to Mexico and get that recipe.

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Speaker 2: But my sister somehow she got there. And and whenever

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Speaker 2: I go to Spain where she lives, I have calto

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Speaker 2: Can you describe it? It's very spicy lemonie with with

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Speaker 2: with with garlic. You have to get the little shrimp

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Speaker 2: from the from the market. Dry shrimp is dry. It's

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Speaker 2: dry shrimp, so they get it. You have to get

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Speaker 2: it in the morning or the day before, and then

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Speaker 2: Once they do that, they fried it and after that

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Speaker 2: on the side they would create a broth again spicy

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Speaker 2: lemone with with oil and so many different species that

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Speaker 2: I cannot even remember, uh, And then they put it

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Speaker 2: you have it, it's really it's really a treasure for you.

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Speaker 1: And you do have it at Christmas, something that.

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Speaker 2: We used to have it at Christmas, at Christmas and

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Speaker 2: for that because for some reason, I don't know why,

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Speaker 3: I've never seen you, I've never seen him be so

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Speaker 3: so passionate when you talk about it, No, truly, but

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Speaker 3: I think that that speaks to the memories that come up.

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Speaker 2: Because as I'm an immigrant, I came to the United States,

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Speaker 2: and as I'm an immigrant, you lose so many different things.

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Speaker 2: So food is a way of bringing me back to

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Speaker 2: And then when you're an immigrant, food brings you back

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Speaker 4: And and Caldo the came Aron the shream soup, tacosal pastor

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Speaker 4: what is that well, tacos the tacos that you have

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Speaker 2: You you can walk any neighborhood and then you would

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Speaker 2: legs so the sauce and the lemon and the sausage

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Speaker 2: I'm always looking for the best tack wall pastor all

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Speaker 2: over the all over the world, all over the world.

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Speaker 2: And then no, no, no, the one that I remember

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking for that flavor that I had when

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Speaker 2: I was twenty, when I was twenty one, before I

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Speaker 2: not sure if I've ever gone to find the same

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Speaker 1: Now, that's a good question.

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Speaker 2: As an you're always looking for that, for that food

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Speaker 2: that brings you back, like Marcel proofs, is the time

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Speaker 2: lost somehow you think you can get it back, Yes,

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Speaker 2: by by eating the same thing. And then every once

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Speaker 2: I find that that that bite that brings me back

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Speaker 2: to Mexico, there's something spiritual, something something happens. I'm not religious,

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Speaker 2: but in that moment, I'm as young as ten years old,

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Speaker 1: Right now, that is food. And do you feel as

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Speaker 1: the next generation? What is your what are your mem

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Speaker 1: you know your feelings about that?

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Speaker 3: I think when you when you look at the picture

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Speaker 3: of what our family is now. I have a Mexican dad,

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Speaker 3: my mom is Cuban. I grew up in Madrid, but

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Speaker 3: I was born in Miami. Wow, and so exactly. But

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Speaker 3: I think it speaks to in a way the way

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Speaker 3: in which our family has been fragmented, but also I

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Speaker 3: on to these identities through these memories that my dad

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Speaker 3: is talking about, right and food. For me, in a way,

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Speaker 3: it has been honestly the closest thing that I've had,

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Speaker 3: for instance, to to feeling Cuban right like my my

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Speaker 3: at least on my mom's side, they have spent their

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Speaker 3: are two things. No. Number one the Inuano cortaido, specifically

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Speaker 3: It probably gave my grandfather two heart attacks or two

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Speaker 3: was every afternoon and we would have our good value together.

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Speaker 1: At one age, I mean so when you were young, even.

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Speaker 3: From since I was young until he passed away when

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Speaker 1: One day. I'll tell you the story that one day

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Speaker 1: my husband, he was the architect with red zap piano

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Speaker 1: Italian's always like probably like the perhaps the Cubans put.

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Speaker 3: I mean their sugar everywhere, but specifically that condensed milk

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Speaker 3: and obviously, you know, my my dad ends up in

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Speaker 3: Miami as a Mexican journalist for work. But I think

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Speaker 3: Miami in that sense brings together I think people that

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Speaker 3: so that you introviewed Castro.

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Speaker 2: Fidel Castro, I was Castro tall, and he asked me

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Speaker 3: Been, and which almost gave him a hard a time,

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Speaker 3: of course, because I went one time when when Obama

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Speaker 3: I did. I visited where my mom was born. I

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Speaker 1: That Venezuela could also be Rubia's US Cuba.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the idea that even the most you know,

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Speaker 3: To trade my dad. Yeah, I mean every single night

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Speaker 2: it is very difficult. And sometimes when I'm in Mexico,

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Speaker 2: I'm told you betray the country. You left the so

438
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Speaker 2: you're not Mexican. And here in the United.

439
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Speaker 1: States, I think who would say that, Well, even.

440
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Speaker 2: Some friends, even members of the family, who might think

441
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: that I did the wrong thing by leaving the country.

442
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: And then now that I'm in the United States, especially

443
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: in the last ten years, many people think that I

444
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 2: don't belong to this country and they tell you openly

445
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: not just go back to your country, go back to

446
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Speaker 2: your country. So that's why to be an immigrant is

447
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: my identity. And then and that that's something that you

448
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: really cannot cannot change. Maybe maybe it's the time. Maybe

449
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: if it was an over time it would be it

450
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: would be different, that you would feel welcome every word,

451
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: not anymore.

452
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Speaker 1: Do you feel do you feel that identity? No?

453
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Speaker 3: I mean I sure I've gone through moments of identity crisis,

454
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Speaker 3: for sure, But I think I think that's the one

455
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Speaker 3: of the distinguishing factors between these generations, right, I think

456
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 3: the second third generation, I think we have understood, like

457
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Speaker 3: my brother and I have understood that we can hold

458
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: many different things at once and that and that that

459
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Speaker 3: in and of itself is American. No, that is that

460
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: is an American identity. I think I look at my parents' generation,

461
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: I look at other generations of other Latinos that are

462
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: way less privileged than we are, right, that have to

463
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: kind of like tiptoe around things, or have to assimilate,

464
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: or have to change their accents, or have to conform

465
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: to whatever they think means and looks American. And I

466
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 3: think we know the quote like younger generations. I think

467
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 3: we've understood that you can and should be proud and

468
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 3: I and I do sense that difference between us, right

469
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: Like I think I look at my parents, I look

470
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: at my grandparents, and I think there was a little

471
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: bit of that game, no, of trying to conform. And

472
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: at the same time, I think the yearning is real,

473
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: you know that this idea of even even thinking about

474
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: like where does one where does where does one spend

475
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: the last years of one's life? No, for my grandfather,

476
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: the dream was always to go back to Cuba. And

477
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: I think for you, Dad, for many years you've you

478
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: I at least played with the idea of going back

479
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: to Mexico one day, even exactly for for my mom,

480
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: I think she chose Spain because Cuba is too far

481
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: and so you know, a framing New York City is home. Yeah,

482
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: but I am you know, I'm always. I'm always. I've

483
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: fabricated this idea of what I think, where I think

484
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: I come from. And I think to my dad's point

485
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: of going to Mexico and not feeling Mexican enough being

486
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: here and not feeling American enough, I sometimes feel that,

487
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: you know.

488
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: I've been an immigrant for since I was nineteen, because

489
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: I went to England for six months and ended up

490
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: living there fifty years. And I think if you talk

491
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: to a lot of my grandchildren, that's daughters of my sons,

492
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: very often their identity will not be their country, it

493
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: will be their city. They will say I'm a Londoner

494
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: rather than I'm British. That even gets more extreme, you know,

495
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: they'll say I'm from Brooklyn, I'm not from Yeah.

496
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: I feel that that's true.

497
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: Okay, And you know, people, and I think that identity

498
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: is so complicated now, so where we you know, what

499
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: we identify with as an American. I know that right

500
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: now when everybody says to me, you're so lucky, and

501
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, to be out of America right now,

502
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: there's part of me that's never wanted to be there more.

503
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: You know, I think I should go back, I should fight,

504
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: I should oppose, we should you know what am I doing?

505
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: And you know? And then people who want to leave

506
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: as part of their identities because the politics are so

507
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: so wrong that they want to leave it.

508
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Speaker 2: In the city where where I live, in Miami, it's

509
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: a city where you find millions of people fleeing from

510
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: other countries. So so it's a city full of immigrants

511
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: of foreigners, and that that the term is also your

512
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: your identity. I promise I won't get too much into

513
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: politiciz No. But now that that we have all these

514
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: conversations Venezuela and what happened with with Nicolas Maduro, there

515
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: are hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans in in Miami. They

516
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: were celebrating what happened, even though politicians are saying different things. Okay,

517
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: what's interesting is that Venezuelans right now talking about food,

518
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: they're saying they didn't come for the arepas. In other words,

519
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: the Americans didn't go to Venezuela for the arepas. The

520
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: APAs is what is theas is? Imagine a small thick tortilla, Yeah,

521
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: which is the natural food in in in in Venezuela.

522
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: So it's interesting that Venezuelans uh in the next we're

523
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: talking more than eight million people, they are defining the

524
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: political situation in food terms. In other words, the Americans

525
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: didn't come for for the food. The Americans didn't come

526
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: for the arepas, and and and nothing that is. That's

527
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: that phrase explains pretty much what's happening right now now that.

528
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Speaker 3: This all makes me think of just because we keep

529
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: talking about immigration in politics, I feel like one of

530
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: the things that I think we're living through as a country,

531
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: or I think the breaking point that I see is

532
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: that all of these stories and all of us even

533
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: know this idea of coming to the US, immigrating to

534
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: the US. I think the breaking point now is that

535
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: everything is about reverse migration. Right like the trend now

536
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: is to no longer come north now, the trend now

537
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: is to no longer look at the US as this

538
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: like beacon of hope. The numbers and this is all

539
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: like numbers. Now, the numbers point to something that is

540
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: culminating into I think generation of immigrants that are leaving.

541
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Speaker 3: And I mentioned this because I think, perhaps, you know,

542
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: I think this country has debated for decades at this point,

543
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: like what is the value of an immigrant? And is

544
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: it economics? Is it whatever it is? Perhaps finally, you know,

545
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: when people keep leaving, keep leaving, with their cultures, with

546
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: their foods closing rest rounds, the food disappears, like maybe, right,

547
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: that is that is the way in which America starts

548
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: to truly understand now the value of immigrants. And imagine

549
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: it's because it's happening as we speak. You know, Venezuela

550
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: is happening all this, but but immigrants are leaving, and

551
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: with that food leaves as well.

552
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: The numbers one point six million have self deported, self supported.

553
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: So would you stay in the country where you exactly?

554
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: They don't want to be put on an airplane.

555
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: And when parents leave in the morning to work, they

556
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: don't know if they're going to see their children again.

557
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: There's a song in Mexico, I promise not to sing

558
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: for a couple.

559
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: Of butt you've been listening to the I didn't have

560
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: to do that.

561
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: I did that. I did my homework. But but there's

562
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: a song in Mexico called e bolbeert Bolbert Bolbert, which

563
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: means and go back, go back, go back to your

564
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: arms again. That's that's what many many Mexicans are singing

565
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: right now, are actually acting upon going back to the country.

566
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: And then maybe that's it. That's a dream of every

567
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: immigrant to be able to go back to your country authority.

568
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Well maybe, well, well, as I said, I still my

569
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: family is there, my children are there, my work is there,

570
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: my husband's architecture. But I do feel, you know, except

571
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: for Las Vegas, which is a little bit of a part.

572
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: We haven't told everyone listening that we actually actually this

573
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: is coming live from Las Vegas, which is another world,

574
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: isn't it. And I actually I thought a little bit

575
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: about Francis when I came here, because do you remember

576
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: those scenes in The Godfather. It's the very beginning of

577
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and how this all you know, came out.

578
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 3: We're also in a huge political hub, and I mean

579
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: this has been a battleground city and state, and there

580
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 3: is a the Mexican spot that every candidate stops by.

581
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: So maybe that's another right to try you.

582
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: You kept I know, you worked for Hillary Clinton and

583
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: Obama and Biden.

584
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: I did, yeah, and then I left police.

585
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: And then who was the best it was? Where was

586
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: the best food?

587
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: Which the best food?

588
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Clinton?

589
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: The best food? I with?

590
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Did you eat in the White House?

591
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: Did I know? I did eat at the White I

592
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: did the West Wing. But I gained weight at the

593
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: White House, I for sure, Yeah, because I mean you

594
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: just sat there for like twelve hours of the day.

595
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Speaker 3: But also that's where people understood how bad my my

596
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: coffee making skills were. Because the beginning of my of

597
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: my adventure at the White House, I was like twenty

598
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: two years old. I was working in the Obama administration.

599
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: So I was an assistant. I was an assistant to

600
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: doctor Biden when she was a second Lady, and and

601
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: oftentimes fifty percent of my job was to make coffee.

602
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Speaker 5: Today.

603
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Very bad.

604
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta keep it.

605
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: No, No, I've asked. I interviewed for people who worked

606
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: in the White House, and I always ask you know,

607
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: what was what did you eat? What did you eat?

608
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: Did you eat in downstairs in the mess now that.

609
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: I'm remembering and remembering when I was working for the

610
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: Bidens during the first Obama administration, we spend a lot

611
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 3: of time in nave ops now the Naval Observatory, which

612
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: is where Vice President Biden and Doctor Biden would live.

613
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: And the parties that they would throw right like the

614
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: Christmas parties Thanksgiving. The food was very good, very very

615
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 3: good people. I mean, yes, people would go for them,

616
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 3: but the food was always a plus.

617
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: I remember that, are you talking about the White House

618
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: before the State of the Union? Presidents they have the

619
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: the tradition is that journalists go to eat with the

620
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: president before the State of the Union. And I went

621
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: a couple of times with President Obama and I was

622
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: always surprised that he didn't eat. Yeah, everybody would eating

623
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: just like a salad, not not really right food, but

624
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: he wouldn't need it at all at all.

625
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: What is your work now? What are you working on?

626
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: So after the twenty sixteen campaign, I left politics, and

627
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: I loved because I think I obviously probably influenced by

628
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 3: a father as a journalist. My mom is a journalist,

629
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: my grandfather was a journalist, and so I think inevitably,

630
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: inevitably I was going to end up being as crazy

631
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: as them. And so I think being inside of politics,

632
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: particularly that campaign where so much of my job was Clinton.

633
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 3: The Clinton campaign. Yeah, so much of my job in

634
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: that campaign was was around understanding the Latino vote. And

635
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 3: John Podesto was there, and so we thought we knew right,

636
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: We thought that we understood the numbers, and every number

637
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 3: was pointing to this idea that in the face of

638
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 3: someone like Donald Trump, that Latinos would kind of rise

639
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: in these unprecedented numbers and that it would be this

640
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: historic wave against Donald Trump. And that didn't happen. So

641
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 3: I think in that moment, which you dad, my dad

642
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: that was outside and reporting, and he would call me

643
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: when I was in the Clinton headquarters and he would say,

644
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, you guys aren't seeing what we're seeing on

645
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: the ground right. What we're seeing on the ground is

646
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: a country that is about to favor Trump and me

647
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: from inside the political bubble, I wouldn't believe him. So

648
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: I think that that moment for me was was kind

649
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: of what pushed me out of politics and drove me

650
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: into journalism. And for the past, you know, since twenty

651
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: sixteen until now, I've I've been deep in it. I've

652
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: spent many years with with Vice News, doing documentaries and

653
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: traveling the world, making my parents very very worried, very worried,

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Speaker 3: and I do you know, I'm a contributor with MSNBC,

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Speaker 3: and then so I'm I'm deep in it and it

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Speaker 3: feels right.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about the podcast. Tell us how it started,

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Speaker 1: because you're, as you said, you're new on the blog

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Speaker 1: and this is anything. Tell us everything about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it started simply because Apalla grew up as a

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Speaker 2: teenager in another country, and this was an incredible opportunity

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Speaker 2: for us to work together this year.

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Speaker 3: In particular there, I think people feel very overwhelmed with

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Speaker 3: the news. I think there's a tendency to want to

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Speaker 3: kind of tune out. And more than anything, I think

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Speaker 3: everyone can say that people are trying to make sense

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Speaker 3: of what's happening, yeah, and doing it with nuance. I

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Speaker 3: think both of us come obviously from a world of

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Speaker 3: mainstream media, and I think the podcast gives us something

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Speaker 3: that I think we've never experienced in our life in journalism,

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Speaker 3: which is the privilege of time, the privilege of having

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Speaker 3: one hour with one guest to truly break down some

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Speaker 3: of the most complicated issues and do it with nuance

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Speaker 3: and with care and to I think for me one

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Speaker 3: of the best part is to suddenly see a different

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Speaker 3: part of someone that you thought you knew, or a

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Speaker 3: different part of the news, and you can only truly

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Speaker 3: do that through this platform.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I think we've spent so many years talking in soundbites,

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Speaker 3: responding to news, doing breaking news, and so to have this,

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Speaker 3: I think our hope is that that we simply allow

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Speaker 3: people to have a better understanding and to trust, which

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Speaker 3: I think trust is being lost now there's the era

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Speaker 3: of trusting news is almost gone.

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Speaker 2: For forty years, I was doing five minute interviews and

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Speaker 2: then of course you started five minutes. That was at

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Speaker 2: the most. I was doing a newscast for thirty eight years.

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Speaker 2: So this is the first opportunity that I have to

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Speaker 2: tell what I to the people, how I feel, and

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Speaker 2: to put it in perspective, not just report the news.

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Speaker 2: I was not supposed and I never did give my opinion,

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Speaker 2: but now it's a wonderful opportunity. And then just to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what's happening. And especially for Latinos, we're underrepresented.

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Speaker 2: There are about sixty five million Latinos right now. Percent

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Speaker 2: of the population, and we.

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Speaker 1: Say that there are how many Latinas.

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Speaker 2: Sixty five million, sixty living in the United States, So

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Speaker 2: one in five people in the United States. Twenty percent

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Speaker 2: of the population is Latino. But you see you turn

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Speaker 2: on the TV, you go to the movies, go to

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Speaker 2: city hall, talk to politicians, political parties, and we're not there.

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Speaker 2: You don't see us. We're invisible. No, that twenty percent

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Speaker 2: doesn't appear anywhere. And I think part of what we

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Speaker 2: are doing with the podcast is making sure that we

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Speaker 2: are seeing that we're not invisible, that we're part of

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Speaker 2: this country, that that people know that we're not criminals

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Speaker 2: and rapists and terrorists, that we are part of the country.

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Speaker 2: I think Venezuela's going to stay with us for a

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Speaker 2: while and then at the end of the year is

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Speaker 2: going to be the midterm elections and how Trump is

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Speaker 2: changing the world.

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Speaker 1: Have you met him? You got the yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: couldn't say it's well, he knew I were You said,

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Speaker 1: excuse me.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and he wanted me just to wait for him

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Speaker 2: to give me to the authorization to speak. As a journalist,

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Speaker 2: you don't do that. There's a space you ask a question,

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Speaker 2: and that's it. So I was ejected by a body

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Speaker 2: by his bodyguard, and then we said, this is dangerous,

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Speaker 2: this is against the fremeral of the press. Nobody pays

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Speaker 2: nobody pays attention to us. I think we were right.

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Speaker 2: This is not a time to be silent. If you

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Speaker 2: want to be silent, don't be a journalist. I think

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Speaker 2: part of our responsibility is to question and challenge those

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Speaker 2: who are in power. And if we don't do that,

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Speaker 2: then we're not doing our jobs as journalists. Part of

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Speaker 2: the problem with we trust and what people are not

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Speaker 2: trusting journalist is because we're not doing our job. And

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Speaker 2: our job mainly is of course reporting the reality as

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Speaker 2: it is, but to questions those war in power.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's what we need you and thank you for

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Speaker 1: taking the time. One last question, which is that we

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Speaker 1: ask everybody a question, both of you to answer each

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Speaker 1: of you. The food is staying hunger, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: food is a way of sharing. Food is a way

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Speaker 1: of expressing love and welcoming your home and welcoming you

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Speaker 1: back to the country. It's also comfort and so my

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Speaker 1: last question to each of you is if you reach

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Speaker 1: for food for comfort, what food would that be?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easy for me. I mean when I'm always

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Speaker 2: looking for the best tacos, tacos pastor and because he'll

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Speaker 2: bring me back to my childhood and will bring me

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Speaker 2: back to the country that I left. So I'm looking

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Speaker 2: for the not for the best tacos, but the same

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Speaker 2: flavor that I had when I was when I was

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Speaker 2: a kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and for me, I think of, tell us what

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Speaker 3: that is black beans? My grandma's black beans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, idea.

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Speaker 3: It is, but that but that's that's my my Cuban grandmother's,

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Speaker 3: like the the one recipe that she still stands by

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Speaker 3: that she learned from her mother in Cuba, from her

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Speaker 3: great grandmother who was Lebanese and ended up in Cuba.

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Speaker 3: And it's these these black beans that she does with

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Speaker 3: like so much care and love. And yes it's the taste,

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Speaker 3: but it's the smell of of like of venturing that

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Speaker 3: house on Miami. That's the same smell that I feel

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Speaker 3: when I enter the house in Madrid. And so that consistency,

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Speaker 3: I think of a family that has lived everywhere. I

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Speaker 3: love that. That's the beans. I don't even know if

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Speaker 3: you like.

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