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Speaker 1: Life never stops teaching. It is us who stop learning.

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Speaker 1: The day you stop learning is the day you start dying.

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Speaker 1: The best selling authoring most the number one health and

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Speaker 1: wellness podcast and Purpose with Jay Sheetty.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one

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Speaker 2: health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every

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Speaker 2: one of you that come back every week to become happier,

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Speaker 2: healthier and more healed, which is our mission here On

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Speaker 2: Purpose to help you live happier, healthier, more healed lives.

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Speaker 2: And today's guest is someone who's been on the show before,

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Speaker 2: but someone that I always find fascinating, not just because

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Speaker 2: of his insights or takeaways, but more so how he

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Speaker 2: approaches problems, how he.

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Speaker 2: I've always been really intrigued by how he can look

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Speaker 2: at things from completely different angles and perspectives. I'm speaking

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Speaker 2: about none other than Navine Jane Award winning book Moonshots,

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Speaker 2: Creating a World of Abundance. Navin's current Moonshot adventures are

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Speaker 2: and Moon Express and as a serial entrepreneur, Navien previously

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Speaker 2: founded Infospace Intellius and talent Wise. Andome's singular mission is

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Speaker 2: to make illness optional, which I find so brilliant and

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Speaker 2: I'm so curious about. Navin has been the recipient of

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Speaker 2: many honors for his entrepreneurial successes. These awards include Entrepreneur

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Speaker 2: of the Year by Ernst and Young, and Most Creative

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Speaker 2: Person by Fast Company and Top twenty Entrepreneurs. Please welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show, Navin, Jane Navin, it's good to have

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Speaker 2: you back on on Purpose. It's good to have you

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Speaker 2: back on the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, jaf First of all, it's always such a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to see you. It's such a pleasure to be on

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Speaker 1: your show, and I think your energy and your positivity

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Speaker 1: always brings such a joy to my life.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, well, you're very kind.

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Speaker 2: I meant what I said that whenever I sit down

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Speaker 2: with you, you're one of the few people in the

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Speaker 2: world I genuinely believe that approaches problems from the most

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Speaker 2: unique perspectives and the question you ask about the world

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Speaker 2: and solving the world's biggest problems. I rarely people can

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Speaker 2: talk about the theory of that, but I've experienced you

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Speaker 2: do it, and I think that that's a remarkable gift

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Speaker 2: and I want to start there because I want people

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Speaker 2: to experience that too. When you came up with this

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Speaker 2: idea of making illness optional. Talk to me about a

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Speaker 2: bit about how you think that way. Because most people

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Speaker 2: let's talk about how you create these moonshots and create

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Speaker 1: You know to me, the questions you ask is the

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Speaker 1: problem you solve, So fundamentally asking the question is the

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Speaker 1: most I would say, the best skill you can ever

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Speaker 1: learn as an entrepreneur. But as an entrepreneur, what most

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Speaker 1: people somehow think that if they do something small, it's

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Speaker 1: is so much easier to do something audacious, something that's

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Speaker 1: I ask myself three questions, why this, Why now? And

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Speaker 1: why me? And why this is really simple? You start

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Speaker 1: solving this problem? Would it help a billion people live

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to repeat everything you do. Ask yourself,

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Speaker 1: how is it making someone else's life better? Because if

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Speaker 1: Right But people somehow always think I want to make

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Speaker 1: We call them with different names, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, depression, anxiety.

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Speaker 1: People say, oh my god, such brilliant and I tell

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Speaker 1: And that's how you make it optional by empowering each

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Speaker 1: and I was a small fish. And then I grow again, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think you know, a lot of the people

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Speaker 1: that have inspired each one of us have been the

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Speaker 1: people who have gone on to change the industry. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously you not today, you and I probably know most

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Speaker 1: of them, and we met them. But when I actually

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Speaker 1: were being inspired, I knew their name, but I've never

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Speaker 1: met them. Now we get to meet with them, and

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Speaker 1: now you can at least look at them and saying

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Speaker 1: how much they change your life. But I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that the biggest inspiration for me, or biggest mentor

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Speaker 1: for me, has been my own life. Life never stops teaching.

444
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Speaker 1: It is us who stop learning. So just every experience

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Speaker 1: we have, if we keep an open mind, we can

446
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Speaker 1: learn from every single person we meet, even that homeless person.

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Speaker 1: If you can give him five minutes of your time,

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Speaker 1: he will tell you about his life story, what got

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Speaker 1: him into where he is, and maybe hopefully you will

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Speaker 1: make that mistake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I've often thought that the

452
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Speaker 2: people that are always learning in any situation naturally succeed

453
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Speaker 2: in whatever endever they have. And when I'm hearing you

454
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Speaker 2: speak about these ideas, which which resonate with me completely,

455
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Speaker 2: like very strongly, I start thinking, like today, the challenges

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Speaker 2: that we're not always choosing effectively and curating carefully who

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Speaker 2: influences us, because there's just so much influence. I was

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Speaker 2: reading a study the other day that said the average

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Speaker 2: human is exposed to seventy four gigabytes of information every day.

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Speaker 2: The average iPhone is two hundred and fifty six gigabytes,

461
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Speaker 2: and a fancy iPhone is one terabyte. Yeah, which means

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Speaker 2: that seventy four gigabytes a day. You know, give it

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Speaker 2: like less than four days and you're already at a

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Speaker 2: full storage of an iPhone. Yes, that's a lot of information,

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Speaker 2: and it's hot odd to know what's useful, what's useless,

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Speaker 2: what's a waste, what's an investment? Because we're just inundated.

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Speaker 2: How could you recommend to people to learn to filter

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Speaker 2: and choose what to give. I'll give you and I'll

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Speaker 2: give you a tum an example. Like, you know, a

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Speaker 2: couple of years ago, it's like everyone's like, you have

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Speaker 2: to be in NFTs, you have to do this, you

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Speaker 2: have to like you know, and then everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you have to invest in the stock market because now

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Speaker 2: it's this, and like then it's like, oh, you have

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Speaker 2: to be an entrepreneur, and it's like everyone's getting oh,

476
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Speaker 2: now you have to hustle.

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Speaker 3: We're in hustle culture.

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Speaker 2: And so you see this like messaging fat, fat message,

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Speaker 2: fat message that just constantly pushes people. Yeah, And because

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Speaker 2: people don't know their own values and they're not sure

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Speaker 2: about what they really want from life, it becomes very

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Speaker 2: easy to get distracted. How would you guide people into

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Speaker 2: not getting distracted and knowing what is right to focus on?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you go back and saying why am

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Speaker 1: I doing it? Let's assume whether there's picking thing you want,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the NFT or a crypto or whatever, how

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Speaker 1: is that what I'm going to do is going to

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Speaker 1: improve someone else's life? Would it improve a billion people's

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Speaker 1: life because I've bought NFT. If the answer is no,

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Speaker 1: then why are you wasting your time? Right? So to me,

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing to learn in life is curiosity. If

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Speaker 1: you ask me, there is one gift you could give

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Speaker 1: someone you love the most. And I hate to say that,

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Speaker 1: the biggest love I have for anyone this world's probably

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Speaker 1: be your children. Anyone I think is your children are

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Speaker 1: the one that you know. They give you unconditional love,

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Speaker 1: and you give them unconditional love. And the biggest gift

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Speaker 1: you can give them is that. So our job as

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Speaker 1: a parent is not to take them to the water

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Speaker 1: and make them drink. Our job is to make them thirsty.

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Speaker 1: How do you make them thirsty? Is make them intellectually curious.

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Speaker 1: Once you give the curiosity to the children, guess what,

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Speaker 1: they will never stop learning. They will always be learning,

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Speaker 1: they'll always find their water, and they'll always be drinking.

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Speaker 1: And that's your goal, is to make them curious. And

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Speaker 1: what makes them curious is to constantly think about what

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Speaker 1: is possible, not what is not possible, what if it

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Speaker 1: was possible? And the two most beautiful worlds in English

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Speaker 1: language are imagine and what if? Imagine if this was possible?

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Speaker 1: What if I could do it right? And that's it.

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Speaker 1: And then they'll constantly and become like a child. Why

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Speaker 1: why why it can't be done? Why I why it

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Speaker 1: couldn't be done before? Right, and asking why makes you curious,

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Speaker 1: and that's how allows you to dig deeper and deeper

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Speaker 1: and deeper. If I may continue on that chart, Jay,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about you know Edjustate. I have

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Speaker 1: three children, and I want to talk about them for

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Speaker 1: many reasons. One is to show people what really matters

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Speaker 1: in life. It's not just simply about leaving the better

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Speaker 1: world for our children. It's also about leaving the better

521
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Speaker 1: children for the world to continue to go where not

522
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Speaker 1: only you get to push the humanity forward, you actually

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Speaker 1: have trained them and made them curious enough for them

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Speaker 1: to be able to continue to push the humanity forward. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: I have three children. Our oldest is thirty two. He

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Speaker 1: went to what and when he was seventeen he started

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Speaker 1: his first company, and that was simply about helping young

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs as a nonprofit to help young entrepreneurs find mentors

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Speaker 1: for them so they can be successful. And his reasoning,

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Speaker 1: what my dad brought me mentors, and these kids did

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Speaker 1: not have that opportunity, So I'm going to create it

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Speaker 1: for them. Now imagine what happened. He could call anyone

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Speaker 1: in the world and say I want you to help

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Speaker 1: these young kids. Nobody says no to helping someone. In

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Speaker 1: the turn, he built one of the big network he

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Speaker 1: could find of the most influential people. So when he

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Speaker 1: started a for profit company, everyone wanted to be part

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Speaker 1: of this. Right. In fact, just today, my son was

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Speaker 1: oldest was NCNBC in Bloomberg and announcing that he's solving

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Speaker 1: this problem that all the kids of age were suffering from.

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Speaker 1: I go their two problems. I graduate, I can get

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Speaker 1: a job, and generally a decent enough job where I

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Speaker 1: can actually find an apartment. But I don't have the

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Speaker 1: money to pay first month rent, last month land and

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Speaker 1: security deposit. And he said, you know what, what if

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Speaker 1: we don't have that and simply spend five dollars a

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Speaker 1: month on insurance and ensure the landlords so you don't

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Speaker 1: have to have a deposit. And he started that company.

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Speaker 1: Then he realized that everyone was complaining and say, that's great, Ancore,

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Speaker 1: we keep wasting our money on a rent, we get

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Speaker 1: nothing for it. Right, I got to buy a home.

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Speaker 1: He started this company called Built Bilt, Built Rewards, and

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Speaker 1: just I was posting on my Instagram, he announced today

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Speaker 1: he is fifty million at one point five billion pre

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Speaker 1: money valuation. That region I'm talking about, not the money

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Speaker 1: is what he did is so phenomenal. He came up

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Speaker 1: with the concept of a credit card where you can

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Speaker 1: put a rent on a credit card with no credit

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Speaker 1: card fees, no annual fee. Normally, when you put something

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Speaker 1: on a credit card, you pay three and a halfs

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Speaker 1: two and a half three percent. He convinced the master

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Speaker 1: card to wave that fee for rent, and then he's

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Speaker 1: able to now earn points on something you haven't paid anything,

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Speaker 1: and you can use the point to actually buy a home,

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Speaker 1: down payment for a home, or use one to one

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Speaker 1: on any airlines, on a hotel, on Expedia, on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: you can use the points to earn the points on

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Speaker 1: rent and with no credit cards. Gere, what's happening. Landlords

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Speaker 1: love it because they are able to bill you on

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Speaker 1: day one, day two. They have the money you as

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Speaker 1: a renter are not paying a dime more and your

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Speaker 1: twenty one day float to pay your credit card bill.

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Speaker 1: In turn, you earn the points that were completely wasted,

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Speaker 1: and now you can travel, or you can use them

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Speaker 1: for next month rent, or you can use them a

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Speaker 1: down payment and a home, solving the problem that impacted

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Speaker 1: all these people. In turn, he created a great company.

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Speaker 1: Our daughter, our daughter Prianca, went to Stanford Stanford stamp Fellow,

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Speaker 1: Stanford Mayfield Fellow only cared about women's women's education, women's health.

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Speaker 1: First company. She worked removing gender buyers from hiring using AI.

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Speaker 1: Started a company called av Evvy Women's Health company, and

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Speaker 1: just today fast Company recognized as the fastest and the

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Speaker 1: most disruptive company that she started year and a half ago.

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Speaker 1: So she's completely changing the idea of how women's health.

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Speaker 1: What I did not realize, what she told me is

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Speaker 1: until about twenty years ago, women want allowed to be

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Speaker 1: in a clinical studies. That means every drug we have

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Speaker 1: were never designed for women. They're only designed for men.

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Speaker 1: And no wonder these drugs don't even work for women

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Speaker 1: because they were never on a clinical trial. And she's

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Speaker 1: changing that industry. Our youngest went to stand for became

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Speaker 1: a Schwartzman scholar, and now he's solving the problem of

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Speaker 1: home mortgages. Again, it doesn't matter. The point is they

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Speaker 1: find the biggest problem and they realize they can go

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Speaker 1: out and solve it. And why is it? How did

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Speaker 1: that happen. And Jay, you don't have kids yet, but

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Speaker 1: one day you do, I'm going to give you some

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Speaker 1: of the parenting lesson because I have thirty two year twenty.

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Speaker 3: I'm very open to that.

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Speaker 1: Right. So here's what happens. These kids were growing up

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Speaker 1: on an a fluent family, unlike I grew up in

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Speaker 1: a poor family. We told them, they're our love for

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Speaker 1: you is unconditional, but our approval is not. That means

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Speaker 1: I'll always tell you I love you, but I will

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Speaker 1: never tell you I'm proud of you. To be proud

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Speaker 1: of you, you have to do things that make us

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Speaker 1: proud of you. And I told them that we will

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Speaker 1: be proud of you when you do things that make

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Speaker 1: other people's life better. That means your success is never

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Speaker 1: going to be defined by how much money you have

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Speaker 1: in the bank. It will be defined by how many

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Speaker 1: lives you improve. They may when they were young they

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Speaker 1: will say whatever Dad, but guess what. Every one of

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00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: them remembered what dad wants, and they want to make

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Speaker 1: you they're dead proud. And I told them, and I say,

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of you when you do the things that

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Speaker 1: make us proud. We told them that their self worth

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Speaker 1: doesn't come from what they own, it comes from what

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Speaker 1: they create. That means you own a lot, but you

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Speaker 1: haven't created anything. You're still a parasite on society, right,

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Speaker 1: So don't be a parasite. An ultimate goal of the

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Speaker 1: children was always for them to focus on what can

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Speaker 1: they do and make them believe nothing was impossible. So

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Speaker 1: I remember when their kids were born, I was running

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Speaker 1: a very successful company and instead of when I retire,

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Speaker 1: when I sold that company and I realized they were

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Speaker 1: very young, I had two choices. I could sit at

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Speaker 1: home to say, hey, my kids are young, I want

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Speaker 1: to spend time with my family, which is a normal

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Speaker 1: thing to do. It occurred to me, what are what

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Speaker 1: would they be thinking? So imagine if I had told

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Speaker 1: them it's not about money, but Dad just made a

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Speaker 1: lot of money and Dad is now at home. When

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Speaker 1: they go to ski school, what do they see Dad

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Speaker 1: sitting on the sofa watching CNBC. They come back from school,

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Speaker 1: they see dad. He's still at home, and Dad tells

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Speaker 1: them go to your room, work hard, finish your homework.

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00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: Hard work is what it takes and money doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: And they say, I watch my dad sitting on the

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Speaker 1: sofa when I grow up. I want to be just

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Speaker 1: like my dad, sit on the sofa and watch TV.

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Speaker 1: And because Dad has money, he can do that, and

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to do. Instead, what they saw

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Speaker 1: was Dad started a second company, Dad started a third company.

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Speaker 1: Dad goes crazy, We're going to go to the moon. Dad,

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Speaker 1: No private company has gone to the moon. You're crazy. Well,

647
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Speaker 1: let me show you how that's done. Dad turns fifty eight.

648
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Speaker 1: Dad wants to start a healthcare company. We're going to

649
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Speaker 1: make illness optional. Dad's time to retire. Well, I haven't

650
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Speaker 1: showed you how it's done yet. The point was they

651
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Speaker 1: realized at the end of the day that Dad does

652
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: it because he loves what he does. He doesn't care

653
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: about making money. He does it because that's what brings

654
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: him happiness. And anything difficult can be solved. And that's

655
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Speaker 1: why every one of them is taking on audacious challenges

656
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: because they see the dad do that. So why we

657
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: tell our kids what to do? We never show them what.

658
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Speaker 2: Did Yeah, I mean congratulations, by the way, And it's

659
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Speaker 2: amazing to hear about these incredible new companies coming into

660
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Speaker 2: the world, so needed, so powerful, and so beautiful to

661
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: see so many purpose driven companies coming into the world,

662
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Speaker 2: especially in a world where we're constantly hearing everyone wanting

663
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Speaker 2: to build a billion dollar company and everything, which is

664
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Speaker 2: just such a it boss me nuts.

665
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Speaker 1: So but if everyone who's listening to it, if I'm

666
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Speaker 1: should go to avvy E v v Y, and if

667
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Speaker 1: you're a woman, we sign up for a v's a

668
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Speaker 1: women's health company using vaginal microbiome. And the reason I

669
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Speaker 1: say that is I want her to realize that these

670
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Speaker 1: are the problems she can solve. Her generation is the

671
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Speaker 1: first generation that had a shot at solving problem that

672
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: our generation failed at, failed women at them, and she

673
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: can solve that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, that's incredible. Yeah no, we'll put that.

675
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Speaker 2: We'll put that link into the into the show notes

676
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Speaker 2: as well so that people can access it. I guess

677
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Speaker 2: when I when I'm listening to you right now, you

678
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: raised a few points. Then I was thinking that you

679
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: gave the example of dad watching TV, and I was

680
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: thinking that so much of our society today has been

681
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: and actually going back again, you talked about the two

682
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: most important phrases like imagine and what if.

683
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: Yes, so much of.

684
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Speaker 2: Our society today has become numb to curiosity and imagination

685
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: because we simply watch TV. Now, TV and TV shows

686
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: and movies can be incredible for imagination if we watch

687
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 2: them in that way, because the people that made them

688
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: are very imaginative, the people that made them are very creative.

689
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Speaker 2: But what's really interesting is that when we simply subject

690
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: ourselves to sitting in front of a screen and let

691
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: those images come to us and we don't use them creatively,

692
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: we actually become numbs. And I find that the majority

693
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: of media makes us less creative, less curious, even though

694
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Speaker 2: the people that made it are curious and creative.

695
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Speaker 1: Absolutely correct.

696
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Speaker 2: So I guess so many people feel like at the

697
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Speaker 2: end of their workday because they wake up they do something.

698
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Speaker 2: A lot of people do something they don't love, a

699
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: lot of people maybe do something they kind of like,

700
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Speaker 2: and by the end of the work day when they

701
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: get home, they just want to switch off the TV,

702
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: to switch off, that's right, and it's like switch on

703
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: the TV, switch off your mind. Yes, and then that's

704
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Speaker 2: how the next few hours pass. How do people find

705
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Speaker 2: the energy the ability to say, actually, you know what,

706
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Speaker 2: I'm going to use this time to be more curious,

707
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Speaker 2: to be more creative, because that's going to lead to

708
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Speaker 2: a better world for me and for others.

709
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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, no one should be doing things

710
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Speaker 1: that they don't enjoy. So I have a very simple

711
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: rule in my life. As I said, I wake up

712
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: at four am in the day. I feel when I

713
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: wake up at four am, I'm not jumping out of

714
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Speaker 1: the bed. That means I'm doing things I don't enjoy.

715
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: So rule number one, when you wake up in the morning,

716
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: and if you're not jumping out of the bed, you

717
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: should quit what you're doing because that's not your calling.

718
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: When you find your true purpose, find your you know

719
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: not star, you can never ever just lie down because

720
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Speaker 1: you're so driven to solve that problem. I I may say,

721
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people talk about passion. I

722
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: think the passion is for hobbies. Passion is for losers.

723
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Speaker 1: The true winners have obsession, Obsession to solve the problem,

724
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: not obsession about things, Obsession to solve the problem. When

725
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: you're truly obsessed about solving a problem, you go to

726
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: sleep thinking about it and you jump out of the

727
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: bed wanting to do it. And that to me is

728
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: find something that you're willing to die for and live

729
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: for it. Find something that you're willing to dedicate your

730
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: life to solving and then solve it right right. And

731
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people give up because there

732
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: are any time you do something, there are going to

733
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Speaker 1: be the times that things do not working out exactly

734
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: what you expected. And to me, that's a sign of

735
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: you are alive because you're the only way you know

736
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Speaker 1: when you're alive, because you have a heartbeat, and the

737
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: heartbeat goes up and down and up and down, and

738
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Speaker 1: when it's smooth, you're dead. So if you're looking for

739
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: a life that's a smoothly, you're looking for a life

740
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: of a dead person. Find things when they're going up

741
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: and down. That tells you alive. When you are down,

742
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: just hunker down and know that the next beat is

743
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: going to be up. And when you're on top of

744
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: that beat, never become too arrogant, because always remember the

745
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: winter is coming and winter shall come right. And that

746
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: is the life is that most people spend their life

747
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: thinking they need to make money, so they do something

748
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Speaker 1: they don't enjoy. Guess what, when they come home they

749
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: cannot enjoy because they wasted their life doing things they

750
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Speaker 1: don't enjoy. And they turn the TV on as you

751
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: say to switch off their mind, and now they're being

752
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: bombarded with the most If you're watching news, unfortunately it's

753
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: all about negativity for many reasons. Our mind are amike

754
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: the lies, looking for negative news. So negative news catches

755
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: our attention, and that's the reason newscasters know to get

756
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: your attention. If it bleeds, it leads and want to

757
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: talk about all the negative stuff. So you're bombarded and

758
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: now you're even more negative than you were at work.

759
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: And the thing in life is to get yourself out

760
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: of that mode, not only find your purpose, but truly

761
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: be grateful for the life you're living in. Many of

762
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: us have you know culturally or you know or sometimes religiously,

763
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: we are told before you eat the do grace or

764
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: do the prayer. Why is that? The reason it is

765
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: jay is that your body, when it's in the fight

766
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: of flight response, it stops the digestion. You cannot digest

767
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: your food because remember the reason your body used to

768
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: be in fight a flight response because the tiger chasing you.

769
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: And at that point body says you don't need to

770
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: worry about digesting your food. It shuts down your immune system,

771
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: by the way, because you don't need to worry about

772
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: immune system because you're gonna be lunch for someone else,

773
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: or if you survive, then everything calm down and back

774
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: to normal. Today, we live in this world where when

775
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: we are at work, our boss is stressing us out.

776
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: We come home, your spouse is stressing you out, and

777
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: your constant stress mode and you constantly in flight a

778
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: flight response. And then we eat food in the flight

779
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: of flight response, it doesn't get digested. Our immune system

780
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: is not working, so we get more sick, and then

781
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: we blame everything on the society. And all it takes

782
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: is find the job you love. When you come home,

783
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: be grateful for what you loving family you have, give

784
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: them the love, and in turn you will receive the love.

785
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: And we're just reading about the new book. Jay, You've

786
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: got to tell me about more about the book on

787
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: this love. If you can go figure that out, everything changes,

788
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: because then when you have love, you're always in the

789
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: sympathetic parasympathetic mode rather than sympathetic.

790
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a great answer. I love the idea

791
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: that saying that we're living in a constant state of flight,

792
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: of fight or flight, in a constant state of stress,

793
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: and so pretty much every activity we do is in

794
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: a state of stress. That perspective of finding what you

795
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: love is so needed, yet so hard and also different

796
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: at different times. Like I remember when I was at

797
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: college and I work. Sorry, even before college, when I

798
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: was at school, I worked. Ever since I was fourteen.

799
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: My parents always wanted me to get a job, and

800
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful that they set that up. And so

801
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: from the age of fourteen, I was working. I delivered newspapers.

802
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: Then I worked at a grocery store, and then I

803
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: worked in retail, and then I was a tutor. I

804
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: was always working, and I never enjoyed going to the

805
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: grocery store, but I learned valuable skills there that I

806
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: still use today even though I don't work in a

807
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: grocery store. And what I found is that I what

808
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 2: the skills did.

809
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 3: You learn at a grocery store?

810
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: I had to Part of my shift was I had

811
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: to whenever the truck would come with a delivery, I

812
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: would have to get one of these handheld palette pullers,

813
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: go into the back of the truck, put it underneath

814
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Speaker 2: the palettes, lift it back up, and pull it out

815
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Speaker 2: and then stack it. Now, I hated doing that. I

816
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: absolutely hateed doing that. And I'll try and avoid at

817
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: any cost. But that genuinely, I believe, gave me the

818
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: skill of the ability to do things I don't enjoy

819
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: doing for something useful in the sense of like I

820
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 2: didn't enjoy doing that task. I didn't love doing it.

821
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Speaker 2: But there are so many things that you have to do,

822
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Speaker 2: even when you're building your purpose.

823
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Speaker 3: Of course, that you don't want.

824
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: To do that specifically purpose, but you have a purpose

825
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: at the grocery store. I didn't have a purpose, but

826
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Speaker 2: I at least learned to be able to have a

827
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: discipline of when it's your turn, you've got to show up.

828
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: You can't just tap out and say I don't want

829
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: to do it. And again, these are small skills, these

830
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: are not but I definitely knew. I pretty much knew

831
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: everything in every aisle, like I knew where it was,

832
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: so if someone asked me where do I find bread?

833
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: I knew it was all twenty one someone knew. And

834
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 3: that simple idea.

835
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Speaker 2: Like today, when I'm sitting down and interviewing or I

836
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: have to prepare, I can pretty much sit down and

837
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: memorize things fairly quickly. And I don't think memorization for

838
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: exams is good, but memory is useful in life use

839
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: so so many force and so now when I read books,

840
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: I can memorize what's on a page. I can get

841
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: back to that page because I feel there was a

842
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: lot at that time. So I guess what I'm saying

843
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: is that even if you don't love what you're doing,

844
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: you can learn to love something about it because you

845
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: can extrapolate a skill that will be useful when you

846
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: find your purpose. And so I found that a lot

847
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 2: of jobs have not been I've worked so many jobs

848
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 2: that today I live fully in my purpose, so it's

849
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: much easier. But I've lived so many jobs that weren't

850
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: in my purpose, but they've all taught me something that

851
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: is now useful.

852
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: But my point that is, isn't I think what you

853
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: see it that came were just a double click on that?

854
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: Is that even the job that you're doing, find something

855
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 1: about the job that you fall in love.

856
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, And I think we agree, is

857
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I just want

858
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: to clarify that for people. Yeah, even if you're doing

859
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: something where you don't love the whole thing, and you

860
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: may not be in a financial position or a family

861
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: position to quit your job at least for now, look

862
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: for the thing about it that you love, because that

863
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: will always stay with you. And so I love the

864
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: direction in which we're going. And I'm glad that we're

865
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: talking about life, We're talking about curiosity, we're talking about

866
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: how you set your kids up. How do you think

867
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: you would have responded or when your kids were younger

868
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: and maybe they weren't so externally successful and they they

869
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: almost may have had some pushback. Of course, I'm wondering

870
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: if the kids had any push but they did, of

871
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: course did, because I feel like I don't know any

872
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: kid who doesn't think. Of course, kids grow up thinking

873
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: their parents are not cool, yes, and then when they

874
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: grow up then they're like, oh no, my parents were right.

875
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: They are much more that I thought they were. Can

876
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: you tell us a bit about some of those moments

877
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: where the kids kind of didn't agree with your philosophy

878
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: or theory and what did that look like?

879
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of these times when the

880
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: kids like, for example, I'm gonna be talking about that

881
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: your sextis is all about the number of lives you improve.

882
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: I remember my oldest son said whatever Dad, and then

883
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: he walks, you know, he says, Dad, at the end

884
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: of the day, money matters, and I told them it

885
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: only matters when you actually believe it matters, because most

886
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: of the time you don't need much for it to matter.

887
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: After the basic needs are matter, After that, it's all,

888
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Right. He and I would a lot

889
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: of discussions. Say I want to buy this pair of shoes,

890
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't think that makes sense for

891
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: you to be owning a two hundred dollars pair of

892
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: shoes at this point. And he said, Dad, I'm going

893
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: to go get it and I'm going to go earn it.

894
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: And I said, sure, if that's what you want to do,

895
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: that that's what matters to you, go do it. But

896
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: I would rather have you spend that time in learning

897
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: new skills then trying to go do some menial job

898
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: because you want a pair of shoes, and that is

899
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: very interesting, and I think maybe I want to just

900
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: expand on that. A lot of parents, even the successful parents,

901
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: would say, oh, I don't want to give my kids

902
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: things to spoil them. I want them to work. I

903
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: want them to go do the menial task so they

904
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: understand what the money means to them. And I think

905
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: to some extent, you know, people may disagree with that.

906
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: My philosophy was very different. My philosphy was, my job

907
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: is to teach you as many things as I possibly can,

908
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: and once you learn those set of skills, those are

909
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: the skills you'll have for the rest of your life.

910
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: That means, instead of going out and earning money to

911
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: pump the gas, I'd rather have you go out and

912
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: take a summer courses and I'll pay for it, right.

913
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: I would rather have you go and do internship at

914
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: some place where you can learn something and not focus

915
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: on making money, even it's unpaid. But that's a skill

916
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: you want to learn, go do it, even if it's unpaid.

917
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: So it's always about learning, learning, and learning. And the

918
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: best example I can give you something I think you'll

919
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: find funny. When my daughter was sixteen years old, she

920
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: came to me one day and said, Dad, I know

921
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: you love science and technology. I have found my passion

922
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm going to pursue and I just

923
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: don't want to do anything to do with science and technology.

924
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: And at that point most parents would say, sweety, tell

925
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: me what your passion is and I want to help

926
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: you with that. My response to her was you're too

927
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: young to have a passion. Dad hasn't done his job

928
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: of exposing you to everything. So you don't even know

929
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: the things you don't know? How can you tell me

930
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: you don't like them? So I say so, She said, Dad,

931
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: what is it that you want me to do that?

932
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: And I say, sweety, what I want you to go

933
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: is to go to Singularity University. I want you to

934
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: learn about nanotechnology. I want you to learn a genetics.

935
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn about artificial intelligence. I want to

936
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: learn about everything. And she rolled her eyes. And by

937
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: the way, and that's the article I wrote on Incmagagine

938
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: if you want to find it's called an entrepreneur versus

939
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: his eye rolling teenage daughter.

940
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: That's cool.

941
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: I like that now, she says, Dad, I just you

942
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: don't hear a word. I said, I told you I

943
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: don't like science and technology, and it's just, sweety, you

944
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: don't know what these things are, So how can you

945
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: tell me you don't like them? But here's the word.

946
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: Here's what I can do for you if you promise

947
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: me that you're going to go there with my open

948
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: mind wanting to learn and wanting to like. What I

949
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: would promise you is when you come back, you get

950
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: to decide what you want because I have done my

951
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: job of exposing you to things, and you get to

952
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: pick what you want to do. And she said, Dad,

953
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: if you promise me that I'll go there with an

954
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: open mind, and I'll do that. She goes there, comes back,

955
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: and the first thing she opens the door, she said, Dad,

956
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: I've made up my mind. And my first words I

957
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: remember was oh s. And she said I made up

958
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: my mind. I said, tell me what you want, I

959
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: said the Dad, I've decided I'm going to be either

960
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: a genetist or I'm going to be a neuroscientist. I

961
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: shook my head and I said, sweety, at the risk

962
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: of you changing your mind, can you tell me what happened?

963
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: He said, Dad, You're so dumb. I'm in high school.

964
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: I go to these classes and science. I mix things

965
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: and they change color, and I'm thinking, why do I care?

966
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: When I went to Singularity University, what I realized was

967
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: I care about. My passion is about women's health. How

968
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: can I do that if I don't even know how

969
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: their body works? How can I go change women's life

970
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: if I don't even know how they think? So to me,

971
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: the science and technology is simply the tools in my

972
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: tool chest for me to pursue the purpose I want. Right, So,

973
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: guess what if I had done what most parents have done,

974
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: they would have She would have never been exposed to

975
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: these things, she would have never found her true love,

976
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: and world would have missed out on a great entrepreneur.

977
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: Guess what when she graduated, she did first company using

978
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: AI to remove gender bias, and now she's using AI

979
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: to improve women's health. This is simply because we pursued

980
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: her to follow learn rather than simply do something that

981
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: she wanted to do.

982
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. What I like about where this is going is

983
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: that And as you were saying this, I was like,

984
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: I need to talk to another guest that we've had

985
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: on about this. I don't know if you know, doctor

986
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 2: Gabon matte And is an incredible expert on chow trauma

987
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: and illness and everything. And I now know what I'm

988
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 2: going to ask him based on this conversation. I've always

989
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: agreed with exposing yourself to as many ideas, thoughts learning

990
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: as possible. Disagree, And it's so funny that I agree

991
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: with your daughter because I thought I hated science at school. Yeah,

992
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: and then when I grew up and I started reading

993
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: behavioral science and neuroscience.

994
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: Science was about the brain exactly.

995
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: Science was about like photosynthesis, which I didn't find interesting.

996
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: Or it was about cutting a cell open and looking

997
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: at the layers, which I didn't find interesting exactly. And

998
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: then I was like, but if I knew at fifteen

999
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: or sixteen that science was about you could learn about

1000
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: the brain, Oh my god, and how the brain works,

1001
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: and how that I would have been glued.

1002
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: Every girl in the school would have loved you.

1003
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: Changed, like everything would have changed. But I didn't know that, right.

1004
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know that because the way we were taught

1005
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: a certain subject was so not even basic, but it

1006
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: was so specific.

1007
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: Like plant.

1008
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: I've never found plant biology to be interesting, not I

1009
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 2: But if someone told me about the brain, the human brain,

1010
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: I find it so interesting. And so I can understand

1011
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't have someone in my life who

1012
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: could have sent me the Singularity University, so I missed out.

1013
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: But but I can vibe with that. So I think

1014
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: exposing yourself to is many new ideas, more learning rather

1015
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: than trying to get too fixated too quickly, is a

1016
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 2: really good lesson. And that's and also what you're saying

1017
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: that when people when children are growing up. My parents

1018
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: encouraged me to do so many things that were uncomfortable

1019
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: for me. Yes, that actually turned out to be superpowers.

1020
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: And there were also things they encouraged me to do

1021
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: that were uncomfortable that did not turn out to be superpowered,

1022
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: and both are okay. I remember my parents really wanted

1023
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: me to go to the school that I went to,

1024
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: high school that I went to, because it was a

1025
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: great high school. And if you asked any kid while

1026
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: we were in that high school, they hitted it.

1027
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 3: We hated it.

1028
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: But now when I look back, I am so grateful

1029
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: I went to the high school because I learned so much.

1030
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: And now I look back and I feel so happy

1031
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: that my parents pushed me to do that, even with

1032
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: simple things like my parents were really scared that I

1033
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: was going to be a shy kid because I was

1034
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: very quiet, I was very self contained. I was very shy,

1035
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 2: and my parents forced me to go to public speaking

1036
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: in drama school. I went for seven years to public

1037
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: speaking in drama school. Today my whole life is the

1038
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: public speaking and I always think about them, like if

1039
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 2: I didn't go and I didn't like going I hate

1040
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: it going. It was so uncomfortable to stand in front

1041
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: of a teacher and learn how to speak and communicate.

1042
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: But today my whole life is based on communication. And

1043
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: I was thinking, if my parents didn't push me, if

1044
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 2: my parents didn't encourage me, I would never be able

1045
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 2: to do what I do today.

1046
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: So that's what I was. You know, I think when

1047
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: I talking about that, it's not in your dreams, it's

1048
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: the nurturing. It is what they gave you, the lessons

1049
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: and made you uncomfortable. And sometimes what we find in

1050
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: life is that if you can learn to love the discomfort,

1051
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: the comfort becomes very easy.

1052
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And to constantly move in that direction

1053
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: that just because someone finds something uncomfortable that we feel

1054
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: we think that if something's uncomfortable, we should avoid it.

1055
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: But the truth is that discomfort is where all the

1056
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: growth comes. And I again encourage people to try. I

1057
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: think the idea of trying more things is being exposed.

1058
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: To more ideas and more things, and I think that's

1059
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: something we.

1060
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 3: The dots more others you have no dots to connect.

1061
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, and I think, you know, we tend

1062
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: to find people who are just like us. Because that's

1063
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: what people want. But I think we learn a lot

1064
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: from people who are alike us.

1065
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And they did a study at MIT which

1066
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: showed that people were more creative, innovative, and productive when

1067
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: they knew people who didn't know each other. The idea

1068
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: that if you know people who know people who know you,

1069
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: you just create an echo chamber where you all have

1070
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: the same ideas and you share the same thoughts. Whereas

1071
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: if you have someone in your community who thinks differently

1072
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: or randomly, or whatever it may be, it can spark

1073
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: so much more. I wonder this is the last area

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about. Is I love

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Speaker 2: the idea that you inculcate into your kids, the idea

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Speaker 2: of improving other people's lives, doing something good for others.

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Speaker 2: How do you find have you also where you were

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Speaker 2: aware also as a parent, about how to help them

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Speaker 2: with their personal mental health and their personal well being?

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Speaker 3: Of course, because what we.

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Speaker 2: Find is at the moment we find either role. We

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00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: see people who sacrifice their own well being for the

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Speaker 2: well being of others, and we see people who are

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00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: just struggling with their own well being that they can't

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00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: extend themselves to others. I wonder if you were a

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00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: parent that was conscious of also mental health and wellbeing

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Speaker 2: and personal well being.

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Speaker 1: Well, at the end of the day, there's no parent

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Speaker 1: at least I don't know of any parent who don't

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Speaker 1: want their kids to be happy. So to me, that

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Speaker 1: is just part of in loving someone unconditionally that you

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Speaker 1: do anything to make them happy or anything for their happiness. Right,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not suggesting you sacrifice. There's you know, go

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00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: slightly tangent. There are things that in life that matter

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Speaker 1: the most. Is that unconditional love that you can receive

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00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: or the unconditional love that you can give, And very

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: few types of love that, in my humble opinion, that

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00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: are unconditional. You know, we may say we love our

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00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: spouse and conditionally, but that is still you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not the same as the love between mom and a child,

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00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: or you know that love is just so strong. I mean,

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Speaker 1: no one can ever say that. In fact, I think

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Speaker 1: the last time I think when you and I talked

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Speaker 1: about I may have shared this story that I still

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00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: to me resonates the best. There was this kid who

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00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: wanted to join the gang, and the gang member says,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're ready and he said, no, I'm

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00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: ready to do anything you want. And he says, if

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00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: you are really that ready, what I would like you

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00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: to do would be to show me that you can

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: do anything that needs done. Is to go take your

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Speaker 1: mom while she's alive, cut her heart and bring the

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01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: beating heart back to us. Then we know you can

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Speaker 1: do this. The kid says, I can do this and

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Speaker 1: goes there, literally stabs her mom, takes the beating heart out,

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01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: and he is walking out, he stumbles and falls down,

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Speaker 1: and the heart and that he hears the beating heart says, son,

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Speaker 1: are you okay? That unconditional lover. Mom says the only

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Speaker 1: thing that matters to her was are you okay? Not

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Speaker 1: what you did to me? And that kind of unconditional

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Speaker 1: love always brings her tears to my eye. That mother

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01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: didn't care. She simply wanted to make sure that my

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Speaker 1: son was okay, right because he stumbled and fell down

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Speaker 1: right to me, when you want to do things for

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Speaker 1: your children, sometimes the children may not think it is

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Speaker 1: good for them, and it is your job to be

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Speaker 1: an adult and say, in a long term, it is

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Speaker 1: going to be good for you, whether it's sending you

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Speaker 1: to the school or he speaks, you know, or going

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Speaker 1: to the public speaking, but at the same time you

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01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: wanting them to be a mini world jenoff You is

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Speaker 1: where I think parents go wrong. The kids should not

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01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: be molded to be another mini me, right, and the

1134
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: mini me concept happens more often than we want. The

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01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: kids of the lawyer become lawyer, the kids of the

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: doctor become doctor, kids of the teacher become teacher, because

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Speaker 1: they all try to make them to be themselves. But

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Speaker 1: I think you and I both agree that our job

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01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: is to expose them to as many different things as possible,

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Speaker 1: give them as many dots as they can, so someday

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Speaker 1: they're able to connect these dots and create their own canvas.

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01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: And give them that open canvas that they get to create.

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01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: And they can only create that canvas when we give

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Speaker 1: them also the curiosity and imagination so they can create

1145
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: whatever they want to create, and give them that inspiration.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing they want to do is impossible, and

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Speaker 1: the only thing that's impossible is the one they believe

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Speaker 1: is not possible. That means they get to decide what

1149
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: is possible and what's not possible. No one else can decide,

1150
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Speaker 1: and the ideas when they are different. It's okay to

1151
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: be different because when people tell you it's crazy idea,

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01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: those are the ideas that are worth pursuing. Right that,

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01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: when someone tells you it's a crazy idea, it is

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Speaker 1: an audacious idea that you can go out with. Right.

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01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: But what you don't want to be doing things is

1156
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: is to simply live a comfortable life and live a

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Speaker 1: smooth life. Right. That is to me, the day you

1158
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: stop learning is the day you start dying.

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Speaker 2: Navin, it has been such a pleasure talking to you

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: as always. I want to let everyone who know, everyone

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: who's watching or listening know as well. If you want

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01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: to know more about how Navin thinks, grab his book Moonshots.

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01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: If you're someone that wants to set goals. If you're

1164
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: someone that wants to set audacious goals and try and achieve,

1165
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: the Moonshots is the book for you. If you want

1166
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: to find out more about your gut microbiome, the company

1167
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: is called vyume Vome. We will put the link in

1168
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: the show notes as well if you want to get

1169
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: a gut test done to understand more about everything that

1170
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,479
Speaker 2: we just spoke about from that perspective. And the third

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Speaker 2: is heavy about women's health, which we will also add

1172
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: into the show notes and Avan. It has been a

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Speaker 2: joy sitting down with you again as always my friend,

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01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: and every time I sit with you, I definitely feel

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: I can be a little bit more audacious. I feel

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01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 2: that I'm always being mindful of my gut when I'm

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01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: with you. And today I'm also really really happy that

1178
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: I feel the message that has really come through is

1179
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: whatever we do, we have to do it to improve

1180
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: the world around us and continue to serve humanity at art.

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Speaker 2: So thank you from the bottom of my heart for

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01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: coming on today. It's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Tom Well Jay.

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Speaker 1: I just say You're always been on purpose and I

1185
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: just love spending time with you and I hope to

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: see you again soon to thank.

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Speaker 3: You to me.

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Speaker 2: If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with

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01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: Dr Gabor Matte on understanding your trauma and how to

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: heal emotional wounds to start moving on from the past.

1191
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 2: There's a difference between being alone and being lonely. Alone

1192
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: is just a fact and that we can embrace and

1193
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: make decisions about loneliness