1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Ron Anian. The answer of we can't fix it if 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: it's not broke isn't always true. I want to make 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: that point very clear. How the car Doctor? What turned 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: Mike Mueller's clock that made him a car guy? Where 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: did it happen? 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: I was about two years old. 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: In for Christmas, I got a little plastic writing Corvette. 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Anian, the Car Doctor. 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 4: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 4: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 4: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 4: the phone and call in. 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: take your call at eight five five five six ninety 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: nine hundred and now, he. 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 4: Ronnie, we'd be. 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: Here talking cars, and let's do that right away. Let's 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: and let's go to Tom and Meine. And Tom's got 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a problem with a twenty seventeen Ford 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: Fusion Hybrid, as I understand it. Tom, Welcome to the 21 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Car Doctor, sir, How can I help Hi? 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 5: Ron? Thank you, it's good to talk to you. I'm 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 5: a used car dealer, got a four fusion hybrid. Got 24 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 5: a young man wants to buy it. We're ready to 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 5: sell it. Car has been fined. You know, you try 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 5: to that past before you sell them. Sure, and he 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 5: takes it out for test drives, comes back with two 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 5: with the check engine light on. We scan it its 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 5: O two sensor. I take it to one of my mechanics. 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 5: He finds that one of the plugs for FRONTO two 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 5: sensor have been replaced and it turns out it was miswired. 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 5: Brex the wiring and we changed OH two sensors a 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 5: couple of times. We kept getting a consistent code for 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 5: the heater circuit. The zero one three five, okay, three 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 5: to two sensors. Final one that's in right now is 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 5: a motorcraft. Still got the code. At some point he 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 5: had got Ford service data online and he's very meticulous 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 5: and a really good diagnostician. Chases down individual wires to 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 5: the degree it makes my head want to explode at 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 5: any rate. He decided that we probably need to replace 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 5: the ECM, so we found a company that cloned the 42 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 5: ECM for us. With the new ECM, because Ford has 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 5: you know, Olsar Kane flashing thing, we get it back. 44 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 5: Our runs same code. He's zero one three five, The 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 5: final bid here is because he's been chasing. This is 46 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 5: the two two sensors we have in the car are 47 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 5: reading about four point two the four point five homes 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 5: on the heater circuit going into the disconnected from the car. 49 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: The resistance of the heater circuit is four point two 50 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 5: to four point five homes. He's skinny finding things online. 51 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 5: That's saying it should be higher. That kind of makes 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 5: sense to me that the resistance is higher. The heater 53 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 5: circuit's gonna heat better, it's gonna draw more current. That's 54 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 5: where we are. Okay, we're spinning our wheels. 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: So you know, we take a new Ford sensor out 56 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: of the box. We can do this one of two ways. 57 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a new Ford sensor out of the 58 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: box and measure it. What's the resistance value? It's it's 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: it's x twenty five sounds high, four sounds low. All right. Typically, 60 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: when I measure a heater circuit, I'll see it depends 61 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: on the brand. I'll see somewhere between twelve and eighteen. 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: You know, I generally go by what the new piece 63 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: is provided I know I'm getting in a real new 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: Ford part or a real new whatever part, and I'll 65 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: measure it against that. Usually when I see a heater 66 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: circuit fail, it's usually an open all right. It Usually 67 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: it's usually that the internal heater element in the two 68 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: censor has has just burned itself out over time, so 69 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: it's gone open. So I'm gonna say that if we 70 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: pull a new Ford part off the shelf, what did 71 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: it measure twenty five homes? 72 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 6: Uh? 73 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 5: I haven't gotten a new one since we changed the ECU. 74 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So so that's that's got to be addressed, all right, Okay, 75 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: And I will when we get off air, if you want, 76 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: if you send me the VIN of this vehicle, I'll 77 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: see if I can actually find an O two heater 78 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: resistance value uh, to see if it's there. But we 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: can also go at it that way. The other thought 80 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: I've got for this car is, you know he's gone through. 81 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: You know we could do an ambage draw test. Does 82 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: the you know we've got power, we've got ground, we've 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: got you know, we've got four it's a four wire 84 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: ROH two right right, So there's gonna be signal back 85 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: to the PCM, which is OH two censor signal. There's 86 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: gonna be a redundant ground back to the PCM for 87 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: that signal. So that's that's those two wires. The other 88 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: two wires are merely power and ground. Do we have ground? 89 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: Do we have power? Do we have twelve vaults coming down? 90 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: When you start the car? Typically within the first one 91 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seconds to one hundred and eighty seconds, 92 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: they warm up the O two and then they'll start 93 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: to pulse it or duty cycle it to just you know, 94 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: they don't need to keep it running all the time, 95 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: otherwise it would hence burn out. So can we measure 96 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: twelve vaults there? Can we measure ground on the other side? 97 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: And if we were to take it a clip on 98 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: amp clamp, do we see current flow? And this is 99 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: this is where I come back to. If we know 100 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: the voltage and we know the resistance, if we use 101 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: Ome's law, which I think you're probably familiar with, because 102 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: let's full disclosure, you told me if you were doing 103 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: energy and other things, so you guys use home laws 104 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: for energy calculations all the time. I'm sure you know. 105 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: If we know voltage and we know resistance, we know 106 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: what the current should be, all right, Not that I 107 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: think we're gonna not that I think we're gonna prove anything. 108 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna prove that something one of those 109 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: three numbers is going to be wrong or doesn't make 110 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: sense to us. 111 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 5: Right right, we have twelve bolts to the heater okay, 112 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 5: and he has chased the ground back. The ground circuit 113 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 5: has good continuity back to them. 114 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: Okay, and he's he's verified, he's verified. Amperage just forgotten 115 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: now all right? 116 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 5: No, I guess that's next. Then getting a new another 117 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 5: new sensor. 118 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: Well that and you know what about this? And this 119 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: is this is kind of a crazy thought, but I've 120 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: I've done this on many a card just to prove 121 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: what it is or what it isn't. All right, take 122 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: a hard look at the wiring diagram. Okay, find your 123 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: power supply and your ground back. There are there's more 124 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: than one oh two censor in this vehicle, right, is 125 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: this the six or the four cylinder? 126 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: Four cylinder? 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: Okay? Look at the other row two because there's gonna 128 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: be an upstream and a downstream two censor here and 129 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: they should both have heater circuits. Can we can we wire? 130 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: How hard would it be to wire the which is this? 131 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: This is the this is the pre cat oh two. 132 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: That's the pre cat How hard would it be? Is 133 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: it feasible to wire the pre cat O two heater circuit, 134 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: power and ground to the postcat O two circuit, you know, 135 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: depend it depended from the PCM. If we do that 136 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: and now it sets a fault code for the downstream 137 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: oh two, we know that the PCM is responding correctly 138 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: and the problem is somewhere in those two wires, then 139 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: do we just run two new wires. If the problem 140 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: stays with the forward oh two and it still sets 141 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: a P zero one thirty five, then you just happen 142 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: to be lucky enough to get a bad new ECM 143 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: haddah right, yeah, And I mean it can happen. It's 144 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's an extreme measure that you have to 145 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: go to. It's not so extreme. I do it quite often, 146 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: you know. I just I want to eliminate everything else. 147 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: Here's an example of you, and I know you're a 148 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: regular listening to the show, Tom. This is why I 149 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: always say, tell me what's good, I'll tell you what's bad. 150 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: You know. 151 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: It's it's I want to you know, if I take 152 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: that two censor and put it on the bench and 153 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: This is how I always explain it to people. How 154 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: does it work? In this case the heater circuit? How 155 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: can I test the heater circuit to make sure that 156 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: it's able to do what it's supposed to do? Because 157 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: all that heater circuit, this is a big light bulb, 158 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: all right, It's got resistance, it's it's drawing current, and 159 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: it's just it just needs you know, power and ground, 160 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, simple enough. But let's let's see what that does. 161 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: The fact that this is a hybrid it shouldn't really 162 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: have anything to do with it. Not not in this area, 163 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: so not in this area. So do that. Let me 164 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: give you my email, use use use ron at cardoctorshow 165 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: dot com and that'll come. That'll come right to me, 166 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: and just send me the VIN of this vehicle. And 167 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: and I also want to look up and make sure 168 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what I think the part 169 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: number is supposed to be. You know, okay, because I've 170 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: run into that too over my storied career. You know, 171 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: I'll never forget going back thirty five years ago. You 172 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: always remember the hard ones. They gave me a V 173 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: six thunderbird back in the late eighties that nobody could fix. 174 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: And it had a fresh engine in it, and it 175 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: just had a miss on one cylinder and a backfire. 176 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: And I got down to where they put a four 177 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: cylinder injector into a V six and it ran that 178 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: one cylinder lean. It would make a one cylinder missfire 179 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: and backfire. And as soon as I put the right 180 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: injector in it, the car was fixed. So I always, 181 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: I always look at part numbers, you know, I always, 182 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: I always. I've just gotten in that habit. It's those 183 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: things stay with you. So do that. I'll find the 184 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: resistance value and I'll tell you what the part numbers 185 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: should be, and we'll fix it. I'm sure we can 186 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: fix this car. This we we fixed much worse. So 187 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: let's get that. 188 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 5: That's encouraging. 189 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it can be fixed. Listen, it's you know, 190 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: I always say that there isn't a car out there 191 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: that can't be fixed. Is it financially viable that's a 192 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: different story, but you know it's it's it's if you 193 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: want to fix it, we'll fix it. 194 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 5: Well, you know, this is a great car. This is 195 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 5: a nice car, the seventeen. It's got ninety nine k 196 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 5: on it, right, And here's the kicker. I don't want 197 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 5: to tell you how long we've been chasing our tailing this, 198 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 5: but a young man wants to get it. I don't 199 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 5: know if it's his first car or not, but he's 200 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 5: being really patient, right if he's listening out there radio 201 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 5: land right right, you know? 202 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: And I and you know, my other question is why 203 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: were things miswired? You know, that's the that's in the 204 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: back of my mind. 205 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 5: I know the backstory to the car wasn't It wasn't 206 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 5: traded in because it had an issue. It was a 207 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 5: death in the family, right and and somebody boogered it 208 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 5: up along the way, and God that happened. I see 209 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 5: that way too much as a person who has to 210 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 5: make cars ready. 211 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: For people, right, right. So the connector that was miswired 212 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: was was witch connector. 213 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 5: That FRONTO two sensor? 214 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: Okay, and you know, just fresh set of eyes on it, 215 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: make sure it's wired, right. Why I wonder I wonder 216 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: why it was miswired though? What made them want to 217 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: take it apart? 218 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 5: I think I suspect it was damaged. 219 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: Right, Okay. 220 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 5: You know a lot of times people if you go 221 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 5: to change the sensor doesn't want to come apart, and 222 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 5: then you somebody just muffles onto it or beats on it, 223 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 5: and next thing you know, you got a broken You 224 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 5: got a broken connector. 225 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: Right, you know, it would be interesting to find out 226 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: what the resistance value is supposed to be and then 227 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: can we get a light bulb that will match that 228 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: resistance and unplug it and just tap into that power 229 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: and ground can we light the light bulb? I could 230 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: do that, right, but we've got to have correct resistance. 231 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: We got to have correct resistance because we don't want 232 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: to create a problem in the PCM. One of the 233 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: things you have to walk the line with this is 234 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: a Ford So any incorrect electrical values will put that 235 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: PCM INFAMEM failure mode effects management, and it may cause 236 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: the circuit to stop working under certain conditions. I don't 237 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: know that it will do that on two heaters. I've 238 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 1: never done that before, but just that's always in the 239 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: back of my mind when I work on a Ford product. 240 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: If some of the information I'm getting out of a 241 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: scan tool doesn't seem to make sense and it seems 242 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: like it's lying, I believe I'm INFAMEM. There may be 243 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: a pit, there may be a piece of data there 244 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: that will tell you for mem Yes, no, and I 245 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: would check that too. Is this car infamem? 246 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 5: So let me ask a question. If you can find 247 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 5: the resistance for that heater circuit, I could use the resistor. 248 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 5: That's not beyond my means to get the proper resistor 249 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 5: and put that in. Doesn't have to be a light bulb, right, 250 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 5: well resistance? 251 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: Well, all we're going to see then is we're just 252 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: going to know that it flows. How will we know 253 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: that it lights it up? I'm looking for I'm looking 254 00:12:58,920 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: for a. 255 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 5: Reaction, are you. 256 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to see the illumination by that same token. 257 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: Why can't I just you know, leave the two plugged 258 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: in and a clip on amp clamp? I gotta see 259 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: current flow. And if we want to know what the 260 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: current flow is supposed to be, you've got a downstream 261 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: O too, correct? Yeah, that's your good one. The cars already. 262 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: The car's got one good part on it. We know 263 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: that circuit works, and why don't we test Why don't 264 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: we learn how that one works and test it from there? 265 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: And then why doesn't this apply to the front and 266 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: switch things around? Okay, all right, so email me Tom. 267 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: I want to fix this car. I you know I 268 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it's unfixable. We're just you know, we 269 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: just got to look at it with a fresh set 270 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: of eyes. All right, brother, You're very welcome, so you too, 271 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: Bye bye, my pleasure. I'm running any in the car doctor. 272 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Don't go with. 273 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 7: You need advice on how to maintain that classic g 274 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 7: Ron is the guy eight five five five six zero 275 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 7: nine nine zero zero. Here's Ron. 276 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's keep the phone calls going. Let's go 277 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: over to Beverly and see what's going on here. Beverly. 278 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor. How can I help? 279 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 6: Thank you. I'm looking to sell a wheelchair accessible van. 280 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 6: My husband passed away not too long ago. I'm sorry 281 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 6: and thank you very much, and we're I don't need 282 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 6: it anymore, and I'm just up in the air about 283 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 6: I want something. This will probably probably be my last 284 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 6: car and something that that I can have for a 285 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 6: long time and I'll get a lot of miles on it. 286 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 6: Put a lot of miles on it. Independable. 287 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So if you were to sell, let's talk about 288 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: the van first. If you were to sell the van, 289 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: do you have somebody, a family member, or a neighbor 290 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: or somebody that if somebody were to come to the 291 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: house to look at it, you're not or alone. 292 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 6: Yes, uh huh, I could I could do that. It 293 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 6: could arrange that. 294 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think I think selling it, you know, privately, 295 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: I would think that's an easy sell. If it's a 296 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: if it's a running, in good condition handicap van, they're 297 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: in demand, you know. Unfortunately the new ones are so expensive, 298 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: and then you know people that have that need a 299 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: handicap van like that, the medical bills are so high, 300 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: so they're always looking for you know, they're they're looking 301 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: for something that's reasonable transportation. 302 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 6: I think that's research. Yeah, the prices are pretty much 303 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 6: what I thought right twenty fifteen, right, but it does 304 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 6: have one hundred thousand miles on well. 305 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: But still it's it's you know, it's you'd be amazed 306 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: what they go for and you want to be fair, 307 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: but you want to just you want to get the 308 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: value for it. So that's sure, you know that, And 309 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: I think that's you talk to the van people. I 310 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: think you put a couple of ads out there, you know, 311 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: maybe you put something up in the church bulletin board, 312 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: so to speak, or maybe even something up in the supermarket. Uh, 313 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, you'll you'll see what shows up. So that's that. 314 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: As far as far as a placement vehicle, who what 315 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: did you drive before you had the handicapped van? 316 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 6: I had a Nissan Ultima, okay? 317 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: And then who worked on that? The Nissan dealer or 318 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: did you have a private garage that worked on both? 319 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 6: Okay a couple of times, a dealer in most of 320 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 6: the time private. 321 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: All right, So this is a question of whatever you buy, 322 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, where are you going to take it for service? 323 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: All right? And you know your regular guy and everybody 324 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: has a guy. Is your regular guy or gal? I'm 325 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: going to be able to work on whatever it is 326 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: you buy, Toyota, Honda four GM, you know something in 327 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: that flavor. We don't need to get too exotic or crazy, right, 328 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, I like Toyota Camray's if that if that 329 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: fits your bill, you know, it's it's about longevity and reliability. 330 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: If if right now, I'm going to say it's not 331 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: a least because I don't think the least numbers are there, 332 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: but it's something to consider. 333 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 334 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: You know. The other the other thing is you're going 335 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: to go out and look at a newer vehicle that's 336 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: going to be like a rocket ship compared to whatever 337 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: it was that you were driving. Yeah, so you want 338 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable in it? 339 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: And yeah, I. 340 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 6: Want a car this time, I was thinking of a 341 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 6: small van. I'm in a van, but I'm not sure, right, 342 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 6: ye know, the Honda small Honda vans. But I do 343 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 6: like the Toyota Toyota camera. 344 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: Right. 345 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 6: I was looking in the parking lots right in the 346 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 6: Rosy store parking lots at everything. 347 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: And you have to go. Yeah, and you really have 348 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: to go sit in them because they've changed so much. 349 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: It's the electronics. Are the buttons where they're supposed to be? 350 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: Can you adjust and turn the heat on and off correctly? 351 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: Can you, you know, find the radio station that you 352 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: want to find? Do you sit comfortably in the car? 353 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: All of those are the things you know. I'm going 354 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: to give you a homework assignment. I want you to 355 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: go out and drive three cars and then call me 356 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: back and we'll talk about it again, and you can 357 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: give me your thoughts and then I'll give you my review. 358 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: Does that sound like a deal. 359 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 6: That sounds good? Yeah? Do you ever use consumer report 360 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 6: for anything? 361 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Beverly, hold that foot. 362 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: Let me pull over. 363 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: Take the pause. I'm mominating the card doctor. We're back 364 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: right after this. 365 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 6: Stick. 366 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: Let's see if Beverly is still there. Beverly, did we 367 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: lose he are you're still there? 368 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 6: I'm here? 369 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: Okay. So your question to me before we pulled over 370 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: was in regards to consumer reports, Yah, in terms of 371 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: using that to rank a vehicle or what exactly? You 372 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: know where you're going with that? 373 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, just to see which ones are dependable, how high 374 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 6: they're ranked. I try to take everything into consideration and 375 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 6: if they have photographs on them or in them, okay, 376 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 6: to see if it's a if it's a good fit. 377 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 6: Of course I'm not haven't driven them yet, but I 378 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 6: just try to take everything in consideration before I go 379 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 6: out and actually look for a specific one. 380 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well, let's let's have it. Let's have 381 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: the conversation this way, all right? 382 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 6: Is that backwards? No? 383 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 8: No? 384 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't. I don't think so. But 385 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: I think you know, for you you need simple all right. 386 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: You know I always tell everybody, you know, you can 387 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: put a black shingle roof on a house. You can 388 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: put a copper plated roof on a house. You could 389 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: put you know, a mason roof. I mean, there's there's 390 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: tons of different ways to put a roof on a house. 391 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: They all keep you drying, they all keep you warm. 392 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: You need a basic roof, you need a basic car. 393 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: You need you need reliable transportation. And you know, reliable 394 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: transportation today is still gonna heater, air conditioning, power, everything, radio. 395 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's still an ice car, all right. The 396 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: simpler it is, the less the amount of trouble usually, right, 397 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: there's there's more longevity. White, plain white refrigerators without ice 398 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: makers lasted a whole lot longer than we started adding 399 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: ice makers to them, and they got more complicated. Right, 400 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: So you're you're looking for a refrigerator, you're looking for 401 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: an ice box. We'll make it. Really, we'll go back 402 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: a few years, all right, we'll call it. 403 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 6: An ice box. 404 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 8: All right. 405 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you can go look at I like 406 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: what I see in consumer reports up to a point. 407 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: But you know, I think there's a bias there. I 408 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: just do. I think I've got to go and drive 409 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: it myself. I'm from Missouri when it comes to buying 410 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: a car, and I'm probably the easiest person to go 411 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: buy a car with or two, because I sit in 412 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: so many cars during the course of the week. You know, 413 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: I know what feels good, I know what I fix. 414 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: You know, I know I know what I see the 415 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: most of you know, we see everything at the shop 416 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: that we're talking about, you know, truth be told. The Toyotas, 417 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: the Hondas, the Fords, the gms are usually maintenance. It's 418 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: usually you know, fluids and filters and brakes and tires 419 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: and all the usual things that we've come to associate 420 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: with owning and operating an automobile. And you know, that's 421 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: just that's just part of it. I don't think what 422 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: year was your Nissan CenTra that you were talking about. 423 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: What year was? 424 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 6: Oh gosh, it was It was a nineteen ninety eight okay, yeah, 425 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 6: and it lasted a long time, had low mileage. 426 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: And the van is a twenty fifteen and you started 427 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: driving that as the family vehicle around what time. 428 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: About? 429 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 6: Gee, about a year ago, believe it or not? 430 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: Right, So when did you give up the Nissan? Is 431 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to go to. 432 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 6: After I had it about ten ten years? Okay, well, yeah, 433 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 6: at least ten years. 434 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: I think cars have changed. And I have to tell 435 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: you this, but cars have changed so much in the 436 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: last five years, never mind the past fifteen that that 437 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's okay to look at what 438 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: consumer report says, but until you go sit in it. 439 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm telling you the electronic overload is going to push 440 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: you out of a lot of cars. And it just is. 441 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to scare you. I'm just you know, 442 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: eyes wide open. And I think that when it comes 443 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: to buying some of the electronics on these cars, with 444 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: the touch screens and the way the dashboards are set up, 445 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: I really believe you've got to take two test drives 446 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: with the car, okay, you know, and the salesman is 447 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: going to want to go with you, and you know 448 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: they're going to be in a rush to sell you 449 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: the car. And I think you got to take a 450 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: ride during the day, and I think you have to 451 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: take I think you have to take a ride at night. 452 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: I think you have to take a ride at dusk. 453 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: You know, cars, well, cars change personalities as the sun 454 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: goes down, right, you know, it's it's all of a sudden, 455 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: you can't find the controls that you could find when 456 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: it was daylight and lit and you could easily see everything. 457 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 6: And that's a good point, you know. 458 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: And you've got to think about you know, you were 459 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: you were, you know in all kinds of weather, in 460 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of environment. You know, are you going to 461 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: be distracted? How comfortable are you going to feel in 462 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: that car? Because, as you said, you're going to be 463 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: driving this car a long time, right, Yeah. 464 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to be comfortable in it and just 465 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 6: not just just every time I get in and think, 466 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 6: oh I don't like this, I don't like that, right, 467 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 6: I just write I want the right one because it's 468 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 6: going to have to last me a long time, well 469 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 6: at least a long time. Yeah. 470 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: We want to be, We want to be. We want 471 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: to believe that. But you know what, in five years, 472 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: somebody will come out with something better and you'll change 473 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: this car. 474 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 475 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: That's that's you know, that's what life is, right, we go, 476 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: we go through the changes. But that's that's how I 477 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: would do it. And you, by all means you want 478 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: to take it out on the highway, you know, you 479 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: want to do how does the car feel fifty five 480 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: sixty miles an hour? How does the car feel? At 481 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: thirty five miles an hour. Are there any blind spots? 482 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: Can you pull up to the traffic light? Can you 483 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: pull up to the corner and make a left turn 484 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: and see out the right side? You know? Do you 485 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: have clear vision? Does something bother you? There's a lot, 486 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot to consider, because there's more, there's more. 487 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: I think there's more stimulus in a car today than 488 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: ever before. You know, it seems like some of these 489 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: cars the last thing in the world they want you 490 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: to do is drive it. 491 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 6: You know that, right? 492 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think a lot of these 493 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: cars today it's they want you to be entertained by it. 494 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 6: Uh yeah, And I I don't want to be distracted 495 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 6: by all that gizbos, right, you don't need gizey get 496 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 6: in it because radio works. I'm happy, you know, one 497 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 6: of those one of those kind of things. 498 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: Radio heater, air conditioning, wipers. You're thrilled. 499 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know. 500 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: But unfortunately all the bells and whistles are getting to 501 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: be basics today on cars and time. And you want 502 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: to and you want to have somebody go with you 503 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: because I know you alone, you know, you just want 504 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, there's strength in numbers and you know, just 505 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: remember when it comes time to make the deal. You know, 506 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: don't don't you know, don't fall in love with the 507 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: first car. This is like dating, all right, for a 508 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: better way to put it, all right, don't don't fall 509 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: in love with the first car, Beverly, you want to 510 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, you wanna, you wanna, you know, be a 511 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: little reserved and Okay, yeah, I guess I could live 512 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: with this color. I don't care if it's your most 513 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: favorite color in the whole world. You know, I guess 514 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: I could live with this color. 515 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: You know, you know that kind of hard to get. 516 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the word. I don't want to say it, 517 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: but you said it, so I'll jump on it. Yeah, 518 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: you want to play a little hard to get and uh, 519 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, see where it goes. And then you know, 520 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: when you do the paperwork, just read everything. Okay, they're 521 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna try and they're going to try and sell you 522 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: an extended warranty, all right. And you know, I have 523 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: no problem with an extended warranty. It can be a 524 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: great thing. You know, what does it cover. I'm not 525 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: so worried to engine and transmission coverage beyond a certain 526 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: amount of time and mileage. If if engines fail, If 527 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: the engine is covered by the manufacturer to sixty thousand 528 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: miles and the engine fails at seventy, it's kind of 529 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: a rare occurrence. And if it does fail at seventy 530 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: I won't say every time, but a lot of times 531 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: the manufacturer has a defect that all of a sudden 532 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: they have a recall and they cover it. You know 533 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's not the warranty coverage. I'm most 534 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: concerned with is electronics, because the electronics will get expensive. 535 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: Chances are with you, the car sounds like it's going 536 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: to do five to eight thousand miles a year if that, 537 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: and you know you're going to hit the time before 538 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: you hit the mileage. So when that car is ten 539 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: years old, what's it going to have sixty seventy thousand 540 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: miles on it? 541 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 6: Yeah? Well my other one had. My ninety eight had 542 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 6: eighty thousand miles, right, and you drove. 543 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: It and drove it what twelve years? Yeah, But that's 544 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: that's my point. You're low mileage, You're not going anywhere 545 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: in one sense, And to my other point, you know, 546 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: with you, it's not that the engine is going to 547 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: fail out of base warranty because it's probably a three 548 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: or four year warranty and fifty thousand miles engine coverage 549 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: on most of these things today, but it's the electronics. 550 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: Once that car gets past base coverage of three years, 551 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: thirty six thousand miles, now you're on the hook for 552 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 1: the electronics. What is that? And you want to look 553 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: at what does that warranty policy cost. You know, if 554 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: it's three thousand dollars and it gives you eight or 555 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: ten years of coverage, divide that out over the number 556 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: of months and so it comes out to where it 557 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: might be an extra seventy five bucks a month to 558 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: have electronics coverage. And that's that's kind of a good thing. 559 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: You know, that's that's kind of a good thing. 560 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 7: Do this. 561 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 6: Would you recommend a couple of year old car and 562 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 6: I'm not sure I want a brand new car? Well, yeah, 563 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 6: so get the price downte CPO. 564 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: Certified pre owned is what you're looking for. Is the 565 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: term certified pre mean that it's a newer car, lower mileage, 566 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: that the manufacturers dealer has gone through it, they've certified 567 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: it in you know whatever. The magic number is seventy 568 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: areas one hundred and forty areas whatever number they come 569 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: up with for marketing, and it means that it's also 570 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: going to come with a decent guarantee. So I have 571 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: no problem with the certified pre owned and you know 572 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: you can save some bucks there, you know. You just 573 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: the thing you've got to look at is there's going 574 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: to be a difference between the finance the finance costs. 575 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: You know, if the manufacturer, if Toyota, for example, has 576 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: a two and a half percent interest rate for new cars, 577 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: and you buy a certified pre owned, is it a 578 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: higher interest rate? So if it's for example, if it's 579 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: five percent versus two and a half percent, and you're 580 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: saving ten thousand dollars, is it worth the cost savings 581 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: because of the extra interest you're going to be paying, 582 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: You've got to go You've got to calculate that out too. Yeah. Sure, 583 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: all right, go back and do what I said, you know, 584 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: drive through three cars, pick three cars, come back and 585 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: talk to me and you know, get the numbers. Don't 586 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: sign anything until we talk, and then we'll go from there. 587 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 6: All right, Okay, Well, thank you so very much. 588 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: You're very welcome, Beverly. 589 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 6: I really appreciate it. 590 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,479 Speaker 1: You're very well. Okay, all right, you'll be well and 591 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk again. 592 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: Have a good one you to bye bye, thank you, 593 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: You're welcome. 594 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm running inning in the car doctor. I'll be back 595 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: right after this. 596 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 8: Don't go away, and let's. 597 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: Let's continue on this hour. Let's let's go over to 598 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: ed in Fairlawn, New Jersey, Edward run the car doctor 599 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: at your service, sir, How can I help? 600 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: Hi? 601 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 5: Ron? 602 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: I have a two thousand and six SI on X 603 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: day with three hundred and fifty five thousand miles. 604 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: Wow, just broken? It go ahead, just broken? 605 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: It runs like a new car right reasonably, it's a 606 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: up an intermittent engine. Miss, it's set a T three 607 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: oh three and a T three oh four code. I 608 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: pulled the coat of plugs out and found center electrodes 609 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 3: for cylinders three and four completely eroded away. 610 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 611 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: These plugs, which were the best iridium I could buy, 612 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: had only fifty five thousand miles on it. I expected 613 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 3: them to last a little longer. What would cause only 614 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: the two plugs to be eroded away? I've owned this 615 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: car since it was new, changed the plugs many times 616 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: in the three hundred and fifty thousand miles every time 617 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 3: they changed the plugs. The insulators are like pure white. 618 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 3: Is this normal color for plugs today? 619 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't, we don't. We don't follow. You know, 620 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: in the old days of hot rod, which I suspect 621 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: you were part of that culture at you know, used 622 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: to look and we'd expect to see a tan insulator, 623 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: and then later on I learned that it's it's not 624 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: the whole insulator, it's the ring around the base. That's why. 625 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: You know, back in the old days you used to 626 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: see champions spark plug for one, had that flashlight with 627 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: a magnifying glass on it. You look all the way 628 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: down the base of the electrode and you can see 629 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: the color. To your point, i'd be looking at fuel trim. 630 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: Is fuel trim changing? And it's possible we've got some 631 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: sort of a mechanical issue going on in cylinders three 632 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: and four. The one thought that comes to my immediate 633 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: mind is is it using any coolant? Are you starting 634 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: to see coolant loss in the engine? 635 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 3: Not much, you know, it's something every every Sunday I 636 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: checked the oil, check the water, and maybe once every 637 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: two months I had a couple ounces just to bring 638 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 3: the level up to the line all right, Well the extension. 639 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: If it's not leaking all right, which I would expect 640 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: you would see because you sound pretty meticulous, then what 641 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: if we were to, you know, think that maybe we've 642 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: got a seeping head gas if between those two and 643 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: it's creating a combustion or pressure problem in those two cylinders, 644 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: why don't we put a little bit of k seal, 645 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: some cooling system sealer in it. Case seal K seal 646 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: is not going to hurt it, right if and you 647 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: know on an older vehicle where gaskets are getting a 648 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: little CP and getting a little tired, it can only help. 649 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: And you know, just keep watching it. If the cool 650 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: loss goes away and all of a sudden your center 651 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: electrode problem goes away. You know. The other thing is, 652 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, watch fuel trim. Measure your fuel trim before 653 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: you put the k seal in it, you know, measure 654 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: your fuel trim after you put the k seal in it, 655 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: and you know, start looking at the numbers. But there's 656 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: going to be something particular to those two cylinders. Obviously. 657 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: You can also go through and do a fuel system cleaning, 658 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: try and find yourself a CRC fuel system kit. At 659 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: your local Ota parts store. They'll do a real good 660 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: job and clean things up for you. And you know, 661 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: just normally at this mileage, it's not a bad idea 662 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: for maintenance. But I think you're gonna find it's going 663 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: to be something related to those two cylinders, the fact 664 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: that it wore out the electrodes there. What's common. The 665 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: most common thing is that the head gaskets. Head gasket 666 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: itself is starting to get a little seepy. It might 667 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: be interesting, real quick if you were to pressurize the 668 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: cooling system overnight, let it sit cold, pull the plugs 669 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: out and look inside the cylinder with a flashlight and 670 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: get down in there. Do you see any cooling drops 671 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: laying on top of the pistons? Okay, do those things? Yeah? 672 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: Do those things? Ed call me back, let me know 673 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: if you need more, and I'm here to help you. 674 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car. Doctor, we're back right 675 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: after this. Let's real quick, go to Don and talk 676 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: to him about us two thousand and seven Ford Edge, Don, 677 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: what's going on? 678 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: So I was on the way home Monday night Ron 679 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: and started getting the charging indicator. Red battery showed up 680 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: with the dash and some whining in the cell phone reception, 681 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: sort of like winding on the AM radio that used 682 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: to do with alternators. Got home, battery was down to 683 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: twenty five percent. Lights were dim put a charger on it. 684 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 2: Next morning, the battery was up to twelve point two. 685 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: Twelve point three started the car. Check the battery of 686 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: VOLTZ is again across the battery with it running, and 687 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: it drops to twelve point one, which indicated to me 688 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: it's the alternator, the alternator's original two hundred ninety thousand miles. 689 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 2: The belts are brand new, the fully tension pull on, 690 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: there's brand new. Put that in when I did the 691 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 2: stretch belt for the power steering pump back in the summer. 692 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: And so I just want to make sure I'm not 693 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 2: missing anything. 694 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: No, I don't think you are done. The one thing 695 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: I would tell you to do real quick is you know, 696 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: do you have any fold coach? There's no check engine 697 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: light on. I would just check the seats are there 698 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: any Is there any charging system related faults, believe it 699 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: or not, that alternator will set that will set sometimes 700 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: set a PCM fault code a six twenty or six 701 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: twenty six. There's some vaulted drop testing you can do, 702 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: but at two hundred and ninety thousand miles. If you 703 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: want to look it up on a scam, we'll see 704 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: if the PCM is trying to charge it. Other than that, 705 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: I think you're headed for an ultimate and you're going 706 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: in the right direction. I'm ronning any in the car 707 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: doctor until the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 708 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: See it.