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Speaker 1: guess what a joke has been said this morning that
Speaker 1: I think is funny? Said this, and I have to
Speaker 1: say the joke please famously Sewn Mendez and Camilla Cabello
Speaker 1: and item we're putting in quotes as of September twel
Speaker 1: the day over this recording, they are together. As of
Speaker 1: this day, they are together. Whether this is in a
Speaker 1: real way or a Hollywood way, which you know what
Speaker 1: happens that people they they're they're they're trotted out there
Speaker 1: and we're just too accept it. We don't know though,
Speaker 1: if the love is real. But they have decided to
Speaker 1: dip their foot into some comedy. And you've seen the
Speaker 1: Instagram video. Yeah, And you and I have a fundamental
Speaker 1: disagreement on this. You think it's like we do them
Speaker 1: many things and that's healthy, yes, But you think it's
Speaker 1: them trolling. I think it's I. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I think about it, but when I saw it, I
Speaker 1: was like, I respect that. I commented that I respected it.
Speaker 1: You commented that you respected it, and then you said
Speaker 1: that it's trolling in a way that is very aware
Speaker 1: that everyone knows that Sean is gaye I said, But
Speaker 1: then my thing is that I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's they think that they're being funny and clever, but
Speaker 1: they're still trying to convince people that they're together in
Speaker 1: that Sean straight. I honestly, I don't know what to
Speaker 1: think anymore. When I watched that v m A performance,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's a gay guy and his
Speaker 1: best girlfriend. Yeah, but I'm also loving noses Can. I
Speaker 1: also just I think there's a third camp here we're
Speaker 1: I don't care. I think I think he's I think
Speaker 1: he's I think he's okay. And not to be like
Speaker 1: nihilistic and be like it doesn't matter, nothing matters, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying like I don't have truly a strong opinion
Speaker 1: on his sexuality. I would say this, this is how
Speaker 1: I feel about the Well, first, let me say what
Speaker 1: the joke was. This is why we got into this
Speaker 1: was because, first and foremost, it's a comedy podcast. We
Speaker 1: focus on the comedy, not not dissecting people's sexuality. It's
Speaker 1: just not what we focus on. But go ahead. I
Speaker 1: pulled open the video and it's the video. It shows
Speaker 1: the two of them and our guests said the other two,
Speaker 1: that's so funny, and we love that, love that, And
Speaker 1: so basically my opinion on the whole thing is I
Speaker 1: think people should leave Sean Mendez largely alone. Like I
Speaker 1: don't like when people like what bothered me was like
Speaker 1: when they were all like, cancel Sean Mendace for not
Speaker 1: being true to himself, bitch no, because it's like he's,
Speaker 1: you know what, he is open about his like debilitating anxiety,
Speaker 1: and you writing hashtag Seawan Mendez's over party can't be
Speaker 1: good for that. So it's like, if you want to
Speaker 1: make a joke about Sean Mendez and Camilla Cabo, make
Speaker 1: your jokes whatever, but don't attack the people. I've I've
Speaker 1: been on too many I've been in too many different
Speaker 1: cities and opened up my Tinder and all these cities
Speaker 1: to see too many, too many gays like pose at
Speaker 1: the meet and greets with Sean and like in their
Speaker 1: faggiest attire, and Sean just looks happy. Sea is happy
Speaker 1: as a damn. Sean is just so like welcoming and warm,
Speaker 1: it seems, and we shouldn't like he's not homophobic. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, is like It's like when there was
Speaker 1: a hashtag to cancel him. I'm like, truly, why, and
Speaker 1: then I remembered, oh, yeah, because gay men are so
Speaker 1: cruel to each other. We become our own bullies. This
Speaker 1: was an experience I had it in the college. So
Speaker 1: when I went to the college, I actually approached my
Speaker 1: dorm mates and I was we had a big smile
Speaker 1: on my face when I was doing so, and I
Speaker 1: would walk room to room trying to make connections and friends.
Speaker 1: And it was most difficult with the gas with the
Speaker 1: gay men, the out gay men. When you were closeted
Speaker 1: it or they presidious, closetive, the cruelty close closet you said,
Speaker 1: closet of collotive. I love it. Yeah, it's actually really
Speaker 1: culture number eleven. When I was in the I was positive.
Speaker 1: But my thing is like, wow, wow, wow, the cruelty
Speaker 1: of it, all that that has, the meanness, that that has, disrespect,
Speaker 1: that that has has, and to be seeing it now
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, the year of our Lord, it's very disenchanting.
Speaker 1: It's so disenchanting, But you know who is so enchanting.
Speaker 1: I've been enchanted, our guest. I was enchanted to meet him.
Speaker 1: I wasn't chanting to me, Taylor, Taylor. He walked down
Speaker 1: the street to the studio, book in hand, clutching the book,
Speaker 1: and I clutched my pearls and you clutched your pearls.
Speaker 1: And I've been telling you to read this damn book.
Speaker 1: Trick marriage, Gia Talentino. I'm only halfway through, but it's blow.
Speaker 1: It's truly rocked my world. And I don't trust anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't trust the Internet. I don't trust the vectors
Speaker 1: by which we have been deceived, none of them. And
Speaker 1: our guest is backing his finger. Okay, let's go to
Speaker 1: the well. He may not trust it anymore as a
Speaker 1: result of reading the book. I don't know what his
Speaker 1: mind state was before. I want mind state. I want
Speaker 1: to get into his his perspective on this. And oh
Speaker 1: my god, the credits. Bitch Matilda, Hello Dolly, we got
Speaker 1: a back in the studio. We got a back in
Speaker 1: the studio. Do you have enhance? We ever had a
Speaker 1: back in the student? Don't think so. I don't think
Speaker 1: we have, do you? Ev Hansen? I'm sorry, I just
Speaker 1: I just want to just get this out of the
Speaker 1: way before we bring him in. Um I think out
Speaker 1: of all the roles and Wicked, I would be a back.
Speaker 1: I think you would so once I'm glad, I'm heartless.
Speaker 1: I'm heartless killing her. Do you know wonder I think
Speaker 1: is the good role in Wicked? Yeah? I think Knessa
Speaker 1: Rose is the good role in Wicked. And I think
Speaker 1: it is eraser that they don't have Wicked Witch of
Speaker 1: the East on the soundtrack. And I know I'm not alone.
Speaker 1: I know that I know that I'm not the only
Speaker 1: one to ever say this, but I will say thank
Speaker 1: you for amplifying those voices. We have to because guess
Speaker 1: who gets a lot of the attention and Wicked back
Speaker 1: and and and Bok. It's like, can you imagine if
Speaker 1: if like the breakout role in Wicked was Bock. Well,
Speaker 1: this bitch broke out. But but I think he would
Speaker 1: even a test that after every show you know it
Speaker 1: was about Alphaba. Yeah, but for some boys it's about Bock.
Speaker 1: I have to ask him about who his Alphaba was,
Speaker 1: because I will Okay, we need we just need to
Speaker 1: bring him into this, into this conversation. I love him
Speaker 1: so much. And a funny bit and a funny aspect.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can turn a tweet and you say, ha
Speaker 1: ha ha ha. Now please welcome into your ears Shawn Mendez, guys,
Speaker 1: what are your ears? Tailor trap? I was hoping when
Speaker 1: you were started the transition with disenchanted or you know
Speaker 1: who we are enchanted with? I was hoping you'd say Amy, Well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't chanted by Ammy in that film. But I
Speaker 1: don't like that they're making the title disenchanted of the sequel.
Speaker 1: What is that true? That's the title for the sequel.
Speaker 1: There's a sequel. Yep. Patrick Dempsey has been making the rounds.
Speaker 1: I know what will happen in this because you know
Speaker 1: famously at the end famous iconic elf about Menzel but
Speaker 1: of course and he remained. So I love the movie
Speaker 1: until she decided to go. It's like remember the movie
Speaker 1: Pleasant film James Marston in the cartoon Land, Absolutely okay,
Speaker 1: but pleasant pleasant Phille at the end, where with this
Speaker 1: one decides to just live in that world, right, It's like,
Speaker 1: what why would you wouldn't She stays in black and white.
Speaker 1: She stays in black and white because she wants to
Speaker 1: go to college. It's like girl girl, community college, occasional
Speaker 1: school actions. There are so many opportunities. That is classes.
Speaker 1: It's classes. That's a lead us reason with this one
Speaker 1: to say I'm gonna stay in this sorry but very
Speaker 1: white and black pleasant pillet. I don't know, I mean.
Speaker 1: And then we have a Dina being a cartoon forever.
Speaker 1: People are gonna be looking at her. Doesn't she have
Speaker 1: like work obligations? I would follow James Marston into a
Speaker 1: sewer in Times square and a half and half and
Speaker 1: you and Taylor has wow, I who knows that? I think.
Speaker 1: I think the movie is gonna be Amy being jaded
Speaker 1: in New York and wanting to go back. That might
Speaker 1: be because getting your dreams is strange, but it seems
Speaker 1: a little well complicated. There's a kind of a sort
Speaker 1: of cost don't know any of these words anymore. It's
Speaker 1: like what is this friend? This? Wait? Okay, in our
Speaker 1: in our in our cursory research of you, I don't
Speaker 1: know you. You did ship and Dylan Colorado? Yeah, of course?
Speaker 1: Wait do you? What's your what's your assessment of Colorado
Speaker 1: now that you're away? Um? It was beautiful. I love Colorado, fun,
Speaker 1: dylans gorge. Um, I ate so many like eggplant, palm subs.
Speaker 1: That was like my main memory of Dylan Colorado. It
Speaker 1: was gorge doing theater at twelve feet Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And in rep we did like five shows and every
Speaker 1: like you would rotate every night, like one night you're
Speaker 1: doing cabaret, the next little shop of horror is the
Speaker 1: next rocky horror? Is that crazy making or fun? It
Speaker 1: was fun until like halfway through the camp or halfway
Speaker 1: through the summer. We then had to become counselors for children,
Speaker 1: and I staged in choreographic production of one one Dalmatians,
Speaker 1: and the girl who played Corrella like look out for
Speaker 1: her because she nailed my beautiful coat. It's like her
Speaker 1: big number. But anyway, like not what I thought. We
Speaker 1: all had to be counselors, but it turned out you
Speaker 1: could opt out, and so most of the actors opted out,
Speaker 1: And so I was responsible for like one hundred nine
Speaker 1: year olds and you opted into. You were like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be noble here and be a counselor. Well I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have if I had known it was an option,
Speaker 1: got it. But so I was like wrangling a hundred
Speaker 1: nine year olds. One of them was on the autism spectrum,
Speaker 1: and like a teacher needs to go through the specific
Speaker 1: training with Yeah, and I was like, this is not
Speaker 1: I'm not being helpful to anyone here. It was the
Speaker 1: biggest tragedy. People don't talk about that. People don't talk
Speaker 1: about it, but oh my god, I mean did you
Speaker 1: so did you ski while it was the summer, the summer,
Speaker 1: but you go beautiful hikes though, gorge hikes, gorgeous bike.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't believe I don't know how to ride a bike.
Speaker 1: Still still to the stage that we would have used
Speaker 1: this time differently. We could have we're gonna got you
Speaker 1: out on the street, and we could we could have
Speaker 1: been like, you're doing it actually learning to try to bike.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Matt was the most traumatic
Speaker 1: moment in my life between me and my dad where
Speaker 1: I truly hated him and wanted to kill him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went through much worse trauma than that in my life,
Speaker 1: but it was trauma. Okay, so then are you now?
Speaker 1: It was just a conscious like I'm not I'm never
Speaker 1: going to learn. I think it was like I got
Speaker 1: on once and fell, yeah, and I could scoot. It
Speaker 1: was like the era of razors. So I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you yeah, I can get from place. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: feel like there's such a there's such a period in
Speaker 1: life where it was like, these are my outside years
Speaker 1: and you have to roll on something to get from
Speaker 1: place to place and as long as you're able. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the thing is like, so you had a Razor scooter,
Speaker 1: which is the good one, but of course, okay, see
Speaker 1: I had one of the knockoff scooters that were like
Speaker 1: not as good and yeah, and you could feel like
Speaker 1: when whenever your your friend would let you get on
Speaker 1: his razors his or her or are they z scooter
Speaker 1: you could just feel the quality. Paul, do you have
Speaker 1: a Razor scooter? There's nothing like just sliding over gravel,
Speaker 1: smooth ride. And when you were given the privilege of
Speaker 1: finding some newly paved asphalt on a Razor scooter? About it? Son? Like,
Speaker 1: in I think, um, I feel like Razor scooters are
Speaker 1: sort of a passing item, you know. Oh, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like I was like out there being like in
Speaker 1: my in my head being like I don't want I
Speaker 1: want people to know that I'm different, So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to write the scooter. Oh and so what was
Speaker 1: your mote of transportation? Want? Honey? Okay, everywhere I go
Speaker 1: from wait, I mean okay, So like at this point,
Speaker 1: you guys were this is so I don't I don't
Speaker 1: quite know what I'm trying to ask, but we're razor
Speaker 1: scooters to you like a way to like blend in. Well,
Speaker 1: I will say for me, it was like was it
Speaker 1: a mask signified or was it like you like face? Sure,
Speaker 1: I mean, but I couldn't do like because I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was the handlebars that made it okay. But
Speaker 1: like my friends would be skateboarding, and I don't know
Speaker 1: about you guys, but that's something I can never ever however,
Speaker 1: like truly, how do you do it and not die?
Speaker 1: You know? Because it's like is it like a balanced thing? Like?
Speaker 1: But I remember like my cousins, like they would all
Speaker 1: play on their half pipe and they would have specifically
Speaker 1: half pipe birthdays, and it was like I would sit
Speaker 1: on the side and be like, I am that's an
Speaker 1: act of violence, that's domestic terror. It was aggressive and
Speaker 1: me sitting on the side like not being able to
Speaker 1: do this, like it's like maybe I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's like are there gay people who can see? There
Speaker 1: must be there must be out there. But it was
Speaker 1: something that my body refused to allow me to do
Speaker 1: like people. Some people just can't whistle. I can't do
Speaker 1: you can't you need, you need? None of us can whistle,
Speaker 1: suck in or or blow out. I can't do it. Oh,
Speaker 1: that was the first time it's ever to happen. Stop,
Speaker 1: everybody's got that was crazy that I said, I can't whistle,
Speaker 1: have never whistled, tried one time and whistled. I've seen
Speaker 1: Goodie Rodgers with the Devil. It will never happen again.
Speaker 1: It will never happen again, only that one. Wow. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Does it break your heart that you can't
Speaker 1: do it? I feel whistled because no, I'm I'm over great.
Speaker 1: There are so many parts in musical theater world and
Speaker 1: I'll be watching it and like the person will just
Speaker 1: be whistling, and well, maybe I can do that. Barpup
Speaker 1: can't whistle. So there's probably whole things you can't do
Speaker 1: because you can't. Yes, so many shows I haven't been
Speaker 1: able to be a part of. So good about that
Speaker 1: as you get to sit yeah, until until, of course
Speaker 1: you famously spoiler alert stand you know, which is actually
Speaker 1: like a horrible idea because of that, that could have
Speaker 1: been like an incredible role for so many actresses and
Speaker 1: your hair like Ali Stroker should be Ness Rose, but
Speaker 1: then she would have to stand. But it's like, let's
Speaker 1: just see g I Yeah, Wow, that Wicked movie is
Speaker 1: really going to happen. Huh. I hope. So that's what
Speaker 1: they mean. They've been mendez. I think. Um, I think
Speaker 1: this is like basic Broadway knowledge for everyone else, but
Speaker 1: for a plebeian like me, I can't get over the
Speaker 1: fact that Libby from Sabrina the Teenager, which was generally
Speaker 1: green generally is a fantastic and understudy for Alpha Button.
Speaker 1: I saw her in Tampa in my hometown, saw her
Speaker 1: go on for free. Oh my god, there's so many
Speaker 1: things I have to ask. We have to ask you who,
Speaker 1: who your alphabet was? Who your Okay? So when I
Speaker 1: did it for a very short time, I was only
Speaker 1: there for three months, and it was like I auditioned
Speaker 1: for another show called dog Fight starring Annalie Ashford, very
Speaker 1: much the same um and I went in and they
Speaker 1: were like, no, you gave bitch, like absolutely not coming.
Speaker 1: It was this I know. It was the same director
Speaker 1: as Wicked, and he was like, you can't be in this,
Speaker 1: but do you want to be in Wicked? For three months,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I would like that, And
Speaker 1: so I got to do it for three months while
Speaker 1: someone else was like doing it out of town job,
Speaker 1: and so I did it for three months. It was
Speaker 1: Jackie Burns was and seans really Schwartz was a comedic genius.
Speaker 1: See I mean that Glenda part like you can really
Speaker 1: turn the part you commednic. So you know who I
Speaker 1: recently worked with, who I often forget, wasn't alphabet but chic,
Speaker 1: so I wrote, I wrote on a project with her,
Speaker 1: and she she like, um. I went then afterwards I
Speaker 1: went back and looked at her alphab but like her
Speaker 1: voice in reef madness to like cuckoo bananas. These these
Speaker 1: these comedy queens who can sing? What's the one that
Speaker 1: one chick on that TV Parker? Yeah, Miss swan an incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Miss Swan was amazing. Wilson would be a Wilson will
Speaker 1: be a crazy it should be amazing. Stop it stop
Speaker 1: right there? Oh oh Deborah Wilson. We we need we
Speaker 1: need to get Debra on now. I need to ask
Speaker 1: Taylor what your thoughts where are you? And Gia Talentina,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? Like? What do you make of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm early, I'm on, I say to her, reality TV
Speaker 1: was exactly reality TV me. Um, I did delete my
Speaker 1: Twitter after reading the first essay. Crazy, Yes, seriously, you
Speaker 1: know what. I recognize this because I looked. I searched
Speaker 1: for you the other day and I was like, we're
Speaker 1: missing like content in my president. I was missing your
Speaker 1: content and were looking for the repel's drag race, guest
Speaker 1: starring special guests. This is so funny. I was just
Speaker 1: telling Bowen today the benefits of maybe the leading Twitter.
Speaker 1: So what was that about it that made you do this?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you should just read the Estercially
Speaker 1: don't want to, but it was so many things, but
Speaker 1: it was like essentially spending all of this time and
Speaker 1: energy like thinking I was affecting any home, whereas like
Speaker 1: I could be better using that time to like actual things.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I mean, maybe I'll just I'll spoil it
Speaker 1: very lightly, just give us broad strokes. What's going on?
Speaker 1: I told you that I told you this overwhind the
Speaker 1: other night. So this essay, it's called the Eye and Internet.
Speaker 1: It's the first thing in her book. It rocks your
Speaker 1: fucking moral So funny, so funny, so funny, and she
Speaker 1: fucking ships on Barry Weiss for like a whole three
Speaker 1: pages and parenthetical after a sentence about Nive Schulman where
Speaker 1: she says he punched a girl in calle Yes, I
Speaker 1: laughed at a lout. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: sing shocking. Is that the guy from Cafish? Yes? Um
Speaker 1: she so she bade her whole thesis is like the
Speaker 1: Internet distorts your whole distorts like four different things or five,
Speaker 1: but I can I can't remember four. I just just
Speaker 1: distrots your sense of identity. You identify your you canflate
Speaker 1: like your own identity with like someone else's u or
Speaker 1: and then distorts your sense of solidarity where it's like
Speaker 1: you think that you are standing with like a movement
Speaker 1: by not really doing anything, or or it's how you
Speaker 1: know me too. Was collapsed into like one half dog,
Speaker 1: even though it was trying to represent a breadth of experiences.
Speaker 1: But then it gives ammunition to the other side to
Speaker 1: be like, well, look, these women think that being going
Speaker 1: on a bad date is the same as being raped.
Speaker 1: It was like it just it fucks that up for everybody.
Speaker 1: And then scale was one yeah, scale, scale, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: think that like scale, scale, and yeah, and he scale
Speaker 1: like music, la la la. I went on a scale
Speaker 1: the other day, was shocked at the results. Okay, light
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, I was how light my bathroom window?
Speaker 1: When a breeze stop me right off my scale. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the scale didn't break, it got bigger. I got on
Speaker 1: the scale and it got bigger. It's a compensate. It
Speaker 1: was like something in this room mask to take up space.
Speaker 1: Let me be heavier, money shop in the petite section
Speaker 1: to yourself. Yeah me, I'm huge. I'm the scale disgusting
Speaker 1: discussing sto sorry okay. And then the last thing a
Speaker 1: scale and because scale where you think like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: one person says something means everyone thinks or a bunch
Speaker 1: of people are saying this, but really no one's saying it,
Speaker 1: Like it sucks that up. And then and then the
Speaker 1: other thing is opinions. You end up thinking that rather
Speaker 1: than opinions being the first step towards action, it's the
Speaker 1: end in and of itself, where you're like, well, as
Speaker 1: long as I form an opinion and I expressed that outwardly,
Speaker 1: then I've done my I've done my duty. That's like
Speaker 1: the same as taking any sort of political action exactly,
Speaker 1: tweeting like this is bad, yeah, exactly, and you feel
Speaker 1: like you've scratched an itch and you're like a person,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's always been so interesting. I love
Speaker 1: that people are talking about this now, and I'm excited
Speaker 1: that people are reading this book, and and I'm excited
Speaker 1: to read it because I do think there is a
Speaker 1: lot of fresh station when things don't happen, because even
Speaker 1: because haven't you been on social media, obviously it is happening.
Speaker 1: It's like, you have to remember that literally when you
Speaker 1: are opting into social media, you are opting into a
Speaker 1: social media bubble, and you can only see what you've
Speaker 1: chosen to see, and the people can only choose to
Speaker 1: see you if they choose to see you. So it's
Speaker 1: like until you are truly influential and famous, like you
Speaker 1: don't just have a tweet that gets like passed around, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like they're not actually exchanging thoughts and ideas,
Speaker 1: and so I think that is you know, I think
Speaker 1: as we've seen in the past four years, like the
Speaker 1: frustration and disbelief that we can be in the situation
Speaker 1: that we're in. It's like, well, we're not actually or
Speaker 1: the majority of us aren't actually doing anything right. But
Speaker 1: this is the yeah, And the thing that kind of
Speaker 1: blows my mind that she like leads the essay with
Speaker 1: is that she's like, um, you can just walk down
Speaker 1: the streets and people will be like, oh, there's that person.
Speaker 1: That person exists. But in on the Internet, in order
Speaker 1: to exist, you have to contribute. You have to make
Speaker 1: yourself known by posting something right. You constantly have to
Speaker 1: like engage with it in order for people to know that,
Speaker 1: in order for people to know that you are there
Speaker 1: and curate a very specific version of yourself, like going
Speaker 1: on trips and like being with friends exactly exactly. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fantastic. I'm so proud. I'm so impressed that you
Speaker 1: deleted your Twitter. I mean, I'm all, I'm almost there.
Speaker 1: It feels great. Honestly, I spent I was also came
Speaker 1: from I would like look at my phone and you
Speaker 1: know how it tells you, like how much time you've spent.
Speaker 1: I think like one day I got to like ten
Speaker 1: hours and I was like, I've dropped it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, it's ten is so much. It's so much.
Speaker 1: I've I recently was confronted by my phone and they
Speaker 1: said that it actually very rudely said to me that
Speaker 1: I had been on my phone for an average of
Speaker 1: seven hours and thirty six minutes, And I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so much time guaranteed on on any given day,
Speaker 1: more than I've slept easily. Yeah, h which is shoo spooky.
Speaker 1: It's very spooky and spooky cookie crazy title of apple. Um.
Speaker 1: But then then then you feel like, do you feel
Speaker 1: like since deleting it, you already concentse a little bit
Speaker 1: of a change and that you're doing other things? Did
Speaker 1: you start reading this book when like I'd already started,
Speaker 1: But like, um, now I like exercise more. I like
Speaker 1: to just go on walks around the neighborhood. I volunteer
Speaker 1: at many organiz I don't I do, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been such a short time, but I do feel
Speaker 1: like it's better in the long run. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh that's staying. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. I can't
Speaker 1: give it up and can also it's so that's annoying,
Speaker 1: but like, if we want to have any sort of
Speaker 1: career in the entering, you have to have some Yeah
Speaker 1: that's what's frustrating. That's so gross. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like you have to kind of like you will
Speaker 1: if actively die to people, if you do not exist
Speaker 1: in somewhere on the internet. And then people are always like,
Speaker 1: well I would delete it, but then like how will
Speaker 1: I promote stuff? And how will I do this? Will
Speaker 1: people think this? This? This? And you want to tell
Speaker 1: them like no, of course they won't. Everything will be fine.
Speaker 1: But then you're in your head like will it I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like it's weird, it's we've let it take
Speaker 1: over to such an extent, like it's not. I wonder
Speaker 1: sometimes if it's this thing that like you don't actually need,
Speaker 1: like you you don't know, but if you're going to
Speaker 1: do a certain thing. That's like a friend of mine
Speaker 1: told me recently, the Oscar winner j K. Simmons is
Speaker 1: a series regular on a television show and its second season,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know because he's not
Speaker 1: tweeting about it. It's like when you find out it's
Speaker 1: it's like when you find out like, um, like that
Speaker 1: Jennifer love Hugh it is still is still working regularly
Speaker 1: or like you know, like that Julia Stiles is actually
Speaker 1: in Hustlers. Yeah she is. Opens tonight we're seeing it tonight.
Speaker 1: So this is of course, it is September twelve, two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, and we're recording this episode now on the
Speaker 1: day that we were going to go see Hustlers, and
Speaker 1: have you read these reviews? Of course, Jennifer Lopez gets
Speaker 1: emotional when she finds out she's maybe in the running
Speaker 1: for an Oscar. She certainly didn't. I watched the video
Speaker 1: of this. She said, it's obviously amazing, and you know
Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't matter, but it does. If Jennifer
Speaker 1: Lopez give us a performance that is worthy of an
Speaker 1: Oscar nomination, I will absolutely cry from joy. Of course,
Speaker 1: you were really going through it with Selena the other day,
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, So basically I I said that. I
Speaker 1: said that I was going to do something that I
Speaker 1: did not end up following up on, which was I
Speaker 1: was going to do a Jalo marathon. I was going
Speaker 1: to watch five iconic j Loo movies and the five
Speaker 1: days leading up to tonight when we're gonna go see Hustlers,
Speaker 1: and I watched Made in Manhattan and Selena and then
Speaker 1: ran out of time and couldn't do the other three
Speaker 1: I was going to do, which we're enough Monster in
Speaker 1: law and not the cell It actually was no, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, wait, why am I losing? The last one
Speaker 1: wasn't out of sight at the next door. No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't the boy extra either, the one with Leah Remony.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Second act was my favorite. Second act
Speaker 1: is so good. Oh my god. Everyone needs to see
Speaker 1: second Act. There are moments in it that will make
Speaker 1: you scream, not from laughter but from terror. She didn't
Speaker 1: soon as she run into the glass door or something.
Speaker 1: There are two moments of broad physical comedy that are
Speaker 1: in a different movie that you're that you're so grateful for,
Speaker 1: including she trips over a partition in a supermarket and
Speaker 1: then she lets a bunch of birds fly during a
Speaker 1: presentation at the end of the movie and they get
Speaker 1: all huge. Basically, it's like she's revealing at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie. Of course she works at like some
Speaker 1: perfume company or like whatever, so she's like, this is
Speaker 1: the perfume and then like the doves fly in the
Speaker 1: middle of the park, the doves fly into the street,
Speaker 1: they get hit by everyone goes oh, and then the
Speaker 1: scene is over. They never addressed it again and the
Speaker 1: probably doesn't success. It's basically like scary movie three, like
Speaker 1: like the pencils making thrown, It's so did that basically,
Speaker 1: it's you think they'd be like a rule of three,
Speaker 1: there would be like a third huge moment of unwarranted
Speaker 1: physical comedy, but there is not. It is so good,
Speaker 1: It is so good to watch. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, monster a lot enough, Selena made in
Speaker 1: Manhattan and the wedding Planner, the wedding but I've seen
Speaker 1: the wedding Planner so many times? Right, So can we
Speaker 1: have just a round table discussion on this for one second, Jennifer,
Speaker 1: And here's the let's say this. This is Hollywood reporter
Speaker 1: actresses in Hollywood. Who's who was Jamie Adams? Every single one? Regina?
Speaker 1: I was going to be Amy Adams. You think I'm
Speaker 1: Regina King, Yeah, but I do believe that. Actually at
Speaker 1: this table, I am Gaga. Okay, Okay, who's your Glen.
Speaker 1: There's Andrews, Glenn h you're Glenn sitting over there and
Speaker 1: you won win Oscar this year. Before we move on
Speaker 1: really quickly, I do have to say about Gina Rodriguez.
Speaker 1: He first Hollywood Report around table was um Best Actress,
Speaker 1: Lead Lead Actress, comedy, and she like she starts talking
Speaker 1: about like body positivity and then she turns to Lena
Speaker 1: Dunham and goes, I mean you've done so much the
Speaker 1: body positivity movement. And then when you can see it
Speaker 1: like sort of like Lena just doesn't really know how
Speaker 1: to take and she's like, oh, thank you, I love it. Whatever,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Everyone see it out anyway. Anyway, here's
Speaker 1: here's a sentence with which I will start. Okay, Jennifer
Speaker 1: Lopez is good actress? Yes, okay, now when you I
Speaker 1: forgot what was it, Betty Gilpin, when you played actress
Speaker 1: or star? Yes? Yes, I was in a van recently
Speaker 1: with many people on ice throughout Jennifer Lopez while playing
Speaker 1: that game, and it was a huge point of contection.
Speaker 1: I was like, I am a very like even keeled
Speaker 1: personally used you seem so even killed thank you so much, um,
Speaker 1: and I I got like so heated with this girl
Speaker 1: who was like absolutely an actress, and I was like star. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you were playing and there you were saying is
Speaker 1: she primarily a star or primarily an actress? You were
Speaker 1: not arguing that she is both exactly, So you were
Speaker 1: I mean I would have to agree with you. She
Speaker 1: is primarily correct, yes, and she was citing she said
Speaker 1: Selena alone makes her an actress. Okay, I would say
Speaker 1: that she gave I think, okay, let's actually talk about this.
Speaker 1: She's giving great performances and also being a quote unquote
Speaker 1: good actress. I would argue, like, when you watch Selena.
Speaker 1: I watched that movie, and I say, that's a very
Speaker 1: good actor. Yes, but there is something too. I think
Speaker 1: the fact that all her great performances, and there were several,
Speaker 1: all came that late nineties area and then they seem
Speaker 1: to really stop happening completely for the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: So but there's like definitely merits to her romantic comedy work.
Speaker 1: I think, like I think she is affecting and scenes
Speaker 1: in Monster and Law, and scenes in the Wedding Planner
Speaker 1: and scenes here and there, And I would argue that
Speaker 1: she elevates material that maybe wouldn't even happen, like maybe
Speaker 1: second act doesn't even happen unless she's in it, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't even like get seen at all if she's
Speaker 1: not committing to it in some way. And I think
Speaker 1: you can be an actress well being in romantic comedies
Speaker 1: like I would argine, Kate Hudson is an actress. I
Speaker 1: think Kate Hudson is great, Right, Okay, you don't agree.
Speaker 1: I think Kate Hudson is great. This actually is a
Speaker 1: tough one for me Kates, because it's like she's definitely
Speaker 1: given great performances, but is there a lot of versatility
Speaker 1: and the kind of things that she can do, Like
Speaker 1: I would say, like in Almost Famous, she comes out
Speaker 1: there and you're like, oh, I'm in love with her,
Speaker 1: and then since and it's kind of been like she
Speaker 1: is real good at doing like the skeleton key, kind
Speaker 1: of like Culture number twenty, the skeleton key. Um, but
Speaker 1: she is to me, like very good at doing Kate
Speaker 1: Hudson's shipping star then actress. I would have a problem
Speaker 1: with anyone saying that, Wow, okay, I can't tell I
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I did just laugh because I thought I remembered.
Speaker 1: And someone brought this up on another episode. But in
Speaker 1: the Boy next Door, this boy this high school that
Speaker 1: she that wants the hottest man in the world buys
Speaker 1: her a gift, and the gift is a first edition
Speaker 1: copy of Iliad. This edition thousands of years but it's
Speaker 1: the first edition. You didn't have done that. Yeah, scroll
Speaker 1: was like a mile on scrol found. It was like
Speaker 1: a Penguin edition. Yes, my first addition, Oh no, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that. Noah, I'll never forget. There was
Speaker 1: a poster for that movie like at my subway station,
Speaker 1: at my subway station that I own, And one of
Speaker 1: the taglines in the movie was like her biggest mistake
Speaker 1: and someone penciled and was making this movie. Wow, who
Speaker 1: knew that we're going to be incisive hot takes on
Speaker 1: the subway? And it was Rachel Dratch. I saw her
Speaker 1: sort of doing the last few scribbles and then you
Speaker 1: were like, Dratch, got you draft? Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: is so funny. Although okay, so I will say watching
Speaker 1: um Selena, I was like, this is a great performance
Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised gives a great performance in this
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Speaker 1: real to be here? I've I've listened for so long
Speaker 1: and when I know something even scarier, creepier please. I
Speaker 1: saw a live performance um picked oh, and I said,
Speaker 1: when you guys sang a song about being young, We're
Speaker 1: going to die young, beautiful so hard God. Specifically, remember
Speaker 1: the two of you within the group, which is not
Speaker 1: to say that the others were unremarkable and maybe it's
Speaker 1: just like gay people, but I do like specifically remember
Speaker 1: leaving being like those two are so funny. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we know when you were there, we would have lost
Speaker 1: our mind. Oh my god, we'll never forget. I forgot
Speaker 1: who I came, but I like, I was hanging out
Speaker 1: with Doug Whiteck at the time and I came and
Speaker 1: that just really made me l L wow. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a fun time in our life and equal parts
Speaker 1: like but also like petrify, like wondering what the sketches
Speaker 1: were that were in the show. It was a good
Speaker 1: show that night, a lot of race stuff of stuff.
Speaker 1: Of course we were on on the cutting edge. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Oh my god, I can't talk about no.
Speaker 1: But you know we were talking about today was we
Speaker 1: years ago we did a sketch um where our friend's
Speaker 1: Studie Green played Joan from Madman, and I wrote the
Speaker 1: sketch which was like essentially Joane comes in and like
Speaker 1: it's like the office workers and Bone was one of
Speaker 1: the office workers and she was like, we need ice
Speaker 1: and then she left and then the whole sketches Bone
Speaker 1: just being like, I'm sorry that we need to talk
Speaker 1: about who that was like, yeah, that was that was
Speaker 1: like I wasn't having fun. Oh my god, stop it.
Speaker 1: But honestly nothing, never mind what well? I was talking
Speaker 1: about this speaker to you the other day at work
Speaker 1: with someone and it was just like we were just
Speaker 1: and this sounds so like this sounds like merrily we
Speaker 1: were all along, but it was just like, God, remember,
Speaker 1: don't you miss the days when you would like you
Speaker 1: only made stuff for yourself? Yeah, but those I don't
Speaker 1: know how you feel, but like those were also the
Speaker 1: days when you were a big stage what I mean
Speaker 1: where you are right now exactly and now and now
Speaker 1: it's like the grass is always greener, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, what did that look like for you? Like,
Speaker 1: was it just like being in Dylan, like being a
Speaker 1: counselor to someone on the spectrum and not having the
Speaker 1: training until like, um, like what was like roughing it
Speaker 1: for you? I mean I'm gross, I'm grossing, Like I
Speaker 1: got very lucky. I was in college and got cast
Speaker 1: in Spring Awakening my soft year and left school and
Speaker 1: like great, the last like ten years have been on
Speaker 1: the theater schedule. But you've worked, but you seem and
Speaker 1: this sounds so whatever but you seem remarkably like grounded
Speaker 1: and like not like truly I mean yes, Like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: Taylor's like Taylor's Taylor like gets it, like he gets
Speaker 1: it from all, like he gets everything like on a
Speaker 1: very holistic level, like what what's happening in the world,
Speaker 1: And like I'm like, oh, like that's like like like
Speaker 1: that perspective is very rare. I don't know. Thanks anyway,
Speaker 1: same what about you? I have to I have to
Speaker 1: ask you about Hello Dolly. Yeah, first they talk about it,
Speaker 1: please the best whatever. Bet is like everything you want
Speaker 1: her to be in more. Oh my god, so funny,
Speaker 1: like as funny as you think, she'll be ten times funnier.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'll never forget. We were staging some
Speaker 1: scene and the director asked her to like cross from
Speaker 1: stage right and stage left, and she goes, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't like to talk and turn my head at
Speaker 1: the same time, completely earnestly that blocking was changed. So
Speaker 1: like the experience of being in rehearsal with her, what
Speaker 1: is that like? Well, actually, I was so like prepared
Speaker 1: to be like inconstant like keeping my distance from her,
Speaker 1: or like feeling like I was gonna say something stupid
Speaker 1: because she is the legend. She's Bet Middler. And then
Speaker 1: we showed up to first day of rehearsal and she
Speaker 1: was wearing like a sketcher shape up, like some sort
Speaker 1: of like ath leisure ensemble. She's like the four ft tall,
Speaker 1: tiny grake. She looks like your grandmother. She's like so
Speaker 1: unassuming and was like so welcoming and kind, and she
Speaker 1: also wants to get right to work, like she was
Speaker 1: so kind and lovely, but also it's like let's let's
Speaker 1: do this, and like on ten minute breaks she was
Speaker 1: like up on stage going through things like running lines
Speaker 1: and wowow and you had Beanie and David and kol
Speaker 1: Gavin is one of my crushes. What a great fucking show.
Speaker 1: The first first live musical I ever saw. But just
Speaker 1: like dinn Are just in school, she did go right,
Speaker 1: didn't you go to Hell? I didn't. I saw I
Speaker 1: saw Bernie. Of course you saw Bernie Sanders the roll
Speaker 1: of Dolly and it was TRANSMATI yeah, it was huge.
Speaker 1: I remember just I really wanted to go see Bet
Speaker 1: but it was impossible to get yeah, like harder than
Speaker 1: Hamilton's Yeah, oh yeah, you hear that? That manuel um
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, oh my god, you hear that
Speaker 1: we're not going to I just I fucking love that
Speaker 1: love that show so much. And I was just saying, like,
Speaker 1: that is like the first piece of musical theater that
Speaker 1: I saw live. Were you in it with Bernadette? Why
Speaker 1: I left, David beat Beanie and I left the same day?
Speaker 1: What you all left arm in arm? And you said
Speaker 1: if you go, I go. Baby. That's right. How long
Speaker 1: does it take to stage and rehearse that musical? I'm
Speaker 1: always curious about, like how long the rehearsal pars for
Speaker 1: like a Broadway Generally it's like four ish weeks of rehearsal,
Speaker 1: with one week being like you're on stage in the
Speaker 1: theater with the technical elements and costumes, and then you
Speaker 1: have like a month of previews where you're still rehearsing
Speaker 1: during the day and changing the show. Hello Dolly we started.
Speaker 1: We did like a week or or too long week workshop,
Speaker 1: which is like a Hello Dolly like we it was
Speaker 1: so peculiar to do like a workshop of like a
Speaker 1: smash at musical. Yeah, but like the principal casted a
Speaker 1: two week workshop in Harlem where we just sort of
Speaker 1: like met each other and got comfortable, I guess. So
Speaker 1: we did that and then we came back for rehearsals
Speaker 1: and probably rehearsed for like six or seven weeks. It
Speaker 1: was a long process, but it was massive. There was
Speaker 1: like a gigantic train, I mean something people. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: nothing bigger than a training wales. There is nothing that whales.
Speaker 1: It's perspective. Whales like to always try to use this.
Speaker 1: The water can kind of destroy. See, they're very small.
Speaker 1: Often times when you look down into the water, things
Speaker 1: look different size than ever. That's that's what that's called.
Speaker 1: And some of these blue whales out there are such
Speaker 1: bitches and they think they're big. They haven't even seen trains.
Speaker 1: They need to come see Dolly, Dolly. Um okay, so
Speaker 1: this is a thing. So a lot of people that
Speaker 1: do musical theater that I know, like you were saying,
Speaker 1: like um, back when you were doing those shows, like
Speaker 1: you would rotate out shows and like you do like
Speaker 1: a workshop of Dolly and etcetera. Are you one of
Speaker 1: those people that's just like you just know all these shows.
Speaker 1: So when you get cast in something, you're familiar with
Speaker 1: it from knowing it because you love musical theater. Like
Speaker 1: is it. Did you find that makes it easier? Yes?
Speaker 1: Most mostly, Um, and I've been in so many things
Speaker 1: where it existed beforehand. Um, so yes, certainly, Hello Dolly
Speaker 1: was weirdly the one show I didn't know at all.
Speaker 1: I'd seen Wally and so I knew like some they
Speaker 1: were like put on your Sunday clothes and movie Wally.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, So I thought that was like my only
Speaker 1: that was my one entry point. But yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like a big theater in high school,
Speaker 1: went to performing arts schools from age of like seven. Um,
Speaker 1: there is such a good fucking generation of like like
Speaker 1: people like people like I said, I just said to you,
Speaker 1: I ran into I didn't know you lived in not
Speaker 1: to say where you live, but you live in the
Speaker 1: same neighborhood as me. And I didn't know this. I
Speaker 1: ran ran into Adam Chandler Barratt on the street, and
Speaker 1: like I said to him, I was like, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Taylor's coming on the show, and he was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he lives right over there. I was like
Speaker 1: what And I didn't realize that, but like I was
Speaker 1: looking in his face and I was like, you have
Speaker 1: made me cry. So hard. I told him that I
Speaker 1: was like, I won the lottery years ago to go
Speaker 1: see Next to Normal and came out and he berated you.
Speaker 1: And this is before the show even He just walked
Speaker 1: straight out to you and wagged his little finger in
Speaker 1: your face. Yeah, and he wiped his little finger in
Speaker 1: my face and he hit me. And it's important that
Speaker 1: everyone knows that Adam Chandler Brod hit me. Just kidding.
Speaker 1: The only thing he hit me with was his massive talent.
Speaker 1: So um. But he I was like looking like there
Speaker 1: was a moment where I won the lottery the next
Speaker 1: tram years ago, and me and my friend Kenzie were
Speaker 1: sitting and thank you. If I've ever heard of like
Speaker 1: a gay man's best friend, Yeah, honestly, it was very that.
Speaker 1: And so we were sitting in right called the Lincoln Sea.
Speaker 1: It's come for me, but we were problematic, problematic September two. Um,
Speaker 1: so basically like we're sitting there and we the perfect
Speaker 1: for you, like the Hey number three. I've never experienced
Speaker 1: crying like like that through so anyway, into the end
Speaker 1: of the show, Fucking Alice Ripley is a monster for
Speaker 1: what she did to me. Adam is a monster. For
Speaker 1: what he did to me. Jennifer Damiana I saw I
Speaker 1: still like the original cast, but not eront Fate. They
Speaker 1: were psycho and then I was like looking at them
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's crazy you're here. And then the
Speaker 1: other night I saw now the other night, like I
Speaker 1: about a month ago, were even to go see Waitress
Speaker 1: and Noah Galvin was in it, and my god, truly,
Speaker 1: when you're like doing something, can you go see other things? Like?
Speaker 1: Are there nights when you can go check stuff out? No,
Speaker 1: which is the hardest. There are I've actually seen such
Speaker 1: a little theater I feel like since living here. Wow,
Speaker 1: because like when you're all in the same schedule together,
Speaker 1: god bum that sucks. Especially for someone who works. Sucks
Speaker 1: and you work a lot, so it's like you can't
Speaker 1: And actually it encourages a tribalism. And that is what
Speaker 1: it led us to the election, and to begin with
Speaker 1: the tribalism in this country. It was specifically the tribalism.
Speaker 1: They became so tribal. And now you know, when there's
Speaker 1: a blackout, you got to compete for who has the
Speaker 1: funnest street show? Yeah, stupid. It's always mean, girl, It's
Speaker 1: always the mean girls cast. Oh my god. I mean
Speaker 1: there's something about I think I'm gonna I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: out there and say this just because I did. I
Speaker 1: did a thing recently where it was just like a
Speaker 1: table read type of thing where it was all Broadway
Speaker 1: people for for like one of my best friends of
Speaker 1: all time, and I gotta say, I'll put it out there.
Speaker 1: Baby got a little got a got got a huge
Speaker 1: talent crush right back at you. From his end, I'm
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm just like Jared, Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was just all these like crazy crazy people, like
Speaker 1: crazy amazing people, and all of us were just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like it would just be being like
Speaker 1: because I was on the opposite end of all these people,
Speaker 1: of the actors, the readers basically and like saying the
Speaker 1: fold nut, saying all the numbers, and to be hit
Speaker 1: with like a wall of like beautiful music like that.
Speaker 1: I've never experienced anything like it. We all got emotional. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something so like inherently emotional about music just listening,
Speaker 1: but for people who do it so well, I mean,
Speaker 1: and oh my god, this is what I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: Like I was gonna like make a big old bow
Speaker 1: claim and say like Broadway people like the most talented,
Speaker 1: well rounded people. I think in any like show bizfield.
Speaker 1: I mean when you see someone fucking crush and like
Speaker 1: a musical or like anything like that, Like that's when
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, I mean, I'm in awe of you guys,
Speaker 1: like you guys have to have skills. That is just
Speaker 1: like That's why I'm like, it's just it's gaggy Taylor. Okay,
Speaker 1: well let's ask the question. Yeah, we have to ask
Speaker 1: the question. And also I'm hoping that well before we
Speaker 1: answer that, before we ask the question, you being from
Speaker 1: Tampa is important as a Tampa queen. Well, not even
Speaker 1: the proximity Tampa, because that was where my grandparents lived
Speaker 1: and my sister lives in St. Pete now, so I
Speaker 1: go to Tampa maybe twice a year, even Hannah honestly,
Speaker 1: like if I'm not up in the clear water, of
Speaker 1: course getting my culture, but no Tampa. I saw that
Speaker 1: you were from Tampa, and I was like, yes, Queen,
Speaker 1: You're the only person who's ever responded that way, people like,
Speaker 1: oh I thought you were from Maine or something. You
Speaker 1: got the very main um. But anyway, we do have
Speaker 1: to ask the question, which is, um, you know, what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say culture was for you?
Speaker 1: Taylor Trench. So I thought about this for a long time,
Speaker 1: and initially I constructed this like gorgeous tapestry, like a triptic,
Speaker 1: almost like trifles sort of, and it was it was
Speaker 1: Sailor Moon Watching Sailor Moon before School, the Brady Bunch
Speaker 1: movie Yes, starring Christine Taylor, and the movie musical version
Speaker 1: of Oliver, specifically the scene where Nancy, like the tough
Speaker 1: broad gets murdered on a bridge. So I was like forget,
Speaker 1: I know. So I was all set to like take
Speaker 1: you through that and like sort of like the theme
Speaker 1: between that as that it's all like blond women, which
Speaker 1: is deeply troubling, and like I need to investigate that.
Speaker 1: But then late last night I suddenly remember this is
Speaker 1: specific to Tampa. A little group called Entertainment Review. What
Speaker 1: was this? Okay, I have a video clip, I have
Speaker 1: picks like to share with you so you can kind
Speaker 1: of get on board. But Entertainment Review is a group
Speaker 1: of it's been going for thirty years, as long as
Speaker 1: I have been on this earth. It's this group of
Speaker 1: like I want to say thirty young girls wearing so
Speaker 1: much makeup, and they have nine medley's. How young are
Speaker 1: the girls? We're talking probably from five perfect the average
Speaker 1: is like five to thirteen, but then there's always like
Speaker 1: one seventeen or eighteen year old. You're like, babe, because
Speaker 1: for us, young girls could be like in the ties. Know,
Speaker 1: this is like genuine, like six young girls, um um.
Speaker 1: And which is not to say that Transplanter not genuine.
Speaker 1: They are every bit um. But so it's like these
Speaker 1: it's these young girls wearing so much makeup and they
Speaker 1: do these medley's. We're talking. They've got like your country medley.
Speaker 1: They've got a big band medley, They've got like a
Speaker 1: Hollywood medley. They have both a patriotism medley and a
Speaker 1: Salute to America medley. And the main difference between those
Speaker 1: is that in one it's like a very formal stars
Speaker 1: and stripes sort of outfit, and then the Salute to
Speaker 1: America it's more of like a flared, light washed teen
Speaker 1: in a red tank too. And I think one is
Speaker 1: like to be performed like one was performed in front
Speaker 1: of George Bush and the other was performed in front
Speaker 1: of Bill Clinton. Sure, um, I don't think I have
Speaker 1: to say which I don't. I don't don't think I
Speaker 1: have to say which tank top? Remember who that was for? Um?
Speaker 1: But I'm going to show you a clip of UM
Speaker 1: probably rock and roll, the best of the fifties, sixties
Speaker 1: and seventies. But out of this group came Willa Ford
Speaker 1: famously said that nine A Levin is the reason she's
Speaker 1: not a bigger star. The other day, Yes, Um, out
Speaker 1: of this came a girl group called p y T
Speaker 1: who you probably aren't familiar with by name, but they
Speaker 1: do sing a song Anywhere USA, which is on the
Speaker 1: Miscongeniality soundtrack. Anyway, Yeah the Swim, Yes, yes, of course.
Speaker 1: And they're also remember they're also featured in Mandy Moore's
Speaker 1: UM Missing You Like Candy video. I think they're like
Speaker 1: her friends world. They start like pumping out these pop
Speaker 1: stars and so initially started just like something for the community,
Speaker 1: and then it was like this woman named Cynthia who
Speaker 1: created it. Cynthia who did adopt a baby names Awe
Speaker 1: from China. She became like a factory to just sort
Speaker 1: of like push these young girls into like our c
Speaker 1: A records office and be like sign her. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up a bit and we can obviously
Speaker 1: edit this out no, um no, just we'll just make
Speaker 1: sure that we can hold up to the night. Or
Speaker 1: we can just send we can just send you the note,
Speaker 1: the video or really the audio. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we do that, okay, yes, yeah, I talk amongst
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Okay, so Taylor has pulled this up. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch. And now what's it called again? This
Speaker 1: is called um in quotations rock and roll, and then
Speaker 1: underneath that the best of the fifties, sixties and seventies.
Speaker 1: And I actually don't think you need that apostrophe between
Speaker 1: the number and the it's not convey. So here we
Speaker 1: got ready interview. Its okay, high kicks to the Beatles.
Speaker 1: And this is of course by the poodle skirts. You'll
Speaker 1: notice that whenever they're like mid drifts are exposed, there's
Speaker 1: like a flesh colored ye see and shout out to
Speaker 1: the costume designer. There are hundreds of costume changes per medles. Here.
Speaker 1: We have white girls in acro waves. That's what we
Speaker 1: have here, kid, the tempo, very fun term. Oh that
Speaker 1: arrow is going through her head? Is that your best friend? Now?
Speaker 1: I wish Oh my god. So these are two girls
Speaker 1: from p I T. Open that mouth. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: they're very good. Totally. There's always a moment where someone
Speaker 1: comes like in a gown and sings a valid and
Speaker 1: here's one this sister wife, like, what's the hair silhouette? Here?
Speaker 1: What will we even call this wife? That's your friend
Speaker 1: lighting to hell? Now? Wow, that girl is the star
Speaker 1: that was the lead singer p I T. Wow, I
Speaker 1: stand any white girl with little to no soul going, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's my favorite thing. Me too, that's my best friend. No,
Speaker 1: I love it. No, she's a star vias and she's
Speaker 1: queering the space like Atlantic learning artists. Something about the
Speaker 1: way it was filmed makes it look like they all
Speaker 1: died in a tragic accident. Wow, come on the roll.
Speaker 1: I can honestly I connect with that because it's like
Speaker 1: when you're a kid and you see other kids up
Speaker 1: there doing it, it does make you feel like and
Speaker 1: then you have the performers instincts, especially just like a
Speaker 1: group of girls like changing looks every five seconds. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what did that do for you watching it? Were
Speaker 1: you just like I'm just enjoying this on a pure
Speaker 1: level where you're like I want to do that. I
Speaker 1: think a combo of both, and I think there's maybe
Speaker 1: even a part of me as like as little as
Speaker 1: I was when I was watching this that understood like
Speaker 1: how funny it was. Yeah, I mean you see the
Speaker 1: you have to see right, Like it's so campy. But
Speaker 1: it was just such a thrill and it was so
Speaker 1: many girls that I was like going to school with.
Speaker 1: There was a girl named Kalina Nkamoto who famously then
Speaker 1: did become a member of the Charade Brigade on the
Speaker 1: hit Nickelodeon show UM hosted by Summer Sanders. Oh you mean,
Speaker 1: uh sure a slime? No, God, figure it out, Kalina Nkamoto,
Speaker 1: we did have the same birthday, UM figuring out, seeing
Speaker 1: my seeing my friends like be stars and every Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were just bringing so much makeup and I was
Speaker 1: loving every second. Are you performing? At the time, I
Speaker 1: was like in school, But were you looking at the
Speaker 1: girls and like with like a with like a shifty eye,
Speaker 1: being like they get to do something and I can't. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's a weird question saying I'm sure. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I want to be up there
Speaker 1: so bad. I want to be like the Lone Boy Center.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um. And I also was like I never
Speaker 1: I have thought of myself and I am not a
Speaker 1: very good singer, like an am an actor and like
Speaker 1: sort of like a like the funny guy on stage
Speaker 1: like Waka waka. I don't know, but I promise I'm
Speaker 1: not really Like there are just so many incredible as
Speaker 1: you were saying, like at your where you were where
Speaker 1: there were so many Broadway voices singing at you. There
Speaker 1: are people who are phenomenal and I'm not one of those,
Speaker 1: but you've like let it Broadway show and like it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and and Taylor's a star and an actor
Speaker 1: and a singer. Oh and this is this is a game.
Speaker 1: You add a third category with Broadway. Wow. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the talking thing is like when you watch like,
Speaker 1: for example, like Audres's performance of one ten in the
Speaker 1: Shade Fancy Raunchy sorry um on the Tony Awards, and
Speaker 1: she does like an aerial flip, It's like you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to do what Audre does in an acting
Speaker 1: and singing from an acting and singing and also be
Speaker 1: able to do an aerial flip. And then you see
Speaker 1: I mean I'll never forget when I saw Sutton in
Speaker 1: the Drowsy Chaperone. That was I watched that Tony performance
Speaker 1: all of the time. It's shocking how talented she is,
Speaker 1: and I honestly I did feel that way again when
Speaker 1: I saw Noah and Waitress. He I'm not even kidding you.
Speaker 1: I contacted any materroids and I was like, you are
Speaker 1: God the next level. Yeah, but there's that happens all
Speaker 1: the time, like almost everyone is capable of that, like
Speaker 1: if you like, not almost everyone, but like you see
Speaker 1: these people and they're just so good, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: musical theater acting to me is like I love you guys.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's athletic, it's it's everything. Okay. So I mean,
Speaker 1: so this is the culture that made you say I
Speaker 1: okay for me, and I like, I wish so badly
Speaker 1: I could be doing that, Like I wish I had
Speaker 1: the ability to like slay the house down like these
Speaker 1: young ladies are doing. And I just loved it. I
Speaker 1: Like I've always loved a quick change, like from day one,
Speaker 1: and it just who were you in Spring Awakening? More?
Speaker 1: It's more More, More is a good part. Tony Award
Speaker 1: winning Miss Ms Gallagher Junior even Miss Gallagher Jr. To
Speaker 1: be confused with Gallagher Senior, not to be confused with
Speaker 1: Miss Senior, but of course, but of forks um. Did
Speaker 1: you see the original Spring Awake? I did so many
Speaker 1: times cried in my childhood home when it won the
Speaker 1: Tony Award really like I was like, we did little
Speaker 1: little did you know you would later thereafter? That must
Speaker 1: have been like a crazy fucking moment when you get
Speaker 1: cast in that. Yeah, one of the like best experiences
Speaker 1: to still to this day. Are there shows now that
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, I wanna like I want to check
Speaker 1: that box in terms of rules or is it or
Speaker 1: it is Broadway in a place now where you're just like,
Speaker 1: well the new like new ship, like the new ships
Speaker 1: coming up and like, I don't know what the thing is.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know how you feel about where where
Speaker 1: Broadway is. I would love to tell you, No, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've in terms of the like what like
Speaker 1: what boxes I want to check? I feel like because
Speaker 1: I've been doing it, I've been like lucky enough to
Speaker 1: do it for so long. I do sort of what
Speaker 1: I would love to like try not being on stage,
Speaker 1: film and television. Also, every time I go in for
Speaker 1: an audition, they're like, get your rat face out of here,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, absolute best of luck with your project
Speaker 1: and thank you for the feedback. Um I would. That's
Speaker 1: like something that's interesting to me. The future of Broadway,
Speaker 1: I mean right now and for a long time. I
Speaker 1: feel like we've been in this era of like pop music,
Speaker 1: like and even like pop musicians writing music for Broadway,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's about to end. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I feel like we're nearing that, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what the next frontier is. Well, it's interesting, like the
Speaker 1: best past couple of years there have been that there's
Speaker 1: like one or two shows that are fully not that
Speaker 1: that like get like so much critical notice, and then
Speaker 1: they do better as a result of that, such as
Speaker 1: Hades Town and like bands visit and things like that.
Speaker 1: Is a pop album, Oh my god, I guess you're right,
Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel like it's something about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the way it's present. I literally know nothing
Speaker 1: about Hadestown. I haven't seen it. Yeah, all I know
Speaker 1: is that it's good, right, and then I shouldn't not
Speaker 1: heard a single song that makes us bad bad our
Speaker 1: media diet is bad and I don't know, like literally,
Speaker 1: like it's like it's with the pop music song running
Speaker 1: of it all. It's like but when you go see waitress,
Speaker 1: like who's mad? She is so talented, the wickedly talented,
Speaker 1: the wicked talented one and on um. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: mean I love going to the theater. We love going
Speaker 1: to the theater. What were your did you do theater
Speaker 1: in high school? So yeah? Oh so yeah, so Matt
Speaker 1: had a very high school musical Za. No, maybe I
Speaker 1: was just posited and like couldn't do any of it
Speaker 1: because I was I was closetive at the time. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything because I was too scared, but I
Speaker 1: always wanted to And then I felt like I got
Speaker 1: involved in it a little late to the point where
Speaker 1: like I did audition for a couple of musical theater roles,
Speaker 1: like like walking into Telsey, Like auditioning for that ship
Speaker 1: is like a true car because it's like what you said,
Speaker 1: like when you go in there, you sing and like
Speaker 1: you you think you're you think you're a good or
Speaker 1: fine singer, and then you hear some of these people
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, the way you produce sounds just different.
Speaker 1: Although you both are very good singers, I swear like
Speaker 1: you're very good. Lately we've heard ourselves back, just like
Speaker 1: you know, a nice person on Instagram will record us
Speaker 1: singing like let that we do in the wrong key
Speaker 1: and it just sounds awful. So we often think, like
Speaker 1: we know, let, maybe you're a star. We can just
Speaker 1: do it without it. So then we go up there
Speaker 1: and it's like finding the note in the beginning, because
Speaker 1: like the way that it starts, and I'm Catherine out
Speaker 1: of the two of us, so I like said it,
Speaker 1: and I'll hear myself sing it back and it will
Speaker 1: be so humiliating because I know, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: like the best ever, but I know I'm not that bad,
Speaker 1: but it sounds so freaking bad. And then this was
Speaker 1: the gag. We tweeted that we have recently sang it
Speaker 1: and it was horrific because we often do that to
Speaker 1: get ahead of it. And Mark Shaman himself tweeted and
Speaker 1: so I would like to hear this, and I said,
Speaker 1: and I would like to see that, would like to
Speaker 1: see He's literally saying, like I've sung demos worse than
Speaker 1: I guess I'm most shocked to hear that you're the
Speaker 1: Katherine McPhee. I'm the Catherine you think he's you think
Speaker 1: I think healthy, and you're the Katherine McFee. Interesting. That's interesting, well,
Speaker 1: because wouldn't you say that Katherine McPhee is a cat
Speaker 1: and Megan Hilty is a dog? Or no, how interesting
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I say Megan Hilty is
Speaker 1: the cat, but maybe I guess in some ways. No,
Speaker 1: Actually I did not want snatches, not did I. I
Speaker 1: think that the reason why Bowen is the Megan Hilthy
Speaker 1: is because he comes in with a brassiness, sure, and
Speaker 1: a whiteness and very wide but I feel like like
Speaker 1: um in the like oh in this girl's rapahout. But
Speaker 1: but you that's you, Like you come in with like
Speaker 1: the like I'm gonna poet my bootstraps and get this part,
Speaker 1: and I'm more tucking your hair behind your Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sort of like I don't know, I guess I could
Speaker 1: couet yeah, but the first I mean, I'm just literally
Speaker 1: just copying Megan when I sing it. But it's like
Speaker 1: the for that first line that she sings, like really
Speaker 1: hits your ear in this way that's like whoa, Like
Speaker 1: she's like flashback girl, Like, whoa. I just out of
Speaker 1: the corner of my eye, I saw what happened to
Speaker 1: spark on the wave on the thing and it was
Speaker 1: in bad Sorry Andrew, Sorry, hp A, we peak for
Speaker 1: only you, Andrew hp A HPS producer. Smart Andrew, Yeah,
Speaker 1: very smart and um but smart most smartest, most smartest,
Speaker 1: most smartest? What what most smart smartest? I've been tempted
Speaker 1: to just put that on, but I'm just like, noll,
Speaker 1: save it for another time. I'm I dropped out of
Speaker 1: Gorgeous you got available on Hulu? Hulu? Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Since July four? Baby? Oh yeah, so good. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean also just like talk about like great fucking little
Speaker 1: character performance, like drenched in them. Yes, there's there's gotta
Speaker 1: be There's gotta be a gay movie soon. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying this because I had the thought the other day,
Speaker 1: just like there has to be like some movie with
Speaker 1: a bunch of gays being being gay to each other.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying. Isn't hustlers in a
Speaker 1: way sort of fulfilling that? Yes, But it's just like
Speaker 1: it's like it's like that it's drag. It's it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's an awsome tone where it's like we're not
Speaker 1: fully there, we're about to touch it. We're like I
Speaker 1: think it'll happen soon, but it is. It is kind
Speaker 1: of like if you ever see like a lot of
Speaker 1: gays in one place, and like even even on stage,
Speaker 1: like it's like sad and dark. It's like early I
Speaker 1: feel like we still feel like um, but it's in
Speaker 1: terms of in terms of the content, not in terms
Speaker 1: of like whatever it is like. And I think, I
Speaker 1: hopefully think it will change. But I think it's funny
Speaker 1: that like you know, like the Boys in the Band
Speaker 1: was on was on Broadway, and it's like I love that,
Speaker 1: Like that was on Broadway and they did it. But
Speaker 1: it's like inherently that that piece of work is like
Speaker 1: not necessar serially like a celebration. It's it's mean and um,
Speaker 1: not indicative of the community that I'm in, like a
Speaker 1: product of the time that it was exactly exactly and
Speaker 1: so you know, it's just interesting. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's just something that's like easy for a producer to
Speaker 1: say yes today, easy to give money to because you
Speaker 1: get that group of boys or men um and then
Speaker 1: you put it together and you're like, what's something that
Speaker 1: they can do that we can get a quick yes to.
Speaker 1: And it's like the boys in the band because it exists, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like the known quantity, and so
Speaker 1: they do it. Yeah, I'm waiting for like someone to
Speaker 1: write that thing that like really speaks for and why
Speaker 1: are we waiting? Yeah, there's there. I just I can't
Speaker 1: wait for the day where there's like something that's not
Speaker 1: super heavy and like weighed down by like the trauma
Speaker 1: of being queer and that's the fat hair and everything
Speaker 1: no matter what. But also like it's not super like
Speaker 1: fluffy either, not that there's anything wrong with that, but
Speaker 1: there's like I can't wait for them to be like
Speaker 1: a filled out spectrum of all this. I am so
Speaker 1: certain that both of you will contribute things like that
Speaker 1: to the canon, like things that are like enormous successes
Speaker 1: and so important to people. Yeah, we'll do that in perpetuity. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Well it's actually on my schedule for next I have
Speaker 1: I have tusday. Did Thursday blocked out to write um
Speaker 1: seminole uh representative of art um No? But I do
Speaker 1: feel like um but I'm just I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: think it is changing in a big way and purely
Speaker 1: on on the basis of how gay men. I know
Speaker 1: we just taught We opened this episode saying, like, well, game,
Speaker 1: we turned into our own bullies. But it's like, but
Speaker 1: also like, how lucky are we to like not being
Speaker 1: in a place anymore where it's like the only people
Speaker 1: gay men will watch on the stage of a drag
Speaker 1: queen or a portance. You know, it's like we are
Speaker 1: drifting away from that. Have you read less? I did,
Speaker 1: and I controversially found it absolutely tedious. Wow, Okay, but
Speaker 1: you guys share something. Okay, I'm just gonna tell the
Speaker 1: listeners right now. I do finally read it. Okay, we've
Speaker 1: been talking about like, um, like you've been sing it
Speaker 1: to me for such a long time, and so um.
Speaker 1: I did read it, and I did like it very much.
Speaker 1: The ending to me, I guess like spoiler alert for
Speaker 1: last or like we are going to happy ending. It's
Speaker 1: a happy ending, and that to me, I was like
Speaker 1: the romantic in me, like I absolutely cried and was
Speaker 1: affected by it. I was like, oh, it's amazing, like
Speaker 1: there's love in the world. But then part of me
Speaker 1: was kind of like is this reality? Like is this like?
Speaker 1: Or is this like? Or is this earned? Or is
Speaker 1: this Yeah? I mean the reveal again spoiler he's gay,
Speaker 1: he's gay, and that is his last name? Um no,
Speaker 1: But like the reveal that it was his his lover
Speaker 1: that he had broken up with, that was narrating it
Speaker 1: the whole time. I was like, I don't know about this,
Speaker 1: like it just it just felt easy for me and
Speaker 1: like a little bit hashtag reveal in a way that
Speaker 1: I don't think it was as clever as I mean.
Speaker 1: I think like when Chanela came out in the Bubble,
Speaker 1: that to me was more clever than all of last
Speaker 1: a reveal when she came out in the Bump bitch Bowen,
Speaker 1: you're white, You're white. I think I have to also
Speaker 1: own that, like I am one of those white people
Speaker 1: who's like for me, like, Japanese culture is very fascinating,
Speaker 1: and so I think I was actually so hurt by
Speaker 1: the fact that I was promised a chapter set in
Speaker 1: Japan and get room it was in Japan, and that
Speaker 1: you had the whole tea ceremony and you were in it.
Speaker 1: It was how many pages dedicated to other travels and
Speaker 1: I got a sliver a slice of life. I will say,
Speaker 1: every single time a new chapter open and it was
Speaker 1: a new place, I was like, I'm bombed. I want
Speaker 1: to be in the last place. And then and then
Speaker 1: I was happy to be where I was. Then that's
Speaker 1: effective fucking storytelling. Back, I didn't say that, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying I'm if be on
Speaker 1: the ending. I liked the book. I didn't find a
Speaker 1: tedious like our damn guest okay wait talked about talk
Speaker 1: about honey Okay unt, I like just I never found
Speaker 1: it compelling. I wasn't interested in following him as a character. Mmm,
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know, I feel bad like the character. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But my thing was like, my it's weird because my
Speaker 1: favorite parts of the whole book were the flashbacks to
Speaker 1: their life, and I was like, oh man, And then
Speaker 1: it was weird because even though spoiler they end up
Speaker 1: together at the end, I was kind of just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this feels right, like to me,
Speaker 1: people don't just come back to me the compelling thing.
Speaker 1: Okay and Sudi reminded me of this the other day
Speaker 1: when we were talking about it was that it's it's
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to track it from Arthur Less as
Speaker 1: a character, like being the young person and the couple
Speaker 1: just dating this older man, the mirroring, the mirroring of it,
Speaker 1: where then he is he comes into middle age being like,
Speaker 1: what the fund is happening? I have a younger lover,
Speaker 1: he's leaving me. He's mirroring someone else like that, I think,
Speaker 1: and assuming it has to be that way and like
Speaker 1: kind of causing the delise of your own relationship despite
Speaker 1: that not being what you want because it's it's been
Speaker 1: your experience. And the way that Andrew Sean Greer writes
Speaker 1: it like executes the mirroring is I think, very cool.
Speaker 1: But I I get what you But I think part
Speaker 1: of him as a character is that he's like kind
Speaker 1: of a cipher that he's just like well at least
Speaker 1: like in everyman that we or just like in terms
Speaker 1: of like his like where he's at in life in
Speaker 1: terms of being a middle aged gay and not knowing
Speaker 1: how to like like not knowing what the rules book
Speaker 1: is like he's just like he's floating. He's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm supposed to do. I guess I'll
Speaker 1: travel around the world and not think about my ex
Speaker 1: getting married. I don't know, but I I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying. It's it's like at some point it gets
Speaker 1: a little maybe a little tedious with like the jokes,
Speaker 1: perhaps see the humor in it. I enjoyed the humor
Speaker 1: in it. I think sometimes things it's so like richly
Speaker 1: written that it sometimes it's just like, okay, let's get
Speaker 1: to the next There were like no events, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I also I hear what you're saying about the framework,
Speaker 1: but I like, I feel like instantly I knew what
Speaker 1: the book was and there were no surprises. Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am sucking obsessed. We've talked about
Speaker 1: two different books, believe we. I there's there's got to
Speaker 1: be some book club thing, like like some like Oprah's
Speaker 1: book Club for the Masses, for the queers. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's the next book I'm reading. Trick or Talent?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want to read that. And also the
Speaker 1: book that you keep telling me to read normal people,
Speaker 1: normal people. It's hetero. But I liked it a lot.
Speaker 1: I've seen it on many a like book table, many
Speaker 1: a book table, it's fine for me if things are hetero.
Speaker 1: I can actually read a hetero piece. There you go.
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's like it's like heterop exactly
Speaker 1: how a piece like Succession is a heteropiece. And I
Speaker 1: haven't watched that. I just started. I think it's fun.
Speaker 1: Everyone says it's so fucking good. There's there's fun stuff happening,
Speaker 1: and it's happening to me again, which is are you
Speaker 1: like this where it's like when everyone tells you something
Speaker 1: is so good, like, well, I'll get immediately contrarian. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are so many things I'm breaking bad. I've never watched.
Speaker 1: I know it's incredible, but I'm like the same for
Speaker 1: some reason. I'm just like, I know that what's her
Speaker 1: face chokes on her and vomit and dies and it's
Speaker 1: so I mean. Joe to be an Apartment Being an
Speaker 1: Apartment three actually was whose co star was in Entertainment
Speaker 1: Review dream a Walker Dreamer, I believe, was who also
Speaker 1: did play Miss Hanna again to my start to be
Speaker 1: singing solo in an Annie. Oh I'm sorry, Dream There's
Speaker 1: someone Walker Tampa's own dream of Walker I refused to
Speaker 1: lie and dream I refused to believe that I didn't
Speaker 1: come up with dream of Walker. You may knew her
Speaker 1: from the first Sex in the City movie. She's a
Speaker 1: waitress at the restaurant when Charlotte's water breaks. It's like
Speaker 1: she was and she was an entertainment review certain dream.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, talk about this a little bit a white
Speaker 1: person with the Japanese culture. Have you been to Japan? No?
Speaker 1: I was supposed to study abroad in Japan for a
Speaker 1: full year in college. All the theater majors, not all,
Speaker 1: but most of the theater majors go to London and
Speaker 1: they're like you, it's basically the same thing as being
Speaker 1: in college in America. And I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that, and so I made I crafted my own
Speaker 1: program in Japan. I like contacted a host family. I
Speaker 1: planned this entire year abroad in Kyoto, and then like
Speaker 1: a month before I was going to leave, I found
Speaker 1: out about Spring Awakening. I have never been How long
Speaker 1: has that been? Ten eleven years? Wow? Okay, so do
Speaker 1: you you're do? I think I think girls trip girls trip.
Speaker 1: I girls talked about Tokyo. We've been saying and Japan
Speaker 1: and jen like Kyoto. I've heard it's a great time,
Speaker 1: and then it's a great excuse to go to Disney Sasney. Um,
Speaker 1: I have to ask a question, Yes, who are you
Speaker 1: being in Dear of Enhancing? So was that like a
Speaker 1: different deal in terms of like the fans treated it
Speaker 1: like a cultural because that was a cultural moment. Especially
Speaker 1: I would imagine for like I remember being in high
Speaker 1: school and very much that that was that moment was wicked.
Speaker 1: So now it's like you were in Dear Evan Hanson
Speaker 1: when it was having its cultural moment, Like can you
Speaker 1: talk about like what it's like to perform that show
Speaker 1: for an audience that is experiencing that show as part
Speaker 1: of its culture that we asked about, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And expectations are high, and especially it was
Speaker 1: so peculiar because I was the only person. It was
Speaker 1: an it was the original company and then me and
Speaker 1: I was replacing this person who was like their performance
Speaker 1: was the stuff. Like when it was announced that he
Speaker 1: was leaving, fans were farning They're like, no matter who
Speaker 1: comes in, like we're going to and of colat Honey
Speaker 1: currently in Brazil. Yes, oh my god. Right Honestly, he
Speaker 1: said he was going to Brazil, and I was like wow, literally,
Speaker 1: come come to Brazil. I know it'll stop radio silence.
Speaker 1: And I was He was like, he was like doing
Speaker 1: press in Brazil, and I was like, well, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I never thought of that as like an a center
Speaker 1: of press for like for like a gay show. Super Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, that show looks stunning. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was Gwyneth Paltrow is exquiz talking Lucy Boynton. Yes, I
Speaker 1: never saw a Bohemian Rhapsody. Um. Oh wow, that's she
Speaker 1: is like essentially the villain. An unbelievable performance. Really, Lucy
Speaker 1: playing ess daughter Jessica Lang. His daughter is Zoe Deutsch.
Speaker 1: I just got chills up my spine remembering that Jessica
Speaker 1: lyons and is giving you like everything you've ever wanted.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah it looks great. Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what happens. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I saw the trailer and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to show. Yes, okay, we keep
Speaker 1: talking about yeah yeah, so um yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: terrifying to step into this thing that I feel like. Also,
Speaker 1: when something becomes so huge, and especially the group who
Speaker 1: like loved it first, they sort of have a sense
Speaker 1: of ownership over it. And so it was like horrifying
Speaker 1: to step into that show and to step into a
Speaker 1: part that is like all that is so much about
Speaker 1: singing and singing high and singing a lot, and I
Speaker 1: was like no, um, And so I was like living
Speaker 1: in constant fear of that. It was cool, cool, crazy,
Speaker 1: but also like because it was this like it was
Speaker 1: like the show and still is in many ways, it's
Speaker 1: like such a huge staple on Broadway. Like I like,
Speaker 1: I feel like the day that my casting was announced,
Speaker 1: like suddenly I got like forty followers on it. Um,
Speaker 1: it really is. It was this moment Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think it was. Um it was one of those things
Speaker 1: where I really I was dying to go see. I
Speaker 1: still have not seen it because it's it continues to
Speaker 1: be I mean, once word got out about the iconography
Speaker 1: that was it's it was kind of impossible to get tickets,
Speaker 1: and then it continued to be impossible. But then then
Speaker 1: that also just means that you being in the like
Speaker 1: like all I heard at least was like stellar, stellar,
Speaker 1: stellar things about Taylor. Yeah, that was just like did
Speaker 1: you do it with Rachel b Jones? Did do it?
Speaker 1: With Rachel by Jones. Uh yeah, I've joined with the
Speaker 1: original cast, and then like slowly, like month by month,
Speaker 1: a person would leave and a new face would come in.
Speaker 1: And I mean, everyone is so good at the show.
Speaker 1: I just saw the show recently with um the boy
Speaker 1: who was doing it now Jimmy Award winner Andrew bart Fell,
Speaker 1: and he's so good. Literally, Joe can Booster and I
Speaker 1: just at the Jimmy Awards were like, he's gonna be in.
Speaker 1: Devon Hanson. The producer of Devon Hanson was in the audience,
Speaker 1: like leaned over to the casting director and he's like,
Speaker 1: there is It's so funny, like like, um, he's in
Speaker 1: now and during Evan Hanson and Renee Raps, Regina George,
Speaker 1: that's crazy and that that honestly, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: did you watch the most recent Jimmy Awards. I was
Speaker 1: there in the Flesh, which Ben Platt posted. I was
Speaker 1: in the backgrow um and the girl who won um
Speaker 1: oh yes, she was just a stunning performance. So oh
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm here. Yes, it was just unbelievable. And
Speaker 1: the guy who wanted to sang um wondering from the
Speaker 1: bridges of Madison County. It was tromendous. It was it
Speaker 1: was so so so good and like just watching that
Speaker 1: whole show was so amazing. That whole program was I
Speaker 1: just bad like when I was a teen? Or is
Speaker 1: there something Has there been a shift? And like as
Speaker 1: like the Internet somehow like made kids better, Like it's
Speaker 1: just crazy kids and I'm like, what the But they're
Speaker 1: all more talented than I am. It's from the culture
Speaker 1: number forty five. I just watched these kids and I go,
Speaker 1: what the but I think it but it's truly the
Speaker 1: g Talentino thing of like your sense of skill gets
Speaker 1: so distorted and I don't know, I'm not connecting the
Speaker 1: right doughts. But these kids probably have always existed and
Speaker 1: now I and no, it's that it's that they they
Speaker 1: see so much. They can consume so much of the
Speaker 1: top tier musical theory like mimic and exactly, and they
Speaker 1: know what heard, what hurdle to reach, or what their faults.
Speaker 1: They're fake, They're they're all fake. They're all fake, and
Speaker 1: the are fake. They're forty year olds in makeup and
Speaker 1: and we're shutting the doors behind us. And it's actually
Speaker 1: really a problematique that they're even up there saying that
Speaker 1: they're six teams because they handle on the material. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're saying, Folly's honey, you haven't lived it like I have.
Speaker 1: I will say it is. It was so fucking funny
Speaker 1: to go to go there and watch to count them
Speaker 1: two girls perform as the drowsy chaperone giving you like
Speaker 1: boozy singing as you as we stumble along, like these
Speaker 1: two girls like giving each other like google eyes, like
Speaker 1: we were like seeing the world. It's so funny. And
Speaker 1: to know that their sophomores in high school, it's so gorgeous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I had to ask about what that must have
Speaker 1: been like, because that had to be like performing a
Speaker 1: rock concert. Yeah, and so scary. It's but bended this
Speaker 1: magic trick where he somehow was able to like sing
Speaker 1: flawlessly through the night, like while doing something that I mean,
Speaker 1: he's being asked to be very emotional, Like that's what
Speaker 1: this especially now, like people come expecting to watch someone
Speaker 1: cry for two and a half hours. So now it's
Speaker 1: like you come and they're like, and this is where
Speaker 1: you cry. Um, But also like you can't help but
Speaker 1: have an emotional response to some of the material. But
Speaker 1: he would be like, I mean like a wet, wet
Speaker 1: face and singing gorgeously, but when I cry, I'm the
Speaker 1: sort of crier where like I can't make sounds anymore,
Speaker 1: Like everything gets so tight. And so I was up
Speaker 1: there trying to sing these songs that are so high,
Speaker 1: just like oh and every nightmare, every night, every single night.
Speaker 1: I packed in every single song. But I'm just like
Speaker 1: the thing is though, It's like, so there's this pressure
Speaker 1: or not pressure, but direction to kind of honor what
Speaker 1: the person did. Uh. You know who I was talking
Speaker 1: with this about Guest. I was asking her about like
Speaker 1: what it is to take over for someone that does
Speaker 1: like an iconic um first uh uh you know performance
Speaker 1: of something as Adena did, and she was talking about
Speaker 1: how there were little idiosyncrasies and like you know the
Speaker 1: way that Adina does things and they want that honored.
Speaker 1: But for something like, uh, such a demanding role. It's
Speaker 1: like what did they kind of tell you, like make
Speaker 1: this your own, make it work for you, or was
Speaker 1: it like this is kind of the way Ben did
Speaker 1: it and it's iconic and we want to see it
Speaker 1: this way. They were super generous in terms of like
Speaker 1: letting me I also like didn't really get to see
Speaker 1: the show because of being on the Fater schedule. I
Speaker 1: didn't get to see it really before doing it, and
Speaker 1: so I did. They were like so kind and generous
Speaker 1: in allowing me to like create something new, and the
Speaker 1: cast was to like doing it with the cast who
Speaker 1: was used to doing with Ben. They were like so
Speaker 1: open to doing it, like doing a new show essentially.
Speaker 1: But then like coming as we like neared performances, there
Speaker 1: were things where he was like just you know, this
Speaker 1: gets a laugh or like this, like things that he's like,
Speaker 1: this is successful every time, and like take it or
Speaker 1: leave it, but that is like something that we know works. Um,
Speaker 1: So there are things like that. And also like for
Speaker 1: that show, it was so specifically crafted around Ben, like
Speaker 1: it was made to like highlight all of the things
Speaker 1: he can do. So even if you do sort of
Speaker 1: try to create your own thing, you're inevitably like a
Speaker 1: little bit doing And I just say, like, what a
Speaker 1: mind funk for someone to be like, Okay, well here's
Speaker 1: all this stuff that works for me, and do your
Speaker 1: own thing and like and you figure out what works
Speaker 1: through So that's funny. I guess it's crazy, Like we're
Speaker 1: just not crazy, but just like in terms of scale,
Speaker 1: it's just like figuring out the permutations of like Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do this this on this night, but not this
Speaker 1: and like just wow, what a crazy? Like advocates of
Speaker 1: like whoa whoa, whoa whoa. Yes, it's just when you
Speaker 1: see those like iconic roles and like you see like
Speaker 1: I saw what had to have been the nineteen replacement
Speaker 1: cast of Kid, but I did see who I believe
Speaker 1: is a is a superstar, which was Anneallye Ashford, and
Speaker 1: so it was like just interesting to see her do
Speaker 1: her and she is so great at being her and
Speaker 1: she is an iconic presence but also honoring what what
Speaker 1: Chinna with did and like that walk is so interesting
Speaker 1: to me, Like it's not just like go up there
Speaker 1: and like give that performance. It's go up there. And honestly,
Speaker 1: when it's something like Wicked, I think there might be
Speaker 1: like a sort of not pressure, but responsibility to give
Speaker 1: people what they right, because you can do your thing
Speaker 1: but within the framework of like what the director has
Speaker 1: decided the show looks, like what the shape of it is,
Speaker 1: with the tone of it is like within that you
Speaker 1: can play, but you can't like fully come in with
Speaker 1: your own energy, right, but in an accent y. I tried,
Speaker 1: imagine you can't with a limp and a Scottish I
Speaker 1: think I would casts on all four limbs. What if
Speaker 1: the cast was full body, my my dear Evan Hanson
Speaker 1: leg what's your dear Evan Hanson? That's like a campaign
Speaker 1: for what's your dear neck brace? If I ever want
Speaker 1: to cry, I do listen to the Forever, Oh my God,
Speaker 1: and the Reprieve. I think I think I've done that too.
Speaker 1: I think for Forever. There was a day where I
Speaker 1: was like, really rot and I just it just came
Speaker 1: on and I just kept playing it and it worked
Speaker 1: every time. I was like, oh wow, this is like
Speaker 1: this is a trigger great for me. That's Normandy motivation
Speaker 1: tears just about the basketball. Thinking about Joel Kim Booster
Speaker 1: is amazing directions, pioneering, and also I think I got
Speaker 1: lost in sort of the shuffle. But he also did
Speaker 1: direct choreograph the entire live Vietna of course, and you know,
Speaker 1: anyone who wants to step forward and say they are
Speaker 1: the director, it's crazy and it's a ranger. You would
Speaker 1: take that from from a queer artist. It's really crazy
Speaker 1: to be white adjacent that that would give you permission
Speaker 1: to then sort of stump all over them. Joel can
Speaker 1: Booster is the queer artist that directed Normany, and you
Speaker 1: can use that as the poll quote. Yeah, I think maybe,
Speaker 1: how do Wait? What was this? Joel texted us and
Speaker 1: he was like, they're forcing Normany to address the fact
Speaker 1: that I'm falsely claiming that I directed the motivation video
Speaker 1: because the promoting he's promoting. He's promoting this NBC show
Speaker 1: and she was also on some NBC like she's doing
Speaker 1: the voice, she's doing y she's Kelly's which when I
Speaker 1: saw them in that picture together, I was like, motivation wow,
Speaker 1: um wait, oh wait, one more thing. Okay, Sailor Moon
Speaker 1: is Sailor Wan is like your north Star interview every morning.
Speaker 1: Other other other peripheral things worth the anime or no, yeah,
Speaker 1: like Pokemon, Dragon Ball, c um, okay, great, blind Spot,
Speaker 1: don't know it. I think you'd like. And Don Chow
Speaker 1: is in like the live action remake. Oh yeah, they're
Speaker 1: making they're making. I just got like, when you think
Speaker 1: someone's hot chills and not a damn wrinkle on his face,
Speaker 1: I would break let him be motivation turning around. Okay,
Speaker 1: bit innovation. I think it's time. I think it's this
Speaker 1: will be I don't think so. You didn't I literally forgot.
Speaker 1: Well it's fine, you'll think of something attack. So this
Speaker 1: is I don't think so, honey. This is, of course
Speaker 1: hb a HP, says Andrew. Um. This is arts in
Speaker 1: one minute to rant against something in pop culture that
Speaker 1: we are feeling less than satisfactory about. And I'm actually
Speaker 1: going to call it back to the beginning of our conversation. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so you want to start, yes, since Matt Rodgers just callback,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, his time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Sean men, that's attackers the sixties. Honey,
Speaker 1: we would just think of him as a talented singer.
Speaker 1: You are are falling victim and falling prey to the
Speaker 1: social media landscape, and they're telling you to attack, attack, attack.
Speaker 1: Why can't he just be a talented, hot singer with
Speaker 1: a great body, face and head of hair. Please let
Speaker 1: him just be. I feel like if he wants to
Speaker 1: get together with Camilla Cabello and kissing the ocean, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I see bone Yang and Sunny Green do it all
Speaker 1: the time. Does it upset me? Yes, But I feel
Speaker 1: like if they're having fun in the water, let them
Speaker 1: just be two individuals who have fun in the water.
Speaker 1: If they kiss weird, it's first of all, it's not
Speaker 1: as weird as watching Bone Yang and Sunny Green kiss.
Speaker 1: And also, if that's what they want to do, that's
Speaker 1: what they want to do. Also, Shawn Mendez, we support
Speaker 1: we love. I actually am a fan of the video
Speaker 1: with Camilla and your kissing. I thought I had humor
Speaker 1: and listen, if you're out here attacking Sewn Mendez, I
Speaker 1: actually don't think so, honey. But he actually is one
Speaker 1: of the more talented ones. He's really fucking good. And
Speaker 1: it's like, you don't want this person to go cucko bananas,
Speaker 1: So why are you contributing to that? Is it gonna
Speaker 1: make you feel better? It's like, yeah, we can talk
Speaker 1: about him, be have light hard. Did I go over
Speaker 1: one minute? You're yeah, yeah, you're still going over. Oh
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. Do you think they kissing
Speaker 1: the water because of the refractive properties, like then that
Speaker 1: makes them look bigger. My thing is like, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anything like nefarious about what they're doing, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they're like scheming like
Speaker 1: let's create a fake relationship. I think we're creating that.
Speaker 1: I think it's fine if people want to be close,
Speaker 1: like and also it's like they're clearly at least friends,
Speaker 1: clearly at least friends, they get along. And also maybe
Speaker 1: it's them clearing a heterosexual relationship by whatever. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, who fucking knows what it is. But
Speaker 1: it's just it's I don't know, And maybe I'm being
Speaker 1: a little hypocritical here because we talk about celebrities all
Speaker 1: the time and we have fun talking about them. But
Speaker 1: it's like this feels like it's bordering now on a
Speaker 1: little bit of like a cruelty that we're not talking about,
Speaker 1: which is like if he is closeted, like that's sad,
Speaker 1: and if he's not, it's also sad because you're attacking him.
Speaker 1: So like overall, to me, it's like a weird It's
Speaker 1: like it's like it feels like abusive and ugly right
Speaker 1: now where it's and I get that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be factions people that are like, don't feel
Speaker 1: bad for him. He's white and gorgeous and talented and rich.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't think that's necessarily a reason
Speaker 1: to or just not a justifier for like trying to
Speaker 1: destroy someone on Twitter. Because one thing I liked that
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift said was like in her explanation of the
Speaker 1: cancel culture, it's like she boiled it down to saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, what you are actually saying, if this person
Speaker 1: should kill themselves, like cancel them, cancel them, cancel them,
Speaker 1: ruin their life. If you really wanted to walk it
Speaker 1: all the way down the line, what you're saying is
Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. And it's so easy to say that
Speaker 1: from the back behind a computer, but it's like it's rough,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I I have like a reaction
Speaker 1: to it because it's like maybe because it is about
Speaker 1: like uh inferred like closetedness, and I'm like, well, and
Speaker 1: people and it reminds me of when people really really
Speaker 1: really really crazy cruel to Caitlyn Jenner before she revealed
Speaker 1: her thing. And I remember I think Dave said, like, um,
Speaker 1: he tweeted like I don't know, you guys, like if
Speaker 1: if at the time, if Bruce Jenner is actually trans
Speaker 1: like this is really messed up, and I hope that
Speaker 1: we wouldn't make jokes about it if it actually is
Speaker 1: the case. And it's like then when when she revealed
Speaker 1: she was Caitlin, it was just like there was this
Speaker 1: ground swell, but it was like, did there need to
Speaker 1: be this like big important moment for you to accept
Speaker 1: this person? Because it feels like you did need that,
Speaker 1: and that's sad. We're not We're just not compassionate. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's this attitude also where people think by
Speaker 1: by like goating at out of him, they think they're
Speaker 1: helping him, liked be happier if you're just honest. But
Speaker 1: it's like a weird selfish thing to try to be
Speaker 1: like I know this about you, I know this thing
Speaker 1: about you, and like did you experience that ever being closeted? Um,
Speaker 1: I mean no, not that as I mean I definitely
Speaker 1: was closeted in high school. I came out in the
Speaker 1: junior year, but no, I never felt like anyone forced
Speaker 1: me to. I feel like I actually had a group
Speaker 1: of girls who were like thought they were protecting me,
Speaker 1: like they were things like there was this thing in
Speaker 1: a middle school or high school where someone was like
Speaker 1: look at your nails and if you looked at them
Speaker 1: like if you like, and I did a flex hand
Speaker 1: and they were like, But it can also mean it
Speaker 1: either means gay, or it can also just mean like
Speaker 1: cultured or it was like often had those girls like
Speaker 1: that's the way, yeah, well, hanging down the closet door.
Speaker 1: I don't see any scenario where it's helpful. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the thing of like, um, it's like perceived weakness, I think,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's just like you don't know what's
Speaker 1: actually going on, right It makes me a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And which way I did my I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey about it. Right now, I'm going to pass the
Speaker 1: torch over um the famous Bowen Well now perform because
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, live for you right now
Speaker 1: and as time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Book jacket covers on hardcover books. It always slips out
Speaker 1: of my damn hands when I'm trying to read. And
Speaker 1: then what am I supposed to do? Take it off
Speaker 1: and then let it lay limp on a surface, no
Speaker 1: hone collection. It collects dust and it sits looks sad
Speaker 1: and structurally unsound. I wanted it belongs on the book.
Speaker 1: But then I'm what I'm sitting on the subway reading
Speaker 1: a hardcover that's just yellow and people have to read
Speaker 1: this spine to find out what I'm reading. And no, sir,
Speaker 1: and I don't think so, honey, second books in general,
Speaker 1: mr books. I love reading on my damn phone and
Speaker 1: everyone saying, no, this is this is what I mean
Speaker 1: to say. People who are stigmatizing kindles are like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you reading on a candle? You only read books
Speaker 1: that you don't want people to know you're reading on
Speaker 1: a kindle. No, I'm reading on a kindle because sometimes
Speaker 1: it's just more convenient. This is what I've been doing lately.
Speaker 1: And I've been wealth shamed and by a kindle edition
Speaker 1: and and a hardcover edition of a book because I
Speaker 1: wanted just it depends on the damn mood when I
Speaker 1: want to read a page or a kindle or we're
Speaker 1: going to stop. Actually on, I've been wealth shamed. I
Speaker 1: stand with you that people have also of like, I
Speaker 1: just love like the feel the smell of a book
Speaker 1: over yourself. It's the century than up. And thank you
Speaker 1: for not wealth shaming me, of course, um yes, and
Speaker 1: those words were said on this very podcast by me
Speaker 1: um oh no, no, just just saying, um, I've been
Speaker 1: wealth shamed and I'm white. I think we were saying
Speaker 1: you had been well shamed on this podcast and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, what I'm and I have Okay, constantly,
Speaker 1: I constantly wealth shamed. But wow, and from a TV writer,
Speaker 1: from a TV right, you'd be shocked to find out
Speaker 1: the amount of dollars. But when it's dropping on an
Speaker 1: upcoming vacation, that have to if you can cut that
Speaker 1: you have on trips, I do reward yourself. I did
Speaker 1: have no time. I had no time off this summer.
Speaker 1: I'm going have to go on vacation. You have to
Speaker 1: What do you like to go? Yeah? What do you
Speaker 1: like to go? Sorry, I'm truly my heart is pounding
Speaker 1: about I don't think so, honey, Okay, where would I
Speaker 1: like to go? Japan? Obviously? Okay, this bitch wants to
Speaker 1: go to Disney World. I would go to You know,
Speaker 1: I've really since listening to the pot and I've been
Speaker 1: a long time listener. I used to have I used
Speaker 1: to hold an archaic, destructive attitude, like a thought that
Speaker 1: adults who love Disney were like sick and arranged. It
Speaker 1: is a very destructive thought. But I realized, actually, for me,
Speaker 1: it's only if the events in your wedding take place
Speaker 1: at Disney Thank you next, like it's fun to go.
Speaker 1: I've gone so many times, it's fun. I would love
Speaker 1: to go to Disney World. Just go to Europe for
Speaker 1: your honeymoon. Go somewhere else. You shouldn't go to Disney
Speaker 1: Weld for your honeymoon, but also do whatever the fun
Speaker 1: you want. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna vacation shame anyone, which is also a form of
Speaker 1: well shreaming his tailor trenches. I don't think so, honey. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I think I have it, And as time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Owls. I feel like this
Speaker 1: culture we have been led to believe that owls are
Speaker 1: the symbol of like wisdom, Like the owl in Winnie
Speaker 1: the Pooh was dumb, the owl in Harry Hotter boring
Speaker 1: and a mailman didn't have any lines in the movie.
Speaker 1: And then the owl in um the like TUTSI Pop
Speaker 1: commercial was rude as hell, boring and dumbs. What is
Speaker 1: true about owls is like they have not one, not two,
Speaker 1: but three different sets of eyelids, like turn their heads
Speaker 1: all the way around. They're bitch silent as they fly.
Speaker 1: In fact, one time in high school, I was driving
Speaker 1: home from a like either a rehearsal or or a
Speaker 1: performance of a theater of a theater production, and an
Speaker 1: owl out of nowhere because remember silent flight landed on
Speaker 1: the hood of my card. He had a face all
Speaker 1: your Nicolas case. I don't think you're honey Nicholas. A
Speaker 1: wonderful damn bird bird. I love that one. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't leave that damn bird lands on your goddamn
Speaker 1: car a little bit. What a little bit O break
Speaker 1: the funk out. If you like owls, get out, get
Speaker 1: out my apology. If you love alas so stive pillow
Speaker 1: for your velvet ass set, This is Chelsea Ryan Rodgers Raiser.
Speaker 1: My sister loves ship and she's a fan of the pod.
Speaker 1: No go work for Drake. He's got owls on his
Speaker 1: fucking stuff. Try to court Milie Bobby Round. I actually
Speaker 1: have to say I love owls. Turn their heads around
Speaker 1: like this. They have giant heads and it's not like
Speaker 1: they're like whoop over the shoulder. It's like, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: I hate them. Also they probably are so sick with disease, dirty, dirty, yes.
Speaker 1: And I'm being ornithology normative here, but I feel like
Speaker 1: a bird, but like a bird should look like a
Speaker 1: big big small eyes, owls, huge eyes, small beaks, fucked up.
Speaker 1: Fucked up is bad. No, this is a raiser. This
Speaker 1: is all raiser. This is this is small, big, big.
Speaker 1: But also it's almost as stupid. It's almost as stupid
Speaker 1: as Jill Kim Booster saying whales are too big and
Speaker 1: some dogs are too small, because famously, whales are not
Speaker 1: as big as we think. The train is the biggest
Speaker 1: thing in the world. There's nothing bigger than the trade.
Speaker 1: Jul Kim Booster Jilkim No, sir, no, sir, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to say that to his fucking face.
Speaker 1: Stupid face, stupid face. I think this is this is
Speaker 1: this is a very good episode. This is a great epic.
Speaker 1: I say something. I'm sad. I feel like I made
Speaker 1: a new friend. And honestly, you can come back anytime
Speaker 1: you want, anytime you freaking want. What do you want
Speaker 1: to say to everyone? Because now that you don't have Twitter,
Speaker 1: I guess. Oh my god, I wish I had something
Speaker 1: of note to say. Vote. Everyone should vote unless you
Speaker 1: don't believe in human rights, and then please don't and
Speaker 1: then you it stay far away from the polls. You
Speaker 1: can't play home that day. Um. I'm so thrilled to
Speaker 1: be here. I've truly been fans of yours for so
Speaker 1: long and I'm so excited. The only shows I watched
Speaker 1: regularly are the shows that you're contributing to a writer
Speaker 1: Sanda's actors. Can't you are? You are kind of personified? Also,
Speaker 1: we did try to get you on on the pod,
Speaker 1: but way back days publicist said he will not be
Speaker 1: doing that. We also weren't. We literally weren't allowed to
Speaker 1: do press during They wanted it to be like this
Speaker 1: little secret so you had you were like going in
Speaker 1: there and he will not be doing this, and if
Speaker 1: you try to reach out to him, I'll kill you.
Speaker 1: I am the publicist. I want to write a movie
Speaker 1: called the public Publists or it stars me, and I
Speaker 1: just tell everyone that I'm reading for myself. Is me
Speaker 1: as the publicist here? Asked me a question about one
Speaker 1: of my clients. Um, we want to ask Hillary about
Speaker 1: the neighbor she will not. That's the settle gay work
Speaker 1: that we've been looking for. Also, Hillary Duff, Hillary Clinton, Hillary,
Speaker 1: which are you thinking of? Swank? Even swank? No, this
Speaker 1: was this was when Matt I were interring Vulture and
Speaker 1: we were entering the younger cast and Hillary Hillary Duff's
Speaker 1: publicist ran up to us and said, do not ask
Speaker 1: her about the neighbor she's been instagram story. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't tell you how much I don't
Speaker 1: understand what we were, just like we don't given to
Speaker 1: ask her about like if she still talks to Lane,
Speaker 1: that's okay. Wait, I actually have to tell a story
Speaker 1: about when I was from the ages of twelve to fourteen,
Speaker 1: I lived in Los Angeles by myself. My parents sent
Speaker 1: me there and I lived there because I wanted to
Speaker 1: be an actor. And I went to a club called
Speaker 1: Club one seven, which was a club for young actors,
Speaker 1: and the cast of Seventh Heaven did frequent the club,
Speaker 1: and one night at Miss Beverly Mitchell herself with a
Speaker 1: blunt bang. I don't even know if I call it blunt,
Speaker 1: I call it speed um Lelane came one night and
Speaker 1: I overheard her say to a group of people I
Speaker 1: wasn't born. I just am Helle thing. Although we have
Speaker 1: to respect Lolane for the culture. That was the episode
Speaker 1: where she wasn't eating and we had to film the
Speaker 1: music video and she was two weak and oh my
Speaker 1: god and basically um. Then at the end she sings
Speaker 1: reflection by mulan Lea Salonga Christina Aguilera. Why it was
Speaker 1: very that very good. Okay, Well, before we get spin
Speaker 1: off a other podcast about Laine, we do have to end,
Speaker 1: and we do end every episode this song out there
Speaker 1: there's a world outside of Yonkers, out there, down there.
Speaker 1: That's the light down. Wow, I don't know that dollar.
Speaker 1: Oh youthing close? That's okay by This has been a
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