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Speaker 1: guess what a joke has been said this morning that

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Speaker 1: that everyone knows that Sean is gaye I said, But

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Speaker 1: that Sean straight. I honestly, I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I think I think he's I think

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Speaker 1: It feels great. Honestly, I spent I was also came

422
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Speaker 1: from I would like look at my phone and you

423
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Speaker 1: know how it tells you, like how much time you've spent.

424
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Speaker 1: I think like one day I got to like ten

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Speaker 1: hours and I was like, I've dropped it, and I

426
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Speaker 1: was like, it's ten is so much. It's so much.

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Speaker 1: I've I recently was confronted by my phone and they

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Speaker 1: said that it actually very rudely said to me that

429
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Speaker 1: I had been on my phone for an average of

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Speaker 1: seven hours and thirty six minutes, And I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is so much time guaranteed on on any given day,

432
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Speaker 1: more than I've slept easily. Yeah, h which is shoo spooky.

433
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Speaker 1: It's very spooky and spooky cookie crazy title of apple. Um.

434
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Speaker 1: But then then then you feel like, do you feel

435
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Speaker 1: like since deleting it, you already concentse a little bit

436
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Speaker 1: of a change and that you're doing other things? Did

437
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Speaker 1: you start reading this book when like I'd already started,

438
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Speaker 1: But like, um, now I like exercise more. I like

439
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Speaker 1: to just go on walks around the neighborhood. I volunteer

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Speaker 1: at many organiz I don't I do, Like, I mean,

441
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Speaker 1: it's been such a short time, but I do feel

442
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Speaker 1: like it's better in the long run. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's staying. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. I can't

444
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Speaker 1: give it up and can also it's so that's annoying,

445
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Speaker 1: but like, if we want to have any sort of

446
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Speaker 1: career in the entering, you have to have some Yeah

447
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Speaker 1: that's what's frustrating. That's so gross. Well, that's the thing.

448
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Speaker 1: It's like you have to kind of like you will

449
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Speaker 1: if actively die to people, if you do not exist

450
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Speaker 1: in somewhere on the internet. And then people are always like,

451
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Speaker 1: well I would delete it, but then like how will

452
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Speaker 1: I promote stuff? And how will I do this? Will

453
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Speaker 1: people think this? This? This? And you want to tell

454
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Speaker 1: them like no, of course they won't. Everything will be fine.

455
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Speaker 1: But then you're in your head like will it I

456
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Speaker 1: don't know, Like it's weird, it's we've let it take

457
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Speaker 1: over to such an extent, like it's not. I wonder

458
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Speaker 1: sometimes if it's this thing that like you don't actually need,

459
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Speaker 1: like you you don't know, but if you're going to

460
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Speaker 1: do a certain thing. That's like a friend of mine

461
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: told me recently, the Oscar winner j K. Simmons is

462
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Speaker 1: a series regular on a television show and its second season,

463
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know because he's not

464
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Speaker 1: tweeting about it. It's like when you find out it's

465
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Speaker 1: it's like when you find out like, um, like that

466
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Speaker 1: Jennifer love Hugh it is still is still working regularly

467
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Speaker 1: or like you know, like that Julia Stiles is actually

468
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Speaker 1: in Hustlers. Yeah she is. Opens tonight we're seeing it tonight.

469
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Speaker 1: So this is of course, it is September twelve, two

470
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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, and we're recording this episode now on the

471
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Speaker 1: day that we were going to go see Hustlers, and

472
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Speaker 1: have you read these reviews? Of course, Jennifer Lopez gets

473
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Speaker 1: emotional when she finds out she's maybe in the running

474
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Speaker 1: for an Oscar. She certainly didn't. I watched the video

475
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Speaker 1: of this. She said, it's obviously amazing, and you know

476
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Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't matter, but it does. If Jennifer

477
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Speaker 1: Lopez give us a performance that is worthy of an

478
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Speaker 1: Oscar nomination, I will absolutely cry from joy. Of course,

479
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Speaker 1: you were really going through it with Selena the other day,

480
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Speaker 1: I was, yeah, So basically I I said that. I

481
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Speaker 1: said that I was going to do something that I

482
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Speaker 1: did not end up following up on, which was I

483
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: was going to do a Jalo marathon. I was going

484
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Speaker 1: to watch five iconic j Loo movies and the five

485
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Speaker 1: days leading up to tonight when we're gonna go see Hustlers,

486
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Speaker 1: and I watched Made in Manhattan and Selena and then

487
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Speaker 1: ran out of time and couldn't do the other three

488
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Speaker 1: I was going to do, which we're enough Monster in

489
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Speaker 1: law and not the cell It actually was no, Oh

490
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Speaker 1: my god, wait, why am I losing? The last one

491
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Speaker 1: wasn't out of sight at the next door. No, it

492
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Speaker 1: wasn't the boy extra either, the one with Leah Remony.

493
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Second act was my favorite. Second act

494
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: is so good. Oh my god. Everyone needs to see

495
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: second Act. There are moments in it that will make

496
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: you scream, not from laughter but from terror. She didn't

497
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: soon as she run into the glass door or something.

498
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: There are two moments of broad physical comedy that are

499
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: in a different movie that you're that you're so grateful for,

500
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: including she trips over a partition in a supermarket and

501
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: then she lets a bunch of birds fly during a

502
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: presentation at the end of the movie and they get

503
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: all huge. Basically, it's like she's revealing at the end

504
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: of the movie. Of course she works at like some

505
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: perfume company or like whatever, so she's like, this is

506
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: the perfume and then like the doves fly in the

507
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: middle of the park, the doves fly into the street,

508
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: they get hit by everyone goes oh, and then the

509
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: scene is over. They never addressed it again and the

510
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: probably doesn't success. It's basically like scary movie three, like

511
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Speaker 1: like the pencils making thrown, It's so did that basically,

512
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Speaker 1: it's you think they'd be like a rule of three,

513
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Speaker 1: there would be like a third huge moment of unwarranted

514
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Speaker 1: physical comedy, but there is not. It is so good,

515
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Speaker 1: It is so good to watch. Oh my god, I

516
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, monster a lot enough, Selena made in

517
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Speaker 1: Manhattan and the wedding Planner, the wedding but I've seen

518
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: the wedding Planner so many times? Right, So can we

519
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: have just a round table discussion on this for one second, Jennifer,

520
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: And here's the let's say this. This is Hollywood reporter

521
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: actresses in Hollywood. Who's who was Jamie Adams? Every single one? Regina?

522
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I was going to be Amy Adams. You think I'm

523
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: Regina King, Yeah, but I do believe that. Actually at

524
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: this table, I am Gaga. Okay, Okay, who's your Glen.

525
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: There's Andrews, Glenn h you're Glenn sitting over there and

526
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: you won win Oscar this year. Before we move on

527
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: really quickly, I do have to say about Gina Rodriguez.

528
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: He first Hollywood Report around table was um Best Actress,

529
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Speaker 1: Lead Lead Actress, comedy, and she like she starts talking

530
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: about like body positivity and then she turns to Lena

531
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: Dunham and goes, I mean you've done so much the

532
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: body positivity movement. And then when you can see it

533
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: like sort of like Lena just doesn't really know how

534
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: to take and she's like, oh, thank you, I love it. Whatever,

535
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Everyone see it out anyway. Anyway, here's

536
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: here's a sentence with which I will start. Okay, Jennifer

537
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: Lopez is good actress? Yes, okay, now when you I

538
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: forgot what was it, Betty Gilpin, when you played actress

539
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: or star? Yes? Yes, I was in a van recently

540
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: with many people on ice throughout Jennifer Lopez while playing

541
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: that game, and it was a huge point of contection.

542
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I am a very like even keeled

543
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: personally used you seem so even killed thank you so much, um,

544
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: and I I got like so heated with this girl

545
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: who was like absolutely an actress, and I was like star. Okay,

546
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: So you were playing and there you were saying is

547
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: she primarily a star or primarily an actress? You were

548
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: not arguing that she is both exactly, So you were

549
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean I would have to agree with you. She

550
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: is primarily correct, yes, and she was citing she said

551
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: Selena alone makes her an actress. Okay, I would say

552
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: that she gave I think, okay, let's actually talk about this.

553
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: She's giving great performances and also being a quote unquote

554
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: good actress. I would argue, like, when you watch Selena.

555
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: I watched that movie, and I say, that's a very

556
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: good actor. Yes, but there is something too. I think

557
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: the fact that all her great performances, and there were several,

558
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: all came that late nineties area and then they seem

559
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: to really stop happening completely for the last twenty years.

560
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: So but there's like definitely merits to her romantic comedy work.

561
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: I think, like I think she is affecting and scenes

562
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: in Monster and Law, and scenes in the Wedding Planner

563
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: and scenes here and there, And I would argue that

564
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: she elevates material that maybe wouldn't even happen, like maybe

565
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: second act doesn't even happen unless she's in it, and

566
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't even like get seen at all if she's

567
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: not committing to it in some way. And I think

568
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: you can be an actress well being in romantic comedies

569
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: like I would argine, Kate Hudson is an actress. I

570
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: think Kate Hudson is great, Right, Okay, you don't agree.

571
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: I think Kate Hudson is great. This actually is a

572
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: tough one for me Kates, because it's like she's definitely

573
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: given great performances, but is there a lot of versatility

574
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: and the kind of things that she can do, Like

575
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: I would say, like in Almost Famous, she comes out

576
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: there and you're like, oh, I'm in love with her,

577
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: and then since and it's kind of been like she

578
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: is real good at doing like the skeleton key, kind

579
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: of like Culture number twenty, the skeleton key. Um, but

580
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: she is to me, like very good at doing Kate

581
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: Hudson's shipping star then actress. I would have a problem

582
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: with anyone saying that, Wow, okay, I can't tell I

583
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I did just laugh because I thought I remembered.

584
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: And someone brought this up on another episode. But in

585
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Speaker 1: the Boy next Door, this boy this high school that

586
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Speaker 1: she that wants the hottest man in the world buys

587
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Speaker 1: her a gift, and the gift is a first edition

588
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589
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Speaker 1: the first edition. You didn't have done that. Yeah, scroll

590
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Speaker 1: was like a mile on scrol found. It was like

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Speaker 1: a Penguin edition. Yes, my first addition, Oh no, I

592
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that. Noah, I'll never forget. There was

593
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: a poster for that movie like at my subway station,

594
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: at my subway station that I own, And one of

595
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: the taglines in the movie was like her biggest mistake

596
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Speaker 1: and someone penciled and was making this movie. Wow, who

597
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Speaker 1: knew that we're going to be incisive hot takes on

598
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Speaker 1: the subway? And it was Rachel Dratch. I saw her

599
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Speaker 1: sort of doing the last few scribbles and then you

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Speaker 1: were like, Dratch, got you draft? Oh my god, that

601
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602
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Speaker 1: um Selena, I was like, this is a great performance

603
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645
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Speaker 1: and when I know something even scarier, creepier please. I

646
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Speaker 1: saw a live performance um picked oh, and I said,

647
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Speaker 1: when you guys sang a song about being young, We're

648
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Speaker 1: going to die young, beautiful so hard God. Specifically, remember

649
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: the two of you within the group, which is not

650
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Speaker 1: to say that the others were unremarkable and maybe it's

651
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: just like gay people, but I do like specifically remember

652
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: leaving being like those two are so funny. Oh my god,

653
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: we know when you were there, we would have lost

654
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: our mind. Oh my god, we'll never forget. I forgot

655
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: who I came, but I like, I was hanging out

656
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: with Doug Whiteck at the time and I came and

657
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: that just really made me l L wow. Yeah, that

658
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: was a fun time in our life and equal parts

659
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: like but also like petrify, like wondering what the sketches

660
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: were that were in the show. It was a good

661
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: show that night, a lot of race stuff of stuff.

662
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: Of course we were on on the cutting edge. Oh

663
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: my god, Oh my god, I can't talk about no.

664
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Speaker 1: But you know we were talking about today was we

665
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: years ago we did a sketch um where our friend's

666
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: Studie Green played Joan from Madman, and I wrote the

667
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: sketch which was like essentially Joane comes in and like

668
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: it's like the office workers and Bone was one of

669
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: the office workers and she was like, we need ice

670
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: and then she left and then the whole sketches Bone

671
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: just being like, I'm sorry that we need to talk

672
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: about who that was like, yeah, that was that was

673
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: like I wasn't having fun. Oh my god, stop it.

674
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: But honestly nothing, never mind what well? I was talking

675
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: about this speaker to you the other day at work

676
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: with someone and it was just like we were just

677
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: and this sounds so like this sounds like merrily we

678
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: were all along, but it was just like, God, remember,

679
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: don't you miss the days when you would like you

680
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: only made stuff for yourself? Yeah, but those I don't

681
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: know how you feel, but like those were also the

682
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: days when you were a big stage what I mean

683
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: where you are right now exactly and now and now

684
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: it's like the grass is always greener, you know what

685
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, what did that look like for you? Like,

686
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: was it just like being in Dylan, like being a

687
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: counselor to someone on the spectrum and not having the

688
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: training until like, um, like what was like roughing it

689
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: for you? I mean I'm gross, I'm grossing, Like I

690
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: got very lucky. I was in college and got cast

691
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: in Spring Awakening my soft year and left school and

692
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: like great, the last like ten years have been on

693
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: the theater schedule. But you've worked, but you seem and

694
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: this sounds so whatever but you seem remarkably like grounded

695
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: and like not like truly I mean yes, Like I'm like, oh,

696
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: Taylor's like Taylor's Taylor like gets it, like he gets

697
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: it from all, like he gets everything like on a

698
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: very holistic level, like what what's happening in the world,

699
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: And like I'm like, oh, like that's like like like

700
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: that perspective is very rare. I don't know. Thanks anyway,

701
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: same what about you? I have to I have to

702
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: ask you about Hello Dolly. Yeah, first they talk about it,

703
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: please the best whatever. Bet is like everything you want

704
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: her to be in more. Oh my god, so funny,

705
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: like as funny as you think, she'll be ten times funnier.

706
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'll never forget. We were staging some

707
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: scene and the director asked her to like cross from

708
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: stage right and stage left, and she goes, you know,

709
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't like to talk and turn my head at

710
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: the same time, completely earnestly that blocking was changed. So

711
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: like the experience of being in rehearsal with her, what

712
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: is that like? Well, actually, I was so like prepared

713
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: to be like inconstant like keeping my distance from her,

714
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: or like feeling like I was gonna say something stupid

715
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: because she is the legend. She's Bet Middler. And then

716
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: we showed up to first day of rehearsal and she

717
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: was wearing like a sketcher shape up, like some sort

718
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: of like ath leisure ensemble. She's like the four ft tall,

719
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: tiny grake. She looks like your grandmother. She's like so

720
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: unassuming and was like so welcoming and kind, and she

721
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: also wants to get right to work, like she was

722
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: so kind and lovely, but also it's like let's let's

723
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: do this, and like on ten minute breaks she was

724
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: like up on stage going through things like running lines

725
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: and wowow and you had Beanie and David and kol

726
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Gavin is one of my crushes. What a great fucking show.

727
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: The first first live musical I ever saw. But just

728
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Speaker 1: like dinn Are just in school, she did go right,

729
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: didn't you go to Hell? I didn't. I saw I

730
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: saw Bernie. Of course you saw Bernie Sanders the roll

731
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: of Dolly and it was TRANSMATI yeah, it was huge.

732
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: I remember just I really wanted to go see Bet

733
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: but it was impossible to get yeah, like harder than

734
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: Hamilton's Yeah, oh yeah, you hear that? That manuel um

735
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, oh my god, you hear that

736
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: we're not going to I just I fucking love that

737
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: love that show so much. And I was just saying, like,

738
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: that is like the first piece of musical theater that

739
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: I saw live. Were you in it with Bernadette? Why

740
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: I left, David beat Beanie and I left the same day?

741
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: What you all left arm in arm? And you said

742
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: if you go, I go. Baby. That's right. How long

743
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: does it take to stage and rehearse that musical? I'm

744
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: always curious about, like how long the rehearsal pars for

745
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: like a Broadway Generally it's like four ish weeks of rehearsal,

746
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: with one week being like you're on stage in the

747
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: theater with the technical elements and costumes, and then you

748
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: have like a month of previews where you're still rehearsing

749
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: during the day and changing the show. Hello Dolly we started.

750
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: We did like a week or or too long week workshop,

751
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: which is like a Hello Dolly like we it was

752
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: so peculiar to do like a workshop of like a

753
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: smash at musical. Yeah, but like the principal casted a

754
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: two week workshop in Harlem where we just sort of

755
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: like met each other and got comfortable, I guess. So

756
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: we did that and then we came back for rehearsals

757
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: and probably rehearsed for like six or seven weeks. It

758
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: was a long process, but it was massive. There was

759
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: like a gigantic train, I mean something people. Yeah, there's

760
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: nothing bigger than a training wales. There is nothing that whales.

761
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: It's perspective. Whales like to always try to use this.

762
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: The water can kind of destroy. See, they're very small.

763
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: Often times when you look down into the water, things

764
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: look different size than ever. That's that's what that's called.

765
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: And some of these blue whales out there are such

766
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: bitches and they think they're big. They haven't even seen trains.

767
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: They need to come see Dolly, Dolly. Um okay, so

768
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: this is a thing. So a lot of people that

769
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: do musical theater that I know, like you were saying,

770
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: like um, back when you were doing those shows, like

771
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: you would rotate out shows and like you do like

772
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: a workshop of Dolly and etcetera. Are you one of

773
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: those people that's just like you just know all these shows.

774
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: So when you get cast in something, you're familiar with

775
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: it from knowing it because you love musical theater. Like

776
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: is it. Did you find that makes it easier? Yes?

777
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: Most mostly, Um, and I've been in so many things

778
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: where it existed beforehand. Um, so yes, certainly, Hello Dolly

779
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: was weirdly the one show I didn't know at all.

780
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: I'd seen Wally and so I knew like some they

781
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: were like put on your Sunday clothes and movie Wally.

782
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: Oh yes, So I thought that was like my only

783
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: that was my one entry point. But yeah, I guess.

784
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like a big theater in high school,

785
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: went to performing arts schools from age of like seven. Um,

786
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: there is such a good fucking generation of like like

787
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: people like people like I said, I just said to you,

788
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I ran into I didn't know you lived in not

789
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: to say where you live, but you live in the

790
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: same neighborhood as me. And I didn't know this. I

791
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: ran ran into Adam Chandler Barratt on the street, and

792
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: like I said to him, I was like, I was like, oh,

793
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: Taylor's coming on the show, and he was like, oh

794
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: my god, he lives right over there. I was like

795
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: what And I didn't realize that, but like I was

796
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: looking in his face and I was like, you have

797
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: made me cry. So hard. I told him that I

798
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: was like, I won the lottery years ago to go

799
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: see Next to Normal and came out and he berated you.

800
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: And this is before the show even He just walked

801
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: straight out to you and wagged his little finger in

802
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: your face. Yeah, and he wiped his little finger in

803
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: my face and he hit me. And it's important that

804
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: everyone knows that Adam Chandler Brod hit me. Just kidding.

805
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: The only thing he hit me with was his massive talent.

806
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: So um. But he I was like looking like there

807
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: was a moment where I won the lottery the next

808
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: tram years ago, and me and my friend Kenzie were

809
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: sitting and thank you. If I've ever heard of like

810
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: a gay man's best friend, Yeah, honestly, it was very that.

811
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Speaker 1: And so we were sitting in right called the Lincoln Sea.

812
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: It's come for me, but we were problematic, problematic September two. Um,

813
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: so basically like we're sitting there and we the perfect

814
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: for you, like the Hey number three. I've never experienced

815
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: crying like like that through so anyway, into the end

816
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: of the show, Fucking Alice Ripley is a monster for

817
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: what she did to me. Adam is a monster. For

818
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: what he did to me. Jennifer Damiana I saw I

819
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: still like the original cast, but not eront Fate. They

820
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: were psycho and then I was like looking at them

821
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's crazy you're here. And then the

822
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: other night I saw now the other night, like I

823
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: about a month ago, were even to go see Waitress

824
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: and Noah Galvin was in it, and my god, truly,

825
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: when you're like doing something, can you go see other things? Like?

826
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: Are there nights when you can go check stuff out? No,

827
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: which is the hardest. There are I've actually seen such

828
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: a little theater I feel like since living here. Wow,

829
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: because like when you're all in the same schedule together,

830
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: god bum that sucks. Especially for someone who works. Sucks

831
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: and you work a lot, so it's like you can't

832
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: And actually it encourages a tribalism. And that is what

833
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: it led us to the election, and to begin with

834
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: the tribalism in this country. It was specifically the tribalism.

835
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: They became so tribal. And now you know, when there's

836
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: a blackout, you got to compete for who has the

837
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: funnest street show? Yeah, stupid. It's always mean, girl, It's

838
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: always the mean girls cast. Oh my god. I mean

839
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: there's something about I think I'm gonna I'm gonna go

840
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: out there and say this just because I did. I

841
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: did a thing recently where it was just like a

842
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: table read type of thing where it was all Broadway

843
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: people for for like one of my best friends of

844
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: all time, and I gotta say, I'll put it out there.

845
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Baby got a little got a got got a huge

846
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: talent crush right back at you. From his end, I'm

847
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm just like Jared, Yeah, oh my god.

848
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: It was just all these like crazy crazy people, like

849
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: crazy amazing people, and all of us were just like,

850
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like it would just be being like

851
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: because I was on the opposite end of all these people,

852
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: of the actors, the readers basically and like saying the

853
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: fold nut, saying all the numbers, and to be hit

854
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: with like a wall of like beautiful music like that.

855
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 1: I've never experienced anything like it. We all got emotional. Yeah,

856
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: there's something so like inherently emotional about music just listening,

857
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: but for people who do it so well, I mean,

858
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: and oh my god, this is what I was gonna say,

859
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: Like I was gonna like make a big old bow

860
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: claim and say like Broadway people like the most talented,

861
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: well rounded people. I think in any like show bizfield.

862
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: I mean when you see someone fucking crush and like

863
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: a musical or like anything like that, Like that's when

864
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, I mean, I'm in awe of you guys,

865
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: like you guys have to have skills. That is just

866
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: like That's why I'm like, it's just it's gaggy Taylor. Okay,

867
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: well let's ask the question. Yeah, we have to ask

868
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: the question. And also I'm hoping that well before we

869
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: answer that, before we ask the question, you being from

870
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: Tampa is important as a Tampa queen. Well, not even

871
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: the proximity Tampa, because that was where my grandparents lived

872
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: and my sister lives in St. Pete now, so I

873
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: go to Tampa maybe twice a year, even Hannah honestly,

874
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: like if I'm not up in the clear water, of

875
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: course getting my culture, but no Tampa. I saw that

876
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: you were from Tampa, and I was like, yes, Queen,

877
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: You're the only person who's ever responded that way, people like,

878
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: oh I thought you were from Maine or something. You

879
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: got the very main um. But anyway, we do have

880
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: to ask the question, which is, um, you know, what

881
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

882
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: Taylor Trench. So I thought about this for a long time,

883
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: and initially I constructed this like gorgeous tapestry, like a triptic,

884
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: almost like trifles sort of, and it was it was

885
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: Sailor Moon Watching Sailor Moon before School, the Brady Bunch

886
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: movie Yes, starring Christine Taylor, and the movie musical version

887
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: of Oliver, specifically the scene where Nancy, like the tough

888
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: broad gets murdered on a bridge. So I was like forget,

889
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: I know. So I was all set to like take

890
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: you through that and like sort of like the theme

891
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: between that as that it's all like blond women, which

892
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: is deeply troubling, and like I need to investigate that.

893
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: But then late last night I suddenly remember this is

894
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: specific to Tampa. A little group called Entertainment Review. What

895
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: was this? Okay, I have a video clip, I have

896
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: picks like to share with you so you can kind

897
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: of get on board. But Entertainment Review is a group

898
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: of it's been going for thirty years, as long as

899
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: I have been on this earth. It's this group of

900
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: like I want to say thirty young girls wearing so

901
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: much makeup, and they have nine medley's. How young are

902
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: the girls? We're talking probably from five perfect the average

903
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: is like five to thirteen, but then there's always like

904
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: one seventeen or eighteen year old. You're like, babe, because

905
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: for us, young girls could be like in the ties. Know,

906
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: this is like genuine, like six young girls, um um.

907
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: And which is not to say that Transplanter not genuine.

908
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: They are every bit um. But so it's like these

909
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: it's these young girls wearing so much makeup and they

910
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: do these medley's. We're talking. They've got like your country medley.

911
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: They've got a big band medley, They've got like a

912
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: Hollywood medley. They have both a patriotism medley and a

913
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: Salute to America medley. And the main difference between those

914
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: is that in one it's like a very formal stars

915
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: and stripes sort of outfit, and then the Salute to

916
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: America it's more of like a flared, light washed teen

917
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: in a red tank too. And I think one is

918
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: like to be performed like one was performed in front

919
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: of George Bush and the other was performed in front

920
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: of Bill Clinton. Sure, um, I don't think I have

921
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: to say which I don't. I don't don't think I

922
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: have to say which tank top? Remember who that was for? Um?

923
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: But I'm going to show you a clip of UM

924
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: probably rock and roll, the best of the fifties, sixties

925
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: and seventies. But out of this group came Willa Ford

926
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: famously said that nine A Levin is the reason she's

927
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: not a bigger star. The other day, Yes, Um, out

928
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: of this came a girl group called p y T

929
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: who you probably aren't familiar with by name, but they

930
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: do sing a song Anywhere USA, which is on the

931
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: Miscongeniality soundtrack. Anyway, Yeah the Swim, Yes, yes, of course.

932
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: And they're also remember they're also featured in Mandy Moore's

933
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: UM Missing You Like Candy video. I think they're like

934
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: her friends world. They start like pumping out these pop

935
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: stars and so initially started just like something for the community,

936
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: and then it was like this woman named Cynthia who

937
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: created it. Cynthia who did adopt a baby names Awe

938
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: from China. She became like a factory to just sort

939
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: of like push these young girls into like our c

940
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: A records office and be like sign her. Yeah, um,

941
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up a bit and we can obviously

942
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: edit this out no, um no, just we'll just make

943
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: sure that we can hold up to the night. Or

944
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: we can just send we can just send you the note,

945
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: the video or really the audio. Oh my god. Yeah,

946
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: and we do that, okay, yes, yeah, I talk amongst

947
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Okay, so Taylor has pulled this up. Okay,

948
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch. And now what's it called again? This

949
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: is called um in quotations rock and roll, and then

950
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: underneath that the best of the fifties, sixties and seventies.

951
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: And I actually don't think you need that apostrophe between

952
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: the number and the it's not convey. So here we

953
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: got ready interview. Its okay, high kicks to the Beatles.

954
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: And this is of course by the poodle skirts. You'll

955
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: notice that whenever they're like mid drifts are exposed, there's

956
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: like a flesh colored ye see and shout out to

957
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: the costume designer. There are hundreds of costume changes per medles. Here.

958
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: We have white girls in acro waves. That's what we

959
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: have here, kid, the tempo, very fun term. Oh that

960
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: arrow is going through her head? Is that your best friend? Now?

961
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: I wish Oh my god. So these are two girls

962
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: from p I T. Open that mouth. Yes, I mean

963
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: they're very good. Totally. There's always a moment where someone

964
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: comes like in a gown and sings a valid and

965
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: here's one this sister wife, like, what's the hair silhouette? Here?

966
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: What will we even call this wife? That's your friend

967
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: lighting to hell? Now? Wow, that girl is the star

968
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: that was the lead singer p I T. Wow, I

969
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: stand any white girl with little to no soul going, Yes,

970
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: it's my favorite thing. Me too, that's my best friend. No,

971
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: I love it. No, she's a star vias and she's

972
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: queering the space like Atlantic learning artists. Something about the

973
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: way it was filmed makes it look like they all

974
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: died in a tragic accident. Wow, come on the roll.

975
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: I can honestly I connect with that because it's like

976
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: when you're a kid and you see other kids up

977
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: there doing it, it does make you feel like and

978
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: then you have the performers instincts, especially just like a

979
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: group of girls like changing looks every five seconds. Okay,

980
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: so what did that do for you watching it? Were

981
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: you just like I'm just enjoying this on a pure

982
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: level where you're like I want to do that. I

983
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: think a combo of both, and I think there's maybe

984
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: even a part of me as like as little as

985
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: I was when I was watching this that understood like

986
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: how funny it was. Yeah, I mean you see the

987
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: you have to see right, Like it's so campy. But

988
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: it was just such a thrill and it was so

989
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: many girls that I was like going to school with.

990
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: There was a girl named Kalina Nkamoto who famously then

991
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: did become a member of the Charade Brigade on the

992
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: hit Nickelodeon show UM hosted by Summer Sanders. Oh you mean,

993
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: uh sure a slime? No, God, figure it out, Kalina Nkamoto,

994
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: we did have the same birthday, UM figuring out, seeing

995
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: my seeing my friends like be stars and every Yeah,

996
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: they were just bringing so much makeup and I was

997
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: loving every second. Are you performing? At the time, I

998
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: was like in school, But were you looking at the

999
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: girls and like with like a with like a shifty eye,

1000
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: being like they get to do something and I can't. Yeah, yeah,

1001
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: but that's a weird question saying I'm sure. I'm sure.

1002
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I want to be up there

1003
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: so bad. I want to be like the Lone Boy Center.

1004
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um. And I also was like I never

1005
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: I have thought of myself and I am not a

1006
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: very good singer, like an am an actor and like

1007
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: sort of like a like the funny guy on stage

1008
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: like Waka waka. I don't know, but I promise I'm

1009
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: not really Like there are just so many incredible as

1010
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: you were saying, like at your where you were where

1011
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: there were so many Broadway voices singing at you. There

1012
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: are people who are phenomenal and I'm not one of those,

1013
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: but you've like let it Broadway show and like it

1014
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and and Taylor's a star and an actor

1015
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: and a singer. Oh and this is this is a game.

1016
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: You add a third category with Broadway. Wow. Anyway, I

1017
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: mean that's the talking thing is like when you watch like,

1018
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: for example, like Audres's performance of one ten in the

1019
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: Shade Fancy Raunchy sorry um on the Tony Awards, and

1020
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: she does like an aerial flip, It's like you shouldn't

1021
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: be able to do what Audre does in an acting

1022
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: and singing from an acting and singing and also be

1023
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: able to do an aerial flip. And then you see

1024
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean I'll never forget when I saw Sutton in

1025
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: the Drowsy Chaperone. That was I watched that Tony performance

1026
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: all of the time. It's shocking how talented she is,

1027
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: and I honestly I did feel that way again when

1028
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: I saw Noah and Waitress. He I'm not even kidding you.

1029
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: I contacted any materroids and I was like, you are

1030
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: God the next level. Yeah, but there's that happens all

1031
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: the time, like almost everyone is capable of that, like

1032
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: if you like, not almost everyone, but like you see

1033
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: these people and they're just so good, Like I don't know,

1034
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: musical theater acting to me is like I love you guys.

1035
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: It's it's it's athletic, it's it's everything. Okay. So I mean,

1036
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: so this is the culture that made you say I

1037
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: okay for me, and I like, I wish so badly

1038
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: I could be doing that, Like I wish I had

1039
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: the ability to like slay the house down like these

1040
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: young ladies are doing. And I just loved it. I

1041
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: Like I've always loved a quick change, like from day one,

1042
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: and it just who were you in Spring Awakening? More?

1043
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: It's more More, More is a good part. Tony Award

1044
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: winning Miss Ms Gallagher Junior even Miss Gallagher Jr. To

1045
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: be confused with Gallagher Senior, not to be confused with

1046
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: Miss Senior, but of course, but of forks um. Did

1047
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: you see the original Spring Awake? I did so many

1048
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: times cried in my childhood home when it won the

1049
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: Tony Award really like I was like, we did little

1050
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: little did you know you would later thereafter? That must

1051
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: have been like a crazy fucking moment when you get

1052
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: cast in that. Yeah, one of the like best experiences

1053
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: to still to this day. Are there shows now that

1054
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, I wanna like I want to check

1055
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: that box in terms of rules or is it or

1056
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: it is Broadway in a place now where you're just like,

1057
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: well the new like new ship, like the new ships

1058
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: coming up and like, I don't know what the thing is.

1059
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know how you feel about where where

1060
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: Broadway is. I would love to tell you, No, I

1061
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I've in terms of the like what like

1062
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: what boxes I want to check? I feel like because

1063
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: I've been doing it, I've been like lucky enough to

1064
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: do it for so long. I do sort of what

1065
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: I would love to like try not being on stage,

1066
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: film and television. Also, every time I go in for

1067
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: an audition, they're like, get your rat face out of here,

1068
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like, absolute best of luck with your project

1069
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: and thank you for the feedback. Um I would. That's

1070
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: like something that's interesting to me. The future of Broadway,

1071
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean right now and for a long time. I

1072
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: feel like we've been in this era of like pop music,

1073
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: like and even like pop musicians writing music for Broadway,

1074
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's about to end. Yeah, So

1075
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: I feel like we're nearing that, and I don't know

1076
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: what the next frontier is. Well, it's interesting, like the

1077
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: best past couple of years there have been that there's

1078
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: like one or two shows that are fully not that

1079
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: that like get like so much critical notice, and then

1080
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: they do better as a result of that, such as

1081
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: Hades Town and like bands visit and things like that.

1082
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: Is a pop album, Oh my god, I guess you're right,

1083
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel like it's something about it. Yeah,

1084
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's the way it's present. I literally know nothing

1085
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: about Hadestown. I haven't seen it. Yeah, all I know

1086
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: is that it's good, right, and then I shouldn't not

1087
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: heard a single song that makes us bad bad our

1088
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: media diet is bad and I don't know, like literally,

1089
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: like it's like it's with the pop music song running

1090
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: of it all. It's like but when you go see waitress,

1091
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: like who's mad? She is so talented, the wickedly talented,

1092
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: the wicked talented one and on um. But yeah, I'm

1093
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: mean I love going to the theater. We love going

1094
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: to the theater. What were your did you do theater

1095
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: in high school? So yeah? Oh so yeah, so Matt

1096
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: had a very high school musical Za. No, maybe I

1097
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: was just posited and like couldn't do any of it

1098
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: because I was I was closetive at the time. I

1099
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything because I was too scared, but I

1100
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: always wanted to And then I felt like I got

1101
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: involved in it a little late to the point where

1102
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: like I did audition for a couple of musical theater roles,

1103
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: like like walking into Telsey, Like auditioning for that ship

1104
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: is like a true car because it's like what you said,

1105
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: like when you go in there, you sing and like

1106
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: you you think you're you think you're a good or

1107
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: fine singer, and then you hear some of these people

1108
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, the way you produce sounds just different.

1109
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: Although you both are very good singers, I swear like

1110
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: you're very good. Lately we've heard ourselves back, just like

1111
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, a nice person on Instagram will record us

1112
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: singing like let that we do in the wrong key

1113
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: and it just sounds awful. So we often think, like

1114
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: we know, let, maybe you're a star. We can just

1115
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: do it without it. So then we go up there

1116
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: and it's like finding the note in the beginning, because

1117
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: like the way that it starts, and I'm Catherine out

1118
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: of the two of us, so I like said it,

1119
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: and I'll hear myself sing it back and it will

1120
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: be so humiliating because I know, I don't think I'm

1121
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: like the best ever, but I know I'm not that bad,

1122
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: but it sounds so freaking bad. And then this was

1123
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: the gag. We tweeted that we have recently sang it

1124
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: and it was horrific because we often do that to

1125
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: get ahead of it. And Mark Shaman himself tweeted and

1126
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: so I would like to hear this, and I said,

1127
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: and I would like to see that, would like to

1128
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: see He's literally saying, like I've sung demos worse than

1129
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: I guess I'm most shocked to hear that you're the

1130
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: Katherine McPhee. I'm the Catherine you think he's you think

1131
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: I think healthy, and you're the Katherine McFee. Interesting. That's interesting, well,

1132
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: because wouldn't you say that Katherine McPhee is a cat

1133
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: and Megan Hilty is a dog? Or no, how interesting

1134
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I say Megan Hilty is

1135
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: the cat, but maybe I guess in some ways. No,

1136
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: Actually I did not want snatches, not did I. I

1137
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: think that the reason why Bowen is the Megan Hilthy

1138
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: is because he comes in with a brassiness, sure, and

1139
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: a whiteness and very wide but I feel like like

1140
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: um in the like oh in this girl's rapahout. But

1141
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: but you that's you, Like you come in with like

1142
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: the like I'm gonna poet my bootstraps and get this part,

1143
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: and I'm more tucking your hair behind your Yeah, I'm

1144
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: sort of like I don't know, I guess I could

1145
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: couet yeah, but the first I mean, I'm just literally

1146
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: just copying Megan when I sing it. But it's like

1147
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: the for that first line that she sings, like really

1148
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: hits your ear in this way that's like whoa, Like

1149
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: she's like flashback girl, Like, whoa. I just out of

1150
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: the corner of my eye, I saw what happened to

1151
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: spark on the wave on the thing and it was

1152
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: in bad Sorry Andrew, Sorry, hp A, we peak for

1153
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: only you, Andrew hp A HPS producer. Smart Andrew, Yeah,

1154
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: very smart and um but smart most smartest, most smartest,

1155
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: most smartest? What what most smart smartest? I've been tempted

1156
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: to just put that on, but I'm just like, noll,

1157
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: save it for another time. I'm I dropped out of

1158
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: Gorgeous you got available on Hulu? Hulu? Is it? Yeah?

1159
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: Since July four? Baby? Oh yeah, so good. Well, I

1160
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 1: mean also just like talk about like great fucking little

1161
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: character performance, like drenched in them. Yes, there's there's gotta

1162
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: be There's gotta be a gay movie soon. Yeah. I'm

1163
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: just saying this because I had the thought the other day,

1164
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: just like there has to be like some movie with

1165
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of gays being being gay to each other.

1166
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying. Isn't hustlers in a

1167
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: way sort of fulfilling that? Yes, But it's just like

1168
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: it's like it's like that it's drag. It's it's like

1169
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: it's it's an awsome tone where it's like we're not

1170
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: fully there, we're about to touch it. We're like I

1171
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: think it'll happen soon, but it is. It is kind

1172
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: of like if you ever see like a lot of

1173
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: gays in one place, and like even even on stage,

1174
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: like it's like sad and dark. It's like early I

1175
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: feel like we still feel like um, but it's in

1176
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: terms of in terms of the content, not in terms

1177
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: of like whatever it is like. And I think, I

1178
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: hopefully think it will change. But I think it's funny

1179
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: that like you know, like the Boys in the Band

1180
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: was on was on Broadway, and it's like I love that,

1181
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: Like that was on Broadway and they did it. But

1182
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: it's like inherently that that piece of work is like

1183
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: not necessar serially like a celebration. It's it's mean and um,

1184
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: not indicative of the community that I'm in, like a

1185
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: product of the time that it was exactly exactly and

1186
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: so you know, it's just interesting. I think I think

1187
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: it's just something that's like easy for a producer to

1188
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: say yes today, easy to give money to because you

1189
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: get that group of boys or men um and then

1190
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: you put it together and you're like, what's something that

1191
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: they can do that we can get a quick yes to.

1192
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: And it's like the boys in the band because it exists, right,

1193
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like the known quantity, and so

1194
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: they do it. Yeah, I'm waiting for like someone to

1195
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: write that thing that like really speaks for and why

1196
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: are we waiting? Yeah, there's there. I just I can't

1197
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: wait for the day where there's like something that's not

1198
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: super heavy and like weighed down by like the trauma

1199
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: of being queer and that's the fat hair and everything

1200
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: no matter what. But also like it's not super like

1201
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: fluffy either, not that there's anything wrong with that, but

1202
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: there's like I can't wait for them to be like

1203
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: a filled out spectrum of all this. I am so

1204
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: certain that both of you will contribute things like that

1205
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: to the canon, like things that are like enormous successes

1206
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: and so important to people. Yeah, we'll do that in perpetuity. Yeah, okay,

1207
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: Well it's actually on my schedule for next I have

1208
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: I have tusday. Did Thursday blocked out to write um

1209
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: seminole uh representative of art um No? But I do

1210
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: feel like um but I'm just I'm just saying I

1211
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: think it is changing in a big way and purely

1212
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: on on the basis of how gay men. I know

1213
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: we just taught We opened this episode saying, like, well, game,

1214
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: we turned into our own bullies. But it's like, but

1215
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: also like, how lucky are we to like not being

1216
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: in a place anymore where it's like the only people

1217
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: gay men will watch on the stage of a drag

1218
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: queen or a portance. You know, it's like we are

1219
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: drifting away from that. Have you read less? I did,

1220
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: and I controversially found it absolutely tedious. Wow, Okay, but

1221
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: you guys share something. Okay, I'm just gonna tell the

1222
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: listeners right now. I do finally read it. Okay, we've

1223
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: been talking about like, um, like you've been sing it

1224
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: to me for such a long time, and so um.

1225
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: I did read it, and I did like it very much.

1226
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: The ending to me, I guess like spoiler alert for

1227
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: last or like we are going to happy ending. It's

1228
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: a happy ending, and that to me, I was like

1229
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: the romantic in me, like I absolutely cried and was

1230
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: affected by it. I was like, oh, it's amazing, like

1231
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: there's love in the world. But then part of me

1232
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: was kind of like is this reality? Like is this like?

1233
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: Or is this like? Or is this earned? Or is

1234
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: this Yeah? I mean the reveal again spoiler he's gay,

1235
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: he's gay, and that is his last name? Um no,

1236
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: But like the reveal that it was his his lover

1237
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: that he had broken up with, that was narrating it

1238
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: the whole time. I was like, I don't know about this,

1239
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: like it just it just felt easy for me and

1240
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: like a little bit hashtag reveal in a way that

1241
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it was as clever as I mean.

1242
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: I think like when Chanela came out in the Bubble,

1243
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: that to me was more clever than all of last

1244
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 1: a reveal when she came out in the Bump bitch Bowen,

1245
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: you're white, You're white. I think I have to also

1246
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: own that, like I am one of those white people

1247
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: who's like for me, like, Japanese culture is very fascinating,

1248
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: and so I think I was actually so hurt by

1249
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: the fact that I was promised a chapter set in

1250
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: Japan and get room it was in Japan, and that

1251
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: you had the whole tea ceremony and you were in it.

1252
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: It was how many pages dedicated to other travels and

1253
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: I got a sliver a slice of life. I will say,

1254
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: every single time a new chapter open and it was

1255
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: a new place, I was like, I'm bombed. I want

1256
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: to be in the last place. And then and then

1257
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: I was happy to be where I was. Then that's

1258
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: effective fucking storytelling. Back, I didn't say that, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying I'm if be on

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Speaker 1: the ending. I liked the book. I didn't find a

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Speaker 1: tedious like our damn guest okay wait talked about talk

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Speaker 1: about honey Okay unt, I like just I never found

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Speaker 1: it compelling. I wasn't interested in following him as a character. Mmm,

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Speaker 1: I like, I don't know, I feel bad like the character. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But my thing was like, my it's weird because my

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Speaker 1: favorite parts of the whole book were the flashbacks to

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Speaker 1: their life, and I was like, oh man, And then

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: it was weird because even though spoiler they end up

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Speaker 1: together at the end, I was kind of just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this feels right, like to me,

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01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: people don't just come back to me the compelling thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay and Sudi reminded me of this the other day

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01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: when we were talking about it was that it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting to track it from Arthur Less as

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Speaker 1: a character, like being the young person and the couple

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01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: just dating this older man, the mirroring, the mirroring of it,

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Speaker 1: where then he is he comes into middle age being like,

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: what the fund is happening? I have a younger lover,

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Speaker 1: he's leaving me. He's mirroring someone else like that, I think,

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01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: and assuming it has to be that way and like

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01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: kind of causing the delise of your own relationship despite

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01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: that not being what you want because it's it's been

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01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: your experience. And the way that Andrew Sean Greer writes

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01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: it like executes the mirroring is I think, very cool.

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Speaker 1: But I I get what you But I think part

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: of him as a character is that he's like kind

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01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: of a cipher that he's just like well at least

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01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: like in everyman that we or just like in terms

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: of like his like where he's at in life in

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01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: terms of being a middle aged gay and not knowing

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Speaker 1: how to like like not knowing what the rules book

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: is like he's just like he's floating. He's like, I

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01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm supposed to do. I guess I'll

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01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: travel around the world and not think about my ex

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01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: getting married. I don't know, but I I get what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. It's it's like at some point it gets

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Speaker 1: a little maybe a little tedious with like the jokes,

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: perhaps see the humor in it. I enjoyed the humor

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Speaker 1: in it. I think sometimes things it's so like richly

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: written that it sometimes it's just like, okay, let's get

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Speaker 1: to the next There were like no events, yeah, I think.

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Speaker 1: I also I hear what you're saying about the framework,

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 1: but I like, I feel like instantly I knew what

1304
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: the book was and there were no surprises. Okay, that's fair.

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am sucking obsessed. We've talked about

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01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: two different books, believe we. I there's there's got to

1307
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: be some book club thing, like like some like Oprah's

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01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: book Club for the Masses, for the queers. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what's the next book I'm reading. Trick or Talent?

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01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want to read that. And also the

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01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 1: book that you keep telling me to read normal people,

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: normal people. It's hetero. But I liked it a lot.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it on many a like book table, many

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01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: a book table, it's fine for me if things are hetero.

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: I can actually read a hetero piece. There you go.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like it's like it's like heterop exactly

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: how a piece like Succession is a heteropiece. And I

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Speaker 1: haven't watched that. I just started. I think it's fun.

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01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: Everyone says it's so fucking good. There's there's fun stuff happening,

1320
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 1: and it's happening to me again, which is are you

1321
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: like this where it's like when everyone tells you something

1322
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: is so good, like, well, I'll get immediately contrarian. Yeah. Yeah,

1323
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: there are so many things I'm breaking bad. I've never watched.

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: I know it's incredible, but I'm like the same for

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01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: some reason. I'm just like, I know that what's her

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01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: face chokes on her and vomit and dies and it's

1327
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: so I mean. Joe to be an Apartment Being an

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01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: Apartment three actually was whose co star was in Entertainment

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Speaker 1: Review dream a Walker Dreamer, I believe, was who also

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: did play Miss Hanna again to my start to be

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01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: singing solo in an Annie. Oh I'm sorry, Dream There's

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01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: someone Walker Tampa's own dream of Walker I refused to

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01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: lie and dream I refused to believe that I didn't

1334
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: come up with dream of Walker. You may knew her

1335
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 1: from the first Sex in the City movie. She's a

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01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: waitress at the restaurant when Charlotte's water breaks. It's like

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: she was and she was an entertainment review certain dream.

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: Oh wait, talk about this a little bit a white

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: person with the Japanese culture. Have you been to Japan? No?

1340
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: I was supposed to study abroad in Japan for a

1341
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: full year in college. All the theater majors, not all,

1342
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: but most of the theater majors go to London and

1343
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: they're like you, it's basically the same thing as being

1344
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: in college in America. And I was like, I'm not

1345
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: doing that, and so I made I crafted my own

1346
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 1: program in Japan. I like contacted a host family. I

1347
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 1: planned this entire year abroad in Kyoto, and then like

1348
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 1: a month before I was going to leave, I found

1349
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: out about Spring Awakening. I have never been How long

1350
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: has that been? Ten eleven years? Wow? Okay, so do

1351
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: you you're do? I think I think girls trip girls trip.

1352
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: I girls talked about Tokyo. We've been saying and Japan

1353
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: and jen like Kyoto. I've heard it's a great time,

1354
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: and then it's a great excuse to go to Disney Sasney. Um,

1355
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: I have to ask a question, Yes, who are you

1356
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: being in Dear of Enhancing? So was that like a

1357
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: different deal in terms of like the fans treated it

1358
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: like a cultural because that was a cultural moment. Especially

1359
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: I would imagine for like I remember being in high

1360
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: school and very much that that was that moment was wicked.

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01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: So now it's like you were in Dear Evan Hanson

1362
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 1: when it was having its cultural moment, Like can you

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01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: talk about like what it's like to perform that show

1364
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: for an audience that is experiencing that show as part

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01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: of its culture that we asked about, you know what

1366
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean? And expectations are high, and especially it was

1367
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: so peculiar because I was the only person. It was

1368
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: an it was the original company and then me and

1369
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: I was replacing this person who was like their performance

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01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: was the stuff. Like when it was announced that he

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01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: was leaving, fans were farning They're like, no matter who

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01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: comes in, like we're going to and of colat Honey

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: currently in Brazil. Yes, oh my god. Right Honestly, he

1374
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: said he was going to Brazil, and I was like wow, literally,

1375
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: come come to Brazil. I know it'll stop radio silence.

1376
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: And I was He was like, he was like doing

1377
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 1: press in Brazil, and I was like, well, I didn't.

1378
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,759
Speaker 1: I never thought of that as like an a center

1379
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: of press for like for like a gay show. Super Yeah.

1380
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: By the way, that show looks stunning. Yeah. Yeah, I

1381
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: was Gwyneth Paltrow is exquiz talking Lucy Boynton. Yes, I

1382
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: never saw a Bohemian Rhapsody. Um. Oh wow, that's she

1383
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: is like essentially the villain. An unbelievable performance. Really, Lucy

1384
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: playing ess daughter Jessica Lang. His daughter is Zoe Deutsch.

1385
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: I just got chills up my spine remembering that Jessica

1386
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 1: lyons and is giving you like everything you've ever wanted.

1387
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah it looks great. Yeah, I'm excited.

1388
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what happens. Oh my god,

1389
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I saw the trailer and I was like,

1390
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to show. Yes, okay, we keep

1391
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: talking about yeah yeah, so um yeah, it was like

1392
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: terrifying to step into this thing that I feel like. Also,

1393
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: when something becomes so huge, and especially the group who

1394
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: like loved it first, they sort of have a sense

1395
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: of ownership over it. And so it was like horrifying

1396
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: to step into that show and to step into a

1397
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: part that is like all that is so much about

1398
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: singing and singing high and singing a lot, and I

1399
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: was like no, um, And so I was like living

1400
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: in constant fear of that. It was cool, cool, crazy,

1401
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: but also like because it was this like it was

1402
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: like the show and still is in many ways, it's

1403
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: like such a huge staple on Broadway. Like I like,

1404
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: I feel like the day that my casting was announced,

1405
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: like suddenly I got like forty followers on it. Um,

1406
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: it really is. It was this moment Yeah, and I

1407
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: think it was. Um it was one of those things

1408
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: where I really I was dying to go see. I

1409
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: still have not seen it because it's it continues to

1410
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: be I mean, once word got out about the iconography

1411
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: that was it's it was kind of impossible to get tickets,

1412
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: and then it continued to be impossible. But then then

1413
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: that also just means that you being in the like

1414
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: like all I heard at least was like stellar, stellar,

1415
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: stellar things about Taylor. Yeah, that was just like did

1416
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: you do it with Rachel b Jones? Did do it?

1417
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: With Rachel by Jones. Uh yeah, I've joined with the

1418
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: original cast, and then like slowly, like month by month,

1419
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: a person would leave and a new face would come in.

1420
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 1: And I mean, everyone is so good at the show.

1421
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 1: I just saw the show recently with um the boy

1422
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: who was doing it now Jimmy Award winner Andrew bart Fell,

1423
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: and he's so good. Literally, Joe can Booster and I

1424
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: just at the Jimmy Awards were like, he's gonna be in.

1425
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: Devon Hanson. The producer of Devon Hanson was in the audience,

1426
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: like leaned over to the casting director and he's like,

1427
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: there is It's so funny, like like, um, he's in

1428
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: now and during Evan Hanson and Renee Raps, Regina George,

1429
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: that's crazy and that that honestly, And I don't know,

1430
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: did you watch the most recent Jimmy Awards. I was

1431
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: there in the Flesh, which Ben Platt posted. I was

1432
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: in the backgrow um and the girl who won um

1433
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: oh yes, she was just a stunning performance. So oh

1434
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm here. Yes, it was just unbelievable. And

1435
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: the guy who wanted to sang um wondering from the

1436
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: bridges of Madison County. It was tromendous. It was it

1437
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: was so so so good and like just watching that

1438
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: whole show was so amazing. That whole program was I

1439
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: just bad like when I was a teen? Or is

1440
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: there something Has there been a shift? And like as

1441
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: like the Internet somehow like made kids better, Like it's

1442
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: just crazy kids and I'm like, what the But they're

1443
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,759
Speaker 1: all more talented than I am. It's from the culture

1444
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: number forty five. I just watched these kids and I go,

1445
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 1: what the but I think it but it's truly the

1446
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: g Talentino thing of like your sense of skill gets

1447
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: so distorted and I don't know, I'm not connecting the

1448
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: right doughts. But these kids probably have always existed and

1449
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: now I and no, it's that it's that they they

1450
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 1: see so much. They can consume so much of the

1451
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: top tier musical theory like mimic and exactly, and they

1452
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 1: know what heard, what hurdle to reach, or what their faults.

1453
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: They're fake, They're they're all fake. They're all fake, and

1454
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: the are fake. They're forty year olds in makeup and

1455
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: and we're shutting the doors behind us. And it's actually

1456
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: really a problematique that they're even up there saying that

1457
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: they're six teams because they handle on the material. Yeah,

1458
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: they're saying, Folly's honey, you haven't lived it like I have.

1459
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: I will say it is. It was so fucking funny

1460
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: to go to go there and watch to count them

1461
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: two girls perform as the drowsy chaperone giving you like

1462
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: boozy singing as you as we stumble along, like these

1463
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: two girls like giving each other like google eyes, like

1464
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: we were like seeing the world. It's so funny. And

1465
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: to know that their sophomores in high school, it's so gorgeous. Yeah,

1466
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: but I had to ask about what that must have

1467
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: been like, because that had to be like performing a

1468
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: rock concert. Yeah, and so scary. It's but bended this

1469
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: magic trick where he somehow was able to like sing

1470
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: flawlessly through the night, like while doing something that I mean,

1471
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: he's being asked to be very emotional, Like that's what

1472
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: this especially now, like people come expecting to watch someone

1473
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: cry for two and a half hours. So now it's

1474
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: like you come and they're like, and this is where

1475
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: you cry. Um, But also like you can't help but

1476
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: have an emotional response to some of the material. But

1477
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: he would be like, I mean like a wet, wet

1478
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: face and singing gorgeously, but when I cry, I'm the

1479
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: sort of crier where like I can't make sounds anymore,

1480
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: Like everything gets so tight. And so I was up

1481
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: there trying to sing these songs that are so high,

1482
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: just like oh and every nightmare, every night, every single night.

1483
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: I packed in every single song. But I'm just like

1484
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: the thing is though, It's like, so there's this pressure

1485
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: or not pressure, but direction to kind of honor what

1486
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: the person did. Uh. You know who I was talking

1487
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 1: with this about Guest. I was asking her about like

1488
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: what it is to take over for someone that does

1489
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:10,759
Speaker 1: like an iconic um first uh uh you know performance

1490
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: of something as Adena did, and she was talking about

1491
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 1: how there were little idiosyncrasies and like you know the

1492
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 1: way that Adina does things and they want that honored.

1493
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: But for something like, uh, such a demanding role. It's

1494
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: like what did they kind of tell you, like make

1495
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: this your own, make it work for you, or was

1496
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: it like this is kind of the way Ben did

1497
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: it and it's iconic and we want to see it

1498
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: this way. They were super generous in terms of like

1499
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: letting me I also like didn't really get to see

1500
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: the show because of being on the Fater schedule. I

1501
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: didn't get to see it really before doing it, and

1502
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: so I did. They were like so kind and generous

1503
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: in allowing me to like create something new, and the

1504
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: cast was to like doing it with the cast who

1505
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: was used to doing with Ben. They were like so

1506
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: open to doing it, like doing a new show essentially.

1507
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: But then like coming as we like neared performances, there

1508
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: were things where he was like just you know, this

1509
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: gets a laugh or like this, like things that he's like,

1510
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: this is successful every time, and like take it or

1511
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: leave it, but that is like something that we know works. Um,

1512
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: So there are things like that. And also like for

1513
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: that show, it was so specifically crafted around Ben, like

1514
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: it was made to like highlight all of the things

1515
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: he can do. So even if you do sort of

1516
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 1: try to create your own thing, you're inevitably like a

1517
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: little bit doing And I just say, like, what a

1518
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: mind funk for someone to be like, Okay, well here's

1519
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: all this stuff that works for me, and do your

1520
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: own thing and like and you figure out what works

1521
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: through So that's funny. I guess it's crazy, Like we're

1522
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: just not crazy, but just like in terms of scale,

1523
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: it's just like figuring out the permutations of like Okay,

1524
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: I'll do this this on this night, but not this

1525
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: and like just wow, what a crazy? Like advocates of

1526
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: like whoa whoa, whoa whoa. Yes, it's just when you

1527
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 1: see those like iconic roles and like you see like

1528
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: I saw what had to have been the nineteen replacement

1529
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: cast of Kid, but I did see who I believe

1530
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: is a is a superstar, which was Anneallye Ashford, and

1531
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: so it was like just interesting to see her do

1532
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: her and she is so great at being her and

1533
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: she is an iconic presence but also honoring what what

1534
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: Chinna with did and like that walk is so interesting

1535
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: to me, Like it's not just like go up there

1536
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: and like give that performance. It's go up there. And honestly,

1537
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: when it's something like Wicked, I think there might be

1538
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: like a sort of not pressure, but responsibility to give

1539
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: people what they right, because you can do your thing

1540
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: but within the framework of like what the director has

1541
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: decided the show looks, like what the shape of it is,

1542
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: with the tone of it is like within that you

1543
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: can play, but you can't like fully come in with

1544
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: your own energy, right, but in an accent y. I tried,

1545
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 1: imagine you can't with a limp and a Scottish I

1546
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: think I would casts on all four limbs. What if

1547
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: the cast was full body, my my dear Evan Hanson

1548
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: leg what's your dear Evan Hanson? That's like a campaign

1549
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: for what's your dear neck brace? If I ever want

1550
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: to cry, I do listen to the Forever, Oh my God,

1551
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: and the Reprieve. I think I think I've done that too.

1552
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: I think for Forever. There was a day where I

1553
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: was like, really rot and I just it just came

1554
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: on and I just kept playing it and it worked

1555
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: every time. I was like, oh wow, this is like

1556
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: this is a trigger great for me. That's Normandy motivation

1557
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: tears just about the basketball. Thinking about Joel Kim Booster

1558
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: is amazing directions, pioneering, and also I think I got

1559
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: lost in sort of the shuffle. But he also did

1560
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: direct choreograph the entire live Vietna of course, and you know,

1561
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: anyone who wants to step forward and say they are

1562
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: the director, it's crazy and it's a ranger. You would

1563
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: take that from from a queer artist. It's really crazy

1564
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: to be white adjacent that that would give you permission

1565
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: to then sort of stump all over them. Joel can

1566
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: Booster is the queer artist that directed Normany, and you

1567
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: can use that as the poll quote. Yeah, I think maybe,

1568
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: how do Wait? What was this? Joel texted us and

1569
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: he was like, they're forcing Normany to address the fact

1570
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: that I'm falsely claiming that I directed the motivation video

1571
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: because the promoting he's promoting. He's promoting this NBC show

1572
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: and she was also on some NBC like she's doing

1573
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: the voice, she's doing y she's Kelly's which when I

1574
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: saw them in that picture together, I was like, motivation wow,

1575
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: um wait, oh wait, one more thing. Okay, Sailor Moon

1576
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: is Sailor Wan is like your north Star interview every morning.

1577
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: Other other other peripheral things worth the anime or no, yeah,

1578
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: like Pokemon, Dragon Ball, c um, okay, great, blind Spot,

1579
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: don't know it. I think you'd like. And Don Chow

1580
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,759
Speaker 1: is in like the live action remake. Oh yeah, they're

1581
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: making they're making. I just got like, when you think

1582
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 1: someone's hot chills and not a damn wrinkle on his face,

1583
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 1: I would break let him be motivation turning around. Okay,

1584
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: bit innovation. I think it's time. I think it's this

1585
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: will be I don't think so. You didn't I literally forgot.

1586
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: Well it's fine, you'll think of something attack. So this

1587
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: is I don't think so, honey. This is, of course

1588
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: hb a HP, says Andrew. Um. This is arts in

1589
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: one minute to rant against something in pop culture that

1590
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: we are feeling less than satisfactory about. And I'm actually

1591
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: going to call it back to the beginning of our conversation. Okay, okay,

1592
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: so you want to start, yes, since Matt Rodgers just callback,

1593
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, his time starts now. I

1594
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Sean men, that's attackers the sixties. Honey,

1595
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: we would just think of him as a talented singer.

1596
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: You are are falling victim and falling prey to the

1597
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: social media landscape, and they're telling you to attack, attack, attack.

1598
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: Why can't he just be a talented, hot singer with

1599
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: a great body, face and head of hair. Please let

1600
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: him just be. I feel like if he wants to

1601
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: get together with Camilla Cabello and kissing the ocean, it's fine.

1602
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: I see bone Yang and Sunny Green do it all

1603
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: the time. Does it upset me? Yes, But I feel

1604
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: like if they're having fun in the water, let them

1605
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: just be two individuals who have fun in the water.

1606
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: If they kiss weird, it's first of all, it's not

1607
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: as weird as watching Bone Yang and Sunny Green kiss.

1608
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: And also, if that's what they want to do, that's

1609
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 1: what they want to do. Also, Shawn Mendez, we support

1610
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: we love. I actually am a fan of the video

1611
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: with Camilla and your kissing. I thought I had humor

1612
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: and listen, if you're out here attacking Sewn Mendez, I

1613
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: actually don't think so, honey. But he actually is one

1614
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: of the more talented ones. He's really fucking good. And

1615
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: it's like, you don't want this person to go cucko bananas,

1616
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: So why are you contributing to that? Is it gonna

1617
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: make you feel better? It's like, yeah, we can talk

1618
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: about him, be have light hard. Did I go over

1619
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: one minute? You're yeah, yeah, you're still going over. Oh

1620
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. Do you think they kissing

1621
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: the water because of the refractive properties, like then that

1622
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: makes them look bigger. My thing is like, I don't

1623
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: think there's anything like nefarious about what they're doing, Like

1624
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they're like scheming like

1625
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: let's create a fake relationship. I think we're creating that.

1626
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 1: I think it's fine if people want to be close,

1627
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: like and also it's like they're clearly at least friends,

1628
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: clearly at least friends, they get along. And also maybe

1629
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:35,560
Speaker 1: it's them clearing a heterosexual relationship by whatever. I'm not

1630
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, who fucking knows what it is. But

1631
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: it's just it's I don't know, And maybe I'm being

1632
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: a little hypocritical here because we talk about celebrities all

1633
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: the time and we have fun talking about them. But

1634
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: it's like this feels like it's bordering now on a

1635
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: little bit of like a cruelty that we're not talking about,

1636
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: which is like if he is closeted, like that's sad,

1637
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: and if he's not, it's also sad because you're attacking him.

1638
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: So like overall, to me, it's like a weird It's

1639
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: like it's like it feels like abusive and ugly right

1640
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: now where it's and I get that, like, you know,

1641
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 1: there's gonna be factions people that are like, don't feel

1642
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: bad for him. He's white and gorgeous and talented and rich.

1643
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't think that's necessarily a reason

1644
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: to or just not a justifier for like trying to

1645
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: destroy someone on Twitter. Because one thing I liked that

1646
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift said was like in her explanation of the

1647
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: cancel culture, it's like she boiled it down to saying, like,

1648
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, what you are actually saying, if this person

1649
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: should kill themselves, like cancel them, cancel them, cancel them,

1650
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: ruin their life. If you really wanted to walk it

1651
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 1: all the way down the line, what you're saying is

1652
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. And it's so easy to say that

1653
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 1: from the back behind a computer, but it's like it's rough,

1654
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I I have like a reaction

1655
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: to it because it's like maybe because it is about

1656
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: like uh inferred like closetedness, and I'm like, well, and

1657
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 1: people and it reminds me of when people really really

1658
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,839
Speaker 1: really really crazy cruel to Caitlyn Jenner before she revealed

1659
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: her thing. And I remember I think Dave said, like, um,

1660
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: he tweeted like I don't know, you guys, like if

1661
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: if at the time, if Bruce Jenner is actually trans

1662
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,560
Speaker 1: like this is really messed up, and I hope that

1663
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: we wouldn't make jokes about it if it actually is

1664
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: the case. And it's like then when when she revealed

1665
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: she was Caitlin, it was just like there was this

1666
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: ground swell, but it was like, did there need to

1667
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: be this like big important moment for you to accept

1668
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: this person? Because it feels like you did need that,

1669
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 1: and that's sad. We're not We're just not compassionate. I

1670
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: feel like there's this attitude also where people think by

1671
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: by like goating at out of him, they think they're

1672
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: helping him, liked be happier if you're just honest. But

1673
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: it's like a weird selfish thing to try to be

1674
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: like I know this about you, I know this thing

1675
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: about you, and like did you experience that ever being closeted? Um,

1676
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: I mean no, not that as I mean I definitely

1677
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: was closeted in high school. I came out in the

1678
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: junior year, but no, I never felt like anyone forced

1679
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: me to. I feel like I actually had a group

1680
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: of girls who were like thought they were protecting me,

1681
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 1: like they were things like there was this thing in

1682
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: a middle school or high school where someone was like

1683
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: look at your nails and if you looked at them

1684
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: like if you like, and I did a flex hand

1685
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 1: and they were like, But it can also mean it

1686
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: either means gay, or it can also just mean like

1687
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: cultured or it was like often had those girls like

1688
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: that's the way, yeah, well, hanging down the closet door.

1689
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't see any scenario where it's helpful. Yeah, it's

1690
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: the thing of like, um, it's like perceived weakness, I think,

1691
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 1: and it's like it's just like you don't know what's

1692
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: actually going on, right It makes me a little uncomfortable.

1693
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 1: And which way I did my I don't think so

1694
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: honey about it. Right now, I'm going to pass the

1695
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: torch over um the famous Bowen Well now perform because

1696
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, live for you right now

1697
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: and as time starts now, I don't think so honey.

1698
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 1: Book jacket covers on hardcover books. It always slips out

1699
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: of my damn hands when I'm trying to read. And

1700
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: then what am I supposed to do? Take it off

1701
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: and then let it lay limp on a surface, no

1702
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: hone collection. It collects dust and it sits looks sad

1703
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 1: and structurally unsound. I wanted it belongs on the book.

1704
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 1: But then I'm what I'm sitting on the subway reading

1705
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: a hardcover that's just yellow and people have to read

1706
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: this spine to find out what I'm reading. And no, sir,

1707
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 1: and I don't think so, honey, second books in general,

1708
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: mr books. I love reading on my damn phone and

1709
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: everyone saying, no, this is this is what I mean

1710
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 1: to say. People who are stigmatizing kindles are like, oh,

1711
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: are you reading on a candle? You only read books

1712
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 1: that you don't want people to know you're reading on

1713
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 1: a kindle. No, I'm reading on a kindle because sometimes

1714
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: it's just more convenient. This is what I've been doing lately.

1715
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: And I've been wealth shamed and by a kindle edition

1716
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: and and a hardcover edition of a book because I

1717
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: wanted just it depends on the damn mood when I

1718
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: want to read a page or a kindle or we're

1719
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 1: going to stop. Actually on, I've been wealth shamed. I

1720
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 1: stand with you that people have also of like, I

1721
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: just love like the feel the smell of a book

1722
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: over yourself. It's the century than up. And thank you

1723
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: for not wealth shaming me, of course, um yes, and

1724
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: those words were said on this very podcast by me

1725
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: um oh no, no, just just saying, um, I've been

1726
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: wealth shamed and I'm white. I think we were saying

1727
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: you had been well shamed on this podcast and I

1728
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, what I'm and I have Okay, constantly,

1729
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: I constantly wealth shamed. But wow, and from a TV writer,

1730
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 1: from a TV right, you'd be shocked to find out

1731
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: the amount of dollars. But when it's dropping on an

1732
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: upcoming vacation, that have to if you can cut that

1733
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: you have on trips, I do reward yourself. I did

1734
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: have no time. I had no time off this summer.

1735
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm going have to go on vacation. You have to

1736
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 1: What do you like to go? Yeah? What do you

1737
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: like to go? Sorry, I'm truly my heart is pounding

1738
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 1: about I don't think so, honey, Okay, where would I

1739
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 1: like to go? Japan? Obviously? Okay, this bitch wants to

1740
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: go to Disney World. I would go to You know,

1741
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: I've really since listening to the pot and I've been

1742
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: a long time listener. I used to have I used

1743
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: to hold an archaic, destructive attitude, like a thought that

1744
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: adults who love Disney were like sick and arranged. It

1745
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,640
Speaker 1: is a very destructive thought. But I realized, actually, for me,

1746
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: it's only if the events in your wedding take place

1747
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: at Disney Thank you next, like it's fun to go.

1748
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: I've gone so many times, it's fun. I would love

1749
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,560
Speaker 1: to go to Disney World. Just go to Europe for

1750
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: your honeymoon. Go somewhere else. You shouldn't go to Disney

1751
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: Weld for your honeymoon, but also do whatever the fun

1752
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 1: you want. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not

1753
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna vacation shame anyone, which is also a form of

1754
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 1: well shreaming his tailor trenches. I don't think so, honey. Okay, okay,

1755
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 1: I think I have it, And as time starts now,

1756
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Owls. I feel like this

1757
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 1: culture we have been led to believe that owls are

1758
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: the symbol of like wisdom, Like the owl in Winnie

1759
01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: the Pooh was dumb, the owl in Harry Hotter boring

1760
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: and a mailman didn't have any lines in the movie.

1761
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 1: And then the owl in um the like TUTSI Pop

1762
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: commercial was rude as hell, boring and dumbs. What is

1763
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: true about owls is like they have not one, not two,

1764
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 1: but three different sets of eyelids, like turn their heads

1765
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: all the way around. They're bitch silent as they fly.

1766
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: In fact, one time in high school, I was driving

1767
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: home from a like either a rehearsal or or a

1768
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: performance of a theater of a theater production, and an

1769
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: owl out of nowhere because remember silent flight landed on

1770
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 1: the hood of my card. He had a face all

1771
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 1: your Nicolas case. I don't think you're honey Nicholas. A

1772
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 1: wonderful damn bird bird. I love that one. Oh my god,

1773
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: I can't leave that damn bird lands on your goddamn

1774
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: car a little bit. What a little bit O break

1775
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 1: the funk out. If you like owls, get out, get

1776
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 1: out my apology. If you love alas so stive pillow

1777
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: for your velvet ass set, This is Chelsea Ryan Rodgers Raiser.

1778
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 1: My sister loves ship and she's a fan of the pod.

1779
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: No go work for Drake. He's got owls on his

1780
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:20,679
Speaker 1: fucking stuff. Try to court Milie Bobby Round. I actually

1781
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: have to say I love owls. Turn their heads around

1782
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 1: like this. They have giant heads and it's not like

1783
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: they're like whoop over the shoulder. It's like, yeah, maybe

1784
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: I hate them. Also they probably are so sick with disease, dirty, dirty, yes.

1785
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: And I'm being ornithology normative here, but I feel like

1786
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 1: a bird, but like a bird should look like a

1787
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: big big small eyes, owls, huge eyes, small beaks, fucked up.

1788
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 1: Fucked up is bad. No, this is a raiser. This

1789
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 1: is all raiser. This is this is small, big, big.

1790
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 1: But also it's almost as stupid. It's almost as stupid

1791
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 1: as Jill Kim Booster saying whales are too big and

1792
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 1: some dogs are too small, because famously, whales are not

1793
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: as big as we think. The train is the biggest

1794
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 1: thing in the world. There's nothing bigger than the trade.

1795
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:22,679
Speaker 1: Jul Kim Booster Jilkim No, sir, no, sir, Oh my god,

1796
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 1: I can't wait to say that to his fucking face.

1797
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Stupid face, stupid face. I think this is this is

1798
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: this is a very good episode. This is a great epic.

1799
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: I say something. I'm sad. I feel like I made

1800
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 1: a new friend. And honestly, you can come back anytime

1801
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 1: you want, anytime you freaking want. What do you want

1802
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 1: to say to everyone? Because now that you don't have Twitter,

1803
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: I guess. Oh my god, I wish I had something

1804
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: of note to say. Vote. Everyone should vote unless you

1805
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: don't believe in human rights, and then please don't and

1806
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: then you it stay far away from the polls. You

1807
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: can't play home that day. Um. I'm so thrilled to

1808
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: be here. I've truly been fans of yours for so

1809
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 1: long and I'm so excited. The only shows I watched

1810
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 1: regularly are the shows that you're contributing to a writer

1811
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: Sanda's actors. Can't you are? You are kind of personified? Also,

1812
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: we did try to get you on on the pod,

1813
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 1: but way back days publicist said he will not be

1814
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 1: doing that. We also weren't. We literally weren't allowed to

1815
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: do press during They wanted it to be like this

1816
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 1: little secret so you had you were like going in

1817
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: there and he will not be doing this, and if

1818
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 1: you try to reach out to him, I'll kill you.

1819
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: I am the publicist. I want to write a movie

1820
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 1: called the public Publists or it stars me, and I

1821
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: just tell everyone that I'm reading for myself. Is me

1822
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 1: as the publicist here? Asked me a question about one

1823
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: of my clients. Um, we want to ask Hillary about

1824
01:39:55,360 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: the neighbor she will not. That's the settle gay work

1825
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 1: that we've been looking for. Also, Hillary Duff, Hillary Clinton, Hillary,

1826
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 1: which are you thinking of? Swank? Even swank? No, this

1827
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: was this was when Matt I were interring Vulture and

1828
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: we were entering the younger cast and Hillary Hillary Duff's

1829
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 1: publicist ran up to us and said, do not ask

1830
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: her about the neighbor she's been instagram story. And I

1831
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,679
Speaker 1: was like, I can't tell you how much I don't

1832
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,560
Speaker 1: understand what we were, just like we don't given to

1833
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,799
Speaker 1: ask her about like if she still talks to Lane,

1834
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 1: that's okay. Wait, I actually have to tell a story

1835
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: about when I was from the ages of twelve to fourteen,

1836
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: I lived in Los Angeles by myself. My parents sent

1837
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: me there and I lived there because I wanted to

1838
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: be an actor. And I went to a club called

1839
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: Club one seven, which was a club for young actors,

1840
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 1: and the cast of Seventh Heaven did frequent the club,

1841
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 1: and one night at Miss Beverly Mitchell herself with a

1842
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: blunt bang. I don't even know if I call it blunt,

1843
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 1: I call it speed um Lelane came one night and

1844
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: I overheard her say to a group of people I

1845
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:09,720
Speaker 1: wasn't born. I just am Helle thing. Although we have

1846
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: to respect Lolane for the culture. That was the episode

1847
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 1: where she wasn't eating and we had to film the

1848
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: music video and she was two weak and oh my

1849
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 1: god and basically um. Then at the end she sings

1850
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 1: reflection by mulan Lea Salonga Christina Aguilera. Why it was

1851
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: very that very good. Okay, Well, before we get spin

1852
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 1: off a other podcast about Laine, we do have to end,

1853
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: and we do end every episode this song out there

1854
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: there's a world outside of Yonkers, out there, down there.

1855
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: That's the light down. Wow, I don't know that dollar.

1856
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 1: Oh youthing close? That's okay by This has been a

1857
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:13,599
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1858
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:18,400
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