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Speaker 3: The man touch down detroit lyonk Jamier Kids.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the twenty in the Huddle podcast. It is

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Speaker 4: the divisional round of the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: You all know the guy. He's sitting next to me.

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Speaker 4: Fox two sports director, the voice of the Detroit Lines

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Speaker 4: and Dan. Now, I'm what are you conflicted at all?

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Speaker 4: You are born and raised in Washington. You had season

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Speaker 4: Washington for sixteen years for radio and television. You are

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Speaker 4: nine post game yeah, Washington. Now you have been in

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Speaker 4: Detroit a long time. Now, is there any conflict at

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Speaker 4: all this week? Any looking back to your childhood memories

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, I have great memories of those teams,

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Speaker 1: And that's I think that's part of what fed my

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Speaker 1: I got to play by play job when I worked here,

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Speaker 1: and you want to see this group do well. So

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Speaker 1: there's no conflict for me whatsoever. Look, I want to

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. I'm happy to see their success

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Speaker 1: I know they've been through some miserable times with that franchise,

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Speaker 2: It's all blue.

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Speaker 4: The newness of this matchup I think is fun too,

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Speaker 1: I think that this the newness of this, the challenge

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Speaker 4: Let's get into Saturday's matchup. First off, I think the

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Speaker 4: Two and one Lions against kind of mobile quarterbacks, I

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Speaker 4: Slip over the other side of the football and offense

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Speaker 1: And look, we can't.

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Speaker 4: Understate the dub that Jamir Gibbs did kind of running

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Speaker 1: We've seen the power that David brings look Jamiir brings

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Speaker 5: Go from there.

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Speaker 4: This quote from Dan Campbell this week, number five is

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Speaker 4: To me, he's a bell, he's somebody that's a tone setter,

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Speaker 1: And I know he trusts Ben Johnson to figure it

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Speaker 4: No, it's a great point by you because they've had

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Speaker 4: And we've seen that all year long. Next man up

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Speaker 4: have We've seen that time after time, and the players

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Speaker 4: Some of your best calls over the last few weeks

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Speaker 4: It really changes the way you have to play defense,

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Speaker 4: It should be a fun one Saturday night in Detroit,

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Speaker 2: Isn't it.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna do a great job Saturday night. I'll be there,

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Speaker 1: Can't wait looking forward to it. And Ford Field is

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the podcast.

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Speaker 4: A guy nice to heed, no introduction whatsoever. He is

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Speaker 4: the All Pro, the Pro Bowl, the best right tackle

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Speaker 4: in football, Pennae Sool, thanks for joining me. Appreciate it,

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Speaker 4: appreciate you having me again the bye week, just you know,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a little little breathe there, I guess, and

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Speaker 4: How much fun did you have over the weekend, not

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, the first two days I just gave it

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Speaker 2: Little bit nice.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations on the All Pro and the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: More to you now?

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Speaker 7: It was definitely cool for me to find out the

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Speaker 4: British Columbia University. Giovanni Manu. I'm curious what you what

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Speaker 4: you've how have you seen him throughout the year.

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Speaker 7: Just mentally, you know, I think the mental aspect of

443
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Speaker 7: the game was the most important part from because physically,

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Speaker 7: that man's gifted in every way. In my opinion, he's able.

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Speaker 7: I think he's probably a better runner than I am,

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Speaker 7: to be honest. Yeah, he can move. For a big

447
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Speaker 7: guy like that, he can move laterally and.

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Speaker 2: Forward, So.

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Speaker 7: Those physical traits he'll be fine. So it's just really

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Speaker 7: seeing him grow from learning the playbook to now learning

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Speaker 7: the defenses and what they're wanting to do, body language

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Speaker 7: and demeanors when he's out there. So just a mental game.

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Speaker 4: I want to finish with this one twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Obviously three thirteen and one. You know, your rookie year

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Speaker 4: a tough thing. You know, the next year you just

456
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Speaker 4: miss the playoffs, the disappointment of last year losing the

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Speaker 4: NFC Championship game. How those three years kind of molded

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Speaker 4: this core in this team to kind of be ready

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Speaker 4: for the moment that you guys are at right now,

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Speaker 4: the number one seed, one of the favorites in the

461
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Speaker 4: NFC to go to the Super Bowl. How is that

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Speaker 4: kind of three years led you to this point.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's a number of things, but

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Speaker 7: just kind of going through those emotions of how hard

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Speaker 7: it is to win in this league, you know, and

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Speaker 7: then coach Campbell and Brad Holmes bringing in the guys

467
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Speaker 7: that fit our culture and fit our style. It has

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Speaker 7: been important. So I think those two things played a

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Speaker 7: huge factor into where we're at today.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, well congratulations on the Pro Bowl, on the

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Speaker 4: All Pro They're going to continue to come the best

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Speaker 4: right tackle in football. Go get it done on Saturday,

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Speaker 4: and let's get another one for the NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, appreciate you. Welcome back to the Town in

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Speaker 2: the Huddle podcast.

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Speaker 4: I am very happy to welcome with John Kime does

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Speaker 4: a great job covering everything Commanders for ESPAN. You can

478
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Speaker 4: also catch his podcast then Time Report. John, thanks so

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Speaker 4: much for joining me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: My pleasure.

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Speaker 6: It's fun to be talking in the NFL playoff football

482
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Speaker 6: between the Lines and the Commanders, two organizations.

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Speaker 5: You wouldn't have thought about this a few years ago,

484
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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 4: And for the Commanders in particular to have four wins

486
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Speaker 4: last year to be the number two pick, I mean,

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Speaker 4: what a turnaround for this organization, The job dan Quinn

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Speaker 4: has done, and obviously Daniels, how maybe unexpected is this

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Speaker 4: run from your perspective, haven't been around him for so long.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I would say beginning of the season

491
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Speaker 6: vary as the season got going, not at all, because

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Speaker 6: you started to see just how unique Jayden Daniels is

493
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Speaker 6: as a quarterback, as a rookie quarterback, So you started

494
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Speaker 6: to see like they were capable of doing things like

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Speaker 6: this offense is good, and I think, you know, I'm

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Speaker 6: going to go back to like Dan Quinn because I

497
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Speaker 6: think Dan Campbell and Quinn have done two great things

498
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Speaker 6: for their organizations, which is setting the tone for the

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Speaker 6: organization and creating an atmosphere and a cult sure that

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Speaker 6: players can thrive it. And so I think when you

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Speaker 6: started to see that aspect early and then when you

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Speaker 6: start to see how good Jayden Daniels was, I'm not

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Speaker 6: surprised that they're in this point now. I think if

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Speaker 6: they get beyond this point, I'd be very surprised because

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Speaker 6: of how good Detroit is. But to get to this point,

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Speaker 6: like to beat Tampa Bay in the first round, you know,

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Speaker 6: not a big shock at all.

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Speaker 4: Talking about Jaydon Daniels, Dan Campbell was asked about him

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Speaker 4: yesterday and he said, watching him, he doesn't look like

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Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback. And I think that's been the whole deal,

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Speaker 4: just what John has made him so good all year long,

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Speaker 4: just the poise, everything else, I mean heat, that's probably

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Speaker 4: one of the greatest rookie performances we've ever seen in

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Speaker 4: this league.

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Speaker 2: And that's saying something for sure.

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Speaker 5: And so I think you hit on one word, poise

517
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Speaker 5: in the pocket. You see that.

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Speaker 6: You see the way he keeps his emotions in check

519
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Speaker 6: to an unbelievable level, to the point where they kicked

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Speaker 6: the game winning field goal the other day against Tampa.

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Speaker 6: They have the camera on him on the bench. He's

522
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Speaker 6: just kind of sitting there watches it go through, stands up.

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Speaker 6: There's very little reaction immediately, like it's just he is

524
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Speaker 6: so locked in the moment. So that's one thing. But

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Speaker 6: I'm going to go back like his talent can everybody

526
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Speaker 6: can see the talent. You could see the talent before

527
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Speaker 6: the draft. He can run, he can throw, he has

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Speaker 6: you know he's that. But it's to me, it's the

529
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Speaker 6: work ethic that got him to this point. So for example,

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Speaker 6: in the spring, he's showing up at five point thirty

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Speaker 6: five forty five in the spring to just work on

532
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Speaker 6: you know, going over formations, watching film over over plays,

533
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Speaker 6: and so when he would come in to the practices,

534
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Speaker 6: they would talk about how far ahead he is with

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Speaker 6: this offense because of the work he puts in behind

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Speaker 6: the scenes.

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Speaker 5: He still does that.

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Speaker 6: He shows up around five five thirty every day, first in,

539
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Speaker 6: last out kind of thing. But he and Cliff Offense,

540
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Speaker 6: accordinated to Cliff Kingsbury, are going through walkthroughs three days

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Speaker 6: a week at like six am every day. And like

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Speaker 6: they'll say, we give him the playbook on Tuesday night

543
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Speaker 6: and by Wednesday morning, he's got it down. And so, like,

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Speaker 6: I think it's that rare ability to study and process

545
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Speaker 6: it and retain it the way he does. That helps

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Speaker 6: him stay poised and play a little bit faster in

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Speaker 6: the pocket.

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Speaker 2: It should be a fun matchup with him.

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Speaker 4: I know the Lions are certainly aware of what he

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Speaker 4: can do both in the pocket outside of the pocket,

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Speaker 4: and that'll be a great matchup between Aaron Glenn the

552
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Speaker 4: defensive coordinator and and and him trying to disguise some coverages,

553
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Speaker 4: give him some things he hasn't seen.

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Speaker 2: But boy, that that that kid looks really really good.

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Speaker 4: Injuries obviously, you know, a factor Lions are gonna get

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Speaker 4: David Montgomery back this week.

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Speaker 2: They didn't play last week.

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Speaker 4: Where what's the injury situation with Washington coming out of

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Speaker 4: the wild carding hang into Saturday.

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Speaker 5: They're in good shape, yea.

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Speaker 6: The only they're they're the only guy that's been ruled

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Speaker 6: out is a backup linebackers, a good special teamer and

563
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Speaker 6: Jordan McGee. But you know, they got Marshaun Lattimore back

564
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Speaker 6: last week. Now he still looks rusty, but they got

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Speaker 6: him back. You know, John Allen came back recently, Austin

566
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Speaker 6: Eckler came back a couple of weeks ago. Those guys

567
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Speaker 6: have been out for a little while, so they're actually

568
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Speaker 6: at a good point with their health.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's some you know, you know how it

570
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Speaker 5: is like this time of the year.

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Speaker 6: A lot of guys are gonna be dealing with a

572
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Speaker 6: lot of little things but over but for the most part,

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Speaker 6: they're in a really good spot.

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Speaker 4: You know, you talked off you talked about it off

575
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Speaker 4: the top about the culture that that Dan Quinn has

576
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Speaker 4: built there. Just maybe talk about that just a little

577
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Speaker 4: bit more and just why these players have have bought

578
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Speaker 4: in so much to to to what he's bringing. You

579
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Speaker 4: compared him to Dan Campbell, and I think that's a

580
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Speaker 4: great comparison because Dan talked about his history with with

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Speaker 4: with Dan Quinn too, and how much he you know, values,

582
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Speaker 4: you know, that part of the job and the culture

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Speaker 4: that he's built there just what has made him so

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Speaker 4: successful there in Washington and be able to turn this

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Speaker 4: thing around so quickly.

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Speaker 5: So there's a couple of things.

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Speaker 6: One, I think it's just like you know, watching Campbell

588
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Speaker 6: from Afar, you saw how he set the tone for

589
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Speaker 6: the building and just the mindset that you create and

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Speaker 6: the consistent messaging that you deliver, and I think Quinn

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Speaker 6: does a lot of that. Now they're different in how

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Speaker 6: they go about it, like you know, they they're not

593
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Speaker 6: going to say the same things, but I think the

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Speaker 6: intentionality is very similar and I think that's a big part.

595
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Speaker 6: But the messaging is consistent from both aspects, and so

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Speaker 6: you see. And then Quinn also brings a ton of energy. Now,

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Speaker 6: anytime there's change, and you know this, like anytime there's

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Speaker 6: change with the coaching staff, there's always that oh, well

599
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Speaker 6: it's going to be different because of this, and there's

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Speaker 6: more energy because it's new. But there was I've been

601
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Speaker 6: around a lot of coaching changes. I had not seen

602
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Speaker 6: the energy like this. Even in the spring, you could

603
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Speaker 6: just feel it was different, and like you didn't know

604
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Speaker 6: how it would translate to the field and success, but

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Speaker 6: you knew it was different. And some of it they have,

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Speaker 6: like I think it's thirteen or fourteen X players on

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Speaker 6: their coaching staff.

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Speaker 5: That helps.

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Speaker 6: But Quinn I think sets the tone with his energy.

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Speaker 6: I mean he is upbeat, positive, and like even after

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Speaker 6: the first game, Tim, they lost to the Bucks in

612
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Speaker 6: the first game thirty seven to twenty, it was there

613
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Speaker 6: was no there's no panic. It was all about this

614
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Speaker 6: is what we need to learn.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: They beat the Giants next week, like, yeah, you know

617
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Speaker 6: his comment was like yeah, we beat them, but we

618
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Speaker 6: have to do better here. It's always about what can

619
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Speaker 6: you do to get better? What do you learn to

620
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Speaker 6: get better? And if you process it that way, I

621
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Speaker 6: think it helps. And then I say all that and

622
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Speaker 6: then because number five jayde Daniels is really good, that

623
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Speaker 6: helps too. But all the other stuff is mad and

624
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Speaker 6: I also think Tim. The last thing is they changed

625
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Speaker 6: the roster over in a huge a fifty five sixty

626
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Speaker 6: percent of the roster was new but I think they

627
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Speaker 6: did a really good job of finding players who fit

628
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Speaker 6: the culture they wanted. Bobby Wagner, Zach Er, It's Austin Ecker,

629
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Speaker 6: guys like that. I think they have made a difference too.

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Speaker 6: So it's all of that, but it starts with I

631
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Speaker 6: think getting the right guys as coach. And they interviewed,

632
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Speaker 6: you know, they Aaron Glenn was on the list, Ben

633
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Speaker 6: Johnson on the list, but I think Quinn was the

634
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Speaker 6: guy that brought the energy that this place in particular needed.

635
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Speaker 4: So many comparisons between Quinn and Campbell. It's going to

636
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Speaker 4: be such a fun matchup just from that regard on Saturday,

637
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Speaker 4: and the newness of this game I.

638
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Speaker 2: Think is interesting too.

639
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Speaker 4: Of all the opponents that the Lions could have faced,

640
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Speaker 4: Washington obviously is the one they haven't faced this year.

641
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Speaker 4: Do you like that about this matchup that they haven't

642
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: faced each other? There's kind of a newness to the

643
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 4: game planned and and there's that aspect of Saturday for sure.

644
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Speaker 6: I think, you know, and I think it'll be fun

645
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Speaker 6: listen as someone who you know, you're in the NFL,

646
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 6: You're you're a fan of football, right, that's why you're

647
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 6: doing this to go watch it. For me to go

648
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 6: watch a playoff game in Ford Field, it's going to

649
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Speaker 6: be a blast because that's the energy you want in

650
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Speaker 6: a building, Like I'm looking forward to that.

651
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Speaker 5: And I think for these.

652
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Speaker 6: Guys, like I think the newness of it comes in,

653
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Speaker 6: you know, when you're studying the opponent and what they do,

654
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Speaker 6: et cetera. But it's also there is the unknown, like

655
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Speaker 6: you know, you know Detroit how good that offense is,

656
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 6: and you know they're going to move the ball and

657
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Speaker 6: score on this team. But then it's like, how does

658
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Speaker 6: Detroit's defense do against this group? We don't know what

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Speaker 6: they're going to do. We knew how Tampa Bay would

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Speaker 6: try to attack them, and so there was clearly some mystery.

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Speaker 6: And also it was also, hey, how much better is

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Speaker 6: Daniels from week one to now?

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Speaker 5: But now it's just all mystery. And so I think

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Speaker 5: there is that element.

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Speaker 6: I hadn't thought about that, but I think that element

666
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Speaker 6: is a fun one to add layers this game. By

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Speaker 6: the way, and Campbell and Quinn, this is no surprise

668
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Speaker 6: they share the same agent.

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Speaker 4: Of course they do because of the newness. Obviously, Lions

670
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Speaker 4: fans aren't very familiar with Washington that roster, maybe who's

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Speaker 4: one or two players who maybe could impact this game

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Speaker 4: that that Lions fans maybe don't know that the Washington's.

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Speaker 2: Could be looking for to have a big game Saturday night.

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Speaker 6: So I mean the obvious one of offense would be

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Speaker 6: Terry McLain at receiver. I mean, he's very, very good

676
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Speaker 6: and he has is it thirteen to fourteen touchdown passes

677
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Speaker 6: now catches this year, the big change in his game.

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Speaker 6: And he's got speed, he can make big plays and

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Speaker 6: Jane Dams will attack down the field, so he's dropped

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Speaker 6: in some dimes them. They they have a chance for

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Speaker 6: connection every game with that. It's just a matter of

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Speaker 6: do you hit it or not. But the other area

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Speaker 6: where he's really improved and what they've improved with him

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Speaker 6: is in the red zone. Eleven touchdowns catches in the

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Speaker 6: red zone, so that's a place to watch for him.

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Speaker 6: That's he had eleven in his first five years combined

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Speaker 6: in the red zone. So that was it was some

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Speaker 6: on him, some on coaching, but now he's a big

689
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Speaker 6: thought there. Zach Ertz veteran, you know, you got people

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Speaker 6: know him. He's been in the league. He's a very

691
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Speaker 6: good security blanket for Daniels. Austin Eckler another guy who

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Speaker 6: in space can hurt you still. And I think on defense,

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Speaker 6: the guys you'd have to look at Frankie Louvu, the linebacker,

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Speaker 6: Bobby Wagner. People know him, but Frankie Louvo maybe you

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Speaker 6: don't know. And he was in Carolina for a few years,

696
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Speaker 6: really good last year and really blossom this year. In

697
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Speaker 6: this defense, they like to move him around a lot.

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Speaker 6: They like to rush him as a passer. The danger

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Speaker 6: for Washington is and I've seen Ben Johnson do this. Man,

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Speaker 6: if you can, if they can get Jamiir Gibbs on

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Speaker 6: him outside, it's a rap for Gibbs. I mean he's

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Speaker 6: gonna you know that, that's an area where Detroit could

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Speaker 6: take advantage. They rush Louver for a reason. He's really

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Speaker 6: good at that. But in coverage that's a weakness. So

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Speaker 6: if they can get him there, but he is a

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Speaker 6: he is an impact player for them.

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Speaker 2: Is that run defense a little bit of a concern.

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Speaker 4: You just look at the numbers, you know, rank thirtieth

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Speaker 4: and Detroit is so good at running the football, and

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Speaker 4: that's what they want to do. That's how everything is

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Speaker 4: built off that is that the big concern for Washington

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Speaker 4: coming in.

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Speaker 6: It's not a little concern, it'd be a big cancer

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Speaker 6: because and also you know how this like Detroit with Gibbs,

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Speaker 6: they do a really good job and I've just been

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Speaker 6: watching it before we start talking of creating gaps and

717
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Speaker 6: lanes for Gibbs. They're really really good at that. So

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Speaker 6: they create hesitation in the linebackers and I think in

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Speaker 6: the front because with all them the eye candy and

720
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Speaker 6: the motion and the action and then maybe sometimes some

721
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Speaker 6: wider splits. So you create really good gaps lanes for him,

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Speaker 6: that's where they're going to have a problem with it,

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Speaker 6: and so they have had issues with it, and sometimes

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Speaker 6: it's the gaps get too wide for them. Last week,

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Speaker 6: I felt like it was one of their better games,

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Speaker 6: more consistently stopping the run against Bucky Irving and Tampa

727
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Speaker 6: because they were more gap sound, more guys staying there

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Speaker 6: and did a good job tackling Irving is a different

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Speaker 6: you know, Gibbs is a different dude than Irving, and

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Speaker 6: he's gonna make guys miss and you know, you watch

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Speaker 6: where his yards before first contact is amazing.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I think.

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Speaker 6: That's gonna be the big thing, and it's gonna be

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Speaker 6: the hard part too, is you know, it's it's if

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Speaker 6: you start focusing too much on him and stopping the run.

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Speaker 6: I think it's hard the way they align, But then

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Speaker 6: it's like, okay, you know Amir Saint Brown, you got

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Speaker 6: Jamis and Williams like they're a laporta. You got other

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Speaker 6: ways to attack. So yeah, that is that is a

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Speaker 6: big threat. They haven't done well against it all year,

741
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Speaker 6: but they do have strong halves against the run, and

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Speaker 6: that's what they're gonna need.

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Speaker 2: Saturday night, John, last one for you again.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking with John conn does a great job with

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Speaker 4: the ESPN covered everything.

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Speaker 2: Commanders.

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Speaker 4: If Washington comes into Detroit, beats them, upsets them, what's

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Speaker 4: gonna be the key? How does how does Washington go

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Speaker 4: on the road and defeat Detroit in your opinion?

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Speaker 2: What what's the biggest key to that game for them

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Speaker 2: to win?

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Speaker 5: Man, that's that's a hard one.

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Speaker 6: So listen, the offense has to be explosive, right, You've

754
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Speaker 6: got to maintain you you can't come in here, you

755
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Speaker 6: cannot make the mistakes. You can't have the holding penalty

756
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Speaker 6: to set you back. You can't you've got to finish

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Speaker 6: with touchdowns. So Detroit's offense puts pressure on other offenses

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Speaker 6: to match pace. And I think you've got to finish

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Speaker 6: in the reds. They've been good on that. You can't

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Speaker 6: have the turnovers, so that's one, and I think defensively,

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Speaker 6: can you create a turnover or two? Can you get

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Speaker 6: enough stops to at least so it's not you know,

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Speaker 6: giving Detroit the ball in the last minute with the

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Speaker 6: chance to win. I think you know. That to me

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Speaker 6: is how you have to go. And this is a

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Speaker 6: really good offense. Obviously for Washington, I think they can

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Speaker 6: match a lot of what Detroit does, but can they

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Speaker 6: do it all a game? And that's gonna be the

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Speaker 6: hard thing to do, but that's how it'll have to

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Speaker 6: be done.

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Speaker 5: I don't see it.

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Speaker 6: I'd be I think it'd be silly for me to

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Speaker 6: think this defense could go in there and slow Detroit

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Speaker 6: a lot. I mean, they did well against Tampa, but

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Speaker 6: some of that was because of what the offense controlling

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Speaker 6: the ball. But in this game, you can't just control

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Speaker 6: the ball. You've got to finish with touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Well, it should be a fun one Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have a great atmosphere because Detroit gets turned

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Speaker 4: off for the playoffs. If it's anything like it was

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Speaker 4: last year, it'll be a great environment. Two teams that

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Speaker 4: don't really know each other. That's gonna be the fun

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Speaker 4: aspect of this game. John, thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: joining me. Appreciated great stuff, and we'll see in the

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Speaker 4: press box on Saturday night.

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Speaker 5: All right, Tim, thanks for having me on

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Speaker 4: H