Speaker 1: I had two workwives in my career, Julian and the Cordy.
Speaker 2: Who's the main Who was the mainstay?
Speaker 3: It was Julian was a primary work. You tell McCurdy
Speaker 3: he the side piece. Okay, he's a side piece.
Speaker 2: Today we have an unbelievably special guest, tend time pro bowler,
Speaker 2: sixteen year veteran, the greatest special teamer of all time,
Speaker 2: Matthew Slater, who we are looking at Super Bowl fifty
Speaker 2: three Patriots burst the rims and.
Speaker 1: This was a special teams battle. Fifteen total punts and
Speaker 1: then the bonus. My guy was the MVP. You What
Speaker 1: made you great was that you were so ultra competitive.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was told, Yeah, a lot of guys probably
Speaker 2: didn't like me, but you respected me. There's no doubt
Speaker 2: after this game, would you start to field in the Steve.
Speaker 1: Was fallowing down with the ship. That was a moo
Speaker 1: where you went down with the ship. I was like
Speaker 1: one of those violin players on the Titanic.
Speaker 2: I was one of the lifeboat workers that had to
Speaker 2: go down with the lifeboat but still live.
Speaker 1: Fully.
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Speaker 2: the Rams versus the Patriots with Matthew Slater the captain.
Speaker 2: We talk all funny, all funny, real funny, locker room stuff,
Speaker 2: roommates stuff, Who hated me the most in the Patriots
Speaker 2: locker room answer?
Speaker 4: It was not the answer I was expected. It does
Speaker 4: make It makes a lot of sense when you think
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: You gotta think about it.
Speaker 2: You gotta think about it, and our thoughts on the
Speaker 2: end of the dynasty and which character Matthew Slater was
Speaker 2: in Titanic the movie when the boat sunk.
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Speaker 6: February third, nineteen, Mercedes Benz Stadium, Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 1: Star study defense, high flying offense, the old guard versus
Speaker 1: the needle.
Speaker 6: But this low scoring affair will come down to special teams.
Speaker 6: This is Super Bowl fifty three.
Speaker 1: First eight.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Welcome to games with names presented by Win Las Vegas
Speaker 2: and Encore Boston Harbor. Today we have an unbelievably special guest.
Speaker 2: Not just a what thirteen time team captain, ten time
Speaker 2: pro bowler, We got a three time Super Bowl champion
Speaker 2: sixteen do we play sixteen s late?
Speaker 1: Sohow fulham for sixteen, sixteen year veteran Probably not probably
Speaker 1: is going to go down as the greatest special teamer
Speaker 1: of all time.
Speaker 2: Matthew Slater and even crazier my my former roommate for
Speaker 2: three years. Matthew, welcome to games with me.
Speaker 1: It's great to be here. Is this is awesome. We
Speaker 1: come a long way from that twenty eight pacing road
Speaker 1: there in Foxborough.
Speaker 2: We've come a long way.
Speaker 1: Long way.
Speaker 2: I've got Jack and Kyler here. Old Jackie's been he's
Speaker 2: been all excited about this, and Kyler has literally been
Speaker 2: practicing his past sets in the kitchen because of your father.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5: I gotta say welcome back to Slate. This is a
Speaker 5: little piece of trivia. Our first ever guest on Games
Speaker 5: with Names an unreleased the unreleased episode.
Speaker 1: I remember that it was our test, our test episode.
Speaker 5: Yes, pilot, the pilot, pilot episode. It was pilot.
Speaker 2: Now we got the real deal.
Speaker 1: I love to see how well the show is doing.
Speaker 1: No surprise, though, no surprise.
Speaker 2: It's coming along, Slate.
Speaker 1: It's doing great.
Speaker 2: It's better.
Speaker 5: Now we got you doing great.
Speaker 1: No, they got you.
Speaker 2: Get here. Today we are looking at Super Bowl fifty
Speaker 2: three Patriots versus the Rams. Why'd you pick this game?
Speaker 1: Slate? Well, two reasons I picked this game. Number One,
Speaker 1: this was a special team's battle fifteen total punts, so
Speaker 1: for someone like me, I really enjoyed it. Secondly, playing
Speaker 1: against the Rams, my childhood team, my dad's team, twenty
Speaker 1: years as a Ram, so this was special for our family.
Speaker 1: And then the bonus third reason, my guy was the MVP. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean you know that was you know I
Speaker 1: was never gonna win a Super Bowl MVP. The next
Speaker 1: closest thing would be you winning it. What a special memory.
Speaker 1: This was a great game. Look forward to talking about it.
Speaker 1: Funny story about that.
Speaker 2: Me and Bill we were going out, we were doing
Speaker 2: some stuff for the MVP coach stuff and he looks
Speaker 2: at me, Shit, I would have gave it to Slate. Literally,
Speaker 2: he literally said, no, Slater was the MVP.
Speaker 1: No, no, my god, would you have ten for one?
Speaker 1: Thirty one?
Speaker 2: I don't know what forty one something like that.
Speaker 1: He knows what it was.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know Slate.
Speaker 5: Anyways, you kept I was ten yards olf.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I just remember, you know, it was
Speaker 1: a struggle for us offensively that game, and you really
Speaker 1: kept us going. You kept us you know, we had
Speaker 1: some momentum, you had some big conversions when we needed it,
Speaker 1: and it felt like every time we needed to play,
Speaker 1: you made the play. And uh, I was just riding
Speaker 1: with you from the bench. Yeah right, man, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, get open, you know. And and that
Speaker 1: that team was a really good team, that ram team,
Speaker 1: A keeping those guys obviously Aaron Donald. Their defense was
Speaker 1: I thought one of the best in the league at
Speaker 1: the time. So for you to do what you did
Speaker 1: was was really special.
Speaker 2: We'll get into the game and Wade Phillips and you know,
Speaker 2: our revenge that we had to have on him. Because
Speaker 2: of that, you know Denver matchup we had in fifteen,
Speaker 2: we were pretty much a depleted weaponry group. So but
Speaker 2: we'll get into that. What's life looking like as a
Speaker 2: retired athlete Now.
Speaker 1: It's different, as you know, Look, I've been playing football
Speaker 1: since I was thirteen, and we always had that path forward,
Speaker 1: like all right, we're working towards something. There's a ton
Speaker 1: of structure we could tell people no matter what month
Speaker 1: it was, Hey, I'm going to be doing this in
Speaker 1: March or this in April and May, and now it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like that structure has been pulled away
Speaker 1: and it's challenging. So you know, we're navigating that. But
Speaker 1: what I love most is the family time. You know,
Speaker 1: with four young kids at home, it allows me to
Speaker 1: be there and to be present and to be a dad,
Speaker 1: be a husband. So I'm really enjoying that.
Speaker 2: But people don't realize when you retire as a professional athlete,
Speaker 2: especially a professional athlete that played a long time like you.
Speaker 2: You know, athletes are creatures, a habit, you know, and
Speaker 2: we're all used to on Thursday getting that red schedule,
Speaker 2: this red schedule that told out our life by the
Speaker 2: hour where we had to be what we had to do.
Speaker 2: And and a lot of guys get in trouble and
Speaker 2: that's pulled away from him because they don't have the
Speaker 2: routine given to them. So for a lot of the
Speaker 2: athletes that are retiring, what I've learned through my experience
Speaker 2: is I was such a routine guy that I had
Speaker 2: to create my routine. You got to create a routine
Speaker 2: because you need you need to have something that you've
Speaker 2: been doing for such a long time. Now you know,
Speaker 2: the routine is gonna be different. Where you're gonna be
Speaker 2: picking up kids, you're gonna have to find your time
Speaker 2: to get a workout, you're gonna do whatever meetings you
Speaker 2: got going. But you know, it's it's a struggle for
Speaker 2: you know, athletes in this in this time. But with
Speaker 2: a guy like Matthew, he's the he's literally the model
Speaker 2: of how to be a professional athlete. And whatever you
Speaker 2: jump into, I'm gonna try to make you. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to sell you on doing your own podcast.
Speaker 2: We gotta get you going here. But whatever you're gonna do,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be at the highest level of that and
Speaker 2: no one's ever gonna worry about you.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that, but you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: I mean that structure and that routine is something that
Speaker 1: I've had in place since I was a child, all
Speaker 1: of us, like you're saying, and just not having that
Speaker 1: is I'm having to create and find a way to
Speaker 1: create a routine and to have some continuity. You know.
Speaker 1: I almost feel like as football players were kind of
Speaker 1: like soldiers, right we get a command and we go
Speaker 1: execute it, and we thrived doing that, especially playing for coach.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to find a new commander. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: my wife, maybe it's my future loss that full right now,
Speaker 1: it's definitely my wife. Fully, she's definitely given the martian
Speaker 1: orders and I'm just trying to execute it. So it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a process. That transition is the process.
Speaker 2: Who's the wildest person to hit you up since the retirement?
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, there there have been a lot, and
Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate hearing from all the guys that we
Speaker 1: played with, you know, I think that's what means the most,
Speaker 1: is hearing from the guys. You know, some of my
Speaker 1: dad's old teammates that saw me as a young pup
Speaker 1: and really kind of raised me with him in the
Speaker 1: game of football, and then obviously like talking to coach
Speaker 1: and having dialogue with Coach about you know, the time
Speaker 1: that we spent together. Super thankful to have had the
Speaker 1: experience with him. It was a special time that we
Speaker 1: were part of. So thankful for everybody that's reached out
Speaker 1: and shown support, and it makes you feel like you
Speaker 1: had somewhat of an impact on people's lives, not just
Speaker 1: football wise.
Speaker 2: So did you have that conversation with Bill before the
Speaker 2: season or was he still around when he had Did
Speaker 2: you have the conversation because I remember my conversation.
Speaker 1: With Bill builds out the most sentimental guy, So I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go try to, you know, strum at the
Speaker 1: sentimental chords. But I did mention him before our last
Speaker 1: game that you know, I thought this would be it,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just thanked him for everything, and
Speaker 1: I hope he knows how much I appreciate everything that
Speaker 1: he's done for me. You know, his focus was just
Speaker 1: on going out there and beating the Jets, So I
Speaker 1: didn't want to get to too emotional or sentimental, but
Speaker 1: I appreciate Coach. You know, him and I had a
Speaker 1: great relationship, and you know, I appreciate everything he's done
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Did you not instantly feel a switch flip when you
Speaker 2: when he when he knew that you were going to retire,
Speaker 2: he became kind of a I remember when I told
Speaker 2: him that I was retiring. I was expecting like, look
Speaker 2: like you know this that it was more of he
Speaker 2: was like nourishing with it, right, you know, which a
Speaker 2: lot of people wouldn't, you know, think that. So she
Speaker 2: was a group of guys that have been in the
Speaker 2: system for a while, you know, like you felt like
Speaker 2: he was gonna do everything to help you for the process.
Speaker 1: That's what I helped you absolutely, you know, and Coach
Speaker 1: you know, look there there's always a part of me
Speaker 1: that was a little bit intimidated, you know, when it
Speaker 1: came to coach because he's such a strong figure and
Speaker 1: he was so demanding as a coach. But there were
Speaker 1: moments that he would surprise me all the time with
Speaker 1: how supportive he was or thoughtful he was about different things.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that gets talked about enough. And certainly,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen both sides of it, but you know,
Speaker 1: he was very supportive of me this year. I think
Speaker 1: he knew without us talking about it beforehand, that it
Speaker 1: was it was coming. Towards the end, we had some
Speaker 1: conversations about things moving forward in the future and what
Speaker 1: they look like without me there, and then certainly at
Speaker 1: the end there he was very supportive, expressed his gratitude
Speaker 1: to myself, my dad. Him and my dad were talking
Speaker 1: after the last game in the dining hall, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, they're my two football like icons
Speaker 1: right there, two football dad's. Yeah, essentially my two football followers.
Speaker 1: You know. There was that that shift that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and I certainly appreciated like being on the other side
Speaker 1: of that, you know now as a former player.
Speaker 2: So yeah, speaking of both sides. You've been watching the Dynasty.
Speaker 1: I haven't now now. You know, it's interesting this Dynasty.
Speaker 1: You know, I caught up on the episodes, and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how I feel about everything. I mean, it's tough,
Speaker 1: you know. I know there's some times some comments that
Speaker 1: I made on there that that made it seem like
Speaker 1: Bill was just this like very demanding presence, and he was.
Speaker 1: But I also want people to see there like they're
Speaker 1: multiple sides of Bill, right, And you know it's tough
Speaker 1: because I feel like he's being portrayed in a certain
Speaker 1: light and you know that, you know, we're painting a picture,
Speaker 1: but we're only showing people part of the picture. With coach,
Speaker 1: it's very complex and there are things that you know,
Speaker 1: we're tough, and I'm sure we all feel like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we wish we had done things this way, but
Speaker 1: let's make sure none of us forget the fact that
Speaker 1: the dynasty is not even being talked about without Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: And the things that he did were with intentionality and purpose,
Speaker 1: and I think he got the best out of all
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: I don't know, this whole thing is it's a little crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, have you has anyone what you praise?
Speaker 4: Bill didn't kill the people that Aaron hands did?
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: Did you not see that? In the dog? It was
Speaker 4: like his falls bullshit?
Speaker 2: I mean you said it, Kyler.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm here.
Speaker 2: I got no comments, man, I mean, I think he
Speaker 2: held his hand.
Speaker 1: I got, I got no comment. I mean it's tough.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what. I'm curious to hear
Speaker 1: what you think about his portrayal, and then just the
Speaker 1: work in general. I mean, look, it's it's always hard
Speaker 1: or to tell a story as complex as the one
Speaker 1: we lived in you know, ten episodes, right, there's just
Speaker 1: so many more things that took place that give context
Speaker 1: to what really happened.
Speaker 2: So I honestly think, if you're in your thirties and
Speaker 2: you've played football, I don't think you ever liked your
Speaker 2: football coach. You loved them, but you didn't like your
Speaker 2: football coach, just like I didn't like my parents when
Speaker 2: they made me do things that they knew or was
Speaker 2: gonna make me a better person. I didn't like doing
Speaker 2: it right. We didn't like doing it works not easy,
Speaker 2: you know, doing the little shit for preparation, doing walkthroughs,
Speaker 2: for walk throughs, for walkthroughs. I hated it. I bitched
Speaker 2: about it all the time. But we needed it right,
Speaker 2: you know. And that's why you went into every single
Speaker 2: game knowing you outprepared that team and you had a
Speaker 2: shot to win every single game. It just came down
Speaker 2: to execution, you know, And usually because of how we practiced,
Speaker 2: how hard we practiced, how much we practiced, how many
Speaker 2: reps we got. Mentally, you know, we executed at high, high,
Speaker 2: high level in those crucial situations.
Speaker 1: No question. And to your point, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: there were times that many of us didn't like Coach,
Speaker 1: but we always loved and respected him. There was no
Speaker 1: question about that. We always knew that he was pushing
Speaker 1: us to be the best version of ourselves like our
Speaker 1: parents would.
Speaker 2: And well, well, well gear hear out here saying like
Speaker 2: with Aaron Hernandez got away with murder like and I
Speaker 2: figured speaking about like at practice, that's not even true.
Speaker 2: Welger painted the picture like he got he was like
Speaker 2: the king, like you got to do anything. I remember Bill,
Speaker 2: motherfucking Aaron all the time. Come on, well, try and
Speaker 2: make up story. We know you don't like Bill Wes.
Speaker 1: I ain't even say that.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: Just sit my water here, man, my water West.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, all, I love you. You
Speaker 2: know I love him too. But you could clearly tell
Speaker 2: that he hates Bill. What was up with the Chris
Speaker 2: interview Chris Long interview last week?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you want to talk about that? Yeah? Can
Speaker 1: we play that back somewhere, you know, because my man,
Speaker 1: I just want I just want the people to know.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that I'm glad that you brought this up,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that Dola let you, you know, borrow
Speaker 1: his hat there, because, yeah, we used to have this conversation,
Speaker 1: Who's Batman, who's Robin? And you know, you know, football aside.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting into the Batman Robin conversation.
Speaker 2: That's what it's about. It's about it was.
Speaker 1: About more than football. It was about football, but it
Speaker 1: was also about off the field appeal. Joel lines, handsomeness, charisma,
Speaker 1: got that riz, you know, and it was very clear
Speaker 1: to me that Dola had the edge. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what you want me to say. What do you
Speaker 1: want me to tell you?
Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think? Is what you think?
Speaker 2: Batman doesn't say he's Batman.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. You're right, he doesn't tell exactly. I'm just
Speaker 1: exactly right. You know, I'm gonna stand by that. We're here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to stand by Dola. Come show him
Speaker 1: how it's done. Robin's here, he's got your gear on.
Speaker 1: Go get that.
Speaker 2: I mean, we see, we see Dola in the hot
Speaker 2: tub over here giving the bottle looks and stuff.
Speaker 1: Wasn't Dola with an agency? Wasn't he wasn't he with
Speaker 1: a modeling agency modeling? You were you with Ford Modeling? Now, okay,
Speaker 1: there wasn't trying to be Now, Dolan didn't have the
Speaker 1: let didn't have Super Bowl MVP. Dola didn't have you know,
Speaker 1: these postseason records. Dolan didn't have the we got six
Speaker 1: hundred plus catches. Care don't would enamdled that. So you know,
Speaker 1: the edge is clearly you know Edel's on that, you know,
Speaker 1: but everything else, Dole's got a strong case.
Speaker 2: There's a difference between being Bruce Wayne and Batman. That
Speaker 2: difference Bruce Wayne out in the public is Bruce Wayne
Speaker 2: fair enough behind the dark showering the dark Knight has
Speaker 2: to come out.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can live with that. I used to love
Speaker 1: those meetings though. When Chris brought that up, I just
Speaker 1: thought about how we would be sitting in those meetings
Speaker 1: and it would be o'shae. Dola was down in front
Speaker 1: of us, and it was you and I. Half the time,
Speaker 1: Dola would be drawn some photos yea tongue out, We'd
Speaker 1: be drawn pictures of O'Shane and you. In practice. But
Speaker 1: I mean that was a great time. I was a
Speaker 1: special time and we had a special room with guys
Speaker 1: who really cared and loved each other and loved the game,
Speaker 1: loved the process. And you know, it's no surprise to
Speaker 1: me in hindsight that we had the success that we
Speaker 1: did because we good people.
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree, And I loved what you
Speaker 2: said over on green Light talking about Chatt e O
Speaker 2: and Ivan. You know the unsung hero coaches. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: all know of the Scarnack yos and and coach Belichack.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know Chad o'sha. Like you said, I had.
Speaker 1: To deal you know, up and down, up and down
Speaker 1: roller coaster. And you know what Chad was. His demeanor
Speaker 1: was fantastic, right, Like he had the perfect demeanor to
Speaker 1: deal with guys like you, Guys like Wes, guys like Randy,
Speaker 1: you know, like it was he was here, he was level.
Speaker 1: And what made you great was that you were so
Speaker 1: ultra competitive. And you know, we're all crazy in our
Speaker 1: own way. We played football for most of our lives,
Speaker 1: like we're all tapped, but it was that controlled tapped,
Speaker 1: shall we say, that allows you to be successful because
Speaker 1: when the game was on the line or was a
Speaker 1: highly competitive situation, you always answered the bell and You
Speaker 1: brought out the best in everyone, and Chad knew that.
Speaker 1: He understood that, and he was the perfect coach in
Speaker 1: my opinion, for you. You know, as you ascended into
Speaker 1: the player that you became.
Speaker 2: Now, do you ever recall a time where me and
Speaker 2: Chadman was fined?
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna bring that up for the kind audience
Speaker 1: out there who loves Julian Edelman, but there were several
Speaker 1: times where where you and Chad almost fought. And you know,
Speaker 1: for the people that don't know out there, we called
Speaker 1: the Edelment helmet toss. Now you know, many you guys
Speaker 1: have thrown their helmet, but practice, you used to slam
Speaker 1: your helmet with consistency at least once a week. And
Speaker 1: I'm talking about jaw pads flying because we're old enough
Speaker 1: where there were still jaw pads, jaw pads flying, stuff flying,
Speaker 1: And you're yelling the first guy. You'd yelling because you
Speaker 1: can't yell at Tom. You gonna yell at your teammates, yell.
Speaker 1: You're yell at Chat. You ain't yelling at Bill, You're
Speaker 1: yelling at Chad. And you'd be yelling at Chad. And
Speaker 1: some days Chad was just taking a stride. But then
Speaker 1: you know, other day it's Chad. You know, Chad was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not having that. So then you and Chad are
Speaker 1: over there going at it, yelling at each other. And
Speaker 1: I used to just sit over there and laughing myself
Speaker 1: because I was like these two because I knew you
Speaker 1: guys obviously cared about each other so much, but there
Speaker 1: was just so much passion and intensity and the practice
Speaker 1: was flat.
Speaker 2: If practice was flat, you knew that Edelman had toss
Speaker 2: was coming right. I was fucking breaking the goddamn helmet,
Speaker 2: just these young bucks none.
Speaker 1: And you know what, though, I will say this, I
Speaker 1: had a greater appreciation for that after you retired than
Speaker 1: I did while you were playing, because I realized that
Speaker 1: what you did increase the urgency and accountability amongst the guys.
Speaker 1: It brought an edge to our group, and we were
Speaker 1: missing that edge once you left. We were missing it
Speaker 1: and we really never replaced it, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of a guy that would come out there really getting
Speaker 1: guys faces, but hold guy's accountable to a standard. We
Speaker 1: didn't have that, and that was a big part of
Speaker 1: what you did. And I think you know that's something
Speaker 1: that you can't measure. It's not a stat it's not this.
Speaker 1: But it made our team a championship caliber team.
Speaker 2: But that's something that we all felt when you were
Speaker 2: first introduced to the Patriots. Yeah, absolutely, you felt Teddy Brewski,
Speaker 2: Kevin Falk. You felt their eyes, You heard their comments
Speaker 2: trying to embarrass you with your effort, or with your
Speaker 2: lack of knowledge or your lack of studying, or your
Speaker 2: lack of preparation to embarrass you in front of everyone,
Speaker 2: because a they were never going to be unprepared, be
Speaker 2: they were working their dicks off and they were already
Speaker 2: in their ten, thirteen, fourteen, fifteenth year right, you know,
Speaker 2: So it made you bring your level up and then
Speaker 2: you know, then you know the cycle of guys. You
Speaker 2: become one of the the guys that was I was there,
Speaker 2: You were there, we were there for eight seven years.
Speaker 2: Then it becomes your turn to hold people accountable because
Speaker 2: Tom couldn't always hold people accountable because if Tom got
Speaker 2: on someone, he gets on a younger receiver, they're gonna
Speaker 2: put their tail between their legs, right, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: probably tank for the rest to practice. So it was
Speaker 2: like my job to motherfuck people for Tom because if
Speaker 2: Tom did, guys they couldn't handle it because they grew
Speaker 2: up watching this Guys half of them weren't even born
Speaker 2: when he first got in the league, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So it was like one of those things where, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was an asshole. Yeah, a lot of guys probably
Speaker 2: didn't like me, but you respected me, no doubt, because
Speaker 2: I was there before you, and I still let it
Speaker 2: last year. I was there before you, and I was
Speaker 2: leaving after you.
Speaker 8: And everybody need that quick question just because we've seen Jeels,
Speaker 8: we've hung out with him forever.
Speaker 4: We know him from one side.
Speaker 8: Who didn't like him the most in the locker room,
Speaker 8: because I'm sure.
Speaker 1: There was plenty, get well, it just depended on the day.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're all. You know. Him and I
Speaker 1: were good for at least two or three blow ups
Speaker 1: a year. Oh so where would come up?
Speaker 2: Where did we almost fight?
Speaker 1: We almost fought in Oakland. He was a deep returner.
Speaker 1: I was a short returner. The ball gets kicked, I'm
Speaker 1: in my hometown, nine yards deep in the end zone.
Speaker 1: I give him the double hand stop, he brings it out.
Speaker 1: He brings it out. Of course, he gets blown up
Speaker 1: inside the twenty. So then I look at him and
Speaker 1: I said, yo, I gave you the double lamp stop.
Speaker 1: I said, if you do that again, I'm not blocking
Speaker 1: for you. And I'm telling everybody up they're not the
Speaker 1: block for you. Then he goes f you, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be the captain. That ain't no leadership, That ain't
Speaker 1: no captain. So we're over there getting ready to fight.
Speaker 1: Put you know, coach are pulling us apart, guys are
Speaker 1: looking at us. So you know you asked that question.
Speaker 1: Some days it might have been me, okay, other days
Speaker 1: it might have been Tom, which I would love. By
Speaker 1: the way, Julian was the only guy that could really
Speaker 1: give it to Tom, right, Like you know, we all
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to give it to Tom. Sometimes he did
Speaker 1: some goofy. We're like, it's Tom. I can't say that
Speaker 1: this guy will be out there getting on Tom killed
Speaker 1: him in front of the guys and we're all like
Speaker 1: trying to muffle our laughs. But you could tell Tom, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he was flustered. He was flustered. So it
Speaker 1: would just depend on the day. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: at any point in time you get asked all fifty
Speaker 1: three guys on the ross fifty two guys and they
Speaker 1: would say they hated right, you know, him and Gilmore
Speaker 1: and fighting and training camp, you know, pulling a dread
Speaker 1: out doing all this, but again pulled his dread off.
Speaker 2: And I remember, it's part of the jersey, It's part
Speaker 2: of the jersey. I pulled his dread off. I walked
Speaker 2: back to the locker room with.
Speaker 1: Outrageous Right, what are we doing pulling man's dread out.
Speaker 1: But I'll say this, if you go back and you
Speaker 1: talk to all those guys that play with Julian, they'll
Speaker 1: all tell you they respected them, right, They'll all tell you.
Speaker 1: They'll all tell you he made us better and he
Speaker 1: brought an edge store football team. So and to your point,
Speaker 1: like we were afraid of, like letting our peers down
Speaker 1: and being embarrassed in front of our peers. And you
Speaker 1: know that's the difference, Like, you know, this next generation,
Speaker 1: the way they view history and the way they view
Speaker 1: like veterans in the league is slightly different than the
Speaker 1: way we came up. Like you know, we revered Mike Rabel,
Speaker 1: Teddy Bruce Ki, Rodney Harrison, Vince Wolf, Ty Warren, Richard Seymour.
Speaker 1: I'm missing you know, dozens of guys, Troy Brown, mister Patriot.
Speaker 1: We revered these guys and we didn't want to let
Speaker 1: them down. We want to disappoint them, and we were
Speaker 1: more afraid of them than Bill at times. And I
Speaker 1: think that enabled the culture to continue to thrive and
Speaker 1: have success because one generation to the next it was like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're doing this for each other, and we got to
Speaker 1: keep up holding the standard.
Speaker 2: Some fun years, bubs, we.
Speaker 1: Had some times. Now we had some times. We won
Speaker 1: a lot of football games too, which made it, you know,
Speaker 1: extremely fun.
Speaker 2: You noticed that shift in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: It's just different, right, And I don't want to be
Speaker 1: the old guy that pooh poo's the generation that comes
Speaker 1: after me. It's just different. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: as leaders, you have to find ways to connect with
Speaker 1: that generation a little different. You know, they're more invested
Speaker 1: in relationship equity, emotional intelligence, and I think you have
Speaker 1: to meet them where they are there and that's fine.
Speaker 1: And I think coaches, right, coaches are having to evolve.
Speaker 1: These guys want to feel like they're partners and what's
Speaker 1: happening were for us, we would blindly take orders. We
Speaker 1: wouldn't ask questions for these guys. Maybe they need why
Speaker 1: to what they're doing. And that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just it is what it is. And
Speaker 1: you know it's not smart of anybody to sit here
Speaker 1: and poop pooh that generation. I think you have to
Speaker 1: evolve and meet these guys where they are.
Speaker 2: Well, the generation before us is poop.
Speaker 1: They certainly were. I like that word poop poo oh.
Speaker 2: Man, I remember this just popped over my head. I
Speaker 2: don't remember. I remember what was it that there was
Speaker 2: a play on the sideline opposite sideline of our special
Speaker 2: team play and some who got who got you really mad?
Speaker 2: Where you almost swore keep Was it a key?
Speaker 1: I think it was a key. Was it in the
Speaker 1: joint practice?
Speaker 2: No, this was in a game. I remember him going,
Speaker 2: what the freak.
Speaker 1: Might have been a key? Might have been a key
Speaker 1: as well. You know, I just want to accept the
Speaker 1: ruggers straight in case of key where I love a
Speaker 1: key competitor, you know, a Hall of Fame player in
Speaker 1: my books. But he would come out there and he
Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to put his hands on me
Speaker 1: at me, pushed me out of my house late and
Speaker 1: you know we had some battles out there. He got
Speaker 1: me out of character. He definitely got me out of character.
Speaker 2: Man, keep.
Speaker 5: He was so fun in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Oh he was a great teammate. He was a great teammate.
Speaker 1: I mean, were the years wear like six change.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm only calling you oon chain dog. You
Speaker 2: only got one chain to me?
Speaker 5: He got them snatched?
Speaker 1: He got it.
Speaker 2: No, he snatched.
Speaker 5: That's right, was the reverse he snatched?
Speaker 1: He did? He did.
Speaker 4: He played for the Rems in skin he did.
Speaker 1: He Yeah, he was here. He was old though he
Speaker 1: was not a keep. I didn't say it. He said,
Speaker 1: keep keep. You know you were.
Speaker 2: I know you were.
Speaker 1: You thought you still had no you still had it.
Speaker 1: You were still smart as hell, elite thought you were
Speaker 1: still the elite.
Speaker 2: A keep with one hundred percent agree He ain't, he
Speaker 2: said he He probably would say that, like, it wasn't me.
Speaker 2: That's why he That's why we were able to do
Speaker 2: what we did.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 1: What are you getting ready to say?
Speaker 4: That's why I was m v P.
Speaker 2: That's what he would probably say. That's what he would
Speaker 2: probably say. He probably say, I wasn't in my I
Speaker 2: wasn't in my prime.
Speaker 8: Oh man, Yeah, but he had a pick six against
Speaker 8: Virginia Tech and the Orange Bowl for Kansas.
Speaker 2: He was a Monsters great player. There's the reason why
Speaker 2: we lost in thirteen because he heard his hamstring once.
Speaker 2: His hamstring was only couldn't stop nobody.
Speaker 1: He was didn't West didn't had run an illegal pick
Speaker 1: play and West like give him a hit pointer or something.
Speaker 1: I think Wes hit us with a bush league, you know,
Speaker 1: chicken wing them and.
Speaker 2: So he's just out for the patrons.
Speaker 1: West out for him should have been our title.
Speaker 2: Wes can we can we talk about roommate days?
Speaker 1: Oh, let's talk about roommate days. Those were the days.
Speaker 1: Eggnog time, eggnog, ebony and ivory together, perfect harmony. Now,
Speaker 1: you guys, good vocals over there. The odd couple that
Speaker 1: show what was that in the fifties or something? That
Speaker 1: was us? We were the odd couple. But the thing
Speaker 1: I appreciated the most, as different as Julian than I are,
Speaker 1: we always were able to find common ground. And that's
Speaker 1: why it worked. And people wonder why, like how did
Speaker 1: you guys live to the other Like, we always found
Speaker 1: common ground and we had a blast. That was fun man.
Speaker 2: Eggnog, eggnog, cookies cookie time. He get mad at me
Speaker 2: because I never take out the garden.
Speaker 1: He never took out the track. I mean, let's let's
Speaker 1: be clear. Man never took off the trash.
Speaker 2: I just I mean it was brutal speaking of speaking
Speaker 2: of roommate though, Like, so, what was it in fourteen?
Speaker 2: We just so we win the Super Bowl fourteen? Slate
Speaker 2: about to get married, like three weeks later. A week later,
Speaker 2: I had to go out and I had to do
Speaker 2: a bunch of sty I didn't go back to the
Speaker 2: house right away. I go back to the house for
Speaker 2: the parade. Slate takes communal, TV.
Speaker 1: Took the TV, took the dishes, clean out the whole bottom, Len,
Speaker 1: what do you want me to do? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not Look, I'm not a high flying, high paid wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I'm a kick cover guy. I need my TV, I
Speaker 1: need my dishes. I need everything that I can get
Speaker 1: my hands. At least give me like a I should
Speaker 1: have given him the heads up. I should have give
Speaker 1: him a curve came in.
Speaker 2: I called the cops. I like, get we get robbed.
Speaker 1: I should have given the super clean this out all
Speaker 1: the way needed that stuff.
Speaker 4: They were getting out of Frisbees for like months after two.
Speaker 1: All right, man, I'm sorry, paper plate, he was paper blatant.
Speaker 1: But you know what I think I think now, looking
Speaker 1: back as we sit here in this plush space here,
Speaker 1: I think my man did all right without that TV dishes, right,
Speaker 1: I think it worked out all right. By the way,
Speaker 1: that TV still hangs on the wall in my house,
Speaker 1: still the TV. Yeah, that curve, you get that curve
Speaker 1: still got it. That day I was so mad at him.
Speaker 2: In a snowstorm. I had to go to best five,
Speaker 2: got the best, get one a super Bowl. It's like,
Speaker 2: give me that curve thing.
Speaker 1: Oh man, how big is it?
Speaker 2: Gig?
Speaker 1: He got the big dog? Wait?
Speaker 5: But Slade, how did the how did the roommate situation
Speaker 5: get set up?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 5: What's the origin of two guys in Okay?
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, Julian and I had instant connection.
Speaker 1: Uh two late round draft picks, two guys from California,
Speaker 1: two kind of underdogs. So I think we all were.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 1: Don't forget you started as a come on, baby, he
Speaker 1: started as a teamer, and you know he had to grind.
Speaker 1: Nothing was given to my man. But anyways, we go
Speaker 1: out there, we played two thousand and ten and then
Speaker 1: the lockout hits. So I know my financial situation. I
Speaker 1: gotta get out of here. I gotta give up my apartment.
Speaker 1: So I moved back home, which I think you did too.
Speaker 2: I was in in Pierre's basement.
Speaker 1: You only live in Pierre War's basement, You're right. So
Speaker 1: we both gave up our living situation. And then when
Speaker 1: we came back it was like, hey, we just got
Speaker 1: to make the team. Like, I'm not thinking about where
Speaker 1: I'm living. Teams paying for me to live at this hotel.
Speaker 1: I'm standing there. We got to make the team. So
Speaker 1: when we made the team, it was like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: we made the team. We don't know where we're going
Speaker 1: to live, so we're scrambling. And I think Ryan Wendell had.
Speaker 2: Had because I was. I went and lived with him
Speaker 2: for a.
Speaker 1: While before in twenty ten, you lived with him, and
Speaker 1: then Ryan Wendell had this house, so Doug King, we
Speaker 1: jumped in. Doug King, by the way, making a killing
Speaker 1: off people, making a killing, just raking people. Anyways, we
Speaker 1: moved in the house.
Speaker 2: Your salary went up, your rent went up.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. But Julian didn't let that fly though.
Speaker 1: He took care of no. He had he had to
Speaker 1: you know, negotiate. But anyways, Ryan, Julian and I were
Speaker 1: there the first year. Ryan moved out and I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: if you want to keep doing this, we'll keep doing this.
Speaker 1: So for another three years, so four years total we
Speaker 1: stayed in that house. At twenty eight paces saved our duccats.
Speaker 2: We had a couple, we brought a couple of couple.
Speaker 1: You know, we had Shane Vereen, We had Dela Rosa
Speaker 1: in DeRosa. I mean, we had we had some characters
Speaker 1: in the out there.
Speaker 2: That was my That was my first exposure to Shane
Speaker 2: Veren eating a Domino's pizza once a week.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, once a week and then going out
Speaker 1: there and killing it and the beauty of being young
Speaker 1: and being able to do that. But man, that was
Speaker 1: a fun time. Man, that really was. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we grew a lot. When we moved in, he was
Speaker 1: just Julian. By the time we left, he was you know,
Speaker 1: jay E eleven or Julian Adelman or whatever they call
Speaker 1: him nowadays. So you know, I saw the whole naturation process.
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: I love that pasion, those Walls could talk.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of tails of tail a few
Speaker 1: other jokers. I think very well that lives in that
Speaker 1: house before.
Speaker 2: Bring that one.
Speaker 1: A couple of guys lived there before us.
Speaker 2: Speaking of teamers, who are who are some of the
Speaker 2: teamers that impress you right now? In the league?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, there are there are a ton of good ones.
Speaker 1: It is really yeah, it really has. I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like every team has, you know, some really great players.
Speaker 1: George Odom for the Niners, I think is as good
Speaker 1: as I've seen over the course of my career. J T. Gray,
Speaker 1: Justin Hardy, cyarn Neal and then my guy Brendan Schooler Schooler,
Speaker 1: who I think is you know, he's got just tremendous
Speaker 1: potential to be I think one of the great players
Speaker 1: that this league has ever seen. I mean, he's that good.
Speaker 1: He's long, like he's six two, he's long, and he's strong,
Speaker 1: and then he's like legit fast, like he'll touch twenty
Speaker 1: two mill an hour. So like, this kid's got all
Speaker 1: the tools. Who is the other guy that used to
Speaker 1: our white boy Corey or no? Who what do you play?
Speaker 2: Cody?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Cody D Cody D Cody D Cody d is as.
Speaker 5: Uh, he was too he could.
Speaker 1: I mean, he looked he made he hit twenty two
Speaker 1: mile an hour and he looked like he's jogging, and
Speaker 1: you're like, man, this guy can roll. But I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many guys that I didn't name, But I
Speaker 1: think the league is in a really great place where
Speaker 1: you go through the roster of almost every team and
Speaker 1: I can point out one or two guys that really
Speaker 1: jump out on tape and really have bought into the
Speaker 1: idea of playing in the kicking game at a high level.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a ton of respect for these
Speaker 1: guys nowadays, they're they're taking the bar to you know,
Speaker 1: another level.
Speaker 2: What's the orgin story of the field goal block in Miami?
Speaker 1: Man, Well, you know how it is when you sit
Speaker 1: in the room with Joe Judge, right, you can take
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and you're on a tangent and like, hey,
Speaker 1: we should do this, and last night we were talking
Speaker 1: about this. So we get in there and you know,
Speaker 1: these guys are like, hey, we got a tail on
Speaker 1: on their operation and it's it's pretty good. It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty much one hundred percent. And I won't just close
Speaker 1: that in case they want to go back Bailey, but
Speaker 1: uh but uh, you know that we had a pretty
Speaker 1: good beat on it, and there's really one guy on
Speaker 1: the team that we trusted to do that, like that
Speaker 1: has the ability, has the length, who can ben who
Speaker 1: has the quickness and get off? And that was School,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're practicing it during the week and
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of them the timing was like, ah,
Speaker 1: that ain't it. That ain't looking good. But one of
Speaker 1: our assistants, Joe Houston, he finally got the timing and
Speaker 1: the steps with School. So when we got in the
Speaker 1: game and we needed to play, it was like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna call it. And I just knew. I said,
Speaker 1: if he can get the corner, uh, untouched or at
Speaker 1: least minimal contact, he's gonna block it. And he did
Speaker 1: a great job of just bend in that corner, you know,
Speaker 1: timing it up and just you know, again he's the
Speaker 1: kids six too, he's long and and I saw it
Speaker 1: in in my pariff. I saw it. I said, before
Speaker 1: he blocked. I said, oh, he's gonna because he got
Speaker 1: through there untouched. And you know, huge play, huge, huge play,
Speaker 1: huge play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the biggest misconception of teamers.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think a lot of people think
Speaker 1: that playing special teams is going out there, you're not
Speaker 1: thinking very much, You're just running and it's chaotic. But
Speaker 1: the reality is there's a lot of communication that occurs
Speaker 1: on the field. There's a lot of thinking on your feet,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot that changes in the middle of plays.
Speaker 1: And you know, you got the best athletes on the field,
Speaker 1: the fastest, some of the strongest, biggest guys out there playing.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think people under sell what it
Speaker 1: takes to play in the King game. You know, I
Speaker 1: hear all the time, Well, this guy's big and fast,
Speaker 1: he can play special teams, Well not necessarily. Can he
Speaker 1: think on his feet? Is he tough mentally and physically?
Speaker 1: And is he going to compete at a high level
Speaker 1: like you got to compete every snap because every snap
Speaker 1: can be the difference between winning and losing. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we get a bad rap sometimes. But those
Speaker 1: guys that I mentioned right now that are doing it
Speaker 1: at high levels across the league, I think are changing that.
Speaker 2: So mount rushmore special teamers.
Speaker 1: And I mean it's tough, right, I mean it's tough,
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna make any kind of Mountain Rushmore,
Speaker 1: you got to start with Steve Tasker. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: the godfather. He started us off. He really took it
Speaker 1: and elevated it to where it is today. I like
Speaker 1: Bill Bates, who played with Dallas for fifteen years and
Speaker 1: really was, you know, an all out guy. There's another
Speaker 1: guy named Elbert Shelby I think it was saying his
Speaker 1: name right, who played in Atlanta, who was a great gunner,
Speaker 1: went to four Pro Bowls. So you know, let's give
Speaker 1: him and Baits half ahead on that Mount Rushmore. And
Speaker 1: then I go current guys. I go guys that you know,
Speaker 1: maybe from our generation. Lorenzo Alexander is the guy that
Speaker 1: I love, just physical presence, relentingle, this relentless effort in
Speaker 1: the way that he played. And then Michael Thomas, who
Speaker 1: was one of our contemporaries. He was in Cincinnati last year. Really,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at the last decade and a half,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on who you asked, the top to,
Speaker 1: one of the top two guys in the league last
Speaker 1: you know, ten to fifteen years. So uh, that's why
Speaker 1: Mount rush I'm leaving off a ton of guys. I
Speaker 1: hate doing Mount rushmorees because you always leave off very like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't put myself on that. I you know, I
Speaker 1: tried to do my giant yes, so yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great players out there that I
Speaker 1: have respect for.
Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: Of R two's Julian Edelman definitely top R two in
Speaker 1: the league. You know, I don't. I don't think people
Speaker 1: appreciate how good you were in the kicking game and
Speaker 1: not just returning the ball covering. Didn't I send you
Speaker 1: a clip of you covering now this year?
Speaker 2: No, but I still remember when you were off sides
Speaker 2: in my.
Speaker 1: Time, I always got to bring that out. I was
Speaker 1: off side, he had a tackle inside the vibe, I
Speaker 1: was all kick off.
Speaker 2: That's that's very rare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's when we were young and spry. The body
Speaker 1: could move. It was a good time.
Speaker 2: Had the block PP had block. Larry Izzo, l Larry honorable.
Speaker 1: No doubt, honorable mention Mount Rushmore, no doubt. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: without Larry Izzo, I never would have had a job
Speaker 1: in New England. You know, guys like that, and you
Speaker 1: know we always talk about like the skill guys and
Speaker 1: and special teams like the gunners and the PPS. But
Speaker 1: I think guys like Nick Bloor that are out there
Speaker 1: right now and othery're like, uh, you know a Miles Kilbrew,
Speaker 1: the size guys Reeves Mavin and Detroit who made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, Like, you gotta give those size guys some
Speaker 1: love too, because you know there's a big man moving
Speaker 1: down the field. Well, he was technically a size guy.
Speaker 1: Larry was listed as as two twenty. He probably was
Speaker 1: two o five. Larry were gonna, we're gonna call your
Speaker 1: gonna call you size guy. But those were fun times. Man.
Speaker 2: Now, your dad being Jackie Slater greatest right tackle of
Speaker 2: all time Hall of Famer, how often did you talk
Speaker 2: to your dad during the season, you know, yeah, about
Speaker 2: football or did you how often? Was that a lot?
Speaker 2: A lot honestly?
Speaker 1: And you know, I think when him and I would talk,
Speaker 1: it would be more, you know, how you feel in physically,
Speaker 1: where you at mentally, you know, kind of state of
Speaker 1: the team. We never really talked too much about how
Speaker 1: I was playing. He'd ask me about plays and certain
Speaker 1: things like that. But the first thing every game i'd
Speaker 1: call him on the way home, the first thing that
Speaker 1: he would say, you know, I thought the old line
Speaker 1: did this I saw this. He watched our line with
Speaker 1: an eagle eye for sixteen years. I mean he could
Speaker 1: tell you, you know, in the third quarter it was third
Speaker 1: and five, this happened with Marcus Cannon or Sebastian Volmer
Speaker 1: did this. Like he just loves interior play. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's who he is. He'll he'll tell you a
Speaker 1: good big man's always he's better than a good little man.
Speaker 1: And he just loves that that part of the game.
Speaker 1: So we always connected on that. We were always talking
Speaker 1: about our line and the way that you know, they
Speaker 1: were playing throughout the season. You know, we enjoyed those conversations.
Speaker 2: How old were you when your dad retired?
Speaker 1: So I was in fifth grade, so I was about
Speaker 1: ten eleven years old when my dad retired. We moved
Speaker 1: to Saint Louis for his last year. My mom did
Speaker 1: not want to go. She was like, can you just retire,
Speaker 1: And he's like, I gotta get twenty, I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta go try to get twenty. So we moved to
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. We were there for eight months and he played.
Speaker 1: He played in one game. He was on pep. He
Speaker 1: had a ruptured his tricep and he retort and rehab,
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, we just get you out
Speaker 1: there for one game, gets you that twenty of the
Speaker 1: years they mummied his arm up. He got out there
Speaker 1: and you know we were in and out of Saint
Speaker 1: Louis pretty quick.
Speaker 2: So how was it, you know, being did you go
Speaker 2: to all the practices and had to be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: It was a crazy experience for me as a young person,
Speaker 1: like growing up around the game. And you know, the
Speaker 1: love that I have for the game came from my dad,
Speaker 1: but you know, just to be in the locker room,
Speaker 1: to be at the practice facility, to see him training,
Speaker 1: to have his teammates come up and you know start
Speaker 1: talking to me. You know, Isaac Bruce was a guy
Speaker 1: that I really loved. He played with my dad towards
Speaker 1: the end of my dad's career, but even after my
Speaker 1: dad retired, I'd go back and watch him and Tory
Speaker 1: running routes and oh man, it was just such a
Speaker 1: neat experience to grow up around the game.
Speaker 2: So you know, I remember I got to know Jack.
Speaker 2: He's calling Big black Jack.
Speaker 5: Yes, I never do his face.
Speaker 1: No, no, just to me. We would laugh about that.
Speaker 2: We would laugh about that and I'd be like and
Speaker 2: one time we had our eggnog time and I was
Speaker 2: on IR and Slate went up to sleep, you know
Speaker 2: me and old Jack sat back down. He saw, you know,
Speaker 2: we saw that crown you know on IRE. I was like, yo, missus,
Speaker 2: slay you want. He took a little little crown. We
Speaker 2: sit in there after about two to three drinks. I
Speaker 2: got Jackie in there showing me his past sets against LT.
Speaker 2: He's over your I used to give this LT. It
Speaker 2: was the coolest experience.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: I remember that because my dad loved the Rams growing up,
Speaker 2: so he always talked and my dad always talked about,
Speaker 2: you know, getting to hang out with your dad at
Speaker 2: the Super Bowls. It was always so fun.
Speaker 1: It was special for our families. It really was.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to around February third, two
Speaker 2: thousand nineteen. This is a segment we do where we
Speaker 2: go through all the pop culture and just kind of
Speaker 2: see what was going on at this time. Number one
Speaker 2: movie Glass. Do you see that?
Speaker 1: I didn't see Glass, It's like the Jackie.
Speaker 2: What was that?
Speaker 5: That was m Night Shyamalan. It was the crossover sequel
Speaker 5: to Unbreakable and Split, so it had Samuel Jackson, Bruce Willis,
Speaker 5: James McAvoy. It was kind of like the culmination of
Speaker 5: those two.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go watch that one. Glass.
Speaker 5: It was all right if you like the m Night
Speaker 5: Stamlon thing.
Speaker 1: I like him.
Speaker 5: Budget of twenty million made two hundred and forty seven million.
Speaker 5: Oh there we go, pretty solid, Roy, Roy, we're box
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Speaker 2: by Ariana Grande.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this one?
Speaker 5: This was sort of the sing song you one that
Speaker 5: sounded like rain drops on Rose. You know that one? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I want it, I got it. I like it about
Speaker 5: it that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, seven.
Speaker 1: Rings we like it around over here.
Speaker 5: Seven rings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a nice We got to get any
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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark scores sixteen high school.
Speaker 1: She's killing it, still doing it. She's awesome.
Speaker 2: She's doing it back then, she's doing it now. This
Speaker 2: is just the start.
Speaker 5: Incredible. Pulled a little stat on Kaitlyn Clark here on
Speaker 5: threes in IL value rankings. Crazy that that's the thing
Speaker 5: now in college sports. Fourth highest valued college athlete three
Speaker 5: point one million, they say this year three wow.
Speaker 1: Man we'll go back as well. Undeclared for that draft.
Speaker 2: You making more.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's not gonna make that w n B
Speaker 1: A salary right now, she'd make an endorsement endorse on salary.
Speaker 2: She El Choppa was found guilty in all counts. L Choppo,
Speaker 2: we may we may have met one of his tigers.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go back to the next line. Operation Varsity
Speaker 1: Blues Hits March Winging say nothing about brother Choppo, Operation
Speaker 1: Varsity Blues Hits USC.
Speaker 5: What I mean, you're doing all that just to go
Speaker 5: to USC? All now, man, all that to go to USC,
Speaker 5: to go to USC.
Speaker 2: You don't know what this was. This is when Aunt
Speaker 2: Becky did the rowing thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean USC's not even I mean it's
Speaker 1: not even a good school. You're doing all that to
Speaker 1: go to US. I mean, at least if you're going
Speaker 1: to u c l A. With that, it felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're trying to get into the number one public school
Speaker 1: you versity in the country. I just want to number one.
Speaker 1: We passed Berkeley. Put all those bears out there, Dela
Speaker 1: ross is passed Bear Well, I mean that's what they
Speaker 1: like to say. But you know it's it's one thing
Speaker 1: when the baby comes up and rises and grows bigger
Speaker 1: than the original, and it's better. It's like two point zero. We're,
Speaker 1: you know, superior.
Speaker 5: Obviously in the sports world U c l A talk.
Speaker 5: Who is there one guy that linebacker Bruce.
Speaker 2: Bruce Davis BD. My god, whenever there was a u
Speaker 2: c l A guy, sleepy, be all happy.
Speaker 1: I love I love all my.
Speaker 5: C l A know, you know I love Bill Walton.
Speaker 5: Have you ever met Bill Walton?
Speaker 1: I've never met Bill, huge fan.
Speaker 5: Though he's my second favorite huge fan.
Speaker 2: Who's your first? Jack?
Speaker 1: All right? Jack?
Speaker 2: Jackie Patrick Mahomes m v P. This year we won
Speaker 2: the ball college football champion Clemson Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2: That was Trevor Lawrence Clemson. What's going on?
Speaker 1: My god?
Speaker 2: He needs to have a year this year. I know,
Speaker 2: big year for him.
Speaker 1: Big year, got Mac Jones now mc jones putting that
Speaker 1: pressure on him.
Speaker 2: Now that Mac Daddy. He's back in his home environment, right,
Speaker 2: I'm slinging that pill. You know, he's getting some vitamin D.
Speaker 2: So the depression is probably down.
Speaker 5: Back in his old child modeling days.
Speaker 2: NBA streaks Russell Westbrook eleven straight triple doubles that'll probably
Speaker 2: never go crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he.
Speaker 1: Went to No, he didn't go there. He was there
Speaker 1: with me four time.
Speaker 2: You guys, he don't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know me from Adam's house cat.
Speaker 5: But shout out Trussell, he should get to know you.
Speaker 2: James Harden streak of thirty plus point games ends at
Speaker 2: thirty two games.
Speaker 5: That's the record.
Speaker 1: Yep, crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Joker gets buckets, he sure does. Notable NFL retirements Reeves,
Speaker 2: Joe Thomas, Jason Witt, James Harrison, Dwight Freeny.
Speaker 5: It's a list right in right before the season, is it?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 8: This is there last year, so ReBs is and Thomas's
Speaker 8: I think Fredie's into No.
Speaker 1: James Harrison, I mean it was two time defensive part
Speaker 1: of the year right still one scari I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, like, can.
Speaker 2: State a lump I was.
Speaker 1: When he was on the team. I was still afraid
Speaker 1: of the guy and think I was like that Joker
Speaker 1: is intimidating. Now I loved him, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: He would come in there this deebo shirt, Deebo.
Speaker 5: I would pay to see him in the weight room.
Speaker 1: I mean The guy is an animal.
Speaker 2: He lived in the weight room. I mean yeah, he
Speaker 2: wear like old sweatsuits that were like super baggy old. Remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very deceiving because you can't tell how big.
Speaker 2: You could see because he was only five. He's probably
Speaker 2: about five eleven and he was he was too sick.
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Speaker 5: See all right, Let's start off with the La Rams
Speaker 5: here thirteen and three, second best record in franchise history,
Speaker 5: bested only by that one team Greatest Sean Turf. We
Speaker 5: know how that season ended, another loss to the Patriots.
Speaker 5: A bunch of guys on this team, Jared Goff, Young,
Speaker 5: Jared Golf, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald.
Speaker 2: Corey little Is Gurly and this was Gurly.
Speaker 1: Gurley was already part of the year, wasn't he?
Speaker 6: Was he?
Speaker 5: I believe so Keith to leave brought him in prior
Speaker 5: to the season. You know, he's a Wade Phillips guy.
Speaker 5: Andrew Whitworth was in his about one hundred season here
Speaker 5: at Worth still ball, Marcus Peters and Dominicans who they
Speaker 5: brought in there. Brandon Cooks, former Patriot prior to the
Speaker 5: season as well, Greg the leg zer line. Cooper Cup
Speaker 5: was hurt, hurt for this one towards a cl in
Speaker 5: November missed the rest of the season. Johnny Hecker, Johnny Johnny,
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like.
Speaker 1: It's all Johnny's an all time great now he was
Speaker 1: a bill love.
Speaker 5: Johnny Hecker didn't.
Speaker 1: Johnny Hecker was an all time punter.
Speaker 2: Who is who were the brother him or who are
Speaker 2: the brothers? Oh cole Quits?
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you were next to the cole Quits.
Speaker 2: Or Johnny Hecker, when you when you would be in
Speaker 2: warm ups and you'd be next to us punting, it
Speaker 2: sounded like a cannon going off. Those guys had such big,
Speaker 2: like crazy legs.
Speaker 1: And Johnny's a big old dude too, like six four
Speaker 1: six five.
Speaker 4: Wait, why would you be next to him?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Is that how they think?
Speaker 2: Walk by him? I'd always just like I am down
Speaker 2: until my man trying to mind and never never look
Speaker 2: at him, never look at him. Just I'd always look
Speaker 2: get their punt and just shake my head.
Speaker 8: Now would other like returners actually like talk to those guys.
Speaker 8: They have the special team or bond right now.
Speaker 1: The special like the snappers, punters, kickers, they have their
Speaker 1: own like they're in the world. They're in their own
Speaker 1: like brotherhood, which I respect. I like how they I
Speaker 1: like how they operate.
Speaker 2: They do back if we could try to come talk
Speaker 2: to me. I never talked to him. Oh you know,
Speaker 2: you try to butter you up. You know there's guys
Speaker 2: that was trying to butter you up. He was trying
Speaker 2: to but oh wait, I get out of here, dude.
Speaker 2: Oh never like any now, Oh this dude's killing should
Speaker 2: have been taking that butter. I wouldn't because that suckers
Speaker 2: doing right now.
Speaker 5: But I think, uh this yeah slate, Uh Girley was
Speaker 5: Offensive Player of the Year of the year before this,
Speaker 5: so okay, this team started eight.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 5: Also, I had notable wins. That crazy Monday night game
Speaker 5: over the Chiefs. Remember that one the shootout, Yeah, call
Speaker 5: it like fifty fifty four fifty one wild. That was
Speaker 5: a big game for him. That year, Aaron Donald led
Speaker 5: the league in sacks and a half.
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, I just like to go
Speaker 1: on record and saying in my book, he's top three
Speaker 1: defensive player all time. And on that list is LT.
Speaker 1: Reggie White and Aaron Who's.
Speaker 2: The fourth, Who's the Who's the mount Rushmore?
Speaker 5: But those all big guys.
Speaker 1: You know, I give you you almost gotta you almost
Speaker 1: got to make a separate list, right, But those three
Speaker 1: guys changed the way the game is played and looked at.
Speaker 1: I mean LT is LT. I mean his name will
Speaker 1: be as long as we're talking about football, we'll be
Speaker 1: talking about LT.
Speaker 2: Can you remember any LT stories from Bill?
Speaker 1: I don't know that I want to repeat those. This
Speaker 1: guy loved, he loves LT. He love and rightfully so,
Speaker 1: rightfully so. And then Reggie is like, if you ask
Speaker 1: my dad, Reggie is the best because he had to
Speaker 1: go battle against them. But to be you know, six five,
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds and move like that and be that,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that we've seen a player
Speaker 1: with that physical makeup. And then this joker now.
Speaker 2: Here is he got that?
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett has it, But I mean Miles Garrett don't
Speaker 1: have that hump move like my man had that hump
Speaker 1: Like he's throwing three hundred pounders out the club and
Speaker 1: one arm, you know. And and this joker here, the
Speaker 1: ceren Donal. Now, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: Which we'll get into it to the game which makes
Speaker 2: it this This game was so impressive with how our
Speaker 2: offensive line handled him. Oh my god, shout out Joe Toney,
Speaker 2: Joe Toney had one stoned him twice on the driver.
Speaker 1: We needed best guard, best guarden football.
Speaker 5: Mister Slaterer would have been proud, no doubt.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how about Joe Tuney's career, best guarden football
Speaker 1: right now? And how many super Bowl does this guy won?
Speaker 2: He's gonna yet?
Speaker 1: Five?
Speaker 9: Yet?
Speaker 1: Five? He got five, He's got all of them with
Speaker 1: This was his last year with us, but he didn't
Speaker 1: win the fourteen one.
Speaker 5: He's got four, he's got four.
Speaker 2: He's got far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, this guy's this guy's about to win.
Speaker 1: This guy's.
Speaker 2: He's a stud.
Speaker 1: He is great.
Speaker 5: A little more on this Rams team. Some notable coaches
Speaker 5: we talked about. Wade Phillips, D C. McVeigh was the
Speaker 5: de facto OC another Patriots got. They had Jed Fish
Speaker 5: on this staff. Jack Taylor, current Bengals coach, was a
Speaker 5: quarterbacks coach on this one. John Fossil's Boom Games coach,
Speaker 5: shut up booms and it was it was only mcvey's
Speaker 5: second season as the head coach. Was like three three yeah,
Speaker 5: full boy genius, like with Jules and I were watching
Speaker 5: on the patio that two days ago, the NFL films version,
Speaker 5: and like he was full on like starstruck by Bill.
Speaker 5: Before the game, it really felt like it didn't it.
Speaker 2: So we were watching just to research this, and we
Speaker 2: were watching the NFL films on why the Patriots won.
Speaker 2: I mean, you would never have thought today that Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick is is Bill Belichick? After watching that, this is
Speaker 2: this guy's the best. He says, like the greatest coach.
Speaker 5: Of all time.
Speaker 2: Now Raheem Morris is getting a job that media media
Speaker 2: turns on you. He told us that, remember that quick.
Speaker 2: He told us that there's gonna be a nay immedia.
Speaker 1: Turns on me. Hey, they have turn Now those joking
Speaker 1: to me. The people in media control the narrative and
Speaker 1: the conversation and what happens in our league way more
Speaker 1: than they should, way more than they should. I'm convinced
Speaker 1: of that. That's a different pod though.
Speaker 8: That's the do we fight against that and we like
Speaker 8: to celebrate awesome players in awesome games.
Speaker 4: No narrative bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I'm sitting here on this pod.
Speaker 1: I respect the host and the host people.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the New England Patriots. Set the stage,
Speaker 2: where's Jackie?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 5: We go eleven and five New England Patriots. A lot
Speaker 5: of dudes on this.
Speaker 2: Team fort not our best team.
Speaker 5: It was interesting with with some of the the sort
Speaker 5: of back to back there were two two game losing streaks,
Speaker 5: which is very uncharacteristic in one season.
Speaker 2: For the lost in December, I think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was that loss to the Steelers in December,
Speaker 5: and then previous week was the miracle in Miami, which
Speaker 5: we we know we shall not speak of Dola Bolden.
Speaker 1: Goshlden had two long tugs. Oh my god.
Speaker 5: And then earlier he's still.
Speaker 2: Fast, looks good God they said, is he was gone
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Ago and guy has been overcoming the odds so whole time.
Speaker 5: And then uh, Week two and three were lost at
Speaker 5: Jacksonville and then a lost to Maddy p that Monday
Speaker 5: night game in Detroit. So those were two double digit
Speaker 5: back to back losses, which was very uncharacteristic of a
Speaker 5: Patriots team.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the Titans.
Speaker 5: And then in the middle of the season, yeah week
Speaker 5: ten years oh there that Titans lost by twenty four
Speaker 5: overcame overcame and found our our rhythm. Eighth straight AFC
Speaker 5: East I or a trade AFC Championship appearing. Sorry, this
Speaker 5: was coming off a season where lost to the Chris
Speaker 5: Long led Eagles. Unfortunately, some notable rookies on this team,
Speaker 5: Isaiah win Sony Michelle, who was huge down the Strea
Speaker 5: Big Four, lost Cooks and Dola in the off season,
Speaker 5: which which was a bummer. Jewels started the season suspended
Speaker 5: bummer on vacation. Slate re signed prior to this season,
Speaker 5: which we love. Two year deal.
Speaker 1: Almost left where Pittsburgh really to Pittsburgh. Huh yeah, they were,
Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to harball me negotiations. Oh, they
Speaker 1: almost had to get out. I almost had to pull
Speaker 1: emergency shoot get out Steel City Digress. I don't mean
Speaker 1: to cut you off there, Jack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, man, I love that. I was always curious.
Speaker 1: I get the call in the airport. Yeah, needless sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, Look, we don't need agents here, like like Slate,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna tell him. He's gonna tell Nick. Why
Speaker 2: don't we just get this thing done exactly how I go,
Speaker 2: exactly exactly how the coach. I just want my agent
Speaker 2: to handle it.
Speaker 1: Look, Coach, I don't understand the numbers. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand. Knowing full well, I know all
Speaker 1: the numbers every coach. I don't know the numbers. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know it's getting paid.
Speaker 5: What Hey. Thankfully Slate came back. Lost, Dola lost, Soldier lost,
Speaker 5: Butler lost, Dion Lewis all the free agency, lost a
Speaker 5: lot of guys. But we had CP we had Slate,
Speaker 5: we had Devlin was two huge this year. High Tower
Speaker 5: was huge this year. Kyle van Noy was a beast
Speaker 5: this year. Patrick chungk had both the mccordions and Coties
Speaker 5: needed him, needed.
Speaker 1: Needed both of them.
Speaker 2: And then this was the play of the game, no doubt.
Speaker 5: This was the year we almost lost kind of did
Speaker 5: for like a day. Uh McDaniels to Indy. Oh remember
Speaker 5: that famous story you're day in the bathroom or whatever
Speaker 5: in the bathroom for an hour or wasn't that the
Speaker 5: story I got about that? Yeah, he came back.
Speaker 2: That was next year or that was last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So prior to this season, I was at that Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I was trying. I was trying to sit in that
Speaker 2: box with guys. That's your guy, fun intended, that is
Speaker 2: your guy though is Yeah, guys like, oh I got
Speaker 2: an extra ticket, I'm sitting in the colts box. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, I get in there. I'm you know, eating
Speaker 2: some French onion dip, enjoying the pregame festivities. Get a
Speaker 2: tap on my shoulder, sir, you can't sit in this box.
Speaker 1: Booted me.
Speaker 5: Got a lot of nerves. Wow, I actually.
Speaker 1: Respected it because you probably would have done the same
Speaker 1: thing if you were him. Nah, you to let Cooper
Speaker 1: cup comes sit in your box.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like Coop. I interviewed him for the Fox
Speaker 5: this year.
Speaker 1: Baby, let's Coop. We used to a good dude.
Speaker 5: He is, he's training together, man, And before we get
Speaker 5: into this game, gotta give a little shine to the
Speaker 5: rest of the coaching staff. This was an all time
Speaker 5: star studied Pat's coaching staff Joe Judge, Scar Ivan fears
Speaker 5: Chaddy O'Shea who he talked about earlier, Nick Kayley, b
Speaker 5: Flow Ziegler, and uh DeMarcus Covington who's now the d C.
Speaker 5: Had a lot of a lot of dudes, a lot
Speaker 5: of good brain trust guys in there.
Speaker 1: By the way, one guy you cannot leave off that
Speaker 1: coaching staff Brendan Daily, who by the way, has won
Speaker 1: six Super bowls NOWT won with US Kansas City. Insane
Speaker 1: BD choking mine end up with ten of those bad boys.
Speaker 2: I remember he came from Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Right there was something like to Minnesota to hear it.
Speaker 2: Was boys with Chad Yes because they were always close. Yes,
Speaker 2: And then went to k went back to Kansas City.
Speaker 1: All he does is win.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, he was. He's had quite the coaching career.
Speaker 5: Vikings Rams Vikings Patriots in now Kansas.
Speaker 2: City Vikings Rams Vikings.
Speaker 8: Also Ryan Allen, Joe Cardona, and Steven Gotkowska on this.
Speaker 4: Team as well.
Speaker 1: Ryan Allen game of his life. Shout out Ryan Allen.
Speaker 1: Cut his tail off.
Speaker 8: Then we drafted another punter, Jewels Often like tells a
Speaker 8: story about winning is fun coming off the Eagles.
Speaker 4: You have your perspective on that whole like winning.
Speaker 1: His fun, but on the whiteboard, yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I'm in agreement with Julian on this. Like clearly winning
Speaker 1: is fun for a long time and it continues to
Speaker 1: be the case. People were taking shots at what we
Speaker 1: had going on over here, like you know, they don't
Speaker 1: do this, they don't do that. That's not fun. This
Speaker 1: is not fun. Like, first of all, fun is not
Speaker 1: the top priority grown man. If I want to have fun,
Speaker 1: I'll take my kids to Disneyland. But what is fun
Speaker 1: is winning football. What is not fun? It's going forward
Speaker 1: to thirteen so I can tell you winning football games,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like it. And to be able to do
Speaker 1: that with people that you care about, to be able
Speaker 1: to build relationships, to be able to you know, do
Speaker 1: all those things, and to put winning on top is
Speaker 1: like the cherry. I mean, there's nothing better than winning
Speaker 1: this league.
Speaker 2: But you remember I had to go away for my
Speaker 2: vacation right when I left because of all the talks
Speaker 2: I put on the whiteboard.
Speaker 1: Winning is fun, winning is fun, which stayed up there
Speaker 1: for long, all that season, all that season, and may
Speaker 1: have even carried over afterwards, but stayed there. No truer
Speaker 1: words have ever been spoken.
Speaker 8: If you win and become MVP, you also get to
Speaker 8: go to Disneyland.
Speaker 1: Correct, And you get to host podcasts, and you get
Speaker 1: to live in just sick cribs.
Speaker 2: So you know you should see slates newly built crib
Speaker 2: over and where's it?
Speaker 1: Then it's okay, It's.
Speaker 2: It's not like yeah right, Jack, Let's get the game
Speaker 2: lead up, all right, the lead.
Speaker 5: Up to this game. We're talking title games here. These
Speaker 5: are two memorable ones the NFC title. The Rams went
Speaker 5: down then Orleans and beat them on that controversial no
Speaker 5: pass interference call him.
Speaker 1: Brutal, just little brutal.
Speaker 4: The worst in that call was then the challenging p
Speaker 4: I the year after.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was like a defensive receiver
Speaker 2: hit too.
Speaker 5: It was wild.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 5: P I either one of them, which is crazy, bad, insane.
Speaker 5: And then we can't forget.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody's gotta fire one of them refs. Now,
Speaker 1: I gotta start docking these jokers with their miss calls
Speaker 1: like that. And I can say that because I'm no
Speaker 1: longer an employee of the NFL. The referee. We gotta go,
Speaker 1: come on, fellas, Yeah, we gotta do better than what
Speaker 1: we're doing.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's there are a group of referees
Speaker 2: that you like. Yeah, but there are a group of guys,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about, love that love that
Speaker 2: little authority, love that authority.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: They kind of try to got no back. Looking like
Speaker 2: a principal out there. You can't act like a principal.
Speaker 2: You gotta have a relationship with the guys. It's in
Speaker 2: fire environment.
Speaker 1: You gotta have relationship with gotta have relationship, and a
Speaker 1: lot of you guys they like to sun us like,
Speaker 1: you know, like we're little kids and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I don't like I'm making twelve million dollars this year.
Speaker 1: Get the I never made no twelve million dollars. But
Speaker 1: I do know all this. If I'm thirty eight years
Speaker 1: old out there, I don't need you sonning me. I
Speaker 1: don't need like I'm a grown man. Okay. And then
Speaker 1: I also want to specifically call out the crew that
Speaker 1: Reugh freed our game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in
Speaker 1: two thousand and what year was that twenty one for
Speaker 1: calling me for a runn out of bounds when I
Speaker 1: forced the phone when we lost the game of Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Bucks. Whoever was on that crew, that was an
Speaker 1: atrocious call, one of the worst calls I've seen in
Speaker 1: my career. You you played a large role and calltion
Speaker 1: us that football game, and shame on you for that.
Speaker 2: And this is a man of integrity that doesn't do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we got on that, but Theugh ring.
Speaker 1: I got a big time issue with the ref ring.
Speaker 8: You know, I've heard like an internet like idea to
Speaker 8: have Reugh press conferences after the game.
Speaker 4: Hold account hold accountability.
Speaker 1: So we need more is a society, we need more
Speaker 1: account of Bill.
Speaker 5: That was a Bill Vinovich crew led uh crew that
Speaker 5: day in fox Borough?
Speaker 6: Was it? That was?
Speaker 2: But come on, Bill brother, the signs just like Harry,
Speaker 2: Oh God.
Speaker 1: Was that this year?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: Wait, ye, this is the year you lost.
Speaker 4: To the Titans. This is the next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was bad. That was which And then they
Speaker 1: said he stepped out of mounts.
Speaker 2: Oh he didn't.
Speaker 1: And before that there was like we lost that. That
Speaker 1: was like I've always wanted the blast. It feels good.
Speaker 1: It feels good to have the platform to do so
Speaker 1: let it spray.
Speaker 5: I love it. Back back to the lead up of
Speaker 5: this one, can't forget what the Patriots did in their
Speaker 5: AFC title game going into Arrowhead, winning that thing thirty
Speaker 5: seven thirty one in overtime.
Speaker 2: Favorite, no doubt, favorite win of my career, scoring reel
Speaker 2: unsuper unreal.
Speaker 1: Now, my man had a very controversial play in that
Speaker 1: game on a punt. He didn't touch it, but he
Speaker 1: attempted to fill a punt off the top, and because
Speaker 1: my man can't strap his gloves off the strap of
Speaker 1: his glove almost touched the wall. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys remember that. I remember, but we watched that
Speaker 1: play several times this year. You know, they had the
Speaker 1: Bears TV running and I remember going to him and I,
Speaker 1: did you touch it? Did you touch the ball?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't even touch it. I didn't haven't. I didn't
Speaker 1: try to touch it. And then I look up at
Speaker 1: the thing. Yes, you tried to touch it. You tried
Speaker 1: to fill the ball. Scoop that puppy. Make a play,
Speaker 1: play it on the first bounds. Doesn't matter. We won
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: We threw a pick the very next play.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 1: A ball doesn't lie. Situation didn't touch it. Might be
Speaker 1: I don't know. We won the game, doesn't matter. You
Speaker 1: were envy at the last game of the season. That's
Speaker 1: all that matters.
Speaker 7: And uh.
Speaker 5: Also, leading up to this game we mentioned earlier no
Speaker 5: Cooper Cup. This was also expected. Everybody was saying shootout, shootout.
Speaker 5: Great offense is great offense. Two good defenses, but awesome
Speaker 5: offenses like over under was set at fifty six points,
Speaker 5: didn't even come close. And there was also the age
Speaker 5: disparity conversation. You got Bill sixty six at the time
Speaker 5: of this game, McVeigh thirty three, Brady forty one, Golf
Speaker 5: forty four. So everyone, that's why making the young Bucks
Speaker 5: versus the old guard type type argument here.
Speaker 2: Keep it going.
Speaker 5: Jackie should get into the game a little bit here into.
Speaker 8: The game, all right, before we get into like what
Speaker 8: was was there any skotting report things to take a
Speaker 8: stop Aaron Donald stop?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, get a body on ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Stop Aaron Donald. Beat man coverage on third and short.
Speaker 2: That's why we dialed up the Beaver, which was like
Speaker 2: a longer pass play on a third and short, because
Speaker 2: we knew Wade Phillips knew what he was going to do.
Speaker 2: He's a very man coverage type play caller. And then
Speaker 2: they started trying to give a zone and then that's
Speaker 2: where they were matching me up on a linebacker on
Speaker 2: the juke routes, and so that's when it got eaten
Speaker 2: up and then they would go to the man. We
Speaker 2: just couldn't finish. We were moving the ball up and
Speaker 2: down the field. Just every time we got in the
Speaker 2: red area, you know, something went wrong. We couldn't finish play,
Speaker 2: We couldn't finish drives.
Speaker 5: But we were moving the ball.
Speaker 2: We were moving the ball, Like we were able to
Speaker 2: run the ball, what would we run for ninety four yards?
Speaker 10: Son?
Speaker 2: He had ninety four yards on eighteen carries. Rex had
Speaker 2: some big old runs, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: like we were running the football. We just you know,
Speaker 2: that's where these games come down to. It's situational football,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's red area. It's four point plays,
Speaker 2: which is third down in the red area. Guys that
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't score touchdowns in the red area,
Speaker 2: that's usually what separates to win. Now, we just so
Speaker 2: happened to have a killer defensive game plan and our
Speaker 2: guys went out there and x a cute it to
Speaker 2: a t and having the veteran presence of the mccordy's
Speaker 2: and the Jason mccordy coming over, having his first Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: you know, having Gilmore go out and play to the
Speaker 2: big contract that we got him, gave him, and that's
Speaker 2: why we fought the first day of practice because I
Speaker 2: was pissed off that I used to write him up
Speaker 2: as a bill and then we gave him fourteen. He
Speaker 2: played the way he should have played with the interception
Speaker 2: and then the force fumble like it was it was
Speaker 2: crazy with one.
Speaker 5: Less dread his hair and his head one.
Speaker 2: That's my dog, bro.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 2: I remember on the way back because Bill kicked us out.
Speaker 2: It was the first day of pads. It was it
Speaker 2: was the first day, early practice, early practice, early practice. Kickses,
Speaker 2: just get the fuck hit the showers at home, and
Speaker 2: you too, Gilmore. By the time we're out, we're sitting
Speaker 2: in the shower in the locker room. You know, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: my bad, bro. You know, he's like, you know, Gilly
Speaker 2: doesn't really yeah.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, man, it's all right, you know, Like
Speaker 1: it was, Oh man.
Speaker 5: What do you you guys remember anything in particular about
Speaker 5: the lead up to this one Super Bowl prep wise,
Speaker 5: game plan wise that we didn't touch yet.
Speaker 2: We just were constantly talking about getting Aaron Donald protected.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. The whole team knew that.
Speaker 2: Though we were just talking about higher team knew we
Speaker 2: had we can't get Aaron. If we don't get Aaron
Speaker 2: Donald will lose the game.
Speaker 1: And that was the truth and that's still the truth.
Speaker 1: If you play those guys. You got a block ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Blocking ninety nine was huge. Red area. I remember us
Speaker 2: talking about red area. We got a score points which
Speaker 2: we didn't do very well on. You know, and those
Speaker 2: are the two things that come to my mind.
Speaker 1: Anything else special, And I know for us, like playing
Speaker 1: against Bones, you know, you always had to be fake sound.
Speaker 1: The Rams ran a lot of fakes with Johnny Hecker.
Speaker 2: He's a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he can he can throw the ball.
Speaker 1: Now this kid can throw the ball. So we just
Speaker 1: were talking about fake adjustments all week, being fake sound.
Speaker 1: It got to the point, I mean we changed our
Speaker 1: what we were gonna do our checks maybe two or
Speaker 1: three times. It got to the point where I remember
Speaker 1: looking over at Nate Edner and I was just like,
Speaker 1: hey man, when we get out there, just make sure
Speaker 1: we got a hat on a hat like we're probably
Speaker 1: gonna screw the call up because we've gone through it
Speaker 1: so many times. Just make sure everybody's accounted for when
Speaker 1: we get out there. And uh, and you know, let's
Speaker 1: try to make a play. Little did we know that
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a fifteen punt extravaganza. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that fake sound was preached all week in our room.
Speaker 2: What do you think of McVeigh at this time, because
Speaker 2: he had the whole boy gen respect for him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it was our age.
Speaker 1: He was Our age was just wild. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: older than the guy.
Speaker 2: We played against, the same age.
Speaker 1: Just the fact that he was able to get Jared
Speaker 1: Goff turned around right like we played Jared Golf in sixteen.
Speaker 1: They came to us and you just didn't see it.
Speaker 1: And then this year and the year before that, you're like, man,
Speaker 1: this is a different player. So to me, that was
Speaker 1: very impressive because I don't think we have enough coaches
Speaker 1: in the league that can develop young quarterbacks. And then
Speaker 1: the way he had this offense rolling, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you thought we were going to be in for a
Speaker 1: long day.
Speaker 5: And then to start the game, this was down in Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Can't start a game without a coin toss. Slate two
Speaker 5: and three in coin tosses in Super Bowls, but they
Speaker 5: lost every game that Slate won the coin toss, which
Speaker 5: is a weird stat.
Speaker 2: Heads, baby, Okay.
Speaker 1: So you lost, so I needed I lost, Yes, okay.
Speaker 5: But I will note you were one for one in
Speaker 5: overtime coin tosses. That's when it matters.
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game right week before, two weeks before, that's
Speaker 1: when it matters. Byby give it heads always right, never
Speaker 1: always tails.
Speaker 2: Was Dad feeling at this this game?
Speaker 1: He was given the most political answer all week. You know,
Speaker 1: either way it goes, I'm in a win win situation,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how can you say that? He goes,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta, I gotta kind of they flew
Speaker 1: down there on the RAMS plane. Oh, they flew down
Speaker 1: there on the RAMS plane. They flew You know, he's
Speaker 1: working for the Rams all year doing media stuff. So
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to tow the line, like
Speaker 1: he didn't want to rock the boat with the Rams,
Speaker 1: which I respect. I mean, look, the Rams provided for
Speaker 1: my education growing up, So I got love for the Rams.
Speaker 1: But you know, come on, Pop, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: draw a hard line in the sand. It Stanley, you
Speaker 1: get family. Now, he was down on the field, he
Speaker 1: had the hats, he was so rating all and then
Speaker 1: he had to fly back on the plane. I don't
Speaker 1: compromise him right now, but he had to fly back
Speaker 1: on the plane, and so he had to act real
Speaker 1: sad the next day, getting up getting back on the plane.
Speaker 4: But do you think had the Rams won, he would
Speaker 4: have shut up to the Rams party.
Speaker 11: Oh he'd have been in there and then dancing around
Speaker 11: he'd have been dappling up there.
Speaker 1: And on the whole game. Oh that was weird. That
Speaker 1: was really weird for our family. I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 1: like my dad at this point had a you know,
Speaker 1: forty year relationship with the RAM, so it was a
Speaker 1: strange situation for sure.
Speaker 5: He doesn't strike me as a split Jersey guy either,
Speaker 5: like the moms that were the half of.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's not doing that. He's not doing that.
Speaker 1: He ain't doing that.
Speaker 5: Oh man, all right. We talked a little bit about
Speaker 5: moving that ball in the first half and pretty much
Speaker 5: throughout the whole game. But we started this thing half
Speaker 5: after the coin toss a Brady interception. What is it
Speaker 5: with Tom in those early Super Bowl interceptions? I don't know,
Speaker 5: but that's how this one started.
Speaker 1: I'm not critiquing. I'm not taking either towns the best
Speaker 1: player in the history game.
Speaker 5: The d bailed him out with a stop on a
Speaker 5: three and out many of those. This game. Followed it
Speaker 5: up with a nice eleven play drive, really moving the ball,
Speaker 5: jewels you were getting open, but ended up with a
Speaker 5: Steve o missfield goal. Remained nothing nothing at the end
Speaker 5: of the first moving into the second, we finally got
Speaker 5: on the board with the Steve o forty two yarder
Speaker 5: and then the story of this game, so many punts
Speaker 5: we're talking here, fourteen total punts, eight alone in the
Speaker 5: first half. Five of those were off three and outs.
Speaker 5: So defenses were both playing hard and it was a
Speaker 5: feel bag game.
Speaker 1: I mean, inside the we were loving that. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie to y'all. We love to be able to
Speaker 1: go out there and do our job, and you know,
Speaker 1: we really got in a groove. I think early in
Speaker 1: that game, Ryan was hitting the ball with confidence. I
Speaker 1: think we got him inside the ten a number of times,
Speaker 1: which ended up being you know, a big part of
Speaker 1: this game was that hitting yardage and keeping their offense
Speaker 1: on a long field. But you know, you got to
Speaker 1: shout out Ryan Allen for the game that he had.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of the best punting performances
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And then for us, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of the situations that we were in, we were
Speaker 1: on singles, which we love as gunners, and we were
Speaker 1: just able to run and make play. So it was awesome.
Speaker 2: Is that a political that is that you see? You
Speaker 2: see when Slake gets into the coach mode, you see
Speaker 2: his voice octavetes like three three deeper.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to you know, right, yeah, yo, yeah, Fellows.
Speaker 1: Fellows. He used to always get on me about my
Speaker 1: voice changing octaves, But like you know, you gotta use
Speaker 1: the appropriate active at the appropriate time.
Speaker 2: I need these appropriate time to go over the state
Speaker 2: of the union. What's the state of the union?
Speaker 1: We used to you want to stay, you want to
Speaker 1: talk state of the Union right now?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We got all day. You know, we used to have
Speaker 1: these state of the Union talks or where Julian and
Speaker 1: I would go in private and openly discuss what we
Speaker 1: really felt like was going on with the team, the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, certain guys on the team, and you know,
Speaker 1: the state of the union addresses started when we were
Speaker 1: living together. And probably the most the single most important
Speaker 1: state of the Union that we ever had was after
Speaker 1: we got throttled on Monday Night football by the Chiefs
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, and ships we came back to the
Speaker 1: house and I was falling. I mean, it was a
Speaker 1: chicken little situation.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: The TV folks were saying that Tom was washed, that
Speaker 1: we were done. Trent Dilfer, who I just saw a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, and reminded me of this.
Speaker 11: He was on he was on air and he's like,
Speaker 11: the dynasty is over. It's over, just crushing us. And
Speaker 11: you know we're not young, but we were kind of young,
Speaker 11: and we're like, man, we are.
Speaker 1: We are, we through, We're looking.
Speaker 2: We were just sitting there. The turk is coming overhaul
Speaker 2: the whole roster.
Speaker 1: It's Bill. It's Bill gonna cut us. But uh, needless
Speaker 1: to say, we're on the Cincinnati. Yeah, but that's the
Speaker 1: State of the un But it.
Speaker 2: Would be so funny, like if something went down in
Speaker 2: the building, so Slate would be in. We'd be in
Speaker 2: the same meetings some of the times, and the Slate
Speaker 2: would be going to special teams and we'd be passioning
Speaker 2: each other in the hallway, like on the way the cafeteria,
Speaker 2: like treatment or something. I'd be like, you have State
Speaker 2: of the Union. After State of the Union, he was like,
Speaker 2: state the Union. I'm like, state of the Union, State
Speaker 2: of the fucking Union. And we would wait until we
Speaker 2: left the premises of the ground. As we got older, yeah,
Speaker 2: as we got older. As we got older, we we
Speaker 2: we we we we we stayed on the ground, right.
Speaker 1: But when we were young, you can't have a state
Speaker 1: of Union on the ground. Absolutely, place might be both.
Speaker 1: You can't never take that off site yet stay of
Speaker 1: the union off side.
Speaker 2: We go into the car.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, was state of the Union one one?
Speaker 1: There's always one, one, one one one. You can't you
Speaker 1: can't bring so many parties in the state of anything.
Speaker 1: The information leaks, you know, loose you know, loose lips.
Speaker 1: Think ships sink ships, and we won our ships sinking.
Speaker 2: After every State of the Union, we felt like the
Speaker 2: ship was.
Speaker 1: Seeking the ship.
Speaker 2: The outlook was always pulled the worst. I don't know,
Speaker 2: this is not like we are done our big union.
Speaker 2: After that we won three Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Perspective exact exactly?
Speaker 4: Do you guys remember your last State of.
Speaker 1: The Union might have been a state of the Union
Speaker 1: about the neat me.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I could do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was tough. That was tough for me
Speaker 1: because at that point in time, you know, I had
Speaker 1: two work wives in my career, Julian and mccordy.
Speaker 2: Who's the main who was the mainstay?
Speaker 3: It was Julian was the primary work. You tell mccorty,
Speaker 3: he the side piece. Okay, he's a side piece.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, what when how about demon wearing all
Speaker 2: three of his rings on his on his show? Because
Speaker 2: here are wearing rings on the show.
Speaker 1: Broh, D mat Man the I yeah, I mean we
Speaker 1: got him. I guess we're supposed to wear them for banquets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mine in lockdown, got a bank wearing mine.
Speaker 2: You give it to like a Pop Warner team to
Speaker 2: look at. Yeah the National TV.
Speaker 1: Did he have on?
Speaker 2: He had multiple times.
Speaker 1: Dat we gotta talk about. But you know dmat was
Speaker 1: also wearing a shirt was his own hit on there,
Speaker 1: So you know the modesty's gone.
Speaker 12: You know what?
Speaker 1: J Ma that J J Mack.
Speaker 2: J Mack classy guy.
Speaker 1: So what he's saying, I don't know. I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that old talking all class? In my book?
Speaker 1: Man all class?
Speaker 2: Now he's classy, but he's just nasshole. J Max is
Speaker 2: just a loving league.
Speaker 1: I got grass. Okay, my work wife is going out
Speaker 1: with his knee and I'm in a pan. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to hold the front. I'm trying to act. Hey man,
Speaker 1: you know, hey man, just get keep doing a rehab,
Speaker 1: keep getting it treated. You gotta just keep keep fighting.
Speaker 1: Then I go talk to the trainers. And they'd be
Speaker 1: like his knees done and I'm and I'm panicing, what
Speaker 1: do you mean it's done? He's like, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's getting any better. But that was a tough staying
Speaker 1: that was tough. But you went out on your shield. Man.
Speaker 1: You had your highest yard yardage game of your career
Speaker 1: that last year.
Speaker 2: Remember, I was trying to come back. And I remember
Speaker 2: my last practice because after that we weren't even playoff
Speaker 2: Freddie and I was like, I'm not pushing this thing.
Speaker 2: The last practice, I just I just wanted to get
Speaker 2: Gilmour one more time, one on ones. I went out
Speaker 2: just for one on ones. I got Little Miles on
Speaker 2: a double move. Then I got Gilmore and I literally
Speaker 2: after I got Gilmore, I just chucked the deuces and
Speaker 2: went to the pool. It was the last time I
Speaker 2: was ever seen as a New England Patriot.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you went to the Wills fall off. That's
Speaker 1: what we always said, go to Wills fall off.
Speaker 2: You gotta go to the Willis fall off. Now are
Speaker 2: you surprised at the paces this terrible game? By this time,
Speaker 2: I mean we were a full tangent. I forgot what
Speaker 2: we're talking about the game you know, I was loving it.
Speaker 1: I was loving the way the game was Evanon flown
Speaker 1: because we were having a lot of opportunities to impact
Speaker 1: the game. But I was surprised because their offense was
Speaker 1: so potent. Obviously our offense was was really motoring at
Speaker 1: this time. I was surprised at how slow the game
Speaker 1: was developing and how well the defenses were playing, you know.
Speaker 2: There. I watched this game and there was just crazy
Speaker 2: plays by so many guys on the defense. High Tower
Speaker 2: literally brought the thunder February, you know, Like I just
Speaker 2: remember there was like three plays in a row where
Speaker 2: they were trying to bring that tight end in to
Speaker 2: get the the backer and he literally put them on
Speaker 2: their butt like three times. The van Ney chip and
Speaker 2: then Chase of Golf.
Speaker 1: On that big That was a great player by Kyle,
Speaker 1: Like I was a great play there was.
Speaker 2: And then you know Gilmore with the pick when we
Speaker 2: needed it, Jason mccordy with you know, the pat out
Speaker 2: at the backside post with the adjustment that they put in,
Speaker 2: you know, because they already got beat by that and
Speaker 2: they let it go. Remember, like there was just so
Speaker 2: much the defense played their nuts off, like it really
Speaker 2: did man, this is exactly how Bill wanted it.
Speaker 1: He loved it, loved it.
Speaker 2: It was we were in control of the game even
Speaker 2: though we.
Speaker 1: Weren't right and I mean to the fan, honestly, for me,
Speaker 1: and we played in five Super Bowls, to me, this
Speaker 1: was the most comfortable I ever felt during the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean every other game was a struggle. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like, man, I don't know, we it always
Speaker 1: felt like we were in control of the game.
Speaker 2: Felt like we were in control even though the score was.
Speaker 1: Close, and you know it was a tight ball game.
Speaker 1: It felt like this is transpartent, just the way we wanted.
Speaker 5: So, I mean the first half alone, defense was incredible.
Speaker 5: Held the rams of fifty seven yards, only two first downs,
Speaker 5: record loads for Sean McVay. First time he'd ever been
Speaker 5: shut out in the half of football, which is or
Speaker 5: first half of football, which is crazy jewels. Seven catches
Speaker 5: in the first first the Super Bowl record. Six of
Speaker 5: those seven were for first downs. Pretty sick. Jim Nantz
Speaker 5: was loving it. They go into the My.
Speaker 1: Man was running some round. He talk about beating man covers.
Speaker 1: You were run some ounce that just the the average Joe.
Speaker 1: That's why that knees gone because that knee was working
Speaker 1: that night. I think it was my knees were hurting
Speaker 1: just watching it. I look at the highlights, I see
Speaker 1: my dog cutting. I'm like, oh my my meniscous, my
Speaker 1: icl hurt just watching. He was running some routes that night.
Speaker 5: A half up three nothing, What was what was up
Speaker 5: in the halftime? Any adjustments anything big? We remember? Standard standard.
Speaker 2: It was just a standard like fellas we you know
Speaker 2: we're not playing our best. We just tighten up little
Speaker 2: things in the red area, just keep playing each play,
Speaker 2: trying to win one play at a time. You can't
Speaker 2: win it, and you know you can't win the game
Speaker 2: in one play, like that's the That was the mantra, like,
Speaker 2: let's just do our job every play and then line
Speaker 2: up and do it again. That's right, communication, execution, and.
Speaker 1: It sounds simple, but it's hard to carry out. And
Speaker 1: you know, that's the one thing we did better than
Speaker 1: everybody for the time we were there. We were able
Speaker 1: to execute.
Speaker 5: Come out in the third quarter, let him tie it
Speaker 5: up on a Greg de leg field goal. And another
Speaker 5: thing there was was big. A lot of people don't
Speaker 5: talk about enough. Jung gets hurt goes out, we lose
Speaker 5: him Chung.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was big air.
Speaker 5: Cast on the arm.
Speaker 2: That's like some Rodney Harrison.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Chung brought such a level of like toughness and competes
Speaker 1: to our team and just intangibles that you don't really
Speaker 1: celebrate or talk about. That was a big loss when
Speaker 1: he went out of the game, Like I felt emotionally,
Speaker 1: I felt, yeah, that was a blow that we had
Speaker 1: to kind of overcome.
Speaker 2: You know, you couldn't have explained it any better with
Speaker 2: what he brought to the team, with his toughness, with
Speaker 2: how he practiced.
Speaker 5: For the first three years of my career, me and
Speaker 5: Chung was.
Speaker 2: Fought every day every day because you know, there's like
Speaker 2: an agreement when you're going into block force and he
Speaker 2: was always the forced safety, you know, and he never
Speaker 2: agreed to the agreement, and I never agreed to the agreement.
Speaker 2: So we were literally banging heads for three years every
Speaker 2: day and like it was just and but it made
Speaker 2: us better, Yeah, it did, you know. And that's what
Speaker 2: Chung was.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 2: He worked his tail off. He was always dependable when
Speaker 2: the team needed it. And it's crazy when you can
Speaker 2: literally say that about pretty much everyone that was on
Speaker 2: the field, right, you know, and that's why the team
Speaker 2: was special. We're special.
Speaker 5: And then moving into the fourth quarter, there's the first
Speaker 5: time in Super Bowl history where we don't have a
Speaker 5: touchdown in the game yet Wow, three to three Patriots
Speaker 5: get the ball with nine thirty nine left in the fourth.
Speaker 5: We got the drive that pretty much wins this game.
Speaker 5: We're starting on our own thirty one, starting out with
Speaker 5: a great pass to Gronk, then jeweles and Rexburghead gets involved,
Speaker 5: and then the play that one of the defining plays
Speaker 5: of this game in my mind was that hass Z juke. Right,
Speaker 5: see the Gronk.
Speaker 2: Three plays in a row or four times in a row,
Speaker 2: they hit me on the juke, they hit what Rex
Speaker 2: on the outside yep. And then the one time when
Speaker 2: when they hit Rex, we saw that they gave us
Speaker 2: single safety. And when you get single safety on that play,
Speaker 2: that's why we you know, you see a highlight of
Speaker 2: Gronk hitting the seam running, you know, and and that's
Speaker 2: when it happened. You know, it was crazy. We could run.
Speaker 2: That was like we used to call that play Jordan.
Speaker 2: You know that was Jordan because it was it was
Speaker 2: our safety blanket. We could run it against anything. Everyone
Speaker 2: knew how to run it. Everyone ran their specific route
Speaker 2: so many times where you knew how to get open
Speaker 2: on every coverage.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, No, I love that was
Speaker 5: one of my favorite Gronk moments of all time personally, you.
Speaker 1: Know, shout out Gronk because you know, this year was
Speaker 1: tough for him, especially towards the end. He was banged
Speaker 1: up physically, he was just beat up, and what he
Speaker 1: really embraced was like, all right, I'm gonna just become
Speaker 1: a dominant blocker and then you know, when we needed
Speaker 1: plays in the past game, he just always found a
Speaker 1: way to rise to the occasion. And to me, that's
Speaker 1: what that's what makes him the best because when it
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect for him, when he was hurting, he found
Speaker 1: ways to make plays.
Speaker 5: And like in this game, my man was.
Speaker 1: Hurting, hurt, he was hurting, but when we needed him,
Speaker 1: he found a way. Joker found a way to make
Speaker 1: a play.
Speaker 2: Always did. And you know, people don't realize like he
Speaker 2: was probably half of himself that year. Oh like with
Speaker 2: just the physical and mental beatdown that he was having,
Speaker 2: because you got to think about it, I mean, Gronk
Speaker 2: was the most dominant human being for most of his
Speaker 2: life and then you know, confidence wise was probably a
Speaker 2: little shot when you know, he's banged up and he's
Speaker 2: going over rehabs every year, every year, and he was
Speaker 2: getting sick of it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Gronk's a big puppy man, you know, and for him
Speaker 2: to go out and show out like he did, and
Speaker 2: it started, you know, probably like week eighteen. You know,
Speaker 2: he started just putting them together and anytime we needed
Speaker 2: to play, Gronk made it. I mean, third down in
Speaker 2: ten in Kansas City, we hit him on the slint, know,
Speaker 2: just big time plays when the team needed it. Gronk
Speaker 2: always showed up no matter what. That's right, you know,
Speaker 2: even when he wasn't himself. And that's that's how you
Speaker 2: know if you're playing with great players, because it's kind
Speaker 2: of like Nascar.
Speaker 5: You always hear the.
Speaker 2: Drivers talking about like, yo, how's the car running? The
Speaker 2: cars running great today? You know there's sometimes a car
Speaker 2: ain't running good and you still got to win the race, right,
Speaker 2: you know, And that's what guys like Gronk, Guys like Tom.
Speaker 2: Tom had so many injuries that no one knew about,
Speaker 2: like broken broken feet and shit, you know like that.
Speaker 2: People don't even he tried to play with the aco.
Speaker 5: We all watched the doc.
Speaker 9: Like.
Speaker 2: To be able to adjust your game and still be
Speaker 2: able to perform at a high level is the ultimate
Speaker 2: sign of being a professional. Dy Amn Dola used to
Speaker 2: do it all the time. Break his ankle, come out
Speaker 2: taping his own ankle.
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you, dudes.
Speaker 5: And then before he wrap this thing up, we're getting
Speaker 5: down time here. This was another defining play from this game,
Speaker 5: From this second half, Slate's work. Brother in law Jason
Speaker 5: mccordy makes the game saving, the game saving play in
Speaker 5: my mind, one of them on Brandon Cooks in the
Speaker 5: back of the end zone.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, huge, huge play. I mean, the thing about
Speaker 1: this play that's so impressive is Jason has a responsibility.
Speaker 1: They're in zone coverage and this is not his responsibility.
Speaker 1: It is not his responsibility to be in the deep
Speaker 1: third and to be covering this route. But he has
Speaker 1: the experience and the preparation in the football IQ to say, O,
Speaker 1: this guy's back here, he's open. It's not my guy,
Speaker 1: but I better.
Speaker 4: Go get on him.
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't make this play, we may not
Speaker 1: even be sitting here talking about this. So this is
Speaker 1: a huge, huge play.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 2: The best play in my eyes was least play a
Speaker 2: game right type diving kill.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no no, take that knee, baby, that's playing football.
Speaker 1: Six tight diamond, take a knee that's playing That was
Speaker 1: right tight diving killed six tight in the sixth was
Speaker 1: Josh m Nail six tight diamond taking knee right tight.
Speaker 1: The only reason I know six tights because that's the
Speaker 1: only player, man.
Speaker 2: He's.
Speaker 1: Which. We had the Sea super Bowl, and there's like
Speaker 1: the scuffle at the the need for that.
Speaker 4: You're going all crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get jokers checked it. I was trying
Speaker 1: to get Michael Bennett and ejected through a pot full
Speaker 1: on through a pot full on tackle.
Speaker 4: Gronk too.
Speaker 1: Shout out Michael Bennett, one of my former teammates, but
Speaker 1: he no remember Michael came Oh he did.
Speaker 5: For Yeah, wasn't the story he and Brett Beilam. I
Speaker 5: didn't like you.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Michael came out and we used to have shells that
Speaker 2: you like on non padded days. He wore shells on
Speaker 2: a padded day. The man was He used to wear
Speaker 2: the smallest VT in that vet.
Speaker 5: He was super vet, super vet. Hold on before we
Speaker 5: wrapped this thing up. Win the game thirteen to three.
Speaker 5: This was This was a punt game. This is one
Speaker 5: of the greatest punting special team Super Bowls ever. Can
Speaker 5: we go through a couple of stats here? Yeah, Johnny
Speaker 5: Hecker sixty five yards Super Bowl record, Astik broke Ryan
Speaker 5: Allen's punts.
Speaker 1: Astik Pastrick rolled it, rolled about thirty yards, and I
Speaker 1: remember looking at Johnny and I looked at him. I
Speaker 1: was like, you, lucky, something got He just looked at me.
Speaker 2: At the old Scotty oo is probably back at home
Speaker 2: at the ranch yelling at it because I didn't play
Speaker 2: it off its first bounce.
Speaker 1: Oh what are you supposed to do? He shanked it
Speaker 1: and that rolled thirty yards.
Speaker 5: Shank mcdank, shank stick. He broke the previous record, which
Speaker 5: was held by Ryan Allen from the twenty fifteenth Super
Speaker 5: sixty four yards real record.
Speaker 1: I'm just playing, Johnny. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5: Fourteen total punts, six of which were down inside the
Speaker 5: twenty yard line. Ryan Allen had punts down on the six,
Speaker 5: the two, and the seven. Hecker had puns down on
Speaker 5: the eight the two in the twelve.
Speaker 1: Yard lines kind of wild.
Speaker 5: This was wild wild. To make it even wilder, backed
Speaker 5: up these two guys. I mean we're talking great roommates
Speaker 5: right here, Ryan Allen Johnny Hecker roommates at Oregon State. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Crazy, they get that that little rivalry because Ryan had
Speaker 1: to transfer, Johnny beat him out. Yeah, and then I
Speaker 1: think Ryan won like the Guy Award twice when he transferred.
Speaker 5: But there's always a little something.
Speaker 1: He's always they always had a little like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: what's that man? Like, No, I'm gonna get this guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, kickers, they're in their own world. They like they're cool,
Speaker 2: but they they're all competitive.
Speaker 1: They are very competitive. Wild.
Speaker 5: Soh yeah, this one goes down lowest scoring super Bowl history,
Speaker 5: thirteen to three, Pats win, Brady passes, Charles Haley six rings,
Speaker 5: most of any single player craziness. And then we got
Speaker 5: the after party of the aftermath.
Speaker 1: Golf was traded gone, which brings me back to my
Speaker 1: other point though Julian's point, winning is fun. If you
Speaker 1: don't win, you don't get one hundred percent. Julian Edelman, Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't get to.
Speaker 2: Ellen degenerous, shaving my beard, have that one.
Speaker 1: Shave your beard, you know with Tom right. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't get to experience all these things unless you win,
Speaker 1: so therefore winning is fun.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite parade story?
Speaker 1: I think our first parade against that Seattle team.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Now we won't get up, we won't get into the
Speaker 1: lead up and the build up and that, but we
Speaker 1: know what that build that was. Anyways, you know that
Speaker 1: Seattle team that was that That felt good to beat
Speaker 1: those guys because that team they were a little a
Speaker 1: little on the cocky side, little on the cocky side.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget you on top of the duck boat beard,
Speaker 1: out of control T shirt. It's freaking a tea freezy.
Speaker 1: There was somebody had a Richard Sherman sign where he
Speaker 1: was doing this and it and it said how many
Speaker 1: rings his brady had four? And you were up there
Speaker 1: interacting with the crowd and the fans and that sign.
Speaker 1: That was a good time.
Speaker 2: That was a good bueler day off full on after
Speaker 2: those ones are just chilled.
Speaker 5: Really, oh man, Jules, step back here. How do they
Speaker 5: tell you you want chipol and V be like, what's that?
Speaker 5: What's that? Process, like on the field, I think Stacy,
Speaker 5: can Stacey tell you?
Speaker 2: Let's see, I wouldn't be here without you so much.
Speaker 5: Boston for bringing another championship home.
Speaker 1: Trying to get the emotional open. Yes, that's when I
Speaker 1: was when I when I ask him about the m
Speaker 1: v P.
Speaker 2: Everyone together, six time champions?
Speaker 6: Are you.
Speaker 2: Crazy?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 1: MVP?
Speaker 2: She can't stay shure, We're only doing up there together.
Speaker 2: Oh man, have you noticed coach Belichick gate with his
Speaker 2: girl talk with that girl. We're together, baby, We're together.
Speaker 1: We're still here here, still here.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: You know that that that was to be able to
Speaker 1: have witnessed your entire professional journey, you know, highs, lows, everything.
Speaker 1: That was maybe the highest moment for me as your brother,
Speaker 1: as your fan, like you won the m v P,
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. We grew up watching this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: we grew up with a dream and to be able
Speaker 1: to make it to the biggest age and have that
Speaker 1: kind of success. It's just so proud of you.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm proud of you. Man who plays sixteen years football?
Speaker 1: I fooled him pretty good.
Speaker 2: Get out of here. Let's let's give you some some
Speaker 2: quick hitters. What's Tom's legacy after this game.
Speaker 1: I mean, in my mind he was already the greatest,
Speaker 1: but this just further cemented. Like, you know, if football
Speaker 1: is about winning and and quarterbacking is about leading your
Speaker 1: team to win, then there's no argument that this game
Speaker 1: solidified him as the greatest player of all time.
Speaker 2: Well what about the next super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Well the next super Bowl? The emotions are a little
Speaker 1: bit different. I was a little bit angry. He should
Speaker 1: be with us. He loved us, he loves us. Talk. Sorry,
Speaker 1: did he ever text you? And let you know?
Speaker 5: I found out through a bottom ticker.
Speaker 1: If he didn't text you, you know he didn't text me.
Speaker 1: Bottom left us.
Speaker 2: He's giving me clues, but he was always giving, He's
Speaker 2: always talking.
Speaker 1: That left us, then he's over there, him and Gronk
Speaker 1: hoisting another one up.
Speaker 2: Never got hammered with us, Oh, staggering off the boat,
Speaker 2: never got hoisted the embody throwing it, getting real cavalier
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: Come on, Tom, I was happy for you, does but
Speaker 1: he left us. He left us, left us at the altar.
Speaker 2: And what are you supposed to do? You're happy your
Speaker 2: ex wife, Mary is a freaking man, the Navy seal.
Speaker 5: Billionaire, But Navy seal billionaire.
Speaker 1: Oh no you're not.
Speaker 2: That's the last person you want your wife to marry.
Speaker 2: Navy seal billionaire.
Speaker 1: That's what he did to us. That's what he did.
Speaker 4: Don't you just wanted to be happy? What don't you
Speaker 4: just want your ex wife to be happy?
Speaker 2: Come on, we want you to be happy. Now of
Speaker 2: this game embody the Patriot way to the fullest or
Speaker 2: what slate?
Speaker 1: This team embodied it? Right, This was not our best team,
Speaker 1: but we found way used to come together, to overcome,
Speaker 1: to you know, adjust and to ultimately win. And we found,
Speaker 1: you know a way to like dig within ourselves and
Speaker 1: be at our best when it was needed. So to me,
Speaker 1: not just this game and the way it transpired, but
Speaker 1: the way this season unfolded really embodied the Patriot way,
Speaker 1: you know, as much as any season that I think
Speaker 1: we were a part of.
Speaker 2: So now where does this game rink for greatest Matthew
Speaker 2: Slater game?
Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean statistic wise too, do you have any
Speaker 2: tackles I had?
Speaker 1: I had a tackle this game. This is like a
Speaker 1: few down punts. So to the one handerlander, the one
Speaker 1: hand lander, one hander lander when I'll show my kids
Speaker 1: twenty years from now, just to remind them old dad
Speaker 1: used to be something. But this is up there. I
Speaker 1: mean because I think our unit, I mean your team
Speaker 1: individually it was special beat my dad's team being able
Speaker 1: to play well, but just our unit collectively, special teams.
Speaker 1: You know, Nate Keon, you know obviously, Ryan, Steve, Joe,
Speaker 1: all those guys. We've all played well and we helped
Speaker 1: the team win, which was huge.
Speaker 5: Geez.
Speaker 2: Was this Bill's best Super Bowl coaching?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's up there. I think if you look
Speaker 1: at the book end titles, right the first one against
Speaker 1: the Rams, I think that was some great code.
Speaker 2: What what about the Seattle where he didn't call the time.
Speaker 1: Out, creating a frenzy on this joking coach football nowt
Speaker 1: and a lot of this show was that's Jedi mind trick.
Speaker 1: Make no mistake about it. There are thirty you know,
Speaker 1: let's call it, well, maybe not thirty teams because some
Speaker 1: teams have good coaches. There are at least fifteen teams
Speaker 1: in the league that don't have a coach as good
Speaker 1: as this guy. They can't even sniffle I know, fifteen
Speaker 1: teams in the league.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, tell you right now, Atlanta, if
Speaker 2: you don't win that division.
Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to I don't want to point
Speaker 1: fingers at what the I'm just saying. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: a team. I'm not naming a team by name. I
Speaker 1: don't want to name a team. But the fact that
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't have a job.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go down to atl Man, go to
Speaker 2: the camps, taking the scene. Check out magic City.
Speaker 1: No, ain't no magic city over here. Now, ain't no
Speaker 1: magic city. No magic city, now shout it ain't no
Speaker 1: magic city. But uh yeah, man, it's This was definitely
Speaker 1: one of his all time I think great coaching performances.
Speaker 1: To shut that offense down, to come up with the
Speaker 1: game plan, to to really neutralize those guys. It goes
Speaker 1: up there for sure.
Speaker 2: Now, after this game, did you start to feel the
Speaker 2: sky in the its team was following out?
Speaker 1: Well, if we're honest, which is what we've been doing
Speaker 1: all day, seventeen was turbulent. There was turbulence in seventeen,
Speaker 1: and turbulence. Fasten your safety belts because that thing.
Speaker 2: Was a little rocky chunk. Ain't flying and not plane
Speaker 2: no more.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, PC I know you don't like flying.
Speaker 1: I learned that the hard way. But we were turbulent.
Speaker 1: Now now we were thirteen three super Bowl, but you know,
Speaker 1: it started with you getting hurt in the preseason and
Speaker 1: then there was just a lot of turbulence. Eighteen somehow
Speaker 1: we I don't know how, but we rallied up. We
Speaker 1: answered the bell nineteen. We're bringing her on in for landing,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And then and Aby didn't.
Speaker 5: Aby was we were on the Super Bowl. Ab was
Speaker 5: on the team.
Speaker 1: Aby was special.
Speaker 2: Man that that was one thing we needed because Gronk
Speaker 2: wasn't there, didn't have anything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It was good.
Speaker 1: But you know what really did a sin was when
Speaker 1: TV left us at the altar. Yeah, left us. TV
Speaker 1: left us. We were there. We were ready, ready to
Speaker 1: serve you, ready to go out there and die for you.
Speaker 1: Ain't left us.
Speaker 2: There ain't no twelve walking through that damn door.
Speaker 1: Ain't no twelve walking through that door. And I love Camp.
Speaker 1: I love Camp. I enjoyed my time with cam. My
Speaker 1: fashion definitely went up and he was a great person
Speaker 1: to be around. So this is not a knock on
Speaker 1: Cam Newton at all, because this is an MVP player elite,
Speaker 1: but twelve levels at the altar. It's called what it is. Yeah, Tom,
Speaker 1: don't worry. Thomas still got your jersey up in my
Speaker 1: office right next to my dad's. You always be my guy.
Speaker 1: But you left us.
Speaker 2: He had left us, probably done the same thing ready.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest, I thought you were going
Speaker 1: down there too. I thought all you jokers are gonna
Speaker 1: go down there, and I was, Oh, I would have
Speaker 1: been steamed. I mean, all of a sudden, Gonk wants
Speaker 1: to resurface out of retirement.
Speaker 2: Out just ball out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, Rob, But I get it. You
Speaker 1: know I'll joking a sign. I get it.
Speaker 5: We get it.
Speaker 1: Everything happened the way I was supposed to.
Speaker 2: How about this rumblings of Bill potentially joining.
Speaker 1: The media this year, Oh, that would be something. How
Speaker 1: do you think he'd do?
Speaker 5: Kill it?
Speaker 1: You think so?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so smart. You're watching all those NFL things.
Speaker 2: Whenever he does that stuff, it's a historical thing. He'll
Speaker 2: kill it. But I straight up told him if he
Speaker 2: if he goes out and doesn't come on this podcast,
Speaker 2: Games with Names, I took the shitty contracts. Okay, I
Speaker 2: worked my dick off Yeah, I was asshole here and
Speaker 2: there sometimes, and Poudy here and there. But I put
Speaker 2: on the work.
Speaker 1: He needs to be sitting right in the sea.
Speaker 5: I need coach right here.
Speaker 1: Especially if Ernie comes. If Ernie comes on the pond,
Speaker 1: he's gotta come, he's gotta come.
Speaker 2: You gotta get coach on the only one that goddamn
Speaker 2: media going to bat for him.
Speaker 1: Remember all year, all year down with the ship that
Speaker 1: was Amano.
Speaker 2: You went down with the ship I was.
Speaker 1: I was like one of those violin players on the Titanic.
Speaker 2: You were the guy violated.
Speaker 1: I'm playing that tune till I can't play it anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm going down. I'm committed to this ship, committed to
Speaker 1: the captain of the ship, and I'm going down with it.
Speaker 2: I was one of the lifeboat workers that had to,
Speaker 2: you know, go down with the lifeboat but still lived.
Speaker 2: But yeah, still with.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm fully gone.
Speaker 2: I can't no that ain't you You're the guy your captain, bro,
Speaker 2: you were in No, no, no, Bill's a captain.
Speaker 1: Bill's a captain. I'm just a part of that band,
Speaker 1: playing my tune all the way.
Speaker 2: Oh he went down last and all Jackie, we got
Speaker 2: he leftovers we missed anything.
Speaker 5: Was like a quick question, or was did this year
Speaker 5: feel like a different Bill? Or like was there was
Speaker 5: there a reason we're writing on the wall. I don't
Speaker 5: want to you mean this past season. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: want to pry too.
Speaker 1: Much, but no, I'm retired. You know, this year was tough.
Speaker 1: It was challenging, and the one thing of anything that
Speaker 1: I saw was that we know how competitive Bill is.
Speaker 1: He wants to win, not just every game, he wants
Speaker 1: to win every practice, every meeting, every lifting session, and
Speaker 1: it was hard for him not to win. It was
Speaker 1: hard for all of us, but no one put more
Speaker 1: time and effort and commitment into that program than Bill,
Speaker 1: So it was certainly hard for him to you know,
Speaker 1: experience that. It was hard for all of us. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, being in that building where we had so
Speaker 1: much success, to experience four and thirteen. It wasn't It
Speaker 1: wasn't fun. It was not fun. But the one thing
Speaker 1: I'll say about coach is he never changed. Like if
Speaker 1: you said in the team meeting week seventeen, we're playing
Speaker 1: the Jets, he's coaching us like it's the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: Like the consistency, the readiness, the preparation. It never changed,
Speaker 1: and that really gave me a great appreciation for who
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is.
Speaker 2: I think he softened up. I'm just saying, I remember
Speaker 2: when I was on my way out, I'm like, the
Speaker 2: fuck's going on around here? His plays getting soft? He
Speaker 2: tried to change. That's the problem. He tried to change
Speaker 2: with the times.
Speaker 1: Coaches just want to be on record for saying, I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I stay with you, united coach united
Speaker 1: to the end. That doesn't me and I agree with everything.
Speaker 2: Had your back tilled.
Speaker 1: He didn't agree with everything.
Speaker 2: I did, but sure, you know, but things got a
Speaker 2: little softer when I went on my way out. I'm
Speaker 2: just joking.
Speaker 1: Were you saying, Are you implying that it was a
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse operation?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, Okay, I'm just saying things that just want
Speaker 2: to like sure, like guys, it wasn't the.
Speaker 8: Same Like did Kendrick Bourne ever throw a helmet?
Speaker 1: Oh, Kendrick Bourne and throwing our helmets soft? We didn't
Speaker 1: have a helmet thrower. That was a problem. I tried
Speaker 1: to toss mine one time. I just had a character,
Speaker 1: couldn't then pull it off. We needed Jaye. There was
Speaker 1: no je no j came to the risk.
Speaker 2: It was the first thing I first practiced, said come
Speaker 2: back like everyone's looking at me like he's gonna throw
Speaker 2: a helmet.
Speaker 5: Yes, we needed and then to wrap this thing up,
Speaker 5: we talked to Keep to leave. We talked to Wes Welker,
Speaker 5: and we talked Bill Belichick Slate with a great recall
Speaker 5: of a moment from twenty fourteen January twenty fourteen. Indeed,
Speaker 5: Wes Welker did hurt to Keep to leave on a
Speaker 5: pick play, and Bill was quoted telling Mike Grease one
Speaker 5: of the worst plays I've seen, the way it turned out.
Speaker 5: I went and I watched it back. I didn't have
Speaker 5: a clear chance to yesterday. It was a deliver played
Speaker 5: by the receiver to take out a keep.
Speaker 1: No attempt to say the Bill West rivalry it's out there,
Speaker 1: I think, fellas, can we just bridge the yaff here?
Speaker 1: Like you guys did a lot of great things together.
Speaker 1: But I've been agreeing with Bill. He had he was
Speaker 1: out for blood.
Speaker 5: Oh he was out for blood.
Speaker 1: It was personal, personal, and he took a key bout
Speaker 1: cost us the game. You know what, So, Wes, I
Speaker 1: hope you consid there and feel good and is Wes
Speaker 1: now coaching his players to do that? Is he coaching
Speaker 1: Tyree do that illegal picks? Guys? I hope not Wes.
Speaker 1: I player safety West player player safety te Belichick.
Speaker 2: Let's name the game. Let's name the game. Beat l
Speaker 2: A thirteen and three, The Passion of the Punt or
Speaker 2: the edel Nut Game. I think it's the passion of
Speaker 2: the punt.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that name. I love all those names.
Speaker 1: But because we were Boston sports guys, and because LA,
Speaker 1: we just don't like LA, even though I'm from out
Speaker 1: of here. You gotta go beat l A.
Speaker 2: Howd you get one of the T shirts that we
Speaker 2: were selling, Remember the beat l A T shirt? Oh?
Speaker 1: I got all the merch, just making sure I got
Speaker 1: all them merch.
Speaker 5: Oh man, big time missed by me on this one.
Speaker 5: This was the same year the Red Sox beat the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Same year, so it was a big yeah in l A.
Speaker 4: And you beat the Chargers too.
Speaker 2: We beat the Chargers and.
Speaker 1: Everybody thought the Charger is gonna stomp us out stump
Speaker 1: and we just score beat the brakes off of them.
Speaker 2: I fell back because I liked Anthony Lynn. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was forty. I liked it. I don't know why. I
Speaker 2: just liked Anthony Lynn.
Speaker 1: I did too. I like Anthony. I liked a lot
Speaker 1: of guys on that team. Pete riv obviously, Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips, who Slayation beat l A. There it is La,
Speaker 1: it will forever be a Boston mantral A. Visit J
Speaker 1: eleven dot com to purchase your merchandise today, which is
Speaker 1: now just games, which is another thing you can't do
Speaker 1: if you don't win, is sell merchandise, games and names.
Speaker 2: Let's score the game presented by the win Las Vegas
Speaker 2: and Encore Boston Harbor. Is this the greatest game of
Speaker 2: all time? Let's score it. Steaks one to ten? What
Speaker 2: are Decimo's okay, slate one to ten? What are the stakes?
Speaker 1: I mean, steaks are always high in a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Legacies on the line, last, the life of the dynasty
Speaker 1: still alive, Bob, So she would say, it's still so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say seven point.
Speaker 2: Eight integrity score. What I tell you guys, He's gonna
Speaker 2: have a very integrity type score. Star power, our power.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at it. You've got some all
Speaker 1: time greats in this game. You've got the greatest player
Speaker 1: in the history of the game. You've got arguably the
Speaker 1: greatest defensive player in the history of the game. You've
Speaker 1: got the greatest tight end in the history game. You've
Speaker 1: got the greatest slot receiver in history of the game.
Speaker 1: Wes Welker played, Oh no, Wow, West was good. Wow,
Speaker 1: Wes was good. You've got we've talked about a key,
Speaker 1: we've talked about got. Star power is pretty high. So
Speaker 1: out of ten.
Speaker 5: Also, Maroon five played the halftime show last night pre
Speaker 5: game national anthem. Who glads Knight still last night? Still
Speaker 5: got it?
Speaker 6: At it?
Speaker 1: Well, gladys Knight's got to bring the score up by yourself.
Speaker 1: So we're to the star power eight point one eight
Speaker 1: point one slid gameplay game play, Well, you're asking the
Speaker 1: wrong guy. Special teams, game I mean gameplay, special teams.
Speaker 1: Why it's ten point zero. But I think overall gameplay,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is from a football guy who
Speaker 1: enjoys defense, enjoys grittiness. I'm gonna give that. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give that gameplay an eight point nine eight point nine
Speaker 1: given an eight point.
Speaker 2: Nine defensive guy, son of an offensive guy, Special team
Speaker 2: all time great but going.
Speaker 1: But going to the defense, going to defense through football guy,
Speaker 1: true football guy.
Speaker 2: Name of the game, beat la beat l A.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we're Boston people, right. My home is
Speaker 1: in Boston now, so we're gonna have to go We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go nine. Oh I know on that,
Speaker 1: I know on the on the name.
Speaker 2: What's there total? If Gronk was here, he'd just be
Speaker 2: able to put it right out.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He is crazy with that. He is crazy
Speaker 1: with that. We did eight point four.
Speaker 2: Where does it land in the games that we have done?
Speaker 5: Oh? Man, this one puts us right between the twenty
Speaker 5: eleven AFC Divisional Round game aka the Can't Wait Game
Speaker 5: Jets For's Patrios. Oh, let's forget about that, oh Bart
Speaker 5: Scott can't Wait, and right behind the Seattle versus New
Speaker 5: England Super Bowl, the Malcolm Butler game, Super Blood wolf Moon.
Speaker 5: We did that one with Rob Wriggle. Yeah, remember that,
Speaker 5: one of our favorites.
Speaker 1: Yeah's was he a cop?
Speaker 5: He was a marine?
Speaker 1: He was a marine. That's what it was.
Speaker 5: He played a cop in the Hangover though he did
Speaker 5: he did that.
Speaker 1: He was a marine?
Speaker 6: Is he is?
Speaker 1: He hilarious person?
Speaker 2: So dude, We've had some really, we got some funny
Speaker 2: people who we just had uh Lewis black On here,
Speaker 2: he had some.
Speaker 1: Peoples, Gary Goleman was was funny.
Speaker 2: Was really We've got some comics, you know. You know,
Speaker 2: because we started the show with Sam, we've been kind
Speaker 2: of introduced into this whole comic world in all the comics,
Speaker 2: you know, and I've kind of developed relationships with these
Speaker 2: guys and yeah, they're so funny. Do you think you're
Speaker 2: like giggly, No, these guys are pros over here.
Speaker 1: Is just killing it. Just wait, I like the riddle
Speaker 1: big fan of.
Speaker 2: Ten minutes early was he prompt prompt marine.
Speaker 1: That's that marine and marine.
Speaker 2: He gave a marine coin, he gave his nice slate.
Speaker 1: Anything, Dad, we covered a lot.
Speaker 2: What about you know, maybe give a plug to the
Speaker 2: JC guy.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing, though, that a Jewish man and
Speaker 1: a Christian man can sit down and find common ground.
Speaker 1: I just want to say that that's one of the
Speaker 1: beautiful things about football. We find common ground. And there's
Speaker 1: a society. It would it would serve us all well
Speaker 1: to be able to find common.
Speaker 2: But we have one common goal in the locker room
Speaker 2: in society.
Speaker 1: Not everyone's in there. That's unfortunately have fun.
Speaker 2: That's unfortunately it's not having fun, it's winning at all cost.
Speaker 2: Thanks Bro, I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Man, that was a great show.
Speaker 5: Slate is. You hear the stories about what a great
Speaker 5: guy Slate is and then he lives up to it,
Speaker 5: and then some in.
Speaker 2: Person, Oh you feel the greatness when he enters a
Speaker 2: room of his just pure aura.
Speaker 5: I can see why any locker room just instantly gets
Speaker 5: bet any room, you.
Speaker 2: Know, And it's it's so crazy because we literally came in.
Speaker 2: He was a year a year in and I came in.
Speaker 2: You know, we were the slap dicks just sitting there
Speaker 2: like he was saying, like, are we gonna make the
Speaker 2: team too? You know, he's he's probably he's probably gonna
Speaker 2: go in the Hall of Fame for being a special teamer.
Speaker 5: And I mean crazy to think he is the first
Speaker 5: father's on duo in there, captain, the captain, but.
Speaker 2: To play sixteen years?
Speaker 5: Do you think I wanted to ask him, but we
Speaker 5: didn't get a chance, Like do you think his career
Speaker 5: it was a unique career, an amazing career, would have
Speaker 5: been possible anywhere outside of New England.
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably just because of who he is.
Speaker 5: I think, so, you're right, But it's just like his
Speaker 5: his spirit and the guy that he is in the
Speaker 5: toughness that he brings and paired with bills, coaching and
Speaker 5: love for special teams like I love it.
Speaker 2: No, I mean we we didn't even get into Scotty O'Brien,
Speaker 2: which I wish we did a little more. You know,
Speaker 2: for the first four years of my career, me and
Speaker 2: Slate at like five or thirty in the morning had
Speaker 2: to go in and meet with Scottio and he would
Speaker 2: basically give us the presentation of what he was going
Speaker 2: to present to the team, the coaching points that everything
Speaker 2: we're going to install, that we're going to install this,
Speaker 2: and then we had to sit in. Me and Slate,
Speaker 2: we had to sit in every special team's unit, field goal,
Speaker 2: field goal, everything, just you know, and and hear it again.
Speaker 5: And you guys heard it first.
Speaker 2: Just the three half the time it'd be Scottio telling
Speaker 2: us we're going on the other halftime would be him
Speaker 2: talking about his boat and his big gas ranch and Wisconsin.
Speaker 5: Shoot.
Speaker 2: I got two million books in the bait now We're
Speaker 2: like two guys trying to make a team. Don't even
Speaker 2: have ten thousand dollars their name, Scottio at least flexing.
Speaker 5: He's flexing. Oh my god, that's incredible. And to see
Speaker 5: the near the stories the Domino's pizza boxes as the
Speaker 5: dining room or the coffee table. And Shane, yeah, well
Speaker 5: next time he'll be on live show maybe show and
Speaker 5: then what's to be sick?
Speaker 8: What's great about slaves? Like so much in sports media discourse,
Speaker 8: there's a lot to talk about, like, oh the honesty
Speaker 8: was just all Brady.
Speaker 4: Bill sucks.
Speaker 8: It's all Bill this and like to win at such
Speaker 8: a high level for so long. It's a building filled
Speaker 8: with guys like Matthew Slater. Great, right, and you need
Speaker 8: to have all those teams. I'm sure the Chiefs have
Speaker 8: their own version. If you plugged into you'd find those guys.
Speaker 8: So that's how you win championships. Is a building full
Speaker 8: of guys like that. I don't know if there's another
Speaker 8: one like yeah, just as I was saying that he
Speaker 8: is one of them.
Speaker 2: There's another person that only play special teams and men
Speaker 2: on every phase look up to him the way people
Speaker 2: look up.
Speaker 5: To Slate the world to be a lot better place
Speaker 5: if there are more Slates in the world.
Speaker 2: He would, you know, Chris long over here, Oh you know,
Speaker 2: I'd love them with my wife and kid. Well, Slate's
Speaker 2: actually in my trust. If I go down, and there's
Speaker 2: a few other things that have to happen. Slate is
Speaker 2: holding court on everything in the papers signed him. I
Speaker 2: had to have the auditor, the guy with the what
Speaker 2: is it the notary notary notary say you at the
Speaker 2: house notary? What's it for? Yeah, just don't worry. Due
Speaker 2: you're gonna run my life if I die.
Speaker 8: So if you ever go down, that's the first place
Speaker 8: you look with slates number one.
Speaker 2: Well, no, there's like there's like, there's a couple, there's
Speaker 2: a couple, there's a there's a few different like let's
Speaker 2: not talk about.
Speaker 8: Democracy, all right, let's let's go to the hot linette.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 5: I being in that and again that number for two
Speaker 5: four zero for two four two.
Speaker 2: Nine one to two nine zero, Like you said, Yeah.
Speaker 13: I'm a fifteen year old from Massachuset. Fis wondering what
Speaker 13: advice to give to a sixteen year old get in
Speaker 13: high school. That only different introduce on a.
Speaker 2: Sixteen year old. Vice advice on and off the field,
Speaker 2: On and off the field, Ignore noise, you know, ignore noise.
Speaker 2: There's always gonna be someone that says you can't do
Speaker 2: something like if you read any book or you hear
Speaker 2: any story about anyone that got anywhere that they had
Speaker 2: to deal with it, even the greatest look at Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: Always be ready to learn, and be hungry to learn,
Speaker 2: and and give max effort. Always. You know, even if
Speaker 2: you're the stud on the team, don't be the guy
Speaker 2: that runs this friends and doesn't take it serious because
Speaker 2: you know you could throw the best on the team,
Speaker 2: or you know, you want to be that guy like
Speaker 2: a Matthew Slater that you know is the badass on
Speaker 2: the team wins in the off season. Always, you know,
Speaker 2: that's the kind of guy you want to be. And
Speaker 2: and you'll go you'll go further, and it'll it'll help
Speaker 2: you in life. That's what I would say. That's that's
Speaker 2: good lifelong advice, best for retirement. Now compound interest.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, start a TikTok accounting being TikToker.
Speaker 10: Hey Jules, it's Boston taxi. Remember you was going home
Speaker 10: on your skateboard, on your motorized skateboard, and you took.
Speaker 7: That live turn around the corner of that blind corner
Speaker 7: you met my cav almost ran in your ass over
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. We dapted out and all
Speaker 7: that ship. It was that same season you got popped
Speaker 7: for you know, you know. But yeah, man, good to
Speaker 7: you know, check in on you to see how you doing.
Speaker 7: The look on the future and all that.
Speaker 2: Man, give me back Boston Taxi.
Speaker 5: I do remember that.
Speaker 9: I do.
Speaker 2: I was hitting this turn all my little motorized thing
Speaker 2: and he was coming I think it was Dartmouth or something,
Speaker 2: and it was a back alley of back bay or something.
Speaker 2: And he goes and I stop and he stopped and
Speaker 2: I went and I hit his cab. He looked at
Speaker 2: each other, He looked at me. I looked at him
Speaker 2: and I just said, oh, thank god, we didn't get that.
Speaker 2: And He's like, we tapped up and went on my way.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: You remember that for all these years.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 5: Check it in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was crazy.
Speaker 5: I'm good, bro, you used to fly on that thing.
Speaker 2: Fly.
Speaker 5: I'll tell I'll tell coach that.
Speaker 1: What I'm wondering, what your favorite team.
Speaker 7: Was to play.
Speaker 2: Favorite team to play probably how it honestly comes down
Speaker 2: to three, it would either be the Jets, Baltimore or
Speaker 2: Kansas City Jets, because you know, anytime it was Boston
Speaker 2: New York, it was always big. There's that rivalry.
Speaker 5: We usually won.
Speaker 2: We usually won. I usually had a lot of good stats,
Speaker 2: but no, like I loved going to New York and
Speaker 2: playing because you you know, you feel like you're you're
Speaker 2: driving in from New Jersey and you see the skyline
Speaker 2: in the city. It was just always a crazy Billy
Speaker 2: Joel Billy Jowels on the headphones. You know, just it
Speaker 2: was always fun. Kansas City because I remember playing them
Speaker 2: before they had Patrick. It was always, you know, a
Speaker 2: tough game. They always had like some really good football
Speaker 2: players in those and and years against you know, Mahomes
Speaker 2: and Kelsey. It's just they were the young gun team
Speaker 2: and we were like the old Vets. So like you
Speaker 2: always like stacking up against, you know, the best teams.
Speaker 2: And the Baltimore it was always a physical game. We
Speaker 2: played them so much in my early in my career,
Speaker 2: middle of my career in the playoffs, in the regular season.
Speaker 2: Always had a lot of respect for their players. You know,
Speaker 2: they came into our house and whipped our ass. You know,
Speaker 2: a couple of times you felt Baltimore. When you went
Speaker 2: to Baltimore. You got ray Lewis doing the war dance
Speaker 2: I did. I played against him when he was doing
Speaker 2: war dance, you know, on the team, and then every
Speaker 2: time we played and he didn't play, he was doing
Speaker 2: war dance, coming out.
Speaker 5: To smoke Ian, that whole thing. It's just fun.
Speaker 2: I liked playing in the competitive games, and then the
Speaker 2: Jets that's you know that that's one of our arrivals.
Speaker 2: So those those were the fun games I remember.
Speaker 9: But November twenty twenty twenty two, Jillette Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts,
Speaker 9: just visiting the Patriots, all time three to three after
Speaker 9: fifty nine and a half minutes, looking like overtime. Brayden
Speaker 9: Man squares up to kick the seventeenth punt of the game,
Speaker 9: but he left the ball over the middle of the field.
Speaker 9: Marcus Jones catches it starts to run back. This is
Speaker 9: the Marcus Jones game, Julian, This is Joe from Lynn
Speaker 9: Mass I was at this game. Even though it's stunk,
Speaker 9: it can be saved. A game can be saved. By
Speaker 9: a single play. The stadium was absolutely hyped after this.
Speaker 9: Me and my brother were their love the podcast. Everything
Speaker 9: You're do and keep it up, Bro, I like it.
Speaker 2: That was a great intro, great intro, love the guy,
Speaker 2: but absolute shit game.
Speaker 1: If we ever do this game, it's over.
Speaker 2: I mean he even said it's stunk.
Speaker 5: It's stunk.
Speaker 2: He was there.
Speaker 1: He was there.
Speaker 2: Lynn Mass stand up, Yeah, baby, stand up. That's a
Speaker 2: great That was a great calling.
Speaker 5: That was awesome. Great play by Marcus Jones.
Speaker 2: That was kind of maybe a joke joking. It's a
Speaker 2: good sense of humor meaning it was. I mean, he
Speaker 2: pulled it off. He played it straight. Rocky down boy heal. Sorry.
Speaker 5: It's fitting that we talk about a terrible game with
Speaker 5: a great special teams play in this episode.
Speaker 12: Jewels, I gotta know, Bro, I'm a die hard Raider fan.
Speaker 12: I just want you to admit on air for me,
Speaker 12: in all.
Speaker 7: Raider nations, please admit that that was a fumble.
Speaker 2: Love the content, Bro, he's talking Brady, He's.
Speaker 4: Gotta be talking about the Mac Jones, No, Kobe Myers.
Speaker 4: It has to be that right.
Speaker 5: Oh my god. The Debacle in the Desert, the annex.
Speaker 4: Section of where we go, he's he's talking about Charles Winson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course that was a fumble in the book,
Speaker 2: the rings already out boys, regardless of it was a fumble.
Speaker 1: What doesn't get talked enough with that game is the
Speaker 1: two field goals Terry.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it was insane.
Speaker 5: Any intentional for movement of his arm starts a forward pass,
Speaker 5: even if the player loses possession of the ball as
Speaker 5: he's attempting to tug it back towards his body. It
Speaker 5: was in the rule book at the book.
Speaker 4: What else do you want? It's a bad book.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's been changed since you can only play
Speaker 5: the rules as they play. Amen. That might have been
Speaker 5: John Gruden putting on a voice calling in still salty
Speaker 5: over that one.
Speaker 2: He's probably salty over a lot of things. Well, what
Speaker 2: an episode and thanks again to Slate. That's been another
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