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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of West Love Supreme.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host Quest Love with Me his Team Supreme. Today.

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Speaker 3: We have Fine tick Alo in the house. We have

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Speaker 3: Sugar Steve. Hey, everybody ranged into the Sugars and laya.

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Speaker 4: Vote, motherfuckers. Okay, how I'm feeling.

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Speaker 3: Some curios this morning.

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Speaker 2: I believe on paid Bill is either on Sesame Street

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Speaker 2: right now or dealing with the first day of school,

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Speaker 2: so he's not with us right now. All right, I

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Speaker 2: will try to make this as brief as possible. Hey, man,

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Speaker 2: we by the numbers. I think this is the most

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Speaker 2: accomplished guest that we've had on the show. Our guest

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Speaker 2: today clearly needs no introduction. This awesome aquarium is a

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Speaker 2: fifteen time Grammy Award winner, seven time BT Award winner,

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Speaker 2: eleven time Soul Train Award winner, Combination Ladies Soul Soul Trained,

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Speaker 2: seventeen times NAACP Award winner, eight time MTV Award winner, twelve.

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Speaker 3: Time as Cap, eight time bm My.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know you can be on both sides

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Speaker 2: of the fence with that, six time Billboard Award winner,

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Speaker 2: Time Oh none time Billboarder winner, get it Right, a mirror,

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Speaker 2: five time American Music Award winner. I think I mentioned

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Speaker 2: all of her accomplishments. She's probably still the record holding

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn Huxtable household bucking Horse champion, not to mention philanthropist, actress, producer,

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Speaker 2: activist mom. She'll probably own this podcast by the end

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Speaker 2: of the episode. I'm talking about no other than the

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Speaker 2: incomparable Alicia Keys. Welcome to QLs.

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Speaker 3: Hello Hell.

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Speaker 5: That might be my top intro of all time.

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Speaker 3: That's my side hustle. I'm selling.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to be like, who's Danny Ray James Brown's

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Speaker 2: intro person.

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Speaker 5: That's the vibe. Thank you for all that. I'm so

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Speaker 5: glad to be here with y'all. How you doing, We're good.

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Speaker 3: I actually want to know, how are you? You know?

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Speaker 2: Usually the format of the show is kind of like

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Speaker 2: in the Actors Studio, where we like break down the

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Speaker 2: science of the creative process with the artists, but being

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Speaker 2: as though we are living through what you know, the

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Speaker 2: history books will probably show as a crucial milestone and

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Speaker 2: or at least on Earth, things are a little different now.

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Speaker 2: So I want to know as a creative or just

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Speaker 2: as a person like, how are you adjusting to this

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Speaker 2: road called twenty twenty right now?

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Speaker 3: Like, how is your day this morning?

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Speaker 5: My day was pretty good? Okay, well I think I

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Speaker 5: have I think I need to back up and then

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Speaker 5: I can come to today because I think that's how

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Speaker 5: you take it time.

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Speaker 3: So it's like what kind of cereal did you have

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Speaker 3: this morning?

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Speaker 5: But it's like, right, I had a macro bar? Okay,

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Speaker 5: so you hume, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm starving too, right, okay, So what so a macro

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Speaker 3: bar is what? What does that entail?

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, it's like one of those kind

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Speaker 5: of bars that fill you up enough and give you

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Speaker 5: to run out of the house and didn't really have

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Speaker 5: anything to eat, you good for like a good couple

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Speaker 5: in you straight and then hopefully you can eat soon.

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Speaker 3: That I'm on that time one right now, I get you,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So both of that home,

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Speaker 3: I'm doing my one meal.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait for wow, oh my gosh, word. But

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Through this road called twenty twenty,

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Speaker 5: it's definitely been some ebbs and some flows. You know,

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Speaker 5: at first, I was like so confused. I just didn't know.

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Speaker 5: We all didn't know what to expect or where it

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Speaker 5: it was like a paranoia. And then you know, I

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Speaker 5: think as a as a parent, it became really ill

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Speaker 5: going to do that part of the thing. And then

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Speaker 5: as a as a mother and a human and a

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Speaker 5: lost the plot of how to find my own space

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Speaker 5: in the world. I just I just didn't I didn't

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask, does that now mean that

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Speaker 2: it's almost like, yeah, you you have to be a

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Speaker 2: like do you still get fits of inspiration where like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll carve out four am to seven am to write

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Speaker 3: Sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I again, at the beginning, nothing nothing,

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Speaker 5: literally nothing. I didn't feel even the desire to create.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's almost because it was all such

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Speaker 5: so right, I was just like, wait, wait, now what now?

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Speaker 3: What? So?

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Speaker 5: I think I think it gave me some space to

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Speaker 5: but also know that that's like that's your wheel.

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Speaker 5: Oil it, you know. So I think that it gave

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Speaker 5: of everything. But then I did start heavy meditating, which

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Speaker 5: I've always done, and I would do that heavy meditation

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Speaker 5: But anytime I didn't do that and that I would

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Speaker 2: I forgot that my Spotify playlist is public is public,

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Speaker 2: And so Frante kind of out of me last week

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Speaker 2: hours into like my my binarrow beats and my my meditation.

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Speaker 3: At I'm checking it out though. Yeah, it's it's heavy stuff, right,

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Speaker 3: and so help I got paranoid so changed it before. No,

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Speaker 3: but I put my on like n graces, f.

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Speaker 5: Like, let me get my mess So hold on, I

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Speaker 5: need that. I need that playlist whatever, that playlist, as

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Speaker 5: you said, I didn't, Yeah, no, no.

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Speaker 3: I freely share it with everyone like that that literally.

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Speaker 4: Has Thompson page on Spotify.

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Speaker 3: Leah, I'll send it to her. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is is that I think what we

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Speaker 2: in the beginning, I think I felt guilty for like

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Speaker 2: And you know I could. I mean, I DJ because

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Speaker 3: But it's not the same. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt hella guilty for like having not sat

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Speaker 2: that stuff, and I feel you. Then I started to

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Speaker 2: find out that everyone was kind of doing that, like

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Speaker 2: I haven't been on my piano yet or that sort

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Speaker 5: So no, honestly, my piano funal so so neglected. I

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Speaker 5: We're playing duets. I'm like, read these notes, make sure

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Speaker 5: would not sit down you're teacher. No, But I practiced

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Speaker 6: So so yeah, so you still actively practice, Like do

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, And but I do find I going seasons,

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Speaker 5: And then there's moments where I'm like, Okay, I got

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you already said this and I missed it,

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Speaker 2: but where were you on this album when when March happened?

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Speaker 5: Or you know, actually when March when March happened, I

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Speaker 5: shooting the video. Oh my gosh, you thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: It was totally crazy. So so I remember we were

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Speaker 2: So you and your team were able to finish it

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Speaker 2: up over the quarantine, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean we mostly you know, we mostly didn't do anything

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Speaker 5: And then where do we go and how do we

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Speaker 5: But it was a moment where it was just nothing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're planning.

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Speaker 7: You're planning a tour for twenty twenty one, right, so man, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Just going out right, But what was twenty twenty? Obviously

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Speaker 2: Oh mind, So, Alitia, I want to know. I believe

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Speaker 2: that you were born in Hell's Kitchen, correct, in Manhattan?

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Speaker 2: I want to know what was the first album that

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Speaker 5: Okay, the true story is that my first album. True

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Speaker 5: I was like, she mean, never trust a big button

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Speaker 5: a smile. That's that's messed up. I don't like that,

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Speaker 5: and I brought the tape back, brought the tape back.

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Speaker 8: Wait why, I don't know why I felt like that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why, Mom, and listen to it.

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Speaker 5: They don't do that even send the thing back. I

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Speaker 5: You know what that is a that is a true

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Speaker 7: Question, I've had the pleasure of hanging out with your

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Speaker 5: No, she is the party and everybody be like, you know,

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Speaker 5: She is definitely the life of the party. She's she's wilding,

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Speaker 4: She was like, why are you taking that tape back?

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Speaker 5: That's a jam right exactly? What's worm with you?

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Speaker 3: After Poison?

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Speaker 6: What was probably the next album I guess that you

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Speaker 3: That you remember that you like, really enjoyed and it

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Speaker 5: Oh. Then the next the next I didn't buy this one,

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Speaker 5: which was a double cassette of What's going On Marvin Gaye? Wow,

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Speaker 5: that was crazy. I mean, I never I'll never forget.

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Speaker 5: It was white. It was a white cassette. I'll never

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Speaker 3: At that young of an age.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I guess I was like maybe eleven or twelve.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Growing up, well, no, just growing up, I always saw

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Speaker 3: Like they were crying like saying I remember, and so.

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Speaker 2: Then you recognize like, oh that's where I know they're from.

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Speaker 2: But you know, just straight up like it took me

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Speaker 5: Gaye that did it, Like you mean because you just

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Speaker 3: It's just I mean, you know the thing is is

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Speaker 2: See my thing was I grew up in that don't

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Speaker 3: Like, right, I know where that came from. You know

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Speaker 5: So are you are you that person? Now? Are you

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Speaker 5: like the don't touch my stereo person, like don't touch.

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Speaker 3: My Oh no, no, not at all, Like I don't ask.

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Speaker 5: For no request though, right, okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the.

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Speaker 2: I'm the new request guy, like I'm the you know,

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Speaker 2: I prepare my meals. I see it as preparing, like cooking.

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Speaker 2: That's how I see it. And then it's almost give

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Speaker 5: My first? I don't remember. My first concert was I

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Speaker 5: can't even believe this. Michael Jackson and I had to

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Speaker 5: was like mommy, who's sick? And who's who's sick? Why

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy. That's a crazy one. That's a very

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Speaker 5: It was I was four, four years old and I

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Speaker 3: It's always a Wizard of I know, right.

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Speaker 5: It's always so anyway, everybody had to go home and

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Speaker 5: That was the moment I knew it. I felt it.

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Speaker 2: So how does that lead to this as a career choice,

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Speaker 5: I was eleven years old when I wrote my first song.

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Speaker 5: My my grandfather had just passed away. My mother raised me,

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Speaker 3: Wait what.

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Speaker 5: It don't sound right at all too now, but whatever

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Speaker 3: The girls and what the mom and the daughter could

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Speaker 4: Before they were gay people.

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Speaker 5: So we had this one bedroom and sometimes the bedroom

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Speaker 4: I was just about to ask where was he from?

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Speaker 5: What do you know? Like he was just like he

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Speaker 5: always wroted for Dora. He was a detective. He was

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Speaker 5: him my hug. It was like the gun. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it was just this was this was he was like detective,

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's kind of dope because especially your grandfather who's Italian,

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Speaker 5: That's like yes, yes, no, it was deep. It's very deep,

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00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 5: you know. And and but he was. He would drive

440
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 5: from Long Island, and my grandmother lives in Long Island.

441
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 5: He would drive from Long Island every weekend to help

442
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 5: my mother. He'd be the first one there. He'd lean

443
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 5: up against the car, put his hat on and his

444
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 5: trench and his arms fold and he'd be waiting for

445
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 5: me to come out of the building, and every time

446
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 5: I came out the door, he'd be like, that's my girl,

447
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 5: Like every time, that's my girl. And so so anyway,

448
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 5: I can't even remember what the question was because I'm

449
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 5: so wrapped.

450
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 4: Up in my grave ad.

451
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 5: You literally don't know what you even asked me? What

452
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 5: did you ask me? Again?

453
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 4: The song?

454
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: Oh, the first song you ever wrote, and you said

455
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: that the passing of your grandfather inspired it.

456
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 5: So that was my that was my heart. And she

457
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 5: had to go on his bed and tell me this news.

458
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 5: And I was just so devastating. I never felt like

459
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 5: that before. I never felt that raw, unstoppable, like torrential

460
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 5: emotion before. Like I just never felt that. And so

461
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 5: somehow I was so sad. We went to see a

462
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 5: late night movie. We went to see a late night

463
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 5: movie of Philadelphia. Oh watch ever, I'm not sure, Like

464
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 5: I don't know when don't we want to go see

465
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 5: something funny? I don't know what happened. I'm in there

466
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 5: crying in my eyes out. I mean, it was like

467
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 5: literally just the most emotional day of my little life.

468
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 5: And I came home and we went to a late movie.

469
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 5: Had to be nine pm or something, and by the

470
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 5: time we get home, it was like eleven o'clock. And

471
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 5: I came home and it's the first time I just

472
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 5: immediately sat at the piano and I played, and I sang,

473
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 5: and I sang everything I felt, and I wrote it

474
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 5: down and she just left me alone. I was just

475
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 5: in that you know, the apartments super small, so she

476
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 5: did not much places go, but she was just she

477
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 5: just left me alone. And I wrote this song. And

478
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 5: that was my first time I wrote. And that was

479
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 5: like the beginning of me recognizing how you could turn

480
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 5: like a pain or an emotion into something.

481
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: It's funny you say that.

482
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: Someone Someone asked me this summer if there's a song

483
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: that you hear and it could trigger like near tears

484
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: emotion and I don't know why, but for some reason,

485
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: and you can't find it streaming nowhere because you know,

486
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: Neil Young is is hella against UH streaming service as well,

487
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: and I tried to start his own Yeah, yeah, the ponent.

488
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: But wait, see if you still have your pono.

489
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Philadelphia song that Neil Young sings on

490
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: the closing credits of that thing song, Yo man, I

491
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: don't know what it is.

492
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 4: It Is it because of the movie?

493
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 5: Is it before?

494
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 3: After this?

495
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: This is literally why I'm obsessed with sort of the

496
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: the at least the scientific study of synesthesia and how

497
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: I believe that scientifically. And this is why I think,

498
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: uh uh, you know, the idea of your chakra, like

499
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: certain tones affect parts of I don't know what it is.

500
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: I don't know it's the tone.

501
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: Of his voice or the or like it's a regular

502
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: ass song, but for some reason, there's something in that

503
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: song that.

504
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: Just a I can't get through it without filling up.

505
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: And usually if I feel sad about some shit, okay,

506
00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: example when okay, when Dyla died, I found it hard

507
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: to cry and I was struggling with that, Like it

508
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: took me like three weeks to really process that ship

509
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: and I couldn't cry. And then I didn't want to

510
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: create no more. And you know the time, the girls

511
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: days like, well, you need to cry, you need to

512
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: do it. And I was trying everything and I was

513
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: nothing was coming, and then I put that ship on

514
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: and then boom it happened. Yes, not the Springsteen song, but.

515
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: Young John.

516
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just I don't know, it's just something scientifically

517
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: sonically in that song that I don't know that's the

518
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: breaker for.

519
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: Some reason, I love that and I'm going to listen

520
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: to that now.

521
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: Well then you'll be boohooing.

522
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: I don't know so this at this point, Well, I

523
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: also wanted to know what was the first song you

524
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: ever learned to play, Like, what was your go to

525
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: your go to karaoke mover, the song that you like

526
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: committed to learn.

527
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: The first song I ever learned to play, you know,

528
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 5: outside of like the basic classical piano things like, you know,

529
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 5: because because I did this with Zuki methods, so it

530
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 5: all it progresses, and so you start with the super

531
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 5: simple ones and then you keep going and it progresses

532
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 5: and progresses, and so the first ones are like roll

533
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 5: your bolt and married a little lamb and London Bridge

534
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 5: is falling down and they're teaching me to think. Besides

535
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 5: all those, my first song that I learned to play

536
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 5: was called this One's for the Children by New Kids

537
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 5: on the Block.

538
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 7: Wow, am stand up?

539
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: What?

540
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 5: And that was my first one that really that was

541
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 5: the first song that I learned that I actually figured

542
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 5: out how to put my hands and my voice together

543
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: at the same time. Because Prior to that, I had

544
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 5: played and I played cool and then I had sang,

545
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 5: but I never did them together. And that was the

546
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 5: very first time that I kind of figured out what

547
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 5: did that feel like? And it was hard.

548
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, how long does that process take?

549
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 7: Because people take that for granted.

550
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 5: It was hard. I felt like I would never get it.

551
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 5: I felt like I would never get this rhythm of

552
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 5: like how to play one thing and how to sing

553
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: another thing. And I but once I got it, which

554
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how long it takes, but

555
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 5: it was considerable. It took time. I you know it

556
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 5: really like that was that started the thing, amir?

557
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: How long did it take for you?

558
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 7: Because you know you'll be up there doing fifty dozen

559
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 7: things and drumming and singing and talking and giving cues.

560
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 4: How long did it take you to master that?

561
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: What to learn a song or to.

562
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: Learn how to do multiple things at one time like that?

563
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: You know?

564
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: Again, similar similar to Alicia coming into knowledge of meditating

565
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: and whatnot.

566
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: Well, we learned early.

567
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: Remember when Quincy Jones taught us about the alpha state

568
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: and whatever I learned, Well, I'd studied that and realized

569
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: that there's four parts of the brain, the alpha, the beta,

570
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: the data, and the theta. And the reason why you're

571
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: supposed to practice ten thousand hours is that you know,

572
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: you do it so much that it becomes when they say,

573
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: it's second nature, you do without thinking. So I too,

574
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: that's my alpha state. So when you see me on stage,

575
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: like on my phone, eating a sandwich, talking to somebody whatever,

576
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: that's the equivalent of Greg fill and Gains doing a

577
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: silhouette two in the morning Quincy Jones. Basically he makes

578
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: them eat, get the itis, get tipsy, and then start

579
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: recording them at one two in the morning. Yeah, because

580
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 2: they don't debate with them, they don't argue with them,

581
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: they don't overthink it.

582
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: They just do it naturally and so a fire.

583
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because again the second I start thinking

584
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: of left, right, left, and then I start messing up

585
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: right right even to this day, like I can't. I'm

586
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: not aware of what I'm doing. I'm thinking of like

587
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: cereal or I love some cereal.

588
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 5: That's the second cereal mentioned. It's only been like twenty minutes.

589
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: What kind of sery you have?

590
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: Missing cereal? That's what.

591
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 5: My favorite cereals, honey and cheerios. What's your yeah, yeah,

592
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 5: team Captain Crunch, Oh, crunch peries.

593
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: Oh crunchberries is good. The things they tear up the roof, all.

594
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 7: Of them, Captain Crunch tear it all up, so it

595
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 7: no matter the crunch berries in there, y'all.

596
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 4: I know y'all asked me.

597
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 7: But I've spent a lot of time with pops lately,

598
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 7: Like I circle back to them and let me just

599
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 7: tell you, milk or not pops.

600
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: Will oh the cereal, yeah, sad good.

601
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 5: And the other one that I used to love sentimentals

602
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 5: crunch Oh.

603
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, automatically apple and the best thing with the milk

604
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 6: after the cinnamon to c that was like the.

605
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: So good the bowl drinker, Oh yeah.

606
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: Sell that at at a milk part.

607
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: Now milk, oh they put they do the fruity pebbles them.

608
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: They put the milk in it, drain it and then

609
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: resell the milk like there's milk cereal.

610
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: But that was my old life.

611
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: So you look great, really, you are shining?

612
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: Do that?

613
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, take this compliment, stating in a last

614
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 7: he will act like he didn't hear you.

615
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: I said, enough life, coaches, I'm good, Thank you.

616
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 5: Your moment never taught you to say thank you.

617
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: All right. Yeah, I'm learning to I'm still.

618
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 5: Get it together. You're welcome.

619
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they are get on taking compliments.

620
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: Take longer to this the compliment.

621
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: Just say we.

622
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: Have somebody accomplished on the show. It's not about me.

623
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: Let's get to it. When when do you decide.

624
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: That you would like to do this as a profession

625
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: Because I met you what I assume is the first

626
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: stage of your career when I believe that you were

627
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: still an artist on Columbia. I believe so I met you.

628
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 5: What do you do you remember that?

629
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: What we do? It's the funny, all right.

630
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: So the story of me first meeting you is the

631
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: roots are working on our fourth album, Things fall Apart, Steve. Actually,

632
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: you're connected to the story.

633
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: I'm connected to the story. Yes, yes, all right.

634
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: So the preface is, do you remember when Foxy Brown

635
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: threw a tantrum at Electric Lady and she sent that

636
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: poor intern.

637
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: Wait were you the intern? Yeah? I was the Wait

638
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: a minute, she sent you to the Bronx to go

639
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: get those those Krispy kremes. No, No, that was a

640
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: different she was. I was the assistant.

641
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: She was screaming at me because she couldn't find her headphones,

642
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: and she excuse me stealing them at the live rooms.

643
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: Okay, well yeah, all right.

644
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: So just during the during the whole Electric Lady period

645
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: of voodoo and like water for Chocolate and all the

646
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: stuff that we recorded, Foxy Brown came in for like

647
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: a month to work on her second record. She threw

648
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 2: like a temper tantrum because they didn't get back.

649
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: Then.

650
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: You know, everyone was catching Krispy Kreme fever in New

651
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: York City. I remember where like the red light comes

652
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 2: on and you get you know, hot at right, everyone

653
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: knows the deal. So Foxy sent this poor intern who

654
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: was clearly not from New York City, like all the

655
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: way up to the Bronx to the twenty to the

656
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: twenty four hour Krispy kremespot.

657
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, did he get mugged or anything like

658
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: that or no, he got the donuts, well he got.

659
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 2: The donuts, but like within the ench of his life

660
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: because he had to take the subway up there or whatever.

661
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: And so I was kind of angry that she put

662
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: him that position. So to be an asshole, I went

663
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: and ordered Foxy like what was it?

664
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: Like?

665
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: I ordered like seventy five dozen. I ordered seventy five

666
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: boxes of Krispy Free donuts and there were a dozen each.

667
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: So basically when she went in the room, there was

668
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: nothing but amountain of donuts and she.

669
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: Was actually flattered, like, oh my god, you kid me.

670
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, she missed the whole point.

671
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, shave fire backfire, right. So now we're BFFs.

672
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I still have to work

673
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: on the Roots record at Battery Studios, and so I

674
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: was there to record Most Deaf on our album and

675
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: Most be and Most was like twelve hours late, so

676
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: I was chill, and I went in the hallway and

677
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 2: I saw Jerry Brown, who worked on Who's raepha elsa

678
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: DIEKX engineer for our last album, and Jerry Brown's, uh,

679
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: kind of his trademark is that it's Christmas anytime he's

680
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: in the studio, and so Jerry always sets up Christmas

681
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: lights in the studio like he wants it to look

682
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: like it's Christmas inside the studio. And I'm like, that's weird,

683
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: Like what if your artist doesn't want this? Like he's like, well,

684
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: that's mine. I got to make it look like Christmas.

685
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: So then I came in and you were sitting in

686
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: the back, and I realized that, oh, this is the

687
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 2: same person that I saw on I think either So

688
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: So Deaf or definitely that Columbia had a like a

689
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: BT Christmas Special or something like that, right, And I

690
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: remember at the time, you were the probably the only

691
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: figurehead that I knew that had her hair and corn rolls.

692
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: So I instantly recognized you as, oh, that's a girl

693
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: from the pt Joint. And then, you know, just out

694
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: of boredom, I was probably in your breakroom more than

695
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: my own breakroom, because you know, most would be like, yeah,

696
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: I'll be there in a second and then be like

697
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: nine hours later, I'm still waiting.

698
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: No no, no, Notorious.

699
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically that yeah, that's that's how I first

700
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: met me. So, I mean at that time it was nice.

701
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 2: Well it was nineteen ninety nine though, so I guess

702
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: you're working on songs in a minor at.

703
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 5: That point or because it came out in two thousand.

704
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: So how what was that first period?

705
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: Like I never knew the story behind that, like because

706
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: I would figure that between Jermaine and his dad, who

707
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, was Notorious at Columbia. Yeah, yeah, Michael Maldon

708
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: Modon that they would, you know, roll out this rare

709
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: diamond of a moment and take advantage of it. Like, so,

710
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: what was that experience in getting the record deal and

711
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: recording that first record?

712
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: Uh? Oh, I'm getting quasi I roll nah.

713
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 5: No, I'm just trying to I'm trying to, like.

714
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: Come you try to remember what it was.

715
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: I'm trying to come back, all right. So I was

716
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 5: about fifteen, and my manager at the time, Jeff Robinson,

717
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 5: he was like, you played piano, you sing, you know,

718
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 5: you have to show people the whole thing. Some set

719
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 5: up these showcases. We're going to bring a couple of

720
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 5: labels down blah blah blah. So we did that probably

721
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 5: at like I don't know what that was at the time,

722
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 5: some like little rehearsal studio for forty whatever street. And

723
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 5: so I did these kind of small showcases and many

724
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: different labels came and it was just me on my little,

725
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 5: you know, not that fancy keyboard, and I wrote my

726
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 5: few songs that I'd written at the time. I had butterflies.

727
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 5: I had a song from that first album called The

728
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 5: Life I Had, and I sang that Brian McKnight song.

729
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 5: Never felt this way, well Brian McKnight at the time,

730
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 5: and and so I sang my few little songs and

731
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 5: all the and and so he created this bidding war

732
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 5: and and so then Columbia was the one that, uh

733
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: that that that that did the first piece. But then

734
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 5: so I created a I created a lot of the

735
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 5: music with Colombia while I was at Columbia, and that's

736
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 5: when I was with Michael and and that's when Michael

737
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 5: set me up with the opportunity to have that, to

738
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 5: be on that Social Deaf Christmas thing. That was like

739
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 5: my first you know moment, my first performance, all of

740
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 5: that stuff. I remember my homegirl Nisia dressed me. She

741
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 5: brings herse up to this day. Remember when I tressed

742
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: you for bet you remember how cute you look. I

743
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 5: was so good at that which she was. She was cute.

744
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: She had me in like I don't know what, but hey,

745
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 5: whatever I was wearing, Tanisiha got that for me. So

746
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 5: so so yeah, so that's when I So, that's when

747
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 5: I performed there, and that was like a big deal.

748
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 5: It was my first time I was in a recording

749
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 5: studio really, you know, it was my first time really.

750
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 5: I remember sitting at home playing those kind of chords

751
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 5: because I wanted to flip the Christmas song which was

752
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 5: Little Drummer Joy, which I changed to Little Drummer Girl,

753
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: and I played those kind of jazzy chords on it.

754
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 5: And as the first time I went to the studio

755
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 5: and really you know, produced the thing, like created it

756
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 5: said this is what I hear, this is the piano,

757
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: this is the this is the drums. I want all

758
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 5: that type of stuff, and and so and so that

759
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 5: was the That was the beginning of that. But after that,

760
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 5: Jermaine wasn't really a part of my project that you know.

761
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: That was kind of a one time thing that him

762
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 5: and Michael put together for the Christmas thing, and outside

763
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 5: of that, he wasn't really a part of my project

764
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 5: until the end. That's when we wrote the song Girlfriend together.

765
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 5: He was a part of that. But other than that,

766
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 5: it was myself and my my music partner, Crucial, who

767
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 5: did all of my first album with me and my

768
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 5: second album exactly, and and we were really were We

769
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 5: recorded everything out of a Harlem apartment on one Hunt

770
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 5: thirty seventh Street. Wow, it was like straight, I mean,

771
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 5: we had like the straight little you know comforters on

772
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 5: the wall straight raw. We used the We used the

773
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 5: closet as the vocal booth, which was a terrible idea

774
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 5: because it made everything sound like super small obviously what

775
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: I know now and never do that, But we did that.

776
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: We swore that was what it was.

777
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 5: Bathroom would have been bad. Ever, we didn't then do that.

778
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 5: We we recorded on on d A eighty eight. I

779
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 5: remember we got d we had the first The bed

780
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 5: was in the like it was the bedroom, So the

781
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 5: bed was in the room and we were like recording

782
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 5: around it and if we get a bass player to come,

783
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 5: they'd be sitting on the bed and I'd be standing

784
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 5: in the closet and he'd be chill. I mean, it

785
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 5: was like so tight. I remember. We used to sit

786
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 5: there and and and and research all the favorite records,

787
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 5: Like we listened to Smokey Robinson and we listened to

788
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 5: Isaac Hayes, and we'd be listening to ROBERTA. Flack and

789
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 5: Donnie Hathaway and we'd be like, what makes the record

790
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 5: sound so full? Like why does their music sound so full?

791
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 5: And like when I just put a piano and a

792
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: drum and a thing, what am I missing? And we

793
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 5: scoured it and was like, oh, there's roads in there.

794
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: Oh there's you know, there's like pads in there. And

795
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 5: it really started to teach me the process of production

796
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 5: and what creates like those those sonics and how they

797
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 5: go together, and especially Isaac Hayes, especially Isaac Hayes, because

798
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 5: he was just such a unique producer, you know, one

799
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: of my favorite favorite favorites. And so we did all

800
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 5: that in the crib and then probably towards the end

801
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 5: we would bring a few things to the studio, but barely.

802
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 5: I remember I did the intro the Young Moonlight Sonata

803
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 5: that I played as the intro. I did that at

804
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 5: the studio, and other than that, everything came from thirty

805
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: seventh Street. And there was a kid out on the

806
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 5: block because I've we've been recording all types of night

807
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 5: and they'd be a kid on the block that every

808
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 5: time I walk down the street, he'd be like, there

809
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 5: go hit a high note, because I know he was

810
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 5: outside on the block every night, and I was recorded

811
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 5: and he heard me reaching and trying to find my way,

812
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 5: reverberating through thirty seven between Fifth and Lenox. So that

813
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 5: is how songs in a minor came to life.

814
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: What is what is your relationship with songs? I noticed

815
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: that you're probably one of a handful of artists that

816
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: still creates songs that are are in twelve.

817
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: Eight meter.

818
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 5: Yees six eight three four.

819
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know that's that's traditionally like fifties sixties

820
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: ballot mode, which is you know, original, old school. But

821
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: yet you still keep that that tradition alive and that

822
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: that torch alive. What is your relationship and love for that,

823
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 2: because that's that's something that you've kept consistently on most

824
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: of your albums.

825
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 5: That's true on this one. I have one called Gramercy

826
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 5: Park and it has continued the vibe. But it's my

827
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 5: favorite time signature, my favorite you can play I can

828
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 5: play right now, luck you're on piano right now. I

829
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 5: could play anything, anything in sixth eight, and it makes

830
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 5: me want to sing. I don't know what happened. I

831
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 5: don't know what time. I know I was alive in

832
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 5: the sixties and the seventies for sure, anyway, and it

833
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 5: just sparks me. It will spark me every time. I

834
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 5: don't have to try, I don't have to think about it.

835
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 5: I know what to do, I know where it belongs.

836
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's just my perfect time signature.

837
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: Also, in the beginning, when you first got your deal,

838
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: at least with with with both Sony and with Jay Records,

839
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: they didn't try they didn't try to sign a producer

840
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: to you first, or at least like someone that they

841
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: felt like, are.

842
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 5: You kidding me? They assigned me so many damn producers.

843
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 5: I was in the studio with so many ridiculous idiots

844
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 5: that just you know, they had no respect for me

845
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 5: as a young woman. You know, I was, I was,

846
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 5: you know what, I was sixteen, what you know, sixteen.

847
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: They didn't They didn't think I could play anything. They

848
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 5: didn't think I could write anything. They you know, they

849
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 5: figured they could do it all. They didn't even care

850
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 5: what I thought. I didn't care what I brought, They

851
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 5: didn't care what my you know, it was like they

852
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 5: were whack. I remember, it was super trash. And I

853
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 5: felt so disheartened because I would go home and I'd

854
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 5: be like, is this what is going to be like?

855
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 5: Because I don't feel good, you know, And I would

856
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 5: go travel and I remember we used to go to

857
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: Maryland to work with this one guy, and I used

858
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 5: to dread it. I would be in the car, like

859
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 5: my stomach would just be like that feeling when you

860
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 5: just don't feel good, that stomach would always be there

861
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 5: because I was just terrified. It didn't feel comfortable. I

862
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 5: felt like, I don't know, I just did not feel comfortable.

863
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 5: And so at the time, Crucial and I had been

864
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 5: connecting and he was doing music and we you know,

865
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 5: we we would connect about different songs and we'd always

866
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 5: meet and have ciphers in the village and it was

867
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 5: like a vibe and and I remember one time I

868
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 5: was like, well, wow, we just like work on some

869
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: stuff together. And and that was the time that it

870
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: finally we tried some stuff and that was the first

871
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 5: time that I actually felt like comfortable.

872
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: Collaborsten to you and work for you.

873
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 4: So was Girlfriend the first song that you and him

874
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: work on?

875
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 7: And if not, could you just tell us the story

876
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 7: behind that song and how it came to fruition because

877
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 7: for me, that's the most like, that's one of my

878
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 7: top ten. Alicia Banger is consistent. You can play it

879
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 7: and it always sounds fresh.

880
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 5: I love that you asked me that, you know, Girlfriend

881
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 5: hmmm is one of my favorites too, because I am

882
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 5: a super wul tang fanatic.

883
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: Yes you are wait story, yo, I nothing will describe

884
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: the in a good way. The anger I felt when

885
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: I heard the opening chords to the Sands song on

886
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: On Here, Yo was Yo, you know, like but this

887
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: this is actually a compliment for the artists, Like when

888
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: when j tells the story when he first heard Who

889
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: Shot You for the first time, he sitting in the

890
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: car and Harlem outside the Apollo and big a placement

891
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: who Shot You?

892
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: And it just lit it fire.

893
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: Him just asked, like, my favorite who joint that's not

894
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: a hit single is the sane ods Uhang John. I thought,

895
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: no one's ever going to think to bring this John back,

896
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: so me and to me always talked like one now

897
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: we're going to bring.

898
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 5: Back it's so hard and you.

899
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: Open man, And I heard your record the night before

900
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: we did that thing in Times Square.

901
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: Yes, yo, I was that whole night man.

902
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: I was just it was I can't the last time

903
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: I felt that, seeving jealous rage that someone got to

904
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: an idea before I did. It was probably spotioly dope

905
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: alicious where I wanted to do with Joran when Tarik

906
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 2: just talked and didn't rhyme, and I was like so yes,

907
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: I know you're a wu tang head.

908
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 5: The fact that you even can pull that out and

909
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 5: even understand that and speak on that right now is

910
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 5: why record is that. It's on the here album, right

911
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 5: and it's called the Gospel.

912
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it.

913
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: You're actually spitting hot fire.

914
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: But even was like, oh ship, she's spitting like huh,

915
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: that's probably all time Alicia Key's favorite song. Like you

916
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: listen to it maybe probably five times a we're high

917
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: five leaders.

918
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 4: Fifteen year old okay, but with girlfriends.

919
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 5: Yes, right, So you know you're right though, And so

920
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 5: you know, at the time, I'm trying to flash back

921
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 5: there because at the time, writing was such a beautiful

922
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 5: new experience for me. It was like a real discovery

923
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 5: for me, and I and and and you know, I

924
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 5: was I was learning at light speed how to tap

925
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 5: into these emotions. And I remember, you know, listening heavy

926
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 5: to Mary J. Blige, heavy to Mary. I used to

927
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 5: rip Mary melodies so frequently just so that I could

928
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 5: like feel what it felt like to feel like her,

929
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Because she was so she

930
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 5: was so New York for me. She was my own

931
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 5: the only girl that I could actually relate to the

932
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 5: best Merry album right now, at least I keeps saying one. Actually,

933
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 5: my favorite is what's the full one one remix album?

934
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: The remix album not My Life.

935
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 5: New York Life. My life is definitely my favorite. It

936
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 5: is because it's but what's the full one remix album?

937
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 5: Is it? You got to ride out to that tomorrow

938
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 5: or tonight on your way home. Guess you're already home

939
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 5: or whatever? You know? You will remember.

940
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 6: The thing was before one one remix album was basically

941
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 6: the dress rehearsal for My life because exactly was that

942
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 6: just them her singing over the loops?

943
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that was That's.

944
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 5: Pretty much what it was. Hold on, let me tell

945
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 5: her what the girlfriend thinking is. We keep trying to

946
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 5: say it and all right, so so I'm gonna be

947
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 5: fast fat. So anyway, I was figuring out how to

948
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 5: write these songs, and I did stuff like Troubles, and

949
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 5: that was the first time that I like felt this

950
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 5: lost emotion, and so I was starting to learn how

951
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 5: to craft. I was starting to I worked with one

952
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 5: guy who he's please forgive me that I can't remember

953
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 5: the name off the top of my head, but he's

954
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 5: the other writer on girlfriend, and he was like a

955
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 5: really awesome songwriter. And it was the first time that

956
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 5: I worked with because I had started getting my own

957
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 5: skills together, and so I was starting to get more

958
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 5: comfortable collaborating once in a while with other people, whereas

959
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 5: originally it was just I didn't like it because they

960
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 5: didn't understand, they didn't care.

961
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: And so I collaborated, not Brian michael Cox.

962
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 5: Not Brian michael Cox. His name was something Thompson or

963
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 5: he was. I co wrote with him, and I really

964
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 5: started to understand. And I had this concept of being

965
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 5: this idea of being jealous of your girlfriend even though

966
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 5: she's just a girl that is your friend, and it's

967
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 5: like this feeling that you know, you know, you know,

968
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 5: you notice she don't like you.

969
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: But close.

970
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 5: It's just so so and I remember trying to put

971
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 5: that together. Sorry, I was just she filmed MS Thompson.

972
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: By the way, sim again Joshua Thompson.

973
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 5: Joshua Thompson, Yes, big up to Joshua Thompson. Excellent.

974
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: Might be my relative and I don't know it, of course.

975
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta ask you, like I've heard, I've heard

976
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 2: stories before that you know when you're when someone's.

977
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 3: The apple of Clive Davis's eye.

978
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: You know, all the stars aligned, everything works and everything's perfect.

979
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 3: What's it like to be in the whirlwind?

980
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and I don't know the story

981
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: of the beginning development at Jay Records, but you know,

982
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: looking throughout history where his work with Janis Joplin, even

983
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: Phil Simon, Whitney Houston.

984
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: Of course it didn't work, Jimmy cozyer.

985
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 4: I was just.

986
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: Let's see.

987
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 8: No, no, no, you know, for every for every Whitney,

988
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 8: there's there's gqu and there's Dom Blackman, there's other artist

989
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 8: or an Arista Records that didn't fare as well.

990
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: But what is it like? Or at least were you

991
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 3: aware of.

992
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: This is a major lottery ticket for you, like the

993
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: fact that probably the most powerful set of ears and

994
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: businessman in the music business is now at the Helm

995
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: and I'm certain he came out the gate like We're

996
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: gonna make you a star overnight, Like how do you.

997
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: What is what is that like?

998
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 5: This is so de Thank you for asking me that

999
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 5: question because I've definitely never been asked that question before.

1000
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: So we're not this is the stuff we.

1001
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 5: Love, right, this is why I'm loving this so basically,

1002
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 5: you know. Right. So, so I was at I was

1003
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 5: at Columbia and Michael Malden and that was my guy,

1004
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 5: and he was the head of music and it was

1005
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 5: a thing, and we started this whole project. And then

1006
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 5: as time happened, they you know, he ended up moving on.

1007
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 5: And I remember they brought the track masters in after

1008
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 5: Michael Maldon, and the track masters like totally didn't get me.

1009
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 5: They did not They was not trying to get me.

1010
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 5: And I remember like I was just like looking at them,

1011
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 5: like what what do you want me to do? I

1012
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 5: just I couldn't understand. And they just, you know, they

1013
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 5: just didn't they didn't get it. And it's all good,

1014
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And Donyina and all all

1015
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 5: them folks over at Columbia, they just they just missed

1016
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 5: the plot. And and so, you know, I looked at

1017
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 5: I looked at Jeff, and I was like, man, what

1018
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 5: are we going to do? Like I've been working so

1019
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 5: much on this music, and like, what are we going

1020
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 5: to do? And he was like, I got to try

1021
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 5: to get us out of here. And of course they

1022
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 5: you know, they're in the business of buying, not selling,

1023
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 5: so they weren't trying to sell me back anything, no music,

1024
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 5: no nothing, other but you don't like the shit, Why

1025
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 5: do you want it? You don't even what do you

1026
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 5: want it for? You don't like it. So that took forever.

1027
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 5: And the only reason why I got out of that

1028
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 5: was because we went to Clive. Clive, you know, got

1029
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 5: the vision and and he brought me out of my contract.

1030
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 5: You know, he really did. And I would have never

1031
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 5: been able to leave Columbia, not with my masters.

1032
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: They would have just left you sitting like me.

1033
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 5: They would have shoved me straight upright, called Frank maccombeer.

1034
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: That's what they would have done. Oh sorry, more names, right.

1035
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 5: So I was forever. I had a certain love for

1036
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 5: Clive that I could never ever express because I you know,

1037
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 5: as a young artist, I just was like he you know,

1038
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 5: he gave me this opportunity. And not only that, he

1039
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 5: was like the guy that was like, well what do

1040
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 5: you see for yourself? And how do you see your

1041
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 5: career going? And you know your your I see you

1042
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 5: as a Joni Mitchell. When he compared me to Joni Mitchell,

1043
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 5: that was it.

1044
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: I was.

1045
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 5: I was finished. I was like, did he just call

1046
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 5: me Jonnie Mitchell? Like this? Is. So his point was

1047
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 5: he never had to be you know, he didn't have

1048
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 5: to He didn't have to hover over me. He knew

1049
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 5: that I was an artist, you know, I created my

1050
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 5: own music. He was, He knew I was a producer,

1051
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 5: he knew I was a writer. He knew I did

1052
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 5: it all. I was a one package thing, and he

1053
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 5: was he loved it. So when times happened, and obviously

1054
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 5: he was at Arista, and then things shifted and they

1055
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 5: moved Clive out and moved la Read in. There was

1056
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 5: like a whole thing where Clive could choose like five

1057
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 5: five he could choose a certain amount of established artists

1058
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 5: and a certain amount of up and cooming artists. And

1059
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 5: I was one of the up and coming artists that

1060
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 5: he chose. But he couldn't offer any more money. La

1061
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 5: Read could ask me to, could have me stay, and

1062
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 5: he could offer me anything he wanted to offer me.

1063
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 5: So he did. And at the time, my man, it

1064
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 5: was just like, what's the thing to talk. We're not

1065
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 5: talking about nothing. Let's stay with la We good, Let's

1066
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 5: get a little extra paper, we straight what we're doing.

1067
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 5: And I was like I can't because Clive, like is

1068
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 5: the reason why I'm even able to be anywhere, you know, right,

1069
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 5: and so I was. I was so so I went

1070
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 5: with Clive, not even realizing that straight out of loyalty,

1071
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 5: not even realizing that because of the circumstance of the

1072
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 5: situation and him starting this, you know, this instant major

1073
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 5: which you remember he did with Jay, that he by

1074
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 5: me going with him, he had to win because he

1075
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 5: had to prove not knowing his story. I was a kid,

1076
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 5: I was freaking you know whatever, seventeen years old. He

1077
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 5: had to win. He had to win because they tried

1078
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 5: to doubt him. And because he had to win, he

1079
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 5: had to win with somebody, and that somebody happened to

1080
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 5: be me. But I didn't know that. I just went

1081
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 5: off of like ethics, like you know, you know, just

1082
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 5: because it's the right thing to do, and so and

1083
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 5: so I never knew how hard he went for me,

1084
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 5: which not was not only because he's one thousand percent

1085
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 5: believed in me, and he really did, but because he

1086
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 5: had It was like when he when I won one,

1087
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 5: and that's what that was, and it was a whole

1088
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 5: other animal. And nobody is like Clive. When he's focused,

1089
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 5: nobody can do what he does.

1090
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: So then let me ask you a year later, February

1091
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: of two thousand and two, when you win your your

1092
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: five Grammy Awards. Jesse Jeff has a similar story where

1093
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, they had a situation with Jive Records and

1094
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: thought that okay, well you know, y'all, y'all washed up,

1095
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: y'all done, And then of course Will comes back like

1096
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: a monster. They let him go because they thought like, well,

1097
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, after summertime, there's nothing left, so you're good,

1098
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: and then we'll be you know, And so they kind

1099
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: of had their their revenge moment in the elevator with.

1100
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 3: The staff of Jive Records. As you know, Will and.

1101
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: Jeff are are, you know, like they had words with

1102
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: the president and oh no hard feelings Will and everything.

1103
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: You know, it was like the great is feeling of revenge.

1104
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you know, there were any sights

1105
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: on Tommy or Donnie or anyone at the label, but

1106
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: surely they had to know shit they found up.

1107
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we done fucked up.

1108
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 5: I remember when I found out that Aretha Franklin was

1109
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 5: on Columbia Records. Remember she made all those jazz records.

1110
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 3: In Columbia, and then she had to go to Atlanta

1111
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 3: and they got.

1112
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 5: It right and they didn't get her on Columbia and

1113
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 5: I remember feeling like, see, then never get the good ship,

1114
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 5: you see? And I remember that actually felt validating to me.

1115
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 5: When I discovered that, I was like, I felt like

1116
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 5: I just it covered over any type of like feeling

1117
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 5: I might have held on to for them not understanding me.

1118
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm like, man, because if you don't

1119
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 5: get Roretha, then you you you. I don't know what

1120
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 5: to tell you. I just don't know what.

1121
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 7: On the flip side, did you feel like you had

1122
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 7: started an amazing trend with Clive? Because I us after

1123
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 7: that and you know, we all watch what goes on

1124
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 7: at the Dinners. It's like every year there was another

1125
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 7: powerhouse female. It felt wait, I felt like it was

1126
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 7: females being announced right from like Fantasia or I feel like,

1127
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 7: was it Jennifer Hudson.

1128
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 4: It's just been consistent.

1129
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: It was the other girl.

1130
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 5: What was her name, Leona Lewis Lewis she was a

1131
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 5: voice too. Yeah, there's a lot of strong, strong voices

1132
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 5: for sure.

1133
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 4: Right, but you were the first the jay, first Jay

1134
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 4: records strong.

1135
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like.

1136
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: The thing is from from my from my observation, because

1137
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: the first album sold so much, it was still gargantuan.

1138
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: You did something that a lot of your contemporaries in

1139
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 2: your particular field because of course, you know, I mean

1140
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: it's hard to categorize an artists or whatever, but you know,

1141
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: you were pretty much the pinnacle of commercial success for

1142
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: quote unquote leftist center artists. It wasn't it wasn't like

1143
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: you were in you know how the bad Boy Stable

1144
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: or whatever. It was considered super mainstream. And you did

1145
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,479
Speaker 2: something that no other artists in your field did, which

1146
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: was you had your sophomore record kind of ready and

1147
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: timely within a two year period, whereas this type of

1148
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: success could have easily been crippling. You know, everyone else

1149
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 2: takes five years, maybe a decade. One particular person is

1150
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: still waiting twenty two years him.

1151
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly.

1152
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: Right, exactly. So what in making a diary like for you?

1153
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: Is it even a thought of shit, what do I

1154
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: do now? How can I top this?

1155
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 5: You know, you know I was so yeah, I was

1156
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 5: just so itching to do new music. I remember, like,

1157
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 5: because I mean, who would have expected you know, songs

1158
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 5: in a minor to have that that that vibe. I

1159
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 5: went on my first tour. I did all these things

1160
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 5: for the first time, and and I was you know,

1161
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 5: I remember I had to sing so many cover songs

1162
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 5: because you know, I only had what the ten and so,

1163
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: and so I was just so ready to do new music.

1164
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 5: And it was quite a long time I didn't. I'd

1165
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 5: never been on tour before and and I've always been

1166
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 5: blessed to be a touring artist like I can. I mean,

1167
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 5: I can tour for two years. I can tour so

1168
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,959
Speaker 5: long just because of how it flows. So it took

1169
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 5: so long to be off the road and that was

1170
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 5: totally worldwide, and that was a whole new experience for me.

1171
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 5: And so when I came back, I was just dying

1172
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 5: to be in this. I just wanted to sing new songs.

1173
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 5: I was like, please, I need to sing new songs.

1174
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 5: So I didn't. I didn't. I remember we camped out

1175
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 5: at this one place and and called Campo down downtown,

1176
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 5: and I had the little there's like a little bedroom upstairs,

1177
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 5: and we we pretty much, you know, slept there every

1178
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 5: night and just woke up. And at that that was

1179
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 5: at the beginning where you know, we we'd done the

1180
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 5: we did you know, we did you don't know my

1181
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 5: we did you know my name? Kanye came in and

1182
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 5: we created that whole thing. And you know, I remember

1183
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 5: Easy Mob came in and racked in me and I

1184
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 5: was like a dream. I was like, ooh, Easy and

1185
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 5: I was I had the soul vision of doing the

1186
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 5: warning sample over if I was your woman. It's like

1187
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 5: it was a whole thing. And and so it was

1188
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 5: Dranva Dow.

1189
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 4: Did they get is this just the album that Dranva Dow?

1190
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1191
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Dry and Verda And that was what It

1192
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 5: was so cool because they did so simple. They did

1193
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 5: another one too, that's kind of I forget about and

1194
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh yeah, but so simple as the one.

1195
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 5: We had such a ball that time. So I just

1196
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 5: couldn't wait. And so I definitely didn't recall being conscious

1197
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 5: about the time span. I just knew that I had to.

1198
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 5: I definitely knew It's like it'd been a minute, and

1199
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 5: I knew I was ready to sing new songs. And

1200
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 5: I knew that they were pushing me because they always

1201
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 5: pushed me to release Fourth Quarter, which I never understood

1202
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 5: until way later.

1203
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 4: It's important. It's the most important quarter, is it not.

1204
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 5: It's Christmas they would push me and push me and

1205
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 5: push me at a fourth quarter and it would drive me.

1206
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 5: I was like why. And I remember we finished the

1207
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 5: whole the whole album in France because we were touring

1208
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 5: and we were we were doing international promo before I

1209
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 5: even finished the record. And I would they were, they were,

1210
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 5: they knew when I needed to release. They were pushing it.

1211
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 5: They were like, this is when we're coming out. Good

1212
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 5: luck finished the record. You're promoing while you're finishing. And

1213
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 5: I would, I would, I was. It was the worst

1214
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 5: experience of my life, the end of the end of

1215
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 5: Diary album. I was never more tired, exhausted. I remember,

1216
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 5: I I remember I you know, I would do get

1217
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 5: up and do interviews, you know, getting ready at six,

1218
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 5: first interview at at eight, interviews from like eight to six,

1219
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 5: one hour break, jump to the studio, be at the

1220
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 5: studio from seven to one, get back home, sleep until

1221
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 5: like five. And that was like it. And I had

1222
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 5: to finish the whole record and all the stuff, and

1223
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 5: and and be promoting you don't know my name at

1224
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 5: the same time in French tune on Nick Palmer Jon

1225
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 5: or something like that. That's the way I remembered it.

1226
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 5: They taught me it in French, and remember it is tuna,

1227
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 5: corn and parmisan, which is the French translation of you

1228
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 5: don't know my name.

1229
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 4: Yo can? I don't mean a backdrive.

1230
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 7: But I always said if I got a chance to

1231
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 7: talk to you, I wanted to ask you this, especially

1232
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 7: now that a lot of time has passed. I was

1233
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 7: always curious that first album, those Grammys that are mere mentioned.

1234
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 7: I remember that time also being kind of I assumed

1235
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 7: it was a little emotional for you because I remember

1236
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 7: a kind of pit against with India.

1237
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 4: I read, right, and.

1238
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 7: I remember you know that whole right. But it's interesting

1239
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 7: because like twelve fifteen, let's act like it's ten twelve

1240
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 7: years later, right.

1241
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 3: Later?

1242
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 4: No, please, I know, but I'm like, we young, know,

1243
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 4: we're young, No, right, I just wonder if you ever

1244
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 4: think about that?

1245
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 7: Did do you think differently about how that happened and

1246
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 7: how y'all were pitted against each other like that?

1247
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 4: Like, what do do you ever think about that?

1248
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 3: You know what?

1249
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 5: You know what? That's super deep that you asked me this,

1250
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 5: and now that I am an awakened, you know, adult woman,

1251
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 5: That's why I'm asking you, know, I think that's I

1252
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 5: think thank you actually for asking me that, because I

1253
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 5: really didn't understand what was happening at the time. I

1254
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 5: was so excited for both of us. First of all,

1255
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 5: you know, Indy IRI's music is so dope, and I

1256
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 5: was I continue to be a huge fan of her

1257
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 5: energy and her style, and she always had such a

1258
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 5: presence and we crossed past all the time, all the time,

1259
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 5: and even on that Oprah show. Right, she was on

1260
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 5: that Oprah show.

1261
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 4: I forgot about that.

1262
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: That's right, the Oprah there was you, Jill, because I

1263
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 2: remember Jill was on that show as.

1264
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 5: Well, India Mary Mary, Oh.

1265
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 4: This is the brunch? Is this the brunch?

1266
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 5: Now?

1267
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: No, I had a big episode and it was Alicia

1268
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: Jill Scott, like she just had the black women of

1269
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: the moment and that like that was a very crucial

1270
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 2: moment for everyone. Like Jill's record started selling triple and.

1271
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 5: Its huge for us. It was so big for us,

1272
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 5: and I loved I loved her so much, and when

1273
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 5: we were both nominated for so many records and the Grammys,

1274
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 5: it was like, shit was amazing. I was like, yo,

1275
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 5: this is crazy, Like look, I couldn't believe it. Whoever

1276
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 5: thought ever? And I know she was super excited, and

1277
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 5: I think in a way, you know, everything is such

1278
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 5: a blur and it's all so emotional, and it's all

1279
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 5: so like you you literally feel like you're on planet

1280
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 5: Mars when you the first time you're doing something like that.

1281
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 5: I mean, there's no way to explain it, there's no

1282
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 5: way to rationalize it. It's not normal, totally crazy, and.

1283
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 4: There's a little colorism in there too, like right fast forward.

1284
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 5: I mean, I think, you know, so what I was

1285
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 5: saying was I think that the night was so unbelievable

1286
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 5: that I when I ended up walking away with five Grammys,

1287
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 5: and I think, you know, she walked away with none.

1288
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 5: It was a shock. And I never even thought about

1289
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 5: what that would feel like for her, because you know

1290
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 5: she did, I don't. I mean, I know that she

1291
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 5: definitely verbalized her her feelings, but I think mostly she

1292
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 5: was brand new, you know, you you that's you don't

1293
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 5: even know how to internalize that when that happens, especially

1294
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 5: when you've worked so hard at what you're doing. And

1295
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 5: then this this this this idea of there being colorism

1296
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 5: involved with the reason why, and and that's so much

1297
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 5: that's so layered and deep and deep. Who controls that

1298
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 5: shit and like who can It's it's like so and

1299
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 5: I think that as time has passed, you know, I

1300
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 5: often actually hear her reference that experience for her, and

1301
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 5: it was it was hard for her. It was like

1302
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 5: a real you know, it was like an emotional, difficult moment.

1303
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 5: And I really now clearly understand what she means by that.

1304
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 5: I don't think I understood the depth of that during

1305
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 5: that time. And I actually would love to connect with

1306
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 5: her just on some like I mean, whenever I see

1307
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 5: her as super love. I love all her posts. We

1308
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 5: definitely have beautiful energy and connection. It's never been like

1309
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 5: anything she's held against me personally, but I would love

1310
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 5: to just like one hundred percent, like let her know

1311
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 5: a billion percent how amazing it has been to be

1312
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 5: able to grow up in this world with her incredible music,

1313
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 5: you know, because it's been a soundtrack for me. So

1314
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 5: I would actually love to connect with her on that.

1315
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 5: I just saw some woman a woman shit. So I'm

1316
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 5: really glad that you are super good. Go you says,

1317
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Thanks, babe.

1318
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: You know something this tour, I think with this record also,

1319
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 2: I got to see the I believe you Beyonce and

1320
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 2: Missy did a tour together or whatever? What was was

1321
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: that your first like major stadium tour? Like did you

1322
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 2: were you doing stadiums in during the the a minor

1323
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 2: period or was this the first time? Like I want

1324
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:36,560
Speaker 2: to know the difference between doing mid level theaters versus

1325
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 2: stadiums and how because I feel like the piano is

1326
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,839
Speaker 2: such a personal kind of intimate instrument.

1327
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: What was it like adjusting to bigger venues?

1328
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 5: Oh man, I remember, like, wow, what an amazing tour

1329
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 5: that was, Like wow, me be and Missy like come on,

1330
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 5: what is that? Like what is that? And I remember,

1331
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 5: you know it was. It felt so good and equally

1332
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 5: terrifying because every night was kind of like whoa, what

1333
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 5: what am I supposed to do with this? And like

1334
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 5: what happens? And why are all these people here? What

1335
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 5: are all these people doing here? But it was it

1336
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 5: was way way because I am I'm truly like you

1337
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 5: see me in a theater and I will blow your

1338
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 5: brains out. Nobody can touch me when I'm in a

1339
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 5: theater space period, I saw that, I saw that tour.

1340
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 5: It is my strength. It is something that is just

1341
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 5: a place that it works for me. The piano, the

1342
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 5: conversation and intimacy.

1343
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 4: It's just dancing.

1344
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 5: It's just my world, you know. And in transitioning into

1345
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 5: transitioning into the arenas and stadiums was a huge difference

1346
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 5: because it just was way different way. So I remember

1347
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 5: it took me a while to kind of understand, and

1348
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 5: I didn't. I never had like a bunch of stuff,

1349
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 5: you know, like things falling from the.

1350
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 3: Sky, technics and stuff.

1351
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 5: Who I just I was like, here, go to the

1352
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 5: piano and hit go my band, and I'm like that

1353
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 5: was always my thing, which was totally good. But I

1354
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 5: didn't even have like killer lighting. It was like just

1355
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 5: early you don't you start now. Obviously I know how

1356
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 5: to kill a thing in my style, but it was

1357
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 5: a whole new world and I probably felt like I

1358
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 5: was drowning a little bit.

1359
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 7: Meanwhile, I'm still mad we didn't get service that Beyonce

1360
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 7: record that y'all did together the way we should have.

1361
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 4: I feel like it was like you're.

1362
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 5: Right, you know, you know you're right, and it's just

1363
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 5: I just wanted just form of those things. I know.

1364
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 5: It was so sick. It was so I actually wish

1365
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 5: I could just find it so I could show her

1366
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 5: now and be like, why don't we just put this

1367
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 5: out now? Because it's like who cares?

1368
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 3: Now?

1369
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 4: It goes with you know, black.

1370
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 5: Is coming, like who cares? Now, let's just do it?

1371
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 5: So I might need to try it, honestly, I have

1372
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 5: to actually see if I can find that thing's crazy?

1373
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 5: That was a vibe though, that was that was the something.

1374
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 2: I can go through your entire discography, but I do

1375
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 2: want to jump to your newest album.

1376
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 3: What are you still learning?

1377
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 2: Things like what while you're making records now? Are you

1378
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 2: at a place where it's now just not coasting? And

1379
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: I know that coasting sounds like a lazy term or whatever,

1380
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: but you know, I also believe that, well, if something works,

1381
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 2: and don't mess with it too much, But like, what

1382
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: else can you What else can you learn that you're

1383
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: going to bring to the Alisha record that you haven't

1384
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: done before, or you one of these artists that you know,

1385
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: get out of my comfort zone and try something I

1386
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 2: never tried before, or just an evolution.

1387
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:47,520
Speaker 5: I am always always learning, like always, I am always

1388
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 5: uncertain of what I'm going to create always, and I

1389
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 5: never want to know. I never I never want to

1390
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 5: get to that place where I say, oh, I know

1391
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 5: what I do. I add this thing, and you know,

1392
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 5: then if I put this and I add a hook,

1393
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 5: like this is gonna be us, It's gonna be normal's

1394
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 5: gonna be then let's go. I don't want it to

1395
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 5: be formulaic. Ever. I never want to feel like I

1396
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 5: know how to write. Every time I get in the studio,

1397
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 5: I'm like, how do I write a song? Again, like,

1398
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 5: how do I write a song? And what kind of

1399
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 5: song am I gonna actally? Every time? And I love

1400
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 5: that feeling because I always want the magic, and that's

1401
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 5: what we're chasing, right, That's what we're chasing, that like

1402
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,959
Speaker 5: thing that we never knew would come. And I always

1403
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 5: want to feel that. So for me, I'm always learning.

1404
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 5: I never exactly have a formula. I never know exactly

1405
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do. I'm always trying something new in

1406
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 5: this particular album for Lesia, I'm always learning something new

1407
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 5: about myself. It's been a very deep self discovery for

1408
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 5: me in these past two three years and really like

1409
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 5: getting to know and be comfortable purely clearly in my skin,

1410
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 5: in the different sides of me, not trying to be

1411
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 5: something and no, here's me. This is what that sounds like,

1412
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 5: Here's me, that's that side of me. Here's vulnerable. I'm

1413
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 5: cool being vulnerable. Here's angry, pissed off heated, I'm cool

1414
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 5: being angry, pissed off, E said the press down blue.

1415
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 5: I'm cool being that. It's like I finally feel comfortable

1416
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 5: just being how I am without trying to fix it

1417
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 5: and change it or whatever. So for the first time,

1418
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 5: you're getting the officially uncut real me because I'm able

1419
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 5: to be that. And if there's one thing that I

1420
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 5: learned this time that I'm actually gonna take them to

1421
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 5: my next project, which is already three quarters of the

1422
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 5: way done, and you're gonna go bananas. I can't wait

1423
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 5: for you to. This next one is bananas. Is never

1424
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 5: to forget to be alone with myself. Because on my

1425
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 5: very very first Alisha of songs in a Minor, I

1426
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,759
Speaker 5: was a lot alone, very much alone. I rolled alone

1427
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 5: all the time. Besides crucial, that was kind of it.

1428
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 5: It was my thing, my world. And over time I've

1429
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 5: gotten used to collaborating with people and it's been fun

1430
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 5: because I can create different sonics and places and sounds,

1431
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 5: and it's like feels less lonely and it's just a world.

1432
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 5: But when I'm by myself, and I reminded that when

1433
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 5: I wrap this Alisha album, when I'm by myself, it

1434
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 5: brings out something that I have to always cultivate. And

1435
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 5: that was my most most recent reminder slash lesson and

1436
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 5: what I will you know, be taken forth through this

1437
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 5: next project that I can't wait to be on the

1438
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 5: show again talking to you.

1439
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 7: About promise because we got more to talk about.

1440
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 3: Can I ask one last question before we were out?

1441
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So I gotta say, probably one of the

1442
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 2: most impressive things that I've seen you do.

1443
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

1444
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 2: So I was there this year at the at the

1445
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 2: Grammy Awards, and because we were playing with Garrett Clark Junior,

1446
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 2: so you know, I was pretty much there throughout the

1447
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 2: duration of the rehearsals and sit in the background and

1448
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, watching you camera block and all these things

1449
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: and prepare for it, and then of course, uh uh

1450
01:16:51,479 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 2: Kobe passes away, which totally changes uh every absolutely the

1451
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 2: entire just it's a paradigm shift like no other. And

1452
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, the the last time I saw them in

1453
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 2: a moment of panic was kind of I guess in

1454
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: what two thousand and seven, two thousand and six, when

1455
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: the quote unquote Rihanna situation happened and they had to

1456
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: readjust with like three hours left and they had to

1457
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 2: really readjust the show. I gotta say, man, that was

1458
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: like I wouldn't have been able to pull that off

1459
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 2: how you handled it, And it was a thing where

1460
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 2: you kind of had to wing it a little bit

1461
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 2: and readjust it for the show. And I you know,

1462
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: some people are good under like come to your head

1463
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: pressure and that Jordan game six, this shot better go

1464
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: in the basket moment. But I've like I was out

1465
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 2: of everything at night. I was really impressed with.

1466
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 3: How you.

1467
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: Hosted the show and how you handled the words for

1468
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 2: Kobe and didn't let it rattle you or whatever.

1469
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 3: Like you did it with a very very smooth with the.

1470
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 4: Strength of fifty black women on your shoulders. That's how

1471
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 4: you did it. You know, woman doing what she does.

1472
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 5: Come on.

1473
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, like what when you got the news that

1474
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: that happened and I'm certain that you know there was

1475
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 2: five hours left before showtime, Like what what was running

1476
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 2: through your like what pressure was running through your mind

1477
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: that we now have to readjust the show? Like you

1478
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: did something with boised men with a quick that's so funny.

1479
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: Boys to Men was also used for the quote Rihanna period,

1480
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no literally literally they were kN kN

1481
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: was running in the audit because they that was the

1482
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: year they decided to like double up on performances. So

1483
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: between Rihanna and Chris, there were like five performances that

1484
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: no longer existed and they needed to fill time, and

1485
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: so they were just running in the audience like.

1486
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, Al Green, Steve, like Stevie, one of the.

1487
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 2: Jonas brothers, can Y'll do super And they were just

1488
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 2: running in the audience, grabbing people, learning songs with like

1489
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 2: hours left, which was really like seconds left. So I

1490
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 2: know that, like what was going through your mind that

1491
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 2: I now have to rise to the moment and be

1492
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 2: the words of comfort for grieving nation.

1493
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 5: I can't even tell you how crazy the whole experience

1494
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 5: was before it even became the gravitized that it did

1495
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 5: when with Kobe's and gig and.

1496
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like that on top of what I was

1497
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 2: seeing you go through already.

1498
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 5: No, So what I mean is, and I'm bringing that

1499
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 5: up because the crazy thing is, you know, planning for

1500
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 5: that particular thing and this was my se and time back,

1501
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 5: and you know, I was extra in my head, like

1502
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 5: I kind of killed it the first time. I'm going

1503
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 5: to really have to figure out like what I'm gonna do.

1504
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 5: And I was like, am I crazy for saying yes?

1505
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 5: Who would say yes and compete against themselves? Dude? What

1506
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 5: type of idiot move was that? So by the time

1507
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 5: it was close to actually doing it, way before this news,

1508
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 5: I was already like just trying to crack the code

1509
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:28,480
Speaker 5: because everything that I had planned for for my performance

1510
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 5: and for hosting nothing came through. Every artist that I

1511
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 5: reached out to, every particular big idea that I had,

1512
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 5: even those that said yes, slowly dropped out, and I

1513
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 5: could not figure what was happening. I was like, please, Universe,

1514
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 5: what do you want from me? What is happening? I'm

1515
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 5: you asking me to step into this moment, you asking

1516
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 5: me to be great, but I can't lock anything in.

1517
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 5: Why what is the matter? And so I finally had

1518
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 5: to this moment with myself and I was like, Okay, Alicia, look,

1519
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 5: it's it's you. You. You don't have to depend on

1520
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 5: anybody else. You you don't need this and that and

1521
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 5: that person that person to be great. You are you

1522
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 5: are you, and you can do it by yourself. Your Yeah,

1523
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 5: you're enough, So go out there and just be great

1524
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 5: and stop. And so I was like, okay, all right.

1525
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 5: I tried to get the things, and the things okay, boom.

1526
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 5: So we're working through everything, got all the pieces, put

1527
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 5: it all together, had on the thing, had an entrance,

1528
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 5: how the whole thing. And I was already dressed because

1529
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 5: we planned to be dressed for run through, because I

1530
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 5: had maybe an hour an hour before the show starts,

1531
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 5: so that I could be dressed quick, touch up, meditate, cool,

1532
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 5: get myself together, be ready to kill. It had to

1533
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 5: be it had to be thirty minutes before the end

1534
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 5: of the show, which gave me one hour and a

1535
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 5: half max. Before showtime. Truly, I mean it was like

1536
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,799
Speaker 5: that close and Ken I remember I saw them shuffling

1537
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 5: in the corner and I was like, what's going on

1538
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 5: And he was like, a Lisha, I really have to

1539
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 5: talk to you. And I said, what's going on?

1540
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 3: Oh, you didn't even know?

1541
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 5: And it was backstage that I was like halfway between

1542
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 5: one thing and the other and he was like Kobe,

1543
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 5: and I was like what and he was like and

1544
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 5: I was.

1545
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 4: Like what how much time before show time?

1546
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 5: An hour and a half and I was and I

1547
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 5: wasn't like what because it was an hour and a half.

1548
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 5: I was like what because what Kobe No Way? Never

1549
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 5: not Kobe no Way, of course, And I remember causin

1550
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 5: Swiss called me and he's like, Babe, what's going on?

1551
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my god, I just got

1552
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 5: the news. He was like, I need to know what's happening.

1553
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 5: And I was like I don't. I don't know. I

1554
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 5: need to know what you're doing. I was like I

1555
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 5: don't know what I'm doing. He was like, you don't understand, babe.

1556
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 5: People are out here hurting. You can't be up there

1557
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 5: at some fucking Grammys like this is Kobe. And I

1558
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 5: was like I know, I don't. I was like I

1559
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 5: don't know. He was like I need us talk about

1560
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 5: this and this has to be right, and I was

1561
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 5: like I know, and I was just like whoa. I

1562
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 5: was just trying to catch the But it dawned on

1563
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 5: me in that moment. That's why nothing worked, because I

1564
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 5: was supposed to be ready for that, and so when

1565
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 5: that landed on me, I was like oh, and I

1566
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 5: felt like a different type of calm that I didn't

1567
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 5: even know that I had, because I realized all this anxiety,

1568
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 5: all this pressure, all of this feeling like I wasn't enough,

1569
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,759
Speaker 5: all of this whatever it meant nothing. All I needed

1570
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 5: to do was show up for us because I needed

1571
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 5: it just as bad as everyone else needed I didn't

1572
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 5: know what. I just like, shit, what do we do

1573
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 5: with this? And what if it was me and my son?

1574
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 5: And what happens with House Vanessa? And what must I feel?

1575
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 5: I was like I couldn't even fathom. And so I

1576
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 5: remember the whole team came backstage and was like, I

1577
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 5: was like, what are we going to do? And they

1578
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 5: were like, and A call Swiss and I'm like, okay,

1579
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 5: we could maybe. He was like, you gotta sing something.

1580
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 5: I was like, I gotta sing something. What could I h?

1581
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,759
Speaker 5: Can I sing? Maybe I could sing Eyes on a Sparrow?

1582
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 5: I was like, what could I sing? Let me think?

1583
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 5: Let me think? And then I remember seeing Boys to

1584
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 5: Men with Tyler the Creator and I remember Omar one

1585
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 5: of my MD's. He was like, it's so hard to

1586
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 5: say goodbye. I said, Oh, Boys to Men is here.

1587
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 5: I was like, can we can they come? Would they

1588
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 5: be willing to do it, we should do it. And

1589
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 5: they came to my room and we were like on

1590
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 5: the piano, and I was like, key key key, or

1591
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 5: should we do key key? And I and I started

1592
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 5: to think about what the words were. And I had

1593
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 5: been working on the scripts of what I was saying anyway,

1594
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 5: so we, you know, we quickly pivoted about like what

1595
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 5: did it feel like in that moment? And that was

1596
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,879
Speaker 5: it and we had to go. And I just remember

1597
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 5: that I walked it that stage and I felt so clear,

1598
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 5: I mean so clear about what I was there for

1599
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 5: and and that and then that was that was that.

1600
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 5: But honestly, it's you know, it was divinity, and it

1601
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 5: was God and it was you know, God holding me

1602
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 5: and protecting and just the way that it was however

1603
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 5: it is supposed to be that I never would have

1604
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 5: imagined in my life. But whoa, I.

1605
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, I recognized that moment and was really beyond

1606
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 2: impressed with how you handled.

1607
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 7: That because so the people at home, we knew nobody

1608
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 7: could do it better than you. I don't know who

1609
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 7: else to have done it like that and made it

1610
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 7: seem since here and not scripted, to be honest.

1611
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 5: So no, I mean, we all meant it. We were

1612
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 5: all like still mourning man, So thank you for so

1613
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 5: thank you for that. And and I loved this interview, guys.

1614
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 5: I love it. I know everybody probably come on tell

1615
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 5: them tell you how much they love you. But this

1616
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 5: is so good. I love it.

1617
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: This, This is nerd paradise like our Jimmy jam episode

1618
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: is damnling near seven hours.

1619
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's believe. If it wasn't nobody on the line,

1620
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 4: we be holding you all along.

1621
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 3: Thank you for doing this.

1622
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 2: And of course you know we'll have you on the

1623
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: show again so we can nerd out some more.

1624
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,759
Speaker 5: I can't wait. Man, y'all, thank you. You're so blessed,

1625
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 5: You're so beautiful, you're so amazing all of y'all quests.

1626
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 5: I'm a super fan. Man. You are very very very

1627
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 5: very important to us and to me.

1628
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1629
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: And I will I will text you guys, row Yes,

1630
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 2: I will. I'll text it to you after meditation playlist.

1631
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 2: I will meditation please.

1632
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 5: All right, thank you, Steve. I wish you talked more

1633
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 5: because I'm interested in.

1634
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: Alisa Keys, ladies and gentlemen. My name is quest Love

1635
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 2: be after Team Supreme. Like fan take a little sugar

1636
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 2: Steve and I Hate Phil. We will see you on

1637
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 2: the next proround.

1638
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:02,280
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01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:06,960
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