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Speaker 2: neck of the woods. With all that being said, you're

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Speaker 1: Well, I just wanted to know if we can refer

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Speaker 1: to USC as the valuable LA market, not as not

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Speaker 1: is the valuable LA market looking like an outside linebacker?

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Speaker 1: What does the valuable LA market look like schedule wise?

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Speaker 1: Because if that's what college football is telling us, USC

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Speaker 1: Riley sticks around the valuable LATV market for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any big picture pack twelve South thoughts?

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, could the stakes ever be higher than they

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Speaker 1: You did it? I love that riff, you and Harold.

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Speaker 2: All I want to do is learn to play that

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Speaker 1: Ty. I think it's it's very simple. It sounds very

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Speaker 1: diffic It's just like you could teach a ten year

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Speaker 2: it's top gun. It's Utah, it's USC.

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Speaker 1: Surely you're pointing to a ton of just like crazy

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Speaker 1: Is the valuable LA market? Sure? Continue?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not so much. We'll talk about that, okay, and

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Speaker 2: much much more so. Top gun is my go buy

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Speaker 2: here for the PAC twelve South, where are we going first?

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Speaker 1: Well, we started with Wazoo, we started with a wild

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Speaker 1: be your top guns, yeah they are. Who is your

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Speaker 1: wild card plane? Who is your wild card commander? Who

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Speaker 1: is your wild card? Look, they're not looking like they'll

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Speaker 1: be air Arizona State for me, Dan, Oh kiddo, Wow,

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Speaker 2: That would be That would be Arizona State for me.

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Speaker 2: Arizona State eight and five last year. For the purposes

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Speaker 2: of this odd, albeit cumbersome comparison, Arizona State is kind

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Speaker 2: of the goose of the storyline. They are just in

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Speaker 2: a very weird place.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know where ASU is at as a program.

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Speaker 2: It feels like they've lost a little bit of that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say that love and feeling

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Speaker 1: It's not good.

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Speaker 2: So look, statistically speaking, Statistically speaking, this was like the

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Speaker 2: Rashad White, Jane Daniels, demntre train them. Now they're all gone.

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Speaker 2: They're all gone, along with a bunch of other guys.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't just those three And I think we are in

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Speaker 2: this moment now wondering when it's going to be Herm

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Speaker 2: At ASU, there was a transfer exodus away from this program.

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Speaker 2: There is a real sense that the ship is going down.

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Speaker 2: The question for me is how is if Herm can

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Speaker 2: I really don't. I think this is a foregone conclusion

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Speaker 2: It is a full rebuild on offense. Don't confuse what

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to bet on that. Okay, I'm not

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Speaker 1: The quarterback is Emory Jones. Yeah, say the Emery Jones

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's either Emory Jones, who transfers in from Florida,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Nagata and Xavian valadee who transfers down will be

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Speaker 2: the focal points of the offense as it relates to

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Speaker 1: They're going to be running behind a new line.

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Speaker 2: There is a much out wide to really take pressure

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. That part, to me, is a great unknown

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Speaker 2: The over under is five and a half. I would

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Speaker 2: not touch it with a ten foot poll. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying bet on ASU, but.

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Speaker 1: I do have the contradiction here continue.

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Speaker 2: It's it's weird to me. It's just this odd state

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Speaker 2: of being with ASU or the narrative is horrible, and

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Speaker 2: you could see it with your own eyes that things

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Speaker 1: I love where you went with this. I love where

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to an ASU game? They're pretty fun.

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Speaker 1: in North Texas, transfers on both sides of the ball

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00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: being difference makers. That's the concern to me that at

437
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: this point, this many years into his tenure, into Chip's

438
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: tenure at UCLA, that he hasn't recruited better out of

439
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: LA He hasn't developed quarterbacks in the way that he

440
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: was able to at Oregon. That you know, he obviously

441
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: hired the wrong guy to be his defensive coordinator, and

442
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: that year over year there just seems to be a

443
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: bunch of guys leaving leaving. Yeah, that's worrisome. So I

444
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: have them. I understand the optim I have them at

445
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: best eight and four, probably a seven to five type team. Yeah,

446
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you, Dan, it's just hard

447
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: to get worse along the lines and get better.

448
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: They could be worse, but because the schedule is workable,

449
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: still finish with that eight win mark.

450
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: There's the catastrophic defense thing as well, right, that they're

451
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: gonna be no matter who what side of the conference

452
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: they play in. I mean, they have Colorado, they have Arizona,

453
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: they could have your wildcard champion Arizona States Like, they

454
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: could be playing a number of horrendous defenses and that's

455
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: just enough to get to seven eight wins. Yeah, okay, No,

456
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't like us.

457
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 2: Well, we can talk about USC, but UCLA that much

458
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: this year because they have not done really anything to

459
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: address that glaring question, that blinking red light that is

460
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: their catastrophic defense as you phrased it.

461
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't go full catastrophic. I don't know what

462
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: the numbers say they were last year, but it was

463
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: definitely a reason that teams were in games that they

464
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been, even in UCLA wins. So no, I

465
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: get the optimism because of the top of that offense.

466
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: But I just how many games can they score forty

467
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: seven points in? That's the problem.

468
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, where do you want me to go next?

469
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: Let's stay in town in that valuable LATV market and

470
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: talk about the valuable LATV market.

471
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: USC USC USC four and eight last year.

472
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Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Yeah? I definitely can. It was

473
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: definitely something I could look back and.

474
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Speaker 2: Say, Yeah, four and eight last season. They lost in

475
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Speaker 2: Week two to Stanford. That gave them license along with

476
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: I guess the previous three years to get rid of

477
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Speaker 2: Clay Hilton. You'll remember us questioning all off season how

478
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: long of a leash he would get and the answer

479
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: was none, he got no leash. They lost to Stanford,

480
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: and then it was it was done. And really from

481
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: that point forward, USC became sort of the most interesting

482
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: story in college football, certainly in the off season going

483
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: into the twenty twenty two season. USC, in this odd

484
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: analogy is Maverick.

485
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: It's a wildcard, flies by the seat of his pants,

486
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: completely unpredictable. Kind of feels like USC to me.

487
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: You know, we've had expectations for this program for a while.

488
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: They obviously took a big swing here. Gave Lincoln Riley

489
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: a king's ransom to leave Norman, Oklahoma.

490
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: Looks like you bought a.

491
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: Nice house with it. Doesn't have a helipad, though, I'm

492
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: a little disappointed.

493
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: No, hell ah. I mean he's probably traveling to downtown

494
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: from where he is rolling hills estates early enough where

495
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: he'll beat traffic.

496
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's got an infinity pool. I didn't see

497
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: that though, right, But gave him a king's ransom, And

498
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: now because of all the dust he has kicked up,

499
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: USC is getting crazy hype again.

500
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: USC. If you can believe.

501
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: It is twenty to one to win the national championship,

502
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: that is ahead of Utah. Utah is eighty to one.

503
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: Her name is sixty to one USC, maybe only because

504
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: Vegas needs to protect itself a little bit from Bett's

505
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: coming in twenty to one. That is the fifth lowest odds,

506
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: behind Georgia, behind Alabama, Ohio State, maybe Clemson as well.

507
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: So expectations are really high for USC. There is still

508
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: a wild card quality, there's still a Maverick quality here

509
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: to the Trojans, because you know that if they are

510
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: running optimally, if they are converting on all of the

511
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: talent that they have access to if they're able to

512
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: get that defense in order and get Caleb Williams, and

513
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, it's cast of characters playing at a really

514
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: high level. You could totally see the upside here. I

515
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: mean it jumps off the page at you. It's very exciting,

516
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: but also also it might be a bit unrealistic given

517
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: where we're at right now with usc football. So here's

518
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: the rub. Lincoln Riley comes over, gets a ton of money,

519
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: lands the number one on transfer class in the nation.

520
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: This was free agency. This was free agency in college football.

521
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: He's got the transferre quarterback in Cale Williams. He's got

522
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: two running backs who came over, Travis Dye and Austin Jones.

523
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: He's got four wide receivers in the form of Mario Williams,

524
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison, Terrell Binham, Brendan Rice, Jerry Rice's kid who

525
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: comes over from Colorado. The skill talent has all been

526
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: upgraded in a really big way, really big headline grabbing way.

527
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: And then they took a few more transfers in on

528
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: defense as well to give the linebacking corps a boost.

529
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: That momentum had been very tangible, and it has translated

530
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: through to the regular recruiting department, which has also been

531
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: very strong. So a lot of steam on USC right now,

532
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: a lot of steam. It's going to help them this season.

533
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: It's certainly going to help them in the recruiting game,

534
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 2: both high school recruiting and transfer recruiting in the future.

535
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: But I emphasize moving forward because there are areas that

536
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: weren't upgraded, and those happened to be all the areas

537
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: where USC could have really used an upgrade. Yeah, okay,

538
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: like it helps to get a better quarterback and all

539
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: those great skill positions, but what about the offensive line, Dan, Yeah,

540
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: you know, they're starting experience along the line, but they

541
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: didn't do enough to boost it in my opinion. So

542
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: it's not like this is an overnight rebuild for the

543
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: new offensive line, like it's it's gonna take a while

544
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: to get there. Typically, offensive lines are not the kind

545
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: of thing that you can just snap your fingers and

546
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: suddenly fix It takes time.

547
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, the offensive line was actually okay last year. It

548
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: had gone a run of not being great and I

549
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: don't think you know, they had the NFL draft talent

550
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: the couple of years before that, but it was sort

551
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: of lost in that it was kind of a wasted

552
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: season and they weren't playing a ton of great defenses.

553
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: But I think it had been worse before last year

554
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: when you look at what they were able to do

555
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: against Oregon in the the pac TWORF Championship game that year.

556
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: In some big moments, they were certainly let down, but

557
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. The underlying numbers are like, they were

558
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: good in protecting both Jackson Dart and Keidan Slovas last year,

559
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: and that a lot of that I think has to

560
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: do with the type of offense. They were running the

561
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: balls out for pretty quickly, so it's hard to fully gauge,

562
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: but they ran the ball better than they had been

563
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: last year. They ran the ball better, and it's you know,

564
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: it's transfers and whatever. Once again, I think the offensive

565
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: line is okay, But I think your underlying point of

566
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: they would have been wise to try to upgrade is

567
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: not wrong. It's not all bad.

568
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: We're not talking half offense the way we talk about

569
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: a u UCLA half team with its defense. Right to

570
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: say the lines of catastrophe would be going a little

571
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: bit too far, but look what they did in the

572
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: red zone. They got like no push in the red

573
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: zone at all. That's when you need to get that

574
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: push up front. The other thing that I will call

575
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: out here with USC or the valuable LA TV market,

576
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: as I've been led to believe the defense. Last year,

577
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: the defense collapsed. They were terrible. I think they'll be

578
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: okay up front. There's enough back to be okay. At linebacker.

579
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: They lose Drake Jackson, He's tough to replace. They did

580
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: take in two more transfers from Bama and ASU, as

581
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, to help fill out that linebacking corps.

582
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the cornerback spot.

583
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: This is again another situation in this case for Alex

584
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: Grinch that is not an overnight fix. I'm not an

585
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: Alex Grinch evangelist.

586
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm just not.

587
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: I think he's fine. I wonder if he's the right

588
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: guy for the job or not. I guess we'll find out.

589
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: But I do think it's going to take more time

590
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: on that defensive side of the ball. This is not

591
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: a Utah situation, you know, where this thing is set

592
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: in stone and they're going to be just fine. There's

593
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: a track record, and you know USC has had a

594
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: problem defensively with toughness. You read what other coaches say,

595
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: they get pushed around. So again, new system, new frame

596
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: of mind, a lot of momentum on this program, a

597
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: lot of shiny new toys. But the underlying stuff for

598
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: me is the offensive line needs to get better to

599
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: support that offense, and certainly on defense. They got to

600
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: figure this out because because they were bad last season.

601
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: So what am I saying?

602
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: Will USC be better? One hundred percent? They will be

603
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: better one hundred percent. The influx of skill talent, it's amazing.

604
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: It'll make them fun to watch. They will continue to

605
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: be one of the more interesting storylines in college football.

606
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: But the shiny new toys also paper over some of

607
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: the underlying stuff that I do think will ultimately get

608
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: in their way. Defense, in particular, a pretty big open

609
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: question for me. So what I bet on USC at

610
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: twenty to one? No, I mean, come on, Vegas is

611
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: the over under at nine and a half. I think

612
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: because the schedule's favorable. If you want to bet on

613
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: USC winning ten games, be my guest. I don't want

614
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: any part of that bet. I'm not going anywhere near that,

615
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: not just because of some of the pre existing stuff

616
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: that I discussed here, but right, just like there's a

617
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: lot of transfers. Man, some it takes a minute sometimes

618
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: for that to gel and work together. And all star

619
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: teams don't always play great together at first.

620
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: Blush.

621
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: So in looking at this, I was I, there's a

622
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: chance they could lose to Stanford a week two.

623
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: Again, No there's not. There's one thousand percent, not a chance.

624
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: Speak speak in a universe that is based in reality.

625
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Get out of here with that. I don't know. I

626
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: just look.

627
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm not as high on USC as apparently Vegas is,

628
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 2: and I think they'll be fun as hell. Eight and four,

629
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: nine and three is my thing for USC.

630
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you're making me be a counterpoint, a counterpart about

631
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: the LA TV market with this, which is not my

632
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: usual place to be. They should have the best offense

633
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: in the conference. Yes, because of that kind of firepower,

634
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: because of Lincoln Riley's experience helping to develop quarterbacks, certainly

635
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: behind better offensive lines, the best of his offensive lines

636
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma or I presume better than where USC's will

637
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: be this year. But I'm saying USC's line will be

638
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: good enough for this offense to do what it intends

639
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: to do, which is get the ball to speed which

640
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: will be run more success. Like Travis Dye is a

641
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: really good running back. He is Travis Dye. Was he

642
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: the offensive player of the Year in the Pac twelve last

643
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: year as a backup for Oregon. He was in that conversation.

644
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: If he wasn't, I don't have that in front of me.

645
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: And so he's experienced and not a huge dude, doesn't

646
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: have huge top end speed, but good. He's a good

647
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: running back and I think he's going to take the

648
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: majority of the carries there and a lot of running

649
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: backs have succeeded in Lincoln Riley's offense. Is this the

650
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: best receiver duo in the conference? Yes? Is it the

651
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: best receiver due in the country? Possibly?

652
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: Probably? Probably, probably Yeah.

653
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: And then you look at the defenses on USC's schedule. Now, wow,

654
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: you can say, Okay, they're going to lose something dumb,

655
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: but to whom, to whom exactly are they going to

656
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: like losing to Utah and Notre Dame. No shame in

657
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: that these are teams that are much farther along in

658
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: terms of overall talent on both sides of the ball

659
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: than everybody else on USC's regular season schedule. So if

660
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: USC is merely as good ish as they should be.

661
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: They're winning ten games, plus you're penciling in Tyler Buckner,

662
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: and I know the Utah is on the road, but

663
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: I think if USC's offense is really really good, they

664
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: can beat Utah.

665
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: I think I think Utah is going to push us

666
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: year round totally, and I think Utah is going to

667
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: win that game. The Notre Dame game is in LA

668
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: and I think by that point in time, hopefully Notre

669
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: Dame will have itself figured out organized, presumably around Tyler Buckner,

670
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: they should allo would be solid on both sides of

671
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: the ball.

672
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: USC will have a full season.

673
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: Under its belt at that point too, But I do

674
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: think that I like Notre Dame in that matchup. And

675
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: again coming back to what I said before, it's great

676
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: to have these high profile transfers. It's a lot to

677
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: assume that they will all mesh right away.

678
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: So I agree.

679
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: If you told me that USC went to Oregon State

680
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: and got into a shootout and lost, I could see that.

681
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: Sure, I could see that. But what I think, my

682
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: broader point is there's like one and a half to

683
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: two complete teams in this conference sure right now, like

684
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: Oregon State does not have the defense to run with USC.

685
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: They might have the corners too, but only the linebackers.

686
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: I think they're just everybody's going to be a mismatch

687
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: for Jordan Addison, Mario Williams and Travis Dye and Caleb

688
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Williams with the ball in his hands throwing it or

689
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: running it. So I don't think they would succeed in

690
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: the Big Ten this year. If they were a Big

691
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: Ten team this year, I don't think they would succeed

692
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: the SEC. But with this schedule, I think I'm a

693
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: little bit higher on SC is like nine to three,

694
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: ten and two rather than eight and four, nine and three. Like,

695
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm just a tier of a level above,

696
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: just because it's going to be pretty difficult for them

697
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: to lose these games.

698
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: Now.

699
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: Look, I don't love their defensive line. I don't like

700
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: their linebackers. I don't like their secondary. I think there's

701
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done. I think, you know,

702
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: having the recruiting class a couple of years ago where

703
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: they just bombed out, like they're still feeling that even

704
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: with the portal stuff, like they were not able to

705
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: develop guys on defense at all to any sort of

706
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: impressive degree and five stars, four stars, blue chip guys,

707
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: and so the depth just isn't there, and the success

708
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: that they had in the portal was not upfront on defense,

709
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: which is sorely needed if you are a quote unquote

710
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: playoff contender. So I think USC is going to be

711
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: really good. I just think they're going to be especially flawed.

712
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: But that said, they can beat Utah, they can beat

713
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: Notre Dame like this is this should be a really

714
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: impressive offense. I just I think you're selling the LA

715
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: TV market a little bit short.

716
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I am, Maybe I am, But you know what,

717
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: I don't care. Okay, I'm out on USC as a

718
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: ten win team this year. Will they get there soon?

719
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

720
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they're going to get there soon. Lincoln

721
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: Riley's a good coach. Ask the people at Oklahoma. They

722
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: loved them, They would love to have them back.

723
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, but no, I.

724
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: Think they're in a really good place. I think by

725
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: virtue of him hitting the portal as hard as he

726
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: did via free agency, we'll just call what it is,

727
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: he definitely reduced the time that it will take to

728
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 2: rebuild that program. He has jump started it by kicking

729
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: up so much dust. He's done a really good job

730
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: in a short period of time. I don't want to

731
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: undersell that. I just think it's a lot to ask

732
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: that they're going to suddenly become a ten win team,

733
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: even with the name brand skill talent that he brought in.

734
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: I don't trust the line as much as you do,

735
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: and I still have questions about the defense. So okay,

736
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: I'm out, But I don't know what their current line

737
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: looks like. I was just saying last year's line wasn't

738
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: as terrible as you know some of the lines that

739
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: came before. Yeah, my final point with the LA the

740
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: valuable LA TV market if they go seven and five,

741
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: if things go poorly, if things go really really poorly,

742
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: and the transfers and the culture like it's you know,

743
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: it's tough to build. As you've alluded to, it's tough

744
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: to build a culture from scratch with pulling guys in

745
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: from everywhere and the way things ended last year and

746
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: the amount of apathy it seemed that there was in

747
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: that locker room the what went wrong with USC going

748
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: seven and five column from Let's call It Antonio Morales.

749
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: Well, WHOA, It's gonna be great. I know. I just

750
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: clipped my audio just clipped and it was worth it.

751
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: That's a full year of Bill Plashki articles right there.

752
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't see it happening, though. I think USC

753
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: is going to be I think they're gonna be good

754
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: to very good, with clear flaws that are keeping them

755
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: from one of the top two tiers of the sport DAN.

756
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,600
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Speaker 2: the other? The true top gun in the PAC twelve South.

783
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: Let's the top gun comparison to me fit? And then

784
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 2: I went back and I started listening to quotes from

785
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: the actual movie, the original nineteen eighty six movie, and

786
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: I found this one when they were talking about Iceman.

787
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: Listen to this, so he flies ice cold, no mistakes.

788
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: Just where's your dan? To get bored frustrated, to do

789
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: something stupid? He's got you? Is that not Utah? Is

790
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: that not Utah? Ruthless efficiency? Yeah? Yeah, it for sure

791
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: is Utah? Is Iceman?

792
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: Utah is the actual top gun in the PAC twelve South?

793
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Ten and four last season nine to one in conference.

794
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: It was a good year with odd quirks because they

795
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: started one and two. They lost to both BYU and

796
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: San Diego State. And that's when Kyle Whittingham pulled the

797
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: plug on Chas Brewer.

798
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: You'll remember him. Chas Brewer now still active, still active

799
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: college football cornerback.

800
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, transferred in from Baylor. Tried it for a couple

801
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: of games that that didn't work, So at that point

802
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: they turned it over to Cam Rising, who had transferred

803
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: in from Texas. It was like night and day. The

804
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: only conference loss from that point forward was in the

805
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: middle of the season at Oregon State. They ripped off

806
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: their final six games, they won the conference. They got

807
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: a pass to the Rose Bowl. It might have been

808
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: the game of bowl season against Ohio State. They lost

809
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: forty eight to forty five, that shootout game where Jackson

810
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba and c. J. Stroud went off. But

811
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: that was a fun game by any stretch.

812
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a running back in that corner, Michael Bernard.

813
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. What makes this team truly unique in the

814
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: Pac twelve is their physicality. And you know Oregon, you

815
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: know this right, Oregon was trying to be more physical

816
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: under Maria Crystal Ball, and they did a good job

817
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: of getting there, but ultimately Oregon loss seventy six to

818
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: seventeen combined in the two meetings with Utah last season.

819
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: The youth familiar.

820
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Uthes were and still are on a different

821
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: level when it comes to toughness and physicality, and you're

822
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: gonna see it again this year. You'll see it again

823
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: this year. They will be will be underscore, will be

824
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 2: a handful for Pac twelve teams to deal with because

825
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: they're so damn physical.

826
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: That's why I'm picking.

827
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: Them, And we can get into the nitty gritty here,

828
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: but that's why I'm picking them to win this division,

829
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: this conference if they beat Florida. As an addendum here,

830
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: if they beat Florida in Week one, there will be

831
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: playoff hype on.

832
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: Top of it.

833
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: Now I'm not sure how Utah deals with that, but

834
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: if they go to Florida in Week one and they

835
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: win that game, which is a real possibility, then we're

836
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: talking to our kids about Utah football. I'm real high

837
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: on this team.

838
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: So the reasons to really believe in Utah far outweigh

839
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: concerns because there's a case be made that with a

840
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: transfer quarterback, with the amount of youth they had on

841
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: last year's defense, that it wasn't rebuilding, but it was

842
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: a sort of regrouping year for Utah, And yet they

843
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: took advantage of a down conference and a flawed Oregon

844
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: team who's coach, in my view, committed to Miami probably

845
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: early summer last year. That's unfair, but nonetheless, I'm allowed

846
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: to be better. I worry about the same thing I

847
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: worry about with Utah most seasons, and I mentioned it

848
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: with UCLA, and it wasn't a true concern because I

849
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: don't think Utah has come into a season with this

850
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: level of expectation as they have now. Have they been

851
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: a preseason favorite pick before? Maybe I just don't.

852
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: Recall, not to this extent though, not to know, not

853
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: to the extent where we're talking about them as a

854
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: potential playoff team before the season starts.

855
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: No, it seems their weakness is USC's strength, and I

856
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: don't know who that's good for. That USC has winter

857
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: wonders out wide and Utah is going into the season saying, man,

858
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: we might have the best tight end duo in the conference,

859
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: which they might. They definitely or they do. I don't

860
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: know that the ways in which they can win And

861
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: you mentioned this on a previous episode, when you try

862
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: to play that kind of physical ball. And Andy Ludwig

863
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: has been an overall pretty successful offensive coordinator for Utah

864
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: against all of my protests in others saying otherwise, it's

865
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: when they need to score, when they need to take

866
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: advantage of a secondary, when they need to keep two

867
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: safeties back, who is that receiver to do? So? Yeah,

868
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: you may have an answer, Well, Utah may have an answer.

869
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: That's just my question.

870
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: So tell me if this sounds familiar, because I thought

871
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 2: of the same thing and I was trying to find

872
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: some comps. Does this sound familiar? Quarterback who completed sixty

873
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 2: four percent of his passes, was responsible with the football

874
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: rush for about eight yards per carry, So he's mobile,

875
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: really good line power running game in an offense that's

876
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: going to lean on its tight ends as the primaries

877
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 2: in the passing game.

878
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're talking the best of Wisconsin.

879
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know you're talking Georgia or well, yeah,

880
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: maybe I'm being overly simplistic, but it's worked before. Utah

881
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: is like Georgia, very very diet Georgia.

882
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like, well, there's no George Pickens, there's

883
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: no Jermaine Burton, there's no Lad McConkie. That's the problem is.

884
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: But technically speaking, Georgia had those guys who could sometimes

885
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: make those.

886
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: But you see the point of comparison, right, it's totally

887
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: it's it's a physical offense that's going to beat your

888
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: brains in on the ground. They're going to isolate Brandt Keithy,

889
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: the tight end that you referenced in the past game.

890
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: They're going to line them up out wide in the

891
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: slot wherever. It does hurt to lose Brittain Covey. Oh

892
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: my god, he finally finished.

893
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's finally done.

894
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it does hurt to lose him. He

895
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily that that guy that you're describing, who is

896
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 2: a gravitational player, the problem problem, what have you.

897
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: But he was the utility guy.

898
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: He did a little bit of everything in this offense.

899
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's an obvious solution or a

900
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: place a guy like that. They're options and pretty much

901
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: the entire wide receiving corps back other than Britain Covey.

902
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: But I take your.

903
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: Point, and I think it's fair, but I just I

904
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: don't know if that is key to Utah's success this season.

905
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: I think they're fine playing the physical brand of football

906
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: until they can figure out what.

907
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: To do out wide.

908
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: I think Cam Rising gives them something that they haven't

909
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: had in a while, and that is a quarterback who

910
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: can do a lot more, who raises the raises the floor,

911
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: raises the ceiling, you know, kind of in one fell swoop.

912
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe they'll find ways to develop those

913
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: targets around him. I should mention that Tavian Thomas was

914
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: a revelation last season and oh ye back and without

915
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: his physicality and offense like this doesn't work as well.

916
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: He had eleven hundred yards twenty one touchdowns on the ground.

917
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: I think he is poised for a big year. They

918
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: got to keep him healthy, but he was a workhorse

919
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: and behind this line, you know, behind this line, I

920
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: expect big things from him again. So that's kind of

921
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: what we should look for from Utah on the offensive

922
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: side of the ball. The defensively, if you were gonna

923
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: lob a concern at Utah defensively is kind of where

924
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: I would go with it, because they lose some big names,

925
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd, first round pick, Mike Tafua, Nephie Sewel, Vonte Davis,

926
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: Brandon McKinney. They're all gone off this defense. The Utes

927
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: are eighty eight in returning production for whatever that's worth

928
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. So the question

929
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: switches to Kyle Whittingham Morgan Scalley on defense. Can they

930
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: replace that much turnover? History would suggest yes, I'm under

931
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 2: the assumption that they will.

932
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: But but but.

933
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: That's a lot to lose, right If I'm going to

934
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: make if I'm going to make that concern public about

935
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: other programs that lose a lot on defense, you know,

936
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: you have to mention it about Utah as well.

937
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: And I think it's an open question.

938
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: Utah is going to have to go up against that

939
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 2: wide receiver duo yep from USC. The secondary features Clark

940
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: Phillips Cole Bishop, two guys who are all conference caliber.

941
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Clark Phillips is probably the best

942
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: corner in the conference.

943
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: They'll probably be okay, Yeah, they are only two guys,

944
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: and of course you need support from the other nine

945
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: guys around you. I think up front they'll be solid

946
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: linebackers really the only true concern I have because you

947
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: lose Devin Lloyd and you gotta plug another guys around.

948
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: But but I just I don't have the concern with

949
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: the defense given the track record here. So I eagerly

950
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: await that matchup with US. These wide receivers and these

951
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: corners out wide, who I think are legit, But with

952
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: all the losses elsewhere on defense, it's a fair concern.

953
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: The schedule for Utah is exactly what they need in

954
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: order to be an actual playoff team to get into

955
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: the playoff because they've got the big non con game

956
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: on the road at Florida week one. You win that game,

957
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: suddenly everyone's talking. They're at Oregon in week twelve, which

958
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 2: is not a picnic. They've got USC at home, which

959
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: is nice for them. There's no run of games here

960
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: that really scares me.

961
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: Good buffers. They're October is tricky. I would say it's tricky.

962
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: Just yeah, no, it's tricky. But I don't know.

963
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: I just think this team, with the brand of football

964
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 2: that they play, is in a good spot. The over

965
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: under is eight and a half, which I'd take in

966
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: a heartbeat. I would take that in a heartbeat. You'll

967
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: hear that again maybe next episode when we do over unders.

968
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: But I think it's ten and two or eleven to

969
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: one for these guys. I don't see them going worse

970
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: than nine to three. I'm all in on Utah this year.

971
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: How many losable games are on this schedule, because remember

972
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: they're on a current losing streak to Oregon.

973
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: State, so that game is losable. Yeah, I think Florida

974
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: is losable. Yeah, USC is losable, Oregon's losible. Outside of that,

975
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if there are any others on there

976
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: could lose a dumb one. Everyone's got that in them

977
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: like they did last year, except Georgia or Alabama. Yeah,

978
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: M Alabama kind of lost a dumb one last year.

979
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: That was not that A and M wasn't good, but

980
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: the manner in which they lost was kind of just

981
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: ridiculous in terms of the ups and downs. Yeah, I

982
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: think Utah is a ten and two team. I think

983
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tricky. I think they're I think they're

984
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: the best team in the Pac twelve.

985
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: I think they are. The depth is a question for

986
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: me when I know they were thin and beat up

987
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: at corner last year when they had to put in

988
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: their third string running back in at corner. Those types

989
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: of moves worry me. Not for most teams, but if

990
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: you're starting to talk about Capital B playoff contender, but

991
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: they haven't built depth everywhere yet, that's where you lose me. Granted,

992
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: Pac twelve and probably doesn't take much if they're lucky

993
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: injury wise, but not many teams are, so that's the

994
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: worry for me. I have them at about ten and two,

995
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: so I have them at the over as well. That number, though,

996
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: is a little bit concerning. Is it almost feels like

997
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: steer into it and go under the go eight and four.

998
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: I just don't see it on the schedule. I don't

999
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: see it on the schedule here. I think there's enough back,

1000
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 2: certainly on offense. While they'll be solid, they'll be able

1001
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: to play that physical brand of football. I don't know

1002
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: how many teams in the schedule are gonna be able

1003
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: to contend with that. We forgot to mention, and I'll

1004
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 2: mention it in a little while. They are playing one

1005
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: of the like twelve or fourteen best defenses in the

1006
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: country and we didn't even mention it. The San Diego

1007
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: State who beat them last year.

1008
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: Now I beat them. That was a Chas Brewer game.

1009
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: I understand that, But like, is this a team who

1010
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: can muck things up enough to beat a more talented team?

1011
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: I say, probably not, but I'm not at one hundred

1012
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: percent because the offense is going to be run by

1013
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: wait for it, tye A. Braxton Burmeister. So that's the

1014
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: issue for me. But also they just play defense better

1015
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: than everybody on this schedule. I don't know, it's it'll be,

1016
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting continue.

1017
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: I just look at the schedule and you know, I mean,

1018
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: you could speak better to Oregon and what they've got

1019
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: coming back up front. But I feel pretty confident that

1020
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: they're gonna be able to push USC that they're going

1021
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: to be able to push UCLA, Oregon State, Arizona State,

1022
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: Washington State, Arizona, all of these teams are Colorado. They're

1023
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: going to beat their brains in with the style of

1024
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 2: offense that they run. They're gonna beat their brains in. Dan,

1025
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: you love that phrase this episode. It makes me feel masculine.

1026
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: I could very masculine.

1027
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: Child. If Oregon is good to really good, Austin will

1028
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: be electric. But I assume will be a nighttime game

1029
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: for Utah, and they won't lose in the manner that

1030
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: they lost to Mario christab or that they lost with

1031
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: Mario Cristiball if and or when they lose, it will

1032
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: because Utah is really good and cam Rising beats them,

1033
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: and the running backs are really good and fast, and

1034
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: the defense is fat and Clark Phillips comes up. They

1035
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: will win, but they will not be humiliated and demoralized

1036
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: early in the same way. Yeah, that's all. I can't

1037
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: wait for that game. If Oregon is indeed as good

1038
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: as I think they'll probably be, that'd be great.

1039
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 2: Two final teams in the PAC twelve South Colorado four

1040
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: and eight. Last year we had Dan carlon On from

1041
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: hardcore history noted Colorado alum and Colorado fan, that fatalistic

1042
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: college football vibe that you picked up from mister Carlin

1043
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: that was partially forged in the flames of Colorado season

1044
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, I'll be very direct because we're all friends.

1045
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: I believe people want to hear the truth. Here is

1046
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: what Colorado's dealing with. Best running back Jerrick Broussard, top

1047
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: two wide receivers all transferred out. They hired Mike Sandford. Yeah,

1048
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 2: to fix the offense. Nate Landman, who was a mainstay

1049
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: on defense, is gone. Carson Well's gone at linebacker, Christian Gonzalez,

1050
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: Mackai Blackman gone from the secondary cornerback. The Baby buff says,

1051
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm going to refer to them all year. Have the

1052
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: least returning production of any Pac twelve defense. They're over

1053
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: under his three and a half in their schedule looks awful. Yeah,

1054
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: there is a legit chance of zero to twelve. Man,

1055
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: I am not rooting for it.

1056
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at the schedule and tell me otherwise.

1057
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: There is a legit chance they go oh to twelve

1058
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: this year.

1059
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull it up.

1060
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna root for Brendan Lewis and JT. Shroud whoever's

1061
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: playing quarterback.

1062
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're thinnet quarterback.

1063
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: R J.

1064
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: Sneed comes over from Baylor. He's a fun guy. He's

1065
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: a fine talent. Yeah. They got an offensive lineman, is

1066
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: it Tommy Brown from Alabama? They got an Obama former

1067
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: four star, five star offensive lineman.

1068
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: Look at that schedule and tell me there isn't a

1069
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: chance of zero to twelve. Their most winnable games will

1070
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: be New Look TCU maybe Week one, Arizona on the

1071
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 2: road cal Arizona State. If they're a disaster, we'll see

1072
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: with Washington, but that game's in Seattle. They finish hosting Utah.

1073
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're gonna win. I don't know. I

1074
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: think they'll go too and ten. Yeah, it's it's the

1075
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: the guys leaving that left, specifically good defensive players. Makai Blackman,

1076
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: I believe he's what a dB going to sc and

1077
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: Christianzales to Oregon, Brendan Rice also to USC. It's just

1078
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: that they're so thin that they lost their quarterback. They're

1079
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: in a quarterback. I actually kind of I've heard I

1080
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not an expert on this, but I've

1081
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: heard that Carl Drell is quietly doing an interesting job

1082
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: in the portal, not in the portal on the recruiting trail.

1083
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: That doesn't really help right now against this schedule. So

1084
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: they're non conferdence is what air Force TCU and who

1085
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: did I see? Minnesota? Yeah? Minnesota? Air Force in Minnesota

1086
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: on the road at altitude Air Force Colorado Springs. Yeah. Man, oh,

1087
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: so I guess what is their actual vegas over.

1088
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: Under vegas overs over unders three and a half. I

1089
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole.

1090
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: Well, no, it sounds like you would No, no, you

1091
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't even confidently go under. Oh under. Yeah, I'm saying

1092
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go over with the ten foot Oh no,

1093
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: r no, but like that that number, would you confidently

1094
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: go under? Oh my god? Yeah, so that's touching it

1095
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: with your ten foot pole. Congratulations.

1096
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: I wouldn't touch the over with a ten foot pole.

1097
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: Oh of course. But you can bet unders as well.

1098
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: I don't like betting unders. Sort of a buzzkill too.

1099
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: I want to root against teams, you know.

1100
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. That sort of defines your Notre dame

1101
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: fandom in a certain way. In a certain way, it does. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1102
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: So are there bright spots? Are there? Like, oh, they

1103
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 1: can win four games if X, Y and Z happened

1104
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: right of J. T.

1105
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: Shroud or like, are there are the guys who couldn't pop? No, okay,

1106
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: they're not winning, for I tried, they're not winning four games. R. J.

1107
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: Steed's a fun a fun a fine player, a fun

1108
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: play And maybe Brendan Lewis or JT. Shroud can get

1109
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: him the ball and he can he can move around

1110
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: in space. It's tough no, they're not winning four games.

1111
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk cardiat Cats. Come on, let's just talk.

1112
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: Let's talk cardiat Cats. Sorry, Colorado people, you're very nice people.

1113
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's just how I shout out pearl straight

1114
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: shout out. What did I eat? Snarfs? SNAr sandwich? Come on,

1115
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: totally good? Who doesn't like snars? Okay? Arizona one and eleven?

1116
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: Last year, bear down, bear down. Bear was literally down

1117
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: last year one and eleven. It was the first year

1118
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: for Jed Fish. I distinctly remember not liking the hire

1119
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: at all because what was the scuttle butt going into

1120
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: the season, Well, did they really want him? Did the

1121
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: president just want to hire them? It seemed like there

1122
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: was a riff there of swords and jed Fish was

1123
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: maybe not a super popular hire within I feel like

1124
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: we're in a much different place with Jedfish this season.

1125
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: There's optimism.

1126
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: There is optimism abound in Tucson.

1127
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: The theme, the theme that I.

1128
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: Have gone with on a couple occasions when we do

1129
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: these previews is the quote unquote logical plan thing. You know.

1130
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: I talked about it with Mel Tucker and Greg Chiano

1131
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: and Eli Drinkwitz. Guys where It's just you look at

1132
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: what they're doing and you're not necessarily expecting a national

1133
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: championship or conference championship caliber season. But you see what

1134
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: they're doing, what they're building, who they're adding, who they're

1135
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: bringing in, and it just makes sense. That's how I

1136
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: feel about Jetfish. It feels like Jedfish is doing things

1137
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: that that that that are logical. He's being very targeted

1138
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: in the portal. Last year's quarterback situation objectively a disaster.

1139
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, not great. What's he do?

1140
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: He goes out and gets Jayden DeLaura from Wazoo. That's

1141
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: a pretty good move. Who's he throwing to?

1142
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: Oh? This hurts man? Continue?

1143
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: How about Jacob Cowing from Utah?

1144
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: Uh? They brought in arguably if he's not the best

1145
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: receiver maybe that was Evan Stewart whatever in the recruiting class,

1146
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: but one of the best seven receivers, four receivers who

1147
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: was committed to Oregon and then when Mario christ Ball left,

1148
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: he decommitted. T mac Tarot Toah McMillan. I don't know

1149
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: how to pronounce it.

1150
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 2: I'll get there to Tyrone Milan Dan to Tyro to Tyro.

1151
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: I am positive this dude is going to be otherworldly

1152
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: and it is infuriating. Come transfer to Eugene at some point,

1153
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: that's tampering ty I I he was my favorite part.

1154
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't really look at Oregon recruiting until later on

1155
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: in the process, until the fall, and then I kept

1156
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: seeing updates and I was texting Brandon Hoffman. He was like,

1157
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: got something else, like where he's like touchdown cast he

1158
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: had three touchdown catches and like two pick six's in

1159
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: the same game where he's just like this magnet for

1160
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: the ball. And then like early reports out of spring

1161
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: ball where like the first day of practice he caught

1162
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: three one handed deep balls, like okay, this is this.

1163
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: Hurts he goes by t Mac. He goes But in

1164
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: addition to Jacob Cowing who comes over from UTIP. They

1165
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: got t Mac the four star receiver out of California.

1166
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: I believe California, right, yeah, yeah, it's all like California

1167
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: really big getting the recruiting game. You consider that the

1168
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: running back room is back led by Michael Wiley. This

1169
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: is a sneaky decent offense, sneaky decent. They have to

1170
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: assemble the pieces, they have to do it quickly, but

1171
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: it is certainly better than it was a year ago,

1172
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: and it's been very targeted. Jed Fish, I think did

1173
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: a good job the line, you know, I mean, the

1174
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: line's a horse of a different color. Dan.

1175
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's still like a three win team,

1176
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be one of the more fun they're

1177
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: gonna be this year's Nebraska.

1178
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 2: They gave up a ton of sacks. They were bad

1179
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: in the red zone, but that's the main question. On offense,

1180
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: I think he did a good job assembling those pieces. Defensively,

1181
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: Don Brown left. He's now in charge up at UMass

1182
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: so it's a new defensive coordinator, Johnny Nansen from UCLA.

1183
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: Ya gonna switch up the scheme a little bit. But

1184
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: the big deal with him is he's gonna help a

1185
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: lot in the recruiting game. He's a really good West

1186
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: Coast recruiter. He's got a strong record as it relates

1187
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: to bringing new talent into a program.

1188
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what he can do. On defense.

1189
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: They were really bad at takeaways last season, so that's

1190
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: probably a priority going into twenty twenty two. There's enough

1191
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 2: back to at least make it feel like this could

1192
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: work or that it should be better. I think Arizona

1193
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: will be better. It's not an easy schedule for a

1194
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: team of Arizona's caliber, but there aren't many easy schedules

1195
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: when you go one and eleven, so if you're in

1196
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 2: rebuild mode, pretty much everything is difficult. I like this team,

1197
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily to go on some sort of

1198
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: crazy run through the Pac twelve South. Not necessarily to

1199
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: go out there and win seven games. But if you

1200
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: told me that Arizona was flirting with five wins, I

1201
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: would say I totally see it. I think there will

1202
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: be enough steam on this team that Jedfish is going

1203
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: to have them motivated enough to be plucky, and I

1204
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: expect they'll pull an upset. I don't know over whom,

1205
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: but I expect at some point along the way, you know,

1206
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: they'll they'll find a way to pull an upset. They've

1207
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: got USC after a bye, after their bye, Yeah, so

1208
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: that one's at home. They play ASU obviously, last game

1209
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: of the year. They got Mississippi State in Tucson, North

1210
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: Dakota State.

1211
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna say their September is it's.

1212
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 2: Tough, right, It's That's what I'm saying. It's it's tough

1213
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: for it's tough for a certain almost anybody, but certainly

1214
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: a one and eleven team. But I just feel like

1215
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: this team is is definitely in a much better spot

1216
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: than it was a year ago. And if you told

1217
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: me that they're pulling an upset and challenging for you know,

1218
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: five wins, I'd say, yeah, count me in.

1219
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So they might win two games, Okay, their schedule

1220
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: is brutal, like they could lose their first three games

1221
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: comfortab well San Diego State. They're not. Nobody's gonna lose

1222
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: San Diego State comfortably, just because I don't think they

1223
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: have the offense. But in terms of what their schedule provides,

1224
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: in terms of obvious competitive matchups, there's not much. Like

1225
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: you could be down on Cal. I think Cow will

1226
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: be fine, and that game's at Cal. You can be

1227
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: down on ASU. That's still a rivalry game. Still at

1228
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: the end of the season. We don't know, injuries, whatever,

1229
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, Stranger things have happened that a down rival

1230
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: wins the big game. I mean, freaking the last regular

1231
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: season game we saw was Navy beating Army, was it not?

1232
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that that's it's definitely winnable. Given

1233
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: where ASU could fall too, But there's not a lot

1234
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: obvious on the schedule from the trumper of your voice

1235
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: that you think I'm crazy, And that's fine, Dan, I

1236
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: just think five wins this year is too much. I

1237
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: think three wins is interesting.

1238
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: Flirting with okay, flirting with five. I could see them

1239
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: beating Cal Colorado and ASU.

1240
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I seem.

1241
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: Even though I kind of like ASU. Did they beat

1242
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: they beat Cal last year?

1243
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?

1244
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 2: I think a SU will be just all over the

1245
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: map this year. Wild CARDI and who they could beat,

1246
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: but also wild CARDI and who they could lose too.

1247
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: If you're finding a way to tackle on two other wins,

1248
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: maybe they could beat San Diego State Week one, sure,

1249
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they'll beat North Dakota State.

1250
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1251
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: I think I think five wins is possible. I'm not

1252
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: saying that that is my prediction.

1253
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the defense isn't there. The town level's improved,

1254
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: but over all, the defense isn't there. The offensive line's

1255
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: not there. And I think Jayden dolor is I think

1256
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: he's pretty decent, but is he decent behind this line?

1257
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. So I think they're

1258
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna play pretty hard. I think they're gonna

1259
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: play with intention on both sides of the ball. I

1260
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: just think it's a Jimmy's and Joe's kind of thing,

1261
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: uh for Arizona at the moment. But I think they're

1262
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: approaching things correctly. I would love for them to have

1263
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: secret spies on every single Big Ten campus and get

1264
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: in the ears. I want them to tamper. I want

1265
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: them to be Tampa you. I want them to be

1266
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I want them, excuse me, I

1267
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: want to be able to speak freely on this show. Ty.

1268
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: Of course, every single decent offensive lineman who's unable to

1269
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: crack the rotation early in the Big Ten should see

1270
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: what the swimming pools look like on or near the

1271
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: Tucson campus of the University of Arizona. Yeah. That's all

1272
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, if you're in Iowa City, if you're

1273
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: in State College, if you're in Minneapolis, just take a visit.

1274
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: Take a visit to the Sonoran Desert, where the humans

1275
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: are beautiful and the Mexican food is far superior to

1276
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: wherever you are. That's all I'm alluding to. Tampa Bay

1277
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: Buccaneers the University of Arizona. I am a legacy. I'm

1278
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: a Wildcat legacy, so I have some emotional skin in

1279
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: the game with Arizona's success. But I'm ready for it, man,

1280
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm ready for a new power in the Desert. Because

1281
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: when they're pretty good, if not really good, that stadium

1282
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: is super fun. The fans get super into it. I

1283
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: love it. So it's not this year. No, it's not

1284
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: this year.

1285
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: But if you're telling me the over unders two and

1286
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: a half, I'm going over, baby, I'm going over. I

1287
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: feel good about this team and the direction it's headed

1288
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Speaker 2: like it makes sense to me. So okay, call me crazy,

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01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 2: I don't care. Won't be the first time, but four

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01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: or five wins for me.

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Speaker 1: It's not too late. T Maac.

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Speaker 2: That's all I have for the PAC twelve South Dan, I.

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Speaker 1: Was pretty good by you, was it? Yeah? I think?

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Speaker 1: So where should we begin with the Mountain West West?

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: Who's winning the Mountain West West? Who's the best rez

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01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: No State San Joaquin Valley zone? Yeah? I mean I

1297
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: believe them to have the best offense in the conference,

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01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: depending on what air force is able to I guess yeah.

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01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: Jalen Cropper and Jake Hayner. I just think they're going

1300
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: to be very successful with Jeff Tedford returning. The schedule's

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01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: pretty good, like they're at Boise, but otherwise I think

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01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty decent. The offensive line is a question.

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01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: The defense returns a ton. San Diego State's at home

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01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: and they have Oregon State at home and they travel

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01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: to USC. But in terms of winning the Mountain West West,

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm a Fresno guy.

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 2: Okay, beyond Fresno. Yeah, in the West, is it good?

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: Is it San Diego State? And then nobody else good?

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01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: I guess because it's kind of thin, right, it's pretty thin.

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01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: Hawaii is starting over. I want to feel old new

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01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: head coaches Timmy Chang once again, and a little reminder,

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: Timmy Chang, new head coach at Hawaii. Good for Timmy,

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: good for the Warriors. But it's gonna take some work there.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who Nevada is presumed or at least

1315
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: competing for the starting quarterback job, and Nevada is our guy,

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01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: Shane Illingworth coming over from Oklahoma. Shaggy Shane is back.

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01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: Shaggy Shane Illingworth and Nevada they they need some work.

1318
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: They it's it's just a very new squad with as

1319
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: much as Jane Norvell completely bled them, came with the

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01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: school bus. Yeah. Ken Wilson though with experience there. He

1321
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: was Oregon's linebackers coach maybe a co defensive coordinator as well,

1322
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: and so he's well regarded within the conference. So he

1323
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: was at Washington State before Oregon, So a lot of

1324
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: connections to the West Coast, and I think there's a

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: lot of optimism with Ken Wilson. They're at Iowa at

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01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: air Force and the good news is San Diego State

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01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: and Fresno both in Reno. So I think they're gonna

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: be interesting when I think it's going to take a

1329
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: year or two. UNLV new home to Harrison Bailey from Tennessee. Wow,

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01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: they had a decent enough quarterback last year and they

1331
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: ran the ball pretty well last year. One of the

1332
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: worst pass defenses in America. That's an easy way to

1333
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 1: go four and eight. And their road schedule this year

1334
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: at cal at Utah State, at San Diego State, at

1335
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: Notre Dame UNLV on their quest to get to a

1336
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: bowl game, but they do a Fresno at home. Yeah,

1337
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 1: their offensive line is just so far away from being

1338
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: where it needs to be for this to be an

1339
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: interesting offense every week all week. Whatever defense needs a lot.

1340
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: San Diego State I mentioned earlier, Braxton bur my stir

1341
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: still eligible, comes in for San Diego State, and I

1342
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: believe he's their fourth quarterback in four years. But honestly,

1343
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: in terms of what I like to call the alley

1344
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: oop like, the defense is going to put the offense

1345
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: in a really good position pretty much every week because

1346
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: a lot return on this defense, it should again be

1347
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: probably one of the best dozen defenses in the sport.

1348
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,759
Speaker 1: So there's just a lot to build on new offensive

1349
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: line in front of Braxton Burmeister. Though not my favorite

1350
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: thing if I'm an as tech fan, But would you

1351
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: say snap Dragon stadiums? Snap Dragon? Yeah? Snapdragon? Is that

1352
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: some sort of tech thing? Yeah, Snapdragons? That a processor

1353
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: a chip chip? Yeah? Is it? Is it its own

1354
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: company or is it like a like an AMD an Intel?

1355
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: What is it? Do they are aligned with somebody else?

1356
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: It's it's a Qualcomm brand, Oh that makes sense. Qual

1357
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: COM's in Yeah, Qualcom stadium.

1358
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: That ship, Yeah, it's a suite of systems on ship.

1359
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: San Jose State Chavon Cordero transfer within conference coming in

1360
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: from Hawaii after the disaster that was the Todd Graham

1361
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: era on the islands or just I guess supposedly on

1362
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: one island. Supposedly. Yes, the offensive line in front of

1363
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,560
Speaker 1: him will not be great. They hit the portal for receivers,

1364
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: which I can appreciate. That's a nice thing to do

1365
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: for your quarterback, your new quarterback. Good amount of star

1366
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: power and a good amount of guys back on defense.

1367
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: So San Jose State, after their Nick starkle led, you know,

1368
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty renaissance, took a step back last year. I

1369
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be I think they should be a

1370
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: bowl game bowl team again this year at Auburn, at Fresno,

1371
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: at San Diego State, at Utah State. So they're gonna

1372
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: have to do it away from the friendly confines of

1373
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: San Jose State. Eat at Mexico Bakery. By the way,

1374
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: I mentioned Hawaii. Just a huge portal exodus, just a

1375
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,839
Speaker 1: lot of guys leaving, including I think before Todd Graham

1376
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: was relieved of his duties or stepped down, I think

1377
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: his son entered the portal. Never a good sign, Never

1378
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: a good sign. Hope it works out for everybody in

1379
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:07,480
Speaker 1: It was a decently explosive offense last year, but otherwise

1380
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: you can imagine how things went considering how much of

1381
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: a revolt there seemed to be within the locker room

1382
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: after the season. So it'll be a full overhaul on defense.

1383
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: It's going to take a little while, but from a

1384
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: narrative and story perspective, certainly cool that Tommy Chang is

1385
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: the guy. Hopefully, excuse me, Timmy Chang. I keep saying Tommy.

1386
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 1: I think I was saying Timmy Chang, not Tommy Chung.

1387
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: It's very difficult for me at times. Timmy Chang, of course,

1388
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: who we watched throw for a bajillion yards as quarterback

1389
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: and is a legend at Hawaii, Vandy, Western Kentucky and

1390
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: at Michigan to begin the season, San Diego State and

1391
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: Fresno both on the road, Nashville to Honolulu tie. That's

1392
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: a road game this year, okay for the Doors. And

1393
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: then finally they're not in the Mountain West. But BYU

1394
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: is a team that we definitely should be talking about

1395
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: because they're gonna win a bunch of games this year.

1396
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a really good offense this year, and

1397
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: Jaren Hall being back for I think his fifth year

1398
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: in Provo. You can quote me on that. I don't know.

1399
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm probably wrong, but I think it's about that the

1400
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: defense needs to get better. They were beat up last year.

1401
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: They did well enough stopping big plays. But the news

1402
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: is the star power on offense with Jaren Hall with

1403
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: I think it's the cal transfer Christopher Brooks at running

1404
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: back because Tyson now Jear is now in the NFL,

1405
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: He's now he's a Falcon. Does that sound right to you,

1406
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: ty Tyson aw Jear. It should be a good offensive

1407
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: line and there's a ton back on defense to get better,

1408
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: they just need to stay healthier. They were so beat

1409
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: up last year. So if that's the case, and their

1410
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: schedule includes a visit to Eugene, Oregon, they have Notre

1411
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: Dame in Vegas, followed by Arkansas in Provo, They're at

1412
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: Boise and at Stanford. However dangerous or not dangerous? You

1413
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: feel Stanford is so tricky but not. I don't think

1414
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: like they were the PAC twel champion last year. Not

1415
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: as crazy as it was last year.

1416
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: According to a Qualcom spokesperson, it was named Snapdragon because

1417
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: quote snap and dragons sounded fast and fierce.

1418
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a good name. You know how to

1419
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: spell snap and dragon. Yeah, you get the imagery of

1420
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: something quickly and fiercely and violently moving. And that's what

1421
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: I think you want from your Qualcom chips.

1422
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: Have you seen pictures of of the stadium?

1423
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: No? Does it look great? It looks awesome. Yeah, future

1424
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: PAC twelve team or Big twelve? Who knows. By the way,

1425
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: By the way, what are we about? An hour fifteen

1426
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: into this show. We just finished a PAC twelve preview.

1427
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: We did the North. This episode was the South, And

1428
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: I just want to say I love this conference. I

1429
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: don't care what the LA TV market says. I know,

1430
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm a Homer, I'm from the West Coast. I'm from

1431
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: southern California. I went to Oregon. I know. Oh, there's

1432
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: a lot of what I'm considering to be catastrophic defenses

1433
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: in this conference. I hear me, Okay, But I just

1434
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: think with the narrative of this offseason being what it

1435
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: has been with USC and UCLA in to leaving for

1436
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: the Big ten to be a friggin' Sunglass hut in

1437
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: the mall that will become college football. Yeah, that's right.

1438
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: The California Kiosk, how about that. I just there's so

1439
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: much great history to this conference, like recent history. I

1440
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: don't we're not going back to like the eighties or not.

1441
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: I forget all of that that. I just want to

1442
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 1: put some respect on the PAC twelve's name, Tye, and

1443
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: I want to say to we just name it, but

1444
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: to Nate Longshore, to Christian McCaffrey, to the Rogers brothers,

1445
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: to Keith Price, to Chris mcgahey, to Aaron Flugrad, to

1446
01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: uh Demetrius Williams, to Josh Neunez, to the guys that

1447
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: I exclusively text with Brandon Huffman about where we just

1448
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: text each other their names, to Danny Farmer to oh God,

1449
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: who's a good like UCLA running back from like right

1450
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: around two thousand picks Skip Picks is a great one. Tie.

1451
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: I just want to say I love this conference, and

1452
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: even if it only has two more years left or

1453
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: four more years left and people are going to pick

1454
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: at the waist whatever, I just want to say, Pack twelve,

1455
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: I love you, and I hope you succeed and I

1456
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: will always root for your success. And I'm glad we

1457
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: could we could have this little moment for everybody once again.

1458
01:15:52,439 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 1: Tie Pack twelve. I will always love you. It's getting

1459
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: a little dusty in here, Dan Sefo loof ou come on,

1460
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: Ty join me. Who else? Who do you have? What

1461
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: did I? Sammy Parker? How about Justin Finnissy? How about

1462
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: Mike has Brock Osweiler. I will name every gritty receiver,

1463
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: Mike Bercovici. How about JJ Arrington? Oh wow, good one.

1464
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: How about oh what's his name? Willie Tuaitama? Manny Wilkins.

1465
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: I can I can do I can do this all

1466
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: day just naming Pac twelve players. I'm actually getting a

1467
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: little bit choked up. Tidy Hawkins. I really a Stevie Montes,

1468
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: Scottie McKnight. Oh that's a good one. I like that one.

1469
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Darren Thomas, we have come off the

1470
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: Jeremiah solely, we have come off the rails here.

1471
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: Joe Aube, Joe, Rudy Carpenter all right, Oh my god.

1472
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: We didn't even get into any of the giant ASU quarterbacks.

1473
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: Sam Keller I mentioned he's at Bercovici in Broncas. Okay,

1474
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: that's fair, okay. Rudy Hegan Herring, Oh great one, Ty,

1475
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: well done, well struck. All right?

1476
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 2: That does it for our conference previews as we go

1477
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty two, a bit losing our gourd, but that's.

1478
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: Okay, that's okay. By the way, people will have listened

1479
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: to that show for about an hour twenty and possibly

1480
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: the thing that got them most worked up was like,

1481
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:54,759
Speaker 1: why didn't they say Kate mcnown's name, And that's fair,

1482
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: that's okay. We're all in this together, Rudy.

1483
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 2: Burgess, Oh my gosh, okay. Look, thank you to one

1484
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: and all for hanging with us. As we went through

1485
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: ten episodes of conference previews, go back and listen to

1486
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 2: them all. If you haven't yet, hit subscribe if you

1487
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: like this show, if you want more of this show.

1488
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,519
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1489
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: into the heart of the season. We are doing our

1490
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: very first live show of the year on August of

1491
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Speaker 2: going to be a lot of fun. We're very excited

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Speaker 2: about it. We're also doing three other shows in New York, Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: and LA throughout the course of the next six months

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Speaker 2: or so. We would encourage you to go on out

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Speaker 2: again to soliverablelive dot com if you are ever so

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01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 2: inclined to buy tickets to come see us live and

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Speaker 2: hang out with other Verballers. If you can't make it

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Speaker 2: in person, you can go to Verballers dot com. That's

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01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 2: a great place to hang out with other folks who

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01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 2: like the show, listen to the show, who enjoyed as

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01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: much as you do. That is our patreon forballers dot com.

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: We have a couple different access tiers which are available

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01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: to you. All of them give you access to these

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01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 2: episodes early, which is a cool feature that I think

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01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: we're able to offer. You can also get access to

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01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: our discord server and some of the other perks as

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01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: we get into the season with games and whatnot. Forballers

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01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: dot com is where you can go to find more

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Speaker 2: about that. Our website, solidverbal dot com newly relaunched solid

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01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,879
Speaker 2: Verble dot com did a little bit of a renovation

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Speaker 2: to get things up the speed in time for the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two college football season. And last but not least,

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Speaker 2: if you want to help us with social media, the

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01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 2: email address is apply at soliverble dot com. We need

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01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: to see your portfolio, Sue what you've done before, Because

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01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 2: we need help, Dan, We need help somebody who's cut video,

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01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 2: somebody who knows social platforms, somebody who wants to help

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Speaker 2: us out in beaming our content out to the social universe.

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Speaker 1: And it's an email address apply at sign solidverbal dot com.

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Speaker 1: There's not a form on solidverbal dot com to be clear.

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Speaker 1: A couple more things TI Real Quick, Hercules, Mataafa Vontees,

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Speaker 1: perfect time Montgomery. Can this be the new show? Can

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: this just be the show? I think we should dip

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Speaker 1: into the discord occasionally and just randomly dip into the

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Speaker 1: audio channel and say, all right, for the next eighteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: we're all gonna take turns just saying names of dudes

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Speaker 1: from whatever conference. Yeah, and we'll just dip in and

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Speaker 1: we'll just start talking dudes' names. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think what will happen is people will dip in,

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Speaker 1: they will start hearing names, and they'll sit back in

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Speaker 1: their chair and say, yeah, of course, of course, and

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Speaker 1: it makes us happy. That's all Ed Dixon. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: a good one. Played two ways played, two ways, tight endend,

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Speaker 1: defensive end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself, Ty hilden Brand, thank you so much for downloading,

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Speaker 2: for listening, for hanging with us through this long preview season.

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Speaker 2: We are excited to get things underway. We'll be back

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01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,759
Speaker 2: next week. Talk some over unders, talk some actual college

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Speaker 2: football in the meantime for that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself, Tie.

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Speaker 1: Hilding the Brand, thank you so much for downloading, for listening.

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Speaker 1: Catch you all next week. Stay solid, Peace,