WEBVTT - Biden Enters Make-or-Break Weekend

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<v Speaker 1>Joining us right now. It's pretty good when your first

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<v Speaker 1>book out with Bob Woodward Peril launches at number one

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<v Speaker 1>in the New York Times Bestseller Robert Costa, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>legendary at the Washington Post, has wandered over to any

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<v Speaker 1>number of jobs, and of course joins us now this

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<v Speaker 1>morning with CBS and Face the Nation. Robert Costa, within

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<v Speaker 1>the frenzy in your world right now, you are a

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<v Speaker 1>calm voice. Who are you listening to into the weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>Which kind of source are you listening to?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm listening to people who really know President Biden, not

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<v Speaker 2>just top Democrats, not just House Democrats and Senate Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>who are on the outer perimeter of Biden's circle. People

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<v Speaker 2>who really know this guy who was elected to the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate in nineteen seventy two, who has been through public

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<v Speaker 2>humiliation and public loss for a long time, And they're

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<v Speaker 2>telling me behind the scenes that he wants to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in this race. He's telling people close to him and

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<v Speaker 2>family members he's adamant he should be the nominee and

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<v Speaker 2>he's best positioned to be Trump. But that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's quieting Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the only one I could say this to I

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<v Speaker 1>mean when he was in high school, prep school, Costa

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<v Speaker 1>was booking the beautiful people of Hollywood, Oh to play

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<v Speaker 1>as prep school. I mean, he's on a first thing basis.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sixteen with Maroon five. What is that about, Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Costa on the Democratic Party donor class? Who are these guys?

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<v Speaker 1>To take it from?

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<v Speaker 2>Butch Cassidy, Well, you have people like Jeffrey Katzenberg around

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<v Speaker 2>President Biden, Hollywood moguls. They just had the big Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>fundraiser for Biden a few weeks ago, and they're so

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<v Speaker 2>motivated not by putting Biden in the presidency again, but

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<v Speaker 2>by stopping Trump. And that dynamic has to be noted

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<v Speaker 2>as this all plows ahead in the days to come,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's really about stopping Trump for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these donors and Democrats not giving Biden a second term.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's so then past presidential cycles.

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<v Speaker 3>And so Robert, how do you guys set this up

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<v Speaker 3>for a Face Nation this Sunday morning on a CBS

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<v Speaker 3>television network.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm lucky enough to be guest anchor this weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to talk to Jim Clyburn, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's really important because he actually has political capital.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people claim to have political capital. He

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<v Speaker 2>actually has it. He made Biden the nominee in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>with his endorsement. Where is he going to stand harce

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<v Speaker 2>his words carefully and listen to what he has to say.

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<v Speaker 2>What's notable is that Clyiber's been talking publicly about maybe

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<v Speaker 2>backing Vice President Harris if Biden steps away. Does Cliburgs

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<v Speaker 2>start to really escalate that talk or not? Senator Bernie Sanders,

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<v Speaker 2>what's he going to do if Biden steps away? He's

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<v Speaker 2>always one of the presidency, he's eighty two. Does he run?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he back Harris? Where does the progressive the left

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<v Speaker 2>wing do they stick with the Biden pick or the

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<v Speaker 2>new the Harris pick or not? Right, we're in a

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<v Speaker 2>very fluid, in fragile moments.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, Robert Costa, I can see you doing a Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Rather imitation on the floor in Chicago like nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how close are we? Robert Costa within CBS

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<v Speaker 1>reporting to not the certitude of a migration from the

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<v Speaker 1>president to the vice president, but an actual cohesive debate

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<v Speaker 1>or sets of dialogue to get to a selection choice

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<v Speaker 1>for president and vice president in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>What's stunning to me is how this kind of corporate

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<v Speaker 2>culture has fallen over the Democratic Party that so few

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<v Speaker 2>people want to take any kind of risk publicly. And

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<v Speaker 2>politics used to be about risk. As you noted, you

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<v Speaker 2>had conventions that were rough and tumble. People wanted power,

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<v Speaker 2>you had to fight for it. Democrats are averse, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems to political war, and at this point it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like Harris would be the logical choice for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them to avoid it. They would think, maybe she loses,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe she wins, but they would look ahead to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight. But look, in presidential politics, I've only covered

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<v Speaker 2>it for fifteen years. You only have one shot most

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<v Speaker 2>of the time. And this is a rare, rare opening

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<v Speaker 2>for somebody maybe to step into the vacuum. So I

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<v Speaker 2>expect somebody to maybe give Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting rob This is great, Robert Costa, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>And for Margaret Brennan Face the Nation Sunday on radio

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<v Speaker 1>at two on Bloomberg. We now turned to someone constans,

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<v Speaker 1>a young buck, you know, fifteen years in flip the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Matthew's been doing this for fifty one years. It

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<v Speaker 1>joins us with balance of power as well. Joe. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you remember a given election in the cold and slush.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was a primary. I think it was William

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<v Speaker 1>Well Ted Kennedy in Boston. I can't remember, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was rough in tumble politics. People were swearing at Durgan

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<v Speaker 1>Park trying to get a dinner, and I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>was the way it used to be. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>idiots like me want the Romance of nineteen sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>or a rough and tumble tip on neopolitics of Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I delusional to look forward to that?

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<v Speaker 4>We all do every four years.

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<v Speaker 5>What a contested convention is like Christmas morning a political reporter,

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<v Speaker 5>and then it never happens. I will remind you they've

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<v Speaker 5>now auctioned off all of the restaurant equipment from Durgan Park.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't exist anymore, and I don't know if there's

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<v Speaker 5>a high Brent condo there or something now. But much

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<v Speaker 5>like the politics you describe, I'm not sure they're going

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<v Speaker 5>to recreate it. And there's a real worry that if

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<v Speaker 5>that's where we're going here, that this will be so

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<v Speaker 5>disruptive that it's exactly what Donald Trump is hoping for.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't know They've set up a week long

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<v Speaker 5>obstacle course for Joe Biden, and let's see if he

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<v Speaker 5>can clear it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's important to understand. I gave you good

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<v Speaker 1>just surveillance correction here, Joe Matthew never darkened the door

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<v Speaker 1>at Durgen Park. He was over at Lockover having the

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<v Speaker 1>oyster soup under a portrait that made you blush when

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<v Speaker 1>you were ten years old.

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<v Speaker 5>A Hi, Jill, you can't get cornbefitt Locko.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be true.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the what's the realistic time frame here for President

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<v Speaker 3>Biden to make a decision here? How do we think

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<v Speaker 3>about that?

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<v Speaker 5>It's a great question, they seem, Paul. They seem to

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<v Speaker 5>have carved out a week. It starts today with the

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<v Speaker 5>interview being deemed as the most important interview of his

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<v Speaker 5>political life.

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<v Speaker 4>And boy, that's gonna be interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really curious to see how much time he commits

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<v Speaker 5>to this. If it's fifteen minutes or if it's forty

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<v Speaker 5>five minutes, that's gonna tell us a lot. But he's

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<v Speaker 5>gonna be speaking in Wisconsin, albeit with a teleprompter. He's

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<v Speaker 5>got NATO next week, He's got a trip to Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 5>as well, but NATO, I want to just go ahead

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<v Speaker 5>pass the interview today. Think about the stakes of that

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<v Speaker 5>solo news conference he's going to hold to conclude NATO.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not a bilateral He's not gonna have Voladimir Zelenski

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<v Speaker 5>sitting next to him. It's not going to be two

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<v Speaker 5>and two for the reporters. This is the big one,

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<v Speaker 5>This is the big slog. He's never done this East

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<v Speaker 5>room primetime news conference thing, but his predecessors were pretty

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<v Speaker 5>good at and so is he going to be able

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<v Speaker 5>to take the skip gates question forty five minutes into

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<v Speaker 5>that exercise because they're going to be throwing curveballs at

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<v Speaker 5>him in real time. He's going to be tired after

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<v Speaker 5>all the meetings, and I'm thinking next week that news

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<v Speaker 5>conference is the most important thing on his schedule.

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<v Speaker 3>Are the Democrats to the extent that he does decide

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<v Speaker 3>to step back here, is there an accepted process from

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<v Speaker 3>where the party would go from there?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it we haven't gotten to that point yet.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we haven't gotten to that point.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do find it interesting that over the past

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<v Speaker 5>couple of days, the narrative has really turned us back

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<v Speaker 5>to Kamala Harris and away from this idea of wretching

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<v Speaker 5>Whitmer or Gavin Newsom or somebody popping in. Look, there's

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<v Speaker 5>a reason why she's there. There's a reason why he

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<v Speaker 5>picked her. And I don't think you're going to find

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of people who want to run against, frankly,

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<v Speaker 5>somebody who could make history as the first black female president.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're teeing up yourself for twenty eight, you're not

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<v Speaker 5>running against her.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the show quickly here, do you observe any polls?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, let's be clearer, folks, Matthews encyclopedic

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<v Speaker 1>on this. Are there a pole that support Vice President

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<v Speaker 1>Harris becoming president? Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Look, her favorability rating in our own Bloomberg Swing

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<v Speaker 5>State pole with Morning Consult was on the rise, and

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<v Speaker 5>in fact higher than Joe Biden's in the last turn.

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<v Speaker 5>But CNN ran numbers and found her in a statistical

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<v Speaker 5>tie with Donald Trump. We all say that Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 5>might be the only person who can beat him. This

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<v Speaker 5>challenge is that and she's stronger than Biden with women

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<v Speaker 5>and with independence. Imagine a ticket where she's got maybe

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<v Speaker 5>a Democratic governor like a Shapiro or a Roy Cooper,

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<v Speaker 5>with her, and she's got the mantle of abortion, the

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<v Speaker 5>moral clarity on that issue, and potentially could make history

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<v Speaker 5>as the first black female president. That's a story that

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<v Speaker 5>Democrats can get their heads around. Throwing all the pieces

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<v Speaker 5>up in the air and doing a mini primary like

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<v Speaker 5>they're talking about a series of five debates with people

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<v Speaker 5>who have no name recognition.

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<v Speaker 4>Sounds dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Matthew, thank you so much, Bounce, That's what this

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<v Speaker 1>is about, folks, Robert Costa, Joe Matthew, back to Beck.

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Haines joins us now to pick up the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>and piece together. I guess the second week of July

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington. I don't know if he's capable of doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Hayes with pangea, joins us, Terry right now after

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<v Speaker 1>the bizarreness of this weekend, the uniqueness in American history.

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<v Speaker 1>What is Terry Haynes unknown? Unknown?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, very very simply, it's Uh, it's it's whether Biden's

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<v Speaker 6>up to the job or not, and whether he can

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<v Speaker 6>prove it or not. I mean, we've been his citizens

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<v Speaker 6>have been misinformed about the president's condition.

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<v Speaker 1>To put it.

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<v Speaker 6>Kindly, Uh, and much of the news media not this network,

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<v Speaker 6>but much of the news media has has willfully ignored it.

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<v Speaker 6>Now they're over compensating. The question is whether he's up

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<v Speaker 6>to it or not. I mean, I wouldn't put a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of I wouldn't put a lot of money on

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<v Speaker 6>it in Vegas. But at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you've had situations where he's he's gone out in public

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<v Speaker 6>a few times and just shown fire and shown the

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<v Speaker 6>ability to talk. And he's got Stephanopolis coming up tonight

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<v Speaker 6>and it may be a huge moment for the campaign

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<v Speaker 6>and we'll have to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg, of course, will be synthesizing the questions edited and

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<v Speaker 1>edited at ABC. Terry, excuse me choking on a fifth

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<v Speaker 1>hot dog? I didn't do Nathan's budding. I got up

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<v Speaker 1>to five hot dogs. What can I say, Terry Haynes?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the probability, the likelihood the ability of the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party to squeeze into X number of weeks a

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<v Speaker 1>diverse campaign process of four, five, six, seven candidates to

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<v Speaker 1>get to a smoke filled convention. Oh, by what you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Replaced Biden? Is that where we're going? Yeah, well, replaced Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>But to go beyond just the idea of the vice

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<v Speaker 1>president will take over.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, you know, it depends on whether we're talking

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<v Speaker 6>about him leaving the presidency or leaving his candidacy or both.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, that's a little more finally judged than

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<v Speaker 6>I think the company wanted. But the answer is, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>they can absolutely get a situation where this virtual nomination

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<v Speaker 6>process they're going to try to pull in a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of weeks, you know, might get short circuited by a

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<v Speaker 6>number of the delegates themselves, who will who may well

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<v Speaker 6>insist on our rewriting of the rules. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 6>an awful lot of dissatisfaction out there, but there's not

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of ability by those who are most dissatisfied

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<v Speaker 6>with being able to do something about it. This is

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<v Speaker 6>still pretty tightly controlled, and I think certainly, I think

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<v Speaker 6>Biden's trying to brazen it out right now.

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<v Speaker 3>So Terry, obviously it's it's really up to President Biden

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<v Speaker 3>where this whole thing goes here. What's your sense of

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<v Speaker 3>timing when do you think that president really has to

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<v Speaker 3>make a decision of whether he is in it or not?

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<v Speaker 6>Probably between now, almost certainly, Paul, between now and the

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<v Speaker 6>convention in mid August. But uh, you know, but then

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<v Speaker 6>there's this trip wire where where the virtual convention happens

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<v Speaker 6>and sometime in mid July late July. So uh, you

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<v Speaker 6>know what they're what they're trying to do right now

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<v Speaker 6>is you know, we're going to wrap up the party

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<v Speaker 6>regulars make it all but impossible for the convention itself

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<v Speaker 6>to remove him, which makes it even more in his

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<v Speaker 6>judgment about whether he wants to continue or not.

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<v Speaker 3>And Terry X, I guess the question for a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of folks within the Democratic Party is if he were

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<v Speaker 3>to say I'm going to step aside for this next election,

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<v Speaker 3>is there any sense of what the process might be.

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<v Speaker 3>Would there be a series of debates among party leaders,

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<v Speaker 3>would it just be handed to vice president?

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<v Speaker 4>How how would it work out? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think that you know, there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 6>group that wants it handed to Harris. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>but Biden of course is using is using Harris. I

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<v Speaker 6>think is Uh as a backstop for his own ambitions

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<v Speaker 6>to stay Uh. I think what ends up happening is

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<v Speaker 6>you have a you have a change to the party

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<v Speaker 6>rules that releases delegates from their releases delegates from their

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<v Speaker 6>first ballot commitment to Biden and you actually have, as

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<v Speaker 6>we had before nineteen seventy two, actually have an open

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<v Speaker 6>convention where the delegates actually get to decide who they want.

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<v Speaker 6>And in that situation, you'd have nominations by different people,

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<v Speaker 6>you'd have speeches, you'd have unruliness galore, just like you

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<v Speaker 6>used to have.

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<v Speaker 1>Aware this is I mean, obviously you know the media

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<v Speaker 1>that's exciting. I mean, we're talking our book, which is

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<v Speaker 1>we want a crazy convention. But Terrians, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to take us right now to four thirty South Capitol Streets,

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<v Speaker 1>Southeast Washington, d C. To the headquarters of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>National Party. I guess Jamie Harrison, Chris Cork, Jason Ray,

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<v Speaker 1>and others. Does the president, routinely any Democratic president, do

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<v Speaker 1>they just control the DNC or does the DNC have

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<v Speaker 1>a vote to get to that convention we all want.

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<v Speaker 6>They control the DNC, particularly in the months and year

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<v Speaker 6>leading up to the election. That's been standard in both

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<v Speaker 6>parties for quite a while. And when you combine that

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<v Speaker 6>with the fact that the parties as party organizations have

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<v Speaker 6>been have been a trophying over the past several decades,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's it's interesting to talk about it today

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<v Speaker 6>because I'm sitting in London. You've just had conversations about

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<v Speaker 6>the UK elections. The party organizations are very strong in

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<v Speaker 6>the UK, whereas they're very weak in the United States,

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<v Speaker 6>and nowhere weaker or no when weaker than the year

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<v Speaker 6>of a presidential election. So Jamie Harrison's taking orders from

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<v Speaker 6>the White.

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<v Speaker 1>House to sum this up to Paul's good question, the

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<v Speaker 1>President of the United States really is going to decide

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<v Speaker 1>the process of his future and his party's future in

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<v Speaker 1>the coming days and weeks, maybe to get to a

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie Brook that gets us to Chicago. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, they've exercised huge control over this process from

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<v Speaker 6>day one, you know, basically making it a primary free process,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, exercising a grip on the on the party controls,

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<v Speaker 6>exercising a grip on the money. As people are now

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<v Speaker 6>starting to figure out, you know, the money gets the

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<v Speaker 6>Biden Harris money gets dispersed away unless it's anybody but

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<v Speaker 6>Biden or Harris at the top of the ticket. So

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<v Speaker 6>there's a lot of considerations mechanical for Democrats to go through,

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<v Speaker 6>much less the fundamental question of whether Biden ought to

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<v Speaker 6>be their nominee and whether we ought to remain as president.

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