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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of The Bobby Cast, all about

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Speaker 1: nineties country. So it's stories from episodes over the years,

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Speaker 1: and we have so many of them from all these

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Speaker 1: great nineties country artists sharing some of the best stories

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Speaker 1: from the best decade in country music if you ask me.

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Speaker 1: So that's the deal, and you're gonna hear Brooks and Dunn, Rieba,

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Speaker 1: Clint Black, Shanaiah Twain, Billy Ray, Cyrus, John Michael Montgomery,

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Speaker 1: Tracy Lawrence, Trisha Yearwood, and Jody Messina all talking with

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Speaker 1: me about their journey to start oh and actually what

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Speaker 1: Nashville and country music was like back in the nineties.

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Speaker 1: They talked about getting started, in friendships they made along

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Speaker 1: the way, and how their massive songs became such big hits.

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Speaker 1: Why do you like nineties countries so much? Probably just

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Speaker 1: because I was a kid then. I think it's us now,

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Speaker 1: who are you know? Thirties and early forties and that's

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Speaker 1: what we listened to. So now we've made up popular again.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it is all coming back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have the control now too to actually bring it back,

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Speaker 1: So that's what's pretty cool. Obviously has a big garth guy,

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Speaker 1: Big Brooks and Dune Guy. But a lot of these

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Speaker 1: stories are super cool, and so let's get into them.

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Speaker 1: Kicking off the nineties Country Special with my favorite duo,

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Speaker 1: Brooks and Dunn, Ronnie and Kick stopped by to talk

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Speaker 1: about how they came together as a duo, their friendship

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Speaker 1: with Riba, and how songs like Brand New Man and

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Speaker 1: Red Dirt Road were written. Okay, so you guys got

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Speaker 1: together like thirty one years ago. I looked it up

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Speaker 1: like exactly thirty one years ago. So you get put together, right,

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Speaker 1: Like it suggested that you guys should meet each other, right,

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Speaker 1: So who makes that suggestion? And what's the first impression

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Speaker 1: you guys have of each other when you meet? Take it?

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Speaker 2: KB?

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Speaker 3: Well, Jim Dubois called us both up.

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Speaker 2: He was starting the label Aristo at the time Nashville

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Speaker 2: with Clive Davis.

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Speaker 4: He'd already signed Alan Jackson, so he didn't want another

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Speaker 4: boys singer.

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Speaker 3: He was trying to get one of everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'd.

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Speaker 3: Signed Diamond Rio, he'd sign Pam Tillis was his girl,

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Speaker 3: total formula Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the Jugs were breaking up, so he was determined

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Speaker 4: to get a due. He needed a new due exactly,

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Speaker 4: and so you know, He just said. We literally met

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Speaker 4: at lunch over a bad enchilada, and he pretty more

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Speaker 4: or less offered us a record deal if you know,

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Speaker 4: if it worked out, if we could work together.

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Speaker 2: He didn't really say that. He said to go away

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Speaker 2: and write some songs, and we did.

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Speaker 4: Came that same week. We wrote brand New Man in

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Speaker 4: Next Broken Heart.

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Speaker 3: That was Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: We wrote those songs on Thursday and Friday, demoed them

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Speaker 4: and took him back and he jumped up and down,

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Speaker 4: and then he offered us a record deal.

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Speaker 1: But when okay, you're right brand new Man, do you go, oh,

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Speaker 1: we had this is something like we didn't even know

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Speaker 1: each other, you know, three days ago, but we wrote

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Speaker 1: brand New Man. This is something we didn't know.

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Speaker 3: You know, we never know.

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Speaker 2: You never know when you write him until they you know,

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Speaker 2: they're become hits.

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Speaker 3: I guess I thought it was pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really did, because you know, and Ronnie had

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Speaker 4: that idea, I'm a changed man and and it's my

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Speaker 4: near miss on what.

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Speaker 3: If we changed that?

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Speaker 4: But he already had the I saw the light and

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Speaker 4: I was baptized by that.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: And Ronnie came from Oklahoma. He hadn't been hanging out

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Speaker 3: Years like me.

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Speaker 4: So he had a lot of fresh ideas that I

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Speaker 4: think we get bogged down and formula writing sometimes when

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Speaker 4: you're doing that for a living. So it was for

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Speaker 4: me as a writer, it was really a breath of

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Speaker 4: fresh air, honestly, to have some new ideas that you

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Speaker 3: Already, and it was kind of it was fun.

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Speaker 4: We wrote a lot of stuff early that I thought

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Speaker 1: Whenever Bootscoot and Boogie happens and the dance blows up

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Speaker 1: and everybody's that's you know what. I actually learned two

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Speaker 1: Carrie Carter had the biggest crush on was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: a teacher had a two step and electric slide by

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Speaker 1: the way, both of them. I learned a boots Scoot

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Speaker 1: and Boggie the same song. And so when the boot

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Speaker 1: Scoot and Boogie starts to be a thing, did you

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Speaker 1: guys come up with a dance? Did you guys know

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a thing, like, how does that

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Speaker 1: whole thing happen?

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Speaker 2: I wrote her in Oklahoma and we played a big

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Speaker 2: club there called Tulsa City Limits, and we had to

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Speaker 2: do cover songs play club, you know, bars and stuff

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Speaker 2: or they're one original stuff, and these people kept coming

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Speaker 2: up and asking us to play it again. So I

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Speaker 2: kind of thought, well, maybe there's something there. So we'd

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Speaker 2: sneak into the set late at night. But they were

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Speaker 2: doing those dances, and you know, the dance, all the

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Speaker 2: line dancing and all that stuff was already up and

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Speaker 2: going strong in Oklahoma, Texas. But down there, if you

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Speaker 2: if you play a song or dude or play in

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Speaker 2: any of the clubs and they don't dance, then you're

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Speaker 2: you know, you're out. So we had to had to

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Speaker 2: write songs that that kept people moving.

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Speaker 3: We had to write and turn sold beer.

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, right, So.

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Speaker 4: I've never been close to a line dance.

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Speaker 3: I can two step a little. I would kill myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm the clubsiest person in the world. I'd kill myself

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Speaker 3: trying to line dance.

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Speaker 2: Well, we used to stand in front of the stage

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Speaker 2: and go, I'd do that.

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Speaker 3: That looks dangerous.

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Speaker 1: The Boo Book was such a big part of the

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Speaker 1: song though, like it, I mean for two guys that

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Speaker 1: don't dance like that was such a massive part of

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Speaker 1: the song was that was the music video. I mean

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Speaker 1: I were watching CMT. That's crazy, that's awesome. Can I

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Speaker 1: just stand here and tell you how awesome you are

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Speaker 1: for like fifteen minutes. This is the best thing my

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Speaker 1: gigging out too hard to keep it going. Oh my goodness. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So how about these Las Vegas shows you guys are doing,

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Speaker 1: like you come back together, right, I mean I bet

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Speaker 1: that pays so much, right, those Vegas shows? Holy crap,

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Speaker 1: all this and money too, I mean right, like you

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Speaker 1: get to play all the hits and that bag. Do

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Speaker 1: you stay in Vegas for like three or four days?

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Speaker 1: They put you up? How does that work?

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Speaker 2: They give us all the sweet and uh have you

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Speaker 2: seen the end of years yet?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 1: It's they're that big skates come on a couple of butlers.

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Speaker 2: So if you want something anytime, you get that. But

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Speaker 2: other than that, it's a good view.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're two weeks set a time, four times a year,

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Speaker 4: so you're out there. You do three shows a week

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Speaker 4: and you know, get some golf in and and it's

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Speaker 4: just fun to stumble down from your hotel room onto

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Speaker 4: a stage where all your guitars are in tune and

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Speaker 4: it sounds the same as it did last night, and

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Speaker 4: just to sing and play. It's about as great a

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Speaker 4: situation as you could ever hope for, and it's fun

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Speaker 4: to sing those songs again. I think it was good

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Speaker 4: for us to get away from it for a few years.

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Speaker 4: And Riva, you know, kind of we got a great

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Speaker 1: Honestly, we both we mentioned earlier with the Kennedy Center Honors,

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Speaker 1: I do. I'm again a Hugeriva fan and she's been

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Speaker 1: great to me. But how did you guys become friends

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Speaker 1: of Riba?

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Speaker 4: Gosh, we hired us in ninety three.

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Speaker 2: I guess she was the first tour that we actually

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Speaker 2: then there were like four or five major tours straight Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Who else since I think, yeah, and then Riba. So

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Speaker 2: she had a spot and gave us the opening spot.

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Speaker 2: He gave us ten feet of stage in ten minutes

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Speaker 2: and one hundred dollars a night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we took hundred bucks crazy.

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Speaker 4: But a few years later we both kind of I

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Speaker 4: I think in ninety six and maybe ninety seven we uh,

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Speaker 4: we did some co headlining together. We had twenty one

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Speaker 1: Wow, what song is it? What gets the biggest reaction

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Speaker 1: when you play it?

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Speaker 1: Because you have so many hits, people probably react definitely

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Speaker 1: everywhere you go. What's the one where you get people

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Speaker 4: I'd probably say, Mom, Marie.

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Speaker 1: Oh come on, that's a dance too, gotta be kidding me, Amy,

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Speaker 1: we have freaking brooks and done in here and that's

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Speaker 1: crazy and thing you want to ask them and hog

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Speaker 1: at this whole interview. I have like ten pages of

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Speaker 1: notes I made last night you got it? I made.

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Speaker 1: Here's page one, tell them they're awesome, checks.

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Speaker 2: Going by formula, Yeah, I love you guys.

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Speaker 1: Page two, remind them how awesome they are. Yeah. Page three,

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Speaker 1: good luck in the future. So La brand new Man

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Speaker 1: was the first one for number one. What's that number

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Speaker 1: one party. Like back then, first time you get a

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Speaker 1: number one, back in the day, you hit number one,

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Speaker 4: I know Donna Hilly threw us a party Tony at

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Speaker 4: the time. I just remember we were big into you know,

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Speaker 4: our logos. This this this longhorned steer on steroids and

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Speaker 4: Donna didn't know the difference, but bless her heart, we

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Speaker 4: cow out there, you know, these little horns.

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Speaker 1: I remember going, Okay, what's good effort, you know?

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Speaker 4: And yeah, but end, Yeah, did it ever get too

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Speaker 1: Guys? Where you go? You look around and you go,

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Speaker 1: holy crap, like this is this is a lot like

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Speaker 1: a lot of trucks, a lot of stage You ever

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Speaker 1: go this is? This is a show.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just a matter of personal I guess

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Speaker 2: subjective viewpoint. But there's time. But when it was growing

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Speaker 2: and the door would open and shut like every fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 2: somebody going, hey man, we need more lights, We need

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Speaker 2: to add the lights. Where do you think about adding

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Speaker 2: you know, more more monitors and that kind of stuff

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Speaker 2: that was that's that's the most strenuous part, I think

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Speaker 2: you're not going to step out there and you know,

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Speaker 2: not have enough equipment. Uh, And it was that was

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Speaker 2: kind of out of our wheelhouse. And it's like I

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Speaker 2: just want to sing and write songs. It's like more

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Speaker 2: to it than that. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever do the thing with yell the wrong city?

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Speaker 1: Does he think of you?

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Speaker 1: Did you tell her then, hey, you're just going to

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Speaker 1: sing this as kind of a demo version?

443
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

444
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Speaker 1: Do you think in her mind she was like, I'm

445
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Speaker 1: going to sing this so good that hopefully they can't

446
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Speaker 1: refuse it.

447
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Speaker 10: You know, Linda is so honest and so innocent. She

448
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,879
Speaker 10: was just probably glad to be there and just I

449
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,439
Speaker 10: don't know what was in her mind, but I knew

450
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 10: she would kill the song, love it.

451
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Speaker 5: And you know, all.

452
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Speaker 10: Linda has to do is sing, and she she sells herself.

453
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Speaker 10: It's wonderful.

454
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Speaker 1: Did you know that Dolly would say yes, if you

455
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Speaker 1: asked her to do that, No, did you worry she

456
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say yes?

457
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why I said, managers talk to managers.

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

459
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Speaker 10: I didn't want to put Dolly on the spot. Besides,

460
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Speaker 10: I don't have her phone number, so I thought it

461
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Speaker 10: would be a good idea just to go in that way.

462
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 10: She had an out if she didn't want to do it.

463
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Speaker 1: I'm curious about your mom because I remember the thing

464
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Speaker 1: I've read about her. She could sing, uh huh, and

465
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 1: she wanted to a singer, but she ended up being

466
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Speaker 1: a school teacher and teaching music to kids. Uh liked.

467
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Speaker 1: Did her desire to be a singer influence your desire

468
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Speaker 1: to be a singer?

469
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Speaker 11: Yes?

470
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Speaker 1: Like did her once make you want it? Yes?

471
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Speaker 10: How so, because when we were rodeo and we didn't

472
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Speaker 10: have a radio in the car and four kids in

473
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 10: the back seat, wrastling was getting would get on anybody's nerves,

474
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Speaker 10: and so Mama would get us to sing to keep

475
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Speaker 10: us out of trouble, keep us occupied. Then first grade,

476
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Speaker 10: the teacher would say we're having a Christmas program. Anybody

477
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Speaker 10: want to sing? And I'd raise my hand and Mama

478
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 10: would encourage me on that. Just like she did pay

479
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Speaker 10: Alison Susie. And so when we got in the high

480
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Speaker 10: school junior high years, they formed a little country western

481
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Speaker 10: band and we played the football games and had little concerts.

482
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Speaker 10: And then when I went on to college, I took

483
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Speaker 10: Mama made sure I took eighteen hours keep me out

484
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Speaker 10: of trouble.

485
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of hours that will keep you out

486
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Speaker 1: of trouble.

487
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Speaker 10: It didn't, and so, but they were mostly music classes.

488
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Speaker 10: And so when I went to the National Finals rodeo

489
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Speaker 10: in Oklahoma City in seventy four, I was a sophomore.

490
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 10: Daddy knew I was up there party and having a

491
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Speaker 10: good time, and he said, won't you get you a

492
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 10: job while you're up there? And I said, shoot, that

493
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 10: would interfere with.

494
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Speaker 8: All my fun. I said doing what?

495
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Speaker 10: And he said sing the national anthem. And that's when

496
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 10: Red Stevegall heard me. So fast forward. That was in

497
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Speaker 10: December seventy four, seventy five. He said, Jack, bring Rieba

498
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 10: down and we'll cut a demonstration tape. I didn't really

499
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 10: want to. I didn't know anybody in the music business.

500
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 10: I had all my friends in the rodeo. I wanted

501
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 10: to be a world champion barrel racer. So about halfway

502
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 10: from Oklahoma here, Mama, I said, let's stop here and

503
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 10: do this. Mama said, you know, if you don't want

504
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 10: to do this, that's fine, let's just go home. But

505
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 10: if you do this, I'll be living all my dreams

506
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 10: through you. I said, well, Thunder, what did you say?

507
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 10: So get in the car, let's go. And when Mama died,

508
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 10: I told Susie because we were cleaning out Mama's house,

509
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 10: I said, I don't think I want to do this anymore.

510
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 8: She said why. I said, I was doing it for mama.

511
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Speaker 1: When you do it now, are you still doing it

512
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: for your mom?

513
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 12: Yeah?

514
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, But it took me good three months to say,

515
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 10: call Susie back, say okay, I'm back, I'll do it.

516
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: Here's Clint Blake talking about getting his first single on

517
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Speaker 1: the radio and what it was like at signings at

518
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: Walmart and Target back in the day. You know, I

519
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 1: was looking back, and you can tell me if I'm wrong.

520
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Speaker 11: Here.

521
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Speaker 1: I'm going from memory, but I look back because I had,

522
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: like everybody else, I had the Killing Time tape and

523
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: so from the record Killing Time. But I don't think

524
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: that was was better Man. My recollection was better man.

525
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: A single before Killing Time was yeah.

526
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Speaker 13: Actually, you know, the first single was set to be

527
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 13: straight from the factory and and I was worried about

528
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 13: it in cities. I knew it would go over in

529
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 13: Texas and Oklahoma, and I was just kind of worried

530
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Speaker 13: about it. And we got to KZLA and Los Angeles

531
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Speaker 13: and Bob Gara was the program director and we're sitting

532
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 13: in his office and playing that song and he stops

533
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 13: the tape and he says, well, he said I could

534
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Speaker 13: add that if you get it into the top twenty.

535
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 13: So I knew what that meant. I didn't I know

536
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 13: a lot about the business yet, but I also didn't

537
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Speaker 13: know if it would be okay for me to pull

538
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 13: this tape I had in my pocket out and playing

539
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Speaker 13: something from it. Carson Schreiber was the promotion guy there,

540
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 13: and I kind of looked over at him and decided,

541
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Speaker 13: I'm just going to do it. And I pulled out

542
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 13: the tape and I said, I said, Bob, pop this

543
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 13: in and play that first song. And it was better, man,

544
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 13: And that's what I was thinking, you know, would be

545
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 13: a better first single. But I just I let him

546
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Speaker 13: play it. And at the end of the first course,

547
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 13: he stopped the tape and said, I'll add that out

548
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 13: of the box. So we got out of there and

549
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 13: called the head of RCA and said, you know, here's

550
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 13: what just happened. And the decision was made on the

551
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 13: spot to switch to a Better Man.

552
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Speaker 1: And how fast did that song make you feel like

553
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: you were firmly in the country music community.

554
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 13: It took a while, you know. I was still traveling

555
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 13: around in a twelve seater van pulling a U haul

556
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 13: trailer four five hundred miles a day a night, and

557
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 13: so it was about a seventeen week climb to number one.

558
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 13: So we started promoting it in I think late February,

559
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 13: and it peaked in mid June. I think that's seventeen weeks. Anyway,

560
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 13: it really it really seemed to be going fast to me.

561
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 13: But that was not a quick climb back then. But

562
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 13: it was rare for a debut single to go to

563
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 13: number one, And so I'm hearing all these things and

564
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 13: you know, getting perspective by the time that hit. I

565
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 13: think I was. By the time it really you know,

566
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 13: started to peak, I think I was getting some slots

567
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 13: opening for the juds and and acts like that. So

568
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 13: it started to feel more like this is gonna work.

569
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 13: I'm gonna make.

570
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: It when you guys decided to put on Killing Time second,

571
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: and the song again, looking back at as my history,

572
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: I feel like Killing Time was even bigger than A

573
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Speaker 1: Better Man.

574
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 13: Well it had it had a step up on Better Man,

575
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Speaker 13: and I think it was more of a honky tonk

576
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 13: song and you know, but again, I'm stepping off a

577
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 13: debut number one releasing that so uh that song kidding

578
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 13: yet that I think the promotion team had a little

579
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 13: easier time pushing that one out, so it had a

580
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 13: little bit of an advantage. But it's it's also you know,

581
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 13: it's a it's a different feel and flavor and texture.

582
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 13: Better Man was kind of haggard ask and Killing Time wasn't.

583
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 13: I don't know what i'd call it, but it for me,

584
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 13: for my sensibilities, it really it really felt like this

585
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 13: is this is going to You're gonna get different things

586
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 13: from me. It was important to me that I had

587
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 13: diversity and my body of work, and I felt like

588
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 13: that song really spoke to that.

589
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: What was it like plotting a tour back in the

590
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: late eighties early nineties, would you have to use a

591
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: phone book to call places like what was on the bus?

592
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: Would you have a phone book to pull over and

593
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: call places?

594
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 13: Well, I had nothing to do with that part of it.

595
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 13: I had to I just did interviews and showed up

596
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 13: at radio stations and and you know, targets, et cetera.

597
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 13: And but yeah, back then, you know, we'd have to

598
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 13: get to a hotel room, get in there and and

599
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 13: get on the phone. And you know, it was a

600
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 13: while before you know, I got that fifteen pounds cellular phone.

601
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: Did you ever do what you talk about targets and walmarts?

602
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: Did you ever go to one of these signings and

603
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: it it got to the point where it was so

604
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: crazy because you had so many hits in a row.

605
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 13: It was crazy. It was you know, I've said recently,

606
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 13: you know that back then I was pretty level headed.

607
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 13: I feel like I never got the big head and

608
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 13: I treated everyone well. But I I don't know, because

609
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 13: it was so crazy, and I wasn't nearly as comfortable

610
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 13: with it as I am now. It took me a

611
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 13: long time to get used to being famous and the

612
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 13: center of attention, and you know, being in the middle

613
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 13: of chaos. It was it was really hard to adapt to.

614
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 13: So I would. I felt like I went from one

615
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 13: chaotic moment to another. And there were times where, you know,

616
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 13: we're doing nine shows in a row, one day off,

617
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 13: eight shows in a row, one day off. I mean,

618
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 13: they had me really going and I was reaching the

619
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 13: point of really just the point of breaking. And I

620
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 13: told my manager, I said, I'm not going to last

621
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 13: like this, and you know, we have to have some

622
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 13: spacing in there, so you know, it'd end up getting

623
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 13: two days off. But I just didn't that doing interviews

624
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 13: and stuff, you know, so it was really taking a

625
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 13: toll on my vocal cords. And I tried to tell them,

626
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 13: you know, listen to my listen to my melodies, and

627
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 13: listen to my songs. You know, I'm not Joe Cocker.

628
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 13: I can't. I can't sing these things with a raspy voice,

629
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 13: and I can't hit those high notes if I'm worn out.

630
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: Shania Twain talks about how lime disease almost ended her

631
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: career and also her journey from Canada to Nashville. You know,

632
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: you have this entire class of female artists and these here,

633
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: and you know, the last five, six, seven years, you're

634
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: like what they grew up listening to. I mean you're

635
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: what they admire. And I was with you, and you

636
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: brought at Kelsey Ballerini, who were very close to and

637
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: you gouts sing together. We were in California together fun

638
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: and for her that's like a life changing thing. Even

639
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: for me, like you're what I listened to on the radio.

640
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 14: It's it's like a flashback for me.

641
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 15: You know, years ago in concert. I had so many

642
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 15: little kids at the shows, and I just never even

643
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 15: imagined or projected myself into the future, thinking that one

644
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 15: day they're gonna be the you know, kids in their

645
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 15: twenties at my shows. Sometimes they're still there with their parents,

646
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 15: you know, you see the two generations together, and sometimes

647
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 15: it's just the group of college kids coming together the

648
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 15: party and it's and.

649
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 8: They'll say, oh, you were my first concert, and.

650
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 15: I'm like, I'm thinking, wow, okay, you're you're a young adult. Okay,

651
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 15: how is that possible?

652
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 8: So yeah, no, it's true.

653
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 15: It's this whole generation of college kids that went to

654
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 15: my shows when they were little or you know, listen

655
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 15: to my song from the car seat in the back.

656
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, I want to ask you about this. I

657
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: remember reading when you had vocal corret the issue. Yeah,

658
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: I guess I was in college. Right after college, what happened?

659
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: So what happened in your vocal cords? Because you have

660
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Speaker 1: surgery right like some super No No, I mean you can't.

661
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Speaker 9: This is not you can't.

662
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Speaker 15: I can't repair it with surgery.

663
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Speaker 1: Oh so it's still a thing.

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Speaker 5: It's an atrophy thing.

665
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

666
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 14: Yeah, I was tick.

667
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 15: I had limes czi's. I got bit by a tick and.

668
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Wow, that made your vocal cords bad.

669
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Speaker 15: Yep, it's it's you know, lime cise can really get

670
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 15: to your neurological system. And it's I don't you know,

671
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 15: make a long story short, and all the testing that

672
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Speaker 15: I did finally because the vocal cords look normal from

673
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 15: an irregular exam, but I've got slight atrophy on both chords.

674
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 15: The nerves are damaged in there, and so I had

675
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Speaker 15: to get five long needles. You get five long needles

676
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 15: into your larynx and then they read your your nerve.

677
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Speaker 5: Activity. Yeah that's what.

678
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Speaker 15: Yeah, And so I've got a bit of tertria on

679
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Speaker 15: both sides and it's it's really really makes it really tough.

680
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Speaker 15: I do a lot of vocal physiotherapy basically, so.

681
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of warm up then before you go out.

682
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 15: Well, I'm trying to get the warm up down right now.

683
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 15: I need about an hour and a half to warm up.

684
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Speaker 15: And I can't do any spontaneous singing. Like if I

685
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 15: was just sing like right now, I would sound like

686
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Speaker 15: a dying cow.

687
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 5: I really need to.

688
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Speaker 15: And that's really a bummer for me because sometimes I'm

689
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Speaker 15: in a club or whatever and I feel like, you know,

690
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 15: I just want to get up and sing where I

691
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 15: wanted to karaoke and you know, get into the whole thing.

692
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 15: But I could really damage myself if I did that. Wow,

693
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 15: So and I don't want to damage myself. I don't

694
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 15: have nodules or anything that you know, the typical singer.

695
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 15: So this is from a lime disease. It's nerve damage,

696
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 15: and it's really a bummer. I'm stuck with it for

697
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 15: the rest of my life. But so it just takes

698
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 15: a lot of work. It's like a permanent injury.

699
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be weird to just even singing knowing

700
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: you have because I have a lot of friends with

701
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: professional athletes, and like they've torn my heart. But they

702
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: say even the mental part of it is the hard

703
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: because they don't even want to press on it because

704
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: they're like, what if even though they've done all the

705
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: proper right, it gives out.

706
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Speaker 15: And it is like that, like if I don't warm

707
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 15: up and really prepare it is. I always do refer

708
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 15: to it like ane like a bad knee, and you

709
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 15: never know when that knee's going to give out on you.

710
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 15: And that happens to me when I'm singing, Like I

711
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 15: wouldn't be able to be an opera singer, for example,

712
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 15: because you know, but because I'm running around and I'm

713
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 15: I can add a live and I can. I can,

714
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 15: I can work with it, I can, I can manage it.

715
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 15: And I'm just so determined, Like I couldn't sing for

716
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 15: a long long time and I could barely yell out

717
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 15: for my dog. It's really really a because the air

718
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 15: escapes from the you know, it's very technical, but but

719
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 15: I was just really determined to get to the bottom

720
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 15: of it and find out what I could do about it.

721
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 15: And little by little I realized that I could do this.

722
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Speaker 9: I could do it again, and.

723
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: So now I'm not going to give up.

724
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 5: Now. You know, it takes a.

725
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 10: Lot of work.

726
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 14: I have to say, it's.

727
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Speaker 15: A lot of work, and I do get to, you know,

728
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 15: discouraged some days, like an athlete with an injury, you

729
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 15: do worry is that is it going to give out

730
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 15: on me when I'm on stage? Is it gonna Is

731
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 15: it going to be there for me and when I

732
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 15: need it? But I feel really good just talking about

733
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 15: it too. That helps me psychologically with it, and I

734
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 15: accept it.

735
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 14: It's just part of who I am.

736
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Speaker 5: Now.

737
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about people crying, cause I

738
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: may people they meet you, they cry all the time.

739
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: How do they How do you use to people crying

740
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: when they meet you because you're royalty inside of our format,

741
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: you're royalty.

742
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 15: Well, you know, my mother used to always cry whenever

743
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 15: I would sing. Every time, like at the kitchen table,

744
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 15: A good cry, like mom, you know. Like so I

745
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 15: would sit at the kitchen table, I play our a

746
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 15: new song that I wrote. You know, I'm like ten

747
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 15: or something. You know, she'd cry, and then you know,

748
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 15: I'm on stage, I sing a song, she cries, or

749
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 15: we're out of hig I was party somewhere, sing a song,

750
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 15: she cries. I mean she would always cry. She was

751
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 15: always very emotional about I don't know what it was, whether.

752
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 8: You know, what does do all mothers do that, like cry.

753
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 15: All the time when their child performs. I don't know,

754
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 15: but my mother always did, and so I'm used to

755
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 15: it and I appreciate. I learned to appreciate it at

756
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 15: the time as a kid, I'm like, oh, mom, come on,

757
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 15: and you've heard me sing a million times, you know.

758
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 15: But I've really learned to appreciate the connection with people

759
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 15: and what and what and the emotion said it's to

760
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 15: something people do.

761
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Speaker 1: Friends ever ask you to sing at their wedding, because

762
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Speaker 1: I always feel like that would be really awkward, like

763
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Speaker 1: if someone's your friend.

764
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 5: Like, ooh, as you sing? I know, no, you know.

765
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Speaker 15: They have you know I have done that. I know,

766
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 15: I know I have done that, but never like not

767
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 15: in like a band setting. You I'll just like get

768
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 15: up and do a little few lines of something, you know,

769
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 15: just to to do it. But yeah, no, that does happen.

770
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Speaker 15: The karaoke is the worst.

771
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Speaker 1: The pressure on you to go anywhere where anybody's singing,

772
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: because everyone's like, oh, she's going to get up and sing.

773
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: I know, well, sheet, but now I.

774
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 15: Can't do that even if I wanted to that that

775
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 15: is kind of a bummer. But yeah, you know, because

776
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 15: I gotta warm up. I just can't get out up there,

777
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 15: and like, you know, do it?

778
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: What is your I mean, what's your song? When you

779
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: think of Shanai, what's your song?

780
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 9: Who's bet of your bits of ben under? And that's

781
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 9: the first thing. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

782
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 5: For sure.

783
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 15: I wrote that in a little bush cabin in Canada

784
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 15: by my wood stove.

785
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: Really yeah, just you wrote that song by yourself?

786
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 15: Well, I wrote it, and then I wrote that before

787
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 15: I met Mutt, and then when we met, that was

788
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 15: one of the songs I pulled out of my hat

789
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 15: and and then we finished it together. I don't really

790
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 15: even remember what we did collaboratively on that, but we

791
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 15: want to do everything in the hat at that point,

792
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 15: you know, once we were collaborating as songwriter.

793
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: So what is your quintessential Nashville story? Because you hear,

794
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: you know, there are a hundred stories about you. Now

795
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: you just pack up moved to town.

796
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 14: I did.

797
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 15: I literally drove here from Timmins, Ah, put everything in

798
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 15: the back of my Jimmy that was my vehicle at

799
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 15: the time, and loaded that up with everything I could

800
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 15: possibly put in there, laundry basket, I mean everything, I mean,

801
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 15: I was I had no money, and I just drove

802
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 15: the three days to Nashville and I got a little

803
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 15: bit of cash from the label. I got a put

804
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 15: a you know, first and last month's rent on an

805
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 15: apartment in Brentwood.

806
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 5: And here I was.

807
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: Did you were you famous in Canada already before you

808
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: came down?

809
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 15: No?

810
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: Like, did you have a bunch of Canadian money like Looney's.

811
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 9: Oh she had no money?

812
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 5: No?

813
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 15: No, I had no money. I had no record, No, no,

814
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 15: my my record. I was signed to Nashville, not Canada.

815
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 15: I didn't have a record deal in Canada. I had

816
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 15: never released a record in Canada.

817
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 14: I was still a stage.

818
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 15: Singer, a club singer, singer, songwriter. So I went straight

819
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 15: from that to Nashville.

820
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: And how long until you hit? You moved here? And

821
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: then how long until you had your first big hit?

822
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: Because people think people just move and go snap, there's

823
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: a hit.

824
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 15: I did very fast on you know, it was like

825
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 15: a year.

826
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, did it sweep you up? Like whoa whoa, whoa,

827
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: whoa whoa before you kind of realized what was going

828
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: on and you were a star.

829
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 15: I mean, I was so ready for it, because first

830
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 15: of all, I was already by the time I was

831
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 15: really what you would consider famous. I was thirty. I

832
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 15: wasn't young. I mean I spent my whole youth preparing

833
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 15: for that, So it's not like all of a sudden

834
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 15: I was, you know, twenty two and famous I was.

835
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 14: I was thirty.

836
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 15: I you know, I guess I'm I don't know. I mean,

837
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 15: I didn't have any recording experience. I didn't have any

838
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 15: fame experience. But I'd spent my whole childhood and all

839
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 15: of that, all of my twenties working toward it, you know,

840
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 15: singing in bars and any time type of show that

841
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 15: I could get into, festivals, writing, writing, writing, writing, writing.

842
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 15: I mean I really, you know, wrote all the time,

843
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 15: you know, by myself. I was just a solo writer.

844
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 15: So by the time I made it, I was so ready.

845
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 15: I mean, by the time I met Mine and made

846
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 15: that first record with him, I had a whole stash

847
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 15: of songs and it went very fast that record.

848
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: You know, I think my song was Honey I'm home,

849
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: like when I think, I just like I just love

850
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: the pace. Yeah cool, Yeah, that's a good one.

851
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 15: Yeah that's a rocking It's a Rocan country song, right,

852
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 15: It's got a cool groove.

853
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: Were you told You're not country, like everybody's told.

854
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 15: Now, Yeah, sure I was, But I didn't know what

855
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 15: I It was good for me that I really didn't

856
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 15: know that that would be the case. I didn't really

857
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 15: know what the definition was or what was considered the

858
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 15: definition of country, because I grew up listening to such

859
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 15: a I think, a different country than the country that

860
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 15: maybe you guys grew up here in the US. Two

861
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 15: Because in Canada, we had you know, we had Gordon Life,

862
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 15: we had a lot of folk singers, a lot of

863
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 15: folk artists that were considered country. So my country was

864
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 15: a lot of uh, you know, Joni Mitchell, you know,

865
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 15: Jim Crochet to me was country. The Carpenters were considered

866
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 15: country to me, Willie Nelson and Chris Christopherson and even Elvis,

867
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 15: you know.

868
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 14: So it was kind of.

869
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 15: Odd that I I sort of thought I felt like

870
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 15: I fit into that scope of the more sole folk

871
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 15: type country. And of course, you know, my youth was

872
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 15: eighties raw, so that was always in me anyway too,

873
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 15: and that's how the music came out.

874
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 14: I think in the end that hybrid.

875
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: John Michael Montgomery talks about some of his most career

876
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: defining songs, including one that they wanted to be a

877
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: pop song. So your first song Lives to Dance nineteen

878
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: ninety two, All I did was look at the Billboard chart,

879
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: and I think that's the song that I associate with

880
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: you the most. That didn't probably Grundy County Auction, but

881
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Lives to Dance and Billboard it did not go number one,

882
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: which was wild to think that that song, which is

883
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: the song that I associate you and my childhood with.

884
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: But when that song hit, is that a song that

885
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: got bigger as time went on? Well, I just.

886
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 7: Think it's like, first of all, I didn't want that

887
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 7: song to come out first. I want it I Love

888
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 7: the Way You Love Me to come out first, because

889
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 7: I was like, that's that's a love song.

890
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: Did they say, no ballad, no love song? Is that why?

891
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 7: Well, they explained to me it's like look and I

892
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 7: was used to singing George Strait, Keith Widley LIFs of

893
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 7: Dance is a philosophical kind of song about it. I

894
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 7: just never had really sang a songs like I didn't

895
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 7: even know if I was good at Santa song like that.

896
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 7: But Doug Johnson said, hey, this song's perfect for you,

897
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 7: and It's a perfect one to come out with, and

898
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 7: I just was like, well, we'll probably be lucky to

899
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 7: break top forty with it, you know. But hey, I mean,

900
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 7: what do I know. I'm new, these guys know what

901
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 7: they're doing, so let's do it. You know. I like

902
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 7: this song. I just you know, I gravitated towards the

903
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 7: love song or the good old hardcore country, you know,

904
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 7: heartbreaking song. And so sure enough, broke top forty, Top thirty,

905
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 7: took forever to get up there, and it finally broke

906
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 7: Top five, went to number four, and I mean, of

907
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 7: course I was thinking, wow.

908
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: I got a top five, you know.

909
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 7: And but most people, just like with me and Bob

910
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 7: Seeger and some old and people, can't believe how many

911
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 7: of those big rock bands had big hits but they

912
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 7: didn't go No.

913
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: Number one. Yeah, Aerosmith didn't have a Number one until

914
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: Armageddon the movie like a Love Song way later, and

915
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: they had so many massive songs.

916
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 7: Massive hits that never went to number one, and you

917
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 7: would think every one of those were number ones. And

918
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 7: I think Bob Seger was kind of the same way.

919
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I mean, he just I couldn't believe

920
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 7: that all those big hits he had wasn't number one hits,

921
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 7: but they weren't. What's kind of the same way for

922
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 7: Life of Dance and Beer and Bones and a few others.

923
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 7: They they some of them, you know, get obviously better

924
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 7: as time goes on, and they get bigger as time

925
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 7: goes on. And like, for instance, right now, when I

926
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 7: go and do a show. In the nineties, everybody wanted

927
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 7: to come and hear me sing Lives of Dance and

928
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 7: I swear and I love the way love Me.

929
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: And and.

930
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 7: But now everybody wants to come to hear me sing

931
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 7: sold to Grundy County Auction because that next generation that

932
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 7: were little bitty kids when those songs were held are

933
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 7: now going to the bars and places and going out,

934
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 7: and they want to come and hear me sing that song,

935
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 7: you know. And I mean it's actually bigger than I swear.

936
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 7: It's uh probably out all the numbers that probably out

937
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 7: performs in every way too, I mean, which I mean

938
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 7: it's I remember when I did Be My Baby tonight,

939
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 7: Atlantic Records, especially Rick, they went, that's a stupid song.

940
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna you don't you want to?

941
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 7: I said that I grew up listening to Buck Ones

942
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 7: and people like that. I was like, people love those

943
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 7: kind of songs. And when be my Baby Tonight went

944
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 7: number one, I think what number one?

945
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: Yeah it did nineteen ninety four.

946
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 7: Uh. When I came out with the next album and

947
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 7: I had sold Grundy County auction there, Rick was like,

948
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 7: you ain't gonna hear nothing from me.

949
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: I would think that if you're playing a show, and

950
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the difference in number ones,

951
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: but also like career defining songs that you could just

952
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: get up and go. When I was in the crowd

953
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: just sings the rest of the whole they can sing

954
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the song.

955
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 7: I'm surprised at how popular that song became. It still

956
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 7: surprised me today. I didn't realize how much it meant

957
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 7: to a lot of people out there that struggled in

958
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 7: their life, had struggles in their life. And you and

959
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 7: I still do meet and Greece, but I do a

960
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 7: lot of meet and greets back in the nineties, and

961
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 7: the people that would come up and tell me their

962
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 7: personal stories, I mean, I was just like, oh, wow,

963
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 7: well you know, I mean, you don't realize how much

964
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 7: when you grow up singing other people's songs in the bar,

965
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden you create your own.

966
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 7: You don't realize how much they can mean in people's

967
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 7: lives until you start getting the personal stories. And then

968
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 7: at that point I was like, wow, okay, I get

969
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 7: that song a lot more now than I did back then.

970
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 7: When I Love the Way You Loved Me went number one,

971
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 7: I was actually writing. I was back home on the

972
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 7: Lake Harrington, back there with some buddies and Frank Myers,

973
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 7: who wrote co wrote I swear was right we were.

974
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 7: He came up to write with me, and I finally

975
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 7: told Frank, I said, you know, we had a little

976
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 7: cassette player. You know, we've put stuff down, and I said, Frank,

977
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 7: Bob Kingsley is about to mention that I got the

978
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 7: number one record on American Country Countdown. He's like, I

979
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 7: was like, I'm just gonna have to take a break.

980
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 7: I ain't worth a crap of being right, and I'll

981
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 7: just be honest with you. He said, that's fine. He said,

982
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 7: could you listen to this song real quick? I think

983
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 7: it's perfect for you. He said, I co wrote this

984
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 7: few years ago, and I can't get to get it

985
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 7: pitched anymore. So I carried around with me and it

986
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 7: was I swear and it pitched it to Scott Hendricks,

987
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 7: who you know, produced that album if I swear on it, and.

988
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: I was like, I love it.

989
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 7: And but when it went number one, hearing Bob Kingsley

990
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 7: say my name and I had a number one record,

991
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 7: I mean, it was an incredible moment. I mean that

992
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 7: was probably as big as when I heard Lives of

993
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 7: Dance on the radio station that would you know, out.

994
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: Know you randomly heard it somewhere there was at home?

995
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, But I cheated on it because I was playing

996
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 7: golf with one of the radio guys here Inshville and

997
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 7: we got done playing golf and it's funny and he

998
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 7: was like, he said, so, what did it feel like

999
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 7: here's song on the radio.

1000
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: I said, I haven't heard it yet. It's like we

1001
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: play it all the time.

1002
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: I said, I don't live down here.

1003
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 7: I live in Kentucky and uh And I said, I

1004
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 7: haven't been able to catch it up there to either,

1005
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 7: And he goes, so he makes a phone call to guys.

1006
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: I got John Mike on the car, played lots of dance.

1007
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 7: Next we're getting ready to stop and have some wings

1008
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 7: and stuff and everything, So, I mean it was it

1009
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 7: was a cool feeling. And then after that, it's like

1010
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 7: you know, when you buy a new car, you see

1011
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 7: the same car everybody's got one. After that, hearing it everywhere,

1012
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 7: and but uh, that's got.

1013
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: To be cool. Though it was, it's just it's it's everywhere.

1014
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: You probably here at the grocery store, in the car.

1015
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 7: The craziest thing even today, it's and I agree to you,

1016
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 7: other artists will tell you this. I can't tell you

1017
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 7: how many times I walked into a truck stop or

1018
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 7: I've walked into any of these other places that are

1019
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 7: playing the music on the speakers that one of my

1020
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 7: songs are playing. I mean, and I know they're not

1021
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 7: playing me twenty four to seven.

1022
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: It's just.

1023
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 7: It's just kind of like wow. Just I mean, I've

1024
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 7: walked into places. I can't tell you how many times

1025
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 7: that happens, and it's just the coincidences almost.

1026
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: Well, you and you have so many number one songs

1027
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: that were songs of a generation. I mean, there's only

1028
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: so many songs that I can hear and it assigns

1029
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: me back to where I was at that time, and

1030
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: a lot of your music does that. I mean, you

1031
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: mentioned I swear and it started with you. But then

1032
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: I remember All for One also singing it, you know,

1033
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: but it started with you right like you had the song.

1034
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: You sang the song. Did they approach you or do

1035
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: they approach your.

1036
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 7: Label or the right this this is what happened with

1037
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 7: that song. And you know, I I had Rick Blackburn,

1038
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 7: he you know, he want to meet with me one day.

1039
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 7: So I met with him and he was like, look,

1040
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 7: he said, what do you think about going pop with

1041
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 7: a song? You going me going pop with it? And

1042
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 7: I just told him, I said, Rick, I don't care

1043
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 7: anything about it. I was like, I said, I'm I

1044
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 7: don't want to be a pop singer. I'm like, I'm

1045
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 7: I think the song is definitely good enough to go pop.

1046
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 7: But I said, just to be honest with you, I

1047
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 7: just I'm happy with where I'm at. I want to

1048
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 7: be considered a country music singer and not a crossover

1049
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 7: or any of that kind of stuff. And he said, well,

1050
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 7: he said, I have to tell you there's another group

1051
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 7: up in uh that Atlantic New York is going to

1052
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 7: put out on the R and B section. That's they

1053
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 7: want to put it out. And I was like, let

1054
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 7: him do it. You know, and he's like, he said, well,

1055
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 7: I just wanted to ask you, talk to you about

1056
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 7: it first, and obviously he I guess he just didn't

1057
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 7: want me to be surprised.

1058
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: Were you happy, were you unhappy that they were doing it,

1059
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: or was it so out of your control that you

1060
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: were just like.

1061
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 7: You know, I just I really felt like the song

1062
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 7: was was bigger than me anyway. I thought it was

1063
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 7: just the song exploded. I was like, Wow, this thing

1064
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 7: is huge. But I kind of felt like, you know,

1065
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 7: the song deserves to be heard by another genre, another

1066
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 7: you know. I mean, it's just that good. And I

1067
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 7: just wasn't interested in being that person to go over

1068
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 7: and cross over into the pop world with it and

1069
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 7: all that kind of stuff. I just, you know, I

1070
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 7: just never did have any desires for that. And so

1071
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 7: when it came out, I was like, I was actually

1072
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 7: kind of wanting to see how they did it. You know.

1073
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 7: It's like, how are they going to do this differently,

1074
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 7: you know than I did, you know, And it's been

1075
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 7: it not be a copycat or whatever, But they pulled

1076
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 7: it off nicely.

1077
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: Treshy Yearwood shares the story about the time she met

1078
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: Garth Brooks before he was the Garth Brooks. You know

1079
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: something interesting about you is you mentioned that that you

1080
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: sang on roughly one hundred Garth.

1081
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 9: Songs, Yeah, something like that.

1082
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time that you ever went

1083
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: and sang with them or was he just one of

1084
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: the singers you were popping in with?

1085
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 12: No, I mean, actually I met Garth. It's kind of

1086
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 12: a famous story.

1087
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 16: Now.

1088
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 12: We were introduced by a guy named Kment Blazy who

1089
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 12: wrote if Tomorrow I never got and I did demos

1090
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 12: for Kent. So when during those demo days, when I

1091
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 12: was driving around with the cassette in my car, Kent

1092
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 12: was one of the first guys I met in Nashville,

1093
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 12: long before I met Garth. And so Kent had a

1094
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 12: studio in his attic of his house, and I would

1095
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 12: go over to his house and I would sing, and

1096
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 12: Kent kept saying, I'm working with this other guy, and

1097
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 12: you guys need to meet each other. I feel like

1098
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 12: you guys would really get along, and he needs to

1099
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 12: call you to do some of his chick singer demos.

1100
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 9: I'm like cool.

1101
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 12: And Garth was didn't have a record do yet. I

1102
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 12: think he had just signed with Capital, didn't have an

1103
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 12: album out yet. And so one day Kent hired us

1104
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 12: for to do a demo, a duet. So we met

1105
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 12: at Kent's house in the attic for ten bucks a song.

1106
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 12: And Garth says he didn't get paid anything that day,

1107
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 12: but I think he got ten bucks that day. And

1108
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 12: that was the day that we met. So we met

1109
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 12: before he was you know, famous, And I remember him saying,

1110
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 12: because that day he said he went to Bob Dwyle,

1111
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 12: his manager, and said this girl like, you've got to

1112
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 12: hear this girl sing. I remember him saying, you know,

1113
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 12: I just got signed to Capitol. I'm about to put

1114
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 12: up my first album, and I hope someday, you know,

1115
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 12: we can work together and if I'm lucky enough to

1116
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 12: do well and whatever. And I remember when he left,

1117
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 12: I thought, that's cool, like I meaned to, I thought,

1118
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 12: this guy's got really big dreams. I mean, I hope,

1119
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 12: you know, like he's he's not even released his album yet,

1120
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 12: and he's asking me to, you know, be on his

1121
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 12: tour kind of thing. And then of course he became

1122
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 12: Garth Brooks and after that first album, then he called

1123
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 12: me to come and sing on the second album.

1124
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 9: And so it was songs like.

1125
00:52:59,800 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 7: Uh.

1126
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 9: Cole's shoulder was that on the second album. Cole Shoulder

1127
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 9: was on the second album.

1128
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 12: I missed the Friends in Little Place's day. I was

1129
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 12: out of town on tour.

1130
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: Oh the literal day when I.

1131
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 12: Literally missed that day, which really bummed me out because

1132
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 12: there's like everybody's on that song and I wanted to

1133
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 12: be on that record and it wasn't. But it was

1134
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 12: fast forward to when I got my record deal a

1135
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 12: couple of years later, and by that time, Friends of

1136
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 12: Little Places was out and he was this phenomenon, you know,

1137
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 12: and so he he said, let's go over to MCA

1138
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 12: and go see Tony Brown and about seeing if you

1139
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 12: want to come out on tour with me. And everybody

1140
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 12: was wanting to be on that tour. I mean, it

1141
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 12: was like the tour to be on. And so when

1142
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 12: we got to the front desk, the receptionist, Willie, she

1143
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 12: called back to Tony and said, Garth and Trisher here,

1144
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 12: and Garth Fundis is my producer. So Tony thought it

1145
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 12: was me and my producer.

1146
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 9: And so I walk in with.

1147
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 12: Garth Brooks and he's like, I'd like to want I

1148
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 12: like to talk to you about maybe taking Trisha on

1149
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 12: this tour, and of course I was like yes, you know.

1150
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 12: So for me it was kind of a blessing and

1151
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 12: a curse because I had grown up doing demos. I

1152
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 12: had not grown up in the clubs. I'd not come

1153
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 12: up through learning my way in front of a small

1154
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 12: crowd of drunks. So my very first audiences were opening

1155
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 12: for Garth. And you know, doing a set in front

1156
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 12: of fifteen thousand people who didn't know who I was,

1157
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 12: was that right?

1158
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 9: So that was my first and.

1159
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 12: Of course Garth being Garth, you know, most of the time,

1160
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 12: if you're on a big tour like that, the artist

1161
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 12: has all their stuff and then there's a big curtain

1162
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 12: in front of it, and you've got about three feet

1163
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 12: to stand in front of them and do your show, which

1164
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 12: would have been a dream come true for me because

1165
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 12: I was terrified.

1166
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 9: And of course Garth's like, here, here's my whole stage.

1167
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 8: You know.

1168
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 9: I'm like, oh, that's so great. So that was it

1169
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 9: was terrifying, but I had to. It was really baptism

1170
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 9: by fire, you know.

1171
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 12: And I had She's in Love the Boy out, which

1172
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 12: was doing well, but that was the only song I

1173
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 12: had on the radio. So people spent either the entire

1174
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 12: twenty minutes, I was out there getting popcorn or yelling

1175
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 12: for She's Loved the Boy, you know, until that was

1176
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 12: my last song.

1177
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: Is that the first song of yours that you heard

1178
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: on the radio? Yeah, She's in Love with the Boy?

1179
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1180
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: Play that one a little bit.

1181
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 15: Yea.

1182
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: Did you know what was coming when you heard it

1183
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: the first time?

1184
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 9: I remember exactly where I was.

1185
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 12: I was just I was right down the street here

1186
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 12: in Green Hills, driving down the road, and I had

1187
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 12: a four door Burgundy Honda Used and I was driving

1188
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 12: down that road and I heard it come on, and

1189
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 12: I rolled all the windows down, and I don't know why.

1190
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 12: I guess I thought I wanted everybody on.

1191
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 9: The street to hear it too. I don't know.

1192
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 12: I mean it was like this, you know, just this

1193
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 12: whole your whole body lights up, you know, And it

1194
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 12: was the most exciting thing in the world, because I

1195
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 12: had literally wanted to be a singer since I was

1196
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 12: five years old. And I remember listening to the radio

1197
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 12: in my mom's and dad's kitchen in our house thinking

1198
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 12: I was naive enough to think, well, they're on the radio,

1199
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 12: why can't I be? And I think that's part of

1200
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 12: the reason that I became one of those one percent

1201
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 12: because I didn't know the odds.

1202
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 9: I don't know what the odds.

1203
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 12: Were, and I really just believe, well, if they can

1204
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 12: do it, why can't I do it.

1205
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: Did you feel when you were working at the front

1206
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: desk and people would come into work in a profession

1207
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: that you wanted to do, that you were as good

1208
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: as they were already, And because I know it's frustrating

1209
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: when people are doing what you want to do, but

1210
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: did you feel like, oh, I'm I'm there to talent wise,

1211
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: it's just I gotta put in my time.

1212
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 12: My thing was I believed in my voice. I believed

1213
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 12: that I had a voice and that I could sing.

1214
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 12: But I'm I'm basically an introvert. I mean, I'm not

1215
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 12: like I grew up watching Barbara Mandrel on television and

1216
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 12: she played every instrument and she danced and she did

1217
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 12: all this stuff, and I'm not that kind of an entertainer.

1218
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 12: And so I really thought, you know, I can sing.

1219
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 9: I'm a little bit overweight. I don't play an instrument.

1220
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 10: Really.

1221
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 12: I can play a little bit of guitar, but I don't.

1222
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 12: So I didn't think I had enough. I thought I've

1223
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 12: got this one skill that I believe in, but I

1224
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 12: don't have all these other ones. So I think for

1225
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 12: me it was I did have a strong belief in

1226
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 12: myself and I don't. I think if I didn't, I

1227
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 12: wouldn't be sitting here. But at the same time, I

1228
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 12: had all these doubts about the things that I thought

1229
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 12: I needed to be able to do before I could

1230
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 12: be successful at it.

1231
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: So you felt you had to develop. Even then you

1232
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: felt like you need to develop a bit more. Yeah,

1233
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: you weren't so.

1234
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 12: Strong, No, no, I mean, and I went to Belmont

1235
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 12: where there were so many music majors, and you couldn't

1236
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 12: you throw a stick without somebody telling me what a

1237
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 12: great singer they were, you know, And I was not

1238
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 12: that girl. And even actually at at MTM Records after

1239
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 12: I got my record deal, there were people at that

1240
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 12: building who said, we didn't even know, we didn't know you.

1241
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: Sang really yeah, so you weren't. You aren't one of

1242
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: the ones that were like, hey, I sing I sing

1243
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: I was not.

1244
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 9: I was not.

1245
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: How did you change that then? How did you start

1246
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: telling people I sing I sing?

1247
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 12: I think it was because I was shy and I

1248
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 12: wasn't bold about telling people I was a singer. But

1249
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 12: after working at that label for about six months and

1250
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 12: answering the phones and ordering liquid paper and not and

1251
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 12: watching people do what I wanted to do, I realized,

1252
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 12: if I don't tell somebody this is what I do,

1253
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 12: if I don't really get off my butt and try

1254
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 12: to make this happen, then I'm going to get to

1255
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 12: do this for the rest of my life.

1256
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 9: And I reconnected.

1257
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 12: I had I had a couple of songwriters, one was

1258
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 12: camp Lazy that I had done demos for, and I

1259
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 12: I just found those guys again and said, hey, I'm

1260
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 12: trying to find trying to get some demo work, and

1261
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 12: demo work was my way out once I started to

1262
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 12: get enough work that I could actually quit my job.

1263
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: Who was it for you that took the big shot,

1264
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: like you went, Wow, this person really like put it

1265
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: out there for me to believed in me when maybe

1266
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: they didn't have to.

1267
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 12: I mean, there was there were several, There were a

1268
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 12: lot of people. The chain of events were the two Garths, honestly,

1269
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 12: because when I met Garth Brooks, he was the person

1270
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 12: who introduced me to Alan Reynolds, his producer, and Alan

1271
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 12: was really a great friend to me because Alan gave

1272
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 12: me advice based on what he thought was best for me,

1273
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 12: not what he thought I could maybe do for him.

1274
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 12: And he was the guy who said you should meet

1275
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 12: Garth Fundas. He's a guy who I feel like you

1276
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 12: guys are really hit it off. And Fundus was the

1277
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 12: one who, when he heard me singing, said let's do

1278
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 12: a showcase. He's the one who went to bat for

1279
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 12: me at the record labels and to help me get

1280
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 12: a record deal. And he was the one who helped

1281
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 12: me get the music that was in my head onto

1282
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 12: tape what I really wanted, how I they wanted to sound.

1283
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 9: And the music kind of music that I wanted to make.

1284
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 12: So it was it was really all of those people

1285
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 12: together because I would never met Garth Fundus if wouldn't

1286
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 12: have been for Garth Brooks. And so I guess it

1287
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 12: really was you know, ended up being my husband, the

1288
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 12: one that really believed in me, that was like to

1289
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 12: start just telling everybody about me, and he didn't even

1290
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 12: have a single on the radio, so.

1291
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: He was doing that before. He was yeah freaking Garth Brooks. Yes,

1292
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: he was just a guy named Garth.

1293
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 5: He just was.

1294
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the less famous Garth probably at the time.

1295
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, and he was. And then it was like, I

1296
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 9: know two Garths.

1297
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 11: Now.

1298
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 12: Eventually a guy there's a guy who's a tour manager's

1299
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 12: name is Garth, and he came in and did an

1300
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 12: interview for a job, and I told him, I said,

1301
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 12: you're probably great at what you do, but I can't

1302
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 12: know you, Like, I just can't, Like I have two

1303
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 12: guards in my life. It's already two weird, Like, I

1304
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 12: just can't do it. That's a true story that happened.

1305
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: That's a lot of gard I mean, even two Guarths.

1306
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: I know obviously your husband a bit. I don't know

1307
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: any other Garth.

1308
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 5: I know.

1309
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 9: It's so odd.

1310
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 12: And actually, if we're all in the studio together, which happens,

1311
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 12: it's very strange, you know. So actually I started calling

1312
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 12: Garth fund Is Tennessee because I'm like, I have to

1313
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 12: have like a nickname for you, because I can't because

1314
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 12: I'd say Garth.

1315
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 9: They both with their head.

1316
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 12: Around, you know, I'm like, I know because they never

1317
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 12: hear anybody else call Garth, right, So yeah, so.

1318
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 9: It's a it's a thing.

1319
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: Tracy Lawrence talks about moving to Nashville in nineteen ninety

1320
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: and which artists were in this same class of artists

1321
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: that came into town at the same time back then

1322
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: your first number one sticks and Stones, And I want

1323
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: to get to that in a second when we start

1324
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: talking about music. But when you say you moved here

1325
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: in ninety and so many of my friends, we kind

1326
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: of have like a class. Like when I moved to town,

1327
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: it was always people like Dan and Shaye. They had

1328
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: moved to town, and like, we're all new at the

1329
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: same time, and so I'm in and I'm becoming friends

1330
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: with them, and none of I don't really have much

1331
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: going on. They don't have much going on. So you

1332
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of have all these folks that are getting their

1333
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: feet wet in Nashville at the same time when you

1334
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville in nineteen ninety, Can you think of

1335
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: anyone back that was around, you know, new class.

1336
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 17: There was two of them, the two that I was

1337
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 17: friends with actually did pretty well for themselves. Were quite

1338
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 17: a few of them that were running the bars that

1339
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 17: that kind of fell off the tracks. There never but

1340
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 17: Tim McGraw and Kenny Chesney. They did all right. They

1341
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 17: did okay, they did all right, And men and Tim

1342
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 17: are still close. You know, I hadn't talked to Kenny

1343
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 17: in a while, but we were all really good friends.

1344
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 17: We ran around together a lot. Tim was already already

1345
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 17: had a couple of songs out, but they really didn't

1346
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 17: have any impact. And then I got my deal. Sticks

1347
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 17: and Stones popped and Tim came out with Indian Outlaw.

1348
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 17: And it was still a couple of years before before

1349
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 17: Kenny hit.

1350
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: Hard nineteen ninety one. Here is Sticks and Stones.

1351
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 17: The sad stuff.

1352
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: So when this song starts to get some traction, you're

1353
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: a brand new artist. I mean, is the record label

1354
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: like we knew it, We knew you are a guy?

1355
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: Like are you treated differently?

1356
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 17: Rick Blackburn didn't believe in that song. El Roy Kahanick,

1357
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 17: who found me up in Daze of Kentucky, believe in

1358
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 17: that song. He literally got in his car. He was

1359
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 17: the head of promotions at Atlantic and he would drive

1360
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 17: all of the place and bring pds out and stick

1361
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 17: them in the car in the parking lot and make

1362
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 17: them listen to it. El Raconic made that hit. He

1363
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 17: shived it down everybody's throat. But it was so different

1364
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 17: when it came on the radio. There was nothing else

1365
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 17: that was like it, and that was the thing that

1366
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 17: that change in musical style. When I was trying to

1367
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 17: figure out in the summer of ninety when I was

1368
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 17: living in Louisiana, what do I need to do? Because

1369
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 17: you got to think about all the stuff that would

1370
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 17: happen that happened in eighty nine. You had Alan Jackson

1371
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 17: that came out, Mark Chestnut, Vince Gill, Garth Brooks. It's

1372
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 17: all this new music, this new sound that was happening,

1373
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 17: and it was exciting back then, and I was like,

1374
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 17: I've got to go be a part of that.

1375
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: I've got to go be a part of it now.

1376
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 17: So when I got the shot to cut my record

1377
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 17: and James Stroud and I were put together and all

1378
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 17: the wheels started turning on that kind of stuff. I mean,

1379
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 17: James had cut that first record on Clinton Black, So

1380
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 17: I was with part of that new sound that was

1381
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 17: making that change in country music. That's when that young

1382
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 17: country slogan, that whole thing just exploded out in Nashville.

1383
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: It was awesome time. Did you get any pushbacks? Ace?

1384
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: Your was different, and every kind of different generation gets

1385
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: a pushback. Was there any there? You know?

1386
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 17: I never felt it personally towards me, and I know

1387
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 17: a lot of the older guys. I heard the Whaling's

1388
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 17: and the Haggards grumbling underneath the surface, you know that

1389
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 17: they weren't getting airplay on the radio anymore, and there

1390
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 17: was a there was not It was not a there's

1391
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 17: not a lot of love toward us from those guys

1392
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 17: early on. I think it kind of eased up as

1393
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 17: time went on. But the one person that I never

1394
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 17: felt that from was George Jones. Never uh. And you know,

1395
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 17: George and Nancy they found a way to embrace that change,

1396
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 17: and so they just they gathered us all up and

1397
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 17: made us part of I don't need no rocking chair

1398
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 17: and all that stuff. And I went on tour with Jones.

1399
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 17: So it was it was. It was a great time.

1400
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 17: But George, they they just approached it from a different perspective.

1401
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 17: But yeah, there was there was some pushback. But you know,

1402
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 17: these guys have been getting the air play for thirty plus

1403
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 17: years and then all of a sudden, all these young

1404
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 17: kids are coming in town. The music's changed and taking over,

1405
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 17: and they're not getting airplay anymore. They're a little bit

1406
01:03:59,000 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 17: bitter at times.

1407
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: H Billy Ray Cyrus talks about the huge turning point

1408
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: in his life of when he decided to be sober

1409
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: and how that's impacted his career. What was happening in

1410
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: your life that had you feeling these feelings to create

1411
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: this dynamic music you think, I.

1412
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 6: Think it was an excess of alcohol. There was probably

1413
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 6: some h I hate to even say him, there was.

1414
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 6: It was a pretty.

1415
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: Rough time, so it was a very excessive alcohol.

1416
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 6: I'll just leave it to that.

1417
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: Were you, when you say excessive, did you know it

1418
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: was a problem or were we just partying too hard?

1419
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 6: I was actually working. It was like part of my job.

1420
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 6: I always had a rule. I said, okay, I'll go

1421
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 6: play the first set completely straight, straight up.

1422
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: Could you play us set straight? And yeah? Feel good?

1423
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 15: Yeah?

1424
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: I felt really good.

1425
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 6: I always felt like the first set was like probably

1426
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 6: my most correct and then the second set, like in

1427
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 6: between the break, I might take a little and then

1428
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 6: go up to the second set and I feel loocid.

1429
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 6: That's probably the best set of the night. But by

1430
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:11,919
Speaker 6: the third set, I'd have a puff possibly unfortunately, maybe

1431
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 6: a snort unfortunately. Like then came like it was part

1432
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 6: of people partying. Would send me drinks and some of

1433
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 6: those drinks would be on fire. Someone would be like

1434
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 6: double shots of who knows what, I don't know what

1435
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 6: it takes the light of drink up and then blow

1436
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 6: it out and drink But I would do that. So

1437
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 6: by third set with Rocket pretty hard for set, I

1438
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 6: was probably legally drunk. And unfortunately, Keith Whitley was from

1439
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 6: my neck of the woods up there in Kentucky. You know,

1440
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 6: I was a huge Keith Whitley fan, and when he

1441
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 6: died it had a big impact on me, like, I

1442
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 6: can't finally get to this point where my dream's about

1443
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 6: to come true, but yet I have some issues.

1444
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: So him having his issues and dying did it Do

1445
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: you feel like it was kind of a mirror.

1446
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 6: He saved my life. I mean, this is no other

1447
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 6: way to say it. He saved my life because my manager,

1448
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 6: Jack McFadden, was Keith Whitley's manager, and he was like

1449
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 6: a son to Jack and Jack at that point I

1450
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 6: was on his roster, but he had never seen me play,

1451
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 6: never heard my music, didn't know exactly what it was

1452
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 6: that I did, but he knew it wasn't exactly straight

1453
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 6: up country. And Jack had managed Merle Haggard and Buck

1454
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 6: Owens and Keith Whitley and tragically on May the ninth,

1455
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 6: and again, this is nineteen eighty nine, May the night.

1456
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 6: Jack was going to take me to Sony Records for

1457
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 6: the first time. Jack was going to take me anywhere.

1458
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 6: And again I don't think he'd even hurt any of

1459
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 6: my songs, but we had an appointment. So I came

1460
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 6: down on the eighth. Tragically, Keith Whitley passed away on

1461
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 6: the morning of the ninth, and the meeting was cancer obviously,

1462
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 6: and I drove back home to Huntington, West Virginia, and

1463
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 6: uh played I'm No Stranger to the Rain over and

1464
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 6: over and over and over and over, about played one

1465
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 6: hundred times between here and Huntington, and it just had

1466
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 6: a huge impact on me. And luckily in nineteen and

1467
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 6: ninety one, when I realized that, hey, Cyrus, you're about

1468
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 6: to get your chance. This this you got the album

1469
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 6: that everybody seems to really believe something. Well, they told

1470
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 6: me said, man, hang in there, this is about to happen.

1471
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 6: And I stopped at a bridge down here on the

1472
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 6: harbor somewhere and through all my stuff into the river

1473
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 6: and said, I can't do this and and not be

1474
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 6: at my very best stuff.

1475
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: Worked through your stuff. Do you mean do you mean

1476
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: your actual stuff or drug?

1477
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 6: Cocaine?

1478
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: Got it the damn devil? Last you were cold turkey?

1479
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 6: Did I pulled over and threw my damn cocaine out?

1480
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: Would you have considered yourself an addict or someone who

1481
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: and I come from a massive family of addictions. So

1482
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: were you an addict? Or were you someone who just

1483
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: enjoyed it but could also if you needed to stop stop?

1484
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 6: I don't think I could stop stop, especially on alcohol,

1485
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 6: because I drank since I was a kid, and I

1486
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 6: ain't had a beer sense like I mean that I

1487
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 6: had to stop everything, except I did say, you know what,

1488
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 6: having a little puff every now and then, if marijuana

1489
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 6: helps me, it's medicine to me. And so I kind

1490
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 6: of allowed myself to say, Okay, if you get rid

1491
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 6: of these two devil alcohol and the cocaine, you can

1492
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 6: keep a little bit of the marijuana because that's kind

1493
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 6: of your medicine.

1494
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: And you never looked back.

1495
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 12: No.

1496
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: Wow. The fact that you stopped, drew a line and

1497
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: stood at that line says a lot about who you

1498
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: are deep down like you and I think it showed

1499
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: itself over and over again with the things you're able

1500
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: to achieve like you. Here's the line. This is my goal,

1501
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: this is what I'm going to achieve, and I'm not

1502
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: going to cross this. And that was a massive step

1503
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: to me. I guess I'm surprised in a way, not

1504
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: at you, but when you hit so hard and you're

1505
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: on and you are a superstar. Now that when you

1506
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: have all every resource, everything's available to you again, available

1507
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: more than it's ever been to you. By the way

1508
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: you have, money, you have, fame, you have you still

1509
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: didn't get back into it, that.

1510
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 6: Run from it.

1511
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: That is amazing.

1512
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 6: I can't. I don't want it around me and I

1513
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 6: don't even want to be tempted by it because it

1514
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 6: never goes away. Sometimes, I joked. I joked with my

1515
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 6: little girl, Noah, a couple of weeks ago, came to

1516
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 6: see me. She said, where are you at, Dad? I said,

1517
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 6: down on the banks of the Harpeth. What are you doing?

1518
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 6: I said, looking for my cocaine? I to the way

1519
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 6: of ninety one. She laughed, Really, I know it's a

1520
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 6: horrible joke, but she thought it was. She knew the

1521
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 6: story and so being able to joke about it a

1522
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 6: little bit. But I never knew anybody that anything could

1523
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 6: come out of.

1524
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: Cocaine whenever you were young teenage years because just you know,

1525
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: being a kid and watching you were just ripped like

1526
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: muscles on muscles, tank top muscles and muscles like you

1527
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: had to have been some sort of ath like crazy athletes.

1528
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 6: Honestly, Noah showed me a couple of weeks ago, this

1529
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 6: thing of thirty years ago. I made my first appearance

1530
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 6: at the Grammys and lost five. Few people can go

1531
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 6: from nothing to losing five Grammys and onenot, but I

1532
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 6: was very I I was very grateful that moment I

1533
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 6: knew I wasn't going to win one, so I wore

1534
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 6: a T shirt that I cut the sleeves out of it,

1535
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 6: said John three point sixteen. It's floating around.

1536
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: Somewhere that I see the picture of my head right now.

1537
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's embarrassing to say, but oddly, yeah, I

1538
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 6: did look more like a linebacker than and and But

1539
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 6: the point was, see, I was going to be a

1540
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 6: professional baseball player up until I was twenty years old,

1541
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 6: nineteen twenty years old, and as things started happening, oddly enough,

1542
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 6: this jacket and you'll see if I turn around in

1543
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 6: this video with Snoop. I took a silver sharpie. I

1544
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 6: wear a leather jacket, but I'm in this full circle moment.

1545
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 6: And Noah had said to me, and she showed me

1546
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 6: that video, Dad, look at you John three sixteen. And

1547
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 6: I wore the shirt because I knew I wasn't going

1548
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 6: to win a Grammy, but I wanted to say thank

1549
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 6: you God for allowing me to persist and pursue this

1550
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 6: dream and not give up because I'm here now, and

1551
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 6: I wanted to say thanks, knowing I wouldn't win and

1552
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 6: get to stand up and say thank you God for

1553
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 6: this moment. So I wore that shirt as that reason,

1554
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 6: and Noah said, we can do It's thirty years later.

1555
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 6: And so I took a silver sharpie and I wrote

1556
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 6: John three sixteen on the back of my leather jacket.

1557
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 6: I didn't wear it in here, but it's in the video.

1558
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 6: I'm gonna wear it this weekend in Vegas. And I

1559
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 6: think there's a lot to that. Knowing that along the line,

1560
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 6: you know, you just got to remember what this journey's

1561
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 6: all about.

1562
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: Here's Jody Messina sharing stories behind some of her biggest hits,

1563
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: and we learned something pretty shocking about her song Heads

1564
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: Carolina Tales California your first number one nineteen ninety eight.

1565
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: Here is bye Bye.

1566
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 11: Down my celebator Mirrnal.

1567
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: Never so was this your first single or was it

1568
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: your first single that went number one? And did you

1569
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: have one before this that didn't?

1570
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 11: We're just gonna love this one one of my teammates.

1571
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 11: My first single was Heads Carolina Tales California.

1572
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: Which is that which is bizarre?

1573
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 14: Maria wait and now get around by Maria.

1574
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna talk about that. That's the wildest song

1575
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: to never go number one. Heads Carolina Tells California, like

1576
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: I can.

1577
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 11: It did on some charts, like the smaller charts, but

1578
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 11: Billboard and I think R and R it's set behind

1579
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 11: my Maria forever.

1580
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: That is just some bad luck that two of the

1581
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: biggest country songs of all time are on the chart

1582
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: at the exact same time. Paper just want to kick

1583
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: Ronnie and Kicks in the shin and be like, hey, guys,

1584
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: come on, let me hop up there a spy.

1585
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 11: They were my first major tour, so no I learned

1586
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 11: a lot from them touring with them, and they were

1587
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 11: just so kind to me, and the crew was kind

1588
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 11: to me, and they they gave everybody the speech you

1589
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 11: know when we first started, like whatever, whatever they need,

1590
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 11: you know, just see to it that they have it,

1591
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 11: take care of them. And we were just spoiled rotten

1592
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 11: on their tour. So no, but we did have bad

1593
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 11: luck or not bad luck, but we did have that

1594
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 11: same luck again with Lesson and Leavin that song that's

1595
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 11: for in a few years after that.

1596
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: Who sat at number one that time one star, Oh

1597
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 1: baby amazed? Wow?

1598
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 11: Eight weeks eight weeks we were at number one and two.

1599
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So let me rewhind for a second. So

1600
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: heads Carolina tells cal which we still play on our show,

1601
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: because I mean, that song just transcends every form of music,

1602
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: every form of it doesn't matter. It's such a good song.

1603
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 8: That thank you.

1604
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: Was that your first ever single, and if so, it

1605
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: must have felt like a rocket ship.

1606
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 14: Well here's the deal.

1607
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 11: We were done with the album and Tim Nichols, who's

1608
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 11: one of the writers on there, had called me and

1609
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 11: said because he saw me at a showcase and he's

1610
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 11: seen me around town singing, and he called me and said, hey,

1611
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 11: I wrote this song and I was wondering if you

1612
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 11: would listen to it. I'm like dude, we're done. We're

1613
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 11: done with the record finally. And he's like, please, let

1614
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 11: me just leave it in your mailbox. Listen to it,

1615
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 11: and then let me know what you think.

1616
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 5: And so he did.

1617
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 11: He left at the mailbox and I was like, man,

1618
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 11: this song is really catchy.

1619
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 14: I love the chorus.

1620
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 11: I'm not crazy about the opening two lines, but I'm

1621
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 11: going to play it for my producers. And I played

1622
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,799
Speaker 11: it for my producers and they're like, which is Byron

1623
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,480
Speaker 11: Gallimore and Tim McGrath's.

1624
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 5: And they were like, oh man, we got to cut this.

1625
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 11: And I was like, yeah, but I don't like the

1626
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 11: first couple of lines, and so they're like, well, ask.

1627
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 5: Him to change it, and I was like okay. So

1628
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 5: they did. The only studio time that was available then

1629
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 5: was on.

1630
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 11: The fourth of July, so we actually cut it the

1631
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 11: fourth of July before it was released.

1632
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 1: And so as you cut it, were you already this

1633
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: is a single? Like in your mind, were you cutting

1634
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: it to be a single or are you cutting it

1635
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: just to get it on the record and see what

1636
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: would happen.

1637
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 5: We're cutting it to get it on the record.

1638
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 11: And then as soon as we passed the record in

1639
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 11: as soon as we passed it in, They're like, okay,

1640
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 11: this would be the first single.

1641
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: Do you remember what the lines were that were changed?

1642
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 11: We stood have known it the day they cut that

1643
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 11: paper mill down.

1644
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 5: Or shut the paper mill down.

1645
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 11: Sorry, there'd be no future for us, no more in

1646
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 11: our little town.

1647
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 14: I've got people in Austin.

1648
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 5: Ain't your daddy still in the morning, I was like, oh,

1649
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 5: and can we change Austin to Boston?

1650
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 14: People in Boston?

1651
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's about peaks at two and then

1652
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: you okay, so then bye Bye comes out? And did

1653
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: you feel like a little bit because Bye Bye again

1654
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: such a great So did you feel like a little

1655
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 1: bit that the chart? The chart people felt like, Okay,

1656
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: we need to make because she got such a raw

1657
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: deal with Heads Carolina Taels, California, we need to make

1658
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: sure there's nothing else in away with this one.

1659
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 11: I don't think they were aware. I think it was

1660
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 11: just the song itself. I saw they pitched you, and

1661
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 11: I pitched it to me. It was a Phil Vassar song,

1662
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 11: and they I loved it as soon as we heard it,

1663
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 11: and so and that one we had a different first

1664
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 11: line too. The opening line for that was a girl

1665
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 11: you sure look pretty there standing in the doorway in

1666
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 11: the sunset light.

1667
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 5: And when I sing it, it's.

1668
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 14: Like, boy, you sure look good.

1669
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 5: They're standing in the doorway.

1670
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 11: And I remember before we cut it, Phil Vash was like,

1671
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 11: it's not a song for a girl, it's a guy's song.

1672
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 5: And so he still says.

1673
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 14: That today, he's like, that's not a girl's song. That

1674
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 14: was written for a guy. So but we we love

1675
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 14: each other.

1676
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 11: But he's, yeah, we got bye bye that came out,

1677
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 11: and then.

1678
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm all right, yeah, same, I'm all right, yeah, here's

1679
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: the clip.

1680
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 16: If I'm all right, it's a beautiful day, not a

1681
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 16: clown in sight, So I guess something, all right, So

1682
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 16: when I'm looking back, it just kind of the timeline.

1683
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: So heads Carolina tells California comes out, crushes but stays

1684
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: at two. You're not in Kansas anymore. Followed that. Now

1685
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: it was still a top ten song, to be fair,

1686
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: was still a top ten song. How many singles were

1687
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: on that first record though?

1688
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 11: Was that the one they released? Did it make something

1689
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 11: of it? Was that on that album?

1690
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 5: And then he'd never.

1691
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 11: Say maybe maybe before because I remember we were trying

1692
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 11: to buy time to get to the next album.

1693
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 5: And so we would complete the record.

1694
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 11: And that was a process back then because you had

1695
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 11: to go around listen to the songs, and then you

1696
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 11: had to put a playlist together, bring it to the producers.

1697
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 11: They'd go through it that cast out the things they

1698
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 11: didn't like, to bring it to the label. The label

1699
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 11: would cast out things that they didn't like. Then they

1700
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 11: came down to a small list and then they'd play

1701
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 11: it for friends.

1702
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 5: See you know who liked it and what people thought.

1703
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 5: And it took forever. It took forever to make a record.

1704
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: Well, when that second record comes out nineteen ninety eight,

1705
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: quite the year because you also had stand Beside Me,

1706
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: which was a number one song as well.

1707
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 5: Yes it is written by a man, and here you go.

1708
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: Here a stand beside it not so you gotta be

1709
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: feeling pretty good. You got three number ones in a

1710
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: row here, And at this point, are you headlining the

1711
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: big shows?

1712
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 7: Now?

1713
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 11: We didn't start headlining until like we were kept being

1714
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 11: an opening act and opening act, and then they're like, okay,

1715
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 11: you're gonna have to step out on your own.

1716
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 5: And so we started to step out on our own.

1717
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 11: And there was a new group that was out and

1718
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 11: I loved them, and I was like, oh, my gosh,

1719
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 11: they have to be my opening act and we have

1720
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 11: to find out how to get them.

1721
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 5: And people like, ah, they're not gonna last.

1722
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 11: You know, they're a bunch of young, you know, pretty boys,

1723
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 11: and then not gonna last. You don't want that on

1724
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 11: tour with you. And I was like, oh, but I

1725
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 11: love them so much. And that was at the beginning

1726
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 11: of the ninety nine or two thousand. It was two

1727
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 11: thousand where we took Rascal.

1728
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 14: Flats out with us and they, oh, for us.

1729
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 5: Or for me?

1730
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: Twenty three years ago, I'm all right, came out you

1731
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: landed your first number one. Dang twenty three years ago.

1732
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: This year when it hits number one after you know,

1733
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: three or four songs that didn't, was it a relief, like, Hey,

1734
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: I finally arrived, Like this second record, we knew, we

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: leveled up, and like, I have a number one, so

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01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: it's game time. Did it feel like that at all?

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Speaker 5: I never really had that mentality.

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01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 11: I think my mentality was always one of gratitude. And

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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 11: when then you're in the midst of it, you're trying

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01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 11: to keep up, like you have a number one song,

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 11: it's like, oh my gosh, how's the next We're going

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Speaker 11: to do?

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01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 14: Okay, we're gonna work really hard.

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 5: We're gonna make it happen. We're gonna you know. It

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01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 5: was like constantly fast moving.

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01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 11: Everywhere, going everywhere, and to all the radio stations and

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01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 11: to you know, to do all the like you know,

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01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 11: will you come play for our lunch or will you

1749
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 11: come play at this small or would you We were

1750
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 11: just chasing it constantly and so and then if you

1751
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 11: look at the award shows.

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01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 5: I told someone this the other day.

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Speaker 11: I don't think people realize this, but you know, my

1754
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 11: songs were things that I wish that I could say,

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01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 11: like I want a man to stand beside me, not

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 11: in front of her behind me, because for some reason

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01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 11: I had a tendency to date jerks, and so I

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01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 11: loved that song because it was like the strong woman

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01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 11: I wish I was, and the same with the same

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01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 11: thing and bye Bye or I'm a Right or all

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01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 11: those songs. So the reason why people gravitated towards those

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01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 11: songs was the same reason that I gravitated towards them.

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01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 11: I was like, man, I wish that was really my heart.

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01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 11: So you take all those songs that did well on

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 11: the chart you throw in award shows. I remember people

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01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 11: because they're very tough songs.

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01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 14: But I wasn't tough.

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Speaker 11: I was like really insecure, and I'm like, I'm so

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01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 11: ugly and I'm so gross and soil. You put me

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01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 11: into a dressing room at an award show with Faith

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01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 11: Hill and Martina McBride and Sarah Evans and Trisha Year,

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01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 11: and I sat in a corner I would put my

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01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 11: I'm like, I did not even feel worthy to be

1774
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 11: in the presence of those girls, but due to the

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01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 11: strong songs and all the lyrics, everybody thought.

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, look how stuck up she is.

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01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 14: And I'm like really going, oh my gosh, I can't

1778
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 14: get too close to you. I'm like, you're so beautiful.

1779
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,839
Speaker 14: I get I can't even exist in your presence.

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01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 11: So I would hide in a corner at the award shows,

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01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 11: I just hided up.

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01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 5: So I never really all that to say.

1783
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 11: I never really reached that Hey I'm there, I'm so cool,

1784
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 11: I got this.

1785
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 5: I'm a big deal.

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01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 11: I always felt grateful to be there and like, oh

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01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 11: my gosh, I can't believe I'm sharing a dressing room

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01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 11: with Martina mccride.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for listening to this episode the Bobby Cast

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01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: all nineties country. I hope it brought back a lot

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01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: of memory. Man, we got another one coming to with

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01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: Dina Carter and Lone starring. Well, we'll get there. Make

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01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,160
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01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,000
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Speaker 1: Bye everybody,