Speaker 1: Hey everybody, We're back with another episode of Cutting the
Speaker 1: Distance podcast. I'm Dirk Durham and we have a special
Speaker 1: guest today. I know, I kind of admit sometimes I
Speaker 1: think every time I say we have a special guest today,
Speaker 1: but really today is a very special guest. My good
Speaker 1: friend and videographer personal videographer Dusty Roupe. Hello.
Speaker 2: Nice to be here with you, Dirk. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Dusty lives in the same town as me, kind
Speaker 1: of pretty much. We're probably fifteen minutes away from each other,
Speaker 1: and we get together a few times beside a year.
Speaker 1: Besides ELK season. We do some podcasts. Sometimes we do
Speaker 1: just some you know, other cool video stuff. Today, I
Speaker 1: thought it would be great to bring Dusty on here
Speaker 1: and talk to you guys about our film that just launched.
Speaker 1: And I want to back up just a little bit
Speaker 1: just before we get too far. I'm kind of putting
Speaker 1: the cart before the horse. If you guys have don't
Speaker 1: know who Dusty is, if you didn't listen to our
Speaker 1: previous podcasts, there was a I don't know, we did
Speaker 1: him last summer about filming. You know, it's about cinematography
Speaker 1: and what it takes to get into it, what it
Speaker 1: takes to get the job done. What what makes good films?
Speaker 1: What doesn't make good films? You want to look that
Speaker 1: back up? It's a few episodes ago. I can't remember
Speaker 1: what the number fifty. Wow, you pulled that out of
Speaker 1: your sleeve like Ron Bergundy pulled the flute. Well played,
Speaker 1: well played. You probably have the link handwritten on your
Speaker 1: brand too, if you want to. Okay back, flash backlas htsh. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: Dusty for the last few years has followed me around
Speaker 1: during elk season, filming me making me look good as
Speaker 1: good as I can look. I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it looks good, but you know, other people probably
Speaker 1: think it's kind of mediocre. But anyhow, all kidding aside,
Speaker 1: Dusty has a great he's got a great eye for
Speaker 1: for film, and he's got a really good demeanor and
Speaker 1: personality to go film elk hunting and any other kind
Speaker 1: of hunting trips. He's one of those guys that just
Speaker 1: he doesn't complain. He we are out there in some
Speaker 1: really awkward, difficult situations in the woods where some people
Speaker 1: might want to say, screw this, We're going home. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Dusty, I'm like, how's it going? And
Speaker 1: he's just like, I'm good. I'm good, you know, no
Speaker 1: matter how much he's dying inside, he hides it. Well.
Speaker 1: Uh and then when I do my I call it
Speaker 1: my trailer park cuisine. I have. I make courmet meals
Speaker 1: at a very common everyday food that you know, not
Speaker 1: a lot of people may think is good. But Dusty
Speaker 1: always compliments me about my about my cuisine, you know.
Speaker 1: So he's not a picky eater. He will drink a
Speaker 1: cold beer from time to time with me, which is nice.
Speaker 1: And he said he's not scared of bears, and I
Speaker 1: have not seen him be scared of anything yet. So
Speaker 1: that's good. That's really good. Anyway. He owns and operates
Speaker 1: Depth of Field. Yeah, product Productions, owner, operator, head, bottle washer,
Speaker 1: you name, you do it all, you do it all, Dusty.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's edited quite a few films for
Speaker 1: us in the past, the last few. I've got to
Speaker 1: do that. But he's very talented. Big help. Anyway, thank
Speaker 1: you Dusty for coming on today. Welcome, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Derek.
Speaker 1: So I mentioned earlier we had a earlier that we
Speaker 1: had a film come out just recently on the Phelps
Speaker 1: Game Calls YouTube channel. And it's called Ghost Bowls of
Speaker 1: the North, and we didn't really designate the state what
Speaker 1: stated is. I guess it's probably one of those things.
Speaker 1: If you know, you know, and if you don't, you'll
Speaker 1: probably figure it out one way or another. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we're hunting in some northern boreal forests if you would,
Speaker 1: if you will, and they're very thick, they're very lush,
Speaker 1: lots of timber, lots of brush. The film is about
Speaker 1: an elk hunt. This was in twenty twenty two, right,
Speaker 1: it wasn't twenty twenty three. So in twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: we went out cutting in this place and you know,
Speaker 1: I think we had probably ten hours of just footage alone,
Speaker 1: you know, that would film throughout the days that we
Speaker 1: were hunting, and you have to trim that down to
Speaker 1: forty five minutes or approximately forty five minutes or less,
Speaker 1: you know, just to give it some watchability on YouTube,
Speaker 1: because if it gets too much longer than that, it's
Speaker 1: really hard to keep people's attention unless it's like non
Speaker 1: stop monster bugling bulls. And even then, sometimes I think,
Speaker 1: I know, I find myself watching videos and even after
Speaker 1: like a while, you know, you start losing start you
Speaker 1: start losing the audience a little bit, I think, even
Speaker 1: on something that's spectacular. So it was it was a
Speaker 1: tough hunt. We didn't have a lot of great video
Speaker 1: of big bulls coming in up close and bugling their
Speaker 1: head off, and you know, the things that all filmmakers
Speaker 1: dream of, But we kind of wanted to show the
Speaker 1: reality of what, you know, hunting in such a place
Speaker 1: like this. This is over the counter type unit public land.
Speaker 1: At one time in the nineties, this place was loaded
Speaker 1: with elk. Fast forward a few years to where wolves
Speaker 1: infiltrated the landscape and the numbers have just continued to
Speaker 1: decline and there's just not a lot of elk necessary.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a it's not a target rich environment,
Speaker 1: but it's one of those places that just kind of
Speaker 1: gets into your soul. You folks may may understand that.
Speaker 1: You know, you may have have some places that maybe
Speaker 1: you hunted with family, or you've spent time in the
Speaker 1: woods with family or friends, and it just kind of
Speaker 1: gets you have a special spot for that place and
Speaker 1: you want to go back every year, and no matter
Speaker 1: how how many times it lets you down, you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I really love that place. Because you have so
Speaker 1: many fond memories of it and anyway, that was kind
Speaker 1: of place we're at. And we got three call ins
Speaker 1: on video and we heard a few bulls during that
Speaker 1: that week, but we had three call ins and we
Speaker 1: kind of show you know, the raw and real of
Speaker 1: what it looks like, you know, trudging through the landscape.
Speaker 1: If if I had to have you give me a
Speaker 1: to describe in your own words, Dusty, what that landscape?
Speaker 1: I can sit here all day and tell people about it,
Speaker 1: but you know, from another person, because I'm kind of
Speaker 1: used to that place. I kind of spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time in those kind of places, those kind of areas,
Speaker 1: so I have my my my the way I see
Speaker 1: the world to describe it. But I'd like for you
Speaker 1: to describe it in your own words and then maybe
Speaker 1: compare and contrast to what kind of hunting in woods
Speaker 1: that you were had experienced before, maybe before you and
Speaker 1: you start following me around, maybe maybe you have some
Speaker 1: regrets in that regard of following after cony of these places.
Speaker 1: I don't know, tell me about it. What what do
Speaker 1: you think? What?
Speaker 2: Yeah? First, I would say it's beautiful. I think northern
Speaker 2: place where we were is uh was very beautiful.
Speaker 1: But very thick.
Speaker 2: Like you said, what I'm used to where I hunted
Speaker 2: a lot for bow hunting for elk is in Colorado,
Speaker 2: So as far as steepness goes, I was used to
Speaker 2: the steepness, but not the thickness. A lot of brush
Speaker 2: and getting within fifteen yards of a bull elk and
Speaker 2: still barely able to see them is quite a shocker.
Speaker 2: It's so different, and filming in that is even more difficult.
Speaker 2: So it almost seems crazy at times in the places
Speaker 2: that you and I have been in, it's like, what
Speaker 2: are we doing down in here?
Speaker 1: Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Just and then you're thinking if we get one of
Speaker 2: these big creatures, wow, how are we going to get
Speaker 2: this thing out of here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But it definitely is fun. I like it a
Speaker 2: lot because you can get so close to them, and
Speaker 2: you can move a lot more because of the thickness,
Speaker 2: and so you can get in close. We get those
Speaker 2: bugles fifteen yards away, which is just yeah, there's no
Speaker 2: there's no other sound like that, you know. So I
Speaker 2: love I love it even though it is crazy. But
Speaker 2: it also I would say it's very dangerous, especially when
Speaker 2: it's raining. Yeah, it's a dangerous place to be when
Speaker 2: it's wet, for sure. So that just puts an a
Speaker 2: whole other obstacle in the way when things get wet.
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it's there's a lot, it's a totally
Speaker 2: different way of thinking, a different way of hunting all
Speaker 2: of that. It's it's definitely different.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like to compare it to maybe like western Oregon,
Speaker 1: western Washington kind of to the rainforest areas. I will say,
Speaker 1: we're fortunate that we don't have all the briers. You know,
Speaker 1: they have Devil's Club, they have BlackBerry briars, they have
Speaker 1: a lot of like pokey things that want that want
Speaker 1: to kill you in comparison to what we have, I
Speaker 1: mean the stuff we have that is not super pokey.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no no thorns to speak of, but
Speaker 1: it's a tangled mess. You have huckleberry brush that can
Speaker 1: be you know, thought thigh high to ankle high, but
Speaker 1: most of it's at least waist deep, and you have
Speaker 1: some that's even chest deep. And then you have there's
Speaker 1: a lot of different kinds of brush, you know, and
Speaker 1: then you can get in these tag tag alder thickets
Speaker 1: where if you've ever seen tag alders. It's a deciduous
Speaker 1: type bush, but it grows downhill in a downward angle,
Speaker 1: and then they go grows downhill and then it kind
Speaker 1: of swoops up and one I don't know what you
Speaker 1: call it, if you'd call it a brand, they grow
Speaker 1: in big clusters, but one one stock, one brand, one
Speaker 1: little bush or tree all whatever you would call it.
Speaker 1: It could be twelve fifteen feet long. So it starts
Speaker 1: low to the ground and then kind of swoop goes
Speaker 1: for like five or ten feet, and then swoops up
Speaker 1: another four or five feet, and then it's a big cluster.
Speaker 1: So trying to penetrate some of that is is rough,
Speaker 1: so you kind of learn try not to go through
Speaker 1: those unless that's your only alternative. And a lot of times,
Speaker 1: you know, the deer and elk don't like to do
Speaker 1: it on a daily basis. Either a lot of times
Speaker 1: they'll have a little trail above it, or maybe there'll
Speaker 1: be one right through the middle where it kind of
Speaker 1: gets a little thinner. But usually find these places on
Speaker 1: those north facing slopes where there's a spring or some
Speaker 1: place where the snow will linger really long and it's
Speaker 1: a where the soil stays damp, those tag alders love
Speaker 1: wet ground. You have mountain maple, which elk love the
Speaker 1: leaves off the mountain maple or red stamp maple, and
Speaker 1: those can get pretty thick and pretty tall. And then
Speaker 1: there's this yellow brush. I don't even know what it
Speaker 1: called it. Some people call it buck brush. I call
Speaker 1: it just call it yellow brush because in the early
Speaker 1: September it's green, but as the frost hits it, it
Speaker 1: turns kind of a bright yellow throughout the fall into October,
Speaker 1: and if you're lucky, you can get a little snow
Speaker 1: on it in late October and all the leaves will
Speaker 1: fall off, and then it's like you can see right
Speaker 1: through it, but you can't hardly shoot through it with
Speaker 1: a three thirty eight wind mag it's still the branches
Speaker 1: are so thick, so and then it's pretty vertical too,
Speaker 1: so right, there's a lot of this vertical stuff to
Speaker 1: wade through. Now, you talked about the dangers. It can
Speaker 1: be dangerous when it rains. What what what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Are you talking about slip and fall? Are
Speaker 1: you talking about hypothermia? Are you talking about kind of
Speaker 1: all the above? Right?
Speaker 2: It could be all of the above. I mean you
Speaker 2: get wet. Within two feet of walking through that stuff,
Speaker 2: you're pretty much drenched in water, so that can be bad. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, just slipping, like you said, those older
Speaker 2: berry bushes or is that what they're called older, older brush?
Speaker 1: Older brush? You're thinking of older elderberries old they have
Speaker 1: those sometimes too, and and and the berries are dark purple,
Speaker 1: and you can make wine out of them. And if
Speaker 1: you want to play a trick on your buddy, say, oh,
Speaker 1: these are delicious. It tastes just like blueberries, and act
Speaker 1: like you eat some because they're bitter as gall I
Speaker 1: mean they're yeah, so yes, wait, have I dang it?
Speaker 1: Maybe I just screwed up. I probably should have waited
Speaker 1: and fooled you before I told that little little funny
Speaker 1: that I got. My son Austin pretty good with that
Speaker 1: a couple of times. That's funny anyway.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, so very very slippery
Speaker 2: stepping on those in the in the bear brush. There
Speaker 2: is stuff that's stuff whoa, yeah, I mean you fall
Speaker 2: so fast, I mean there sometimes you just fall. You
Speaker 2: don't even know you fell.
Speaker 1: You just look up and you're like, yeah, exactly, my
Speaker 1: knee hurts.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so very, very scary at times walking through
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: So and one thing, it's hard to navigate in the arc.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's like you know you've found you you
Speaker 1: fight your way through the brush down to the bottom
Speaker 1: of this canyon, and you hunt it till dark and
Speaker 1: now you gotta Now you gotta hike out in the dark. Well,
Speaker 1: a standard headlamp illuminates the brush that's about a foot
Speaker 1: or two in front of your face, so then you
Speaker 1: can't see the ground beneath you, so you get you're
Speaker 1: kind of blinded by all these leaves, so then you're
Speaker 1: kind of stumbling around. So I've always made a practice
Speaker 1: of having a headlamp and a handheld flashlight because then
Speaker 1: I can take my handheld flashlight, hold it below my
Speaker 1: waist and scan the ground with it to make sure
Speaker 1: I'm not stepping in a hole or stepping on a
Speaker 1: slick log or on a slick something. Blowdowns, I mean,
Speaker 1: blowdowns are terrible there too. Yeah. Yeah, it's a wonderful place.
Speaker 1: It's it is, it's magical. So what kind of what
Speaker 1: kind of obstacles does that create for someone trying to
Speaker 1: film a hunt that kind of conditions, whether it's not
Speaker 1: wet or whether it's dry. You know, whether it's wet
Speaker 1: or dry.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the obstacle would be, you know, if the
Speaker 2: bowl is coming in, just trying to see the bowl,
Speaker 2: trying to get it on camera right. That's very difficult
Speaker 2: at times because sometimes sometimes I don't even know where
Speaker 2: he's at because I can't see him, but I know
Speaker 2: the direction he is because I can hear him, right,
Speaker 2: So I'll just try to focus in that area and
Speaker 2: zoom in over there and hope that it grabs something,
Speaker 2: an antler, something picks it up, even though my own
Speaker 2: eyes can't even see through that stuff. So that that
Speaker 2: is definitely very difficult and very hard. And then of
Speaker 2: course with all the falling and stuff, that's that's its
Speaker 2: own own thing. You know, you're carrying thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: worth of gear in your hand and trying not to
Speaker 2: fall or get the lens scratched up or you know
Speaker 2: any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a different place. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: know that. Like Also, to keep one thing to keep
Speaker 1: in mind, once it rains, Yeah, the brush stays wet.
Speaker 1: Un Let's say it rains one day and then it
Speaker 1: turns off beautiful. The next. The brush stays wet for
Speaker 1: a couple of days, and so it's like day two
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, it's it's probably not gonna be
Speaker 1: too bad, but it's still a slippery mess. It's still
Speaker 1: you're soaked to the bone. Yeah, thirty yards from the truck,
Speaker 1: from the waist down or even like from your armpits down.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a it's definitely a nuue place. And
Speaker 1: you know, trying to keep your your your lens, the
Speaker 1: water droplets off the lens. That's that's a full time job.
Speaker 1: It seems like even on a pretty nice day, there's
Speaker 1: always a little drop of water that's gonna get on there,
Speaker 1: it seems, unless it's just hot and dry, you know, right.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And that definitely makes it more difficult, especially
Speaker 2: when it's super wet, because then eventually the the little
Speaker 2: rag that you use to wipe your lens that eventually
Speaker 2: gets wet, you know, soaked, and then you're just smearing
Speaker 2: wet all over your lens. It's not even coming off right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's definitely another obstacle.
Speaker 1: So typically when it's actively raining, we don't typically get
Speaker 1: out and run through the brush too much. We're not
Speaker 1: trying to hunt it in the rain. Well, I am
Speaker 1: kind of a fair weather hunter. I'm going to bed.
Speaker 1: I don't like waiting through that stuff when it's coming,
Speaker 1: when it's coming from the bottom and the top. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to rain on your head and coming through
Speaker 1: your your your pants and everything. And you can wear
Speaker 1: you know, rain gear, but even then it's tough. It's
Speaker 1: tough because then if you may overheat in your angeer,
Speaker 1: so then you get wet from sweat. So it's not
Speaker 1: super comfortable just because it's so difficult walk through that brush.
Speaker 1: But so typically if it's raining pretty good, we will
Speaker 1: not hunt during that time. We don't want to ruin
Speaker 1: the camera equipment because you know, as good as it is,
Speaker 1: you can't go out there and get it wet and
Speaker 1: then now your camera's messed up. And well we were
Speaker 1: going to film this hunt and it's going to be
Speaker 1: nice tomorrow, and well we ruined our camera. Great, So
Speaker 1: we kind of try to pick our battles with all
Speaker 1: that in mind, as much as how beautiful and it is,
Speaker 1: and then you talk about how crazy all this other
Speaker 1: stuff is. What did I tell you about? Halfway through
Speaker 1: that hunt? I said, Dusty. If I ever say I
Speaker 1: want to come hunting up here, I want you to
Speaker 1: look me dead and say you fool? Yes, what's wrong
Speaker 1: with you? Are you crazy? You're never going hunting there?
Speaker 1: I mean I need I need the voice of reason
Speaker 1: to kind of snap me back into reality, because I
Speaker 1: do get these I get this euphoria of like old romanticism,
Speaker 1: of like, oh it's going to be great, it's so pretty,
Speaker 1: and I've had success and and and then I start
Speaker 1: like then reality starts slapping in the face, like there's
Speaker 1: no spot in stock hunting here. If the elk don't bugle,
Speaker 1: you're spun out. And with the elk being few and
Speaker 1: far between, you know, you can go for a couple
Speaker 1: three days without hearing anything. So I'm telling you this,
Speaker 1: what what what did you think about that? Did you?
Speaker 1: Did you tell me that during the hunt? You know,
Speaker 1: every time I start getting that old time feeling.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, after that once you as soon as
Speaker 2: you would hear a bull right then you'd start thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: this is this is the greatest place ever, right, all
Speaker 2: the installs that start coming back, and I'd have to
Speaker 2: yell at you, you know, yeah, I'd have to call
Speaker 2: you a fool.
Speaker 1: Reality check. It's kind of like that meme, you know that,
Speaker 1: Like every time I'd hear it elp bugle, or i'd
Speaker 1: see a gigantic rub or something. Then it's like you
Speaker 1: start seeing all the equations like floating around in my head.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, next year, I can come down here,
Speaker 1: I can put a salt like here, I could probably
Speaker 1: take a machete and hack a trail in and I
Speaker 1: could do this, that and the other thing. And I'd
Speaker 1: start telling Dusty this, and what would you say.
Speaker 2: I would call you a fool, you're fool that I'd
Speaker 2: have to remind you of what it's like that you're
Speaker 2: comparing this to like a crazy ex girlfriend, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know we've all had that crazy ex girlfriend that
Speaker 2: you break up with them, you feel okay, I'm never
Speaker 2: I'm glad that's over with. Then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you see her again. Then you think, well, maybe she
Speaker 2: wasn't as bad as I thought, and start talking to
Speaker 2: her again and start engaging again, and it never ends.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the same things and heartbreak time every time. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like old ma Nature starts shaking her heinie and
Speaker 1: and you're like Dirk, come on, now, come on, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like take talking your buddy down from
Speaker 1: a ledge.
Speaker 2: You got to have that good friend that's gonna Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's the kind of place it is. And it's
Speaker 1: a love hate relationship, definitely. I love it because of
Speaker 1: the nostalgia. It reminds me of of good times with
Speaker 1: good friends and family and and and the backdrop is beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's pretty unparalleled to a lot of other places we've been.
Speaker 1: It's just a very beautiful place. But yeah, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a tough place to to tag
Speaker 1: a bowl. It's it can be, it can happen, but
Speaker 1: everything's got to go just try, you know. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that's where the film takes place. I don't want to
Speaker 1: I don't want to give too much away to to
Speaker 1: our listeners. I want them to go check it out.
Speaker 1: It's on the Phelps Game Calls channel. It's called Ghost
Speaker 1: Bowls of the North. Got kind of a cool little
Speaker 1: thumbnail of a ghost bowl on the front. And yeah,
Speaker 1: check it out. It's about forty five minutes. If you
Speaker 1: like it, comment below, tell us you know, what do
Speaker 1: you think? What do you think we did. We you know,
Speaker 1: we we got Sir David Attenborough to do some voiceover
Speaker 1: for us. You know, you know, I didn't know if
Speaker 1: we could pull it off, but he did. It's a
Speaker 1: great yeah, and it's a little bit. He got a
Speaker 1: little different twist than our normal elk hunting films. But
Speaker 1: we've had tons of really good feedback so far. So
Speaker 1: go watch it if you like it, comment if you
Speaker 1: didn't like it, let me know. It seems like there's
Speaker 1: always that one person that comments and says the music's stupid,
Speaker 1: Like I don't like the music. They'll they'll have some
Speaker 1: little jab you know, about the music, and we haven't
Speaker 1: got that yet. But but I was, I was kind
Speaker 1: of poked back a little bit. I'm like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna give them a negative feedback, please let us
Speaker 1: know what you didn't like about it. Was it too loud?
Speaker 1: Was it too often? Was it the genre? Was it?
Speaker 1: What didn't you like about the music? So if you
Speaker 1: don't like the music, let me know. If you love
Speaker 1: the music, let us know that too, because, believe it
Speaker 1: or not, we're trying to refine these films as good
Speaker 1: as we can. We want the next one to be better,
Speaker 1: and the next one to be better, and the next
Speaker 1: one to be better. So for the editors, I edited
Speaker 1: this one for the filmer Dusty, you know, getting the shots.
Speaker 1: We're always just trying to refine and make this as
Speaker 1: good as it possibly can. So and the bad part
Speaker 1: is we can't show you everything that happened, so it
Speaker 1: gives a little more context of why we do and
Speaker 1: kind of I guess we could have voiced over certain
Speaker 1: sections and kind of told you why things kind of
Speaker 1: play out, But sometimes I feel like that voiceover can
Speaker 1: be a little distracting too. It's like I kind of
Speaker 1: like to just immerse myself and watching things unfold. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, let us know if you like the
Speaker 1: voiceover telling you, you know, step by step what's going on,
Speaker 1: or maybe maybe you don't like that, maybe you just
Speaker 1: like to watch an unfold and figure it out in
Speaker 1: your head. But we will kind of go over some
Speaker 1: stuff since we didn't do any voiceover on there, and
Speaker 1: kind of let you know what happened during the hunt
Speaker 1: here in a minute. But first, less shift gears and
Speaker 1: I just want to say, as always, if you guys
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Speaker 1: and well we'll address that or answer your question best
Speaker 1: we can. So moving on, so tips and tactics on
Speaker 1: the the three bowl scenarios that we had in the film,
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to talk about and kind of
Speaker 1: break down the bowl number one. The first bull that
Speaker 1: we had an encounter with a good buddy of mine
Speaker 1: was camping up there. Him and his son had heard
Speaker 1: that bowl the day before and bugling, and him and
Speaker 1: his u son kind of walked over the hill there
Speaker 1: and kind of bugled at him a little bit, and
Speaker 1: he's like, man, need to tell Dirk about that. So
Speaker 1: he told me and we were kind of spun out
Speaker 1: where we were not having much luck. So we went
Speaker 1: over there and found the bowl right away. And you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of folks out there
Speaker 1: in the elk calling education world. They maybe they have
Speaker 1: a silver bullet, you know, you do this, you make
Speaker 1: this certain call every time, and they'll just make the
Speaker 1: bulls come in, you know, whether that's a bugle or
Speaker 1: a certain cow call, or a Estris buzz or what
Speaker 1: have you. You know, there's a lot of phrases and
Speaker 1: names of these different calls that kind of been thrown around.
Speaker 1: But I've always been kind of a different of a
Speaker 1: different mindset. I feel like I'm always kind of like
Speaker 1: the student of the game. I'm always trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out. I spend a lot of time elk calling
Speaker 1: every year, and for the last thirty five years, I've
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in the Elk woods. And
Speaker 1: one thing I've found for me is I haven't found
Speaker 1: that one perfect call that does it all. I feel
Speaker 1: like I kind of go into it as an experiment
Speaker 1: every time. I'm having an experiment on what that bowl
Speaker 1: is going to react to. And some bulls react well
Speaker 1: to like a really high pitched A lot of bulls
Speaker 1: react really well to a really high pitched bugle. Some don't.
Speaker 1: Some react well if you do a lot of chuckling
Speaker 1: or grunting. Some react really well with cow calls, and
Speaker 1: they don't want to answer bugles, but the lancer cow calls.
Speaker 1: So what I'm doing is I'm trying to find out
Speaker 1: I'm in the When I first start calling to a bowl,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what he wants to reply to.
Speaker 1: So I'll try three different bugles right off the beginning.
Speaker 1: Beginning as I call to him, you know, at any sense,
Speaker 1: you know, whether I know Elk is there or not,
Speaker 1: I'll do three three different bugles. My first one is
Speaker 1: just a long high note locator type bugle, very non aggressive,
Speaker 1: just a hey, you do you know I'm over here, guys,
Speaker 1: you know, just a non threatening hey, everybody, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: Elk come over here. The next one, I ramp it
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I escalate a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I give a full bugle from the low note to
Speaker 1: the high note to the low note, and I'll throw
Speaker 1: in like three or four chuckles or crunts. But they're
Speaker 1: not gonna be aggressive, just it's it's just I've taken
Speaker 1: it up a notch and I wait, you know, so
Speaker 1: after the first bugle, we may wait five minutes. Second bugle,
Speaker 1: wait another five minutes. And the third bugle I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do is gonna be the biggest, meanest, nastiest lip ball
Speaker 1: bugle with thunderous ground shaking grunts at the end. And
Speaker 1: a lipball bugle if you're not familiar, that's when you
Speaker 1: buzz your lips on your tube to make that real
Speaker 1: guttural bas owl sound and then it goes to a
Speaker 1: really high note and then it comes back off and
Speaker 1: then lots of big thunderous grunts. And if I don't
Speaker 1: usually hear anything from those three bugles, we move on. Also,
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot to say this between those bugles,
Speaker 1: and I may even just start out with this before
Speaker 1: I make any other vocalization. I will make a cow call,
Speaker 1: two three very quiet light call calls to begin with,
Speaker 1: because especially in that thick country, you don't know if
Speaker 1: there's an elk fifty sixty yards for me, right that
Speaker 1: one time we got out of the truck and bugled
Speaker 1: and there was a bull that answered, what sixty yards
Speaker 1: just right out of sight, and we almost killed that sucker.
Speaker 1: This was when I had my mouth tab. I shoot
Speaker 1: my mouth tab, and if i'd have been shooting a
Speaker 1: normal bow, I'd have killed that sucker dead to rights
Speaker 1: because we're in that thing forests, and then there were
Speaker 1: some branches. I could have shot through between the branches
Speaker 1: with a little bit of squatting in my in my stance,
Speaker 1: but to squat and pull it back, pull the bow
Speaker 1: back with the mouth tab, with your teeth, and it
Speaker 1: was just I couldn't do it. I couldn't make the shot,
Speaker 1: so I didn't do it. But I mean, we were
Speaker 1: really close, so you just never know. So start out
Speaker 1: with a really quiet call from the beginning, just to
Speaker 1: make sure you don't have one right right there. Then
Speaker 1: your next calls, my next cow calls, I'm going to escally.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make them really loud to where if like
Speaker 1: we're at the edge of a big canyon, I want
Speaker 1: those calls to reach across several hundred yards to an animal,
Speaker 1: to a bowl that's over there to get a reply.
Speaker 1: And if I don't hear nothing, then that's when I
Speaker 1: do that first located bugle. Anyhow, when we got that
Speaker 1: bolt answer the first time, he answered one of my
Speaker 1: locator bugles, I don't I don't even know if I
Speaker 1: even chuckled. I can't remember a drunded you'll see on
Speaker 1: the video. But as we as we once we kind
Speaker 1: of pinpointed where he was at, we hiked in on him,
Speaker 1: and as we kind of got closer, we got about
Speaker 1: halfway to him, and it hits a jungle. So I
Speaker 1: had to I had to call again and kind of
Speaker 1: try to all right, let's get our navigation or get
Speaker 1: our bearings. Here where's he at? And I called it
Speaker 1: a couple times and I had did like big full bugles,
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't answer any won't answer, and then he
Speaker 1: kind of and then fight cow called a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I remember he kind of did kind of a
Speaker 1: mony type bugle, and I thought, well, maybe I'll do
Speaker 1: a mony type bugle, so I gave kind of a
Speaker 1: mony bugle. Bam. He answered, I'm like, okay, he likes
Speaker 1: the mony bugles, but he don't like those high pitched
Speaker 1: aggressive bugles at all. So as you watch the film unfold,
Speaker 1: you'll notice I'm not really doing too much of that
Speaker 1: real high pitch bugle on I do kind of a
Speaker 1: grunt or a bark at the beginning, and then I
Speaker 1: give kind of a low mony bugle, and that kind
Speaker 1: of kept us in the game with him and kept
Speaker 1: him talking, and he kind of stood he stood his ground,
Speaker 1: so we got up there, got real close to him.
Speaker 1: Finally he comes out and we can kind of see him,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of disappears. I'm like, okay, typically
Speaker 1: when those bulls are that close and he's and he's
Speaker 1: coming your way. Next time he bugles, and when he
Speaker 1: bugled again, it was seemed very a little more aggressive.
Speaker 1: So I thought, okay, it's time for me to escalate.
Speaker 1: So I escalated a little bit. So I gave him
Speaker 1: a little more than a than a than a moany bugle.
Speaker 1: He didn't like it away when so he kind of
Speaker 1: pursue him a little bit, and I'd given him I
Speaker 1: think a couple three of those big high pitched bugles
Speaker 1: and maybe some crunts. He didn't like it, and then
Speaker 1: I went back to the mony bugles, and at that
Speaker 1: point the jig was up. So I think the takeaway
Speaker 1: on that is, you know, don't don't escalate too soon,
Speaker 1: especially if you get that feeling. I had kind of
Speaker 1: the gut feeling that he wasn't aggressive bull anyway, and
Speaker 1: I should have kind of stuck with my my gut
Speaker 1: on the thing. I should have just like, well, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna just play this with kid gloves the whole time.
Speaker 1: But I you know, sometimes you get a little excited
Speaker 1: and and I think I turned half elk anyway, when
Speaker 1: I get in close like that, I want a bugle.
Speaker 1: I want to want to fight. I want to fight
Speaker 1: you man. And so I think my excitement might have
Speaker 1: got the best of me too. So if I had
Speaker 1: to play that over again, I definitely would have maybe
Speaker 1: stuck with the money bugles right up to you know,
Speaker 1: that's all that's all you get. That's that's where I live,
Speaker 1: that's where I make, and that's what he likes. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to intimidate him, and I want him
Speaker 1: to because I think he came in out of curiosity
Speaker 1: more than anger. He was. He raked a little bit,
Speaker 1: but he didn't He never escalated with his voice. He
Speaker 1: never got really mad. And a lot of times they'll
Speaker 1: rake for a little bit and then they'll escalate their
Speaker 1: calls and prety sing the bull will make a bugle
Speaker 1: that it's undoubtedly he means business. He's upset, and I
Speaker 1: always got like, oh he's mad. And usually after they
Speaker 1: make a bugle like that and I cut them off
Speaker 1: with my own bugle similar similar status. Then person here
Speaker 1: he comes. But he never gave that bugle, so I
Speaker 1: think he was more curious than anything. So then we
Speaker 1: had the long walk out of there, and that place
Speaker 1: was a crap hole, wasn't There was blowdowns on blowdowns.
Speaker 1: There'd been like a microburst and part of that place
Speaker 1: and you didn't get to see it all on the video,
Speaker 1: but there was down timber and brush and it was wet,
Speaker 1: and I think I made note to Dusty. I told
Speaker 1: him at one point, I was like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we didn't get that out is we'd
Speaker 1: have had a heck of a time getting out of there.
Speaker 1: It wasn't super steep, it was it was kind of rolling.
Speaker 1: There were some steep spots, but it was so difficult
Speaker 1: to just walk on semi flat ground. It would have
Speaker 1: been bad with one hundred pounds on our back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we would have done it, though, Oh yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have been I would have happily done it, and that
Speaker 1: after being done, we'd have been like, let's get out
Speaker 1: of here and never come back. So the bowl number
Speaker 1: two we heard from a long distance away, and Dusty
Speaker 1: he thought he only heard one. I swore I heard too.
Speaker 1: I said, I heard it just a kind of a
Speaker 1: whimpy bowl and I heard a grolly bowl. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. Dusty cant of looked at me, but and
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't remember hearing a grally bul.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I swear I heard it. And then we
Speaker 1: we bugled from across his big drainage. So then we
Speaker 1: got over on the same side they were on, took
Speaker 1: this old trail, hiked in on him. We bugled from
Speaker 1: the trail. We heard a bugle, and I swear I
Speaker 1: heard a growly just oh down in there. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that's you heard it. He's just like, okay, Derek,
Speaker 1: whatever you know. I think he does that a lot.
Speaker 1: He just like, you know, yes, yes, Dirk, whatever you say, Dirk.
Speaker 1: He just like tries to, like, you know, nod, just
Speaker 1: like okay, whatever you think. Maybe I come up with
Speaker 1: this stuff in my own head. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: Whatever keeps you going yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think he does kind of look at
Speaker 1: me with funny, like a funny look in his face
Speaker 1: when I tell i'm we're going to go down there,
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, yeah, I mean that. Maybe he
Speaker 1: don't complain, but I think maybe the voice of reason
Speaker 1: is trying to come through his eyes at me, like like,
Speaker 1: look at me in the eye and understand this is
Speaker 1: stupid to go down in there, because that place we
Speaker 1: went after that second bowl, it's one of the brushiest
Speaker 1: places we've ever been in. The next drainage over a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, we went down in that same
Speaker 1: same type of stuff, and at that point we kind
Speaker 1: of said the same things, like this is the worst
Speaker 1: place we've ever been in. This place was worse than that,
Speaker 1: because from top to bottom it was bad. And we
Speaker 1: get in there and this bowl would bugle kind of
Speaker 1: off and on, and by the sounds of him, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, eh, he don't sound like a big bowl.
Speaker 1: He just kind of sounds like a raghorn five point.
Speaker 1: But big bulls can sound wimpy until they turn it
Speaker 1: up a notch too. So there's always that little carrot
Speaker 1: the dangles out in front of your head. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: this thing may he may just be a giant playing
Speaker 1: possum a little bit. So we got to go and
Speaker 1: plus I swear, Dusty, I swear I heard a big
Speaker 1: growler down here.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 1: So we get down in there and he's he bugles
Speaker 1: just enough to keep us interested. Like, so we get
Speaker 1: down in there, and then the wind get a little
Speaker 1: got a little wonky, so like, all right, let's sit
Speaker 1: down and take a break. So we sat there for
Speaker 1: an hour or something, had a little snacky snack and
Speaker 1: I don't know, we might even took a nap. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And once the
Speaker 1: kind of the wind started coming up hill to us,
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, let's make our move. So then
Speaker 1: we took in after him again and we get over
Speaker 1: on the same ridge he's on, and he just just
Speaker 1: taunts us, just like he. We get one hundred yards
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, this is no time to work
Speaker 1: my magic, and then he would just move off. So
Speaker 1: then it's almost like leapfrog. We'd move up to where
Speaker 1: he was standing from the last time he bugled, and
Speaker 1: then he would be just one hundred yards further, so
Speaker 1: which this is. This is typical elk behavior, right, And
Speaker 1: he kind of liked those mony bugles too, so you'll
Speaker 1: see in the video I'm giving him those kind of
Speaker 1: mony bugles. I'm not giving him those beautiful prize winning
Speaker 1: bugles that everybody likes to do. And hear right, these
Speaker 1: are just these crappy mony bugles. It's like a pre
Speaker 1: pre pubescent boy trying to trying to talk or something,
Speaker 1: and you know that kept kind of kept him talking.
Speaker 1: And then a couple times, once we got up on
Speaker 1: top of that ridge, I thought, I think we'll put
Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure on him and he's gonna
Speaker 1: come in. He kind of start escalating a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this is gonna be good. We're just
Speaker 1: we're we got good wind. It's it's very advantageous for
Speaker 1: the bull to come in this spot, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to come in close to see us. We can
Speaker 1: set up, we can call. So I escalated a little
Speaker 1: bit and he just kept on moving off when and
Speaker 1: I thought, all right, we're gonna step on this thing.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I take the aggressive just a little. The
Speaker 1: next step up, it's like I'm just gonna not maybe
Speaker 1: call as much, but I'm just gonna start walking right
Speaker 1: to where I think he is. So we just start
Speaker 1: walking and start hoofing it, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: those things will shut up and then it'll just stand
Speaker 1: there and wait for you to walk up, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there he is. Jig's up. Well, that stupid thing wouldn't
Speaker 1: even stand these ground long enough to even catch us,
Speaker 1: you know, try to catch us sneaking in or walking
Speaker 1: in on him. So he was clearly intimidated. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to fight, and he just kept moving off. So
Speaker 1: at that point, I think we ran into like a
Speaker 1: couple of bold moose, a couple, but a most one
Speaker 1: was a giant, probably a boon and crocket shyris moose.
Speaker 1: The other one was a little thinking one, like a
Speaker 1: thirty inch er, and the other one was a big
Speaker 1: haws And you filmed and tried to film them like it.
Speaker 1: There again, we talked about film and stuff. You think
Speaker 1: I think I got it right now? Yeah, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm just canvas in like the film. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: got to show these moose and and they're black and
Speaker 1: they're really hard. They don't stand out in the video
Speaker 1: at all, so.
Speaker 2: A big moose like that, and you still can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing's like a horse standing there. They're so tall,
Speaker 1: and like, how do you not? How can you not? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we sat down for a while and just kind
Speaker 1: of let things calm down. Get a snack, another snack,
Speaker 1: you know, we take lots of snacks. We got to
Speaker 1: keep our energy up for you know, I'm about to
Speaker 1: blow away in the wind. I got a lightweight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to keep my metagolism up, you know. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've got a car blowed. Hey. We eat healthy snacks though,
Speaker 1: fruit leathers and protein jerkys and nossages and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That sounds good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could have broke open some jerky and then everybody
Speaker 1: had heard us some smack in our lips. Yeah. But anyhow,
Speaker 1: so after we kind of let things go quiet for
Speaker 1: a while, I like to do this thing where and
Speaker 1: I've kind of done this in the last few years
Speaker 1: a lot where the bugling has kind of gone stale. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll just find a good spot where the wind is
Speaker 1: good and we have a good vantage point to where
Speaker 1: we can hear a lot of different directions, and we
Speaker 1: just sit in that one spot and just call, and
Speaker 1: we just start calling sparingly in the beginning, just a
Speaker 1: few cow calls, and then after a while introduce a bugle.
Speaker 1: It's almost like cold calling, right. And as let's say,
Speaker 1: we do this for thirty minutes, and as as we
Speaker 1: get closer to that thirty minute mark, you know, we're
Speaker 1: constantly escalating. By the time we get to the thirty
Speaker 1: minute mark, I'm cow calling, and I'm bugling almost every breath, right,
Speaker 1: and maybe I get up and run around or throw
Speaker 1: some sticks around or roll rocks down the hill. I
Speaker 1: want to paint this picture that there is a cow
Speaker 1: and heat. There's some kind of a rut fast melee
Speaker 1: going on up here, and a lot of times during
Speaker 1: that sometimes you'll hear a bugle, but more times than not.
Speaker 1: Once once you kind of quit doing that, and then
Speaker 1: you just you turn it off. Thirty minute mark. Shut
Speaker 1: it off, Sit down, be quiet, shut up, put your
Speaker 1: head on a swivel, and you after about ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, pretty soon you'll hear You'll hear a bowl
Speaker 1: about as far way sometimes you can hear him, and
Speaker 1: pretty soon closer, pretty soon closer. Well, we did that,
Speaker 1: and we didn't hear squawk. You're bugling over to that
Speaker 1: next big that next big canyon where that growler was
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And evidently he didn't get the memo
Speaker 1: he's supposed to participate when he hears that sound. And
Speaker 1: so after sitting there for I don't know, probably in
Speaker 1: an hour, then we're just okay, nothing's happening. And that
Speaker 1: bowl we've been chasing all morning, he shut up to you.
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, let's get out of here. So
Speaker 1: then you have to do that terrible walk of shame
Speaker 1: out of there, and it's you know he talked about
Speaker 1: it before. It's brushy and steep and yucky, and it's hot,
Speaker 1: and by that time, you know, of course it's it's
Speaker 1: warmed up. And now we have the sun on the hillside,
Speaker 1: wearing too many clothes, and yeah, it's it's it's fun.
Speaker 1: It built character is what it does. You know, It's
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for all the beautiful fall colors, you know,
Speaker 1: you may not you know, appreciate it as much. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: that was kind of the strategy on that bowl, is
Speaker 1: like try not to work him up too hard, too quick,
Speaker 1: just kind of not be super aggressive until it became advantageous.
Speaker 1: We got out of that thick brushold he did. I
Speaker 1: guess I'll back up. He did come into probably ten
Speaker 1: yards fifteen yards maybe I seen antler tips, but he
Speaker 1: kind of came in quiet and I heard him rub it,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh, Dusty, And then I went
Speaker 1: and I called and he didn't come out, and like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move up. So we moved up there
Speaker 1: and we were I don't know, ten yards maybe, and
Speaker 1: I seen an antler tip. I don't think Dusty could
Speaker 1: see it. Just from where I was standing. I kind
Speaker 1: of see it looked like maybe a five point just
Speaker 1: by the splits on his on his antlers. And then
Speaker 1: he moved off, of course, and then we you know,
Speaker 1: followed suit after that. But yeah, it's my advice, is
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to give up too quick.
Speaker 1: We could have like when he moved off, then maybe
Speaker 1: the smart play that would have been all right, let's
Speaker 1: pack it up, gets get out of here and go
Speaker 1: find one that does want to play better. But there's
Speaker 1: been times where if you just give him that little nudge,
Speaker 1: pretty soon it's curiosity gets the best of them, or
Speaker 1: maybe you fool him into getting mad. You know, it's
Speaker 1: almost like on the playground when there's a kid you
Speaker 1: want to start a fight with and you just to
Speaker 1: start poking them a little bit and poking them, just
Speaker 1: these little nudges, and finally you just you break that barriers, like,
Speaker 1: all right, I've had enough. And I was kind of
Speaker 1: hoping we would get that. But yeah, he that guy
Speaker 1: was a rock. He was an oak. He wasn't oak.
Speaker 1: He was an oak. He wasn't going to lose his temper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he he probably listens to a lot of JOCKO will link,
Speaker 1: you know, and not loosen to his temper. You know,
Speaker 1: he goes the enemy, right guys, you know, and he knew.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not that tough. I don't need to fight.
Speaker 1: I got nothing to prove here, exactly Good the elk
Speaker 1: doesn't want to fight. Good. Good, find another one. And
Speaker 1: then the third bowl that we got on, well, one
Speaker 1: thing I will mention is this hunt. We mid hunt.
Speaker 1: I got news from home that my wife Jessica was
Speaker 1: in the hospital. She has appendicitis, and I'm like, oh, pendicitis.
Speaker 1: I know people that had that. That's that's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, they just do a couple of
Speaker 1: little poke incisions and they fix you up and you're
Speaker 1: out and it's not a big deal. I know two
Speaker 1: or three people they act like, no, it's nothing. They
Speaker 1: were back to work within a day. Well, no, she
Speaker 1: had to get a major surgery. They had to cut
Speaker 1: her way open, they had to they had to dig in,
Speaker 1: had to remove someonetestine, they had to like kind of
Speaker 1: stitch it back together. It was a very very major
Speaker 1: oldeal and we had to cut the hunt short. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: we got we got one more half day to hunt.
Speaker 1: We can hunt till noon, and then we got to
Speaker 1: get out of here. So because she didn't you know,
Speaker 1: my my, my wipe, my my kids were down there,
Speaker 1: and then her friends were there. But I needed to
Speaker 1: get back home, you know, as quick as they could.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, after this hunt, this this
Speaker 1: half day, we got to get home. So the night
Speaker 1: before that half day, we'd we'd we'd called down into
Speaker 1: this really steep, nasty, like almost vertical, like you could
Speaker 1: see eight hundred vertical feet straight down and you could
Speaker 1: have probably thrown a baseball straight out, you know, to
Speaker 1: hit the bottom. I was like it was that vertical
Speaker 1: and across the draw on the other hill side of
Speaker 1: bowl answers, and as a five point he started coming
Speaker 1: out crossed and start he was going to climb that hill.
Speaker 1: To us, I'm like, oh, if that sucker climbed this hill,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot him right here. But there again, we
Speaker 1: didn't get anything good on video because it's he was
Speaker 1: a long ways away and we don't have all these
Speaker 1: big telescopic lenses because we're in brush country, USA, so
Speaker 1: we don't have these big zoom lenses to zoom in
Speaker 1: and see the bulls. So there wasn't really much to
Speaker 1: show there, so we left that part out. But so
Speaker 1: the next morning we have this half day, I'm like,
Speaker 1: we got to get back in there. That thing was
Speaker 1: pretty hot. We'll just slip over there and get him
Speaker 1: to talk and we'll pinpoint him and then we'll go
Speaker 1: down that ridge, walk down there, shoot him, pack him out.
Speaker 1: It's not that far outpack We'll be out of here
Speaker 1: at noon, easy, easy. Well, the next morning we get there,
Speaker 1: that bull would not make a peep. I think he
Speaker 1: smelled us that night. I think he must have smelled
Speaker 1: us or something, and he you know, fooled me once.
Speaker 1: You know, he ain't gonna be fooled twice or smart.
Speaker 1: So we stood there for quite a while calling, and
Speaker 1: then I pulled out my my external call, the external
Speaker 1: open read cow call. And I always say those things
Speaker 1: like ten percent of the time. They work every time,
Speaker 1: and I start blowing on it. My brother always makes
Speaker 1: fun of me. He's like, God, that thing does not
Speaker 1: sound like an elk. That sounds terrible. It sounds like
Speaker 1: a weird bird or something like. I know, but sometimes
Speaker 1: bowls like it. For whatever reason, maybe I sound like
Speaker 1: old Mary Lou from last year. You know Mary Lou.
Speaker 1: She's pretty crazy ex girlfriend see crazy girlfriends sometimes. Actually
Speaker 1: she wants child support. But anyway, I started, I blew
Speaker 1: on that thing, and baham, we got an answer. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, Dusty, that's a big that's a big bowl.
Speaker 1: That's not that little one. So we make a quick plan.
Speaker 1: We throw our packs on, hike out this ridge. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just right on that ridge. Can he sounds like
Speaker 1: he's just right over the roll of that ridge. We
Speaker 1: get down there, we set up, we start calling nothing
Speaker 1: like man, he's just like gotta be right here. Nothing didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't bugle anymore. I'm like, man, well, we've walked
Speaker 1: this far, let's walk a little bit further and bugle
Speaker 1: over this next little backside of this little ridge here
Speaker 1: and see if we can get a little better bird's
Speaker 1: eye on him. So we get over there, boom, he
Speaker 1: answers he's not on the ridge we're on. He's across
Speaker 1: this big drainage on the other side of this canyon. Well,
Speaker 1: from our elevated position where we were calling, we could
Speaker 1: hear that bowl from that other side of that other drainage,
Speaker 1: and the sound was traveling straight across that big ridge
Speaker 1: that we were standing on up to us up high.
Speaker 1: So we had this depth perception issue, like we thought
Speaker 1: he was on the ridge when he was another five
Speaker 1: hundred yards or further six hundred yards. The crow flies
Speaker 1: on the other side of this other drainage. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we get down there, I'm like, man, the toc the
Speaker 1: clock is ticking. So we get down there and we
Speaker 1: do a bunch of calling and and it seemed like
Speaker 1: I kind of pinpointed him. And then about the time
Speaker 1: we get him pinpointed, he just shuts up. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm feeling pretty low. It's just like, man,
Speaker 1: we're not getting an elk stupid place, Dusty, what did
Speaker 1: I tell you to tell me? What are you supposed
Speaker 1: to be saying to me right now? You fool? I
Speaker 1: felt like a fool, Like, man, I just why do
Speaker 1: I come back to this place? This is dumb. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm wasting my time and spinning my wheels. You
Speaker 1: know I have that all those doubts. You know, this
Speaker 1: is I'm a fraud. I'm a fake. This this doesn't work.
Speaker 1: What am I doing? So we back to the snacks.
Speaker 1: We own some snacks, and snacks always kind of make
Speaker 1: you feel a little better, and you know, get a
Speaker 1: little sugar, and you know those organic mangoes. You know
Speaker 1: you can get a Costco. Those things are so good.
Speaker 1: I ate a bunch of I'm like, I'm gonna eat
Speaker 1: all of.
Speaker 2: Them because this is you're pretty upset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was eating away my emotions, eating
Speaker 1: my emotions. It's a good thing. We didn't have any beer,
Speaker 1: hammered carry my bow with my pack. But so then
Speaker 1: I got so I was sad, and then I got
Speaker 1: pissed off. I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: my ret melee thing again. I'm just gonna do my whole,
Speaker 1: you know, start out low just and then just go crazy,
Speaker 1: just to do all these crazy bugles, just the nastiest
Speaker 1: lip ball, the nastiest, like almost every breath that was
Speaker 1: lip bawling. And then I had that open reed and
Speaker 1: I was blowing on that thing and I was making
Speaker 1: up stuff. It was like these quick, god awful calls.
Speaker 1: Like if any human would have heard that, there had
Speaker 1: been like, good God, who is down there? What are
Speaker 1: they doing? That sounds terrible? My brother would have got
Speaker 1: up and left. He just shook his head like I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. You're a You're a fool. He had
Speaker 1: a double fool, double fool, you know. And I thought
Speaker 1: this will get that bold to bugle it. And before
Speaker 1: that he would bugle every now and then, but not much,
Speaker 1: just just to just kind of oh, because he was
Speaker 1: bedded across this hillside, you know, and we're approaching the
Speaker 1: mid day out of the twelve o'clock midday madness hour,
Speaker 1: r and I escalated to the to the crescendo, and
Speaker 1: then I stopped, and I was like tea, and he
Speaker 1: didn't bugle. Actually, he went completely radio silent on us.
Speaker 1: So I wish we could have. I wish Dusty could
Speaker 1: have been like taken like eight different angles and me
Speaker 1: doing that, because you guys probably would have been like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. But I think at that point, Duty just like, hey, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hurry up, get it over with. This is not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Hurry up. And we got to go, and so we
Speaker 1: just I'm like, I just clammed up. I just clammed
Speaker 1: it up, which you're supposed to do. We set there
Speaker 1: for I don't know, fifteen minutes and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, bam, he answers, he bugles, and it's not
Speaker 1: just the old mony bed bugle like it was a
Speaker 1: It is a pretty good, you know, mature, growy sound
Speaker 1: of bugle almost sounded like a planer, like a woodplaner
Speaker 1: when you put a freaking two by four in the
Speaker 1: old planer and he goes that makes that really gnarly sound.
Speaker 1: Is almost that that level. And I'm like, I look
Speaker 1: at thisy and like we got him. Yeah, do I call? No?
Speaker 1: Do not call? Then pretty soon, you know, he he
Speaker 1: went fifteen minutes without calling, then he bugled, and then
Speaker 1: thirty seconds later bugles again. Pretty soon he bugles again,
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, what happened over there. They sounded
Speaker 1: like a party. Now there's no party where everybody go.
Speaker 1: I think I might want to go to the party.
Speaker 1: So I let him bugle three or four times on
Speaker 1: his own, and then I started calling again. But when
Speaker 1: he went and I but I didn't go right to
Speaker 1: the bugle. When he bugled the like when I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start answering now, I started giving him these
Speaker 1: cow calls, and I the best way to describe him
Speaker 1: is kind of a longing type cow cal like me,
Speaker 1: like really high pitched long, but then draw it down slow,
Speaker 1: like hey, like I'm talking directly to you, not this jerk.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. Come over here and save us.
Speaker 1: This guy's kind of a jerk. His horns aren't very big.
Speaker 1: I want you to come over it because I think
Speaker 1: you sound pretty hot. That's what I'm trying to tell
Speaker 1: this bull. And when I would do that, he would answer,
Speaker 1: and then I would bugle. So he hadn't moved. He
Speaker 1: had not moved the whole time we were there. And
Speaker 1: as soon as I started doing that, the next thing
Speaker 1: he knew he had moved from his original betting spot
Speaker 1: halfway down the hill to the crick, which was probably
Speaker 1: a few hundred yards. You know, pretty soon he bugles again,
Speaker 1: he's in the crick. I'm like, we got him, Dusty,
Speaker 1: we got him. So now we have to move like
Speaker 1: he knows exactly. Elk have radar, they have on X
Speaker 1: maps built into their brain and their gears. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: we got to move over here and get ready to
Speaker 1: waylay him unexpectedly when he climbs up the hill, he'll
Speaker 1: be just walking up the hell right to where he
Speaker 1: last heard us, and we're gonna get him. Well, he
Speaker 1: got that crick. I don't know if he laid in
Speaker 1: it or he took an extra long drink, if you
Speaker 1: had to poop. I don't know what happened, but he
Speaker 1: stood down there forever. It seemed like forever. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get worried. I'm like, where is he?
Speaker 1: So finally I'm like, okay, so I made some cow
Speaker 1: calls and a bugle and he answers. I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: he's right there. He's and then he climbs up and
Speaker 1: then he bugles again at like sixty yards, but off
Speaker 1: to our left, not where we anticipated. Typically on these
Speaker 1: situations I have, they'll come in on a straight line.
Speaker 1: Right to me, if they're going to come all the
Speaker 1: way across that hill, they're not going to do no
Speaker 1: circle in nonsense. They're going to come in on a
Speaker 1: straight line. I've had this happen a lot. They just
Speaker 1: come in on straight line. So I'm expecting him to
Speaker 1: come in on a straight line. Well he came off
Speaker 1: that straight line and he was off to our left
Speaker 1: about sixty yards and we can't see him. It's just
Speaker 1: I don't know how we couldn't see him. It was
Speaker 1: just like it was right there right and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well he's going to walk across that little tiny opening
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna zing him. We wait there and we
Speaker 1: sit there nothing and nothing. And on the film you
Speaker 1: see this and it it all happens very fast, but
Speaker 1: I cut out, you know, an hour of us standing
Speaker 1: there on one foot like waiting for something to happen,
Speaker 1: and then flies buzzing around. You know, you can hear
Speaker 1: bees and flies and birds flying over, but I cut
Speaker 1: all of that out so it speeds up the process
Speaker 1: to make this video watchable and short. But anyway, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. And then Nick, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think, I think the jig's up, Dusty, I think.
Speaker 1: And then right up to where we where we had
Speaker 1: our our rutfest party, where we had the cow party,
Speaker 1: where people were these these elk were rut drunk. They
Speaker 1: weren't running around, they were cannon balling into the water.
Speaker 1: They were doing all sorts of crazy stuff. They were
Speaker 1: saying some stuff that can never be repeated. He was
Speaker 1: standing right up there by our packs. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: barks at us and it starts chuckling. Mind you, this
Speaker 1: is directly upwind, down wind, down wind. I keep on
Speaker 1: saying it row It's he was directly down went up
Speaker 1: the hill, but down went because all the thermals are
Speaker 1: blowing uphill, so he's he's downwind of uphill and he's
Speaker 1: barking and chuckling. I'm like, well, he's chuckling, it's just
Speaker 1: not barking, so maybe there's a chance. So I go
Speaker 1: into bark chuckle mode. So I start copycatting bark chuckle,
Speaker 1: And a lot of times the bulls come in and
Speaker 1: they think something's amiss, or they just want they want
Speaker 1: to see that other bowl. They will bark like hey,
Speaker 1: show yourself. So I start barking and chuckling. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe he's never smelled people before. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: don't make any sense to me. But at this point
Speaker 1: this we're we're in overtime. We're in We're the sudden
Speaker 1: death overtime. So I bark, chuckle, He barks and chuckles
Speaker 1: back and forth. We run up the hill, get get
Speaker 1: up there, and I'm just like, Okay, there's no way
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be He's gonna just bark and chuckle
Speaker 1: and run off. So I make a bee line. I'm
Speaker 1: walking and I look up and there that sucker is
Speaker 1: standing there looking at me, Dusty. He's not right behind me,
Speaker 1: so he don't see him with the camera, but he
Speaker 1: does seem kind of escaping. You get a little shot
Speaker 1: of him escaping through this in the shadows of this
Speaker 1: tree and I and I don't even have my tube
Speaker 1: in my hand. I just start because I've drawn my bow.
Speaker 1: As soon as I see him, I stop, I knock
Speaker 1: an arrow and draw my bow and I start barking
Speaker 1: with just my diaphragm in my mouth. I'm like, whoa.
Speaker 1: I just start barking, and finally he just stops and
Speaker 1: I've got this little tiny kind of window. The tree
Speaker 1: is there. I'm like, okay, how far is he? I
Speaker 1: think I's forty five, maybe forty, I don't know. So
Speaker 1: I put my forty pin right in the middle of that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can see his shoulder right there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I send it. It cuts off a branch
Speaker 1: and the arrow disappears, and then the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: I see the bolt run off. I'm like, did I
Speaker 1: get him? I think I got him, And then he
Speaker 1: barks at us and chuckles again, like I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. So we continue this cat and
Speaker 1: mouse game of barking and chuckling and advancing, and I
Speaker 1: would bark and chuckle, he'd bark and chuckle, and I'd
Speaker 1: run up, you know, as fast as the fat kid
Speaker 1: can up with that steep hill. It didn't look that
Speaker 1: steep on the hill on the video, but it's steep
Speaker 1: as the back of your head. So we're running up
Speaker 1: the hill as fasts we can, panting out of breath,
Speaker 1: and every time I hit a flat spot, he would
Speaker 1: be standing there waiting and I would catch him like
Speaker 1: turning and running because he didn't get a good look
Speaker 1: at us. He would just hear us coming and he
Speaker 1: would turn and they would run off off to the
Speaker 1: next spot about sixty eighty yards bark and chuckle. So
Speaker 1: we did this leapfrog thing up the hill and finally,
Speaker 1: the last time I seen him, you can on the
Speaker 1: video you see just a little little little flash of
Speaker 1: him disappearing. I'm like, well, the jig is up. So
Speaker 1: we sit there and man, it's time for the real
Speaker 1: pity party. Now. It's like, dude, that's it's not the
Speaker 1: biggest bull I've ever seen and over the counter unit,
Speaker 1: but it's probably the biggest bowl on over counter unit
Speaker 1: I've seen in twenty years. I don't want to throw
Speaker 1: crazy numbers around, but he was a very very big maturable,
Speaker 1: especially for that country. Usually don't see him that big.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I have my petty party. I talk about
Speaker 1: it a little bit and then we let's go. You know,
Speaker 1: let's go check the arrow. You know, maybe maybe I've
Speaker 1: heard bulls bugle that I've got hit before we got
Speaker 1: we gotta be one hundred percent sure. We go down there,
Speaker 1: look around, there's the arrow. And as I reached down
Speaker 1: to get the arrow, he insults her injury by barking
Speaker 1: and chuckling at us again, and it's like he left,
Speaker 1: and then he came back and stood right where we
Speaker 1: were standing the last time when we turned around. So
Speaker 1: I pick up the arrow. I'm like, well, there's no
Speaker 1: blood on it and it's clean as a whistle, So
Speaker 1: I put it away. Dusty, what do we do? Like,
Speaker 1: I guess we run back up there and see maybe
Speaker 1: and the whole time I don't understand this. The wind
Speaker 1: is blowing straight to him. I've never had this happen before.
Speaker 1: It defies every law of nature and everything that anybody's
Speaker 1: ever told you. If I had somebody tell me this story,
Speaker 1: I'd call bullshit, you know. I would be no, that
Speaker 1: that's not that didn't happen. Okay, all right, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: what happened. That's what happened. You know. Dusty is my witness.
Speaker 1: And we go right back up to the same spot
Speaker 1: and he and he and we kind of did that
Speaker 1: same cat mouse thing, and he didn't linger that long
Speaker 1: that time. He kind of just disappeared and quit talking.
Speaker 1: So at that point we were very sad and we
Speaker 1: had to walk back down to him. They dropped out
Speaker 1: probably three hundred feet maybe back down to the packs
Speaker 1: again and get her packs and then make that long
Speaker 1: walk out. And it was it was it was a
Speaker 1: nice day though. It was beautiful. It was really clear.
Speaker 1: It was probably about eighty degrees, so it was a
Speaker 1: really good day to trudge through that brush all the
Speaker 1: way back up to the truck. You know, it was
Speaker 1: a it was a nasty climb. But and on the
Speaker 1: way out, what did I say. I'm like, Dusty, yeah,
Speaker 1: right here, i can start putting some trail cameras. I've
Speaker 1: got an idea. I could probably hack a little trail
Speaker 1: over here. I could put some trail cameras right there.
Speaker 1: And what did you say, you fool? You know, old
Speaker 1: my nature. She just shook her shook her tail at
Speaker 1: me again, to shook her old tail feathers at me again.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was hooked. I was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent all in coming back next year. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't get away with it.
Speaker 2: That's all you talked about all the way home, all
Speaker 2: the way home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was trying to convince you. It's just
Speaker 1: like a good buddy that tries to tries to make
Speaker 1: tries to legitimize or or you know, talk sense to
Speaker 1: you and make you not feel like he's an idiot
Speaker 1: for running back to some crazy girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a nice blough. That was.
Speaker 1: It still hurts. So basically, the the title of the
Speaker 1: film is ghost Bowls of the North because these bolts
Speaker 1: they're like ghosts. If you were to walk up there
Speaker 1: and look for tracks, you wouldn't see any tracks. And
Speaker 1: if you're not down in the crap hole where there
Speaker 1: their antlers are, you're rubbing where theyre rubbing their antlers
Speaker 1: on trees and stuff, you you would swear there's not
Speaker 1: a single elk around. There's not a lot of elk around.
Speaker 1: There's there are very few and far between. But if
Speaker 1: you figure out where they're at, it can it can
Speaker 1: be amazing. But they're like ghosts, like some people don't
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts. I took my brother in law up
Speaker 1: there one summer scouting and he's like, there's no elk.
Speaker 1: Care in no way, I'm hunting here. I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: elk here. He's like, I'm not, I'm here. I'm never
Speaker 1: hunting here. I couldn't talk him into it. This was
Speaker 1: several years ago when it was better when it was
Speaker 1: even better than it is now. This is before it's
Speaker 1: kind of like got to where it is now. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh so yeah, but they're like ghosts some I had
Speaker 1: one person one time tell me he called them vampires
Speaker 1: because he's like, once they shed their velvet, they're like
Speaker 1: a vampire. He's like, they do not show themselves in
Speaker 1: the light of day until they start rutting a bit,
Speaker 1: and then they come out and run around until that's done,
Speaker 1: and then they just disappear again and just amazing. It's
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Yeah, that's that's a great way to say it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what's your takeaways, Dusty from the film? Do you
Speaker 1: recommend it? Do you do you wish that? What do
Speaker 1: you what's your takeaways from the film? Well, people like.
Speaker 2: It, I think so. I think they would like it.
Speaker 2: It's a good film. I think it's entertaining. I think
Speaker 2: it holds your attention the whole time. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it shows the reality of what most elk hunting
Speaker 2: is like. Yeah, you get close encounters and then nothing
Speaker 2: and then close encounter nothing. It's an up and up
Speaker 2: hill downhill battle, just like hiking those hills. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great film, Yeah, and I think it just you know,
Speaker 1: it just shows that every every season can't be a ten.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I've had some tens up there, and I've had some
Speaker 1: zero's up there. That was kind of a zero not
Speaker 1: to tag. But it was fun. We learned a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff again, you know, we got into some new
Speaker 1: places I'd never hiked in before, and we hit some
Speaker 1: old some of the old spots and my old favorite
Speaker 1: spots and didn't have a dang thing. We hiked in
Speaker 1: behind this gated road for it felt like hours one day.
Speaker 1: We hiked and hiked and it was form. We hiked in,
Speaker 1: you know for like noon, We're going to get up
Speaker 1: in there and be ready for the evening hunt. Just
Speaker 1: stack them up. We get up there and it looked
Speaker 1: like there had never been an elk in there in
Speaker 1: the last ten years. It was just ghost town. No
Speaker 1: no fresh scat. There was some old white scot from
Speaker 1: like last year, no rubs, no tracks, And it wasn't
Speaker 1: that many years ago that every year, any day of
Speaker 1: you know, the last part of September, you could could
Speaker 1: hear a bull in there, if not kill one. So
Speaker 1: you know, the landscape changes every year. So that's another
Speaker 1: big takeaway. You know, if you have your favorite places,
Speaker 1: no matter where you're at, no matter what state, no
Speaker 1: matter what kind of place it is, you know, from
Speaker 1: year to year it changes a lot of times. It
Speaker 1: depends on snowpack, it depends on the moisture you get
Speaker 1: in the summer, elk, or just in different places. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not always in those spots, so you have to
Speaker 1: be willing to branch out and try other places, try
Speaker 1: different tactics. And another thing is you just can't give up.
Speaker 1: Like it's easy, easy to get up, give up at
Speaker 1: that point when the cards are down, but you just
Speaker 1: have to have that faith. You have to ride that
Speaker 1: that leap of faith or have that little faith. It's like,
Speaker 1: this will happen because I know it'll happen because I've
Speaker 1: been there before. I've had success before doing these same
Speaker 1: things and these similar type places, and it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And you just have to hold that faith because if
Speaker 1: you don't, if you give up and go home, you lose.
Speaker 1: If you stay, there's there's still a chance to win.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well are you ready to go back there
Speaker 1: this year? Fool? I kind of knew that was coming.
Speaker 1: But Dusty, hear me out, hear me out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put some trail cameras up there, and I'm sure you are.
Speaker 1: I have some sitting up there. I put them. I
Speaker 1: last summer, I went up and I put trail cams out.
Speaker 1: Again I'm and they're still there. Like I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: this summer, check though, pull the cards and devise a plan,
Speaker 1: and we're going to be back in there again. And
Speaker 1: then this time it's going to be different. She's gonna
Speaker 1: love me forever. This time. You are a fool. Oh
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. I always enjoy your company. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the conversation, yeah.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It was fun reminiscing again on those hunts,
Speaker 2: even though it didn't get one, it was that's blast,
Speaker 2: so much fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Where can people find you on? On the
Speaker 1: socials and the interwebs.
Speaker 2: And Instagram is U d F Productions d o F
Speaker 2: Productions and then same websites do F Productions dot Com.
Speaker 2: And I'm also on Facebook, but I'm just under my
Speaker 2: name Dusty Rupe, So.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right cool, and uh yeah, go
Speaker 1: give him a follow. I keep telling Dusty, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're creative you've got the juices you need to need
Speaker 1: to make some cool, cool reels. That's the new thing.
Speaker 1: That's the new cool thing on Instagram reels. You know,
Speaker 1: they're trying to compete with TikTok, right, and yeah, you
Speaker 1: just need to get myself out there. Get yourself out
Speaker 1: there with some of those reels. If anybody needs a
Speaker 1: camera guy when I'm not using him, hit him up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd definitely like to follow you around the Elkwood's deerwoods,
Speaker 1: fishing woods, fish I mean yeah, yeah, or maybe your
Speaker 1: small business and need a little bit of help, you know,
Speaker 1: doing some cool film to promote your stuff. If we
Speaker 1: can talk. Yeah, but yep, thanks again, and thanks everybody
Speaker 1: for listening. We'll catch you on the next episode. And remember,
Speaker 1: monsters are coming. I always say that I keep just
Speaker 1: going on to those next ghost bowls as there's a
Speaker 1: monster coming. All right, I'm ready. Thanks