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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, We're back with another episode of Cutting the

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Speaker 1: Distance podcast. I'm Dirk Durham and we have a special

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Speaker 1: guest today. I know, I kind of admit sometimes I

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Speaker 1: think every time I say we have a special guest today,

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Speaker 1: but really today is a very special guest. My good

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Speaker 1: friend and videographer personal videographer Dusty Roupe. Hello.

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Speaker 2: Nice to be here with you, Dirk. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Dusty lives in the same town as me, kind

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Speaker 1: of pretty much. We're probably fifteen minutes away from each other,

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Speaker 1: and we get together a few times beside a year.

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Speaker 1: Besides ELK season. We do some podcasts. Sometimes we do

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Speaker 1: just some you know, other cool video stuff. Today, I

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Speaker 1: thought it would be great to bring Dusty on here

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Speaker 1: and talk to you guys about our film that just launched.

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Speaker 1: And I want to back up just a little bit

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Speaker 1: just before we get too far. I'm kind of putting

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Speaker 1: the cart before the horse. If you guys have don't

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Speaker 1: know who Dusty is, if you didn't listen to our

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Speaker 1: previous podcasts, there was a I don't know, we did

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Speaker 1: him last summer about filming. You know, it's about cinematography

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Speaker 1: and what it takes to get into it, what it

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Speaker 1: takes to get the job done. What what makes good films?

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Speaker 1: What doesn't make good films? You want to look that

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Speaker 1: back up? It's a few episodes ago. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: what the number fifty. Wow, you pulled that out of

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Speaker 1: your sleeve like Ron Bergundy pulled the flute. Well played,

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Speaker 1: well played. You probably have the link handwritten on your

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Speaker 1: brand too, if you want to. Okay back, flash backlas htsh. Anyhow,

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Speaker 1: Dusty for the last few years has followed me around

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Speaker 1: during elk season, filming me making me look good as

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Speaker 1: good as I can look. I mean, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think it looks good, but you know, other people probably

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Speaker 1: think it's kind of mediocre. But anyhow, all kidding aside,

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Speaker 1: Dusty has a great he's got a great eye for

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Speaker 1: for film, and he's got a really good demeanor and

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Speaker 1: personality to go film elk hunting and any other kind

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Speaker 1: of hunting trips. He's one of those guys that just

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Speaker 1: he doesn't complain. He we are out there in some

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Speaker 1: really awkward, difficult situations in the woods where some people

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Speaker 1: might want to say, screw this, We're going home. And

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Dusty, I'm like, how's it going? And

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Speaker 1: he's just like, I'm good. I'm good, you know, no

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Speaker 1: matter how much he's dying inside, he hides it. Well.

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Speaker 1: Uh and then when I do my I call it

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Speaker 1: my trailer park cuisine. I have. I make courmet meals

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Speaker 1: at a very common everyday food that you know, not

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Speaker 1: a lot of people may think is good. But Dusty

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Speaker 1: always compliments me about my about my cuisine, you know.

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Speaker 1: So he's not a picky eater. He will drink a

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Speaker 1: cold beer from time to time with me, which is nice.

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Speaker 1: And he said he's not scared of bears, and I

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Speaker 1: that's good. That's really good. Anyway. He owns and operates

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Speaker 1: Depth of Field. Yeah, product Productions, owner, operator, head, bottle washer,

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Speaker 1: you name, you do it all, you do it all, Dusty.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's he's edited quite a few films for

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Speaker 1: you Dusty for coming on today. Welcome, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So I mentioned earlier we had a earlier that we

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Speaker 1: had a film come out just recently on the Phelps

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Speaker 1: Game Calls YouTube channel. And it's called Ghost Bowls of

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Speaker 1: the North, and we didn't really designate the state what

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Speaker 1: stated is. I guess it's probably one of those things.

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Speaker 1: If you know, you know, and if you don't, you'll

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Speaker 1: lots of timber, lots of brush. The film is about

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Speaker 1: an elk hunt. This was in twenty twenty two, right,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't twenty twenty three. So in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: I think we had probably ten hours of just footage alone,

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Speaker 1: At one time in the nineties, this place was loaded

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Speaker 1: If if I had to have you give me a

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Speaker 1: to describe in your own words, Dusty, what that landscape?

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Speaker 1: I can sit here all day and tell people about it,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? First, I would say it's beautiful. I think northern

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Speaker 2: It's so different, and filming in that is even more difficult.

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Speaker 2: So it almost seems crazy at times in the places

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Speaker 2: Just and then you're thinking if we get one of

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Speaker 2: Yeah? But it definitely is fun. I like it a

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Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it's there's a lot, it's a totally

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like to compare it to maybe like western Oregon,

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Speaker 1: here in a minute. But first, less shift gears and

428
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Speaker 1: I just want to say, as always, if you guys

429
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 1: have any questions regarding ELK calling Elk cutting why the

430
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Maverick diaphragm is better than the pink diaphragm that Phelps likes.

431
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: You can call it in to our super secret hotline.

432
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: It's two eight two one nine seven seven zero one.

433
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: You have three minutes to leave a message. You can

434
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: leave a message and tell us how cool Dusty is

435
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: and what a good film are you is. You can

436
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 1: tell us why Jason Phelps is not a great caller.

437
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: Both of those truths.

438
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: Both of those truths I mean, Or if you have

439
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: a question, you know what, We'll play your will play

440
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: your question or your or your statement on the air

441
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: and well we'll address that or answer your question best

442
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: we can. So moving on, so tips and tactics on

443
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: the the three bowl scenarios that we had in the film,

444
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to talk about and kind of

445
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: break down the bowl number one. The first bull that

446
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: we had an encounter with a good buddy of mine

447
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: was camping up there. Him and his son had heard

448
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: that bowl the day before and bugling, and him and

449
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: his u son kind of walked over the hill there

450
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: and kind of bugled at him a little bit, and

451
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: he's like, man, need to tell Dirk about that. So

452
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: he told me and we were kind of spun out

453
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: where we were not having much luck. So we went

454
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: over there and found the bowl right away. And you know,

455
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of folks out there

456
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: in the elk calling education world. They maybe they have

457
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: a silver bullet, you know, you do this, you make

458
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: this certain call every time, and they'll just make the

459
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: bulls come in, you know, whether that's a bugle or

460
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: a certain cow call, or a Estris buzz or what

461
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: have you. You know, there's a lot of phrases and

462
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: names of these different calls that kind of been thrown around.

463
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: But I've always been kind of a different of a

464
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: different mindset. I feel like I'm always kind of like

465
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: the student of the game. I'm always trying to figure

466
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: it out. I spend a lot of time elk calling

467
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: every year, and for the last thirty five years, I've

468
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in the Elk woods. And

469
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: one thing I've found for me is I haven't found

470
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: that one perfect call that does it all. I feel

471
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: like I kind of go into it as an experiment

472
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: every time. I'm having an experiment on what that bowl

473
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: is going to react to. And some bulls react well

474
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: to like a really high pitched A lot of bulls

475
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: react really well to a really high pitched bugle. Some don't.

476
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: Some react well if you do a lot of chuckling

477
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: or grunting. Some react really well with cow calls, and

478
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: they don't want to answer bugles, but the lancer cow calls.

479
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: So what I'm doing is I'm trying to find out

480
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm in the When I first start calling to a bowl,

481
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what he wants to reply to.

482
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: So I'll try three different bugles right off the beginning.

483
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: Beginning as I call to him, you know, at any sense,

484
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, whether I know Elk is there or not,

485
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I'll do three three different bugles. My first one is

486
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: just a long high note locator type bugle, very non aggressive,

487
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: just a hey, you do you know I'm over here, guys,

488
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, just a non threatening hey, everybody, I'm gonna

489
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Elk come over here. The next one, I ramp it

490
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I escalate a little bit, and

491
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I give a full bugle from the low note to

492
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: the high note to the low note, and I'll throw

493
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: in like three or four chuckles or crunts. But they're

494
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: not gonna be aggressive, just it's it's just I've taken

495
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: it up a notch and I wait, you know, so

496
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: after the first bugle, we may wait five minutes. Second bugle,

497
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: wait another five minutes. And the third bugle I'm gonna

498
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: do is gonna be the biggest, meanest, nastiest lip ball

499
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: bugle with thunderous ground shaking grunts at the end. And

500
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: a lipball bugle if you're not familiar, that's when you

501
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: buzz your lips on your tube to make that real

502
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 1: guttural bas owl sound and then it goes to a

503
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: really high note and then it comes back off and

504
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: then lots of big thunderous grunts. And if I don't

505
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: usually hear anything from those three bugles, we move on. Also,

506
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot to say this between those bugles,

507
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: and I may even just start out with this before

508
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: I make any other vocalization. I will make a cow call,

509
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: two three very quiet light call calls to begin with,

510
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: because especially in that thick country, you don't know if

511
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: there's an elk fifty sixty yards for me, right that

512
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: one time we got out of the truck and bugled

513
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: and there was a bull that answered, what sixty yards

514
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: just right out of sight, and we almost killed that sucker.

515
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: This was when I had my mouth tab. I shoot

516
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: my mouth tab, and if i'd have been shooting a

517
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: normal bow, I'd have killed that sucker dead to rights

518
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 1: because we're in that thing forests, and then there were

519
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: some branches. I could have shot through between the branches

520
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: with a little bit of squatting in my in my stance,

521
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: but to squat and pull it back, pull the bow

522
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: back with the mouth tab, with your teeth, and it

523
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: was just I couldn't do it. I couldn't make the shot,

524
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: so I didn't do it. But I mean, we were

525
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 1: really close, so you just never know. So start out

526
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: with a really quiet call from the beginning, just to

527
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: make sure you don't have one right right there. Then

528
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: your next calls, my next cow calls, I'm going to escally.

529
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make them really loud to where if like

530
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: we're at the edge of a big canyon, I want

531
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: those calls to reach across several hundred yards to an animal,

532
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: to a bowl that's over there to get a reply.

533
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: And if I don't hear nothing, then that's when I

534
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: do that first located bugle. Anyhow, when we got that

535
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: bolt answer the first time, he answered one of my

536
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: locator bugles, I don't I don't even know if I

537
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: even chuckled. I can't remember a drunded you'll see on

538
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: the video. But as we as we once we kind

539
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: of pinpointed where he was at, we hiked in on him,

540
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: and as we kind of got closer, we got about

541
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: halfway to him, and it hits a jungle. So I

542
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: had to I had to call again and kind of

543
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: try to all right, let's get our navigation or get

544
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: our bearings. Here where's he at? And I called it

545
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: a couple times and I had did like big full bugles,

546
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't answer any won't answer, and then he

547
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: kind of and then fight cow called a little bit,

548
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: and I remember he kind of did kind of a

549
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: mony type bugle, and I thought, well, maybe I'll do

550
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: a mony type bugle, so I gave kind of a

551
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: mony bugle. Bam. He answered, I'm like, okay, he likes

552
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: the mony bugles, but he don't like those high pitched

553
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: aggressive bugles at all. So as you watch the film unfold,

554
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: you'll notice I'm not really doing too much of that

555
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: real high pitch bugle on I do kind of a

556
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: grunt or a bark at the beginning, and then I

557
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: give kind of a low mony bugle, and that kind

558
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: of kept us in the game with him and kept

559
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: him talking, and he kind of stood he stood his ground,

560
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: so we got up there, got real close to him.

561
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: Finally he comes out and we can kind of see him,

562
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: and then he kind of disappears. I'm like, okay, typically

563
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: when those bulls are that close and he's and he's

564
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: coming your way. Next time he bugles, and when he

565
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: bugled again, it was seemed very a little more aggressive.

566
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: So I thought, okay, it's time for me to escalate.

567
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: So I escalated a little bit. So I gave him

568
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: a little more than a than a than a moany bugle.

569
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: He didn't like it away when so he kind of

570
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: pursue him a little bit, and I'd given him I

571
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: think a couple three of those big high pitched bugles

572
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: and maybe some crunts. He didn't like it, and then

573
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: I went back to the mony bugles, and at that

574
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: point the jig was up. So I think the takeaway

575
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: on that is, you know, don't don't escalate too soon,

576
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: especially if you get that feeling. I had kind of

577
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: the gut feeling that he wasn't aggressive bull anyway, and

578
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: I should have kind of stuck with my my gut

579
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: on the thing. I should have just like, well, we're

580
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: just gonna just play this with kid gloves the whole time.

581
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: But I you know, sometimes you get a little excited

582
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: and and I think I turned half elk anyway, when

583
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: I get in close like that, I want a bugle.

584
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: I want to want to fight. I want to fight

585
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: you man. And so I think my excitement might have

586
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: got the best of me too. So if I had

587
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: to play that over again, I definitely would have maybe

588
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: stuck with the money bugles right up to you know,

589
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: that's all that's all you get. That's that's where I live,

590
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: that's where I make, and that's what he likes. And

591
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to intimidate him, and I want him

592
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: to because I think he came in out of curiosity

593
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: more than anger. He was. He raked a little bit,

594
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: but he didn't He never escalated with his voice. He

595
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: never got really mad. And a lot of times they'll

596
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: rake for a little bit and then they'll escalate their

597
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: calls and prety sing the bull will make a bugle

598
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: that it's undoubtedly he means business. He's upset, and I

599
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: always got like, oh he's mad. And usually after they

600
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: make a bugle like that and I cut them off

601
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: with my own bugle similar similar status. Then person here

602
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: he comes. But he never gave that bugle, so I

603
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: think he was more curious than anything. So then we

604
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: had the long walk out of there, and that place

605
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: was a crap hole, wasn't There was blowdowns on blowdowns.

606
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: There'd been like a microburst and part of that place

607
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: and you didn't get to see it all on the video,

608
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: but there was down timber and brush and it was wet,

609
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: and I think I made note to Dusty. I told

610
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: him at one point, I was like, you know, maybe

611
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we didn't get that out is we'd

612
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: have had a heck of a time getting out of there.

613
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't super steep, it was it was kind of rolling.

614
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: There were some steep spots, but it was so difficult

615
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: to just walk on semi flat ground. It would have

616
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: been bad with one hundred pounds on our back. Yeah,

617
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: we would have done it, though, Oh yeah, I would

618
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: have been I would have happily done it, and that

619
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: after being done, we'd have been like, let's get out

620
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: of here and never come back. So the bowl number

621
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: two we heard from a long distance away, and Dusty

622
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: he thought he only heard one. I swore I heard too.

623
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: I said, I heard it just a kind of a

624
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: whimpy bowl and I heard a grolly bowl. But I

625
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: don't know. Dusty cant of looked at me, but and

626
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't remember hearing a grally bul.

627
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 1: I'm like, I swear I heard it. And then we

628
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: we bugled from across his big drainage. So then we

629
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: got over on the same side they were on, took

630
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: this old trail, hiked in on him. We bugled from

631
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: the trail. We heard a bugle, and I swear I

632
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: heard a growly just oh down in there. But I

633
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: don't think that's you heard it. He's just like, okay, Derek,

634
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: whatever you know. I think he does that a lot.

635
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: He just like, you know, yes, yes, Dirk, whatever you say, Dirk.

636
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: He just like tries to, like, you know, nod, just

637
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: like okay, whatever you think. Maybe I come up with

638
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: this stuff in my own head. Maybe I don't know.

639
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: Whatever keeps you going yeah.

640
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: I think I think he does kind of look at

641
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: me with funny, like a funny look in his face

642
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: when I tell i'm we're going to go down there,

643
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, yeah, I mean that. Maybe he

644
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: don't complain, but I think maybe the voice of reason

645
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: is trying to come through his eyes at me, like like,

646
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: look at me in the eye and understand this is

647
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: stupid to go down in there, because that place we

648
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: went after that second bowl, it's one of the brushiest

649
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: places we've ever been in. The next drainage over a

650
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, we went down in that same

651
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: same type of stuff, and at that point we kind

652
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: of said the same things, like this is the worst

653
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: place we've ever been in. This place was worse than that,

654
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: because from top to bottom it was bad. And we

655
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: get in there and this bowl would bugle kind of

656
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: off and on, and by the sounds of him, I'm

657
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: just like, eh, he don't sound like a big bowl.

658
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: He just kind of sounds like a raghorn five point.

659
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: But big bulls can sound wimpy until they turn it

660
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: up a notch too. So there's always that little carrot

661
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: the dangles out in front of your head. It's like, well,

662
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: this thing may he may just be a giant playing

663
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: possum a little bit. So we got to go and

664
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: plus I swear, Dusty, I swear I heard a big

665
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: growler down here.

666
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: Come on.

667
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: So we get down in there and he's he bugles

668
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: just enough to keep us interested. Like, so we get

669
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: down in there, and then the wind get a little

670
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: got a little wonky, so like, all right, let's sit

671
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: down and take a break. So we sat there for

672
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: an hour or something, had a little snacky snack and

673
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, we might even took a nap. I

674
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And once the

675
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of the wind started coming up hill to us,

676
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, let's make our move. So then

677
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: we took in after him again and we get over

678
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: on the same ridge he's on, and he just just

679
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: taunts us, just like he. We get one hundred yards

680
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, this is no time to work

681
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: my magic, and then he would just move off. So

682
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: then it's almost like leapfrog. We'd move up to where

683
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: he was standing from the last time he bugled, and

684
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: then he would be just one hundred yards further, so

685
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: which this is. This is typical elk behavior, right, And

686
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: he kind of liked those mony bugles too, so you'll

687
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: see in the video I'm giving him those kind of

688
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: mony bugles. I'm not giving him those beautiful prize winning

689
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: bugles that everybody likes to do. And hear right, these

690
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: are just these crappy mony bugles. It's like a pre

691
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: pre pubescent boy trying to trying to talk or something,

692
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: and you know that kept kind of kept him talking.

693
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: And then a couple times, once we got up on

694
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: top of that ridge, I thought, I think we'll put

695
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure on him and he's gonna

696
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: come in. He kind of start escalating a little bit.

697
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this is gonna be good. We're just

698
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: we're we got good wind. It's it's very advantageous for

699
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: the bull to come in this spot, but he's gonna

700
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: have to come in close to see us. We can

701
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: set up, we can call. So I escalated a little

702
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: bit and he just kept on moving off when and

703
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: I thought, all right, we're gonna step on this thing.

704
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: So sometimes I take the aggressive just a little. The

705
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: next step up, it's like I'm just gonna not maybe

706
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: call as much, but I'm just gonna start walking right

707
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: to where I think he is. So we just start

708
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: walking and start hoofing it, because a lot of times

709
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: those things will shut up and then it'll just stand

710
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: there and wait for you to walk up, and they're like, oh,

711
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: there he is. Jig's up. Well, that stupid thing wouldn't

712
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: even stand these ground long enough to even catch us,

713
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, try to catch us sneaking in or walking

714
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: in on him. So he was clearly intimidated. He didn't

715
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: want to fight, and he just kept moving off. So

716
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: at that point, I think we ran into like a

717
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: couple of bold moose, a couple, but a most one

718
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: was a giant, probably a boon and crocket shyris moose.

719
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: The other one was a little thinking one, like a

720
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: thirty inch er, and the other one was a big

721
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: haws And you filmed and tried to film them like it.

722
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: There again, we talked about film and stuff. You think

723
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: I think I got it right now? Yeah, Like I'm like,

724
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm just canvas in like the film. I'm like, I

725
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: got to show these moose and and they're black and

726
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: they're really hard. They don't stand out in the video

727
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: at all, so.

728
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: A big moose like that, and you still can't.

729
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing's like a horse standing there. They're so tall,

730
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: and like, how do you not? How can you not? Right? Yeah,

731
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: So we sat down for a while and just kind

732
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: of let things calm down. Get a snack, another snack,

733
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, we take lots of snacks. We got to

734
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: keep our energy up for you know, I'm about to

735
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: blow away in the wind. I got a lightweight. Yeah,

736
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: I got to keep my metagolism up, you know. Yes,

737
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: I've got a car blowed. Hey. We eat healthy snacks though,

738
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: fruit leathers and protein jerkys and nossages and stuff like that.

739
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: That sounds good.

740
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, could have broke open some jerky and then everybody

741
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: had heard us some smack in our lips. Yeah. But anyhow,

742
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: so after we kind of let things go quiet for

743
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: a while, I like to do this thing where and

744
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: I've kind of done this in the last few years

745
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: a lot where the bugling has kind of gone stale. Well,

746
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: we'll just find a good spot where the wind is

747
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: good and we have a good vantage point to where

748
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: we can hear a lot of different directions, and we

749
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: just sit in that one spot and just call, and

750
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: we just start calling sparingly in the beginning, just a

751
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: few cow calls, and then after a while introduce a bugle.

752
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: It's almost like cold calling, right. And as let's say,

753
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: we do this for thirty minutes, and as as we

754
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: get closer to that thirty minute mark, you know, we're

755
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: constantly escalating. By the time we get to the thirty

756
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: minute mark, I'm cow calling, and I'm bugling almost every breath, right,

757
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: and maybe I get up and run around or throw

758
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: some sticks around or roll rocks down the hill. I

759
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: want to paint this picture that there is a cow

760
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: and heat. There's some kind of a rut fast melee

761
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: going on up here, and a lot of times during

762
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: that sometimes you'll hear a bugle, but more times than not.

763
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: Once once you kind of quit doing that, and then

764
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: you just you turn it off. Thirty minute mark. Shut

765
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: it off, Sit down, be quiet, shut up, put your

766
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: head on a swivel, and you after about ten to

767
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, pretty soon you'll hear You'll hear a bowl

768
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: about as far way sometimes you can hear him, and

769
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: pretty soon closer, pretty soon closer. Well, we did that,

770
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: and we didn't hear squawk. You're bugling over to that

771
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: next big that next big canyon where that growler was

772
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And evidently he didn't get the memo

773
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: he's supposed to participate when he hears that sound. And

774
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: so after sitting there for I don't know, probably in

775
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: an hour, then we're just okay, nothing's happening. And that

776
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: bowl we've been chasing all morning, he shut up to you.

777
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, let's get out of here. So

778
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: then you have to do that terrible walk of shame

779
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: out of there, and it's you know he talked about

780
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: it before. It's brushy and steep and yucky, and it's hot,

781
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: and by that time, you know, of course it's it's

782
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: warmed up. And now we have the sun on the hillside,

783
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: wearing too many clothes, and yeah, it's it's it's fun.

784
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: It built character is what it does. You know, It's

785
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for all the beautiful fall colors, you know,

786
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: you may not you know, appreciate it as much. Anyhow,

787
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: that was kind of the strategy on that bowl, is

788
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: like try not to work him up too hard, too quick,

789
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: just kind of not be super aggressive until it became advantageous.

790
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: We got out of that thick brushold he did. I

791
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: guess I'll back up. He did come into probably ten

792
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: yards fifteen yards maybe I seen antler tips, but he

793
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: kind of came in quiet and I heard him rub it,

794
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh, Dusty, And then I went

795
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: and I called and he didn't come out, and like,

796
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: all right, let's move up. So we moved up there

797
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: and we were I don't know, ten yards maybe, and

798
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: I seen an antler tip. I don't think Dusty could

799
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: see it. Just from where I was standing. I kind

800
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: of see it looked like maybe a five point just

801
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: by the splits on his on his antlers. And then

802
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: he moved off, of course, and then we you know,

803
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: followed suit after that. But yeah, it's my advice, is

804
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to give up too quick.

805
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: We could have like when he moved off, then maybe

806
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: the smart play that would have been all right, let's

807
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: pack it up, gets get out of here and go

808
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: find one that does want to play better. But there's

809
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: been times where if you just give him that little nudge,

810
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: pretty soon it's curiosity gets the best of them, or

811
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: maybe you fool him into getting mad. You know, it's

812
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: almost like on the playground when there's a kid you

813
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: want to start a fight with and you just to

814
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: start poking them a little bit and poking them, just

815
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: these little nudges, and finally you just you break that barriers, like,

816
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: all right, I've had enough. And I was kind of

817
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: hoping we would get that. But yeah, he that guy

818
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: was a rock. He was an oak. He wasn't oak.

819
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: He was an oak. He wasn't going to lose his temper. Yeah,

820
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: he he probably listens to a lot of JOCKO will link,

821
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, and not loosen to his temper. You know,

822
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: he goes the enemy, right guys, you know, and he knew.

823
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not that tough. I don't need to fight.

824
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I got nothing to prove here, exactly Good the elk

825
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: doesn't want to fight. Good. Good, find another one. And

826
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: then the third bowl that we got on, well, one

827
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: thing I will mention is this hunt. We mid hunt.

828
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: I got news from home that my wife Jessica was

829
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: in the hospital. She has appendicitis, and I'm like, oh, pendicitis.

830
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: I know people that had that. That's that's not a

831
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, they just do a couple of

832
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: little poke incisions and they fix you up and you're

833
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: out and it's not a big deal. I know two

834
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: or three people they act like, no, it's nothing. They

835
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: were back to work within a day. Well, no, she

836
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: had to get a major surgery. They had to cut

837
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: her way open, they had to they had to dig in,

838
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: had to remove someonetestine, they had to like kind of

839
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: stitch it back together. It was a very very major

840
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: oldeal and we had to cut the hunt short. I'm like, okay,

841
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: we got we got one more half day to hunt.

842
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: We can hunt till noon, and then we got to

843
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: get out of here. So because she didn't you know,

844
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: my my, my wipe, my my kids were down there,

845
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: and then her friends were there. But I needed to

846
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: get back home, you know, as quick as they could.

847
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, after this hunt, this this

848
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: half day, we got to get home. So the night

849
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: before that half day, we'd we'd we'd called down into

850
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: this really steep, nasty, like almost vertical, like you could

851
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: see eight hundred vertical feet straight down and you could

852
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: have probably thrown a baseball straight out, you know, to

853
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: hit the bottom. I was like it was that vertical

854
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: and across the draw on the other hill side of

855
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: bowl answers, and as a five point he started coming

856
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: out crossed and start he was going to climb that hill.

857
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: To us, I'm like, oh, if that sucker climbed this hill,

858
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot him right here. But there again, we

859
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: didn't get anything good on video because it's he was

860
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: a long ways away and we don't have all these

861
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: big telescopic lenses because we're in brush country, USA, so

862
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: we don't have these big zoom lenses to zoom in

863
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: and see the bulls. So there wasn't really much to

864
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: show there, so we left that part out. But so

865
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: the next morning we have this half day, I'm like,

866
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: we got to get back in there. That thing was

867
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: pretty hot. We'll just slip over there and get him

868
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: to talk and we'll pinpoint him and then we'll go

869
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: down that ridge, walk down there, shoot him, pack him out.

870
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: It's not that far outpack We'll be out of here

871
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: at noon, easy, easy. Well, the next morning we get there,

872
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: that bull would not make a peep. I think he

873
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: smelled us that night. I think he must have smelled

874
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: us or something, and he you know, fooled me once.

875
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, he ain't gonna be fooled twice or smart.

876
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: So we stood there for quite a while calling, and

877
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: then I pulled out my my external call, the external

878
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: open read cow call. And I always say those things

879
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: like ten percent of the time. They work every time,

880
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: and I start blowing on it. My brother always makes

881
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: fun of me. He's like, God, that thing does not

882
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: sound like an elk. That sounds terrible. It sounds like

883
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: a weird bird or something like. I know, but sometimes

884
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: bowls like it. For whatever reason, maybe I sound like

885
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: old Mary Lou from last year. You know Mary Lou.

886
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: She's pretty crazy ex girlfriend see crazy girlfriends sometimes. Actually

887
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: she wants child support. But anyway, I started, I blew

888
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: on that thing, and baham, we got an answer. And

889
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, Dusty, that's a big that's a big bowl.

890
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: That's not that little one. So we make a quick plan.

891
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: We throw our packs on, hike out this ridge. I'm like, oh, yeah,

892
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: he's just right on that ridge. Can he sounds like

893
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: he's just right over the roll of that ridge. We

894
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: get down there, we set up, we start calling nothing

895
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: like man, he's just like gotta be right here. Nothing didn't.

896
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: He didn't bugle anymore. I'm like, man, well, we've walked

897
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: this far, let's walk a little bit further and bugle

898
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: over this next little backside of this little ridge here

899
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: and see if we can get a little better bird's

900
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: eye on him. So we get over there, boom, he

901
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: answers he's not on the ridge we're on. He's across

902
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: this big drainage on the other side of this canyon. Well,

903
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: from our elevated position where we were calling, we could

904
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: hear that bowl from that other side of that other drainage,

905
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: and the sound was traveling straight across that big ridge

906
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: that we were standing on up to us up high.

907
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: So we had this depth perception issue, like we thought

908
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: he was on the ridge when he was another five

909
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: hundred yards or further six hundred yards. The crow flies

910
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: on the other side of this other drainage. So anyway,

911
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: we get down there, I'm like, man, the toc the

912
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: clock is ticking. So we get down there and we

913
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: do a bunch of calling and and it seemed like

914
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: I kind of pinpointed him. And then about the time

915
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: we get him pinpointed, he just shuts up. And I'm like, well,

916
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm feeling pretty low. It's just like, man,

917
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: we're not getting an elk stupid place, Dusty, what did

918
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: I tell you to tell me? What are you supposed

919
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: to be saying to me right now? You fool? I

920
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: felt like a fool, Like, man, I just why do

921
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I come back to this place? This is dumb. I'm

922
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: just I'm wasting my time and spinning my wheels. You

923
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: know I have that all those doubts. You know, this

924
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: is I'm a fraud. I'm a fake. This this doesn't work.

925
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: What am I doing? So we back to the snacks.

926
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: We own some snacks, and snacks always kind of make

927
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: you feel a little better, and you know, get a

928
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: little sugar, and you know those organic mangoes. You know

929
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: you can get a Costco. Those things are so good.

930
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: I ate a bunch of I'm like, I'm gonna eat

931
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: all of.

932
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: Them because this is you're pretty upset.

933
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was eating away my emotions, eating

934
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: my emotions. It's a good thing. We didn't have any beer,

935
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: hammered carry my bow with my pack. But so then

936
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: I got so I was sad, and then I got

937
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: pissed off. I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna do

938
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: my ret melee thing again. I'm just gonna do my whole,

939
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, start out low just and then just go crazy,

940
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: just to do all these crazy bugles, just the nastiest

941
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: lip ball, the nastiest, like almost every breath that was

942
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: lip bawling. And then I had that open reed and

943
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: I was blowing on that thing and I was making

944
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: up stuff. It was like these quick, god awful calls.

945
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: Like if any human would have heard that, there had

946
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: been like, good God, who is down there? What are

947
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: they doing? That sounds terrible? My brother would have got

948
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: up and left. He just shook his head like I'm

949
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: out of here. You're a You're a fool. He had

950
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: a double fool, double fool, you know. And I thought

951
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: this will get that bold to bugle it. And before

952
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: that he would bugle every now and then, but not much,

953
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: just just to just kind of oh, because he was

954
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: bedded across this hillside, you know, and we're approaching the

955
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: mid day out of the twelve o'clock midday madness hour,

956
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: r and I escalated to the to the crescendo, and

957
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: then I stopped, and I was like tea, and he

958
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: didn't bugle. Actually, he went completely radio silent on us.

959
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: So I wish we could have. I wish Dusty could

960
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: have been like taken like eight different angles and me

961
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: doing that, because you guys probably would have been like,

962
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: oh yeah. But I think at that point, Duty just like, hey, yeah, yeah,

963
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: hurry up, get it over with. This is not gonna happen.

964
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: Hurry up. And we got to go, and so we

965
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: just I'm like, I just clammed up. I just clammed

966
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: it up, which you're supposed to do. We set there

967
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: for I don't know, fifteen minutes and then all of

968
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, bam, he answers, he bugles, and it's not

969
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: just the old mony bed bugle like it was a

970
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: It is a pretty good, you know, mature, growy sound

971
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: of bugle almost sounded like a planer, like a woodplaner

972
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: when you put a freaking two by four in the

973
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: old planer and he goes that makes that really gnarly sound.

974
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: Is almost that that level. And I'm like, I look

975
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: at thisy and like we got him. Yeah, do I call? No?

976
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: Do not call? Then pretty soon, you know, he he

977
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: went fifteen minutes without calling, then he bugled, and then

978
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: thirty seconds later bugles again. Pretty soon he bugles again,

979
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, what happened over there. They sounded

980
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: like a party. Now there's no party where everybody go.

981
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: I think I might want to go to the party.

982
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: So I let him bugle three or four times on

983
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: his own, and then I started calling again. But when

984
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: he went and I but I didn't go right to

985
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: the bugle. When he bugled the like when I said, okay,

986
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start answering now, I started giving him these

987
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: cow calls, and I the best way to describe him

988
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: is kind of a longing type cow cal like me,

989
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: like really high pitched long, but then draw it down slow,

990
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: like hey, like I'm talking directly to you, not this jerk.

991
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. Come over here and save us.

992
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: This guy's kind of a jerk. His horns aren't very big.

993
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: I want you to come over it because I think

994
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: you sound pretty hot. That's what I'm trying to tell

995
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: this bull. And when I would do that, he would answer,

996
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: and then I would bugle. So he hadn't moved. He

997
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: had not moved the whole time we were there. And

998
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: as soon as I started doing that, the next thing

999
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: he knew he had moved from his original betting spot

1000
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: halfway down the hill to the crick, which was probably

1001
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: a few hundred yards. You know, pretty soon he bugles again,

1002
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: he's in the crick. I'm like, we got him, Dusty,

1003
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: we got him. So now we have to move like

1004
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: he knows exactly. Elk have radar, they have on X

1005
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: maps built into their brain and their gears. So I'm like,

1006
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: we got to move over here and get ready to

1007
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: waylay him unexpectedly when he climbs up the hill, he'll

1008
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: be just walking up the hell right to where he

1009
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: last heard us, and we're gonna get him. Well, he

1010
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: got that crick. I don't know if he laid in

1011
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: it or he took an extra long drink, if you

1012
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: had to poop. I don't know what happened, but he

1013
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: stood down there forever. It seemed like forever. I'm like,

1014
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get worried. I'm like, where is he?

1015
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: So finally I'm like, okay, so I made some cow

1016
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: calls and a bugle and he answers. I'm like, okay, okay,

1017
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: he's right there. He's and then he climbs up and

1018
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: then he bugles again at like sixty yards, but off

1019
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: to our left, not where we anticipated. Typically on these

1020
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,959
Speaker 1: situations I have, they'll come in on a straight line.

1021
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: Right to me, if they're going to come all the

1022
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: way across that hill, they're not going to do no

1023
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: circle in nonsense. They're going to come in on a

1024
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: straight line. I've had this happen a lot. They just

1025
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: come in on straight line. So I'm expecting him to

1026
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: come in on a straight line. Well he came off

1027
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: that straight line and he was off to our left

1028
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: about sixty yards and we can't see him. It's just

1029
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how we couldn't see him. It was

1030
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: just like it was right there right and I'm like, oh, yeah,

1031
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: well he's going to walk across that little tiny opening

1032
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna zing him. We wait there and we

1033
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: sit there nothing and nothing. And on the film you

1034
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: see this and it it all happens very fast, but

1035
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: I cut out, you know, an hour of us standing

1036
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: there on one foot like waiting for something to happen,

1037
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: and then flies buzzing around. You know, you can hear

1038
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: bees and flies and birds flying over, but I cut

1039
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: all of that out so it speeds up the process

1040
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: to make this video watchable and short. But anyway, I'm like,

1041
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. And then Nick, I'm like,

1042
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: I think, I think the jig's up, Dusty, I think.

1043
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: And then right up to where we where we had

1044
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: our our rutfest party, where we had the cow party,

1045
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: where people were these these elk were rut drunk. They

1046
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: weren't running around, they were cannon balling into the water.

1047
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: They were doing all sorts of crazy stuff. They were

1048
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: saying some stuff that can never be repeated. He was

1049
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: standing right up there by our packs. Yeah, and he

1050
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: barks at us and it starts chuckling. Mind you, this

1051
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: is directly upwind, down wind, down wind. I keep on

1052
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: saying it row It's he was directly down went up

1053
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: the hill, but down went because all the thermals are

1054
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: blowing uphill, so he's he's downwind of uphill and he's

1055
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: barking and chuckling. I'm like, well, he's chuckling, it's just

1056
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: not barking, so maybe there's a chance. So I go

1057
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: into bark chuckle mode. So I start copycatting bark chuckle,

1058
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: And a lot of times the bulls come in and

1059
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: they think something's amiss, or they just want they want

1060
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: to see that other bowl. They will bark like hey,

1061
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: show yourself. So I start barking and chuckling. I'm like, well,

1062
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: maybe he's never smelled people before. I don't know. It

1063
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: don't make any sense to me. But at this point

1064
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: this we're we're in overtime. We're in We're the sudden

1065
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: death overtime. So I bark, chuckle, He barks and chuckles

1066
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: back and forth. We run up the hill, get get

1067
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,479
Speaker 1: up there, and I'm just like, Okay, there's no way

1068
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be He's gonna just bark and chuckle

1069
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: and run off. So I make a bee line. I'm

1070
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: walking and I look up and there that sucker is

1071
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: standing there looking at me, Dusty. He's not right behind me,

1072
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: so he don't see him with the camera, but he

1073
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: does seem kind of escaping. You get a little shot

1074
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: of him escaping through this in the shadows of this

1075
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: tree and I and I don't even have my tube

1076
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: in my hand. I just start because I've drawn my bow.

1077
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: As soon as I see him, I stop, I knock

1078
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: an arrow and draw my bow and I start barking

1079
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: with just my diaphragm in my mouth. I'm like, whoa.

1080
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: I just start barking, and finally he just stops and

1081
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: I've got this little tiny kind of window. The tree

1082
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: is there. I'm like, okay, how far is he? I

1083
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: think I's forty five, maybe forty, I don't know. So

1084
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: I put my forty pin right in the middle of that.

1085
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can see his shoulder right there. I'm like,

1086
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: all right, I send it. It cuts off a branch

1087
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: and the arrow disappears, and then the next thing, you know,

1088
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: I see the bolt run off. I'm like, did I

1089
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: get him? I think I got him, And then he

1090
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: barks at us and chuckles again, like I'm pretty sure

1091
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. So we continue this cat and

1092
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: mouse game of barking and chuckling and advancing, and I

1093
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: would bark and chuckle, he'd bark and chuckle, and I'd

1094
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: run up, you know, as fast as the fat kid

1095
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: can up with that steep hill. It didn't look that

1096
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: steep on the hill on the video, but it's steep

1097
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: as the back of your head. So we're running up

1098
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: the hill as fasts we can, panting out of breath,

1099
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: and every time I hit a flat spot, he would

1100
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: be standing there waiting and I would catch him like

1101
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 1: turning and running because he didn't get a good look

1102
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: at us. He would just hear us coming and he

1103
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: would turn and they would run off off to the

1104
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: next spot about sixty eighty yards bark and chuckle. So

1105
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: we did this leapfrog thing up the hill and finally,

1106
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: the last time I seen him, you can on the

1107
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: video you see just a little little little flash of

1108
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: him disappearing. I'm like, well, the jig is up. So

1109
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: we sit there and man, it's time for the real

1110
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: pity party. Now. It's like, dude, that's it's not the

1111
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: biggest bull I've ever seen and over the counter unit,

1112
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: but it's probably the biggest bowl on over counter unit

1113
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: I've seen in twenty years. I don't want to throw

1114
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: crazy numbers around, but he was a very very big maturable,

1115
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: especially for that country. Usually don't see him that big.

1116
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, I have my petty party. I talk about

1117
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: it a little bit and then we let's go. You know,

1118
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: let's go check the arrow. You know, maybe maybe I've

1119
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: heard bulls bugle that I've got hit before we got

1120
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: we gotta be one hundred percent sure. We go down there,

1121
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: look around, there's the arrow. And as I reached down

1122
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: to get the arrow, he insults her injury by barking

1123
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: and chuckling at us again, and it's like he left,

1124
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: and then he came back and stood right where we

1125
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: were standing the last time when we turned around. So

1126
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: I pick up the arrow. I'm like, well, there's no

1127
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: blood on it and it's clean as a whistle, So

1128
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: I put it away. Dusty, what do we do? Like,

1129
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: I guess we run back up there and see maybe

1130
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: and the whole time I don't understand this. The wind

1131
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: is blowing straight to him. I've never had this happen before.

1132
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: It defies every law of nature and everything that anybody's

1133
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: ever told you. If I had somebody tell me this story,

1134
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: I'd call bullshit, you know. I would be no, that

1135
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: that's not that didn't happen. Okay, all right, Okay, that's

1136
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: what happened. That's what happened. You know. Dusty is my witness.

1137
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: And we go right back up to the same spot

1138
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: and he and he and we kind of did that

1139
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: same cat mouse thing, and he didn't linger that long

1140
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: that time. He kind of just disappeared and quit talking.

1141
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: So at that point we were very sad and we

1142
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: had to walk back down to him. They dropped out

1143
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: probably three hundred feet maybe back down to the packs

1144
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: again and get her packs and then make that long

1145
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: walk out. And it was it was it was a

1146
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: nice day though. It was beautiful. It was really clear.

1147
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: It was probably about eighty degrees, so it was a

1148
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: really good day to trudge through that brush all the

1149
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: way back up to the truck. You know, it was

1150
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: a it was a nasty climb. But and on the

1151
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: way out, what did I say. I'm like, Dusty, yeah,

1152
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: right here, i can start putting some trail cameras. I've

1153
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: got an idea. I could probably hack a little trail

1154
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: over here. I could put some trail cameras right there.

1155
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: And what did you say, you fool? You know, old

1156
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: my nature. She just shook her shook her tail at

1157
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: me again, to shook her old tail feathers at me again.

1158
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was hooked. I was one

1159
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: hundred percent all in coming back next year. I'm like, oh,

1160
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: you don't get away with it.

1161
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: That's all you talked about all the way home, all

1162
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: the way home.

1163
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was trying to convince you. It's just

1164
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: like a good buddy that tries to tries to make

1165
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: tries to legitimize or or you know, talk sense to

1166
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: you and make you not feel like he's an idiot

1167
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: for running back to some crazy girl.

1168
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a nice blough. That was.

1169
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: It still hurts. So basically, the the title of the

1170
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: film is ghost Bowls of the North because these bolts

1171
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: they're like ghosts. If you were to walk up there

1172
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: and look for tracks, you wouldn't see any tracks. And

1173
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: if you're not down in the crap hole where there

1174
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: their antlers are, you're rubbing where theyre rubbing their antlers

1175
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: on trees and stuff, you you would swear there's not

1176
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: a single elk around. There's not a lot of elk around.

1177
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: There's there are very few and far between. But if

1178
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: you figure out where they're at, it can it can

1179
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: be amazing. But they're like ghosts, like some people don't

1180
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts. I took my brother in law up

1181
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: there one summer scouting and he's like, there's no elk.

1182
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: Care in no way, I'm hunting here. I'm like, there's

1183
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: elk here. He's like, I'm not, I'm here. I'm never

1184
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: hunting here. I couldn't talk him into it. This was

1185
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: several years ago when it was better when it was

1186
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: even better than it is now. This is before it's

1187
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: kind of like got to where it is now. It's like,

1188
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: oh so yeah, but they're like ghosts some I had

1189
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: one person one time tell me he called them vampires

1190
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: because he's like, once they shed their velvet, they're like

1191
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: a vampire. He's like, they do not show themselves in

1192
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: the light of day until they start rutting a bit,

1193
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: and then they come out and run around until that's done,

1194
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: and then they just disappear again and just amazing. It's

1195
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Yeah, that's that's a great way to say it. Yeah.

1196
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: So what's your takeaways, Dusty from the film? Do you

1197
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: recommend it? Do you do you wish that? What do

1198
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: you what's your takeaways from the film? Well, people like.

1199
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: It, I think so. I think they would like it.

1200
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: It's a good film. I think it's entertaining. I think

1201
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: it holds your attention the whole time. And yeah, I

1202
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 2: mean it shows the reality of what most elk hunting

1203
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: is like. Yeah, you get close encounters and then nothing

1204
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: and then close encounter nothing. It's an up and up

1205
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: hill downhill battle, just like hiking those hills. That's exactly

1206
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 2: what it is.

1207
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, great film, Yeah, and I think it just you know,

1208
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: it just shows that every every season can't be a ten.

1209
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: Right.

1210
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: I've had some tens up there, and I've had some

1211
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: zero's up there. That was kind of a zero not

1212
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: to tag. But it was fun. We learned a lot

1213
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: of stuff again, you know, we got into some new

1214
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: places I'd never hiked in before, and we hit some

1215
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: old some of the old spots and my old favorite

1216
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: spots and didn't have a dang thing. We hiked in

1217
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: behind this gated road for it felt like hours one day.

1218
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: We hiked and hiked and it was form. We hiked in,

1219
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: you know for like noon, We're going to get up

1220
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: in there and be ready for the evening hunt. Just

1221
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 1: stack them up. We get up there and it looked

1222
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: like there had never been an elk in there in

1223
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: the last ten years. It was just ghost town. No

1224
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: no fresh scat. There was some old white scot from

1225
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: like last year, no rubs, no tracks, And it wasn't

1226
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: that many years ago that every year, any day of

1227
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, the last part of September, you could could

1228
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: hear a bull in there, if not kill one. So

1229
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: you know, the landscape changes every year. So that's another

1230
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,839
Speaker 1: big takeaway. You know, if you have your favorite places,

1231
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: no matter where you're at, no matter what state, no

1232
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: matter what kind of place it is, you know, from

1233
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: year to year it changes a lot of times. It

1234
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: depends on snowpack, it depends on the moisture you get

1235
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: in the summer, elk, or just in different places. You know,

1236
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: they're not always in those spots, so you have to

1237
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: be willing to branch out and try other places, try

1238
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: different tactics. And another thing is you just can't give up.

1239
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: Like it's easy, easy to get up, give up at

1240
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: that point when the cards are down, but you just

1241
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: have to have that faith. You have to ride that

1242
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: that leap of faith or have that little faith. It's like,

1243
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: this will happen because I know it'll happen because I've

1244
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: been there before. I've had success before doing these same

1245
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: things and these similar type places, and it's going to happen.

1246
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: And you just have to hold that faith because if

1247
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: you don't, if you give up and go home, you lose.

1248
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: If you stay, there's there's still a chance to win.

1249
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, well are you ready to go back there

1250
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: this year? Fool? I kind of knew that was coming.

1251
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: But Dusty, hear me out, hear me out. I'm gonna

1252
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: put some trail cameras up there, and I'm sure you are.

1253
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: I have some sitting up there. I put them. I

1254
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: last summer, I went up and I put trail cams out.

1255
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: Again I'm and they're still there. Like I'm gonna go

1256
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: this summer, check though, pull the cards and devise a plan,

1257
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: and we're going to be back in there again. And

1258
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: then this time it's going to be different. She's gonna

1259
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: love me forever. This time. You are a fool. Oh

1260
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. I always enjoy your company. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: the conversation, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It was fun reminiscing again on those hunts,

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Speaker 2: even though it didn't get one, it was that's blast,

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Speaker 2: so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Where can people find you on? On the

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Speaker 1: socials and the interwebs.

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Speaker 2: And Instagram is U d F Productions d o F

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Speaker 2: Productions and then same websites do F Productions dot Com.

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Speaker 2: And I'm also on Facebook, but I'm just under my

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Speaker 2: name Dusty Rupe, So.

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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right cool, and uh yeah, go

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Speaker 1: give him a follow. I keep telling Dusty, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you're creative you've got the juices you need to need

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Speaker 1: to make some cool, cool reels. That's the new thing.

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Speaker 1: That's the new cool thing on Instagram reels. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to compete with TikTok, right, and yeah, you

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Speaker 1: just need to get myself out there. Get yourself out

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Speaker 1: there with some of those reels. If anybody needs a

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Speaker 1: camera guy when I'm not using him, hit him up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'd definitely like to follow you around the Elkwood's deerwoods,

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Speaker 1: fishing woods, fish I mean yeah, yeah, or maybe your

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Speaker 1: small business and need a little bit of help, you know,

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Speaker 1: doing some cool film to promote your stuff. If we

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Speaker 1: can talk. Yeah, but yep, thanks again, and thanks everybody

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Speaker 1: for listening. We'll catch you on the next episode. And remember,

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Speaker 1: monsters are coming. I always say that I keep just

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Speaker 1: going on to those next ghost bowls as there's a

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Speaker 1: monster coming. All right, I'm ready. Thanks