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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: How look have you been doing the tours for in?

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Speaker 2: Is it in Connecticut?

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Speaker 3: Specifically?

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Speaker 4: So I have tours in Connecticut and in Georgia right now,

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Speaker 4: so I'm kind of going between places and have teams

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Speaker 4: in both places right now, which kind of honors my

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Speaker 4: family heritage. But I started doing the tours in Mystic

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Speaker 4: Connecticut in twenty thirteen, so this is our thirteenth year

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Speaker 4: of doing haunted history tours.

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Speaker 2: What is it that sparked your fascination at about all

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Speaker 2: of the haunted history and the paranormal in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about your story.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I think it's really a mix of things. I

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Speaker 4: tell folks I grew up in New England, and New

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Speaker 4: England is no stranger to haunted occurrences and creepy old places,

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Speaker 4: and so if you grow up in New England, you'll

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Speaker 4: grow up in a house with creaky floorboards and flickering

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Speaker 4: lights oftentimes. But when I was getting older, the haunted

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Speaker 4: activity in our house to escalate, and more frightening things

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Speaker 4: seemed to happen. And it was around the time that

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Speaker 4: my father was running a business called post mortem cleanup,

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Speaker 4: and he was cleaning up homicides and suicides and it

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Speaker 4: was supplementing his police officer work. And my mom is

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Speaker 4: Irish Catholic, and so you know, we're inherently a little superstitious.

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Speaker 4: So she was calling the priest of the house, you know,

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Speaker 4: telling him it was haunted, and he didn't feel like

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Speaker 4: it was something he could help too much with. He

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Speaker 4: thought it was beyond him, and so he and some

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Speaker 4: other folks referred our family to Ed and Lorraine Warren

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Speaker 4: and they came to my house when I was fifteen.

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Speaker 4: So that initial experience with the paranormal, I think, was

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Speaker 4: always something I sort of wanted to understand later in

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Speaker 4: my life. But on a more nerdy note, I guess,

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Speaker 4: or factual note, my father was a history major, and

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Speaker 4: he read me history books as bedtime stories. My mother

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Speaker 4: was a teacher, and so I was raised with a

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Speaker 4: great love of history, and that's something that never really

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Speaker 4: left me. And so the idea of being able to

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Speaker 4: sort of combine the two and see how folklore and

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Speaker 4: tradition and storytelling have changed the landscape of America and

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Speaker 4: made us all who we are also helped me understand

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Speaker 4: the paranormal, and that's why I love giving the tours

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Speaker 4: and explaining the nuances of that in these regions to

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Speaker 4: our guests.

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Speaker 2: Now, who are the characters you just explained Ed and

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Speaker 2: Lorraine Warren? They sound significant in your life?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean I think now they've become sort of

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Speaker 4: well known in the scheme of the paranormal because of

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Speaker 4: the Hollywood films, The Conjuring and Annabelle. So now I

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Speaker 4: just sort of presume people in the horn paranormal worlds

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Speaker 4: know them because those movies were loosely based on the

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Speaker 4: real folks. But they were a couple that resided in Connecticut,

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Speaker 4: and controversial though they may be, they were really pioneers

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Speaker 4: in the idea of paranormal investment, mitigation and home cleansings

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Speaker 4: and things like that. And because they were a Catholic

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Speaker 4: was you know, right for them to call because they

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Speaker 4: pioneer of ghost hunting and Lorraine being a psychic come

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Speaker 4: I think it was sort of a definitely a core

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Speaker 4: say influenced at least my curiosity in the paranormal of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thig a celebrity in your own home.

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Speaker 2: So tell me a little bit about Tell me about

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Speaker 2: your history specifically, so as you went through this, and

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Speaker 2: this is your upbringing, so you're used to having these

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Speaker 2: conversations about the paranormal and ghosts and living in this way.

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Speaker 2: What led you to becoming working for the FBI and

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Speaker 3: How did you get into that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's really funny. Even though I grew up

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Speaker 4: But even back when I was growing up in the

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Speaker 4: at the end of my college career, the Bureau was hiring.

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Speaker 4: There was a hiring blitz at that time, which was

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Speaker 4: I was not loving city life. I kind of missed

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Speaker 4: an opportunity that arose with Homeland Security and worked in

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Speaker 4: and I was like, that's my dream. And yes, she

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Speaker 4: was a wonderful mentor to me. And you know, much

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Speaker 4: to the dismay of my mother, I left my very

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Speaker 4: started writing haunted history books and just dove into my passion.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it was on a hope and a

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Speaker 4: prayer and no plan. I don't to tell people, maybe

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Speaker 4: not the most advisable, but it worked out.

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Speaker 3: It's working out for you know. That's great.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the experience it's like, some of

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Speaker 2: your favorite experiences that you've had, especially in Mystic, Connecticut,

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Speaker 2: And can you tell us a little bit about the

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, Mystic is this beautiful seaport community that's in far

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Speaker 4: just sort of this very nautical vibe, and I've always

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Speaker 4: But they also have a rich Indigenous history there with

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Speaker 4: some of the early settlers actually burned Fort Mystic, which

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Speaker 4: so Mystic always had those deep roots. But it also

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Speaker 4: all this really rich early American history that's there, for

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Speaker 4: captains who didn't make it home, cryptids that lurk in

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Speaker 5: And I know you're gonna want someth after hearing this.

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Speaker 5: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine

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Speaker 5: years old now, was suffering with not just one or

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to

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Speaker 6: Actually that got me thinking about it. I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 1: It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 1: see that it would work.

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Speaker 5: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 7: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 7: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 7: The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 7: you know one the size for the warner. I thought,

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Speaker 7: no way, that's gonna wow, that's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 7: see them get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 6: It's great to see. I'm so happy and yeah.

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Speaker 5: Confident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 6: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.

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Speaker 3: TI, this is awesome.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 4: I had experiences when I'm there, but nothing that I

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Speaker 4: and I like that. It's always when you're looking that

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Speaker 4: Daniel packer In, there was a seven year old girl

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Speaker 4: great grand niece of this seafaring fellow who created this

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Speaker 4: journals documenting them and this building for years that guests

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Speaker 4: can peruse while they're dining, right, she had this little

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Speaker 4: And she said, well, I suppose I should tell you

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Speaker 4: And I've hosted events there since where we've watched like

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Speaker 4: She's so playful, and they sent us constant footage of

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Speaker 4: Occasionally you might feel uncomfortable, but it's mostly because we

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Speaker 2: It does give you kind of a sense of security

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, we don't know

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Speaker 4: someone doing that because they know I'm there talking to them.

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Speaker 4: But I know that that shows that there's a powerful

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Speaker 4: and that in and of itself is comforting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and it's it would be great if

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Speaker 2: these somehow we could summon that energy, especially if it's

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Speaker 3: Is the right Was there for.

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Speaker 2: A time where you saw this and multiple people saw

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Speaker 2: it at the same time, not just you, but other

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So a lot a lot of times. That's

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Speaker 4: how I would always teach myself, you know that it

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Speaker 4: anything that's with me or any of my friends feeling anything,

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Speaker 4: or any of my guests seeing anything. One time, I

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Speaker 4: walked right out and heard drumming and we heard music,

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Speaker 4: and it was a bit of a stormy day. So

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Speaker 4: we thought that that was interesting that the reenactors, wherever

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Speaker 4: We just heard the music. And so we were walking

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Speaker 4: I kind of was bums that I didn't record the sound.

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Speaker 4: And my friend was like, you should just put your

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Speaker 4: sort of mouthed to her, do you hear it? She

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Speaker 4: goes yes, And so we both made sure our cameras

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Speaker 4: we all heard this in person and realized in that

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Speaker 4: the wheat field started, and the exact time of day

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Speaker 4: when we heard the second music was when it ended.

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Speaker 4: And so that was showing me that there was something

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Speaker 2: That just got frozen in time. I mean, that was

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Speaker 2: such a long time ago.

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Speaker 4: Too, eighteen sixty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I w if if it's just because you are

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Speaker 3: But you said other people did too, right.

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Speaker 4: They heard it too. I will sometimes do things, and

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Speaker 4: investigator's test. I'll sometimes play music from that era. When

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Speaker 4: is a spirit, would this trigger them? Would this be

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Speaker 4: a song they're familiar with, because I think that's something

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Speaker 4: you know, I would come back for music, So I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe they would too, or at least it

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Speaker 4: But interestingly enough, even in Gettysburg, there were soldiers who

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Speaker 4: fought there in eighteen sixty three who swore they saw

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Speaker 4: the ghost of George Washington from the seventeen eighties, you know,

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Speaker 4: long before they were there the twentieth Maine said that

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Speaker 4: they saw the ghost of George Washington leading them up

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Speaker 4: to their position on little Roundtop. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe there's just no sense of time when it comes

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