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Speaker 2: Everyone, exciting day because this is actually although numbered episode

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Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty two Hurdles, eight hundredth episode, which

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The Drill Hurdles a wellness focused podcast where I talk

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Speaker 2: to inspirational people about everything from their highest hies and

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Speaker 2: toughest moments to essential tips on how to live a healthier, happier,

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Speaker 2: more motivated life. We all go through our fair share

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Speaker 1: For today's episode.

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Speaker 2: is launching their annual Wellness Trends Report this coming week,

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Speaker 2: so appreciative of what she does, the content that they

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Speaker 2: loved this conversation. Make sure you check out their wellness trends.

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Thanks. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: you're not actually vacationing, or maybe you just pack your

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Speaker 1: day full of activities so you want to check everything

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Speaker 1: off the bucket list, you want to see every site

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Speaker 1: in the town that you're in. You want to do

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Speaker 1: it for the gram, right, And so this is all

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Speaker 1: about maybe a little bit of a rejection of that,

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Speaker 1: just like leaning out a little bit more slowing down.

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Speaker 1: So what if you sleep until eleven am one day?

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Speaker 1: What if you say, in your hotel room and you

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Speaker 1: order room service, right, you actually come back from your

447
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Speaker 1: vacation feeling truly rested, truly restored, and you know, showing

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Speaker 1: up like ready then to show up for the people

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Speaker 1: around you even more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this sentiment.

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Speaker 2: I am someone who when I commit to going on vacation,

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Speaker 2: I truly try to set it up so I don't

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Speaker 2: have like any second thoughts about the things that I

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Speaker 2: want to do. And so a tool that I use

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Speaker 2: to make sure that my vacations are actually restorative. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not like, oh, should I have that glass of

457
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Speaker 2: wine or should I go get this massage. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: you do exactly what you want to do. And that

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Speaker 2: is because I have a separate vacation bank account. So

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Speaker 2: every month I put a certain amount of money into

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Speaker 2: this separate account, and so by the time that I

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Speaker 2: finally go on my vacation, I don't think twice. I'm like,

463
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Speaker 2: this is exactly what this money is for. And now

464
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Speaker 2: I have no qualms about doing the things that I

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Speaker 2: want to do, and that helps to make it more

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Speaker 2: restorative instead of like having an inherent amount of guilt.

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, I'm already in this nice place, and

468
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Speaker 2: I already spent this much to come here, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: but now you're really going to go all in, right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Right. Financial wellness is also one of the trends

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Speaker 1: that we're looking at this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But

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Speaker 1: the one other thing too that I will add on

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Speaker 1: that is just from an accessibility perspective. When we talk

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Speaker 1: about restorative tourism too, we don't even mean that you

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Speaker 1: have to go somewhere totally exotic, right, Like this could

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Speaker 1: be a staycation as well. Like this could be you

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Speaker 1: block off a weekend where you say to yourself, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give myself permission to go to bed at

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Speaker 1: eight pm. Right, I'm going to give myself permission to

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Speaker 1: enjoy that restorative moment and give myself that break. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's like you just slow down, Like I know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's really hard with young kids to do that. But

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Speaker 1: maybe you make a week d where you don't make

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Speaker 1: any plans, right, you just try to hang out and

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Speaker 1: go to bed early, drink lots of water, have some

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Speaker 1: home cooked meals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're basically talking about my every Sunday

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Speaker 2: night going to bed at APM. So I am all

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Speaker 2: about restorative living. Candidly, the dream, the dream EIGHTPM bedtime.

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Speaker 3: Is oh dream.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I just get there and I'm like, it's time.

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Speaker 2: It's time to crash at APM. But in terms of destinations,

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Speaker 2: maybe for someone that is interested in embracing recovery tourism,

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Speaker 2: we've of course addressed that you don't need to go

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Speaker 2: anywhere exotic. But have you noticed or seen a rise

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Speaker 2: in any specific locations that people are seeking this recovery vibe?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that we've seen a huge rise,

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Speaker 1: but I do think that like the Caribbean and sort

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Speaker 1: people seem to find themselves, or that the tropical locations

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Speaker 1: I guess of the soul and of yourself and maybe

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Speaker 1: but sometimes I think like there's a link there with

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Speaker 2: You said that there's a tie here with our money journey,

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Speaker 2: the emotional relationship that we have with money. I talked

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Speaker 2: about how I have set some parameters in terms of

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Speaker 2: travel with my bank accounts. But what else is there

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Speaker 2: to highlight about our emotional journey with money as a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that we know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are nervous about their finances. We've seen from various surveys

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Speaker 1: that's something like forty three percent of women actively worry

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Speaker 1: about their finances. We've also seen like the next generation

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Speaker 1: of you know, Gen Z of people coming up that

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Speaker 1: they're sort of rejecting a lot of the traditional milestones

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Speaker 1: in life, like buying a home, having kids, these sort

553
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Speaker 1: of really big expenditures potentially because they're they're worried about

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Speaker 1: their finances. So I think because we're living in that

555
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Speaker 1: climate now, we were starting to finally see the reaction

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Speaker 1: to that, which is people saying we need to take control.

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Speaker 1: We need to have these conversations around financial onness because

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Speaker 1: it is so intrinsically linked to your mental health and

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Speaker 1: to your overall wellbeing. Right Like, if you know where

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Speaker 1: your next paycheck is coming from, if you know you

561
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Speaker 1: can put food on your table, right, you're not living

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Speaker 1: in a food and secure environment, This is going to

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Speaker 1: help your mental health so much more, right Like, it's

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Speaker 1: a no brainer. So I think that I think that

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Speaker 1: that's really where we are starting to link these financial

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Speaker 1: conversations to an overall sense of wellness.

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Speaker 3: How do we get there?

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Speaker 2: It sounds so great and buzzy and wonderful, right for

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Speaker 2: so many people they think financial freedom is literally the

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Speaker 2: biggest goal of my entire being. But for so many

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Speaker 2: because of so many different considerations, it feels impossible.

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Speaker 3: So the question is how do we find financial freedom?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think this sounds really boring, But a lot

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Speaker 1: of the financial advisors that we spoke to for our trends,

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Speaker 1: they said it starts very simply it starts with a budget. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, that is the un sexiest advice in the world.

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Speaker 1: You're like, this is so mundane. We're here to talk

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Speaker 1: about ten This is not buzzy, but it's so true.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're going to write it down, whether you want

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Speaker 1: to keep a spreadsheet on your computer, but keeping track

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Speaker 1: of what are you spending your money on, how much

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Speaker 1: do you have to spend every month? If you're looking

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Speaker 1: to save, where can you cut where can you cut back?

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Speaker 1: This is something I know personally that you know, I

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Speaker 1: was very lucky for a while. I had a partner,

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Speaker 1: we had a dual income, we didn't have kids. And

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, we do have kids, and

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, we are much much much

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Speaker 1: more conscious of keeping track of that budget every single

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Speaker 1: month and kind of like doing the boring work right

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Speaker 1: of saying like, you know what, maybe maybe we don't

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Speaker 1: do that this month. You know, maybe we save a

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Speaker 1: little bit, maybe we tuck something away for a vacation fund. Right,

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Speaker 1: And so then you're making those decisions about what are

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Speaker 1: the priorities in your life, what's going to serve your

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Speaker 1: mental well being? Not necessarily in the moment, but for

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Speaker 1: the long term. Is it better for you to save

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Speaker 1: a little bit now for that restorative vacation that you

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Speaker 1: really want to take, or for you to have that

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Speaker 1: lurge purchase or to out for that class of wine.

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Speaker 1: And the answer can be different on different days. Right

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Speaker 1: maybe there is the day where you're like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I really need this class of wine. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go out to a restaurant and do

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Speaker 1: that right now. But it's all about making those decisions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 2: I think that as we see with habits too, Sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's easier to exercise a bad habit because you get

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Speaker 2: that immediate payoff, whether that is a bad habit like

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Speaker 2: smoking or a bad habit like alcohol consumption or something.

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Speaker 2: But in the long term it's not so good. Whereas

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Speaker 2: good habits are harder to foster. They're harder to commit

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Speaker 2: to because you might not get that immediate payoff. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I go for a run, but I'm still not down

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Speaker 2: the twenty pounds that I was hoping, and so keeping

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Speaker 2: running as a part of your active routine might feel

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Speaker 2: really difficult. The same goes with budgeting and spending. It's

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Speaker 2: like in that moment that spend might feel really good,

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Speaker 2: but it might not get you where you want to

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Speaker 2: be in the long term.

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Speaker 1: I can appreciate this. Yeah, and it's unsuxy, right. Like

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing too. It's like when we talk

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Speaker 1: about habits again, sometimes the framing of it it can

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Speaker 1: sound a little bit boring. If I call it a

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Speaker 1: ritual instead, doesn't that make it feel better? Buzzy? Right? Yeah? Right?

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Speaker 1: But if I told you, like if I said, I

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Speaker 1: sit down with my Excel sheet and I light a

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Speaker 1: candle and I have my tea and my ritual of budgeting, right,

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Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: It's all of a sudden so sexy at me, so sexy.

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Speaker 1: So I think you do what you need to do

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Speaker 1: to kind of like make this possible in your life,

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Speaker 1: knowing that you're making an investment in your future.

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Speaker 2: Of note, there's a podcast that I listen to sporadically

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Speaker 2: called Money with Katie, and Katie has really great budgeting

636
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Speaker 2: tools for anyone that is seeking an Excel spreadsheet.

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Speaker 3: So let's make sure I'm giving Katie a little bit

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Speaker 3: of love. Unhurdle. I got to give some love to

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Speaker 3: a fellow podcast I love that I love that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we've talked about money, We've talked about travel,

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Speaker 2: We've talked about soft versus hard wellness. I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about the solo journey. This is something I am

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Speaker 2: heavily integrated in myself. Alone time gets a rebrand, what's

644
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Speaker 2: the rebrand? Talk to me about this trend.

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Speaker 1: This is party of one, right, So we are talking

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Speaker 1: about celebrating the individual, celebrating time to yourself in an

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Speaker 1: overbooked and overcrowded world. Right, Really, finding that time to

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Speaker 1: be by yourself, to be with your thoughts, to look

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Speaker 1: inward is so so important. I know you're you can

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Speaker 1: speak about this personally obviously, because you do a lot

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Speaker 1: of solo travel. On the other hand, for me, I

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Speaker 1: consider myself to be part of the Sandwich generation, where

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Speaker 1: I'm caring for older parents and I'm caring for very

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Speaker 1: young children. And you know, there's the joke among moms

655
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Speaker 1: of like locking yourself in the bathroom is like the

656
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Speaker 1: only way that you get solo time. But it is

657
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: very true that like the only like like finding that time,

658
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Speaker 1: carving out that time for myself. For me, it's still

659
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: a workout. It's a morning workout and having that time

660
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: to myself is so so vital to feel recharged, to

661
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: feel like I can come back and show up for

662
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: my friends and family. But yeah, we're talking about doing

663
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: everything solo right, making those solo restaurant reservations. We know

664
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Speaker 1: according to Open Table, they said that solo restaurant dining

665
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: is up like twenty nine percent year over year. There's

666
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Speaker 1: a huge percentage of people that have also said that

667
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: they have booked they're planning to book more than five

668
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Speaker 1: solo trips in twenty twenty five. Wow. And then the

669
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Speaker 1: other types of solo time too, right, masturbation, just like

670
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: enjoying pleasure on your own. I think all of these

671
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: things are really important to talk about in our wellness conversation.

672
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: In our wellness conversation, I think that the thing that

673
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: really clicked for me years ago, and I've been doing

674
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Speaker 2: solo travel, solo living for a better part of the

675
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Speaker 2: last ten years.

676
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Speaker 1: At this point.

677
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Speaker 2: But what worked for me was when I stopped viewing

678
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: it as though I was doing something wrong because I

679
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: couldn't find someone to do the things that I wanted

680
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: to do with me. I got tired of being like, well,

681
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: I want to go to this place for dinner. I

682
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: want to go to this destination. And yes, there are

683
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Speaker 2: perks about doing those things with somebody else, but there

684
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Speaker 2: are just as many perks when you take the time

685
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Speaker 2: to do it on your own.

686
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think it's and it can be such

687
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Speaker 1: an empowered experience to know that you can do these

688
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: things on your own. I think you know something really wonderful,

689
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: and I know that you have talked about this, so

690
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say because

691
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: something that I get a lot of questions about. And

692
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Speaker 1: as we were talking about this trend among the staff,

693
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Speaker 1: people were saying, how do I but how do I

694
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Speaker 1: go to a restaurant by myself? Like, like, how do

695
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: I go in and feel confident? Like telling the waiter

696
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: and like nope, just me And I think, and I

697
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: know this is something that you have posted about before,

698
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Speaker 1: so I'd love to hear your.

699
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Speaker 3: Advice on this.

700
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Speaker 2: I'm like, Amy, do you want me to set up

701
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: a solo date for you? Because I can give you

702
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: all of the parameters for me there are. It depends

703
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: on the date because sometimes it's the end of the

704
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: day and I'm coming from like point A to point

705
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: A or point B. But I decide, like I really

706
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: want to treat myself, and so I'll take myself out

707
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: to dinner and then I will like have my phone

708
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: with me at dinner. But if it's something that I

709
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: can plan far enough in advance, and maybe I say, today,

710
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking at my calendar for the next three weeks.

711
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: I actually have three different trips for work in the

712
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: next three weeks.

713
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Speaker 1: It's going to be a bit hectic.

714
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Speaker 3: I'm going to when I'm in Austin.

715
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: Next week on Wednesday night, take myself to dinner at

716
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: this restaurant that was featured on Chef's Table. Okay, cool,

717
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: I know this. I'm excited about going there for dinner.

718
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: When I'm there, I'm probably going to go with a

719
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: book or with my journal so that I can write

720
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: and be like where I'm at and be where my

721
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: feed are. And also I want to be open to

722
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: what's happening around me, because I think that that is

723
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: such a critical component of doing things on your own,

724
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: is truly being immersed in the experience. And if you're

725
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: going to sit there and you're going to scroll on

726
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 2: your phone or you're going to be looking at social media,

727
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: then in my eyes, it's kind of like, what's the

728
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 2: point now. I do recognize that there needs to be

729
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: a entry point, right, So, if you are someone who

730
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Speaker 2: is getting accustomed to the idea of spending time on

731
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: your own, you might go to dinner by yourself. And

732
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Speaker 2: that's a huge step as it is, so maybe you

733
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: will use your phone, but I would encourage you as

734
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Speaker 2: you get more comfortable with this idea of doing things

735
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: one on one with yourself, that you just spend the

736
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: time with yourself truly, don't involve anyone else into your experience.

737
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Speaker 3: This is your time, it's your gift.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I love that you talk about,

739
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, journaling and or having a book with you,

740
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: but doing something that's not on your phone. I think

741
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: that it is It does allow you to be more present.

742
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: You're more likely to kind of look up, consider the

743
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: atmosphere around you, enjoy. Right, You're probably in a beautiful

744
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: location and a beautiful restaurant, and I think that it's

745
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: so important. I mean, and the other thing allded to

746
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: that too is through that process, then being more present

747
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: as you're eating and taking the time to really enjoy

748
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: the flavor and the taste of your food and appreciate

749
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Speaker 1: all of the hard work that went into preparing that meal.

750
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Speaker 1: That kind of mindful eating can also just be a

751
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: really wonderful experience.

752
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: My favorite thing about solo travel also is like the

753
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: people that you meet along the way and just being

754
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: open to your surroundings. I have a crazy story. I

755
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: have gone to Florence a handful of times now. It

756
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: started on the first trip with my family, and I've

757
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: since been back three or four times on my own.

758
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Speaker 1: And I have these spots that.

759
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: I go to every time I'm in Italy, and one

760
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: of them is this small panini shop near the ponte

761
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: Vecchio called Eno. It's owned by this adorable man named Alessandro.

762
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: I The last time I was there was maybe a

763
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Speaker 2: year ago. I'm just like, I'm not positive, but maybe

764
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: let's say it was a year ago. And him and

765
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: I follow each other on Instagram, et cetera. I am

766
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: walking on Tuesday night of this week by Italy in

767
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: Madison Square Park and I'm on the phone and I

768
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: hear my name and it is Alessandro from Eno. He's like, Emily, like,

769
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: oh my god, Lauren, I must go. When I hang

770
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 2: up my call, and I'm like, what are you doing here?

771
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: And it was just like such like I felt like

772
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: I was in a movie. I was like, who's filming this?

773
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: Who's here? But he's so cute. He's here for work.

774
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: He's opening up an eno in Los Angeles. So everyone's

775
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: stay tuned. He told me, gave me the life update.

776
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: But I was like, this is what's so magical about

777
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: being where your feet are and meeting new people, And

778
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: just like it was, Yeah, that was wild.

779
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: It's really cool. That is an amazing story. It's because Mett, like,

780
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: that's that's so cool. And I think again to your point, like,

781
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: it's only when you start to slow down. It's only

782
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: when you start to sort of you know, open yourself

783
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: up and I think, like live a bit more intentionally

784
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: that you start to see these connections on your journey

785
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: right on your on your on your actual literal journey

786
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: to Florence and back to New York, but on a

787
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: more you know, metaphoric sense too.

788
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: And now for our last trend, we are going to

789
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: talk about the nature journey. Society embraces biophilia. Tell us

790
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: what biophilia is.

791
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, biophilia is just a love of nature, right, so

792
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, we know that going out into nature helps

793
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: us heal. I think we know that on an intrinsic level,

794
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: like deep down, that when we go outside and we

795
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: see trees and we see birds and we breathe some

796
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: fresh air, that we feel better and we actually now,

797
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: of course, we have a lot of hard you know,

798
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: sign it's a lot of hard data to kind of

799
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: back this up. I think during the COVID pandemic, for example,

800
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: people really did start to discover again the wonder of

801
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: being outside and the beauty of like being out in nature,

802
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: and that is a trend that we have not seen

803
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: slow down in a post pandemic world. We know that

804
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: people are going outside now more than ever. I think,

805
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, from a brain perspective, right, like humans from

806
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: an evolutionary perspective, have spent like ninety nine percent of

807
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: their evolutionary lives like living outdoors, and now all of

808
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, we spend ninety percent of our time indoors,

809
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: and our brains haven't really caught up, Like they're still

810
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: craving to see that green space, to see that nature.

811
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Speaker 1: So I think this is a trend that we've seen

812
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: growing over the past couple of years, and I think

813
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: it's just going to continue to take off.

814
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me, I often start my day

815
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: with a run outside, but even after that moment, I

816
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: have established it for myself that I need to be

817
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: outside before I come back in and be at my

818
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: dad and in a slower capacity. Like it's one thing

819
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: to be sprinting past a certain landmark near my apartment,

820
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: but it's a completely different thing to like get outside

821
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: and be like and like literally just take a deep

822
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: breath and be like, Okay, this is my five minutes

823
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: in nature. And I'm using air quotes because my nature

824
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn is very different than nature nature, but it's

825
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: what I have, and it's what's available to me, and

826
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: it helps me feel like my best self. So that

827
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: again we talked about this before my oxygen mask is on,

828
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: and then I can help everybody else with what they've

829
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: got going on.

830
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you actually you bring up such a great

831
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: point too, because it's you don't have to go far, right.

832
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: We talk about living in this urban jungle or whatever, right,

833
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: but we also know that just having a water element

834
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: in your apartment, just having a plant in your apartment,

835
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: like having these little elements of nature, maybe you're starting

836
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: to put up a Christmas tree. I don't mean it's me,

837
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: but like, these are the things that will improve your mood.

838
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: They will help to kind of like reset your mind

839
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. We all know plant parents and the

840
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: joy that they get from taking care of those plants.

841
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: You know.

842
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: I read something the other day that it was like

843
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: the hiking economy is going to reach something like an

844
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Speaker 1: estimated nine point one billion globally by twenty twenty eight.

845
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: So people are craving this and there, and consumers are

846
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: willing to invest in it. Right, So just you know,

847
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: again speaking from a little bit more of the business

848
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: side of things, we know that this is something that

849
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: people care very deeply about because they're willing to spend

850
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: like their hard earned money on it.

851
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: What do you when you think about the year to come,

852
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: and you think about your hard earned money, and you

853
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: think about everything we've just talked on, is there a

854
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: certain aspect or a certain thing that you're more likely

855
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: to invest in in twenty twenty five?

856
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: You know, I think it is. I think it's going

857
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: to be experiences and time with my family. I think

858
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Speaker 1: if I could attach myself to one of the trends,

859
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: I would say that I might try to go for

860
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Speaker 1: the biophilia one, just like getting outdoors more often, be

861
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: more present with them in outdoor places, and getting outside

862
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 1: of our time. You know, we live in New York, say,

863
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: getting outside of our tiny apartment. And I am also

864
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: such a baby in the winter. I'm from Florida originally,

865
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: so when the temperature drops below like sixty, I'm just like, well,

866
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm indoors until May of next year. So I think

867
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Speaker 1: it's also just about like me getting outside of my

868
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: actual comfort zone to go outside, to embrace the cold

869
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 1: air in the cold weather, and to play, right, play

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Speaker 1: a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit more, play a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: I have to know before I let you go today,

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Speaker 2: when you guys are solidifying these wellness trends, like what's

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Speaker 2: that look like? Is there a debate who is like

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Speaker 2: advocating for a certain one? Do things get shoved to

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Speaker 2: the side, like how does this work for us? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wow, things absolutely get shoved to the side. There are

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Speaker 1: so many trends that I think like could have gone

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Speaker 1: into this or things that we're also kind of keeping

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Speaker 1: on the periphery that we're keeping an eye on that

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Speaker 1: are not part of our consolidated list this year, but

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Speaker 1: that you know, might make an appearance on the website

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Speaker 1: throughout next year, throughout twenty twenty five. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of research that goes into it. There's you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of this is so nerdy, this is so geeky.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of you know, research and

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Speaker 1: sort of like brand groups that are doing these kinds

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Speaker 1: of insights into consumer behavior, into spending patterns, you know,

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Speaker 1: looking at all kinds of global market trends, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we're digging into that research. It's kind of it's

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Speaker 1: kind of nerdy, it's kind of geeky, it's very it's

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Speaker 1: very B to B feeling. But that's that's genuinely how

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Speaker 1: we look at trends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. It's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: I just imagine it intuition, right, because we're journalists, and

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Speaker 1: so there's also this like guts feeling about it. I'll

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Speaker 1: add that as the last one too.

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Speaker 2: I like envision it being like a big conference room

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Speaker 2: and everyone is like, I think this is a trend,

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Speaker 2: now I think this is the trend, and going back

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Speaker 2: and forth. But then like also the terminology like hard

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Speaker 2: versus soft wellness. I was sitting down with one of

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Speaker 2: your writers. The other day, CR Lucas and we were

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Speaker 2: talking and she was telling me about this concept, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I've never heard it called soft wellness before,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate whoever came together and grouped it in

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Speaker 2: that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as editors, we're always kind of

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Speaker 1: trying to package things and to put a word on

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Speaker 1: a thing in a way that will make it feel

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Speaker 1: appropriate and digestible and accessible and accessible.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm so happy that you were able to come

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Speaker 2: through the studio today and talk to me about these trends.

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Speaker 2: For those that want to either follow along with you,

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Speaker 2: follow along with Well and Good, give them the details

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Speaker 2: so that they can keep up.

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Speaker 1: So all of the trends will be on Well Andgood

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Instagram at I

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Speaker 1: Am Well and Good and you can find me on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at a I Singer.

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Speaker 2: Don't say it like a question like that, like I

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Speaker 2: want to find you and your cute kids and your

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Speaker 2: cute outdoor wellness routines on the socials.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you can find me there at a I

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Speaker 1: Singer and our trends are out in December beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emilybody and at Hurdle Podcast another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 1: Catch you guys next time.

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