1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Zekia. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 2: You know me, okay, and you know that my social 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: media platform of choice currently is TikTok. Yes, but I 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: feel like you're a strong Instagram user too. I have 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: a good time on social media. I really like it. 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: I feel like you learn so much about different parts 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: of the world, and TikTok is a really great place 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: for that. Before I was like, yeah, Instagram is great, 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: Like I'd search hashtags what are folks doing? Yeah, in 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: Budapest right now, hashtag Budapest, what's going on? 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: You know? 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: And TikTok because of how they set up there for 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: you page. I mean, it's all just coming to me 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 2: in a flood and I love it. 15 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: You're a big Twitter. 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm lurking on Twitter. Just recently, I was following 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: the fishing scandal. There was this big competition that had 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: won like three hundred thousand dollars. These people were cheating. 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: They were stuffing filats of fish, no wrapping it around. 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: They had weights to skew the results, so it seemed 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: like they had caught these heads. Now I saw that 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, just I guess. Last night 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: I saw it on the New York Times and I 24 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 2: was like, late I already saw it on Twitter. Okay, 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: I already saw it on Twitter days ago. 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: Yep. 27 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: It feels like social media is what everybody's using to 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: get their news, to get their entertainment, and to stay connected. 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: So it made us very curious about how social media 30 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: might be impacting how we interact with each other and 31 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: how we interact with ourselves. One percent, if you didn't 32 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: have dial up and listen to that little screeching noise 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: or the a room men on the disc we're not 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: living the same life. I'm t T and I'm Zachiah 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: and from Spotify. 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: This is Dope Labs. 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore science, 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: pop culture, and a healthy dos of friendship. This week, 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: we're talking all about social media specifically. We really wanted 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: to know more about the impacts of social media on 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: our well being, mental health, attention span, and how we 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: communicate with one another. Let's get into the recitation. What 43 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: do we know? Well, what I feel like I know 44 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: is that social media is everywhere. It's a part of 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: our everyday lives. Professors are using it as a part 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: of their course curriculum, it's a. 47 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: Part of our work. 48 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: Social media is permitting everything, and so it also feels 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: like a primary way that we communicate with one another 50 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: all of the world. It feels like social media has 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: gone through some rapid changes too. So it feels like 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: it's gone from just being a place where you share 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: pictures of yourself to a way to interact with brands, 54 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: service providers. I mean, are you alive if you're not 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 2: on social media? Sometimes it feels like that's what society 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: is saying. It's so true. I mean, if somebody were 57 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: to tell me that they don't have a lick of 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: social media, I'm like. 59 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: Are you on the run? 60 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: Like? Are the Feds after you? What is going on? 61 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: How do you know? How do you know anything without 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: social media? 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: And you and I we come from a generation that 64 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: did not have social media and then had social media. 65 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: And I remember making my first Facebook account when I 66 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: was about to start college because remember at that point, 67 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: Facebook was only for folks who had a college email address. Yes, 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: and it was still so new at the time. And 69 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: so now when you think of today, where our grandmas 70 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: and grandpa's and our little cousins all have social media, 71 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: dogs have social media. Yes, we're living in a different time. 72 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: So we're moving around this world very differently because of it. Yes, 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: that's so true. And so we have quite a few 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: questions right about this. If we're moving differently, how different? 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: What do we want to know? Tt I want to 76 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: know more about how social media is impacting us. 77 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: I see a lot of stuff in the news about how. 78 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: Social media is impacting us, But I want to know, like, 79 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: for real, for real, how are we changing? Like is 80 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: it actually affecting our attention span and our relationships with 81 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: people and how we communicate in our mental health and 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 2: do different platforms affect us differently? Is it you know, 83 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: six and one hand, half a dozen in the other? 84 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: Is TikTok giving me the same bad vibes as Facebook? 85 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: I don't want to believe that. I want to believe 86 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: that TikTok will save the world. I'm just kidding. All right, 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: let's jump into the dissection. Our guest for today's lab 88 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: is doctor Jeff Hancock. 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 4: My name is Jeff Hancock. 90 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 5: I'm the founding director of the Stanford Social Media Lab 91 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 5: and a professor here in the Communication Department. 92 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: The Stanford Social Media Lab studies three main areas. One 93 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: is misinformation, the other is the effects of social media 94 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: on psychological well being. And the final area they study 95 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: is AI and communication, so that's like those smart replies 96 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: on Gmail, where it's basically artificial intelligence posing as a human. 97 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: We talk about. 98 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: Social media all the time on this show, and there's 99 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: a lot to unpack. According to doctor Hancock, social media 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: is a broader category that goes beyond platforms like Facebook 101 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: and Twitter. It's really any media we used to be social, 102 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: so that includes things like zoom, texting, and even email. 103 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 5: The first video conference was nineteen sixty seven in France Microtel, 104 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 5: and yet it took a pandemic to get us all 105 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 5: to really be using it on the regular. Every time 106 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 5: there's a new technology. 107 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 4: People are really worried about it. 108 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 5: Go back to the radio, right, that was going to 109 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 5: cause us all to just be hermits in our house 110 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 5: and never talk to people again. And it was going 111 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 5: to kill the newspaper. And then there were comic books. 112 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 5: Comic books, we're going to kill kids' brains and get 113 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 5: them addicted. And then there is TV. Same thing, and 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 5: we hear the same kinds of things with social media, 115 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 5: and social media is a lot different than. 116 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: Those right think about television and radio and newspapers. All 117 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: of those platforms have professionals who create and produce content. Now, 118 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: a lot of social media content is created by professionals, 119 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: but a lot of social media is more DIY. There 120 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: aren't the same barriers when it comes to posting and sharing. Yeah, 121 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: anyone can publish anything to anywhere. We're all content creators 122 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 2: and editors. This is a good thing and it can 123 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: sometimes be a bad And even though social media can 124 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: sometimes feel really bad or really good, doctor Hancock says, 125 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: it's not so black and white. One of his graduate students, 126 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: Angela Lee, is studying the importance of mindsets when it 127 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: comes to using social media. 128 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 5: It's about how you view the way something works for you. 129 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 5: The most famous example of education, you can think of 130 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: like your intelligence as like a muscle, and you can 131 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 5: grow it, and you can think of it as like 132 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 5: something that you're given and you have a fixed amount 133 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 5: of intelligence, and that's called a fixed mindset. So Angela 134 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 5: took that idea and applied to social media, and it 135 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 5: turns out that people have really strong mindsets. She's identified 136 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 5: two kind of components to social media mindsets. One is agency. 137 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: Do you feel like you're in charge of your social 138 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 5: media and you use it to do things for you 139 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 5: and your world, or is it in charge of you 140 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 5: and you're kind of out of control. 141 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm on social media whenever I have free time. 142 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: I'm scrolling before I go to sleep, when I wake up, 143 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: before I get out of the bed, the first thing 144 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: I do is open up. 145 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: My phone and starts scrolling. 146 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: So I'm not a mindless scroller, but I am a 147 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: person who automatically opens my phone and checks if I 148 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: have these alerts. You know, those little red notification bubbles 149 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: on the icons. I'm going to clear those. I'm automatically 150 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: opening and checking those, even if I don't really care. 151 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: My mind is just like clear those bubbles. And so 152 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: one of the things I've had to do to combat 153 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: that is to turn notifications off. And it reminds me 154 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: of that video we did. Do you remember the just 155 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: look up video with Thrive. 156 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: And Both Yes, Oh my gosh, yes, that's such a 157 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: good point. 158 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: And in that video we learned that the average person 159 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: checks their phone fifty two times a day. Now, that 160 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: was twenty nineteen, so I don't even know what it is. 161 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: Now, right, pandemic looking at your phone? 162 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like I'm on my phone 163 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: a lot more now. At first, when I heard that number, 164 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: I was very very surprised, But then I started to 165 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: really think about how much time I spend on my 166 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: phone and I was like, wow, that's definitely me. 167 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,119 Speaker 1: And if I have agency. 168 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: On the other hand, I'm telling my social media what 169 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to do. So I'm saying, Okay, I'm only 170 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: going to be on Instagram for thirty minutes and after 171 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: that I'm moving on, or I'm coming to Twitter to 172 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: find this very specific thing and don't show me anything 173 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: else that you think I might want to see. If 174 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 2: you have agency, you say, I don't want to see 175 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: those suggestive posts. 176 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: I just want to see what I want to see. 177 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 5: That is a very healthy approach, right. It means that 178 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 5: you're using it to do what you want to do 179 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 5: in the world, and it's sort of forwarding your goals 180 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 5: and trusting your needs. People that feel like it's out 181 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 5: of their control, they are suffering. They tend to report hiring, anxiety, 182 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 5: higher depression, more lonely, and it kind of sucks, right, 183 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 5: They're locked into this thing where I don't feel like 184 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 5: I'm in control. 185 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: I feel like this. 186 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 5: Thing social media is bad. Yet I have to use it. 187 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 5: Most people have to use it just to live their lives. 188 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 4: So when they use it, it makes them feel bad 189 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 4: about themselves. 190 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: And that leads us to the second component of Angela 191 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: Lee's mindset study, which is whether you perceive social media 192 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: as positive or negative. 193 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 5: It helps you, it helps with communication and connection, being informed, 194 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 5: or is it overall bad? Is it negative for you 195 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 5: like undermines your health, et cetera. 196 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: Doctor Hancock says this mindset approach is powerful and that 197 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: we should encourage people, especially young folks, to embrace this 198 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: more in control perspective on social media. 199 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: That does two things. 200 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 5: One, it pushes back against this idea of like, there's 201 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 5: these social media companies and they are doing stuff to you, 202 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 5: and there's nothing you can do about it. You're just 203 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 5: a passive consumer and they're like pointing the social media advertising. 204 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 4: Gun at you. I really hate that. 205 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,479 Speaker 5: It really takes away my power, It takes away my agency, 206 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 5: and also it takes away my responsibility. So if I'm 207 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 5: a jerk and I say cyberbully or I do mean 208 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 5: stuff online, that's not my fault. That's like this social 209 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 5: media fault. It's Marcus Zuckerberg's fault. So I think it 210 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 5: does bring back that sense of like, well, no, I'm 211 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 5: in charge you for the way I'm going. 212 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 4: To behave with this. 213 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I think some people are like, oh, they're on 214 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: social media. They can't help it. Yes, they can. They 215 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: still have to press posts. 216 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: Now. 217 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: I understand the pressures of social media can be high, 218 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: but I feel like, all right, let's have some accountability 219 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: in this equation. Yeah, the Internet is still a part 220 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: of our culture, and what we're posting is absolutely adding 221 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: to the conversation. And so we can't just say, oh, 222 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: you know, it's just social media. It doesn't matter. It matters. 223 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: And I think one of the things that continuously blows 224 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: my mind is just how huge the social media community is. 225 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: Usually it's when I find a profile and it has 226 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: like one point five million followers or some huge number 227 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,479 Speaker 2: like that, and I don't have a single shared contact 228 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: with that account. Does that ever happen to you? 229 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: Yes? And it's always so shocking to me. 230 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like this is a whole, separate, undisturbed part 231 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: of the Internet that I don't even know about. The 232 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: six degrees of separation. It's a lie. 233 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: Okay. 234 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: The other day, I was on Twitter and there was 235 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: this thread and this lady was like, I want to 236 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: show y'all this new yarn and there were so many 237 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: comments and people were just excited, full of excitement, and 238 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: I was like, this is what I would expect for 239 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: like an exclusive sneaker drop or a new game, you know, 240 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: NBA game for the PlayStation or Xbox or something like 241 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: this is this vibrant community, and I think we forget 242 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: that there are so many users on these different platforms. Yes, 243 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: it always blows my mind. Because we talked about social 244 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: bubbles in our Science Now episode, where you can have 245 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: that confirmation bias because everybody you know is usually interested 246 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: in a lot of similar things, and what you just 247 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: explained highlights that where as soon as you get outside 248 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: of that bubble, there are people who have way different 249 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: interests than you. Even when we're talking about things like 250 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: memes and things that are going viral, it's everywhere. And 251 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: I remember just recently this happened to me where you know, 252 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: over the last few weeks, I was talking to somebody 253 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: and I said, it's corn, a. 254 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: Big lump of knobs. 255 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: It has a juice, It has a juice, and that Yes, 256 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: it's the most beautiful thing. And they were like, what 257 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: are you talking about? No, And I was like, you 258 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: don't know to Reek aka the corn Kid. 259 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: Nah, you're on the dark Web. 260 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: Because I can't believe there is a single person on 261 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: this planet who doesn't know to Reek, not as they're 262 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,239 Speaker 2: using the Internet. I feel like he was everywhere. 263 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: If he was everywhere everywhere, But. 264 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: That just goes to show another undisturbed side of the 265 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: web for someone else. 266 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Right, we love you TOIQ, more blessings, more life for you. 267 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: And so just to help us wrap our arms around 268 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: the big world wide Web, right, let's think about how 269 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: many users are on these platforms. Okay, a big stepper is. 270 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: YouTube starting with a big. 271 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: YouTube has two point two billion monthly active users. That's 272 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: every thirty days, two point two billion. With a bee, 273 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: the B stands for billions. Yes, Facebook is at two 274 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: point nine billion users. What's app WhatsApp if you have 275 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: foreign parents, WhatsApp has been the thing for the last 276 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: few years and it has two billion as well. WhatsApp 277 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: is huge outside the country. Yes, everybody's using what's app. 278 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: Instagram has two billion. The smaller ones are like Pinterest, Reddit, 279 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: even Skype do you remember when everybody has Skype really 280 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: fumbled a bag and Zoom took over. But you have 281 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: to think about like social media is everywhere, and it's 282 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: important to remember that social media is not a monolith. 283 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Hancock says that the type of platform matters. Not 284 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: all platforms are created equal. 285 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 5: There's be Real, which is getting a lot of attention, 286 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 5: emphasizing authenticity and reducing the load of having to present 287 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 5: an awesome self all the time, and. 288 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: Then you can get outside of that. 289 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 5: You go into things like Zoom are much more about 290 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 5: like interacting with another person in depth. 291 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: Yes, every app is given something different. Okay, you can't 292 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: show up. 293 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: On Instagram like you show up on Zoom. Okay, we 294 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: would be fired. 295 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: Doctor Hancock told us about a study from the Social 296 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: Media Lab about people's experience with TikTok's algorithm. 297 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 5: In their sense, the algorithm was that they were like 298 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 5: these different sides of TikTok, and when they looked through 299 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 5: the algorithm was like looking through a crystal. They could 300 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 5: kind of see themselves reflected back, and they could see 301 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 5: through it these other communities. 302 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: That they weren't going to talk to the people. 303 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 5: TikTok is not very social it's very much about like 304 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 5: following people, but not about talking to people and the 305 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 5: way that the Facebook news feed was designed, or even Instagram. 306 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 4: And so she kind of came. 307 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 5: Up with this idea that you know, the people think 308 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 5: of the TikTok algorithm as like a crystal that can 309 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 5: reflect back and show us different dimensions of ourselves. 310 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: What doctor Hancock just said speaks to me because I'm 311 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: a big TikTok user. You know that, Zakiyah, And that's 312 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: exactly how I feel about TikTok. 313 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: My for you page is for me. 314 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: It's folks dancing, baby's cussing, saying silly things, dogs being ridiculous, 315 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: and food concoctions. And when I look at someone else's TikTok, 316 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: it looks very very different, Like why are is there 317 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: so many carpet cleaning videos on your for you page? 318 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: That felt like shape? 319 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: But I want you to know that I am watching 320 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: those people putting those rugs and detailing cards and vacuuming 321 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: and putting those little lines before. I like that It's relaxing. 322 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: And I think, like maybe what you see on your 323 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: for you page for TikTok because of you know, the 324 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: type of video content there might be different than what's 325 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: on your for you page for Instagram. 326 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 5: Absolutely, when we ask people about Instagram, they have a 327 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 5: very different view of that, right that Instagram is a 328 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 5: little bit more of a broadcast model that you then 329 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 5: interact with people that you know or want to know 330 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 5: and getting you know, those metrics are important, and that's 331 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 5: very different from the news speed which frankly, anybody here, 332 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 5: a young person here at Stanford is like, I don't 333 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 5: do it except to communicate with family. 334 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 335 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: Facebook is a no for me. I'm going to tell 336 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: you that right now. And it's been a no for 337 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: me since, Like, I don't know off and on. I 338 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: feel like when I left college. I used it a 339 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: little bit when I was in grad school, but then 340 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I. 341 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: Gotta get out here. 342 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: It's getting wild. 343 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm kind of the same way as 344 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: you are. As a kid. 345 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: I used to use Facebook like back in the day, 346 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: but I don't really use it anymore. It just feels 347 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: like Facebook is a really dark place where a lot 348 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: of really unproductive conversations are happening, and I'm just not 349 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 2: about that life. You know, something I do use a lot. 350 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: I used to talk more on it, but now I'm 351 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: mostly lurking Twitter. 352 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 4: Twitter is a very different platform. 353 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: I love it myself, but it turns out like although 354 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 5: so much research is done on Twitter, so much and 355 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 5: a lot of it makes a lot of big headlines, 356 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 5: but like no one uses Twitter like we just analyze 357 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 5: some data and it's like a tiny percentage of the 358 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 5: US mostly like journalists, political folks. 359 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: I find out everything on Twitter. I can remember the 360 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: first time I realized Twitter was super powerful as a 361 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: primary news source, and that was with Ferguson. When Ferguson 362 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: was happening, I first saw that on Twitter. It was 363 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: not on the news at the time. It was live 364 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: streams from Deray McKesson and Janetta Elze. I think those 365 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: are the two people that I was following figuring out 366 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: what was happening on the ground in Ferguson. And most recently, 367 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: when Eli Musk was talking about Okay, yes he wants 368 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: to buy Twitter again, I saw it on Twitter before 369 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: I got the alert from the New York Times. It's wow, 370 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: it happens so fast, it really does, and Twitter's keeping up. 371 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: That little thing is refreshing. Those tweets are scrolling. Twitter 372 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: is keeping up and It's not like Instagram where it's like, oh, 373 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: we're going to show you what we think you want 374 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: to see. It's like, no, you can actually look chronologically, 375 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: so when stuff happens and it refreshes. 376 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: It is at the top of your timeline. I love it. 377 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: You send me a lot of Twitter threads that I 378 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: feel like are always so helpful. But then every time 379 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: I get on Twitter, I feel like I am not 380 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: following the right people because I don't see what you're seeing. 381 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, t T. 382 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: I wonder if platforms are like horoscopes, you know, like 383 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: maybe the platform you like says something about what you 384 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: want to get from the Internet. I feel like that's 385 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: a fair point. What does it mean about people on 386 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: discord or Reddit? 387 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: Ooh Reddit, I'm scared of Reddit. People be very scared. 388 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: That feels one step away from the dark Web. 389 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if people are trying to get. 390 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: But Reddit feels very close. Yeah, And there's a lot 391 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: of other social media platforms out there that we don't 392 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: know about. I mean, there's so many. I know Amanda 393 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: Seals she made her own kind of like social media 394 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: platform for the people who are fans of her to 395 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: go on there to consume more of her content. 396 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: Loveyajai did the same thing. 397 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: But all this talk about social media makes me curious 398 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: about what's y'all's favorite platform. So if you look in 399 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: the app right now, you should see a pole and 400 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: we're asking what your favorite social media platform is. My 401 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: favorite platform is Twitter tt. You already spilled the beans 402 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: on that, but sometimes you can find me. 403 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: On Instagram too. 404 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: TT. 405 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: What's yours mine is TikTok. 406 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: We know that I've already snitched on myself a few 407 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: times during this lap. I always say TikTok is the 408 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: happiest place on Earth, and That's where I'm going to be. 409 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: And what I like about TikTok is that I don't 410 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: feel pressure to post content. I just scroll and I'm 411 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: there for a good time, for some laughs, for some 412 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, I had no idea, mind blown and 413 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: things like that. 414 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 5: I think people undervalue that, right, Like, oh, people are just. 415 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 4: Wasting their time on social media. 416 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 5: They're looking at like dogs dancing cat videos, which I agree, 417 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 5: I totally love, and I say, like, screw you, Like 418 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 5: nobody says, hey, you just wasted hours watching a football game, 419 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 5: but like, that's just entertainment. That's just having fun. It's 420 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 5: being with people, it's enjoying yourself. And I think we 421 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 5: sort of like all people should be doing stuff. Social 422 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 5: media is distracting, it's useless, and it's like, well, what 423 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 5: is watching a hockey game or going to the movies. 424 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 4: It's about entertainment. 425 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 5: And if you can use a technology like TikTok to 426 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 5: actually entertain yourself and that's working for you, then what's 427 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 5: the problem. 428 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a really great point. 429 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: I think that folks, you know, assign dignity to the 430 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: things that they enjoy doing. So some people might say 431 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: something like, oh, I can't believe so and so plays 432 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 2: video games. 433 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: They're too old for that. 434 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: And I say, just because you don't like video games 435 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that somebody else shouldn't like video games, you 436 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, And the same thing goes 437 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 2: with social media. Some people are like, oh, TikTok is ridiculous, 438 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: it's so stupid and all this stuff like that, and 439 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, sure, to you, it's like that a 440 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: lot of people are having a good time. And at 441 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: one point, Instagram was the new social media platform on 442 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: the scene, and everybody thought that was ridiculous because we 443 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: were so used to Facebook and Twitter where it was 444 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: just text. They're like, oh, just a picture, that's ridiculous, 445 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: And so I just feel like everybody should just leave 446 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: everybody alone. Whatever you like, I love you like it, 447 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: I love it. But assigning dignity to certain things and 448 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: saying other things are ridiculous. I don't think that's fair, 449 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: because who are we to say what folks should be 450 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: entertained by? Like sports, I'm not really into sports, but 451 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: if you like it, go do you. I'm gonna be 452 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 2: over here scrolling on TikTok, watching this dog roll its 453 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 2: eyes and its owner. Let's take a break. When we 454 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: come back, we'll talk about how social media is affecting 455 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 2: our attention span, the truth about misinformation, and what's next 456 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: on the social media horizon. 457 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: We're back and we only have two more labs left 458 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: in this semester. Can you believe it? I know I can't. 459 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 2: Next week we begin our lab finale, So don't forget. 460 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: If you haven't done it yet, give us a call. 461 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: Let us know what your favorite lab was, and let 462 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 2: us know what's happening right now that you might want 463 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: to hear about. Call us at two zero two five 464 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 2: six seven seven zero two eight. Okay, let's get back 465 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: to the lab. We talked about just how ubiquitous social 466 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: media use is. It's everywhere, and we know a lot 467 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: of people are getting their news on social media too, 468 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: so we wanted to know more about misinformation and how 469 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: big of a problem it really is. 470 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 5: Misinformation is a really small amount of our diet for 471 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 5: most people most of the time. If I got the 472 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 5: two of you to do an exercise that we did 473 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 5: in class, get people to spend ten minutes going through 474 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 5: whatever their favorite social feed is and I asked them 475 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 5: to identify any misinformation that they can, and pretty much 476 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 5: the answer is nobody sees any. And now we've done 477 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 5: these large empirical studies with two other students of mine, 478 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 5: Ross Dalkey and Ryan Moore, and they find that for 479 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 5: most people, they never get exposed to misinformation. 480 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 4: It's very rare. 481 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 5: But unfortunately, there's a few people that get exposed a ton, 482 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 5: and those dudes are the ones that are showing up 483 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 5: on January sixth. Those are the people that believe that 484 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 5: like the election was fraudulent. 485 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: Doctor Hancock says that misinformation isn't a huge concern for 486 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: most social media users, but it does exist, and it's 487 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: targeted at specific users. 488 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 5: Unfortunate right now, it's a lot of older adults, it's 489 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 5: a lot of people that are concerned about health. It's 490 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 5: a lot of lonely people that are doing online dating misinformation. 491 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 4: Folks are not just doing it willy nilly. 492 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 5: They're trying to either make money or persuade people. And 493 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 5: the money one is much more common. 494 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I hear that. I understand the money and 495 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: targeted people, but I feel like some people are doing 496 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: it for free. Maybe they don't mean to do misinformation, 497 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: but some people might might be doing it for free. 498 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 2: And maybe it's also coming from people just reading like 499 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: headlines about stuff and not reading the full article. And 500 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: that feels like it's because, you know, maybe we don't 501 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 2: have the attention span we used to have, or maybe 502 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: we just are not up for seeing things through to 503 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: the end anymore. Right, Everybody just posting headlines and not 504 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: doing their due diligence. And we saw in the pandemic 505 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 2: that that definitely led to a lot of misinformation spread. 506 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: And you know how, like I always say, if somebody 507 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: puts a quote next to Denzel Washington, people are gonna 508 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: retweet reshare that quote, and it's like he didn't even 509 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: say that. So is attention span an issue? 510 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 4: It's a really important question. 511 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 5: There are studies that show those kinds of things, but 512 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 5: the problem is is there are also studies that show 513 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,239 Speaker 5: the opposite right, and then there are other studies that 514 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 5: show there's no relationship. 515 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: Doctor Hancock says that we need more research that takes 516 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: place over decades in order for us to track attention 517 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: span over time. So that's probably why we see so 518 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: many conflicting perspectives and studies about whether attention span is 519 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 2: good or bad or whatever, like, we don't know enough. 520 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 2: These platforms haven't been around long enough to definitively say. However, 521 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: doctor Hancock says it is likely that our attention spans 522 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 2: are changing, but that's not necessarily a good or a 523 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: bad thing, just different. 524 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 5: It's pretty clear that our attention is likely to change, 525 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 5: and it's pretty clear that our memory is likely to change, 526 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 5: just from a theoretical point of view. So the idea 527 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 5: there is, as we can use new tools to do things, 528 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 5: our brain adapts to those, and so I no longer 529 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 5: memorize multi hundred line poems like the ancient Greeks did, 530 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 5: and that's okay in my life. 531 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 4: And there is research that show that people, when they. 532 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 5: Knew they would be able to find it online, they 533 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 5: ended up remembering a little bit less, but they were 534 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 5: really thoughtful about like knowing how to go out and 535 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 5: get it, and so same thing with a right now, 536 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 5: if you try to read in the same way that say, 537 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 5: monks in the sixteenth century would read, we would find 538 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 5: it really difficult. I have this image from the sixteenth 539 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 5: century of a wheel in which a monk would books 540 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 5: onto this wheel and you could kind of rotate it around, 541 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 5: and it was a way that these monks could deal 542 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 5: with the absolute insane information overload that was happening in 543 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 5: the Renaissance, where there was like a book being produced 544 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 5: every like week or month or so. It was absolutely crazy. 545 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: Imagine that same monk having access to Google it what 546 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: blow his mind. I wonder how people felt about talk 547 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: radio when it first showed up on the scene. I 548 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: remember as a kid thinking c spam was the wildest 549 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: thing ever. I was like, who can watch people just 550 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: talking NonStop like this? According to doctor Hancock, ideas about 551 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: misinformation overload are really common anytime there are advancements in 552 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: technology and our brains and media environment adapt to one another. 553 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 5: What young people here now is like this thing could 554 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 5: be bad for you sometimes, therefore. 555 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 4: You shouldn't do it because it's wrecking you. 556 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 5: We don't say that people like don't drive because there 557 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 5: are people texting out there. And so I think if 558 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 5: we take more of that adaptive mindset that we can 559 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 5: learn how to do this, that we can change, I think. 560 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 4: That'd be really valuable. 561 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 5: I have a feeling that my attention span is different 562 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 5: than when I was, say it was in grad school. 563 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 4: Maybe that's a terrible thing. 564 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 5: Maybe that's allowing me to deal with like this really 565 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 5: new media environment. 566 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: I do think my attention span has changed now. I 567 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: know those are just my internal vibes and feelings. I 568 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: don't have a study, but this is not the same 569 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: asakia that used to sit down and read paper after paper. 570 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: It's not the same one. It's not If your book 571 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: is not juicy, I'm closing it. 572 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if my attention span has changed. 573 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: I think that I am just entertained by a lot 574 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: more now. The way that we consume social media media 575 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: has changed, and so the things that are entertaining have changed. 576 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: So Twitter, then Instagram, you know, we had just photos, 577 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: and that became something that was really exciting because it 578 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: was like, okay, yeah, you could see some text and 579 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: some photos, so now I want to see photos. And 580 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: then it became you can post videos, so it was like, okay, 581 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: well now I want to see a caption and I 582 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: want to see a video. 583 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: So I don't think my attention span has changed. 584 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: I think that what entertains me has evolved as social 585 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: media has evolved, depending on the medium. If it can 586 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: grab my attention and it's something that I'm interested in, 587 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 2: I'll sit there for ten minutes and read an article, 588 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: or I'll sit there for half an hour to watch 589 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: you know, something that I feel like is interesting. But 590 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: some things I don't feel like need to be a 591 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: half hour. Some things I think can be said in 592 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: thirty seconds. Even though our attention spans may be evolving, 593 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean social media is bad or addictive. 594 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 5: I would say that the number one question I get 595 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 5: asked is like, is social media addictive? 596 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 4: Is it destroying young people's ability to talk face to face? 597 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 5: I am Canadian, so I'm naturally kind of optimistic, So 598 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 5: I don't believe that social media is necessarily addictive. I 599 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 5: think that for some people, some of the time, they 600 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 5: use social media way that is not healthy for them. 601 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 4: On the other extreme, there are people that find it 602 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 4: to be incredibly invaluable. 603 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 5: I think for most people, most of the time, social 604 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 5: media doesn't have that big of an effect on their 605 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 5: well being. Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's boring. Sometimes we 606 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 5: have interesting things happen, but it's relatively fine. 607 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting to hear because I would think that 608 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: social media, for most people, most of the time, is 609 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: having a big effect on their well being. Yeah, different news, Right, 610 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: This feels like something we've talked about before, where it 611 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: can feel like this is something that everybody is involved in, 612 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: but maybe for the majority of people who are not 613 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: primarily online, it's not that big of a deal. Like 614 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: the effect is only as great as the frequency of use, 615 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: and if you're online, you're only seeing other people that 616 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: are online, and maybe it's that same online bubble. 617 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: Again. 618 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: I feel like doctor Hancock's take on this is very positive, absolutely, 619 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: and that feels good. 620 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. 621 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: And we've also said this in other episodes too. Where 622 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: you can have too much of anything, you can have 623 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: too much water, you can have too much air and 624 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: those things can kill you. And so everything in moderation. 625 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: And if we're. 626 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: Considering everything in moderation, but also considering what we know 627 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: to be this big boom of platforms that are available 628 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: for people to partake in, what's the next platform? Where 629 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 2: are we headed? Now? You know what's coming down the pipeline. 630 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: As it relates to social media, All. 631 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 5: The trends suggest video short form video is going to 632 00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 5: be really big. 633 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 4: TikTok is just dominated. 634 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 5: It's shocking, but in twenty twenty one it was the 635 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 5: most accessed website including Google. Right, if you're a young 636 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 5: person you want to learn something about COVID, you ain't 637 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 5: going to Google anymore. 638 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 4: You're going to TikTok. Now that's worrisome and crazy. 639 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 5: And you look at the other platform's meta Snapchat, they're 640 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 5: following TikTok, So that's a big trend. People talk about 641 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 5: the metaverse and they usually think, you know, mostly about VR, 642 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 5: But I think the metaverse is going to be very social. 643 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: You know, we talked about the metaverse a little bit, 644 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: and I really think it's going to start to pick 645 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: up steam because what folks are able to do in 646 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: the metaverse is really really interesting, and I think it's 647 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: going to really change how we communicate with one another, 648 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: especially in this semi post I know Joe Biden said 649 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: that the pandemic was over. I don't know if the 650 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: CDC agrees, but we're in this kind of post pandemic 651 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 2: space and a lot of things are virtual. Imagine being 652 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: able to go into the metaverse and have a conference 653 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: call and you can see everyone's avatar instead of being 654 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 2: on a zoom call. Or you can see a three 655 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: D mockup of a building if you're an architect and 656 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: be able to walk somebody through it. I think the 657 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: possibilities with the metaverse are just endless, and there's so 658 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 2: much to think about in this new media environment. I 659 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: have some friends who aren't on social media at all, 660 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: and some who are basically at the nicotine patch levels 661 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: they're working on quitting. But then I have others who 662 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: are posting several times a day to stories. So my 663 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: question is will social media remain optional? 664 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 5: I believe, at least in twenty twenty two that you 665 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 5: can still be an engaged citizen without having to use 666 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 5: a lot of social media as we kind of define 667 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 5: it around like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. 668 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: So on the one hand, you can go to social 669 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 2: media for entertainment and have a good time and when 670 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: you want, and then on the other hand, you can 671 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 2: also use it for information gathering or to stay informed, 672 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: and doctor Hancock says that social media is also becoming 673 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 2: more crucial for work and navigating life. 674 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 5: I do think we have to use text team and 675 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 5: zoom and phones a lot, and if you don't have 676 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 5: a cell phone, that's a real problem. 677 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 4: One of my former. 678 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 5: Students, amigan Zalez, is done in U See Santa Barbara, 679 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 5: and she studies people where it's like do I get. 680 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 4: Another simcard for this month? Or do I get groceries? 681 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 4: And there, I think is exactly at that question that 682 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 4: you're getting at, where like. 683 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, for them, that's a real problem, like they can't 684 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 5: get information. How do you get to this new job 685 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 5: interview if you can't access Google Maps? 686 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 4: Tez. 687 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: This reminds me of something you brought up in our 688 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: episode about the digital divide, where people make it about like, oh, 689 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 2: do you have the newest iPhone right, when really it's 690 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 2: like do you have access to technology? 691 00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 5: Right? 692 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: Do you have internet? Right to be able to even 693 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: get the information. 694 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and the privilege of the option to not participate 695 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: in some of these social platforms, Like some people don't participate, 696 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: but it's like you have the privilege to not participate 697 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: because these things are available to you. Absolutely, that's not 698 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 2: your only resources, that's not your only lifeline. Right, So 699 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 2: you don't have to be on Instagram or you don't 700 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 2: have to be on WhatsApp because you can talk to people. 701 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: All these other ways. 702 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: And I wonder what the future looks like if we 703 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 2: continue down the same path without strong interventions to provide 704 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: access or more equitable access for everyone. I think everything 705 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: that doctor and Hancock had to say was really interesting 706 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 2: because I think going into this episode, I thought we're 707 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 2: about to hear a bunch of bad news. 708 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: Honey. 709 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 2: He can say, get off Instagram, get off TikTok, get 710 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: off Twitter, it's too much. 711 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: You're ruining your brain. Your brain's turning mush. 712 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: But what he's saying is is that for the vast 713 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 2: majority of us, social media ain't so bad, and it's 714 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 2: also providing us with information and connections that we wouldn't 715 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 2: have without it, And so it makes me feel good 716 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: because then it's just something that I need to check 717 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 2: in with myself. How am I feeling? Do I feel 718 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: like scrolling on Instagram today made me feel good? 719 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: Or did it make me feel bad? 720 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 2: Do I need to take a little break rather than 721 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: any amount of social media consumption is bad for me? 722 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: All right, it's time for one thing. What's your one thing? Zee? 723 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 2: My one thing is another social media platform. Now listen 724 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: if you feel like you're not getting your feel with 725 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 2: the main players that we talked about today, I mentioned 726 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 2: this one a little bit. It's Discord and I first 727 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 2: got introduced to Discord by an Helen Peterson. She writes 728 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 2: this newsletter and she's been on Dope Labs when she 729 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 2: was sharing her book even, which is basically about burnout. 730 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, what's this community? 731 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: How does this work? 732 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 2: And two other groups I follow on social media are 733 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: kind of on Discord for a more engaged kind of 734 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 2: community and sharing links. You know, I love to share links, girl. 735 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 2: That's Ato Friends and Moonless, and so I've been kind 736 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 2: of dipping my toe into Discord. So that's my one 737 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 2: thing for the week. Tt I'm gonna try to get 738 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 2: you on Discord to join in these communities too. 739 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: That's it. For Lab eighty two. 740 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 2: Tell us what are you getting from your social media? 741 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: Is it giving everything you need? Do you need to 742 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 2: find a new app? Call us at two zero two 743 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 2: five six seven seven zero two eight and tell us 744 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 2: what you thought. 745 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: We really like hearing from you. 746 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 2: So that's two zero two five six seven zero two eight, 747 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: And don't forget there's so much more for you to 748 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: dig into on our website. 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