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Speaker 1: of times with us during draft season. We'll lead off

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Speaker 1: with a rap up of the Senior Bowl and a

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Speaker 1: look at bigger picture stuff out there on radio row

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Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl. Our good friend Mike Renner from

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. Mike, I'm jealous, man, I'm here in

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Speaker 1: my heavy sweater. You got your like quarters that there.

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Speaker 1: I think you into the beach after you're done with me, right,

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Speaker 1: I will be Actually I'm gonna I'm gonna be laying

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Speaker 1: on the sand, uh, cherishing the fact that I'm not

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Speaker 1: in since Saturday right now with the six inches so

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Speaker 1: they got past weekend. Yes, I don't blame you, all right,

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Speaker 1: So let's get started here Senior Bowl. Um, Well, who

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Speaker 1: are the guys that you think really made a difference

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Speaker 1: for themselves out their mobile? Yeah. I think Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: is always the positions that get the most out of

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Speaker 1: for backs, because you get a lot of one on ones,

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Speaker 1: and it's a lot of times it's guys that you

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Speaker 1: have not seen, uh throughout the course their season play

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Speaker 1: top guys. If you're an offensive tackle, like a guy

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Speaker 1: I really liked heading into that week, Bernard Raymond from

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Speaker 1: such a Michigan he may have had to face a

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Speaker 1: single guy all year that's gonna play in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you don't know how he's gonna look

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Speaker 1: against guys that are gonna play the NFL. It's only

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Speaker 1: face the guy that's gonna play in the NFL. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's always something that's important to keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: is that it's got important for the guys they really

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Speaker 1: haven't faced this top competition. From that perspective, one of

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Speaker 1: the guys that really stood out to me was Trevor Penning,

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Speaker 1: the Northern Iowa offensive tackle and now he's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a project, like he's a work in progress, but

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Speaker 1: on tape you see him just throwing guys around. But

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Speaker 1: it's also like FCS competition. Like talked about guys not

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Speaker 1: playing the NFL, those guys are those guys aren't even

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Speaker 1: playing FBS, Like those guys aren't even playing high end

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Speaker 1: D one college football. But he goes to the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: goes up against, like I said, guys who are going

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Speaker 1: them around. Still looks like the bully every single time.

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Speaker 1: The tone that that are type of offensive tackle that

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Speaker 1: off of the line coaches dream of coaching. So that

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Speaker 1: to me was one guy that really I think made

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Speaker 1: a defensive end because he was a guy who's been

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Speaker 1: always had athletic tools, never really put it all together.

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Speaker 1: It's in a Minnesota scheme where he didn't really get

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Speaker 1: had probably the most impressive week and one on once

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Speaker 1: uh as a past Rusher of any of the guys

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Speaker 1: by NFL standards, easy to recognize who wins there, and

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Speaker 1: it's guys that look like you know. To me, I

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Speaker 1: bit of Michael Pittman a couple of years ago, where

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Speaker 1: he's not necessarily gonna run away from people, but he's

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Speaker 1: maybe other positions that you are getting much much more

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Speaker 1: so what Sam how Leek willis, Matt Corral and desnt Ritter,

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Speaker 1: We're all going to be within ten or fifteen spots

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Speaker 1: in the PFF traffic. But it's all said like they're

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Speaker 1: Drew Lock coming out, big arm, big senior season brought

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Speaker 1: a lot of negatives on his tape that you were

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Speaker 1: worried if they were ever going to be fixed. That's

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Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones. Um. I thought he was just limited,

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Speaker 1: Like I liked him as translating to the NFL. You

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Speaker 1: probably in the mix of I didn't love Haskin so either,

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Speaker 1: but not sure player quarterback when this traft fair enough

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Speaker 1: a lot of people and I've probably watched seven or

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Speaker 1: eight of the consensus top ten guys here, Mike I'm

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Speaker 1: not like super blown away by anybody, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, A lot of people think this is a

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Speaker 1: Is that how you guys see it too? Is this

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Speaker 1: the National championship game, in the college football playoffs. You know,

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Speaker 1: I know you guys love them. Are there any concerns

432
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 1: that I watched every one of his sacks and quarterback

433
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Speaker 1: hits this year? I didn't see him win one. You know,

434
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 1: bending that edge like you're running the ring in your drills.

435
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Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on those two guys at

436
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Speaker 1: the top there, and you know, compare them a little

437
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 1: bit to two guys at that position in past classes

438
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Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, how great they could be

439
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: and whether or not you think one might be able

440
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: to drop the five. Yeah, so Tavida was the more

441
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 1: sort of projectable edge physical tools guy, Like he physically

442
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: looks like a Mile Scarre in terms of get off,

443
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 1: its been like what he can do, like the length,

444
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: just the frame is all kind of the ideal trains

445
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Speaker 1: with the edge. Now, performance wise, it was it didn't

446
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: look like Mile Scared, Like he has a number of moves,

447
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: but none of them are particularly effective consistently. Like his

448
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: most effective move consistently was just purely get off, get

449
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: around to the corner of the offensive back like that

450
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: was his best move because he is just a freak

451
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: nature of Lefelan what he can do. So you're gonna

452
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Speaker 1: have to see a lot of development from him to

453
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Speaker 1: see him really making impact as pastor sure right now,

454
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 1: when you have that all those tools, you don't need

455
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: much development to actually make an impact because it's difficult

456
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Speaker 1: to block those guys. But to be hushing since more

457
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: of the you know, hit a double. You know you're

458
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 1: getting a good player. He plays with power really well,

459
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: plays with leverage really well, plays again, plays against the

460
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: run really well. It's gonna bring it snap after snap

461
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: after snap. One of the hardest working guys, you know,

462
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Speaker 1: coach Rabosborg, ethnic leader, whatever, all the tensbles you want,

463
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: he's already displayed and you've seen sort of the progression,

464
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: Like the work ethic has led to him being a

465
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Speaker 1: more complete player year year after year after year in Michigan.

466
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Speaker 1: Like he's approved every single time step on a football field.

467
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: So that's easy D to buy into. But no is

468
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Speaker 1: he Is he ever going to look like you know,

469
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Speaker 1: clearly Mt. Von Miller, the guys that really have been

470
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like those guys. These not have that

471
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Speaker 1: level of caliber classes. I'm not that caliber flexibility that

472
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Speaker 1: you know, like I said, bending the edge, he doesn't

473
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Speaker 1: do like the top guys do. But you're still going

474
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Speaker 1: to get a very productive football player. There's still a

475
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Speaker 1: lot of guys who don't win like that at the

476
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Speaker 1: NFL level. So I do think maybe his ceilings not

477
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: quite like tibical ceiling is, but your floor is also

478
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: so much higher at this point. I think that's absolutely fair.

479
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: Who's the next guy that you guys like an edge

480
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Speaker 1: and is that a guy that could be worth picking

481
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Speaker 1: a fifth or seventh for the Giants or do you

482
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Speaker 1: think a different guy would hold better value there? George

483
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Speaker 1: carl offt just do addressers third on the PFF draft board,

484
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: and he's to me, he's more like an interior guy though,

485
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Speaker 1: like I like him rushing the pastor from the interior,

486
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Speaker 1: just because you really like if you think Aidan Hutchinson's

487
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Speaker 1: not quite the predictable athlete like carloftis, really doesn't have

488
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Speaker 1: that first step first that the guys who wouldn't age

489
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Speaker 1: consistently in the NFL deal. So I like him on

490
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Speaker 1: the inside because he is very physical. He does use

491
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Speaker 1: his hands really well, and he has a lot of

492
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: pass rushing moves. Um but get their seventh overall, I

493
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: think that's too rich from I think the value when

494
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Speaker 1: you are picked fifth and seventh in this class is

495
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Speaker 1: going to be along the office line at offensive tackle.

496
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Speaker 1: That's where the guys sort of like said, the blue

497
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Speaker 1: chip town is in this class. But I see karl

498
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: optics more than like the early Once you get past ten,

499
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: pick ten, that's when it starts to be value. All right,

500
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Speaker 1: So help me out here. If the Giants pick a

501
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Speaker 1: tackle at five, right, they get the seven. Both other

502
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: edge rushes at the top are gone and Linda Bam

503
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit too rich. Where do you go? Like,

504
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, is it one of the wide receivers that

505
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: jump up? They just drafted Tony, they paid Kenny Golladay.

506
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Is it one of these linebackers that you like? Is there?

507
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 1: You know? What are you looking at it? Seven? Then

508
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: where you're gonna get value for that? Pick? The place

509
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Speaker 1: I would go and where I think, uh, just like

510
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: from hearing the news from the earlier day yesterday, Don

511
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: Martindale's defense with what You're gonna Baltimore relied on cornerbacks,

512
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: relied on those guys holding up man coverage in that secondary.

513
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley mod Gardner, one of those is on the

514
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Speaker 1: board I'm taking, Like, if I'm the Giants with five

515
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Speaker 1: or seven, I am taking those guys because of one,

516
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: how important they are to his defense, and too, those

517
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Speaker 1: guys have rare skill sets that corner I don't think

518
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: big core class is super deep. I think after those

519
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: two and maybe um Trent mcduffy. I don't really want

520
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: to take one until you know, late in the first

521
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: round if that. But I think those two, at least

522
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Speaker 1: at the very least A mad Gardner and Derek Stingley

523
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: are like elite press man type of corners that maybe

524
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Speaker 1: it's not a massive, massive need for the Giants, but again,

525
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: in that defense and what Don Martindale runs, you will

526
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: want as many corners as humanly possible. Those guys will

527
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Speaker 1: make an impact even if they aren't in your one

528
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: and two, even if they're a third corner, they will

529
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: be seeing the football kill a lot. So that's where

530
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Speaker 1: I would builup on the Giants. No, look and and

531
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Speaker 1: and look, we who knows what's gonna happen when they

532
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: have to get into the salary cap with players might

533
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Speaker 1: not be here, so that could be a need at

534
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: that point too. Does the stately stuff, the fact that

535
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Speaker 1: he played his best football three years ago and hasn't

536
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Speaker 1: been as good since. Is that does that bother you

537
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: at all? It does? And it's a it's it follows

538
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Speaker 1: me And the fact that's why he's not being talked

539
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Speaker 1: about the number one overall, you know, like that's because

540
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: if if he would have looked like the idea as

541
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Speaker 1: a freshman and then built upon that, and then built

542
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Speaker 1: upon that, there wouldn't be a debate, you know, like

543
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't be then one overall picked in his class

544
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: right now. But and so like, yeah, it's fallen off

545
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Speaker 1: my opinion of him, but I'm not gonna fall off

546
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: too much. Like guys don't hit the ground running as

547
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Speaker 1: freshman like him. The only other guy who as a

548
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Speaker 1: freshman has been the highest grade of player of their

549
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: respect position that we have created in our seven years

550
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: eight years now doing this is during James and he

551
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: kind of got a lot of same persisms where it's like, oh,

552
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: his tape was better before his junior year before coming

553
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: out always kind of falling down, goes Pick seventeen, And

554
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever had a problem with her

555
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: own James game at the NFL level since then. So

556
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I feel about Derek Sting. It's

557
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: like all the talent in the world is there, but

558
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: there were a lot of guys on the moose LSU

559
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: teams the past two years that were mailing it. It

560
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: was not unique to him. And yeah, you wish he

561
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: didn't but again that's why he's going from one overall

562
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: to maybe five or seven overall, like gets to the

563
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Speaker 1: middle of the top ten and not being talked about

564
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: is this prospect, but the talent he's as talent as

565
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: anyone who draft LUSS in terms of what he do

566
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Speaker 1: out football field. One more individual in a couple of positions,

567
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: Mike Devin Lloyd. He's the top rated off Bowl linebacker

568
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: eleven um where what kind of players? You know, he's

569
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: a converted safety. I watched about it three of his

570
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: games and it's funny, like one game he looks great,

571
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: he's attacking. The other game he looks heasitany he's letting

572
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: offensive one me get him on the second level and

573
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: they're blocking him. You know, what type of player is he?

574
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: We've seen, you know in the past of Ravens. We

575
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: talked about Don Martindale, Right, they've used high picks on

576
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: linebackers before, Guys that can run, whether it's C. J. Mosley,

577
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen, those type of guys. So how does he

578
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: kind of fit in to that mold and and what

579
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: do you think of him overall as a player. Yeah,

580
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: I don't think Devin Waite has like many weaknesses. I

581
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: think it's the biggest selling point on him is that

582
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: he's about a clean prospect. It's like, yes, sometimes he

583
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: lets off the point you get out of him. Yes, something,

584
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna run a four for you, but

585
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: he's still athletic. Yeah, maybe he gives up a few

586
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: plays in coverage, but then also makes something. There's like

587
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: all like minor minor knocks. But I just think with

588
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: his size at you know, six thirty five, and it's

589
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: length and the production and the fact that he can

590
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: run with tight ends and the fact that he can

591
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: do a lot of basically anything you want him honor linebacker.

592
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: Think that's why he's on linebacker one. Because linebacker is

593
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: a position where the more things you can do, the

594
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: more you'll get asked to do. And that's Lloyd to

595
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: me in a nutshells like you can ask him to

596
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: do anything, and it's very important in today's NFL and

597
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: not have a guy that you almost have to protect

598
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: at the linebacker position. He's a guy that whatever you

599
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: want him to do, he's going to be able to

600
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: do it. Whereas Niccoby Dean and probably line back to

601
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: on THETFF draft for a lot of guys line back

602
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: for Wonder two six ft, Like there's things he's not

603
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: gonna be able to literally do physically that you know,

604
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: are no fault in his own in terms of like

605
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: how he sees the game. But that guy to cover

606
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: around Bronkowski and you're gonna have problems, you know, like

607
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: he's just he's Gronk is always gonna be open because

608
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: he can't affect catch point when a guy is that big.

609
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: So I do think that that's why Devin talked about

610
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: in the air he has been talked about. I should

611
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: ask you about Kyle Hamilton's, you know, free safety, great

612
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: guy that can read the defense. I know you love him.

613
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame guy here, I know, But does it make

614
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: sense for the Giants who already have Xavier McKinney, who's

615
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: a really good high safety we've seen to make a

616
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: lot of plays this year, borderline Pro bowler this year.

617
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: Can those guys work together with the way the Morton

618
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: Dale wants to run his defense? Is he's not a

619
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: two high guy, right, We're gonna have those two guys

620
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: kind of at the top of the defense. So do

621
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: you think that can work? I'm not doubting how great

622
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's. I'm just trying to think of how he

623
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: would fit with McKinney in that type of defensive scheme. Yeah,

624
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: if both of them, one of them has got to

625
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: be like your life, like I think Kyle Hampton very much,

626
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: But I think that's that's how it would end up

627
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: playing out if you did draft both of them, because

628
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: then you want both of those guys are around the

629
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: ball type of safety squere sure you can use in deep,

630
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: Sure they can be your single high guy. It's a

631
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: waste talent. You're wasting a lot of what they bring

632
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: the table, a lot of what makes them special. So

633
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: should you draft Cayl Hampton, I'm not saying don't Kyle

634
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: Hamilton's if you have Saveran McKinny. I if it's between

635
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's and the guy like I talked about George

636
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: carl Offtis, I'm taking Cayl Hampton every day because I'm

637
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: still want the talent in my defense. I will find

638
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: a way to get him on the football fielder find

639
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: a role from because at six four to twenty is

640
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: pretty dang persatile. So it would just be one of

641
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: them filling a role. They probably had them filled before

642
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: day drafted. Got it all right? We ever really talked

643
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: about wide receivers yet, Mike, you know that's a position

644
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Speaker 1: where it's an endless flow of guys from the college ranks.

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Speaker 1: How does this class, you know, shape up against prior ones?

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Speaker 1: My sense is that it's kind of like, you know, um,

647
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Speaker 1: chef's choice, what do you want? What are you looking for?

648
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Speaker 1: What do you like? And that's going to determine who's

649
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Speaker 1: your top guy in the class. Is that how you

650
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: guys see the wide receiver class? I think so. I

651
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: do think you're gonna see a lot of different wide

652
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Speaker 1: recheper ones. Um. But to me, there's three guys that

653
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: are the clear tier above. Now it's not comparing to

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Speaker 1: kind of previous classes. To me, it's similar to maybe

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Speaker 1: a nineteen where I don't think there's It's like last

656
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: year there were three guys where they were going to

657
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: be number one receivers in the NFL. Davante Smith, Jone

658
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: Waddle to mar Chase. That's why they go where they went.

659
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: Those guys were just that's how good they were in college.

660
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: So there weren't really many question marks a bottom. I

661
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: don't think there's any in this class that I feel about.

662
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: But there's a clear tier of three that would be

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Speaker 1: kind of after all the three A guys came off

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Speaker 1: the board last year and Drake London from USC, Gary

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Speaker 1: Wilson Obhio State, and Jamison Williams from Alabama. Where to

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Speaker 1: me at that point, it's gonna depend kind of like

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Speaker 1: tap class what I highlighted, What do you want? Do

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Speaker 1: you want a big body PESSI receiver Drake London, You

669
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Speaker 1: ain't gonna find much better. Do you want a speed threat,

670
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: big play home run here Jameson Williams. He was the

671
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: fast student college football. I saw all that I could fly.

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00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: And he's a little bit bigger too for your average

673
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Speaker 1: uh speed series like six too. And then do you

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Speaker 1: want kind of an all around movable chess piece that

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Speaker 1: is just dynamic whatever he's doing, that's Garrett Wilson. He's

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Speaker 1: the guy who you're gonna lamp and slot one player

677
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: outside next play, you're gonna scheme him stuffed where you

678
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: get him one on one in space stiver like that

679
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: guy just cannot stick with him off the free release.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I see the top of

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Speaker 1: the class. It's one of those three Just what do

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00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: you want? Yeah, that makes sense talking about death real quick.

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Speaker 1: But before I hit tight ends edge classes is deep?

684
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: Can can you find a pretty good edge player in

685
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: on on day two? If you're looking for one. You

686
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: have a couple of guys at the Senior Bowl and

687
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: a bar I felt look really good. The Florida State

688
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: kid Johnson looked pretty good. Is this class where maybe you,

689
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: unlike the interior offensive line, you could find a decent

690
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: guy coming off the edge on day two? I think so,

691
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: And it's usually I say they just look at the

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Speaker 1: history of that drushers in the past decade and a half.

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Speaker 1: You want to use a topick tick on the addresser.

694
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: You don't want to draft at all. The developmental the

695
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: ocean Zamans of the world don't work out more often

696
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: than not, those third fourth round guys that you're seeing

697
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: developmental projects, there's a reason they're going there. Um, there

698
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: are many hunters out there, is what you're telling me.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly like the Vikings have they drafted to Neil

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Speaker 1: Hunter and they've taken six more guys I believe on

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Speaker 1: the edge since him in the samuelar range. None of

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Speaker 1: them have done anything it's just difficult to do Um

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Speaker 1: and Neil Hunters like this unique case that was a

704
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: lot of scheme based and a lot of because he's

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Speaker 1: only twenty years old, Like he was just a weird

706
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Speaker 1: prospect in its own right. Uh, kind of the outlier

707
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: that is not the rule, so you want to use

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00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: a top traffick on them. But I do think kind

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00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 1: of where this class schemes or trends is, you got

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys at the top, and then where

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Speaker 1: the value I think is going to then greatest again

712
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: is near the top of the second round. Whether it

713
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Speaker 1: is a Jamaine Johnson from Floria State, where there it

714
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: is a boy Mafe from Minnesota, aren't Kenny from Penn State.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys who are like fringe first rounders,

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Speaker 1: but you could see them being productive NFL players have

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00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: the tools or have the production or have something in

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00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: their corner that's like, yeah, this guy can still be good.

719
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Speaker 1: So I do think top of the second round, there's

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00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: still gonna be a lot of edge talent available. After

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Speaker 1: free agency and after the Giants get kept compliant Mike,

722
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: there's a chance they might be looking at the roster

723
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Speaker 1: and they don't have a single tight end and they

724
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Speaker 1: need to fall out that tight end group, seems to me.

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Speaker 1: I was impressed by the group of the Senior Bowl.

726
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a very deep class, and you're

727
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Speaker 1: not gonna find, you know, a super dynamic guy that

728
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Speaker 1: can you know, separate and run a four four like

729
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Speaker 1: an Evan Ingram or Coyle Pits. But I thought you

730
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Speaker 1: saw some guys that I could see, all right, two

731
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Speaker 1: eight players don't how to get open, do a little

732
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Speaker 1: bit everything. I was pretty impressed with the titand group

733
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Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl. Uh, is that what you see

734
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Speaker 1: with the class overall? Yeah, I think there's a lot

735
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: of guys that can you can plug in like that,

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Speaker 1: you can plug in and feel good at out. There's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of guys that I'm drafting highly to

738
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Speaker 1: say to feature them in my offense. So from that perspectively,

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Speaker 1: the Giants, you just need one. He needs someone you

740
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: could be in luck because the fourth round rolls around,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a guy there with good ball skills,

742
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: inline block history, you know, like Jeremy Rucker from Ohio State.

743
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: Where you can draft them, put them in your line

744
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: up in your five so to me this like, that's

745
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Speaker 1: why in the fourth round is where I probably want

746
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: to start drafting to tight end because guys like training

747
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: and Gride from Colorado State or jal Widermeyer from Texas

748
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Speaker 1: and and they might go higher, they might go mid

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Speaker 1: and second, late, second, whatever. I You're you're not getting

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Speaker 1: George Kittle. They just don't. They don't look like that,

751
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: whether it's speed, athleticis after the catch. They don't have

752
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: that combination that makes the cow Pits, Karon Wallers, the

753
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: guys that really separate themselves. But again, there are still

754
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: a lot of guys with good ball skills, froom production,

755
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: inline ability that you'll find one before. All Right, the

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Speaker 1: p f F NFL Draft Guied is up. If you

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Speaker 1: have a subscription, go check it out. Mike any deals

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Speaker 1: and anything else big stories with the draft that you

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Speaker 1: think you know we missed and didn't cover. During the

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Speaker 1: course of this conversation, I can't think of any now

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Speaker 1: on top my heads, but appreciate draft got shout out.

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Speaker 1: It's had a hundred guys right now. It will get

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Speaker 1: up to three guys by April mid April, with a

764
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff, a lot of Senior Bowl data, combined

765
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: data pretty much anything you need to know about these

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00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: guys that you won't be able to find anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: I printed it out last year, Mike, and I must

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Speaker 1: admit I think that's the last year I'm going to

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Speaker 1: print it. It was so I had to put it

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Speaker 1: in two binders. The binders weren't big enough. I needed

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Speaker 1: to spot it into two and at that point I'm like,

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Speaker 1: why am I even doing this? Well, if you have

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Speaker 1: to pay for on printing costs, I highly recommend not

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Speaker 1: doing that. But if someone else pans forward by all

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00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: means get that thing printed up. Yeah, that that might

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00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: have got printed out at the Giants offices, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't talking about my good stuff. My friend. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: l A and we'll talk to you soon, right, brother,

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00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: appreciate John bas My granted from Pro Football Focus. Plenty

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Speaker 1: more come on your way in the Johnts Settle podcast.

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