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Speaker 1: everybody's the return of the author. Buddy Levy. He's the author.

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Speaker 1: He was he was previously way back episode one ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Was it that long ago? Yeah? I was just thinking

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Speaker 1: the same thing sitting here a couple of minutes ago,

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Speaker 1: the episode Eating Folks in the Arctic. That's a good

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Speaker 1: title to tell about the books you came because you

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Speaker 1: came in and we talked about Crockett, you bet yeah.

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Speaker 1: coming into the Country for John McPhee. My Life with

423
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: the Eskimo by Stephenson, Arctic Dreams by very Low pez Um.

424
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: Journals of Lewis and Clark explain why I don't want

425
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: to get into it. Um, But it's always on there.

426
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: I I love it that this book begins and Stephenson

427
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: is like literally finishing his manuscript of My Life with

428
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: the Eskimo. Right, Yeah, it's amazing because and by the way,

429
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: I think that contributes to some of the problems that

430
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: end up occurring. Um. But we can get into that.

431
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: So give us the year and why, like worth's going

432
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: on in America and right so you know, it's night

433
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: this story Empire of Isostone begins around nineteen thirteen. Is

434
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: the expedition in nineteen thirteen to nineteen eighteen ultimately, but

435
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Stephenson has just come back from being in the Arctic

436
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: for like four years, right, um, and he had been

437
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: on the nine five He did an expedition in in Iceland,

438
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: and then he was on the north coast of Alaska

439
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: and the Mackenzie River area, and he was really interested

440
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: in the ethnology and studying, um, the native people's there,

441
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: and also you know, My Life with the Eskimo pretty

442
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: much suggests that, Um. His theory was that a small

443
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: group of people, um, of white people with you know,

444
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: native assistance and adopting native life ways could survive for

445
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: an indefinite amount of time in the Arctic north and

446
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: even on the ice right and and moving between land

447
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: masses and and out on the Polar Sea as hunting,

448
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: hunting and eating seals primarily and walrus and you know,

449
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: back on land caribou and Arctic fox and stuff. And

450
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: he wasn't like what's cool about him two is he

451
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: wasn't sort of chasing the North Pole. He was just

452
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: trying to find uncontacted peoples and hang out with them, right.

453
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: He he was a different, uh, you know, a different

454
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: kind of explorer, more of you know, a scientist explorer

455
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: rather than trying to be the first at something. Though, um,

456
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: we can get into this a little bit later. Um,

457
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, he he was eyeballing the idea that this

458
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: place Crocker Land that Perry had said, Robert Perry had

459
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: said he'd seen from the east coast or the west

460
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: coast of Greenland that there was a landmass above Alaska

461
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: that was undiscovered. So that was kind of in the

462
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: back pocket, right, was this happening at kind of the

463
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: tail end of Arctic exploration like started in saying the

464
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: mid eighteen hundreds with search for the Northwest West passage, right,

465
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: and so, but also at the very tail end of

466
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean Peery in nineteen o nine had claimed cook

467
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: and oh eight in period nineteen o nine had had

468
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: claimed to the North Pole. So that was sort of

469
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: other even though it was contested, that was sort of

470
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: off the you know, off the bucket list for people.

471
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: They're like that one the North Pole's you know, been bagged.

472
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Now that ultimately becomes contested played out, Yeah, we don't

473
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: need to go there, um, but there you know. So

474
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Villa Almer's will Helmer Stephenson was a very serious scientist, right,

475
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: and so he was wanted to um prove in a

476
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: way that you could live, that that small groups of

477
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: people um could live off the ice and land um

478
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: for an indefinite period of time. Now, make all your clothes,

479
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: everything you need and and you know, if you're smart,

480
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: bring along uh Inuit people a seamstress and hunters um,

481
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: because their skills in these things was unparalleled. Right. Um.

482
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: So you know, in nineteen o Sevenson had been he

483
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: had just come back from like four years in the Arctic,

484
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: and he he kind of he did something really interesting.

485
00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: So there was this notion and he perpetuated it of

486
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: the blonde Eskimo. So he came back in and claims

487
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: that he's contacted while he was out there for four years,

488
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: that he's contacted these descendants of Laife Ericsson who are

489
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: blonde haired, blue eyed Eskimos or Inuit people's and you know,

490
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: because there was a mystery of what happened to the

491
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: to Laife Ericson like up in Greenland, right right, And

492
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: so then the idea was that like descendants of laf

493
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: Ericsson had um made their way to the west and

494
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: over to the islands north of Alaska and the Yukon

495
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: Coronation Goal Victorial Islands, and that they were living, that

496
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: these were descendants of laf Ericson. Now this made headlines

497
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: right New York Times, National News, and Stephenson um kind

498
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: of went with it like he just rolled with it.

499
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: He didn't. He said he had encountered these people and

500
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: that he wanted to go back and study them more.

501
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: And so part of it is that not true? Well,

502
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: it's it's not true. He was trying to milk the

503
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: idea that they were descendants of Laife Ericson. What what

504
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: is more probable, and Ahmondson talks about this later, is

505
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: that you know that more much more recent European um

506
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: explorers intermingled with the native people there. But Stephenson was

507
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: kind of rolling with this myth that these were descendants

508
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: of Laife Ericson and they were called blonde Deskot. The

509
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: had died out, they had just integrated into yeah, into

510
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: a culture, and so he used that as a marketing tool. Right.

511
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: So he gets back after four years in the Arctic

512
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: and he put this trip together, the Canadian Arctic Expedition,

513
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: which is my book is about. He he whips this

514
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: thing together in a matter of months. You know, sometimes

515
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: expeditions of this magnitude, with multiple ships and twenty scientists,

516
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, they take years to put together. Right. So

517
00:31:54,440 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: Stephenson rolls up to Seattle in n perpetuating this on

518
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: Eskimo story. The headlines eat it up. He flies over

519
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: or sails over to Europe and goes to like an

520
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: international polar conference that starts talking up like this new expedition.

521
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: He's going to go try to find these blonde Eskimos

522
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: and um right about them. And also that there's there

523
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: was a theory that there that Perry had seen this

524
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: place called Crocker Land, which was a land mass above Alaska.

525
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: It was undiscovered, right, So those two things were kind

526
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: of the impetus for UM getting this expedition put together.

527
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: So Stephenson goes over to Europe, makes a couple of presentations.

528
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: All the while he's talking to the Canadian government. He's

529
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: trying to get financing from the American Museum of Natural

530
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: History the Canadian government, and within like three or four

531
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: months he cobbles together this UM expedition that's going to

532
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: have the most scientists. I mean, this is arguable, some

533
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: will argue it, but the most scientists that have ever

534
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: been on a polar single polar voyage UM three ships, UM,

535
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: one of the greatest ice navigators in history. This guy,

536
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: Robert Bartlett from Newfoundland, suit total badass. And then you

537
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: know he's cobbling this thing together. The thing that I

538
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: found really amusing is that while so they take off,

539
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: they he gets all these scientists together, he gets the

540
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: money together from UM, the Canadian government, he agrees to

541
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: become uh you know, he was he was an Icelandic

542
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: American because he was he was born in Manitoba, and

543
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: then they moved to North Dakota when he was like

544
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: three after a couple of his family members died in

545
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: the flood, and then the family moved to Nodak and

546
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: then so the Canadian government is like, well, we'll pay

547
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: if you become a Canadian citizen. So he was just

548
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: totally flexible. He's like, I'll do whatever. You what man

549
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: signing the papers, it becomes a Canadian. So he's in

550
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: icelandic American, Canadian, you know. And uh so he cobbles

551
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: this thing together. They take the Carlak, the ship that's

552
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: like unsuited really for the task at hand, like a

553
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: whaling whaling boat. I mean it was a you know,

554
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: and it was Carlaca is the allusion word for fish,

555
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: and they it was used in Seattle in the in

556
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: the salmon industry, and it was a whaling vessel. Was

557
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: the boats about a hundred and twenty nine feet and

558
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: uh so ship. Yeah, but I mean, what what's so

559
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: bizarre about this is? And I love it in a

560
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: way about Stephenson, he's so badass. He's like Bartlett. He

561
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: ends up in listing this guy Bob Bartlett, who's who

562
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: had been The backstory on Bartlett is that he had

563
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: been on two attempts to the North Pole with Peery

564
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: as the captain of the S. S. Roosevelt. Like Per's

565
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: iron clad super badass ice breaking expedition vessel right, and

566
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: so Bartlett had gone almost in the North Pole. He

567
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: got sent back because UH Perry took Matthew Henson instead

568
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: for the final hundred and fifty miles. But he was

569
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: already a known um explorer and had one like the

570
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Hubbard medal. He was a big deal. But Stephenson ends

571
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: up like, Okay, I'm gonna use this guy, UM, and

572
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: I'll meet you in the car look um up in

573
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: in Nome. So but Stephenson takes like a cruise pleasure ship,

574
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: the s S. Victoria, and he's on the ship heading

575
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: toward or they're all gonna meet in Nome UH, and

576
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: he's he's like writing the manuscript. He's got a secretary

577
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: with him. He's finishing the book like my life with

578
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: the Eskimo, thinking about how I'm going to turn this

579
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: into a best seller. While this new expedition UH is

580
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be taking off in like a month. So

581
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: he arrives on a you know, on a separate ship

582
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: UM and then rolls up to g Nome and it's

583
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: like okay, well let's go now, manuscript and then they

584
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: take the manuscript and he how right up to the

585
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: deadline was he was he a popular writer well a time, yeah,

586
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean he was becoming, um, like an Arctic expert. Right.

587
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: But so this thing he had spent four years, Um,

588
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: he was just dropping this manuscript that was going to

589
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: be like my life with the Eskimo, how you know,

590
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: here's how it's done. And then but that was gonna

591
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: be published like probably when he came back or handled

592
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: by other people so that he would come back to uh,

593
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, a best seller. And he's got the follow up, right,

594
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: he's got the sequel. Um, that's what I've been doing.

595
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: Labruth Device, Empire Advice and then Realm of Ice and uh. Um.

596
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: But what I found so interesting about him is like,

597
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: so he was he was multidimensional. You know, he already

598
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: had lived um in small you know, with small groups,

599
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: um in like the Mackenzie River Delta for years and

600
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: living pretty much off the ice and land and sea ice,

601
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: and so he had um, he was very good at that.

602
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: I think what he was less skillful at is organizing

603
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: an expedition of the magnitude of the Canadian Arctic Expedition. Yeah,

604
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: these guys, you know it goes to ship so unbelievably fast.

605
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's like, I mean literally like they leave

606
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: and then then it went to ship. They leave and

607
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: they get all there's you know, like they leave um esquimal.

608
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: They end up going to Nome, and then Bartlett, the

609
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: captain of who's from Newfoundland, he's like, this ship, you know,

610
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: it's not really suited. This guy has been the former

611
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: captain of the Roosevelt, like super bad vessel, right, and

612
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: he's in this this uh small ship with I think

613
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: the um he called the engine. He said, it has

614
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: the power of a coffee pot. It's just not I mean.

615
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, these were not um. They weren't

616
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: technically icebreakers anyway, but they had to be nimble and

617
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: they had to be sheathed in hardwood so that you're

618
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: going to encounter ice. Right. The problem is that when

619
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: they took off, when they Bartlett finally stops and says, okay,

620
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: we need to do some work. We got a retrofit

621
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: to what time of year did they Well, so they're

622
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: taking off in July and you know in that in

623
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: that region, the window is pretty short anyway for navigable waters.

624
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: Um and there they were trying to make it from

625
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: uh Nome after they got through the Bearing Street and everything.

626
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: They're trying to make it from Gnome over to Herschel Island,

627
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: which is above Um the Canadian yukon Um to the east,

628
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: so just you know, some a few hundred miles or something,

629
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: and the goal was to get there and then they

630
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: were gonna unload all the ships and like retrofit everything

631
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: and then get get it together from there. And there's

632
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: a sort of ongoing joke among the members of the ship.

633
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: They're like, because what happens is they leave so fast

634
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: um because the weather window is closing that they don't

635
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: have all They've got three ships, the car Look which

636
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: is the flagship of the expedition, the Alaska, and the

637
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: mary Sacks, and they're all going to be used in

638
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: different ways, but they have all the wrong equipment on

639
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: the wrong and the wrong members on the wrong ships.

640
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: So Stephenson is like, we'll sort that out at Herschel

641
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 1: Island and they end up like it becomes a joke

642
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: among the men. Barlett says it a few times. They're like,

643
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: we can't find the you know, we can't find certain

644
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: scientific tools, and they're like, you got a geologist on

645
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: the car Look and he needs other equipment that's on

646
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: the Mary Sacks, which, by the way, after they all

647
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: leave their separated within a day, the armada is completely separated,

648
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 1: and they never see the Alaska or the Merry Sacks again.

649
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: The people of the calling the Carlic, don't you know. Yeah,

650
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: it's like it's like like I want I want to

651
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: make sure people understand. It's be like, let's say you

652
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: have a big group of friends. You're all going to

653
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: go on some kind of monster hunting trip, road trip,

654
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: hunting trip, and you're all planning on being in different

655
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: areas hunting different ship. But you're in such a eagerness

656
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: to get out of there and get some miles behind

657
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: you that you just load everything randomly into truck and

658
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: you're not even in the truck you're supposed to be

659
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: in for where you're ultimately going, and then you pull

660
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: out of the parking lot and never see each other again.

661
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: How was the hunt? Well, yeah, so it's it's it's

662
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: really funny you point out, like how quickly this thing

663
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: becomes a debacle. Right, So there Stephenson's on the Carla

664
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: and Captain barlett Or is on the Carla and a

665
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: number of the scientists, right, But then some of them

666
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: are on the Alaska the ray sacks, and they get separated,

667
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: like the day out. So then the ship the Carlick

668
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: gets There was a really really heavy winter ice and

669
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: snow much earlier, so by August early August, they're experiencing

670
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: snow squalls, really zero degree temperatures, and you know they're

671
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: they're starting to encounter big ice pack already, and they're

672
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: they're just like five ten miles off the coast of

673
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: Alaska at this point. Uh, And you know the guy like,

674
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: so there's a bunch of the wrong equipment and a

675
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: bunch of the wrong people are all those ships, and

676
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: then within days, um, they get encased in. So Bartlett

677
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: makes what's kind of a controversial decision, right, So you

678
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: could either in those days there were different theories. You

679
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: could either hug the shoreline, stay close to shore in

680
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: case things got iced up, and then you can make

681
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: it to land like like you ditched the boat, yeah yeah,

682
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: or maybe the boat you find uh enclosed protected bay

683
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: and then you win her there the time the next session.

684
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: But the other approach was to go out farther offshore,

685
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: where often there were bigger open leads and open leads

686
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: of water, and and so Bartlett, after consulting with Stephenson,

687
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: and this becomes kind of controversial because they don't really

688
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: agree on who said what. Bartlett decides to take the

689
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: Boulder choice, which is to go offshore and then head

690
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: east through not you know, weaving through open leads between

691
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: the ice and make it to Harold Island. Yeah. I

692
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: just want to clarify thing here, and you can chime

693
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: in on this. The way you can imagine the polar

694
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: ice is um, it's fracturing all the time and coming

695
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: back together again, and windstorms will blow big chunks away,

696
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: so you you can pick your way through it, and

697
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: then it'll get calm and everything will well together, right,

698
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: and then it might break apart in a different fashion.

699
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: So they're literally like getting stuck in the ice. Then

700
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: they drift for a day and then all of a

701
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: sudden it opens up and they can make some more headway. Yeah,

702
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: and then they dodge chunk eyes and they get frozen

703
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: into some more ice, and then they realize they're still

704
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: moving because the ice. Then they're stuck in ice that's

705
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: moving right. It's high. It's kind of like going through

706
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, an ice jigsaw puzzle whose pieces are being

707
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: moved around by wind and current. Right, and so there's

708
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: kind of there's a way to weave your way through

709
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: the labyrinth. Um, and you know, you have to make

710
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: headway when these things open and part, and there's like

711
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: a few miles of open water. But the stuff is

712
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: all happening earlier than usual, and so um, they never

713
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: The irony of this is that, like the first thing

714
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: they're trying to do, We're gonna take these three ships leave,

715
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: go over Point Barrow and then head east to this

716
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: place called Herschel Island and meet there. They never even

717
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: do that. So like because the car Now, what ends

718
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: up happening is that the two other ships, the Alaska

719
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: and the mary Sacks, they make it through. But the

720
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: story that I follow concerns itself more with what happens

721
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: to the members of the car. Look, which is the flagship,

722
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: and Stephenson and the Captain Bartlett are both on it,

723
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: so and a bunch of scientists and then an Inuit

724
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: family and um, a couple of hunters. So Barlett Truck

725
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: makes the bold move he's going to go offshore and

726
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: try to make his way north and then up and

727
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: around and meet it at Herschel Island. Within days, they

728
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: are what's called biss set or encased in like a

729
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: mile square of ice, right, so it it sort of

730
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: knits all around them and they're they're like, you know,

731
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: floating iceberg, though it's not like high berg. It's it's

732
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: like a flat flow and it's well then so and

733
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: and then things really go wack. So they hang out

734
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: on the ship like waiting around for a while to

735
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: figure out like what's going to happen, and to really

736
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: important things happen early on UM one is that while

737
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: they're still within striking distance of the northern Alaskan coastline,

738
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: Stephenson in in second week in September, decides, Hey, I'm

739
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: gonna go caribou hunting. He basically tells Captain Bartlett, I'm

740
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: gonna go cariboo hunting. I'll be gone for about ten

741
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: days to two weeks should no disaster occur. And Barlt's like,

742
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: what you're going caribo hunting? And no, he pieced out heat.

743
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: So there's a whole there's a whole thing that's going

744
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: on here, which is that UM And you know I

745
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: told you I have not really I hate spoilers, but

746
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you gotta lay it out. Yeah,

747
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: And so they're they're frozen in they've been floating in

748
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: kind of a circuitous weaving way. They're not going any

749
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: one direction for very long for a couple for like

750
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: a month. Stephenson's all auntsie because he's like, Okay, my expedition,

751
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: the to other ships are somewhere. I gotta get out

752
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: of here, you know, like I should probably go to

753
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: land Um. And so he says, I'm going caribou hunting

754
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: because under the pretense that they need fresh meat, because

755
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: if they are going to be stuck for a really

756
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: long time on the ship, they're gonna they're gonna they've

757
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: got like a couple of years with how much is

758
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: he really gonna hauld back anyway? That's what I was

759
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna ask. Where they set up for like kind of

760
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: a normal Arctic expedition where they were prepared to be

761
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: there for years, were prepared to be there for maybe

762
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: two years. And they have Pelican because they have like

763
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: they have like presumably former information to base stuff off of,

764
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: like the terror and the Arabis like disappearing, and like

765
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: you think they would they kind of be like man

766
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: hip could go bad out right, So usually you would

767
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: bring more food than you you know, you for a year,

768
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: and then you gotta figure like if they is go

769
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: really poorly, we gotta have even more. But so Stephenson says, um,

770
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: going Caribo hunting. I'm taking these two Inuit hunters can

771
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: be named Jimmy and Jerry, and also the a couple

772
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: of the scientists who were supposed to be on the

773
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: other ships. They're supposed to be doing like ethnological study

774
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: over in above northern Canada. And so he's like, I

775
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: need to take those two guys so that they can

776
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: go where they're supposed to go. And then he brings

777
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: this photographer along, um, this guy named Wilkins, which is

778
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: kind of cool because then you've got this photographic image

779
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: of Stephenson leaving the car. Look like he can't you know,

780
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: he's got the dog sled team and he's like charging

781
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: off and the ship's bailing on his expedition, and there's

782
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: like photographic evidence of him doing it, you know. But

783
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: he says, I'm going hunting and I'll be back, and

784
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: you should probably like big coal fires around the ship

785
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: in case so I can see it so immediately like

786
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: it's just a bad timing, right immediately the freaking whopper

787
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: of a storm comes in. Stephenson gets about like six

788
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: to eight miles and he gets to this little island

789
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: um right above it's called I think I'll find it later.

790
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: But he was walking across the So he's walking across

791
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: the pack ice with dogs led team. He took the

792
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: best dogs too, the best hunters and best and so

793
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: he's like gets to this island and as their camp there,

794
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: a massive storm comes in and by the time the

795
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: like sky is clear, he looks out and the carlak

796
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: is freaking gone, and now it's blining like to thirty

797
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: miles a day on the Arctic drift, just blowing the wind,

798
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: blowing in the wind towards Siberia, right, So he's like,

799
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: where's your ship? Um? So at that point, you know,

800
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: Stephenson makes he has to wait on this island for

801
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: like a week for the for the because now the

802
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: storm also breaks up the ice all around the little

803
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: island is on, so that he there's he's like, there's

804
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: water water, he can't get across um. So he waits

805
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: it out. He's kind of cool. They build like this

806
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: fifteen foot driftwood observation tower where he's up there like looking, dude,

807
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: wears my ship kind of situation, you know. And then

808
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: he just goes to land with these um two INU

809
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: hunters and the photographer and another scientist and he was

810
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: just kind of right, the whole thing off bails he

811
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: so he well, in fairness, he's got it. He's got

812
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: this sort of dance to do because he wants to

813
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: continue doing the scientific work and he knows that two

814
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: of the ships are somewhere. Uh, if he can find them,

815
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: he can maybe re outfit and retrofit and like do

816
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: the and keep doing the science on off the coast

817
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: of Alaska and the Yukon. But as far as the

818
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: carlt goes, he pretty much just puts it out of

819
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: his mind. Um. And then at that point, you know,

820
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: the ship is moving pretty fast toward the northwest and

821
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: it's it's spookily following. Uh. There's a drift that is

822
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: known at that point UM a ship that was captained

823
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: by DeLong And the book that um Hampton Sides wrote

824
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: called In the Kingdom of Ice talks about that journey

825
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: where that that ship got encased in the ice very

826
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: near Wrangel Island where these guys get marooned, and it

827
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: goes for like, I don't know, over a year, and

828
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: and Nonsen, the Norwegian legend, had intentionally encased his ship,

829
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: the Fram in ice to follow this same drift pattern

830
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: to prove that that was the way the prevailing drift went.

831
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: And Nonsen was clever enough. I can never figure out

832
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: why these people didn't learn from Fritz Nonsen, because he

833
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: he designed a boat called the Fram, and he designed

834
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: the hull to be rounded so that when inevitably the

835
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: ice flows encased around your ship, it lifted the boat

836
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: up onto the flow, and then you've just got like

837
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: a hotel, you know, and so instead of like crushing

838
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: the ship. So I mean, it never never really understood

839
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: why they didn't start building all of these ships that

840
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: we're going to be used in this way with rounded halls.

841
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: It's like, um, but they didn't. So anyway, now the

842
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: story ends up being about like it toggles back and

843
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: forth between what I stay with Stephenson for a while

844
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: to uh follow his actions and in actions, and then

845
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: the story goes to what happens to the members of

846
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: the car like because they are saga is really only

847
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: just beginning and Stephensons planned to go overland to the

848
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 1: rendezvous point or was that even Yeah, well so he

849
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: he did, in fact, like he girlfriends, Oh well, they're right.

850
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: So there's a It turns out he had a secret

851
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: wife and child like in New piet and um I

852
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: theorized that that was partly what his thing was, is

853
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: that he was like, I mean, either I'm probably going

854
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: to be on this ship for a year maybe two. Uh,

855
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm like within ten miles of land, I'm

856
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: freaking out of here. I mean, you know, he makes

857
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of excuses about like the caribou hunt, but

858
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: there was some suggestion that the caribou were sort of

859
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: out of that area by then, like and he they don't.

860
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: They don't get a caribou ever, Like it's like okay.

861
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: So then he ends up reuniting with this um wife

862
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: named Fanny that will call her his indigenous spouse. Uh.

863
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: And they had a young son named Alex, and he

864
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: had left them a few years before and and then

865
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: so he's gonna reunite with her and then try to

866
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: cobble together the remnants of this exhibition for which he has,

867
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, convinced the Canadian government to give him many

868
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars, so you know, he he

869
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: had some rationale to like make this thing work. The

870
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: thing is he I just find that his in action

871
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: around trying to like do anything about the car look

872
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: um ends up being why I view him as a

873
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: little bit villainous. But not I mean, he's he becomes

874
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: he does great science. But anyway, so then the story

875
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: becomes about, like what the hell happens to this ship

876
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: floating in a square mile of ice across the Arctic Ocean. Yeah, yeah,

877
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: we can, we can leave Steven Stevens and behind. But um,

878
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: leading up to it, what was interesting is he's doing

879
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: media and there and he'll he says kind of like

880
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: cryptic ship that the people on the crew um like

881
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: he's a little fatalistic, all the things that could go wrong,

882
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, And people on the crew keep reading or

883
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: reading like interviews from him, like this guy's out of

884
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: his mind. Well he's quite comfortable with the fact that,

885
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: you know, he's like we may never return well, and

886
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: and he says at one point, like the scientific inquiry,

887
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: everyone on the crew and scientists know that the um

888
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: that the goals of the expedition and the scientific information

889
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: is much more important than either the ship or the

890
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: lives of its members. And they're like, wait, but I'm

891
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: one of those. What's going on on? Wait, I'm gonna die,

892
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying. And so, yeah, they're not happy,

893
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: and they have like, you know, they have big meetings.

894
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: This is before they ever even leave, and you know

895
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: some of them are saying like, I'm not going if

896
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: that's the case, right, if that's his attitude. Well, also

897
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: he makes them sign over, which was not uncommon at time,

898
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: Like they're all going to keep journals and diaries and stuff,

899
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, or I wouldn't have these books, you know. Um.

900
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: But Stephens is like, oh, by the way, while he

901
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: was in up organizing this trip, he's like made all

902
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: these sweet publishing deals and media deals with um, you

903
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: know papers in England, the New York Times, the Globe

904
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: and Mail in Toronto, and he's like secured book rights

905
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: and everything, and so he's like, oh, yeah, you guys

906
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: gotta hand over all your journals and stuff. Um. So

907
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: he decided he's not gonna get paid. They're all getting paid.

908
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: So as rationality is, look, you're getting paid. I'm not

909
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: getting paid as a member of this expedition, even though

910
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm the expedition leader, but I'm gonna get paid on

911
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: the back end on publishing rights. So he's organized this

912
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: whole um empire of of publishing, and you know they're

913
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 1: reading about this in the paper also going well, so wait,

914
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: what about like what about us? And he's like, you know,

915
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: you signed, you signed the contracts. What can I tell

916
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: you? You You know, get on this ship, man, Let's pick

917
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: it back up with the car. Look, right, so this

918
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: is where the story where guy think gets really freaking good.

919
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: I look at it in terms of like third or

920
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: three stages of what happens. Right, So, after Stephenson goes

921
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: in his carrybo hunt, you've got I don't know, man,

922
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: the numbers are elusive to me, but like seventeen, no twenty,

923
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: some members are still on the ship. Um, you've got

924
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: like thirty sled dogs. Right, You've got a couple of

925
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: these skin umiaks that are pretty cool. You've got a

926
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: house cat. They got a house cat and Rock who's

927
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: just awesome tough cat. Um, and they're floating really fast

928
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: on this in case of ice, towards Siberia, essentially towards

929
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: the north of Siberia. Now that they float for months

930
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: right now, this is not uncommon, like you know, um,

931
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: and the ship is set up right so they've got

932
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: they're still trying to do some science right there. They

933
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: got this dredging um mechanism, and they build an iglue

934
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: out off the ship and they this one scientist Murray

935
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: is like hauling up also to creatures and you see

936
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: life that has never been seen before. They were doing

937
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: legitimate science, but um, that ends up sort of falling

938
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 1: apart because they got like that, like sextants and whatever.

939
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: They know where they're at. They're taking soundings of depth. Yeah,

940
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: they have a general idea of where they are. Um.

941
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: But but now okay, it's starting to get to be September, October, November, December,

942
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: right so then in the whether you know, now the

943
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: lights gone. Uh so now you've got basically Arctic night

944
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: has fallen on him. They can't you know, they can't

945
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: really take readings anymore. It's pretty much dark, and so

946
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: they're floating along. They celebrate like Christmas on the ship

947
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: they're out there. What I love too is that you

948
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: know they're they're doing some really interesting things. They got

949
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: this um character who's on the ship named yard Mom,

950
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: and he's only twenty two and he's a Norwegian um

951
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: guy who who's really into skiing. He was a ski champion.

952
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: So he's like teaching all the he's teaching Captain Bartlett

953
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: and all the other scientists how to ski. Right, they

954
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: build jumps and stuff kind of wise because Barlett like

955
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: bites it at one point and almost breaks his hip.

956
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, he's like, probably don't need the Captain, you know,

957
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: doing Nordic ski jumping here, right, Like what the hell?

958
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: And but you know they're living, They've got enough food.

959
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: They you know, they're the living quarters are fine. They

960
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: shooting polar bears. They shoot a couple of polar bears

961
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: and rout um. They go duck hunting. One of the

962
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: scenes I really love is that they had these Peterborough

963
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: canoes that were on the ship that they were going

964
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: to be using. They were going to sort those out

965
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: at Harold Island and they were gonna use them on

966
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: the Mackenzie River Delta. But so they take these out

967
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: in some of them, they start noticing a lot of

968
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: ducks out there, right, So the couple of the Inuit

969
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: members who they had hired on at Barraw Point Barrow

970
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: are doing a lot of seal hunting and Bartlett and

971
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: one of the couple of the scientists are are like, well,

972
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of ducks out there, and they did

973
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: have some shotguns. So they end up taking these Peterborough

974
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: canoes out in the in the open leads and it's

975
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: pretty cool, like they set behind these ice humms as

976
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,959
Speaker 1: a blind and then they go flush up a bunch

977
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: of ducks. And you know, these these guys were not

978
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: practicing uh, you know, game sportsmanship. They're like water sluicing knucks.

979
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: You know, they won't need them for food. So they

980
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: get a bunch of ducks and and um, they're shooting.

981
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: They shoot a few polar bears. Um. I was surprised

982
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: too that they're eating those bears raw. Yeah, yeah, I

983
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: mean avoid the liver though, Um but yeah, yea you

984
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: explain that, well, well, so they can kill you. Yeah.

985
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: The bears eat high uh portion of seals, right, and

986
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: so they end up having um large quantities of vitamin

987
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: A in their livers. It turns out, and if you eat,

988
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: if you eat a bunch of this it'll kill you.

989
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of cool because the the inuite members

990
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: of the expedition seem to know this, right. I Like

991
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: there was a um there are stories that were like

992
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: of the what the heck the name of that expedition,

993
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: but of the the Dutch expedition that went in seven

994
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: But they these guys Barrens, William Barrens, like they didn't know, right.

995
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: So they're they're eating, they're eating barrel livers and m

996
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: getting super sick and dying. Um. So yeah, they you know,

997
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: at this point there Bartlett has decided like, okay, our goal.

998
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: Now they know generally from the logs of DeLong the

999
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: trip that like had to go ten months more in

1000
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,439
Speaker 1: case and ice, it blew by Wrangle Island and never

1001
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: was in striking distance of it, so they missed it.

1002
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: Barlton knows that Wrangel Island is really the only hope

1003
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: if they're going to make it to land. Once they

1004
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: start moving thirty to sixty miles a day in the

1005
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: in the drift and current, and as it happens, they

1006
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: they reach a certain point where they're probably within a

1007
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: d it and they they're able to see it. Okay,

1008
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: at a certain point. But but the problem is now

1009
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: larger flows are starting to encroach around the flow that

1010
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: they're on, and there's there they're gonna get pinched there.

1011
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: They know they're gonna get probably crushed. Right, So Bartlett

1012
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: has the good sense to begin offloading a whole bunch

1013
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: of gear, food sleds, they build kennels for the dogs,

1014
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, very organized, and he's getting ready to take

1015
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: a walk. He's getting ready if this thing, if the

1016
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: boat ship gets crushed, we're gonna have to live on

1017
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: the ice for a while, right, And so, um it

1018
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: takes a little while, right, So there's some false alarms

1019
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: that these fang like you know, teeth of ice crushed

1020
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: into the side. But then they're pumping. They're able to

1021
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: pump it out for a while. They actually are able

1022
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: at one point to um unload a bunch of the

1023
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: stuff and the and the car look rises up so

1024
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: it's not as imperiled. And that sort of the picture

1025
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: on the covers is when it was a little bit

1026
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: up higher and they've got ice blocks of stuff shoring

1027
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: it up. Eventually that's all, you know, the ice is

1028
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: way too powerful and the ship gets crushed and by

1029
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: that time though Bartlett has had the great forethought to

1030
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: have you know, year's worth of food and gear, and

1031
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: they've built some iglue shelters and they with a lot

1032
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: of the crates and stuff. They have one it's called

1033
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: the Box House. So they have manufactured sleds. Yeah, they

1034
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: manufactured some Peri style sleds while still on the car. Look,

1035
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: and they've got dogs. So Bartlett's thinking is, okay, if

1036
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: I can if the ship gets crushed. When the ship

1037
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: gets crushed, we're gonna have to live on the ice

1038
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: until March when the light gets good enough to travel again. Right,

1039
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: And so invariably the ship does get crushed. Um, it's

1040
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: a great scene though. I love the scene where Bartlett's

1041
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: got a flair for the dramatic. Right, So he's he's

1042
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: in the he's in the galley. Now everyone's off on

1043
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: the at the box House and the ice House. They're

1044
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: they've taken everything off there. They've got their um beds,

1045
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, sleeping situations set up. And Bartlett's like stays

1046
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: in the galley and he's got like a phonograph and

1047
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: he's playing record after record and then theatrically kind of

1048
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: throwing them into the fire. You know, and he saves

1049
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: He saves Chopin's Funeral March for the last one. And

1050
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, I would love to see this in a

1051
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: film like Great, because he's like puts it on, you know,

1052
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: and it's got this like dirge thing you could death

1053
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: is coming like, and he goes out onto the rail.

1054
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: The scene in the movie you would think this is

1055
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: because what are you doing? I mean, and he stands

1056
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: on the rail and then you know, right as Funeral

1057
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: March is playing, the notes are drifting off into the

1058
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: Arctic wind. I milk this pretty hard, by the way,

1059
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: and then you know he steps off and the car.

1060
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of bizarre, like to think you're

1061
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: sitting there the ship you've been on for a few months.

1062
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: There it is, and like when it goes down, you know,

1063
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: it's like they've raised the flag to full mass and

1064
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: then it's like it goes down. The flag goes down,

1065
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: everybody's watching, and then the steam spout is like you

1066
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: just see and then all of a sudden, your ship's

1067
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: gone and you're on the ice going okay, now what right?

1068
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: The story becomes about To me, I think that one

1069
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: of the coolest elements is that Bartlett's driven. He understands

1070
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,959
Speaker 1: kind of the situation, which is, I've got to get

1071
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: these people to land now. Stephenson later argues, and I

1072
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: think incorrectly that they should have probably bolted like he

1073
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: did way earlier, um across the ice. But Stephenson was

1074
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: already a very skilled uh ice traveler, and he had

1075
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: lived with, you know, the Inuit, and he he knew

1076
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: how to do it in small teams. You know, you've

1077
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: got like fifty and seventeen people, only a few of

1078
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: them had any experience on ice. Bartlett and this guy

1079
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: named John Hadley that they had picked up in Barrow

1080
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: also um and other than that, you know, these are

1081
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: not experienced Arctic travelers except the Inuit that they were

1082
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: with that they had brought, who basically save all their lives.

1083
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: But so Barlet knows, Okay, at some point, I'm going

1084
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: to have to get all these people to Wrangle Island

1085
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: if we get close enough to it, and then I'm

1086
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna probably have to go myself with maybe one of

1087
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: the two um Inuits curral Luck and Ktectovic, and take

1088
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: them across the long straight south to Siberia and then

1089
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: go somehow get word to the larger world that there

1090
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: were marooned on Wrangle Island or their maroon on Wrangle Island,

1091
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: because he reasons that not going on moss with twenty

1092
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: some people is not going to work. Yeah, and only

1093
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: one as far as they know, only one white guy

1094
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: has ever been there. Yeah, like mirror right, Yeah, yeah,

1095
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean John Muir, the naturalists you know, had like

1096
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: written the only real first descriptions of the place. Right.

1097
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that they know too that that Wrangel

1098
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: Island has driftwood, right, and another island doesn't have driftwood. Yeah,

1099
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: Harold Island doesn't have driftwood, and it's small and uninhabitable,

1100
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: but it's really close. It's like within thirty miles of

1101
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: Wrangel Island, and then Rangel Island is I mean, it

1102
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: has populations of polar bear, it has populations of walrus.

1103
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: It ends up having a lot, a lot of wildlife. Um.

1104
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: But let me hit you with another quick stuff and

1105
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: something from my life with the Eskimo when he's up

1106
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: in the High Arctic, he's on he's with hunters who

1107
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: have never seen a tree, but they have driftwood. Their

1108
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: explanation of what driftwood is. They think it's a plant

1109
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: that grows under the water. It seems reasonable. Yeah, I mean,

1110
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: he's like, it's ship, it's probably he speculates that it's

1111
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: trees washing out Mackenzie Delta going into the Arctic Ocean

1112
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: landing on these islands. And then you just like, I

1113
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: don't know where that ship came from. It's a it's

1114
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: a seaweed. Yeah, that's really cool. You've never seen a tree. Yeah,

1115
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: it just by the way, there are no there are

1116
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: no trees on Wrangl Islands. So the driftwood, you know,

1117
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: has has come from other places, right, and you know,

1118
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: luckily they know that from these these law us that

1119
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: they had and um, and so that you know, Barlett

1120
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: understands that basically, if I can get them all to

1121
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: Wrangle Island, I gotta go then for help, right, and

1122
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: then that's a whole other ordeal. So the book essentially

1123
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: toggles between I mean, get first of all, getting to

1124
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: Wrangle Island from after they take all the stuff off

1125
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 1: the ship. That place is called they name it shipwreck camp.

1126
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's like makes sense. And so they're like

1127
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: that they've got a complicated problem, which is that they've

1128
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: got a year's worth of food. We can't move. We

1129
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: can't move it like you can move some of it

1130
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: and fuel. Right, So there's an odyssey of getting from

1131
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: shipwreck camp to Wrangle Island and then the other odyssey

1132
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: of Barlett trying to go get help. Well real quick,

1133
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: hit those dudes that that try the other guys that

1134
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: pieced out right, So um is really while they're drifting

1135
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: along Stephenson's left and you know, during the dark night,

1136
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: things are starting to get you know, as they do

1137
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: on a ship, like some people are getting freaking cabin

1138
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: fever and some people are like you know, uh, we're

1139
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 1: in close proximity. There's arguments and the scientists, uh three

1140
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: of them. One is named Murray, one is named Mackay um,

1141
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: and this other Frenchman named Rich and that those three

1142
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: guys um. The two guys um Forbes, Mackay and Murray

1143
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: had been with Shackleton on the nineteen o nine expedition.

1144
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 1: So in the in those expeditions, they didn't use dogs.

1145
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: They're like man hauled, right, so harnesses on you and

1146
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: you're pulling lighter loads, right, and so for a number

1147
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: of reasons that aren't fully explained, like why they're so

1148
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: adamant Um. These three guys decide we want to leave

1149
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: the car. Look, go it alone. We want to go

1150
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: it alone. And Bartlett is in a tough spot because,

1151
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, in if if this were a military situation,

1152
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: he would be able to say, like, you, you you can't

1153
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 1: leave the ship. I'm in command of you and the ship.

1154
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: But because they were scientists hired by Stephenson, it was

1155
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: sort of a gray area. And Bartlett um decides that

1156
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: he's going to support them in their decision. I mean,

1157
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 1: there were some murmurings of mutiny and stuff at a

1158
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: certain point. But and actually the three guys asked this

1159
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: other Norwegian guy, um if he will go with them,

1160
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: and he's really become close to Bartlin, He's devoted to him.

1161
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: He's like, basically, if you asked me again, we're going

1162
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: to have a problem, you know, like I'm not going

1163
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: with you, and um, you could could ask me about it.

1164
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: But so they end up um striking off on their

1165
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: own and before Bartlett and the rest of them head

1166
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: for Wrangel Island. Now what's kind of cool is that

1167
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: they have built a series of in knowing that they

1168
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: have to transport all this gear and food in the

1169
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: direction of Wrangle Island. They built a bunch of of

1170
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: like a relay system of igloos, maybe ten miles apart.

1171
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool, really smart, because you know, if

1172
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: you keep going back and forth and bringing some stuff,

1173
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: setting up cash is, coming back to shipwreck camp, and

1174
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: then going forward again and moving to and building another igloo,

1175
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: you're also creating a kind of trail. You know, there's

1176
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot of wind blown activity and so and so.

1177
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't stay completely there, but they mark these igloos

1178
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 1: with flattened Pemmican tins so that they can hopefully see them. Um,

1179
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: but these three guys decided to go it alone, and um,

1180
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: they don't take dogs, even though Bartlett offers them dogs

1181
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: because they had were used to the man hauling technique

1182
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: that they used with Bartlett makes a sign of things

1183
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: saying a waiver. It makes a sign of things saying

1184
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: we've decided to take off. Yeah, but it's not my fault.

1185
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: Are they gonna do the same thing the rest of

1186
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: the crew is gonna do? Are they just they got

1187
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 1: a different plan. They got different plan, and they said, well,

1188
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: we think going to use some of the igloos on

1189
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: our way. But their plan is to is to head

1190
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: south either. They were kind of clueless because they didn't

1191
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: at this point, they didn't exactly know, you know, to

1192
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: the spot where they are. They have a general notion

1193
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: that they're like, you know, one hundred miles west of

1194
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 1: Wrangle Island, but I mean it's a pretty big space

1195
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: out there, so they end up going on their own.

1196
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: There's a really really grim scene in which um Barlett

1197
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: continues to uh send out his own small teams that

1198
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: are going to try to make it over in in

1199
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: like relays to Wrangle Island, and they come across these

1200
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: guys after like a week or ten days on one

1201
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: of their forays. And I mean it's a really grim scene.

1202
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: You know, like two guys are sitting there. Uh. One

1203
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: guy's hand is out of its glove. Um and this

1204
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: is Murray, you know, and he has himself with a

1205
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: Pemmican tin and he's got like infected hand, right, it's

1206
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: all swollen up, and um, they're they're barely moving, They're

1207
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: all you can tell. Their faces are all frost bitten.

1208
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: They don't really know what direction they're going. And the

1209
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: other guys from Varlett's teams are you know, they're on

1210
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: dog sleds and they're they're like, you guys need help, right,

1211
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: and they say, well we we decided to do it alone.

1212
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: The mile behind them is this French guy, Henri Bouschot,

1213
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: who um is just in a dire situation. They and

1214
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: there's all this strewn gear like they've been lightning their loads.

1215
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: So it's like you know, a yard sale. And you said,

1216
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: you said they had only been out there like a

1217
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: week at that, yeah, a week to ten days and

1218
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: and and there you know, but they're frozen like they

1219
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: haven't been, um taking good care of themselves. Like what

1220
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: you need to do is each night, get to an

1221
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: igloo or build an igloo, set up a primus stove,

1222
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: eat food, stay warm, stay dry if you can, and

1223
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,799
Speaker 1: hope that, of course, that the ice doesn't crack underneath

1224
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: your igloo, which it often did, you know. Um. And

1225
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: then so they've come across like the strewn gear and

1226
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: everything pemmican, and they come across this Henre boshock guy

1227
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: and he's he's just his feet are halfway out of

1228
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: his mucklucks, his his gloves are mittens are off, you know,

1229
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: his hands are like black and necrotic and pustules and

1230
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: he's like them, they're like, we need to take you

1231
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: back to shipwreck camp. Get on the sled and he says,

1232
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, let me die, and like I'm done. Um,

1233
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: and you you know, then they just like cluck the

1234
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: dogs on and head out. It's kind of and those

1235
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: dudes never seen again. It's just like never seen again,

1236
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: you know. In fairness, Bartlett sort of makes token efforts

1237
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: to look for him a couple of times. But um,

1238
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,799
Speaker 1: four other guys get stranded on um on Harold Island,

1239
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: which they came to accidentally, you know, they were trying

1240
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 1: to reach Wrangle Island and they ended up on Harrold

1241
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: is Harold Island, which is that really small, inhospitable, no

1242
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: drift wouold, no food place, and they're those guys, um

1243
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,839
Speaker 1: are screwed. You know. Yeah, when did someone find their bodies?

1244
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: It's like nineteen twenty six, I'm thinking lands on the islands. Yeah,

1245
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: and they this they were US, um, the US expedition

1246
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: and they um, I believe they were. They had the

1247
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: notion of finding out if they were still there. They

1248
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: were aware of them, They were aware of them, and

1249
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, so it's like, but what's What's interesting is

1250
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: that that so for four members, Barlett's trying to get

1251
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: everybody over to Wrangle Island. But during the during these

1252
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: relay halls, UM, at one point Mom and Yard, Mom

1253
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: and the Norwegian member of the team. Um, he gets

1254
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: disoriented and he ends up like within two miles of

1255
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: Harold Island. And at this point everyone's in mom and

1256
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 1: is in pretty bad condition, you know, he's like dislocated

1257
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: his knee and there they don't have that much food left.

1258
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: He realizes he's at the wrong island. So he decides, uh,

1259
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: after consultation with the other members of that little advanced team,

1260
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: that he's going to go back to shipwreck Camp and

1261
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 1: these guys can stay there within like two miles of

1262
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: this island. But um, there's there's open leads of water

1263
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: between it and the island at the moment. So it

1264
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: has to make a hard decision, right. He's kind of,

1265
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: um the leader of this little team, and he says,

1266
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm going back to shipwright Camp. You guys make it here,

1267
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: And then they write letters to Barlett saying, Okay, here's

1268
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Stay here as long as I can,

1269
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: as long as we can come try to get us.

1270
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: If we don't hear from you will eventually make it

1271
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: over to Wrangle Island ourselves. How are they all kind

1272
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: of getting split up? And I mean it's really what's

1273
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: interesting about that is like, you know, if you think

1274
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: about polar ce a lot of times you imagine it

1275
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: being flat, you know. And what is so remarkable about

1276
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: this landscape seascape is how ruptured and undulating and uh,

1277
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: you know difficulty, Yeah you so. And also you know

1278
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: the light. There's a really great question though. You know

1279
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: there are there are also um experiencing a lot of

1280
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: um Arctic mirages, right there are these um like uh,

1281
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: celestial conditions make it so that um, something out there

1282
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,799
Speaker 1: will appear to be a land mass and it's like uh,

1283
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: you know water sky that has come up over open

1284
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: water and you know it sort of looks like a

1285
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 1: land mass and it's like an optical illusion. So that's

1286
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: part of it. Um. The conditions of trying to navigate

1287
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: are really hard because the ice is continually breaking up,

1288
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: and so you can't go in a straight line. You

1289
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: have to follow leads till they narrow and then cross

1290
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:10,799
Speaker 1: there um and so they end up getting quite disoriented. Uh,

1291
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: in a number of instances. But once they have this

1292
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: start hit with another stuff and until your guy Stephenson

1293
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: talked about one time stalking a grizzly bear that wand

1294
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: up being a ground squirrel. We're talking about he talking

1295
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: about how deceptive, Oh, the Arctic light is. Yeah, and

1296
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: there's another guy that was like, I can't remember which

1297
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: way it was, like they think they're looking at island

1298
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: and it has two glaciers. It's a walrus head sticking

1299
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: out of the water. That's how in terms of like

1300
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: just distances and mirage. Yeah, and then and then when

1301
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: the light comes, all the snow blindness, snowblindness, and and

1302
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: everything's blowing. So yeah, it's and also you're not the

1303
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: conditions of such there not able to take really accurate

1304
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: readings right and then and then not to mention the

1305
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: ice that you're on is moving, you know, sometimes great

1306
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: distances like so, so that all contributes to, um, the difficulty. Uh.

1307
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: And and you know, I'm glad you brought up the

1308
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: pressure ridges because one of the most badass things they

1309
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: do in this book is that once they decide, okay,

1310
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: we're making a break for a wrangle island. Um, they

1311
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 1: encounter when the shore ice. When when when this floating

1312
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: sea ice gets within proximity of maybe thirty miles of

1313
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: Wrangel Island, it starts bumping up against these extended spits, right,

1314
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: and so the ice that's hitting it's kind of like

1315
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: a wave, a frozen wave. So the ice is is

1316
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: hitting the shoreline far out off shore, buckling and then growing, growing,

1317
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: and like some of them are not up to a

1318
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: hundred feet high. And there's some really cool pictures in

1319
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: the book of like them standing on these things, and

1320
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: you realize, oh my god. So they have to now

1321
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: get sledge and everything over these things. And Bartlett when

1322
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: he encounters them, a couple of the other guys had

1323
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: gone like maybe one or two miles each direction, and

1324
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: the thing extends for ten or twenty miles, this long

1325
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: ridge of ice, and he's like, well, we're gonna have

1326
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: to cut our way through it. That's it, right. So

1327
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 1: then they take to take some like four days to

1328
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: hack a trail, and with the dogs and ice axes

1329
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 1: and shovels, h hack a trail through the series of ridges.

1330
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: And they do some clever things, like they tie a

1331
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: rope between two sleds and then they'll get one of

1332
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: the sleds up the top of these ridges are really

1333
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: terrifying and precipitous, like if you fall down you could

1334
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: well be dead or battered at the bottom. So they

1335
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: take these sleds and they get one to the top,

1336
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: and then they using men and dogs, they push it over,

1337
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: and then it pulls the other sled behind it. The

1338
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: weight of that sled pulls the other sled up, and

1339
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: then they disentangle that one or on time and then

1340
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: do it again and makes some you know, weeks weeks

1341
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: to get from shipwreck camp to Wrangle Island, and at

1342
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: that point, you know, all ideas of them all making

1343
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: it across the long straight to Siberia are out the

1344
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: window because they're in quite bad shape. He makes an

1345
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 1: interesting call here, and this is where I'm at in

1346
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: the book, So from here on out, I'm I'm you're

1347
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: You're on your own. But he makes an interesting call

1348
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 1: at Wrangle Island where he wants everyone to break up

1349
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: into really small groups and spread out all over the place. Yeah,

1350
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: well the theory it seems so weird to me. Well,

1351
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: his rationale is uh. Bob Barlett decides very quickly when

1352
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: he lands on Wrangle Island. So, so first of all

1353
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: they find driftwood. So, and they've got some um. They

1354
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: have brought with them some tents right from the ship

1355
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: they brought these bell tents are kind of like yurts, right,

1356
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: big ones though big big yards um and some other

1357
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: canvas tents. But at first they it's more conducive to

1358
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: its march when they land March March twelfth. And at

1359
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: first that they decide like, we'll build you glues right

1360
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: because the um they're efficient. Um. So Barlett determines, Okay,

1361
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: there's driftwood there, um is some game. They have been

1362
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: encountering seals, but the seals are quite offshore. Uh. And

1363
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 1: then some Arctic foxes and some bears that they have

1364
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: encountered in Usually the bear situation was like they're not

1365
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: hunting bears. The bears are kind of hunting camp man.

1366
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: You know, the bears have been following them, or the

1367
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: bears will be duking it out with the dogs, right,

1368
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: and the bears like bear while he's duking it out

1369
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 1: with the dog. There's really close encounters though, like where

1370
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: one guy Hadley has to snag his rifle, like while

1371
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: the bear is trying to get to the dogs and

1372
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 1: he's on the other side of the sled, you know,

1373
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 1: and he's like grabbing his rifle within feet of a

1374
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: freaking ten foot polar bear. You know when they when

1375
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: they gourmet butcher polar bear, they like the back legs,

1376
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: the backs drafts, and the heart. Oh yeah, yeah, there's

1377
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: there's no human presence on Wrangle Island. And by the way,

1378
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: visited at all um from you know, that's the last

1379
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: known place that had wooly mammoth. Yeah, and that cool.

1380
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: So also there's like a very yes some people most

1381
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 1: people say four somewhere like a dwarf wooly mammoth. But

1382
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: so that's a really good question. Um, at that time,

1383
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: there's no residents on Wrangle Island and even to this day, um,

1384
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: there there's like a couple of so it's it's Russians

1385
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: own it. But um they're they have like one full

1386
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: time resident, one or two full time residents. And then

1387
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: I was really bumb man. I had almost went to

1388
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: Wrangle Island twice. First time my trip got scuttled. So

1389
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: there's a couple of expedition companies that take you, um

1390
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: in you like a fifty person um, you know, ship

1391
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: and then you get off on zodiacs and you can

1392
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: go camp for a few days on Wrangle Island with

1393
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: these nature um naturalists and rangers be really cool. Had

1394
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: it set up, uh pandemic scuttled that, and then I

1395
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: was going to go the next summer, and the Putin

1396
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 1: invaded uh crying, and then like it's they weren't going,

1397
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 1: called that Russia. Yeah, we can't go to Russia. So

1398
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: that was kind of a bummer. But so then Barlett,

1399
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: you're right, he made the call that like these people,

1400
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: so in getting across the pressure ridges and getting over

1401
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: from ship at camp to Wrangle Island, UM, some of

1402
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 1: the members are in pretty bad condition. Now, I will

1403
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 1: say the Inuit members Kurl Luck, his wife Kirak, who

1404
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: nicknamed Auntie, and the two kids, Helen and mug Pe

1405
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: are like nothing. It's like nothing has happened to them.

1406
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: They're in absolutely great I love they got little kids.

1407
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: The little kids are always playing. The little kids are playing,

1408
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: and they got the cat. You know, everybody else's like

1409
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: the kids. They're like, I don't see problem, eat seal

1410
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: blubber and have really nice arctic clothing, you know. But

1411
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: you could blame Stephenson in part for this because he

1412
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: brought Antie along Kiuk to so Arctic clothing and then

1413
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: but he bought a bunch of the skins pretty late

1414
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 1: in the game. So like she's sewing and teaching the

1415
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: members to sew while they're still floating along, and they

1416
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,799
Speaker 1: didn't like they weren't fully kidded out all the members anyway,

1417
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: Barlette makes the call that like, these people are two tired,

1418
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: frost bitten uh and to make and inexperienced to make

1419
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 1: it across. It's about a hundred miles from the southern

1420
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: coastline of Wrangel Island to Russian UH Northeastern disease, So

1421
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's interesting that there they start coming down.

1422
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: Within days after Bartlett leaving with Kateactobic, they start coming

1423
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: down with this swelling sickness. So their limbs are getting

1424
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: really um. Their limbs are some of their hands and

1425
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: feet are swelling to like twice their normal side eyes

1426
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: and the there's two theories. One is that the pemmican

1427
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: that they had was somehow flawed in the ratio of

1428
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: fat to protein was wrong, I mean, not not good enough,

1429
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: so that they begin to get um. What's called nephritis

1430
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: or it's like an inflammation of the kidneys um and imbalance.

1431
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: You know, they've got like a dietic dietetic imbalance. But

1432
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: it's freaking everybody out because it's not scurvy because they're

1433
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 1: getting some meat you know here and there with Arctic foxes,

1434
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: the seals and the polar bears. Um. But then you know,

1435
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: they start to So that's the other thing. Stephenson doesn't

1436
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: know that, Like he's like, well, they should have all

1437
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: gone with Bartlett. Bartlett just leaves with one Inuit guy, Karactobac.

1438
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: The problem is, you know, it'd be like taking all

1439
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: your buddies and there there's in terrible shape and they

1440
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: can't go, like you know, they're they're no longer fit

1441
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: for this track across the ice that's going to be

1442
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: dangerous itself. To go fetch a boat, yeah, I mean

1443
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: in a very roundabout way, go fetch a boat. Yeah.

1444
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: When would they have been like considered missing or how

1445
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: long would have been? So Stephenson makes land in like

1446
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: October or late September, early October of and eventually he

1447
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: does he sends word to the Canadian government that uh, oh,

1448
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I've lost my ship but no, he has no idea

1449
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: where it is. I have I have no idea where

1450
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: my ship is. But it will probably be fine because

1451
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: they have these umiaks, which are skin boats. And you know,

1452
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: Stephenson's thinking more like what he would do, and but

1453
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: he would only do this alone or with a really

1454
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: small with him and two into a un He's not

1455
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: going to do it with like a bunch of inexperienced people.

1456
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: So he reports to the Canadian government that like the

1457
01:27:54,320 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: flagship Carlaic has gone, it will it will either be rushed.

1458
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: Most likely it will be crushed or it's going to

1459
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: like bypass wrangle Island and end up like somewhere else. Yeah,

1460
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: there's this, there's this. I forgot about that when he's

1461
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: talking about the like in some number of years, when

1462
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: you're all dead, it'll spit you out like in Greenland. Yeah,

1463
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: he says. I love his line. He says he'll go

1464
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: around the Arctic and it'll like spit you out. But

1465
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: it takes a few years. Yeah, it says, either either

1466
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: them or their wreckage. And great. So there they were

1467
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: going west, but watch to the east. Are they are

1468
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: coming back? Are the other two ships? Meanwhile, just like

1469
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: they've gotten where they were supposed to go, and they're

1470
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: just hanging out waiting. Right. So when Stephenson arrives back

1471
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: on mainland Alaska, he he's cruising along the coast and

1472
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 1: he runs into some of the people that actually that

1473
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: he had known from the previous expedition he was on,

1474
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 1: and they have you know, they're hearing stories like there's reports. Okay,

1475
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: uh yeah, the Alaska and the Mary Sachs have been

1476
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 1: seen and they're actually winnering over in this bay before

1477
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: Harold Island. But they're safe. So he learns that those

1478
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 1: two ships are safe. So at that point Stephenson decides, Okay,

1479
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reoutfit what's called the New Northern Party and

1480
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: that other one that's the Old Northern Party and they're

1481
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: screws like Europe. It's like, well, there's still your people.

1482
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, he's like, I got this. I'm gonna I'm

1483
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: gonna do what I said I was gonna do. He's

1484
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: also really clever because he knows from where he is

1485
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: how long it takes mail to get to the Canadian government.

1486
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,919
Speaker 1: It has to go by like dog sled, and it's

1487
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,520
Speaker 1: he knows that it's going to leave like by December

1488
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: one or something, and then it's gonna take a couple

1489
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: of months to get to the Canadian government. So by

1490
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: the time he knows that, by the time they get

1491
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: the report that the car looks gone and I'm reoutfitting,

1492
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: he will already have done it, Like he'll already be

1493
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: out on the ice doing his thing, and they can't

1494
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: really say don't do that, right, And he he does

1495
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: some pretty m debout things like he's gotta he's got

1496
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: an open checkbook, right. So he arrives at one of

1497
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: these trading posts and it turns out the guy is

1498
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: basically leaving because he's been there too long and he

1499
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: can't stand the winners anymore. And he's like selling everything

1500
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: sevens and like buys it all, and he goes to

1501
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: another guy and he's like, he finds the guy has

1502
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 1: a really cool schooner, so he's like, hey, can I

1503
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: buy that schooner? And he writes of a check for

1504
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: like thirteen grand right on top of the two ships

1505
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: that he's already bought. Um. Yeah, the numbers are astronomical

1506
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: what he ends up spending, right, But so Stephenson quickly

1507
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 1: um regroups and he he has like he has it

1508
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: out with UM, the the expedition leader of the Southern Party,

1509
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: this guy Dr Anderson, UM, and you know, Dr Anderson

1510
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: sees that Stephenson. First of all, he's like, where's your ship?

1511
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: Why you know? And why aren't you going to do

1512
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 1: anything to go find them. Stephenson's like, I can't do anything.

1513
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: Nobody can go there until summer. Right that part of

1514
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: the world, You've got like a six week maybe window

1515
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: where there's going to be open water, and some of

1516
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: these places are accessible. But at this point I don't

1517
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: even know where the car Look is. So Stephenson is

1518
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: right to say, like, there's nothing I can do about

1519
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: it personally right now, except to say we should be

1520
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: organizing rescue missions for next summer. Right anyway, He goes

1521
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: off onto the ice re outfits, grabs a couple Norwegian

1522
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: dudes and goes off and Um continues to do you know,

1523
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: ethnological and um scientific study and sort of bid bids

1524
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 1: goodbye to the car Look. And by the time he

1525
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: ultimately gets back, oh, by the way, he abandons his

1526
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: wife and child again after being with that for a

1527
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: little while. UM. This is a touching scene of good farewell.

1528
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 1: UM anyway, so Stephenson is doing that, and then and

1529
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: then the the book takes off onto where it really

1530
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: picks up. I think momentum is after Bartlett leaves with

1531
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: this cateactobic guy. Yes, let me let an ordeal. Yeah,

1532
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: let's let's just Yeah. So they get to Wrangle Island.

1533
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: He leaves everybody most people people Wrangle Island, gives them

1534
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 1: instructions written instructions, do you use that and the other

1535
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna split, watch for me and such such

1536
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: and such harbor July August, watched for me to come

1537
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 1: back with a boat, right, and I should answer your

1538
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 1: pbous questions. So when they got to Wrangle Island, Bartlett's

1539
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 1: um rationale was, if we set up there there on

1540
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: the northern the northeastern tip of Wrangel Island, it's only

1541
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: like ninety miles wide, and you know, fifty or sixty

1542
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: miles um top to bottom um. So Bartlett's rationale is

1543
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: that there, if we spread out and have some people

1544
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: at icy Spit, which is where they land, there's another

1545
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: place called Cape Wearing it's about midway, and then there's

1546
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: Rogers Harbor, which is the southern h western point of

1547
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:31,600
Speaker 1: the island. He figures that if we distribute people in

1548
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: different teams, they can have better luck hunting in smaller

1549
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: groups and and taking care of themselves rather than having

1550
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: to have, you know, cook for fifteen people every day.

1551
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: So smaller groups, and also it will um, it will

1552
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: distribute the hunting um landscape a little more spread out.

1553
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 1: That's his rationality. Now then, so right that he ends

1554
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: up like on a rate, the book becomes like a

1555
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 1: race against time because Barlin needs to get across the

1556
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: Long Straight to Siberia and then somehow get all the

1557
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: way over to the east and fight a shipped across

1558
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: the Bearing Strait and get back to Alaska where he

1559
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: can send a telegram to tell them they're on Wrangle Island. Right,

1560
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: so their lives like at every moment are kind of

1561
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: dependent on whether Bartlett makes it. And so I cut

1562
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: back and forth. It's like if Bartlett and his Intuit hunter,

1563
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: like you know, you got all these people dying and

1564
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: stuff happened, like if they had just gone off ten

1565
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 1: miles and fell into a lead and died. Yeah, it's

1566
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 1: reasonable soon no one on no one on Wrangle Island's

1567
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 1: gonna survive. I think maybe that the Inuits would happen

1568
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: because there's a at anecdote I'll get to because they

1569
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: could have been they could have been there anyway, right right.

1570
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's not ideal because um of

1571
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: how remote it is, but um yeah, so Bartlett yea,

1572
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's it becomes it's sort of this race

1573
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: against time where Bartlett is trying to get to mainland

1574
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 1: Siberia and then to get word to the world that

1575
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of stranded people from the car look

1576
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: on Wrangel Island and you cut back and forth to

1577
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: what's happening with them on Wrangel Island and things begin

1578
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 1: to so they you know, they don't have a finite

1579
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: amount of um or they do have a finite amount

1580
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: of food um that they've been able to bring. And

1581
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: they make a couple of um gnarly treks back to

1582
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: shipwreck camping to get more uh some really some really

1583
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: dangerous treks where the leads break open, they get guys

1584
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: get so I don't want to ruin it for you,

1585
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 1: guys get separated from each other and from there and

1586
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: the dog has to like lead them back, you know.

1587
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:46,800
Speaker 1: So things are starting to deteriorate on Wrangel Island in

1588
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 1: that um their physical condition is poor and they're not

1589
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: they're hunting constantly, but they're not able to procure enough food.

1590
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: They can just barely stay ahead, you know. The woman

1591
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: and the kids, Like I'd run an essay rolled about

1592
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: this where the woman and the children want to be

1593
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: in some of the primary procures. Yeah, of game. Yeah,

1594
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: it's so it's really cool. Curl look, uh is the

1595
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: husband and father of the two children, and so he's

1596
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: really good hunter. I mean he's you know, he's what

1597
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 1: he's getting seals. Um seals start to go off shore,

1598
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 1: so it gets harder to get seals, and as things

1599
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: become um more dire and they're running out of food,

1600
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 1: Auntie is really industrious, Like she figures out how first

1601
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 1: of all, Curl look, you know, fashion some um bows

1602
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: and arrows because they're going to run out of ammunition too.

1603
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: So he starts to figure like, if we can if

1604
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 1: we can shoot um arctic foxes and birds with arrows,

1605
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,879
Speaker 1: that'll save us ammo because we're gonna need the bullets

1606
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: for walrus, bears, seals, bigger things and so. But Auntie

1607
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 1: is really really clever, so she figures out how to

1608
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: um jig for cod She takes a sewing needle and

1609
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 1: bends it and then hooks it up to some sinew

1610
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 1: twine and then they stand over this little title crack

1611
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: and like snagging. Um these like twelve inch tom god there, like, yeah,

1612
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 1: can they get a bunch of those? Um, She's the

1613
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: kids do some really clever stuff. One of the girls, Helen,

1614
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: the eleven year old, figures out how to put a

1615
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: piece of seal blubber onto a feather quill where you

1616
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: pull it out right, and then she has that attached

1617
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: to a piece of string and chucks the blubber over

1618
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 1: there and kind of hides and seagull come up and

1619
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: eat the blubber. The quill gets stuck in their throat

1620
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 1: and then she drags it over and wrings its neck.

1621
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: You know. Um, that's like one seagull at a time.

1622
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: But the biggest hunting, um, I mean kind of the

1623
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 1: most hunting that they do. That's effective. Um oh also

1624
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: curl look. Uh. He creates snare tracks for snare traps

1625
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 1: for Arctic foxes. Um. And he builds two things. One

1626
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: he builds a kayak um, which is really cool. I

1627
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: mean there's there's a there's an image of him working

1628
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 1: with the Scotsman and William McKinley that they had a camera,

1629
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: you know, like they have a picture of building. It's

1630
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 1: crazy that they're gonna like and then I know, like

1631
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: and so he takes a couple of weeks and he

1632
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: it's really funny because he's hedging, like they're they're starting

1633
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: to run out of food, and they're like they hear

1634
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: walrus in the bay and they're like, if we can

1635
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: get a Walruss or two, we're set. Like, you know,

1636
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: now it's getting to be August. They're thinking, if Winner

1637
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: hits again, we're screwed. We're gonna die here. Um. So

1638
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 1: he he builds a kayak and Auntie is awesome, like

1639
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 1: has has gotten all these skins from the bearded seal

1640
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 1: the brook and um, you know, he he uses an

1641
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: ads and you know, he uses a hatchet as an

1642
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: ads and he has like you know, a skinning knife

1643
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,719
Speaker 1: and some snow knives and they he's able to fashion

1644
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, find driftwood planks and stuff and fashions out

1645
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: the frame and then they bring it inside the one

1646
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: of the wall tents and uh Anti like completely fabricates

1647
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: the skin outside of this kayak. But Carola has been

1648
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: like hedging because he doesn't want he's the only one

1649
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 1: who knows how to run uh and he and he

1650
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: builds a really nice two handled paddle, you know, but

1651
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 1: he he has no interest in being solo in the

1652
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,560
Speaker 1: water with the pound walrus, right, so he's here to

1653
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: like telling him I don't really want to do it,

1654
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,839
Speaker 1: and they're finally like, you gotta go get the walrus.

1655
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 1: Work we can't do it, you know. He ends up

1656
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: he ends up getting a walrus. Uh and you know,

1657
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: but it's a small one and it doesn't last that long.

1658
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 1: So by by the time, um it's starting to get

1659
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: near late August, you know, they're into some uh rough rations.

1660
01:39:56,040 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: They're eating scurvy grass. You know, it's like um coke hilaria.

1661
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 1: It's a it's a little arctic grass that has actually

1662
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: named scruby grass because yeah. And then Auntie is starting

1663
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: to make the stuff that one of the members names

1664
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 1: salad oil. So she takes like chunks of blubber and

1665
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: puts them in a skin poke or a little bag

1666
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: and puts the chunks of blubber in there and leaves

1667
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: them out to ferment. And then when that stuff gets

1668
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 1: all congealed and fermented. They open up the bag and

1669
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 1: dip other chunks of seal meat and blubber into it,

1670
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: like you know, and and the and the you know what.

1671
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: People are like, we're good and uh, but like the

1672
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: other guys are like, do you know we really need

1673
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: something bigger? Um. So anyway, they start to plan, Like

1674
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:54,639
Speaker 1: they realized that the window for ship getting there. Bartlett

1675
01:40:54,720 --> 01:41:00,120
Speaker 1: had told them that in mid July someone needs to

1676
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 1: be at Rogers Harbor on the southern point, and that's

1677
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 1: where if a ship is going to come, that's where

1678
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: it will will meet. You. Um, but you know, things

1679
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: are getting really sparse in terms of food. They know

1680
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: that the window is closing, and so they start planning,

1681
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:18,639
Speaker 1: um to to go inland, follow this stream, go inland,

1682
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: build a cabinet and try to make their stand for

1683
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 1: winter on Wrangel Island, which is a really um daunting prospect,

1684
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 1: you know. And at that point, you know, without giving

1685
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: away too much, um, Bartlett has uh conspired to send

1686
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 1: a rescue our mata of ships. And then so these

1687
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 1: people are dying on Wrangel Island essentially, or are going

1688
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 1: to die, and unless Bartlett gets these ships to them

1689
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 1: in a really tight window. Uh, it's probably not known,

1690
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:57,759
Speaker 1: But what why don't the when things get real bad?

1691
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 1: Why don't the into it? Just like what's preventing them

1692
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: from just taken off? You know? That's like they have

1693
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: the skill set to take like they can make boats.

1694
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing. Yeah, I mean I think

1695
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: that there's a there's a a kind of ethical standard,

1696
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: like they were hired, you know, they were hired to

1697
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 1: do a job, because it's like pulling the weight for

1698
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:22,640
Speaker 1: all these people. You think at a point you'd be like,

1699
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that you I don't know what you

1700
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 1: guys do this for me? Right? Okay? Yeah. So the

1701
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: other thing I forgot to tell you though, is that

1702
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: like so so curl look um, you know, they they

1703
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 1: stay and they you know, they probably do realize like

1704
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 1: I'm we're doing most of this. But though Hadley is

1705
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 1: a pretty good hunter, McKinley is a good hunter. This guy,

1706
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: Ernest Chafe, he's young, he's he was the mess room

1707
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: boy on this car. Look, he's like nineteen, and he

1708
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 1: brought with him his shooting medals from competitions that he

1709
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: had won. He's sort of badass, and so he ends

1710
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: up being pretty good. But what one of the things

1711
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:57,680
Speaker 1: that wearing keep wearing. Um. There's all these cliffs and

1712
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:01,719
Speaker 1: they're filled with thousands of they name them crow bills,

1713
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: but their ox or meewers um. So they're on these

1714
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: cliffy you know, they're like little kind of penguiny looking birds,

1715
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 1: but they you know, great diving duck um diving meewer

1716
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 1: and and so they're up there and they realize, Okay,

1717
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of meat there. We can get it

1718
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 1: if we can get it. So they they use driftwood

1719
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,480
Speaker 1: and and rope and they build this ladder. That McKinley,

1720
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 1: who's this little they call him a we mack. He's

1721
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: only weighs like a buck thirty. It's a little dude.

1722
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: But he's spry, and so he's gonna climb up these

1723
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 1: ladders and get you know, they don't have shotguns another

1724
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 1: thing they blew, but they have rifles. So they get

1725
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 1: up to where these crow bills ox are nesting and

1726
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,639
Speaker 1: they're in the thousands. So and they they're still they're

1727
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: getting the eggs and they're shooting as many as they

1728
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: possibly can. Right one time, McKinley like falls off the

1729
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: ladder and goes battering down onto the snow and ice,

1730
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: and he's luckily and nothing breaks, but he's all bruised.

1731
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: And then they build this other thing like a Boson's chair.

1732
01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: The plan is they're gonna lower him, hike around and

1733
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 1: then lower him down, you know, because I don't know

1734
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 1: about this gig, you know. Um. But so they're able

1735
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: to like subsist and they also um curl. Luck figures

1736
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: out that they have the buried under snow. They had

1737
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: this net from the car look, and so the they

1738
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 1: noticed that ducks are starting to um, you know, pool

1739
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 1: up in some of the larger leads. So they go

1740
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,599
Speaker 1: out there, sneak up on the edge of a lead

1741
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 1: and they take in unison, like three of guys will

1742
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,839
Speaker 1: throw this net and scoop up a bunch of birds.

1743
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 1: But you know, the birds are not big enough where

1744
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 1: that's going to um. You know. That's like a couple

1745
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,719
Speaker 1: of days. It gets you through. So that all that's

1746
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 1: happening while Bartlett is on his odyssey. Now at this point,

1747
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 1: we're the only three people who died, Like the three

1748
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: that took off, those are the only people that had

1749
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 1: died up to this point. Well, those three we know

1750
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: the other guys that went to the wrong Old island

1751
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 1: and then probably they're probably dead by that. No, so

1752
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 1: there's some other carnage. I don't want to give anything away.

1753
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's uh, it's really sad man because so

1754
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 1: in the split up Icy spit wearing point in the

1755
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: middle and then the other place Roger's Harbor. So some

1756
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: yarn mom and the Norwegian guy Templeman to cook, uh,

1757
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: and this other guy George Malloch who is one of

1758
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 1: the scientists there. They end up at Roger's Harbor and

1759
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: the hunting is not not good there. They get some

1760
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 1: Arctic foxes, but they they're and they're also in really

1761
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:36,520
Speaker 1: bad shape. So um, that scene at Rogers Harbor becomes

1762
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 1: um like really dires almost like the Greeley and that's

1763
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: going and so a couple of times it's really sad.

1764
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: Like McKinley goes down there and you know, he realizes

1765
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: one of the guys from that's been at mid Island.

1766
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 1: He gets down to them to check on how they're doing,

1767
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,520
Speaker 1: and it's like not well, you know, they're like hallucinating

1768
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: and they're they're malnourished, and so McKinley tries to make

1769
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 1: this you know, noble herculean track back to get different

1770
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: pemmican for mom and who can't eat this stuff anymore?

1771
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: And find some more and bring them, bring them food.

1772
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: And there's some really touching scenes where like McKinley has

1773
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: brought him like a can of condensed milk, you know,

1774
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 1: and he's like giving it to him like he's a

1775
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 1: little baby, you know, and you're just like, oh my god,

1776
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 1: is this guy gonna make it or not? You know,

1777
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I got all Arctic explore stuff that that was one

1778
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 1: of the things I kept wanderings, Uh, was there during

1779
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 1: this period? Were there any of these trips were everything

1780
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:47,719
Speaker 1: just went like name for me, one just went great.

1781
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 1: That's a really good question, like when you signed up,

1782
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 1: like when they so at this point, they've been at

1783
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: it for a while, Like you're in the in the teens,

1784
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 1: nineteen teens, people been up there dying for a long time.

1785
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 1: You getting anyone to fund him? What are they looking

1786
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,799
Speaker 1: at as the sort of like way it could go right? Well,

1787
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: So that's a really great question. Um. I mean, ironically,

1788
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,439
Speaker 1: and I don't really want to say this because you know,

1789
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of anti Stephenson on this whole thing.

1790
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:26,560
Speaker 1: But so yeah, they're like, well he did it. Yeah,

1791
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 1: so he was able to. I mean he had he

1792
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 1: went with this guy Rudolph Anderson who ends up being

1793
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 1: on this the Southern Party. Uh, and Stephenson had brought

1794
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 1: back like artifacts and it was for the American Museum

1795
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: of Natural History. So the things that that Stephenson was

1796
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 1: bringing back in the findings that they were making about

1797
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: like maybe you know, underscoring all of this is like

1798
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 1: a desire to find potentially new land and claim it

1799
01:47:55,680 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: for Canada. So that you know, I think people's ability

1800
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:06,760
Speaker 1: to um fundraise and to be really um convincing and persuasive.

1801
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean Perry was very good at it. Um. You know,

1802
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: some of some of the expeditions had worked. I mean Perry,

1803
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: even though it's contested now um had in nine made

1804
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 1: it to the North Pole. So you've got like, he

1805
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:23,720
Speaker 1: didn't lose a bunch of guys. No, no, and you

1806
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 1: know they he did it better though. I mean he

1807
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 1: brought out steel holed icebreaker, the SS Roosevelt, right, so

1808
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: he you know, um, so people could look at that

1809
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: and you could be like, you know, he did he

1810
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: did it. But also there's there's a bit of a difference. UM.

1811
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 1: I think in all of the in many of the

1812
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 1: expeditions leading up to this, like first were what they

1813
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 1: were about, or discovery of new lands, being the first

1814
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 1: to the north Pole, the first to farthest north, the

1815
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 1: first to go through the Northwest Passage. UM, this was

1816
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 1: one of the early like purely it's going to be

1817
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 1: scientific in nature, and so it was worth it for

1818
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 1: the Canadian and also the Canadian government had sort of

1819
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 1: designs on UM. If we can expand our holdings our

1820
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 1: land mass, that's good, you know, in terms of UM

1821
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 1: dominion over the north right. But so I think Stephenson's

1822
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 1: ability to persuade the Canadian government that this thing was

1823
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: going to be an unprecedented scientific UM success. And in

1824
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 1: many ways it was because the work that he ends

1825
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 1: up doing, which I don't I cover it briefly in

1826
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: the book, because my interest was more about the car

1827
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: look and that story. But I mean, so Stephenson ends

1828
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 1: up continuing on. I mean he conveniently, like so World

1829
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:49,480
Speaker 1: War One breaks out like right as Um Bartlett and everybody,

1830
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, right right as the regular island fiasco is

1831
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 1: going on, and Stephenson conveniently, uh, like goes onto the

1832
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: ice in like nineteen fourteen and conveniently sort of re

1833
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 1: surfaces to the world right right as World War One end.

1834
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 1: It's like good timing. You know what happened? Yea, give

1835
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 1: me a paper the Great War? What? Right? And so

1836
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 1: you know a number of the other members like have

1837
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 1: to go serve and stuff. You know, So how did uh? Um?

1838
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 1: I never looked this up. How does Steffan's gonna end up? Like?

1839
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:25,680
Speaker 1: How long does he live? Well? He lives forever? Yeah,

1840
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean, uh sixty two. He dies of I don't

1841
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 1: think it's anything like cataclysmic, like cancer or anything. No, no,

1842
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is, and I have to add

1843
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: this because it has to do with your question about whether, um,

1844
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 1: you know, Curl look and his family could probably have

1845
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 1: survived or walked a hundred miles. Um. So this is

1846
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:57,759
Speaker 1: bizarre Stephenson. You gotta hand it to him. So he resurfaces, okay,

1847
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:01,719
Speaker 1: And now he's he is, His books are selling, he's rights,

1848
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 1: he's written My Life with the Eskimo, and he also

1849
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:10,280
Speaker 1: writes The Friendly Arctic, which is a great title for

1850
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: a book in which most people vacation. And that's him

1851
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 1: kind of laying out how you go about it, right,

1852
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 1: He's like, what's you do is you take off as

1853
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 1: soon as things look bad with the Inuit who will

1854
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:25,680
Speaker 1: keep you alive? And by the way, Amandsen, you know

1855
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:31,600
Speaker 1: the famous uh Norwegian bowler explorer, he he contests the

1856
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 1: friendly Arctic big time. He's like, this is actually irresponsible

1857
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 1: because you're you're making it sound like any ea, who

1858
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:43,639
Speaker 1: can just go with a rifle and live off the ice.

1859
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 1: And it's like most of the people that dry that

1860
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 1: are going to die, you know, because but Stephenson, in

1861
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 1: fairness to him, he developed a great deal of skill

1862
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 1: in living in this way. But so he does the

1863
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:59,519
Speaker 1: most man. No, there's like, no, whatever you're saying about

1864
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: his like allegiances and in his his cavalier attitude about

1865
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 1: human life, you cannot deny. I mean the guy could

1866
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 1: do insane ship. Oh yeah, yeah, and he teached he

1867
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 1: knew how to pick his company, that's what. But he

1868
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 1: could go and just go right. What he couldn't do was,

1869
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, put together an expedition of this magnitude. Right,

1870
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 1: but you give him in a couple of hundreds and

1871
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 1: they would do some crazy ship. Yes, So I was

1872
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna kind of follow up on that, Like there's so

1873
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 1: many variables and there's no way of knowing obviously, But

1874
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 1: in your opinion, does this trip go a different way

1875
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 1: of Stephenson doesn't leave from the get go, or at

1876
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 1: least when he sees the ship has floated away, turns

1877
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 1: around and tries to find it. Maybe yeah, because I

1878
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: mean I think it's Stephenson. UM might well have been

1879
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 1: able to get more of them to land. Um, he

1880
01:52:56,680 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 1: still would have been challenged by the fact that most

1881
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:03,599
Speaker 1: of the scientists and the crew members did not have

1882
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:07,920
Speaker 1: um arctic ice skill, you know. So the thing I

1883
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 1: was gonna say though, that UM that he does that's

1884
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 1: really a head scratcher. Um Is that so one? You know?

1885
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 1: Like some years after this expedition, Um, he decides he's

1886
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 1: going to organize another expedition to Wrangle Island, right, Um,

1887
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: And one of the survivors, this guy's name is Fred Mauer, Uh,

1888
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 1: decides that he wants to go back to Wrangle Island

1889
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:38,639
Speaker 1: because he had so much fun there the first time,

1890
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,759
Speaker 1: and Stephenson convinces him to do it. So he gets

1891
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:46,719
Speaker 1: like four part of the rationale. And Stephenson wasn't really

1892
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 1: wrong about this was that there He's already envisioning. I mean,

1893
01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: Stephenson thought about some things, like he predicted polar flight

1894
01:53:54,360 --> 01:54:00,200
Speaker 1: to across the Arctic. Um, he predicted submarine travel in

1895
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 1: that region. I was kind of I was gonna ask,

1896
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 1: was was this expedition kind of the end of an era? Absolutely,

1897
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 1: they call at the end of the dog Sled Adventurer,

1898
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, because things, you know, things began to change

1899
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 1: in terms of technology. But so Stephenson organizes this other trip.

1900
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:20,400
Speaker 1: Now the Canadian government wants no part of it, even

1901
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 1: though he was going to originally try to claim Wrangle

1902
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 1: Island for Canada. Um. So he's become a Canadian citizen

1903
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 1: by this time, and he's like, well, um, we can

1904
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 1: plant the flag. It was kind of contested, so he,

1905
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody will pay. So he self finances this

1906
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 1: thing from like his book proceeds and he uh, he

1907
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 1: sends Fred Mauer, one of the guys from the car. Look,

1908
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 1: these two other members and a woman also seemed just

1909
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 1: her name is Ada Blackjack. This is you might want

1910
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 1: to read this book. It's freaking cool. Read Empire biss

1911
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 1: at first. But yeah, so, um they go to Wrangle Island.

1912
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 1: It's things go south there, you know, as they do,

1913
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 1: and they realize they're not gonna they're not gonna make it.

1914
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 1: And so I think when things go south and the

1915
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 1: north might be exactly so anyway from our or the

1916
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 1: guy from the car look and this other guy decided

1917
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 1: there they know, well Bartlett did it with Karactobic. We're

1918
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna strike across the long straight to go. They're they're

1919
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 1: running out of food and it's just not gonna work

1920
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 1: either of this. They leave Aida black Jack with the

1921
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 1: one other member. These two guys strike for Siberia and

1922
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 1: die out on the ice, and Aida Blackjack nurses this

1923
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: guy who has scurvy for a while until he dies

1924
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: in her arms. She lives on Wrangel Island by herself

1925
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 1: for a year, like figuring out Ada black Jack. Yeah,

1926
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean she is tough, she's industrious, she knows how

1927
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 1: to um use bow and arrow, and she eventually get

1928
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 1: picked up, She gets she gets recovered. It's a good name.

1929
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 1: He already got a great name. I'll take her name,

1930
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 1: Stevie black Jack. Oh wow, I can lead an expedition

1931
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 1: at that name. Well, um, we didn't give it too

1932
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 1: much away, did we. Okay, good. You know what's the

1933
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 1: book about a black jack? It's called Ada Blackjack. It

1934
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 1: sounds a good name. Yeah. Uh and it was written

1935
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 1: by a woman named Jennifer Niven, who who wrote the

1936
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:34,600
Speaker 1: last book about this, um but like twenty years ago.

1937
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 1: Um and uh this this woman is is a really

1938
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 1: great writer and has transitioned into like young adult um writing.

1939
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 1: Now she didn't right about this got their hands on

1940
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 1: not not yet, No, they didn't. Um. And Russians do. Um.

1941
01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:54,160
Speaker 1: And you know it's cool because today, I don't know

1942
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 1: if you guys know this, but today Wrangle Island is

1943
01:56:57,080 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 1: um a spectacular nature preserve. You can't go there without

1944
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 1: like being you know, you have to have specific paperwork

1945
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:08,800
Speaker 1: sure you're not bringing Yeah. And and it's the largest

1946
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 1: uh Pacific walrusts breeding ground and the largest polar bear

1947
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 1: dead ing ground in the world to this day. Um.

1948
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: And it's just spectacular if you look at um, like,

1949
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:24,160
Speaker 1: just look at images online of it. It's so rugged. Man,

1950
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 1: the top of it's like thirty feet um. And you

1951
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:30,200
Speaker 1: know it's cool because there's you know, there's beautiful rivers

1952
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 1: running out to the sea and um, polar bears hanging

1953
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 1: out now The weird thing is that musk oxen people

1954
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 1: they go, well, why didn't they just eat all the

1955
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 1: musk oxen that are there? Because if you look at

1956
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 1: Wrangel Island, there's musk ox in there. Now they were

1957
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 1: they were there, you know, so it's like, well, they

1958
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 1: wish they'd had those muskoks And oh, well, man, you

1959
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 1: got a good New York Times review. Hey, I appreciate

1960
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:59,120
Speaker 1: the shout out there. Yeah, this morning New York Times

1961
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 1: uh uh said some nice things about this book, and um,

1962
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm pleased. We're gonna, you know, pump it up next week.

1963
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 1: December six is the drop date. You're not doing any

1964
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 1: more podcasts, are you? Let's do that? No, no competitive ones,

1965
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 1: nothing that's good. No, nothing that There's no podcasts that

1966
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 1: are that are like this, really that are Yeah, I

1967
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 1: like RBS or something. It's all structured and formal. Yeah,

1968
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 1: you're already working on the third book in the trilogy. Yeah,

1969
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: thanks for asking that. Man. I so I do need

1970
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 1: to get off the ice eventually, because it's started my numbing,

1971
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 1: you know. Um, but I did pitch book and I'm

1972
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 1: I have I'm under contract to write a third book

1973
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:49,680
Speaker 1: in the trilogy and it's called realm of ice and sky,

1974
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:54,360
Speaker 1: and it's about the first uh what are called airships

1975
01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 1: or blimps, um, they're actually semi rigid dirigibles. But try

1976
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 1: to say that a whole bunch of times, you know, um,

1977
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 1: semi rigid originals, that we're going to try to fly

1978
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: to the North Pole in nineteen o five. This American

1979
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:11,200
Speaker 1: just seems like such a bad idea. I know, well

1980
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: in this American dude named Walter Wellman. So this is

1981
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 1: before Pierry has made it to the North Pole or

1982
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:20,600
Speaker 1: Cook or whoever you did. Um, he's like trying to

1983
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:23,400
Speaker 1: fly from smaal Bard, you know, Spitzberg and north of

1984
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 1: Norway in in a blimp to get to the North Pole.

1985
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,280
Speaker 1: Right now. It doesn't go well for Wellman. He he lives,

1986
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 1: but he ends up being kind of pioneer for in

1987
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:42,800
Speaker 1: in n six and then later um ammonds and ultimately

1988
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 1: goes with this guy named Umberto Noble a um he's

1989
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 1: an Italian airship designer. They make it to the North

1990
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 1: Pole and from smaal Bard and then but pass over

1991
01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:58,320
Speaker 1: it and continue on to No right, So it's a

1992
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 1: transcontinental flight trans Arctic trans Arctic ice continent flight of

1993
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:09,320
Speaker 1: the pole. So two years later, Amondson takes a lot

1994
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:11,480
Speaker 1: of credit for it, and this this Italian guy, Noble

1995
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:13,480
Speaker 1: is like, man, I need to do that again, like

1996
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 1: and get and make it more about me. So he

1997
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:19,040
Speaker 1: he this is a really bad idea. So he takes

1998
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 1: He has mostly an Italian crew. At this point Amandson

1999
02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: and him are scrapping and so Noble a takes I

2000
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 1: mean these things are huge, like a four ft blimp,

2001
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, with like the cabin underneathe right, yeah, yeah,

2002
02:00:34,200 --> 02:00:38,400
Speaker 1: like exactly the led Zeppelin. Yeah, And so they take it.

2003
02:00:39,320 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 1: They make it to over the North Pole and instead

2004
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:46,480
Speaker 1: of continuing on, so the plan was to like land,

2005
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to land a blimp because you need these

2006
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 1: like poles that you tie to right tether to them.

2007
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:54,160
Speaker 1: Though they're gonna try to like lower dudes down and

2008
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 1: do uh North Pole study right out of like repelling

2009
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 1: out of the damn ship and so that that will work.

2010
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, this is the bizarre thing that happens is

2011
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:08,680
Speaker 1: that they make it to the North Pole. It's really

2012
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 1: fucking windy and it's not going well for their ability

2013
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:17,560
Speaker 1: to um you know, uh, nobody wants to go back

2014
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:20,520
Speaker 1: right back to Spitsberg and not do the same thing

2015
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 1: that he did already, which is with continue on. So

2016
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 1: they turn it around. They can't land or land people.

2017
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 1: They throw the Italian flag out and they're like, okay,

2018
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,080
Speaker 1: they know they're at the north Pole. They've got good

2019
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:36,560
Speaker 1: readings on the way back. By the way, Noble at

2020
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:39,120
Speaker 1: this point is like been awake for seventy six hours.

2021
02:01:39,120 --> 02:01:42,160
Speaker 1: He's all sleep deprived, and he makes some mistakes. They

2022
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,840
Speaker 1: crashed the blimp like a hundred and fifty miles back

2023
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:51,000
Speaker 1: toward UH Norway Spitzberg A's fall Bark. They crashed the

2024
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:56,160
Speaker 1: blimp in this catastrophic accident. The cabin that has like

2025
02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:59,480
Speaker 1: most of the people in it, bunch of them, nine

2026
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:04,320
Speaker 1: of them billing out onto the ice right like they're

2027
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:07,640
Speaker 1: thrown onto the ice. Their legs are shattered, they're broken.

2028
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:11,560
Speaker 1: And then they look up and the six of the

2029
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:17,600
Speaker 1: other members UH are still in the cabin and and

2030
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:20,520
Speaker 1: the blimp is sailing off into the sky and they're

2031
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:26,280
Speaker 1: like hell they fly away, never to be seen again.

2032
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:29,400
Speaker 1: And now you've got these guys on the ice, and

2033
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:33,920
Speaker 1: it it creates the largest rescue operation in polar history,

2034
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:37,760
Speaker 1: right and then in which, by the way, the famed

2035
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:41,879
Speaker 1: explorer Roald Ormondson goes to go save Noble A flies

2036
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:45,880
Speaker 1: off in a Fokker ship you know, seaplane and never

2037
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:51,080
Speaker 1: is seen again. It's awesome. The blimp really have been seen,

2038
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 1: never been seen? And yes, how is that? I mean

2039
02:02:57,480 --> 02:03:02,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's still flying around big place and things get

2040
02:03:02,280 --> 02:03:06,320
Speaker 1: engulfed by the leads in the ice, you know, just swallowed.

2041
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:09,920
Speaker 1: I kind of rather be in a boat for a year,

2042
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:13,720
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, So that one I gotta, I gotta

2043
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,920
Speaker 1: really got it right now. Once you write that one,

2044
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:18,840
Speaker 1: come back all right? You want to hear more about

2045
02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:21,640
Speaker 1: Noble A and there bring bring a to black Jack

2046
02:03:21,720 --> 02:03:27,920
Speaker 1: with thanks, man, I really appreciate you. So give the

2047
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:29,920
Speaker 1: hit people once more with the name of the book.

2048
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:33,160
Speaker 1: All right, this is the Empire of Ice and Stone,

2049
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:36,880
Speaker 1: the disastrous and heroic Voyage of the car Look by

2050
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:40,080
Speaker 1: Buddy Levy available blame where books are sold. You bet

2051
02:03:40,360 --> 02:03:43,400
Speaker 1: in audio too, And oh did you do the read? That?

2052
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:45,800
Speaker 1: Sons of bitches, they don't let you do the read.

2053
02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:50,880
Speaker 1: Did you tell me what have you heard these pipes? Man? Listen, man,

2054
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I know? They said, I'm doing another I

2055
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:56,240
Speaker 1: got it. I got so, I got another book that's

2056
02:03:56,280 --> 02:03:58,920
Speaker 1: hitting the ten year mark, so I'm getting the audio

2057
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 1: rights back. I'm gonna do my and read it. Was

2058
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:03,360
Speaker 1: just the first time, you will Nope, oh no, you

2059
02:04:03,480 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 1: did so. I had a book like okay, American when

2060
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:12,760
Speaker 1: when I sold so when I sold American Buffalo, the

2061
02:04:13,120 --> 02:04:17,800
Speaker 1: my publisher at Random House, they sold the audio to

2062
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:21,680
Speaker 1: an outside place. The outside place did had bought the

2063
02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:24,960
Speaker 1: audio for ten years. They hired some soap opera guy

2064
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:27,160
Speaker 1: to read it and the hunt him down and kill him.

2065
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:32,320
Speaker 1: Then at ten years it ran out. Random House got

2066
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:34,320
Speaker 1: it back. At that point they were doing more audio.

2067
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 1: Then I went and did the read. Now the book

2068
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:40,880
Speaker 1: I published after American Buffalo, my book Me Eater is

2069
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:44,840
Speaker 1: the ten year thing is reverting and I'm going to the

2070
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,000
Speaker 1: the studio and read that. Son of a bit. Yeah, well,

2071
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, I would like to if I write something

2072
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:53,320
Speaker 1: more more personal memoir, I will probably read it. I'm

2073
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:56,360
Speaker 1: very happy so far with McMillan. Audio. Did a good

2074
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:59,680
Speaker 1: job guy as an actor professional. I listened to six

2075
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,600
Speaker 1: voice Shish and I'm like, that guy's pretty good. Shout around.

2076
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 1: You went through a voice cattle idea, you know, voice.

2077
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:08,360
Speaker 1: What do they call it um when you go up

2078
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:12,360
Speaker 1: for the job, right, not yeah voice audition. I've told

2079
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Speaker 1: the story of Hunter times Man probably fifty times on

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Speaker 1: the show. But the one I got my first book

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Speaker 1: that a guy that a soap opera person read. I

2082
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Speaker 1: turned it on and he couldn't get two words out

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Speaker 1: of his mouth and I had to race over turn

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Speaker 1: it off and never it was just like, that's not

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Speaker 1: what it sounds like. It was an actual soap opera line.

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Speaker 1: He's probably he's probably a great family man, loves his wife,

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Speaker 1: loves his children. It was like, you're gonna hut him

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Speaker 1: down and kill him. I'm not. I want to take

2089
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Speaker 1: you back. My name went down. But loves his country,

2090
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Speaker 1: loves his wife, loves his children, I have no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But it was like he had no business saying those words.

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Speaker 1: It's too bad. I don't want to hear it now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I'll get it. I'll lend it to tell

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Speaker 1: me how it is. No, this guy is great. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, sometimes, man, you're glad they because some

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Speaker 1: of the words are really hard to pronounce. You don't

2097
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Speaker 1: need to figure it out. Yeah, you're just like, let

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Speaker 1: that guy handle it. You know, I know how to

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Speaker 1: spell them out, how to say him, spell a villain

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Speaker 1: or like times. Yeah, I'll leave that up to you,

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Speaker 1: but it's tough. Good luck. Thank you, oh man, Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot. Good luck on the book and when

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Speaker 1: you get the next one ready to come back. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Always love what you guys do. Man, Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much,