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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly, he is Matt Williamson and this

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Speaker 3: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt looking

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Speaker 3: here at some of the grades. Everybody has grades now

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Speaker 3: for the drafts. Everybody does them, and so Football Outsiders

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Speaker 3: as has done the last few years. In fact, they

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Speaker 3: go back. They've done this for what going all the

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Speaker 3: way back to two thousand and four. Wow, doing these

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Speaker 3: post draft grades.

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Speaker 2: Went ahead.

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Speaker 3: And what they do is they take all the different

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Speaker 3: people who give grades for this. In this year, they

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Speaker 3: used twenty one different sets of experts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of names we.

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Speaker 3: Know, and there's you know a lot of people that

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Speaker 3: you you know from all across the internet.

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Speaker 2: And then they average that out and you get a grade.

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Speaker 1: Out of it and they call it your your QPA,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you get you get three B is

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Speaker 1: a three you know, pretty interesting. I mean that's a

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Speaker 1: big project. And what we don't know is how everyone's

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Speaker 1: standards are to grade. You know, do you give team

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Speaker 1: credit for Boy, they did a lot with a little

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Speaker 1: or you're just you know, looking at what did I

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Speaker 1: bring into the building in terms of rookies this weekend

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Speaker 1: in Gooding Thursday, Right right? Interesting?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the team that got the highest grade at

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Speaker 3: the highest QPA in this in this draft the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Their GPA, I should say, four point one seven, which

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Speaker 3: is the highest GPA on record you're being graded on.

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Speaker 3: I guess if you get an A plus, you get.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. I this is doesn't

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Speaker 1: reflect my high school college career at all.

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I wouldn't know about any A pluses.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think an A gets you four.

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Speaker 1: So there's an A plus get you four point twenty five.

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Speaker 3: It must get you at least four or five or something.

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Speaker 3: They got thirteen a pluses and their lowest grade was

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Speaker 3: a B plus from Chad Reuter from NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I think they would be my number one team, I

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Speaker 1: mean in terms of the Hall, but they probably get

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Speaker 1: some benefits of the doubt that maybe not every team

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Speaker 1: gets because of their recent successes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Number two on this list the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think

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Speaker 3: it was just a three point nine to one. They

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Speaker 3: four total B pluses.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I mean, of the thirty two teams,

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Speaker 1: You know, I can think I get in their head

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Speaker 1: better than the other teams. And I'm really having a

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Speaker 1: hard time finding any knits to pick. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: if you told them that this is going to be

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Speaker 2: But I don't know that guys never gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the guys that they ended up drafting, we're

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Speaker 3: all guys that we mocked to them a lot, a lot,

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Speaker 1: The pick before. Yeah, you know, like they'll get Broderick Jones.

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Speaker 3: They got her value, like they got value, like a

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Speaker 2: Like he's almost like.

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Speaker 1: A wrung later on the ladder than we thought.

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Speaker 1: Why, frankly sounds crazy. But if they would have gone

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good draft. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Colts come in with a three point seventy four,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just so you know, the Steelers at a three

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Speaker 3: point nine to one to finish second, the Culture at

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Speaker 1: Gap there, gap about the same gap from one to

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Speaker 1: two to two to one. And did you say that

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Speaker 1: the Eagles had the best grade in their.

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Speaker 2: History of doing this, in the history of doing this, Yes.

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Speaker 1: The most gears. The Steelers would have been one most years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Seahawks came in with a three point six five.

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Speaker 3: They got two A pluses and one C plus.

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Speaker 3: If five were the Giants with a three point four

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Speaker 1: It is, but I really liked three of their picks.

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Speaker 1: which is exactly what they want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the lowest grades.

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Speaker 3: The San Francisco forty nine ers got a one point

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you get my A B plus.

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Speaker 2: I understand, no idea.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of no names, a lot of special teamers.

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Speaker 1: An early kicker, early kicker is hard for me to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't get that at all.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean they didn't have a pick for

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Speaker 3: they traded up to get JayR. Brown, who I like

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Speaker 3: Jay R. Brown, but the trade up to go get him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, he's fine, but you can give something extra

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Speaker 1: But I host a podcast with a Niners guy and

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Speaker 1: he went back and did the research of all the

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Speaker 1: drafted kickers in the last ten years. Anyone that was drafted,

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Speaker 1: it's a kicker. There's like two of them that got

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Speaker 1: a second contract with their team. The hit rate's awful, awful, terrible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're you're better off, just you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they went and got Robbie Gold and he

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Speaker 1: Right right, and they're looking at it like I've heard

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Speaker 1: some trying to justify it, like we have to sign

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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa so we can't speed spending money on kickers anymore.

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Speaker 1: All right, draft one the seventh round.

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Speaker 3: Right, you know, or just you know, bring five of

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Speaker 1: Side note, because I went to this conversation with my

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Speaker 1: coaches out there, I bet most of them aren't even

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Speaker 1: good at evaluating kickers. They're good at putting together past

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Speaker 1: I bet there's very few truly great evaluators of kickers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Washington Commanders had the thirty first draft.

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Speaker 2: They had a two point two oh.

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Speaker 3: So you had the forty nine ers at one point

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, I don't know who would be my

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Speaker 3: Or the Denver Roncos they got one A minus and

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Speaker 1: I mean they didn't have much, you know, much to

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Speaker 1: them for mims because they have receivers, but I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Twenty nine, Yeah, twenty nine was the Dolphins. They got

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Speaker 3: a two point three to oh, they got two, they

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Speaker 1: I mean they had a four pick draft and two

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Speaker 1: they really only made two picks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at twenty eight, also getting a two point three

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Speaker 2: With the Cowboys, they get one A and one F.

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Speaker 1: I didn't look at them at that light, but when

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Speaker 1: you pull it up, I'm pretty rough on the Cowboys draft,

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Speaker 1: and starting with Mazzie Smith, I think that's too early.

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Speaker 1: Dallas is drafted great, but I'm not big on.

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Speaker 2: This haul at all.

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Speaker 1: To be very honest with you, Yeah, this early, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I value or you know, getting high value guys at all.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The most polarizing grades. You had the Denver Broncos getting

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Speaker 3: an A minus and also an F. That's a pretty yeah,

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Speaker 3: pretty extreme gap. You had the forty nine ers getting

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Speaker 1: But by the sound of things, that B plus kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, more in more than total. You had the Lions

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Speaker 1: I could see them being polarizing because they are all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you had the Cleveland Browns getting an A minus,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that'd be giving them an A minus.

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Speaker 1: They got some decent players. I mean, their roster needed everything,

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Speaker 1: I guess you get the A plus part. You know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at just the AFC North According

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Speaker 3: The Cincinnati Bengals had the ninth best draft based on

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I thought they were about as even

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Speaker 2: Kind of what they do.

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Speaker 1: I have a problem with that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they got three a's. They got three a's

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Speaker 1: There's a little bit of propaganda going on.

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Speaker 3: I think they get I think they get a little more. Oh,

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Speaker 3: They're just they're just a great drafting team. They have

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Speaker 1: And if you look at their last drafts, they averaged

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: The things that happened there, you know, they were I

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Speaker 3: a great move by Eric DeCosta. He's playing chess and

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Speaker 2: What has he done?

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: They won noth they want and they really didn't get

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Speaker 3: But yeah, uh, then you have the Browns at twenty second.

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Speaker 1: They had too like some of their picks, but they're late,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nobody there that there is. This a foundational

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Speaker 2: Course, but they got found some foundational guys.

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Speaker 1: And if you're gonna have a seventy million dollars quarterback,

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Speaker 3: That's what you have to do. There's no doubt about it,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's Josh Dobbs that you get off the scrap heat

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at those bottom of the top drafting.

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Speaker 1: Some of those are the ways picking very early. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, everybody better like those picks when you're picking

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Speaker 3: that early. At the bottom. San Francisco, last, Washington, Denver, Miami, Dallas, Jacksonville, Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Atlanta at twenty six, the Jets at twenty five,

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Speaker 1: And they took the pit kid later, but that would

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Speaker 2: That high.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Rams made a ton of picks, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There were fourteen teams that graded out with a three

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Speaker 1: That kind of average wasn't a tremendous draft class. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how that ranks the most years when they

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Speaker 1: do this, does does it end up being like a

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Speaker 1: C plus average? I don't know. Yeah, pretty firmly.

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Speaker 2: At number two and firmly at number two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just for a.

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Speaker 3: Reference point here, let's go back and look at and see,

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Speaker 1: Four four, okay over in a so they made I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean, a Jabo still hasn't played, but you're talking

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Speaker 3: Looking at the Steelers draft from last year, they got

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Speaker 2: So the grading grading was a little tougher last year.

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Speaker 1: Apparently I can see that. Well, fewer quarterbacks, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they got if I'm looking at this year, they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's a tough grader. He gave the the

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Speaker 3: There's another F from Nystrom. There's a D minus from Nystroam.

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Speaker 3: He just he kills people. Tough grader, tough grader. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but that was the uh the football or the the

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Speaker 1: You say Thor drops the hammer on him.

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Speaker 3: Thor does drop the hammer. Yeah, absolutely, that's a good

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