Speaker 1: Bin all right, job.
Speaker 2: All across the USC Compton, Watts Bay to LA. Come
Speaker 2: on to California day from Rowley the Valley. We represent
Speaker 2: that Keller County. So if you're keeping it real on
Speaker 2: your side of your town, you tune into Gainst the Chronicles,
Speaker 2: the Coronic Goals.
Speaker 1: We gonna tell you how are we goals?
Speaker 3: If I lie my notes will girl like Pinocchio.
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the truth.
Speaker 1: Gangs the Chronic Goals. This is not your average shows.
Speaker 2: You're now tuned into the rail mc ain't, Big Change
Speaker 2: and Big Steels the streets.
Speaker 1: Hello, we welcome to the Gangst the Chronicles podcast, the
Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make
Speaker 1: sure you download the iHeart app and subscribe to Against
Speaker 1: the Chronicles. For my Apple users, hit the Purple Michael
Speaker 1: on your front screen. Subscribed to Against the Chronicles, leave
Speaker 1: a five star rating and comment. We'd like to welcome
Speaker 1: every one to another episode The Gangster Chronicles Podcast. And
Speaker 1: I got my dog in here shit, and you know
Speaker 1: we got the legend theory journalistic straord. There s Baker,
Speaker 1: what's up everybody? And you know we doing this Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: style man, you know it's Thanksgiving. Man, I can't ask them,
Speaker 1: the homies to come off with ours Thanksgiving? Is we
Speaker 1: gonna be a own cooking turkeys or roots and all
Speaker 1: that other good stuff? You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: were doing this the lives train tonight.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: We got Alex in the motherfucking house man, dude that
Speaker 1: had two albums in the top fifty Gangster Round albums
Speaker 1: of all time, Spikes One What's That? And the Dog
Speaker 1: What is It? Madden? It was faddening my guy. Oh man,
Speaker 1: you know what, man, everybody been asking us to have
Speaker 1: you back. They was like, man, why you didn't ask
Speaker 1: them about this? Why you didn't ask me about that
Speaker 1: last time? So we said we would have to have
Speaker 1: another one where we go a little bit more in
Speaker 1: debt with you, man, as far as all the legendary
Speaker 1: stuff you don't done, man, a man, I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: you know I'm saying. You know it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: been what thirty years, so you know that's that's thirty
Speaker 1: years of his the historic gainst the rap shit. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Oh for sure, yes, indeed, yes indeed,
Speaker 1: And you happen to get put in the game by
Speaker 1: one of the pioneers in the game Man as far
Speaker 1: as Street Rep Go and the penthology Man too Short
Speaker 1: of Himself? Man, ar did you wake up with Too Short? Man?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, sure you used to come come
Speaker 3: pick me up from school back in.
Speaker 1: The day because I was like sixteen. You got an
Speaker 1: album called The Dangers Crew. You know. Uh, it was
Speaker 1: crazy because I took the album back to the school.
Speaker 3: You know, I was walking back to school with the album.
Speaker 3: Shit that showed everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, you know I got an album Too Short,
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, you know, even back then, you know,
Speaker 1: just letting motherfuckers know. Whileman, even in high school, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, what I was kind of knew
Speaker 1: what I was dead it for, you know, knew what
Speaker 1: my uh my final destination would beat it. You know,
Speaker 1: took up with my guy him. He ain't to do
Speaker 1: some gates and rap ship. You know the own up
Speaker 1: right quick?
Speaker 5: Spice what you got hanging by you some pantyholes or
Speaker 5: purse or something hanging by you.
Speaker 1: Don't want, dog, I'm in I'm in Japan, man, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm looking at that. I'm looking. Let's see Steel,
Speaker 1: What the hell is that by your head? While didn't
Speaker 1: get it's a Jeff and left. I'm not even talking
Speaker 1: I'm my bad spice. I'm not even talking about you.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Steel lad. What then yeah, what the
Speaker 1: hell is that still in the corner? Then? Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: that one? Nigga? That's a bad dog. Stay, that's the
Speaker 1: Beatus bag dog. They look at three undred dollars bag
Speaker 1: thinking that motherfucker looked like an old fucking thing your
Speaker 1: grandma used to have hanging on the bathroom door when
Speaker 1: she used to have to, you know, clean that clean
Speaker 1: that twad out. That's what that looked like. That nigga
Speaker 1: said it was some petties, pattyeholes or something hanging on.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to the interview, don't go. So
Speaker 1: if you linked them were too short, right?
Speaker 4: And and then yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: So you linked up with short man. And what happened
Speaker 1: after that? When did you like like like whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: he you know, he picked me up with uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, one of the biggest de boys in
Speaker 1: the tail at that time and in the bay you know, uh,
Speaker 1: well when in the tail, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: I didn't even really know who the cat was in
Speaker 1: the back seat.
Speaker 3: You know, he was just one of the biggest bosses
Speaker 3: in the town at that time.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He was he was. He
Speaker 1: was really really relevant. You know, we in the in
Speaker 1: the Bay, we in the in the in the Bay,
Speaker 1: we call a nigga a factor. It's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, if he's sticking out, if he's
Speaker 1: standing out, we call him a factor. So, you know,
Speaker 1: dude was a factor in the town. When I say
Speaker 1: to town, I mean open you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So dude was a factor in the town. But I
Speaker 1: didn't know. You know what I'm saying. I'm a youngster.
Speaker 1: You know, I hop in the car. You know, he
Speaker 1: started talking to shit, don't hang with ass nigga. I'm like, oh, nigga,
Speaker 1: you know because he was he was. He was a
Speaker 1: chubby nigga.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, nigga, you you're a professional.
Speaker 1: Birthday cake even ask nigga, you don't be the first
Speaker 1: nigga to kept the cake and everybody else birthday party.
Speaker 1: I just got on him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Who I got So, I mean, you know, but uh.
Speaker 1: You know, we turned out to be real good friends.
Speaker 1: You know. So I'm and we go up to the
Speaker 1: studio and record, and you know, every time the uh
Speaker 1: police rode by looking for somebody else. You know, he
Speaker 1: had started looking around thigging it ain't chasing you, nigga.
Speaker 1: You know I didn't know, but they I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: his ands brother. Yeah, we we was around. You know,
Speaker 1: I was around a lot of a lot of ship
Speaker 1: back then in the town. But you know, Pops was
Speaker 1: a real serious dude. I remember he he caught us
Speaker 1: short up to the house one day and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, he told me, he was like, man, I
Speaker 1: need the hollow red too short.
Speaker 3: I need the hollow Red hallboys shortened and his manager and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, damn, you know what do you
Speaker 1: what do you want to how he gonna fuck everything up?
Speaker 1: You know? So, but Pops, I guess, you know, he
Speaker 1: was just you know, he just told you know, shorten
Speaker 1: them to you know, make sure take care and take
Speaker 1: care of his his son and make sure he's straightened
Speaker 1: or whatever, you knowuse he came back and told me
Speaker 1: what he told him. He said, I you know, I
Speaker 1: told him, you know, make sure that you're straightened, you
Speaker 1: take care of you, make sure you ain't up in
Speaker 1: the bullshit and all of that.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking back of my head, Pops, I'm already
Speaker 3: in the bullshit.
Speaker 1: Him so short, So the short John well no after
Speaker 1: uh what this was like eighty I was I was
Speaker 1: like sixteen back then. This was like eighty six when
Speaker 1: I was a rocket was short from the from the
Speaker 1: beginning after you know, sixteen, maybe uh for the four
Speaker 1: to six years later, four years later, I'm I'm eighteen
Speaker 1: twenty and uh I read I put out one eighty
Speaker 1: seventh proofs. Uh. He was in all of the record
Speaker 1: stores and uh it was independent so that uh r record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on Triad Records and and uh with Georgia Willis.
Speaker 1: And that's when you know, that's what Barry called. Uh
Speaker 1: uh this guy named Pizzo, Uh Piso to beat fixer.
Speaker 1: You know we I'm talking about a ot Pizzo. You know,
Speaker 1: the east of DJ was short en forty. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I guess, uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: was at Piso House in uh uh Jive records. Uh.
Speaker 1: One of the representatives called and it was very wise.
Speaker 1: He was Mordary. He was running. You know, he's running.
Speaker 1: He can call it t that's the biggest dollars charge.
Speaker 1: And he called and he like, you know, where's where's
Speaker 1: Spikes one at? He asking, uh, Piso, where I'm at?
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there, like, tell on right here, tell
Speaker 1: on right here, Piso, like you know, hold on, you know,
Speaker 1: let you there's some serious ship man. Lets you lawyers
Speaker 1: talk to this nigga man. You know what I'm saying, so,
Speaker 1: you know, and then eventually I connected with with Barry
Speaker 1: and and got them in touch with my lawyers and
Speaker 1: everything and and my people and management and stuff, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, from then on, you know, that's when we
Speaker 1: we we dropped h the whole album. We took the
Speaker 1: songs from the first EP and added some more another
Speaker 1: eight or nine songs, and and released the first Spikes
Speaker 1: One album on John for the show. You know what
Speaker 1: everybody's saying about give records from eugenk on you. But
Speaker 1: then say Job don't like bringing motherfuckers. And they had
Speaker 1: the same experience with the people he he was fucking
Speaker 1: with over there. Joe's job ass records man Jugy J
Speaker 1: said they never saw a royalty from that motherfucker you
Speaker 1: angle man or that was that was shit.
Speaker 5: Nobody I can speak on that. That's because you was
Speaker 5: getting budget. We was getting budgets of anywhere between two
Speaker 5: fifty and three hundred grand, okay, And they looked at
Speaker 5: it like a lot of you niggas is doing your
Speaker 5: own shit.
Speaker 1: You get me.
Speaker 5: So, because that's where it blamed with me. I didn't
Speaker 5: see a royal t check because they spending more than
Speaker 5: you making back. They're gonna recoup what ninety percent of what.
Speaker 1: They give you.
Speaker 5: Right we're making what you lucky to make seventy cents
Speaker 5: of record, okay, So you ain't gonna see a royalty
Speaker 5: check because we gave you three hundred and fifty up front.
Speaker 1: Right then you got what three videos?
Speaker 5: We spend about eighty five to one hundred grand on videos.
Speaker 5: So when you think they're like, yeah, man, I have
Speaker 5: sold a platinum record, nigga, I'll fit see some bread,
Speaker 5: they gonna know that motherfucking million and something that you
Speaker 5: owe is coming out of your seventy six. It don't
Speaker 5: come out of the motherfucking Yeah, you sold a million records,
Speaker 5: so about seven to ten million came in, But no,
Speaker 5: you still owe us a million point whatever out of
Speaker 5: your seventy six out of your you owe us one
Speaker 5: hundred and you owe us a million and something. So
Speaker 5: that's why a lot of niggas try to be smart
Speaker 5: and take that budget and pocket that budget. You get
Speaker 5: me that advance, so to speak. So if you're a
Speaker 5: nigga controlling your own destiny, you get me and you
Speaker 5: walking in there and you like, yeah, I'm eight Hype
Speaker 5: Productions nigga. I'm finna produce MC eight's new record, and
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. They finish cut me a check for
Speaker 5: three hundred grand, and then I'm finna go back to
Speaker 5: the house and I'm finna record that motherfucking my motherfucking
Speaker 5: BATHROOMK or my bedrounk.
Speaker 1: You get me and I'm finna cut and then.
Speaker 5: I'm feel Then I'm fin the motherfucking double back, and
Speaker 5: I'm finna produce the motherfucking myself, me and DJ Slip.
Speaker 1: So I'm finna break Slip or whatever. I'm finnla soon because.
Speaker 5: I don't have a budget, Like right, my budget ain't
Speaker 5: a fucking Doctor Dre or Snoop Dogg's budget.
Speaker 1: I a fucking MC eight budget. With him.
Speaker 5: You get me, I can't afford to give a nigga
Speaker 5: thirty thousand a track how they was getting back in
Speaker 5: the days. You get me, I can't. I can't afford
Speaker 5: to give a nigga one hundred thousand in a track.
Speaker 5: So I'm finn learn how to turn this fucking in
Speaker 5: PC on and get with my nigga slip and we
Speaker 5: find to produce this motherfucking record.
Speaker 1: So there go. I keep that money you getting.
Speaker 5: I keep the production because if you was a nigga
Speaker 5: from our erain, you wasn't getting no royal teacher back.
Speaker 1: It was just that it was royal.
Speaker 5: But I don't even get no LEAs niggas eight off
Speaker 5: of them advances and offer show money.
Speaker 1: Period about it. The cold part about that is if
Speaker 1: they spent two hundred thousand all releasing your album all together,
Speaker 1: you know they gonna say, you know, we spent two
Speaker 1: hundred thous releasing your album. We won't we need seventy
Speaker 1: seventy cent out of need. We need to do our
Speaker 1: money back out of your seventy cent record. When you
Speaker 1: when you do the math, you know, because I look
Speaker 1: at my album, I say, okay, you know ceds was
Speaker 1: going for about you know, uh shit, then little twenty
Speaker 1: dollars a a CD, you know, nineteen eighteen thousand a
Speaker 1: CD or whatever motherfucker CDs times times that by nine
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. That wasn't what we was getting off. You see.
Speaker 5: That's that's come from the step that comes from the
Speaker 5: motherfucking distributors.
Speaker 1: You give me the distributors.
Speaker 5: Know, the distributors were body shit from motherfuckers like Sony
Speaker 5: and them for about nine ninety nine or ten dollars
Speaker 5: and fifty two cents. That's what their motherfucking CD sold for.
Speaker 5: Right now, once they get the motherfucking tower or some
Speaker 5: tower gonna rank that motherfuck up to what steal fifteen
Speaker 5: ninety nine, sixteen ninety nine. But I know as a
Speaker 5: motherfucker basically the record labels sold, they product to the
Speaker 5: one stops in the whatever you buy a motherfucker for
Speaker 5: nine ninety nine or ten dollars in fifty two cents.
Speaker 1: Actually yeh, because you gotta remember the record company they
Speaker 1: getting anywhere when it first came out during the first
Speaker 1: ninety days, they might give it up for seven dollars
Speaker 1: and he were from six dollars to seven dollars. Yes,
Speaker 1: they trying to do that chromo clomo. So if you
Speaker 1: if you rushing by a certain amount within that first
Speaker 1: thirty days, they'll let you get it for seven bucks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember they was charging for shelf space back then.
Speaker 1: So if you had like the inn cap like at
Speaker 1: the Tower Records or a listening station or whatever, they
Speaker 1: may give it to him for five dollars. Then you know, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody made money except the artists exactly. They were selling
Speaker 1: merchandise too, you know, like we would do big tours
Speaker 1: like you know, I did a tour with me r
Speaker 1: Kelly uh Nia uh h town and uh too short
Speaker 1: and and uh and scarfaks and uh. We was at
Speaker 1: Graanlin State University. And you know I have I had
Speaker 1: Roger Travels tour bus. He let me use a tour
Speaker 1: bus of forty was forty was uh it was in
Speaker 1: his own tour bus, you know, right behind us doing
Speaker 1: his doing his own thing. He funded his own ship.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a hustler, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I and I brought forty along with us and
Speaker 1: and we we tour. We was tors doing shows. They
Speaker 1: was getting money from the T shirt and because what
Speaker 1: we I pull up. I pulled up to Grayland State University,
Speaker 1: man and I seen, you know, my fans with with
Speaker 1: Spice one hats, T shirts, uh jackets, the Saint Jackets
Speaker 1: of War. They hair done like mine, you know, with
Speaker 1: the with the braids and ship like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know as far as the merchandise, and we
Speaker 1: didn't see no money from that ship either. I don't
Speaker 1: see no merch no money from the merchant stuff from
Speaker 1: the big tours and shows. I didn't see a dying
Speaker 1: from none of that ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Everything I got now I had to hustle for. I
Speaker 1: take more money now than I did when I was
Speaker 1: signed to that madge la. And that's damn Shane, that's you.
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I wanted to ask you, Spickes.
Speaker 1: You real respected in the game. You did a lot
Speaker 1: of songs with a lot of people. Right. One of
Speaker 1: the ones that people keep asking about is your Tupac collaborations.
Speaker 1: Hout that you look up with him. I have to
Speaker 1: ask you, Brody to kill well. When I met Packy,
Speaker 1: he was already a fan and we had just he
Speaker 1: had just did juicing and we was on a ceter
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood video. He was already a fan of
Speaker 1: I was already a fan of him just from saying
Speaker 1: Johnson and just from he and around the town. You know,
Speaker 1: his music with Digital Underground and all of that ship
Speaker 1: because we was we used to we used to perform
Speaker 1: uh late nights in Frisco at the play um uh
Speaker 1: with me and Hammer used to be there Digital Underground.
Speaker 1: I've come through, you know, spit some ship or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I heard Abouttom around around that time. But he
Speaker 1: just came up to the video. Was like Spice, you know,
Speaker 1: was cracking uh and he's spending that. He was spending
Speaker 1: the Uh. He knew the words to the fucking stutter a.
Speaker 1: You know, he was kepting them in his frame with
Speaker 1: then he was picky, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh that Shiit Niggan know the words and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, from then on we that was my nick
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then we just started
Speaker 1: kicking it. We recorded a lot of songs, but you know,
Speaker 1: most of the time we just driving around smoking weed,
Speaker 1: getting high. You know how we used to do it.
Speaker 1: Eight We just drive around. Niggas have forty ounces. You know,
Speaker 1: it was it was the nineties. We have forties Hen
Speaker 1: and THEE and we hollering at the females riding down
Speaker 1: the black five six deep in the car, riding around.
Speaker 1: We be riding around Lake Bearing or something. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. When they where they just named the
Speaker 1: street after him, Uh Tupac and uh MacArthur way over
Speaker 1: there by the lake. So that's all I was doing.
Speaker 1: Pack and we was like, uh, I think I was
Speaker 1: like twenty and he was like light team. We couldn't
Speaker 1: even buy alcohol. Yeah, it was even too young even
Speaker 1: buy buy alcohol. Hey, this thuf is kind of for
Speaker 1: both of y'all. Then I'm gonna like you get yours off.
Speaker 1: So and the nineties was like here the what's era? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the light of these was kind of you know, because
Speaker 1: everybody was kind of getting getting used to the to
Speaker 1: the game or you know, niggas was you know a
Speaker 1: lot of street niggas was just getting used to having money,
Speaker 1: so especially legal money through the rap gag. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If they if they knew how to
Speaker 1: hold their own and and and push their own weight
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, you know, hustling a lot of
Speaker 1: hustle the game because it was all about you know,
Speaker 1: how good your music was and how you could hustle it.
Speaker 1: You know, I learned a lot of my tactics, you know,
Speaker 1: from from selling drugs back in the day. You know,
Speaker 1: if you got the you got the best dope. You know.
Speaker 1: I just gave out a few few uh uh few
Speaker 1: few of my my uh CDs or tapes that I
Speaker 1: had made, and I know they were it was hot,
Speaker 1: you know, I know it was hot, and you give
Speaker 1: out a few of them. He could he come to
Speaker 1: thiends he come to rap things, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know it's just like Ice T did the
Speaker 1: song Pusher. He was talking about, you know, I'm your pushing.
Speaker 1: He was pushing uh dope ass music and dope uh
Speaker 1: tape and sets and CDs back in the day. You know,
Speaker 1: it switched up to you know because because you know,
Speaker 1: you took that that hut happened free and you put
Speaker 1: it into your to your to your music, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So yeah, hell yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: motherfuckers was new to get money back then. You know,
Speaker 1: that's about the go ahead of saying, I.
Speaker 6: Was gonna say the music, Solda self, because you had
Speaker 6: a lot of great uh not only stories on there,
Speaker 6: but you had great production with A.
Speaker 4: Banks, she had Blackjack, E. S.
Speaker 1: C M T. And they all were on the first album.
Speaker 1: So what did you see and.
Speaker 6: What did each one of the production people you worked
Speaker 6: would really bring to the splice on the album that
Speaker 6: you thought was different and distinctive.
Speaker 1: Well, Banks and C. M T and E. A. Ski
Speaker 1: all three of them actually played instruments. You know. They
Speaker 1: all actually knew how to play the keyboard and the guitar,
Speaker 1: and they knew how to actually make music.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That was definitely a plus.
Speaker 1: It brought out a lot, brought a lot out in
Speaker 1: me when I heard real music, Uh, chords and strings
Speaker 1: and ship you know, my my imagination and uh started
Speaker 1: just going there, you know what I'm saying. So you know, uh,
Speaker 1: it does matter when the when the beat, the beat
Speaker 1: does bring out something in you as a as a
Speaker 1: rap artist.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't make music.
Speaker 1: I can. I could have told them, I could have
Speaker 1: told them what I wanted and they'd give me exactly
Speaker 1: what I wanted. Even slip you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Remember Slip, Uh you know talking about he I tell
Speaker 1: Slip you know what I wanted. You know, they played
Speaker 1: you know, he knew how to how to get down.
Speaker 1: You know back in the day. Uh, artists was real artists, man,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, then they know how to play instruments.
Speaker 1: So they brought that a lot of that, they brought
Speaker 1: that to to to me, that was that was something
Speaker 1: new to me when I when I first started dealing
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 4: And then Blackjack also doesn't get a lot of shine
Speaker 4: with the money going.
Speaker 1: Man. Uh Blackjack gets travel on aside and money and
Speaker 1: much he's up yell, they ain't even you know, uh, hey,
Speaker 1: that was sleeping on black Jack then you know, you know,
Speaker 1: uh they they got up on a banks and ski
Speaker 1: but they that they slept on black Jack, that that
Speaker 1: nigga was hot. He's still hot. Yeah, I fuck with
Speaker 1: I fuck with Blackjack a couple of times. I think good.
Speaker 5: Producers just when you're a good producer and you know
Speaker 5: who you're fucking with, then ship it's just automatic. You
Speaker 5: don't have to sit up and be babysitting a nigga
Speaker 5: or you know, you got to tell him motherfucker.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: What what you what?
Speaker 5: You sound good on? You bid me actually come from
Speaker 5: the producer period.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I get a lot of niggas who hit me up.
Speaker 5: You want to send me tracks and ship like that,
Speaker 5: and they'll feed me thousands and thousands of tracks you
Speaker 5: give me, but it is trying to tell him, motherfucker,
Speaker 5: just go back and listen to my last project, go
Speaker 5: to project for that, or go listen to some history
Speaker 5: of me, and you probably get the feeling.
Speaker 1: Of what type of shit I like to you know,
Speaker 1: like I like to create too. It's really crazy when
Speaker 1: you know the producers that hit you and be like, man,
Speaker 1: you know I got the hottest ship, I got the
Speaker 1: perfect this and perfect that, and then it'd be some
Speaker 1: totally shit that's out of your era or your of
Speaker 1: what you used to So shout out to h You know,
Speaker 1: real producers who take their time and know the artists
Speaker 1: that they fuck with, and that when they really trying
Speaker 1: to produce it, when they really trying to produce a beat,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know, motherfucker, study the artists and
Speaker 1: the oh man shit I know with spice one, like listen,
Speaker 1: you know, listen to this song or listen to this song. Shit,
Speaker 1: he was busting on this and busting on that. So
Speaker 1: usually producers come in knowing what your flavor.
Speaker 6: Should well, like you said, though, eight, the real producers
Speaker 6: they know, you know, some dudes.
Speaker 1: Out there just turn their ship on and be like, nigga, here,
Speaker 1: this is what I got. Niggas, and you be like
Speaker 1: really like, yeah, I can't you know what it is?
Speaker 1: Now out you would a because ah, you came up
Speaker 1: before Spice, right, yeah, yeah, when did y'all niga, when
Speaker 1: did your first meet Spice? Well, it was that I
Speaker 1: met Spider.
Speaker 5: I met Spice when I started doing Minis and Barry
Speaker 5: and uh, what was my other nigga name? Yes, Jeff,
Speaker 5: Jeff and Barry. They ran Jah. I got the soundtrack
Speaker 5: to Minister Society and I was a fan of Spice.
Speaker 5: So with them h being fans of M C, A
Speaker 5: C and W, you know, me being on the set
Speaker 5: and then then being able to hear minutes and all
Speaker 5: that shit, and then knowing Spice was on the soundtrack, Uh,
Speaker 5: they basically hollered at us to produce a song for
Speaker 5: Spice on his new record coming up. So we grew
Speaker 5: up to Oakland and That's how me and Spice meant
Speaker 5: and we've been cool ever since.
Speaker 1: Is that right? So y'all got the first song y'all
Speaker 1: did with the Murder Show, right, Yeah, I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 1: the nighties was grying his hell. Man, everything was about
Speaker 1: kill him up, kill him up, shoot him up, bang bang.
Speaker 5: I think you I think the nineties was treacherous for
Speaker 5: us because we was young niggas coming up out the streets,
Speaker 5: man getting it was a lot going on and not
Speaker 5: too you low down play the situation, and you low
Speaker 5: because everybody you gangster rap and y'all fucked up niggas
Speaker 5: heads and y'all had niggas out youngsters wanting to be whatever. Well,
Speaker 5: I grew up in that life, you feel me. Uh,
Speaker 5: It wasn't no rap records for a nigga, You feel me,
Speaker 5: sh nigga. I was on the block cleaning trag. Now
Speaker 5: know I thought about was how much money I'm gonna
Speaker 5: make off of servant you getting me? Like I tell
Speaker 5: people in a lot of interviews, Well, I tell people
Speaker 5: in a lot of interviews.
Speaker 1: When you come out of.
Speaker 5: That adolescence and you're around the essence of fucking it's
Speaker 5: niggas down the street pimping. It's niggas down the streets
Speaker 5: selling dope. It's niggas, damn it, Yo, dreams of being
Speaker 5: a fucking don't be a fireman. I'm gonna be a
Speaker 5: policeman when I grow up. I'm gonna be a nigga.
Speaker 5: Shit out the window, you give me. And so when
Speaker 5: Rap came, we sort up.
Speaker 1: You get me. He was like, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: my way out, but not really cause nigga still and
Speaker 1: get me.
Speaker 5: We didn't look at it like at that time, as
Speaker 5: this is gonna be my way out, nigga said, talk
Speaker 5: about nigga. We from Campton and we shoot them up,
Speaker 5: bang bang, and there's rough niggas and we're fell dope
Speaker 5: and the police is fucked up and whatever and so.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of niggas was going through
Speaker 5: that situation around that time. So a lot of niggas
Speaker 5: from the West Coast, CMW, Spice, fucking Cube, fucking.
Speaker 1: Or whoever you was.
Speaker 5: Man, if you came up out of southern California, northern California,
Speaker 5: fuck it, you was probably talking about some streat shit.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, ship, I mean if you wasn't, I mean, man,
Speaker 1: if if we we used to walk to school, uh
Speaker 1: don't know. And on the way to school, if you didn't,
Speaker 1: if you didn't, we looked at you. If you didn't,
Speaker 1: if you didn't sell dope, or if you didn't know, uh,
Speaker 1: all of two short songs, you was a bitch ass naked,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. On the way to school,
Speaker 1: we walking, you know, seeing singing two short raps talking
Speaker 1: about how how much dope we was gonna sell when
Speaker 1: we got out of school, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: We're not We wasn't trying to glorify that ship. You know.
Speaker 1: We was just that's just what it was at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, you you you know ship that it is.
Speaker 1: It was joke, dope and drugs and guns all over
Speaker 1: the motherfucking place. You couldn't help but run into that ship,
Speaker 1: you know. And then and then to to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Uh, it was entertaining to people. So you know, you
Speaker 3: make the motherfucking words wrong.
Speaker 1: You a natural poet, You know that ship down, man,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna, you know, motherfucker's gonna feel you. So,
Speaker 1: you know. But the thing was, you know, like songs
Speaker 1: like Welcome to the ghetto.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It was it was, it was Uh. I had to
Speaker 1: write something describing you know how we how how how
Speaker 1: it was out there. And you know we ain't the
Speaker 1: we ain't. We ain't the the motherfuckers that you think we.
Speaker 1: We ain't just sitting out here trying to pop motherfuckers,
Speaker 1: shoot motherfuckers, jack motherfuckers and.
Speaker 4: All of that.
Speaker 1: Ship. We are here really trying to make money because
Speaker 1: you know that's that's you know, that was the American
Speaker 1: gain back there. You know what I'm saying, the you know,
Speaker 1: for for us as as as as as youngster's as
Speaker 1: kids on the black, we're seeing that as you know
Speaker 1: that you know, we're gonna we're gonna, uh, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get paid like like uh like Phoenix, Mitchell and and
Speaker 1: and uh Freeway, Rick mem and ship. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, We shouldn't get paid like that because you
Speaker 1: know it wasn't no, you know, we wouldn't. We wouldn't
Speaker 1: think about like a being no fireman or doctor see
Speaker 1: that lawyer and nothing. You know what I'm saying, that
Speaker 1: was so far fast from us. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: hell no, so I mean, you know, just getting money anyway,
Speaker 1: we could ship and the and the and and it
Speaker 1: was literally uh art imitating lights, you know, surreal for real.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't no fake ship U or niggas was
Speaker 3: making up.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 1: Spice. Let me ask you this man, you have you
Speaker 1: always had a real unique flow. That was the first
Speaker 1: thing that taught me about you. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: you had a lot of patrois and views in your rhymes,
Speaker 1: you know, like the reggae ship man, and you had
Speaker 1: a little stutter stup rhyme. Man. I'll let you develop that. Man.
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of reggae when I when
Speaker 1: I when I was a youngster, and I've seen I
Speaker 1: heard the styles that they was doing like they would
Speaker 1: you know, they would uh, they would stutter uh in
Speaker 1: their own little way. And I was trying to ca
Speaker 1: and do my own little thing, even the flows or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's a dope flow. Maybe I could
Speaker 1: put that to a to a rap beat and ship
Speaker 1: and the just spit my own ship and it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: I was working on I don't know, And it's what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do with if I'm a do it or not,
Speaker 1: because it's like it's a opposite of what bad boys
Speaker 1: the song bad Boys, Bad Boys, What you're gonna do,
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do when they come for you? And
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, what you're gonna do when't a bad
Speaker 1: boy come for you? And listene what you're gonna do
Speaker 1: when the bad boy coming for you? Croocket, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: a what you're gonna do when the boy coming for you?
Speaker 1: You know. So I'm stuttering the ship up in there
Speaker 1: or whatever, doing my little ship. But you know, I
Speaker 1: always was into reggae music like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And so, uh, yeah, you won't you gonna
Speaker 1: hear reggae flow. I hit up I hit up Doc
Speaker 1: a few days ago, d O c H Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I got that reggae flow listening to you
Speaker 1: and kras One and Ship and all the other uh
Speaker 1: reggae artists out there. So I just I just big
Speaker 1: reggae ship. That's I listened to it a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like to smoke weeds hooded ship. So you might
Speaker 1: come up, come up, walk up on me. I'm reggae out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Just blowing, just listening to
Speaker 1: Bib Marty or Ziggy Marty or some old ship you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, hell and you're like angel Boy Bushie Bond,
Speaker 1: Tom Hill. Yeah, that was the homie ranking. Screw all
Speaker 1: all of my guys. You know, my my reggae name
Speaker 1: is is fire Thief. So you know when when you
Speaker 1: see me, if you're the right stop because it said
Speaker 1: fire thiefs, one of at least be a gang set
Speaker 1: of fire thief you know, cause I steal all the
Speaker 1: lighters and ship fighters all right, the fighting guys. Motherfucker, Hey,
Speaker 1: is this the question more?
Speaker 6: This?
Speaker 1: This is a question more for you and a man.
Speaker 1: You know. You guys kind of paved the way for
Speaker 1: these cats to be able to do what they want
Speaker 1: to do today, you know, and say what they want
Speaker 1: to say. You guys were kind of like the freedom
Speaker 1: the freedom of speech fighters back to day. Y'all had
Speaker 1: see the Lowers Tucker out there talking to box y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all had Reverend Calvin Butts roll them over, y'all CDs
Speaker 1: and ship man did that ever fuck with y'all a
Speaker 1: little bit? Like I kind of dog, I was digging it.
Speaker 1: I was like that looked like my ship out there,
Speaker 1: they're rolling over there that was about.
Speaker 5: It didn't really bother motherfucker. I guess because we grew
Speaker 5: up with the with the We grew up with the
Speaker 5: thinking of all that all publicity is good publicity, So
Speaker 5: you can't give no shit what I'm already looked at
Speaker 5: as bad. So how bad can that be? You got
Speaker 5: a senator talking about a Compton's most wanted record, or
Speaker 5: you know, or Sony deciding to double sticker my album.
Speaker 5: You give me the first album that was ever double
Speaker 5: sticker because of the content.
Speaker 1: I just I just looked at.
Speaker 5: It as all this shit that that goes on, and
Speaker 5: it's always this free you know, did the the the
Speaker 5: outcome of free speech what it's supposed to be. But
Speaker 5: I guess in a whole I never was threatened by
Speaker 5: this ship. Like, as long as a motherfucker gone keep
Speaker 5: being able to press up MCA records back then, ain't
Speaker 5: gonna scare motherfucker. Like I said, Sony didn't do shit
Speaker 5: with double sticker my next record. After all that controversy,
Speaker 5: Fuck it, we're gonna say the views of this artist
Speaker 5: or his and his only you think they was gonna
Speaker 5: pull them out, We come strap record or whatever and
Speaker 5: be like, nah, we can't put this shit out.
Speaker 1: Hell fucking up y'all records, didn't it? I mean in
Speaker 1: a way, And.
Speaker 5: Like I said, it was a lot of it was
Speaker 5: a lot of political. Uh, it was a lot of
Speaker 5: political shit attached to that campaign of let's go after
Speaker 5: let's go after those guys calling women pitches and let's
Speaker 5: go after those guys calling women wars and talking about
Speaker 5: fuck the police said.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna, we're gonna build.
Speaker 5: Our political American platform off of going after those guys.
Speaker 5: But you see that ship every year, don't you, America.
Speaker 5: I mean times motherfucker to use the motherfucker to build
Speaker 5: their political place.
Speaker 1: You give me. So, at the time, we was, we
Speaker 1: was just the face of it. You give me.
Speaker 5: I'm surprised they ain't going after the the the hotty
Speaker 5: dotty girls and you know, the half nicked women in
Speaker 5: you know, the day to day.
Speaker 1: But you know everything is clear now, you feel me?
Speaker 5: So you should have that freedom of speech and the
Speaker 5: ladies do what they want to do and we as
Speaker 5: men do what we want to do. As far as
Speaker 5: this music shit is concerned, because basically it's motherfucker's making
Speaker 5: music and just expressing whatever the fucks and if you're
Speaker 5: gonna be dumb as fuck to go out and do
Speaker 5: or you know, try to live, motherfucker. Go slap on
Speaker 5: the cake, nigga, jump off the roof, nigga, be superman.
Speaker 1: Then you know, it was basically the the therapy for me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like you I'd use my
Speaker 1: you know, aggression I might get, you know, you know
Speaker 1: back in the day, I might have got pissed off,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to do this and do that, you know,
Speaker 1: and you kind of you do you throw it into
Speaker 1: your music. You know what I'm saying. It's therapy for
Speaker 1: it for a thug nigga. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I always needed my music. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, when I got mad or got pissed off
Speaker 1: or something, then it gave me more energy in the booth.
Speaker 1: Or I would use that ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the songs that you guys hear
Speaker 1: on my records, you know, yeah, I was really feeling
Speaker 1: that way. You know what I'm saying. I wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just you know, all gotta come up. It was
Speaker 1: I was really feeling that way about ship that went
Speaker 1: down on the streets or or or certain or anything
Speaker 1: that was going on. You know, I was, I was
Speaker 1: really pissed off. You know what I'm saying, so and
Speaker 1: I used it so I mean shit with uh. I'm
Speaker 1: saying all of that to say, hell, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: you gotta stay niggas, stay on and ship and keep
Speaker 1: shit real. That's how your your music lased, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying over there. You know, we saw ain't
Speaker 1: getting the acting back in the day, and he got
Speaker 1: some stuff coming out. Now we actually we actually started
Speaker 1: to shoot movies twenty twenty four, the first quarter twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, we actually go start shooting some movies. Have
Speaker 1: you ever thought about getting the acting and doing some shit?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, you know, especially if you know.
Speaker 1: If the road, if the road fitting my character and shit,
Speaker 1: you know, I would say I wouldn't even be after
Speaker 1: act have to act.
Speaker 3: I was just you know, just say with saying what
Speaker 3: I would naturally say.
Speaker 1: Well, as you know the question as y'all, no, no,
Speaker 1: because I think all four of us on here don't
Speaker 1: have We've mentioned something online and you look up and
Speaker 1: see another motherfucker doing this. So I'm learning my lesson
Speaker 1: with that. But me and they got some concepts that
Speaker 1: we're working on, man, and we shoot movies next year,
Speaker 1: and we really want to get you on. Bog On
Speaker 1: the Sword is involved with it too, and we gonna
Speaker 1: do some real fly, amazing shit.
Speaker 5: Dog.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much go kill the game. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna make not were talking about that off the air,
Speaker 1: because you know, you got the haters out there righting
Speaker 1: out listening, man, and and a chance to be stealing.
Speaker 1: Got so much money, they could take your ideal that
Speaker 1: you planning to do and go execute that motherfucking thing
Speaker 1: this week. And you gonna look up you like thinking
Speaker 1: might have the same idea. How did you find it
Speaker 1: out like that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Really? That's really speak you know how they say, you
Speaker 1: know it can it's heads out, it's rich. It's haters
Speaker 1: out there with money too. I'll the haters they bro
Speaker 1: this motherfucker's out there with money that's hang on you
Speaker 1: and you gotta left than they do. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: why I'll rack with it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's the cold thing about it. I want to include you
Speaker 1: on it. I want to include you at all. They
Speaker 1: want to clude you in. Uh, they go do their
Speaker 1: own white verds and some ship you don't thought off,
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, damn, man, the motherfuckers don't stole
Speaker 1: my ship. And they don't even make no sense to
Speaker 1: even talk about it because everybody else will look at
Speaker 1: you like, oh man, you ain't think of that. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I even racket that I used to walk around before
Speaker 1: I dropped one eighty seven prove. I used to walk
Speaker 1: around and I be spitting into the hollies and ship
Speaker 1: all the time, and some of my clothes homies was like, man,
Speaker 1: don't don't don't say that ship no more, Like don't
Speaker 1: wrap that song no more, don't wrap that ship to nobody.
Speaker 1: And there was not your motherfucker out there doing it exactly.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker would have took that whole concept concept and rock
Speaker 1: with it. You know, it got into the radio before
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, rap, don't trip off my ship.
Speaker 5: That's just my my smoke machine right now. That's you know,
Speaker 5: they got that good camera effect. You like that and
Speaker 5: steal It's all good.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 5: Anything you like the camera tricks out. They getting up
Speaker 5: with because smoked up, it started flazing up. All the
Speaker 5: bigger covered in my bigger was sitting back like, what
Speaker 5: the fuck going dog?
Speaker 1: Right there? Yeah, ain't got a farg machine over Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cracking right now. Got a farging machine. I got
Speaker 1: a far machine right here. You will take it out.
Speaker 1: So it's broke. It's broke, fall with dope. Damn. You
Speaker 1: got a real for machine over there? Space What that's
Speaker 1: like right there? See? He said, that's my active You
Speaker 1: know I can get it in if I need ain't,
Speaker 1: So you know what's thinking of act that? Man? Now,
Speaker 1: I hate to come out and ask questions that motherfuckers
Speaker 1: don't ask a million times already. Man, what was going
Speaker 1: on in the movie set? Man? Was you out there
Speaker 1: beating niggas up to Spice? Nah? You know? I actually
Speaker 1: was just I didn't even see it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was just I just literally told you
Speaker 1: know when I when I've seen all and I said, man,
Speaker 1: go up, go, no nigga go, And I've seen niggas
Speaker 1: trying to chase him up the hill. And I went
Speaker 1: down and I looked, I ain't the fuck y'all doing
Speaker 1: like cut that ship you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you know, by then the damage was already done, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So so that that one you
Speaker 1: really gift because she was there too, Hay.
Speaker 5: Right, I wasn't there. I wasn't shooting that day. I
Speaker 5: was on the set every day, but that day I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't think I had a show while I was
Speaker 5: out of town, so I wasn't on set that day.
Speaker 5: I remember going down back then. Boy, I shouldn't have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't when you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: ay if I ever told you this, but when I
Speaker 1: you know, came and got me from the airport that
Speaker 1: day and I was, I was, I was. I was
Speaker 1: drinking Jackie Coke all the way there and from so
Speaker 1: by the time I landed, you know, back picked me
Speaker 1: up and he showed me, you know what what the
Speaker 1: newspaper and ship you know what I'm saying, and he's
Speaker 1: and it said a newspaper.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Tupai comes to the set of Minister Society drunk and
Speaker 1: high came into his lines, so that Hughes brother's firing, right,
Speaker 1: And he was like, man, they didn't even call me
Speaker 1: and say nothing, And I'm like, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn for real, you know, but I was. I was twisted, man,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was like, he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna beat thing, motherfucking ass right, and so shule you
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna start saying. I said, nigga, you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do nothing, nigga. Yeah. As to get it,
Speaker 1: the ship, I didn't even know they was gonna even
Speaker 1: be up be up there. I had no idea that
Speaker 1: was gonna be there. And I kept, you know, talking ship,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna do that, nigga, you ain't gonna do
Speaker 1: it that. I kept saying that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He was like I wanna beat that. I won't beat that.
Speaker 1: And you know, but I didn't know that they was
Speaker 1: gonna be up there and ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Uh, That's why when I sing him, I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: cut that ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, this is this the mother,
Speaker 1: this is making videos she founding this up here acting
Speaker 1: crying and ship. You know, but shout out to the
Speaker 1: Hughes brothers. None. I love the niggas, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. At least they tried to put in some ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Who's gonna be your rooms?
Speaker 1: Who was your wrong? Gonna be Spice? I was gonna
Speaker 1: be old Dog. That's right. Showed me the last one
Speaker 1: about to be Sharik. I had the script, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But my manager at the time was
Speaker 1: he just wasn't really helling his fucking didness. So I
Speaker 1: had to fire that nigga, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He had to get the fuck up out of there.
Speaker 1: I was hot over this ship. I even after I
Speaker 1: realized that the ship wasn't happening. I uh, I drunk
Speaker 1: like a whole thing. Uh, Carlos ROSSI it had to end.
Speaker 1: That ended up in the hospital with ship. I was
Speaker 1: mad at it for real, man. You know what, man,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of a lot of people, Man,
Speaker 1: A lot of the homies suffered from having bad management
Speaker 1: back then, because I think about like even eight, for example,
Speaker 1: the role he played in Minutes eight was supposed to
Speaker 1: go on to me and have the same kind of
Speaker 1: movie career. Almost a cube when you say so sorry
Speaker 1: when an extrapt yeah, I mean I was.
Speaker 4: I was in twelve War, so yeah, we gotta get
Speaker 4: we got.
Speaker 1: That's what, like I said, it was fortunately lead you though.
Speaker 1: I think they'll do it though, you know what, I
Speaker 1: think you still got a long.
Speaker 5: Where it went to where he went for a reason,
Speaker 5: and you know, you gotta take steps. Like I said,
Speaker 5: I always tell the same analogy to my son. Uh,
Speaker 5: some motherfuckers get there overnight. Some motherfuckers that take twenty
Speaker 5: years to get there and build it up, and you
Speaker 5: gotta take the long road. Don't mean you ain't gonna
Speaker 5: get there. It's just for some of us, man, they
Speaker 5: just take a longer walk. You feel me, I think
Speaker 5: it might be better to day those fights.
Speaker 1: Just like I said, Man, the stuff we about to
Speaker 1: do in twenty twenty four goa be crowned breaking. It
Speaker 1: can't nobody doing but us, Brom. We gonna reap the
Speaker 1: financial benefits off the ship without somebody else going and
Speaker 1: throwing us peanuts. Yeah. Yeah, you would think a motherfucker
Speaker 1: would respect the motherfucker's talent. And you know what the
Speaker 1: fucking he done been through and all this hard work
Speaker 1: of writing and coming up with songs and stories and
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be able to hang with every
Speaker 1: other motherfucking significant artists out there, and it's just some
Speaker 1: motherfuckers come along and go, Now, you all deserve nothing. Here,
Speaker 1: a nigga take this ten dollars while I take this
Speaker 1: ten thousand. You feel me, it's just some niggas who
Speaker 1: felt like that. And I say, those are the niggas
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 5: You wish that every motherfucker would be on the up
Speaker 5: and up, like I tell you all the time. Still
Speaker 5: it just don't happen, you feel me, It just don't happen.
Speaker 5: If a motherfucker feel they can fuck you, they're going
Speaker 5: to fuck you and they don't feel no remorse about it.
Speaker 1: Ain't that crazy? So I think we all got them stories. Hey, Spice,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, ma'am. When you you was
Speaker 1: a with JIB at the time, man, did you ever
Speaker 1: talked to biggy Wise about the financial disparities that was
Speaker 1: going on up there?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 5: I did you even have a direct connection to Barry
Speaker 5: and Jeff or did you go everything through your manager?
Speaker 1: I did for a while, and then and then they didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't talk to nobody but my manager.
Speaker 1: You know, at the end, you know, they wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't get Berry on the phone or Jeff on the
Speaker 1: phone at the end, and that that hurt my feelings
Speaker 1: due that that that really you know, they brought me
Speaker 1: up there and they used to throw me birthday parties,
Speaker 1: you know, you you you know, give me my my
Speaker 1: my gold, my plate in the gold plaques and pushed
Speaker 1: my record and all of that, you know, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden the water cut off, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know why, you know.
Speaker 3: And my manager was he started if it seemed like
Speaker 3: he was working for them, he wasn't working for me
Speaker 3: no more.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: So fice, when you were going on Gold and having
Speaker 4: all the success and and having these big records, big videos, soundtracks,
Speaker 4: all this stuff, you literally only got your advances nobody
Speaker 4: ever ever.
Speaker 1: You know, I've just now started to see it of residuals,
Speaker 1: uh because you know, I don't know what happened with job,
Speaker 1: but if they still out there a lot. But you know,
Speaker 1: I still get my get my residuals, get my rugties.
Speaker 1: Some of the I'm not getting some I'm working on.
Speaker 1: But I still see it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But thirty years later, you know, well, you know, Spikes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something, man, And you got to
Speaker 1: look into this man and you maybe me, you and
Speaker 1: so on. But they can have a conversation once we
Speaker 1: get off the show. All of those albums have a
Speaker 1: reversion on them to where you may own a lot
Speaker 1: of them albums right now. Yeah, right you may, only
Speaker 1: you may some of this stuff is I know, bonus
Speaker 1: about to get their stuff back. They're about to get
Speaker 1: their albums back right now. And you should be in
Speaker 1: the same position, man, because it's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that It's a lot of stuff that people did that
Speaker 1: was crooked back then. Because you got to remember the
Speaker 1: time when y'all signed y'all contracts. Man, it wasn't no
Speaker 1: digital So I think they be selling digital albums and
Speaker 1: streaming digital albums where they don't really have the right string.
Speaker 1: Well it, yeah, it wasn't no such thing as the
Speaker 1: end of that, yeah exactly. So we definitely got to
Speaker 1: have a conversation, man, And I know it's a lot
Speaker 1: of people trying to say the advantage of that right now,
Speaker 1: Like me and eight had a guy to hear this
Speaker 1: man talking about some of them where eight may want
Speaker 1: to go buy a car or he may want to
Speaker 1: go buy some rims. I said, what the fuck. So
Speaker 1: so they pretty much wanted to buy the rights to
Speaker 1: this album for like, and I ain't even gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the Sun, but it was embarrassed, and I said,
Speaker 1: why would he sell y'all that when that's what he
Speaker 1: get a year off his routes? Exactly, that's great.
Speaker 5: And the first it's in some people that feel like
Speaker 5: all this on our generation or desperate right union. They
Speaker 5: feel a lot of artists from our era are broke,
Speaker 5: you know, because let's face it, we never did reap
Speaker 5: the rewards from our work. Niggas was having gold and
Speaker 5: platinum records and if that shit was today, you get me,
Speaker 5: you'd be reaping. You be reaping the rewards from your
Speaker 5: gold and platinum and double platinum records. But shit, back then,
Speaker 5: you could have a motherfucking platinum record and you're still
Speaker 5: living on the block, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Uh, it just it just was, it just was shit
Speaker 1: that was unheard of.
Speaker 5: And for a motherfucker to take all this hard work
Speaker 5: and like I said, again, trying to come up and
Speaker 5: create but fucking shit, trying to create music that you know,
Speaker 5: when you got competition, like niggas like Spice wanted ice
Speaker 5: Cube and Scarface and ll cool J and you get me.
Speaker 1: You're trying to come up with decent material to looked up.
Speaker 5: And Nigga a year later, Nigga, it's like, damn, my
Speaker 5: record when platinum, but I ain't getting not a dollar
Speaker 5: like a nigga, ain't a nigga, ain't send me a
Speaker 5: check for nothing.
Speaker 1: They didn't came knocking on my door talking about it's
Speaker 1: time to do another album. I'm like, what the you know?
Speaker 1: But it's unfortunate that we went through that era. You know,
Speaker 1: now it's streaming and.
Speaker 5: Digital and niggas could push their own shit and you
Speaker 5: ain't gotta go through a label and all that shit.
Speaker 5: Nigga could pocket all this money from fucking let me
Speaker 5: drop my shit on a sound cloud or this, or
Speaker 5: you get me, I'm gonna get all my bread and
Speaker 5: don't be a popular little artist who you know, city
Speaker 5: getting behind them and fans and next thing you know, nigga,
Speaker 5: he got a million streams on whatever.
Speaker 1: Niggas collected real money nowadays it was, but you're not
Speaker 1: in masters or something, so you know, we just gotta
Speaker 1: fight a little longer, man, you know, to get on.
Speaker 1: Just say spikes let me ask you this broom. You
Speaker 1: were a phenomenal artist. He is a phenomenal artist. Do
Speaker 1: you ever feel like you get the respect from the industry?
Speaker 1: I know you got the respect from the people, right,
Speaker 1: but do you ever feel like you get the respect
Speaker 1: from like the the povers that be, like the guysis
Speaker 1: and the different people that's in position to do stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that you get the respect you
Speaker 1: supposed to? Well, the you know certain artists, I mean
Speaker 1: certain uh, certain certain fans out there. Are they just
Speaker 1: a fan that just regular fans of hip hop? It's hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard for me to to to to register it
Speaker 3: when they start mentioning Bay Area artists and they don't
Speaker 3: say spikes one that that that right there.
Speaker 1: That hurt.
Speaker 3: That hurt a little bit, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: knowing that you know one seventh fast nigga from the Bay,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like this is this is
Speaker 3: this is me saying this ship in and in the in.
Speaker 1: Uh in ninety two ninety three, you could tell that
Speaker 1: the East Bay was his home. You know, there was
Speaker 1: no other artists representing the Bay like that back then
Speaker 1: except I think mac dre was. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Every artist was representing you know where they was from,
Speaker 1: or I'm from the town from Oakland, I'm from I'm
Speaker 1: from uh from, I'm from the Leo. Uh. I didn't say,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm from Hayward uh uh, but I did it.
Speaker 1: I put it in my song. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I represented my town or whatever. But I just really
Speaker 1: wanted to represent the Bay as a whole because I
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, I was I was. I wasn't
Speaker 1: just rapping to to uh to to one town. I
Speaker 1: was rapping to the world. Really, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that I want to represent the Bay Area, and
Speaker 1: it seemed like, you know, you know, when you don't
Speaker 1: get your props for when you know I don't get
Speaker 1: our props for that, you know, it kind of hurt
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 1: know who I am, and I know uh uh the
Speaker 1: people who respect me, and that's enough for me to
Speaker 1: not even trip on that ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: As far as every time I feel that way, all
Speaker 1: I do is I think you know, damn. The first
Speaker 1: time I landed in New York City, run DMC was
Speaker 1: sitting there waiting for me. It was waiting for me.
Speaker 1: They was sitting there waiting to see Spice One get
Speaker 1: out the I still had these cats on my wall
Speaker 1: in my room and they wait for me when I
Speaker 1: land so and I talked to him and they Spice.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, what y'all doing here? Man? We
Speaker 1: wait for you? What's up? You know?
Speaker 6: Uh uh?
Speaker 3: Like you know what's going on with your Spice?
Speaker 1: And that was that. That that alone, that memory alone
Speaker 1: is enough for me to say, you know, he sh
Speaker 1: you know, I don't give a fuck, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I know who I am, and ship, I
Speaker 1: know what I did, and and and and memories like
Speaker 1: going to Japan and and seeing my Japanese fans and
Speaker 1: and and seeing them wait there at the airport for me,
Speaker 1: and the in crowds, and and me thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: a man, is they waiting for me? On there? For me?
Speaker 1: Like for real?
Speaker 3: You know, after all of these years, you know, they
Speaker 3: at the airport waiting for me.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they was. They was at the airport wait
Speaker 1: for Spikes one, with all my CDs and my old
Speaker 1: albums and showing me stuff, you know. And that and
Speaker 1: that was way in Japan, so I know who I am.
Speaker 1: So you know you're just you're just not going to spikes.
Speaker 1: Well no, this this was even back in h I've
Speaker 1: been there a few times, back in when I first
Speaker 1: landed there. The first time I went there was like
Speaker 1: maybe two thousand or twenty ten.
Speaker 3: Or something like that.
Speaker 1: And uh, and that's what it was, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And and when when you when stuff like that,
Speaker 1: when you when you uh experience stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, shit, you know, well, just because
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers don't know who I am. Ship the rest
Speaker 1: of the world is up on they ship like shit.
Speaker 1: Japan know who Spikes one is, and Germany know whose
Speaker 1: Spikes one is and in Australia know who Spikes one is.
Speaker 1: They come to the shows they represent. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's a few cats hate act like they don't.
Speaker 1: Know who I am, or don't give me my proper
Speaker 1: respect or when it's respect to do. I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck because I know who I am around the world,
Speaker 1: not just the world, really, I don't. I don't never
Speaker 1: look for.
Speaker 5: You give me because I know what I've done I
Speaker 5: know what I do as far as being you know whatever,
Speaker 5: m C eight or whatever, but beyond that, you know,
Speaker 5: trying to just be a good motherfucker, a good nigga today.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, A grown ass man.
Speaker 5: Do I look for respect or whatever from other motherfuckers,
Speaker 5: you know, especially a lot of industry motherfuckers. I just
Speaker 5: put it like, you know, you don't gotta like what
Speaker 5: MC eight has done as far as musically or whatever
Speaker 5: is your flavor, but you're gonna respect what MC eight
Speaker 5: has done as far as the hip hop is concerned
Speaker 5: and what music is concerned. So that's just the way
Speaker 5: I feel about it. There's a lot of people gonna
Speaker 5: acknowledge that now, and sometimes that's cool. You know, if
Speaker 5: a nigga want to say, under their breakfast behind closed doors, uh, nigga,
Speaker 5: you know, nigga was significant eight?
Speaker 1: Had you know this?
Speaker 5: Or you know I used to bang eight when I
Speaker 5: was in hard times or nigga when we used to
Speaker 5: do this and we was hood niggas and we used
Speaker 5: to put that tape on and roll through looking for
Speaker 5: whatever and not just on that type of tip. Just
Speaker 5: being able to tell stories and be a significant of
Speaker 5: uh uh pillar so to speak. You know, I'm just
Speaker 5: one brick on the motherfucking the house of hip hop,
Speaker 5: so to speak. You're getting me, but niggas need to
Speaker 5: know I'm I'm I'm a solid brick in that motherfucker
Speaker 5: and you can respect that. We ain't gotta like on music.
Speaker 5: You feel me, but you know recognized that I respect them.
Speaker 5: Respect the fact that a nigga is a significant brick
Speaker 5: in that motherfucking house, in that foundation.
Speaker 1: You know that's real. And you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask this question kind of for both of y'all, right,
Speaker 1: And I always wanted to ask you all this, like right,
Speaker 1: because you mentioned that you wanted the East coast, Spice,
Speaker 1: and you know you had running and see, you know,
Speaker 1: lessons wait for you at the airport just to shop
Speaker 1: it up with you. We're fanning. Your music surprised you
Speaker 1: the most. I'll let you go first, Spice, who fuck
Speaker 1: with your music? That really surprised you. And it was
Speaker 1: a few uh Jammie fox Man that that was that
Speaker 1: was treat. I had wrapped my uh my homeboy humbered
Speaker 1: with my album cover and we was riding to LA
Speaker 1: and you know it was it was it was a
Speaker 1: limbo pulled up behind us. Remember the remember the nico
Speaker 1: A the hotel. Okay, we pulled up right in front
Speaker 1: of that motherfucking man and limo pulled up behind us.
Speaker 1: To the limo driver hop out and he like, you know,
Speaker 1: his spikes one in this in this uh hu in
Speaker 1: his in his in his hummery is he in? He?
Speaker 1: Is he in there?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you know, I'll said, who was that?
Speaker 3: I said, ask him who in the limo? He said,
Speaker 3: Jamie Fox is in the limo.
Speaker 1: Ship. So I'm like, man, get the fuck out of
Speaker 1: end up. Damn Jamie Fox and the limo and and
Speaker 1: so so I hopped out the passenger side, off the
Speaker 1: back passenger seat, you know, and sure enough Jamie hopped
Speaker 1: out a suit on and all playing in the motherfucking
Speaker 1: He spiked, I'm like, oh ship, you know, like what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Like, okay, what's up? What's up? And we
Speaker 1: took him a pitch and chopped it up for a minute,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, he told me to listen
Speaker 1: to my music. He knew what it was and ship
Speaker 1: and that was that that type of ship is just
Speaker 1: enough for me to you know, any motherfucker who act
Speaker 1: like they don't know who a nigga is. I don't
Speaker 1: you know, I ain't tripping nigga Jenniy Fox though who
Speaker 1: I am? You know what I'm saying, Crazy Ship? Who else?
Speaker 1: Who else fucked you up?
Speaker 6: Uh? Uh?
Speaker 1: Mike Epps? Uh you know? Uh?
Speaker 4: He was?
Speaker 1: I think, well it was on two occasions. He was
Speaker 1: out here, uh in in Vegas, you know, and he
Speaker 1: was with some of my guys from from North Richmond,
Speaker 1: uh you know, and you know about the North Frischman took.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely seemed like he beat up on Shipping though.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He saw that, Mike, that's the only Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was a real dude, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He was richman niggas out here in in Vegas. And
Speaker 1: they called me like like maybe four five in the morning, like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, we got Mike Epps over here. He he
Speaker 1: passed out and he told us he fu he fucked
Speaker 1: with you, you know what I'm saying, And we told
Speaker 1: me we knew you, and he don't believe it. He
Speaker 1: wants you to us to hit you up, but he
Speaker 1: passed out before you know, we can get a touch
Speaker 1: with you. And I said, man, you know, come get
Speaker 1: you know, so they came and copped me and Kane
Speaker 1: swrew me up. Man, I go to the to the
Speaker 1: uh to they had a hotel, uh and uh sure enough,
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Epps was in there. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was out, and so I woke him
Speaker 1: up like uh like uh like methan man walk a
Speaker 1: red man on on the on Uh how high? How high?
Speaker 1: You know? I just turned on I turned on one
Speaker 1: a cereproof and I had one lit up, and I'm
Speaker 1: like pulling on the corner with him. You know, he
Speaker 1: woke up to me, you know, speaking one a cereroproof
Speaker 1: with the blood Parado tore up here like like oh
Speaker 1: shit me like spice bud, they got told him aout
Speaker 1: th huh. You know you know that that's just that
Speaker 1: was some of the coolest ship I could ever encounted,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So shout out. I'm like
Speaker 1: that man, real dudes, you know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: sounded like a hell of a motherfucker dream right there.
Speaker 1: He probably woke up like what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: Can you made your story? You're sleeping? You wake up?
Speaker 1: The spike's gotta blood me. I didn't give that proved
Speaker 1: at the crack shot. Hey, who fucked you up under
Speaker 1: Britney Spears.
Speaker 5: Who fucked me up was the regular motherfucker who hit
Speaker 5: my d M today and told me he was banging
Speaker 5: on my new record.
Speaker 1: That's what fucks me up. That's what I appreciate. That's
Speaker 1: that's definitely something you can appreciate.
Speaker 5: I appreciate a regular ass motherfucker who can steal, a
Speaker 5: regular motherfucker who's in my age bracket, who can steal, turn.
Speaker 1: On some new ship and go, man, I was just
Speaker 1: banging this ship earlier. Or niggas who reminisce about you know,
Speaker 1: past songs. You know, I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: You get me and then you know, you can get
Speaker 5: on shit like Instagram now and see Lebron James in
Speaker 5: the back of his you know way on the way
Speaker 5: to the game bumping some straight up minutes.
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean eating all the words and ship.
Speaker 5: You know, you you Cleveland niggas, man, You know y'all
Speaker 5: gotta get the words down, man. But I appreciate my
Speaker 5: nigga because my nigga appreciates real uh.
Speaker 1: My nigga appreciate some real motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Hip hop you give me, and not to just be
Speaker 5: not to just be on some commercialized shit, because you know,
Speaker 5: when it comes to Lebron, they expect him to listen
Speaker 5: to some drake or something, you know, some you know,
Speaker 5: if you know those those people, you know, some Drake
Speaker 5: or some twenty one or something. You know, they expect,
Speaker 5: you know, Lebron to listen to them cats. But you know,
Speaker 5: to see him uh in the back of his ride
Speaker 5: on the way to the game and uh banging some
Speaker 5: straight up minutes and when trying to mimic the words
Speaker 5: man that that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well you know I got this today. Man.
Speaker 1: I try to tell Ada on his d young but
Speaker 1: he has a responder. But let him know that his
Speaker 1: last album listen To is a real dope, gid pop album.
Speaker 1: It's actually one of me and my girl favorite albums
Speaker 1: this year. And this is dude named Brayland d some
Speaker 1: shout out Brady, Yeah good, good shout out Gray. Look
Speaker 1: like I said, average people, man, that's what that's what
Speaker 1: that's what's that's what's cracking.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: That's cool as hell. And I think that's why and
Speaker 1: I think that's why thirty years later, man, y'all still
Speaker 1: doing shows, still got people, man that love what it
Speaker 1: is that y'all do because it's all about the common man.
Speaker 1: Y'all made y'all, y'all were able to make a connection
Speaker 1: with the common man. Nothing y'all. I see this Saturday, nigga,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're gonna turn up you already talking on
Speaker 1: aisle right, yeah, miss the Minister society too. Yeah, only
Speaker 1: Tira gonna be out there. You know, timing is funny
Speaker 1: because he always called me know time and talk. He said, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: still they put.
Speaker 5: They put one eighty seven on the bill too, so
Speaker 5: you know it's all crying when they seven. I need
Speaker 5: to hear cold up. I need to hear him out
Speaker 5: to get what it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be a gangster perny man soon it's all good man,
Speaker 1: So shure you know what it is. This episode of
Speaker 1: Man is gonna drop on Thanksgiving, Man, So we want
Speaker 1: to wish everybody out there man a happy Thanksgiving. Man.
Speaker 5: Won't your cook in eight ain't cooking? Ship, nigga eat
Speaker 5: and I ain't cooking.
Speaker 1: They gonna be over eating shiplins and smoking him a
Speaker 1: blunt man.
Speaker 5: Well do that ship. We do not mess with porky
Speaker 5: pig man. I don't fuck with no chiplins either. I
Speaker 5: used to like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Hey, I ain't. I ain't too hot on the child.
Speaker 1: I ain't looking for them. This year, I'll probably be
Speaker 1: doing this. We're gonna find your say have a say
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving man, and we see y'all on the flip man.
Speaker 1: That's what it do. Well. That concludes another episode of
Speaker 1: the Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the
Speaker 1: iHeart app and subscribe to The Gangst Chronicles podcast for
Speaker 1: Apple users, find a purple micae on the front of
Speaker 1: your screen, subscribe to the show, leave a comment and rating.
Speaker 1: Executive producers for The Gangster Chronicles podcasts of Norman Steel
Speaker 1: Aaron M. C a. Tyler. Our visual media director is
Speaker 1: Brian Wyatt, and the audio editors tell It Hayes. The
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles is a production of iHeartMedia Network and The
Speaker 1: Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio,
Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app Apple podcasts wherever you're listening
Speaker 1: to your podcasts