1 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wike AF Daily with 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, still recording from San Francisco 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: as Amicron takes control over New York and the country 4 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: for that matter, folks, I want to start off by 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: talking about, yes, the pandemic that we are not over 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: yet and actually are experiencing our fourth wave. You know, 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me sometimes when I have the 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to be watching what is happening across the country 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: when I'm not usually at home right and so right now, 10 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: I am in um. I am in a place where 11 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: I came to San Francisco for a retreat. Everyone is 12 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: testing every single day to make sure that we are 13 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: all safe and we can be together. What is a 14 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: parent right now about Omicron is that it is Hella 15 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: Hella contagious. It is making Alpha look like, oh, I 16 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: don't know, the Christmas fairy. It is incredible how fast 17 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: this is spreading. There are countless people that I know 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: who have been vaccinated, who have been boosted, who have 19 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: now been infected. And what I will say about this 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: is that my hope is that the death toll does 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: not begin to skyrocket. But we also have to understand 22 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: that twenty five percent of the fucking population still is 23 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: not vaccinated, and so if they are not vaccinated, right 24 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: and we have more virus that is in the air 25 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: that is spreading faster than we had ever seen before. 26 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, what do we think is going to happen? 27 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: How far down in the Greek alphabet are we looking 28 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: to get? And right now I look at the news 29 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: and I'm seeing lines at city mds, at health centers 30 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: in New York that are wrapped around the corner. And 31 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm having PTSD from twenty twenty when I was standing 32 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: out in line for six hours in order to get tested. 33 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: It's insane. What is happening right now? There is a 34 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: lack of home testing kits, right, So that's number one. 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: That's something that we've never seen in mass production at 36 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: this particular point. Right now, we are the Governor of 37 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: New York is as saying that these health clinics need 38 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: to stay open for longer hours to make up now 39 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: for the demand that we are seeing once again. And 40 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: it is incredibly troubling. I cannot, folks, for the life 41 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: of me, wrap my mind and try and make sense 42 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: of the fact that if the right measures had been 43 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: taken from the jump. If we had encouraged people to 44 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: take care of themselves, to wear masks, to social distance 45 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: as a patriotic act, as a neighborly act, if you 46 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: are a religious person, as a religious act, like whatever 47 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: the fuck it was that we needed to do, that 48 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: the Trump administration needed to do as opposed to lying 49 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: to the public, as opposed to telling them that it 50 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: was a hoax and continuing to do so. I would 51 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: need to read you this thing. I pulled it up, 52 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you, I'm just so fucking sick 53 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: and tired of Republicans, of this white supremacist party, of 54 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: these anti fucking vaxers, of the fact that the FCC 55 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: won't shut down Fox News for spreading misinformation and causing 56 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: mass death, Like I'm just so tired of it. But 57 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy Junior, one of the biggest fucking anti 58 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: vaccine conspiracy theorists, who of course is a fucking grifter right, 59 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: has an anti vaccine group called Children's Health Defense, which, 60 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: by the way, according to the Politico, doubled its revenue 61 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty to six point eight million dollars. Listen 62 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: to this piece of shit. He was having a holiday 63 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: party at his home in California, and this anti vaxer 64 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: sends out a virtual invite that ask people his guests 65 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: coming in to either get tested or get vaccinated. So 66 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: it's okay, right to make sure that his little circle 67 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: of friends is safe and good to come and spend 68 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: spread holiday cheer and not COVID at his home. But 69 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: when he has a microphone in front of him, when 70 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: he is on any news station, he says the complete 71 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: and total opposite, And of course, when called out on 72 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: his hypocrisy, he of course blames it on his wife 73 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: and says, oh, I guess I'm always the boss at 74 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: my own house, you asshole. When are these people going 75 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: to ever be held accountable for the fact that they've 76 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: caused over eight hundred thousand deaths? And yes, I'm saying 77 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: that they have caused over eight hundred thousand deaths because 78 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: as if millions of Americans weren't under the hypnotism of 79 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: Fox News and the right wing, then we wouldn't have 80 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: this pro this pro COVID movement right there wouldn't be 81 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: people saying that it's my liberty to spread disease right 82 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: in the same way. It's just I, folks, I'm outdone, 83 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: and I'm outdone because I'm watching friends of mine right 84 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: contract COVID who have done all of the right things. 85 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: But because now we have a variant that is evading vaccines, 86 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: we have a variant that is aggressive. Now. It may 87 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: not be aggressive as of right now in terms of 88 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: the symptoms that you are getting because you are vaccinated 89 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 1: and boosted, but that doesn't mean that it's not going 90 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: to mutate, because, as I keep saying, and as we 91 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: keep learning through the doctors that we have on bokay 92 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: f that that's what viruses do, and that the more 93 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: virus that is in the air, the more likely that 94 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: it will mutate. Right. I just want people to be 95 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: held responsible when they commit crimes. That's it. I want 96 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: them to be held responsible when it is crimes against 97 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: the nation the way I want. I want us to 98 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: handle white men the same way we do every other 99 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: fucking race, particularly black people, who are fucking innocent, who 100 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: are just trying to exist on this planet, in this country, 101 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: and who are not afforded the right to do so. 102 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: But these people, these arch villains, who are responsible for 103 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: spreading lines that have literally cost people their lives. Nothing 104 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: is happening to them, So why wouldn't they stop? Why 105 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: would they stop? They're able to grift off of it, 106 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,119 Speaker 1: They're able to get fame off of it. What would 107 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: compel them to do anything? Why? Like, in the most 108 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: litigious society, why the fuck aren't these people being sued? 109 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: This is the question that I keep asking every single 110 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: day with no answer. You know, later in the show, 111 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner rejoins us after being absent for a week 112 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: or so, And you know, I got to tell you 113 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: that Glenn over damn near now the past two years 114 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: has really been a beacon and a voice for justice 115 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: and hope. And Glenn, you will be able to hear 116 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: the frustration, the exasperation in his voice right as he 117 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: is like, I do not know what my former colleagues 118 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: at the Department of Justice are doing. I do not know. 119 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: He's like, I want to have blind faith right that 120 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: they are organizing and getting ready to do the right thing. 121 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: But folks, we've been sitting around for almost a year. 122 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: We are coming up on the year anniversary of the insurrection, 123 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: and there are only a handful of people that are 124 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: in jail right now, only a handful of people that 125 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: are in jail for a collection of a couple of 126 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: years for trying to overthrow the government. But those that 127 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: were the architects, the masterminds that created the blueprints and 128 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: the text chains and did all of the work, created 129 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: war rooms. They're selling books, they're selling shows, they're getting 130 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: anointed by CNN to take plumb positions. So tell me 131 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: again how it is that we're a nation that tells 132 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: little kids as we're raising them, be good, right, do 133 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: the right thing for what? Because in this country you're 134 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: rewarded for being bad. And the more that we see 135 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: that happen, the more that we see bad people be 136 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: rewarded and get to continually move up for doing the 137 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: wrong things right, then why would anybody else decide to 138 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: do the right thing? What? Just to pack themselves on 139 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: the back. You're not rewarded in this country for following 140 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: the rules. You're not rewarded for uplifting the constitution. You're 141 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: not celebrated for wanting to create more equity and justice. No, 142 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: you get a target on your back. You have colleagues 143 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: in Congress trying to literally kill each other, not each other. 144 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Excuse me, Republicans in Congress, bragging and putting targets on 145 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: the backs of their Democratic colleagues because they don't like 146 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: their religion, they don't like their complexion, they don't like 147 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: their melanin. You know, I'll ask Glenn, which is this? 148 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: The fact is that you have Runda Santis, who everyone 149 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: wants to kind of shrug off, and I call him 150 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: death Santis. But it's not because I'm being dismissed above him. 151 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: It's because I I think that the man is a murderer. 152 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: Be of Ronda santists, who a couple of weeks ago 153 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: talked about wanting to create his own militia. You have 154 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: hundreds of electors that have been removed around the country 155 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: and replaced with Trumpers. You have secretaries of states right 156 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: that have been removed or their teeth have been taken 157 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: out because their politics don't aligned with Trumpism. These people 158 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: are waging a war, and Ronda Santis, to me, is 159 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: one of the most dangerous because he is smarter than 160 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. He is a lot more politically savvy than 161 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was, and the moves that he is making 162 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: are going to be copycatted by other red state governors. 163 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: So to me, what he is saying out loud. And 164 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: what I said last week is that Rhonda Santis is 165 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: preparing for war and he is signaling to his buddies 166 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: what it is that they need to do. And you 167 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: know Glenn will say, well, I don't know if he'll 168 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: be able to do it. Well, why not If Rhonda 169 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: Santis decided to say that I want a volunteer Florida militia, 170 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: we will do training, you will get some type of badge. Honestly, 171 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: what is to stop him? Because let me tell you something, 172 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, in my humble opinion, is asleep at 173 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: the fucking wheel. I have seen na'er a press conference, 174 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: na'er an oval office meeting that is about the urgency 175 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: of the preservation of our democracy. We have seen nothing 176 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: come out of any real leaders in that administration that 177 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: are telling us that they are taking the threats that 178 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: are being waged publicly and vocally seriously. We don't even 179 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: hear the media following up and asking the right questions. 180 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Mister President. Governor DeSantis says that he wants to create 181 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: his own militia. What do you think about that? What 182 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: is your response to that? It is not enough to 183 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: continue to shrug these people off. It is not enough 184 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,479 Speaker 1: for us to pretend that they are not as dangerous 185 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: as they are. And the more time that passes, and 186 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: the farther that we are from the insurrection and no 187 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: one behind it is in jail, the less likely we 188 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: are to have faith in our institutions, the less likely 189 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: that we are to show up for the next selection. 190 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: And Glenn said something that really has made me concerned 191 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: as I'm letting it marinate. He said that twenty twenty 192 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: two will be a less fair and a less free election, 193 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: and if we do nothing in twenty twenty two, then 194 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four will just be a performance. Let that 195 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: sit with you. We are still at a moment in 196 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: time that is fleeting. The window is closing where we 197 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: are able to reverse what has been done to repair 198 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: the damage that has been created, to hold those accountable 199 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: for trying to undermine and destroy our democracy. But we 200 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: are running out of time. And the fact is is 201 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: that there is no one that is raising the alarm, 202 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: that is pulling up the red flags, that is sending 203 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: up flares to let the American people know that they 204 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: can continue on believing that their government has their back 205 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: and is protecting them that these agencies and these departments 206 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: aren't just for show. We have a virus that is 207 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: raging and is signaling a fourth wave. We have Republicans 208 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: that are wayward and running a muck over our country 209 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: and doing everything that they can to undermine it. We 210 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: have climate change that is raging out of control. This 211 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: is a perfect storm for destruction. I believe that if 212 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: we make it, historians decades from now will look at 213 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: pivotal moments that we have been talking about on WOGAYF 214 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: and say, why didn't they react when they saw the 215 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: first signs? Why didn't they allow history to be their guide? 216 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: Why was everybody caught off guard when they knew what 217 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: was coming? And I feel like they're going to be 218 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: asking that question over the crumbling buildings and agencies in 219 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: this country. I don't know who America is going to 220 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: be in twenty twenty four. I don't know if it 221 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: will be America because what I am seeing is a 222 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: very rapid move to states rights and states operating as 223 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: their own fiefdoms, their own armies, their own little mini 224 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: presidents that are not united under anything. Republicans are united, 225 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: They're united under destruction and power by any means necessary. 226 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: Democrats can't get in line to pass the fucking human 227 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: Infrastructure Bill. Oh, we're switching gears now so that we 228 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: can focus on voting rights, which you should have never 229 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: switched gears away from. We are in trouble. The country 230 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: is under threat. Domestic terrorism is not just on the rise, 231 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: it is in our Congress, and the apathy and the 232 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: dismissiveness of this administration is going to be our ruin, Folks. 233 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: Coming up next is my conversation with our dear friend 234 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: MSNBC Legal Analysts and the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Folks. 235 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: I am very excited to be back with Glenn Kirshner, 236 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: MSNBC Legal Analysts and the host of Justice. This matter 237 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: is to break down the latest news regarding the insurrection 238 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: and the one six Commission and whether or not we're actually, 239 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: at some point in the near future coming up on 240 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: the year anniversary of the insurrection, going to see severe arrests, 241 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: going to see purple walks of the people who were 242 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: the masterminds, the architects behind the insurrection. Glenn, you know 243 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: the one six Commission has issued subpoenas they have requested 244 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: or voted on Mark Meadows being held in criminal contempt. 245 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: But again, the only people that we've seen get jumpsuits 246 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: on and guilty verdicts are the low level people that 247 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: broke into the Capitol building, beat up Capitol police and 248 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: DC Metropolitan Police. But none of the major voices and 249 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: architects behind this have been arrested. They were all walking 250 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: around Scott free. What are we waiting on? I don't 251 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: know what we're waiting on. It feels unfair, It feels 252 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: unjust that the low level foot soldiers of the insurrection 253 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: are being held accountable, sum are being imprisoned, and the 254 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: people who organize the insurrection organize the foot soldiers and 255 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: the folks who launched the attack by telling the foot 256 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: soldiers go down there, stop the certification, and if you 257 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: don't fight like hell, you won't have a country anymore. 258 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: They are walking around, as you say, scott free, and 259 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: it feels wrong. It feels unfair, it feels unjust, it 260 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: feels dangerous. So what are we waiting for? I can't 261 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: begin to understand what we're waiting for, other than I 262 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: do know as a former federal prosecutor, it takes a 263 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: long time to build a huge conspiracy case. But what 264 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: we ordinarily do, Danielle, is we try to protect the 265 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: safety of the community first by making early arrests, by 266 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: bringing early charges. And then once we have secured the community, 267 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: we begin to build in the grand jury. We return 268 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: superseding indictment, subsequent indictments where we add bigger charges, we 269 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: add more defendants. It ultimately culminates in the in the largest, 270 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: most significant criminal charge we can bring. In this case, 271 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: it might be a seditious conspiracy. It might be a 272 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit crimes against the United States. It might 273 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: be it might be a Rico conspiracy. You know, it's 274 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: beginning to look a lot like Rico this so I 275 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: know how much time that takes. But it all starts 276 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: with a first modest indictment. We haven't even seen them 277 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: first modest indictment of anybody other than Donald Trump's supporters 278 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: who were told by Donald Trump to go attack the Capitol. 279 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: That feels unfair, it feels unjust, and it feels dangerous. Okay, 280 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about Mark Meadow and the position that 281 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: he is in right now. So initially Donald Trump's chief 282 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: of staff, Mark Meadows, and by the way, he was 283 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: the fourth chief of staff right in the Trump administration 284 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: over four years. Mark Meadows originally was cooperating with the Commission, 285 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: provided thousands of documents, including all of the text messages 286 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: that have now begun to be public. Right. We saw 287 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: this week Laura Ingram and others pushing back and you know, 288 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: wanting to sue the Commission for the release of their 289 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: text messages because what we are now aware of the 290 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: fact that they are liars and hypocrites, right and are 291 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: endangering the public and knowingly doing so. Why then, do 292 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: you think that Meadows decided to make this pivot and 293 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: allow himself to be in a position where he is 294 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: going to be the first person since Watergate, right in 295 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: an administration that can be convicted. Right, I just don't 296 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: understand why you would start here, are all my documents 297 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: and now oh no, no, I'm not going to come 298 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: and testify. Yeah, I understand it, or I would explain 299 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: it this way. He is tissue paper week and all 300 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: he wants to do is sell books at this point, 301 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: and he needs Donald Trump's blessing or at least not 302 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: his condemnation to be able to sell books to the gullible, 303 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump's base, and when he angers Donald Trump 304 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: by beginning the process of cooperating with the House Select Committee, 305 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump erupts. What is Mark Meadows tissue paper? You know? 306 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: Week that he is? What does he do? He backs 307 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: up and he stops cooperating. He really he's more willing 308 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: to be criminally convicted and perhaps spend time in prison 309 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: than he is to alienate Donald Trump and apparently not 310 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: sell his book. That's what you know. You And it's 311 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: so funny, Danielle, because we struggle to try to make 312 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: sense this, and I feel the way I felt in 313 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: court for thirty years when I was prosecuting criminal cases. 314 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: The jury wanted to make sense of it, and I 315 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: would say, folks, please don't fall into the trap of 316 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: trying to make sense of the senseless, because it's not 317 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: going to make sense to you. It's not going to 318 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: make sense to us. And if we were required to 319 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: make sense of crime in order to convict people for 320 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: having committed crime, we would never convict anybody. So you 321 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: can't rationally explain a Mark Meadows, the behavior of a 322 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: Mark Meadows coming from a place where honesty, decency, integrity, 323 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: law abiding, this and a love of democracy motivates us 324 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: and drives us and informs our understanding of the world. 325 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: It doesn't inform Mark meadows understanding of the world or 326 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan's or Donald Trump. So we can't make sense 327 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: of it, you know. But here's the thing. What I'm 328 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: trying to make sense of is not the crimes that 329 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: they committed. I'm trying to make sense of why Department 330 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: of Justice, Why the FBI aren't the ones doing the investigation. 331 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: Why it is as our friend Ellie miss Stalad said, 332 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: you know on MSNBC the other day, you know, it 333 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: should have signaled to us when Joe Biden chose Merritt Garland, 334 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: he could have chosen anybody with a backbone with teeth 335 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: right that was going to go after not just the 336 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: low level folks that broke into the Capitol, but the 337 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: architects of the insurrection, those that drafted the blueprint that 338 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: created a war room. So what I'm trying to make 339 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: sense of, and I need your help with, is to 340 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: understand where the hell is the Justice Department. And we 341 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: can continue to tell ourselves that we think, oh well, 342 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: we would never really know if they were, you know, 343 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: doing the work. But at this point, the American people 344 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: have lost complete and total faith in our institutions and agencies. 345 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: And I think that having a signal, sending up a flare, 346 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: that would let us know that our Justice Department is 347 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: actually working to preserve, you know, the institution, not not 348 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: just in name only, but in the fact that no 349 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: one is about the law. Sending up a flare is 350 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: exactly what we need. First of all, I can't conceive 351 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: of living in a country. I can't conceive of a 352 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: Department of Justice that was my professional home for nearly 353 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: quarter of a century not investigating these crimes. I can't 354 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: accept that. Yes, I'm taking it on largely blind faith 355 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: that they are, but I believe they are because there's 356 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: so much criminal conduct in the harsh light of day 357 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: that's been committed by Trump and company. So but we 358 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: don't see any public manifestation of it. And more importantly, 359 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: they haven't sent up a flare. All they need to do, Danielle, 360 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 1: they could put Garland and Ray shoulder to shoulder, or 361 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: do it with somebody else, because neither of those two 362 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: men are the strongest communicators. I'm not making fun or 363 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: making light of them to say, folks, friends, citizens, Americans, 364 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: your Department of Justice saw what went on on January sixth, 365 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: just like you did with our own eyes. And we've 366 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: seen everything that went on before January sixth and what's 367 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: gone on after January sixth. Please understand that your Department 368 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 1: of Justice, the law firm for the American people, is 369 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: hard at work attacking and investigating all crimes, all crimes 370 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: that we have any hint have been committed. Please understand 371 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: it takes time, but we're on top of it. But Daniel, 372 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: I didn't disclose a single investigative effect. I didn't compromise 373 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: a single investigation. I did no damage to the integrity 374 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: of ongoing investigations. But I think America would feel better 375 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: if we knew that our Department of Justice took this seriously, 376 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: was working for us, and was not going to turn 377 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: a blind eye to the high politicians of this very 378 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: sad chapter in our nation's history. I mean, you know, Glenn, 379 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: you know I wanted to initially think that it was 380 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: a chapter. I'm beginning to think that it's a volume, right, 381 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm beginning to think that this is just volume one, 382 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: because as we move closer to twenty twenty two, and again, 383 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: only a handful of insurrectionists have been held accountable. And 384 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean again, these people broadcasted on their own social 385 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: media platforms right with glee, where they were and what 386 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: they did, and it took months and months and months 387 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: for those people to be picked up. I just I 388 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: don't understand what our Justice Department, what our intelligence agencies, 389 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: what they think that they what message that they are 390 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: sending to the American public. And you know, frankly, I 391 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: would be remiss if I didn't, if I didn't mention 392 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: right as people know that I believe that race has 393 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: everything to do with this race and power and privilege 394 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: have everything to do with why these people are still 395 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: walking around through free I mean we have okay, so 396 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: Phil Waldron right, it's subpoenaed. Now, this is big news. 397 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: So finally subpoena. But we knew that this man was, 398 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: wrote a thirty six page memo, wrote a slide deck, 399 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: put together a PowerPoint presentation from how long have we 400 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: known that? And he's just being subpoenaed now and we're 401 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: supposed to be what placated by that? And he did 402 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: this this power point on you know, how to coup 403 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: for fun and profit? He did it after Bill Barr 404 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's own attorney general said there was no fraud 405 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: undermining Joe Biden's win. He did it after Chris Krebbs 406 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: said this was the most secure election in US history. 407 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: The Department of Homeland Security issued a press release saying 408 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: the same thing, most secure and safe election in US history. 409 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: And yet the Phil Waldron's and the Jim Jordan's basically 410 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: ignored all of that, and in a very real sense, 411 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: excuse me, but they said, f the vo they don't count, 412 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: they don't matter, we don't care. We're going to corruptly 413 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: install Donald Trump for a second term. I don't understand 414 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: how these people haven't been charged. It erodes confidence in 415 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: our institutions. It erodes any respect for the rule of 416 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: law that people might have. To see these folks prancing 417 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: around out there giving talks and lectures and presentations, and 418 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump potentially recruiting a new batch of foot soldiers 419 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: for the next insurrection. It's doing real damage to our 420 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: democracy every day. And you know, I again can't conceive 421 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: of us not criminally investigating this and not criminally indicting 422 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: these folks, because if we don't, we're done. If we don't, 423 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump will announce in his campaign for twenty twenty four. 424 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: Let's be clear, the Department of Justice co signed everything 425 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: I did, stamped everything I did with its stamp of approval. 426 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: Because you know what, if I had committed crimes, the 427 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: Department Justice have charged me, and then we're done. Then 428 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: we're done. Twenty twenty four is the last presidential election 429 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: will ever have because whether Donald Trump wins or loses, 430 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: he'll lose both the popular and the electoral College vote, 431 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: but he will declare himself the winner. And this time 432 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: there's no recovering from that. You know, Glenn, I have 433 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: to ask this, how much confidence, honestly do you have 434 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: that our last free and fair election was in twenty 435 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: twenty right, Because you know, as as I'm thinking, and 436 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: we're getting ready to prepare for the midterm election season, 437 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: whatever we've seen. We have, you know, hundreds of federal 438 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: judges that were appointed by Mitch McConnell. We have a 439 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: Republican Party that has cleaned house as it pertains to 440 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: their secretaries of States, as it pertains to their electoral boards, 441 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: as their electors, we have seen them replaced with Trumpers. Right, 442 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: so we already know. I mean this is I continue 443 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: to say that one six was the warm up. It 444 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: was Act one right. Act two is mid term elections, 445 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: which again we are still waiting on Congress, waiting on 446 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: this administration to put forth any type of serious voting 447 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: rights legislation, which we know isn't going to pass, not 448 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: because of Republican opposition, but because of opposition within their 449 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: own ranks. And so how is it that we're supposed 450 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: to believe that at this late date that action, serious 451 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: action is going to be taken by these agencies to 452 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: ensure that twenty twenty wasn't our last free and fair election. 453 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: So I will say, in my opinion, twenty twenty two 454 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: the midterms will be less free end fare than were 455 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty elections. And if we don't seriously reverse course, 456 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four will be a show election because the 457 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: vote won't matter, not the popular vote, not the electoral 458 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 1: College count. It won't matter if we don't remedy this 459 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: now and attack the state legislation that is not only 460 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: suppressing the vote but is putting the ability to change 461 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: the electors in the hands of Republican state legislatures and 462 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: legislators and election officials. Even if the Democrat wins the 463 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: popular vote running away. The states are passing laws saying, well, 464 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: you know what, if we don't like the way it looks, 465 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: if it smells funny, We're just going to appoint our 466 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: own electors, send them to Washington to cast votes for 467 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: the Republican period. So I don't know that we've seen 468 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: the last free and fair election, but I think twenty 469 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: twenty two will be less free and fair than was 470 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. You know, I want to ask you this 471 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: because I feel like these two things are very connected, 472 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: and while the media continues to, you know, make light 473 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: of it or make jokes. Ron de Santis, governor in Florida. 474 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I'm losing time in this 475 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: wormhole that we're living in. But a couple of weeks ago, 476 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: he decided in a press conference to say that he 477 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: wanted to create his own essentially community army right the 478 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: Florida State whatever army, that he alone would control, that 479 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: he alone, that they would have no oversight from the 480 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: federal government, from the President, from the actual army, right 481 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: from the Pentagon. He declared that in full in full 482 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: view of everyone, and everybody's been shrugging their shoulders. Ronda 483 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: Santis is down in Florida, instituting laws, rolling out things 484 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: as if he is the president, not the governor of Florida. 485 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: Why do you think that we are not trying to 486 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: connect these dots, that what is happening on the electoral front, 487 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: what is being said out in public with regard to 488 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: the creation of my own private army, that this isn't 489 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: going to be a copy. We're not going to see 490 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: this copycatted, right, Like, I don't just think that this 491 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: is about elections. I think that it is about more. 492 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: Am I am I being hyperbolic? Am I am I 493 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: looking for more trouble than what exists? You know? Um, yeah, 494 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: if you can't join them, beat them, and if elections 495 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: suppression and you know, the sort of corrupt endeavor to 496 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: throw out the true electors in favor of the bogus 497 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: electors doesn't work. What I saw DeSantis's move to you know, 498 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: have his own private army to be was like the 499 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: first step on the road to secessions. That's how I 500 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: read that. And if you can't join them, beat them, 501 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: And if we can't win by cheating and lying and 502 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: stealing elections, we'll take our ball and go home and 503 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: guess what, I have my own Florida Army. So y'all 504 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: better not come down to the Sunshine State because we 505 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: will kick your butt. That's the way I see De 506 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: Santis's move. I don't know whether it has any hope 507 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: of succeeding actually creating a Florida Army. I hope it doesn't, 508 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: but it feels like something even worse and more ominous. 509 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: Ten voter suppression, if if that's imaginable, because everybody says 510 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: voting as foundational, and if we don't have voting, we 511 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: have nothing else. So we better get to work. We 512 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: better connect the dots. Glenn, you know, final question for 513 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: you today. If you were the attorney general, as our 514 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: as our friend, as our an elements still enjoyed, some 515 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: white Vans said on MSNBC, you could have picked anybody. 516 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: You could have picked actual patriots and fighters. Your name 517 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: was among those that were listed, and I, my goodness, 518 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: I would sleep better at night if I could essentially 519 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: uh copy you and put you in every state, put 520 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: you in every place overseeing our our justice department. If 521 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: it was up to you, what would the steps be 522 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: that you would take over the next couple as we're 523 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: moving towards this anniversary to ensure aside from the press conference, 524 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: but what with the evidence that is in front of 525 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: us that we know, what would what would you do? 526 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: What would what would be happening? So first of all, um, yeah, 527 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: in no rational universe will I be Attorney general given 528 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: the way I run my mouth, because I'm going to 529 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: speak the truth. Political consequences be damned. I don't care, 530 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: which is why I'll never get elected and they'll never 531 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: run for office. But the first thing I would have 532 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: done was used Volume two of the Muller Report to 533 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: apply for an arrestoirant for Donald Trump for as many 534 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: as ten federal felony obstruction of justice crimes. Because you 535 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: don't let that slide. You just don't let that slide, 536 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: because when you do, you slide right into January sixth. 537 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: What I would be doing right now is I would 538 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: be going gangbusters with you know, and I have to say, Danielle, 539 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: the people down at the DCUs Attorney's office or investigating 540 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: the insurrection, those are my friends, my former colleagues. I 541 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: tried homicide cases with some of them, I supervised many 542 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: of them. They're good people. They're doing the right thing. 543 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: Maybe not quickly enough, maybe not reaching high enough in 544 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: the criminal organization, and yet but they're doing the right 545 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: thing as best they can in my opinion. But I 546 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: would be going gangbusters in a way that frankly, if 547 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: it became public, all the better. I would be putting 548 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: everybody before the grand jury. Everybody before the grand jury, 549 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: and if they wanted to invoke they could invoke their 550 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. Then I would decide 551 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: whether to grant them immunity or not. And there's a 552 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: calculation that goes into it. If you think you can 553 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: get some truth out of them, you grant them immunity. 554 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: Like Jeffrey Clark, what did Donald Trump tell you when 555 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: he was trying to corruptly install you as attorney general 556 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 1: to have you weaponize the Department of Justice and use 557 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: it as a tool to nullify the votes in the 558 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: sixth battleground states? Like that letter you wrote to the 559 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: Georgia's state election officials? What did Donald Trump say to you? 560 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: And if Jeffrey Clark wanted to invoke his Fifth I 561 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: would probably consider immunizing him and trying to compel the 562 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: truth out of him. Roger Stone, he invokes the Fifth 563 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm moving on because you're a stone cold clown. I 564 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: guess there's a pun in there, because you've already been 565 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: convicted of seven federal felonies obstruction of a congressional preceding 566 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: five counts of lying to Congress and one of witness tampering. 567 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm not getting any truth out of Roger Stone if 568 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: I immunize him. So you make thoughtful principal decisions. But 569 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: Danielle Man, they would be lined up around the block 570 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: at the Federal courthouse waiting for their turn to go 571 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: into the grand jury, and the minute we had probable 572 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: cause to begin returning indictments based on what the grand 573 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: jury heard, Boom boom boom, You're indicted, one after another. 574 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: Line them up. We're going to do it honestly, fairly, independently, 575 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: and ethically. But you're all getting indicted for your crimes 576 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: against the United States. That's how I would operate. Is 577 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: there any I mean, just Devil's advocate, which I don't 578 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: ever like to play. Is there any reasonable path that 579 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: this Department of Justice is saying we're waiting for this, 580 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: that we don't want to move quickly. We don't we're 581 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: not ready yet. But this is, but we have really 582 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: good reason for dragging our feet for an entire year. 583 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: You know, the federal prosecutorial practice is a very slow 584 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: measured practice because unlike the prosecutors in the fifty States, 585 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: where when a crime is committed, they make an arrest 586 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: and they're on the clock and they move out, in 587 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: the federal system, that's not how we operate because we 588 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of arrests generated federal cases. We 589 00:39:53,320 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: investigate sometimes too long, sometimes add nauseum, sometimes forever, and 590 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 1: then if we decide we have enough to bring a charge, 591 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: you know what we typically do. We try to wrap 592 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: it up with a pre indictment plea offer, so we 593 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: never end up on the court clock. We control everything. 594 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: If the case is not sufficiently strong, it's not to 595 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: our liking. And there are some prosecutors, federal prosecutors who 596 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: have a real aversion, maybe even an allergy to running 597 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: the risk of losing the trial. God forbid, then we 598 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: don't bring a charge at all, and that I think 599 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: does a disservice to the American people. I've been preaching 600 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: this for as long as I was a federal prosecutor, 601 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: and even since I've retired, so it's such a different 602 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: mindset that unfortunately, even though our democracy is on fire, 603 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: they are operating the way the federal prosecutorial practice ordinarily operates. 604 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: They're taking their sweet old time. And I wish they 605 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: would have the same sense of urgency that hundreds of 606 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: millions of Americans every day, because we're living this anxiety 607 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: and this desperation and this unquenchable thirst for justice. And 608 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, DJ is just not offering us a drink 609 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: at this point. Do you think that Merrick Garland should 610 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: be replaced? No, you don't, not yet, not yet. And 611 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: I think Danielle I struggle every day regarding where I 612 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,240 Speaker 1: should draw the line in the justice sand. But you know, listen, 613 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: right now, the House Select Committee is doing bang up work. 614 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: Liz Chaney is talking like a prosecutor. She's using the 615 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: precise language of the federal statue eighteen Usc. Fifteen twelve 616 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 1: that prohibits interfering or obstructing or impeding an official proceeding. 617 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: That's a charge that's being brought successfully against the insurrectionists, 618 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: the foot soldiers. She's using that precise language to describe 619 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: the evidence that they're collecting of what Donald Trump did 620 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: and arguably continues to do. So. They are absolutely, in 621 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: my opinion, going to make criminal referrals for all of 622 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: the crimes they develop evidence of. I don't think that's 623 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: what the Justice Department is waiting for. I think unfortunately, 624 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: they are so cautious in the way they investigate and 625 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: indict crimes. And this is the biggest crime potentially in 626 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: the history of our nation, a conspiracy to overthrow our 627 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: government led by the President and all of his lackeys. 628 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 1: It doesn't get any bigger than that. So I think 629 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland and the leadership at the Department of Justice 630 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: wants to get it not just right, but they want 631 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: to get it perfect. But sometimes the perfect is the 632 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 1: enemy of the good. And that is my fear, because 633 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: when the evidence is good enough, when you've got probable cause, 634 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: you need to move out. You need to protect the community. 635 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: You need to reassure the American people that you know, 636 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: we're on top of this. You know, well, we will 637 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: continue to watch, will continue to be in conversation with you, Glenn, 638 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: because you know, I got to tell you as the 639 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: as the time moves and we get closer to that anniversary, 640 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: I'm worried. I don't know if there is an anniversary 641 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: special that is being planned by Donald Trump and company 642 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: that we're not paying attention to, that we're going to 643 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: be caught off guard with. But I am I am 644 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: desperately worried that if action is not taken, more more 645 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: violence like we have never seen before is going to 646 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: break out in this country. We do have to worry 647 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: about how how Donald Trump will celebrate the one year 648 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: anniversary of his attack on our democracy by people that 649 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: he said quote, I love we love you. Remember that 650 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,720 Speaker 1: was the statement he made to them as they were 651 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: attempting to kill police officers and hunting down president elected 652 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 1: public officials. We love you. So yeah, I worry about 653 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: how Donald Trump plans to celebrate the anniversary of his 654 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: attack on democracy. Oh my goodness, Well, we'll keep our 655 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: eyes and ears open. Glenn Kirshner, as always, thank you 656 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: so much for making the time to try and make 657 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 1: sense of what does not make sense in this country 658 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,240 Speaker 1: and our democracy right now. We appreciate you. My pleasure, Daniell, 659 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: I'll see you next week, God willing. That is it 660 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: for me today. Folks on woke a f as always, 661 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,240 Speaker 1: Power to the people and to all the people. Power 662 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fun and safe as fun. 663 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,760 Speaker 1: See you tomorrow.