WEBVTT - 79: Vanilla Skies Wide Shut

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Night Call, a production of My Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>It's two AM at the Sonata Cafe and you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>tonight Call. Hello everybody, and welcome Tonight Call, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lambert

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<v Speaker 1>and with me as always are Test. It's never happened before.

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<v Speaker 1>The equilium is all up. Okay, it's Emily Oshida. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Test Lynch. We're still ourselves. We're here, We're I just

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<v Speaker 1>want people to see that it's not all choreographed all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. It's usually so polished. Yeah, but we want

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<v Speaker 1>to that's the power of editing. Um. One and a

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<v Speaker 1>half of us are under the weather right now, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, Um, so we might we might be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit on on sick time. I am the holy

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<v Speaker 1>sick person. I'm the point five. Molly's the point five.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so healthy and amazing, right, I think it might

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<v Speaker 1>be a point to five at this point. So I

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<v Speaker 1>will give you my energy. Um. But it's good to

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<v Speaker 1>be loopy because we're going to talk about eyes wide

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<v Speaker 1>shut today later in the show. The fans have been

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<v Speaker 1>demanding that we devote an entire episode of the show

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<v Speaker 1>to eyes watch shut and we're going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>and the fans. First, we wanted to apologize for the

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<v Speaker 1>delay on our newsletter and Mix this week, which we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to blame entirely on the sickness. But whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely was not me. It wasn't what I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about me. I was talking about me. I blame

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<v Speaker 1>myself for not doing the mix of Society. Look at

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<v Speaker 1>That's the that's the one thing that's kind of going away, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>in process right now. That really gives though. If you

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<v Speaker 1>Uh spoiler alert there spooky the speak them for October.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of spooky things and October. A lot of scary

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<v Speaker 1>movies coming out lately, a lot of twisted and twisted movies. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we aren't talking about Joker. This is our public service

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<v Speaker 1>announcement that we are not talking about this week. No no,

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<v Speaker 1>no dot dot dot this week, this week, not never,

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<v Speaker 1>this week. We're talking about a problem hopefully next week. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all planning to fly to Russia to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't think Russia right now. I think

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<v Speaker 1>somebody promised us they might know a Russian caravan that

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<v Speaker 1>will show us the film. Now we're going to incriminate

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else. And no, no, no, we're going to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bermuda Triangle. I was saying, if we get in trouble

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<v Speaker 1>for saying we're going to pirate Joker, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>great publicity for this podcast. So actually, everybody like tweet

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that we're pirating we're gonna pirate Joker

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to pay for it and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go see it in a theater at

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<v Speaker 1>the m p a A with But we're not We're

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<v Speaker 1>not quite waiting fully waste deep into the Joker discourse

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<v Speaker 1>yet because we have too much to say, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm telling you were already sick enough. I did

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<v Speaker 1>stick in the mind, but I did to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some tweets that I saw last night, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was wondering if anything would happen at the Joker screenings,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously it was almost like a marketing tool the

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<v Speaker 1>way they were being like watch out like horror movies

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<v Speaker 1>or people faint, but it's like watch out, you might

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<v Speaker 1>get shot into the movie theater l O L. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know it worked on me, to be honest. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like to make you want to see to make you

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<v Speaker 1>never want to want to see it, maybe not want

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<v Speaker 1>to see it's it's way less the Todd Phillips. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I already didn't want to see it, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, maybe I'll see it for the laws,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, no, I don't even want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that for free, for fabe, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna pay for another movie at least such as well.

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<v Speaker 1>This brings us to our friend Amy Twitter friend Amy

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<v Speaker 1>friend of the pod uh whose Twitter name is aimed

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<v Speaker 1>for the throat said last night that she went to

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<v Speaker 1>go see Judy. She tried to go see Judy, the

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<v Speaker 1>Judy Garland biopic star Renise solid Choice, and these are

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<v Speaker 1>Amy's tweets for last sight. When you think you're seeing Judy,

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<v Speaker 1>but your sleep addled brain got the showtime's wrong and

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<v Speaker 1>Joker is the only thing still playing at ten, so

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<v Speaker 1>you resign yourself to it. And the night ends with

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen people getting arrested for fighting in the theater. People

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<v Speaker 1>demanded follow up, and she said, at first, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Todd Phillips found a way to punish me

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<v Speaker 1>for making a welcome to my Twisted Mind quip twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes into the runtime. My god, so here the tweets. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy sitting directly to my right got in a

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<v Speaker 1>yelling match with some dude who was sitting a few

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<v Speaker 1>seats over. Security guards and body armor and headlights come

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<v Speaker 1>in and haul out one of them. The one on

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<v Speaker 1>my right was very testosterony and it made me nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>A body armored guard rushes back in, hauls out the

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<v Speaker 1>woman who was with the guy they took out. The

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<v Speaker 1>movie ends, I asked the security guard at the door.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened? He said, Oh, that guy was drunk, loud

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<v Speaker 1>and vaping. The real party happened in the other screen,

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<v Speaker 1>playing Joker. Thirteen people were arrested. I think he's fucking

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<v Speaker 1>with me. Nope, thirteen people were violently fighting and breaking

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<v Speaker 1>bottles on each other. They sent in a dozen squad

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<v Speaker 1>cars and handcuffed them on the theater floor. The screening

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone was arrested and started fifteen minutes earlier than mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the later show just so I could

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<v Speaker 1>buy a slushy, and then a baby Mountain Lion ran

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<v Speaker 1>in front of my car on the drive back, but

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't hit at the baby mountain Lion was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>She said the whole thing it was a weird, a

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<v Speaker 1>weird fever dream. It was an AMC thousand Oaks, And

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<v Speaker 1>she said I should have known when I made a

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<v Speaker 1>ha hat. Well, I guess I'll be brave remark about

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<v Speaker 1>switching movies from Judy to Joker, and without batting an eye,

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<v Speaker 1>the clerk said, Oh, don't worry, we hired extra security

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<v Speaker 1>just for this movie. That's such. I mean that all

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<v Speaker 1>feels like such a stunt, though it is a stunt,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like a chicken and egg thing because it

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<v Speaker 1>is like they have cops that a lot of the screenings,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're looking for people like jostling for things,

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<v Speaker 1>and phones are also things. People. Vaping in The Joker

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<v Speaker 1>is like the least unexpected thing ever. Seems like the

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<v Speaker 1>vaping ist movie in the world. Yeah, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>when only Outlaws convey it's just so I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like they're so god, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want it for next week. Yeah, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>the marketing around this movie, even like beyond the movie itself,

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<v Speaker 1>but just like watching Phoenix Went to a Dark Place.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that also, the Joker curse is not real

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<v Speaker 1>because Jack Nicholson was fine. That's just like Heath Ledger was.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, yeah, Heath Ledger was a specific circumstances. But

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<v Speaker 1>it does not like The Joker makes you like Caesar

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<v Speaker 1>Romero is fine. People who played like the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>the Joker drives you crazy. It's like a famous role

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<v Speaker 1>that drives you crazy. Not true. I also looked really

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<v Speaker 1>deeply into the Kennedy Curse after watching next week's other

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<v Speaker 1>Marquee movie, jfk Uh and it turns out that Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>curse is also like, well, a lot of them died

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<v Speaker 1>in drunk driving accidents. Well, that's sort of cursed. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's curse. It's curse, but it's also like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a history of alcoholism in the family. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's got an explanation. Besides, it's supernatural. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's supernatural. I just think it's a It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like karma. A lot of them also have

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<v Speaker 1>died in small planes, which seems also like just a

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<v Speaker 1>rich person thing. It's like, yeah, well that's a curse

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<v Speaker 1>for being rich, so you can die in a small

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<v Speaker 1>plane that you own. Like, um, should we take a

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<v Speaker 1>night email? Yeah, did you want to talk about Demi Moore? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I forgot how much I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about to Amy Moore. I didn't want to blow up

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<v Speaker 1>your spy here. Because I finally finished Easy Writer's Raging Bulls. Congratulations,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. It has a really depressing ending called the Eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>um where everything sucks. But I started reading Demi Moore's autobiography,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a great eighties Hollywood book and also just

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<v Speaker 1>a really good memoir. Um. Nobody believes me in this room.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's it called. It's called inside Out. It's very short.

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<v Speaker 1>It is supposedly ghost written by Ariel Levi, and it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it is because it's all like very tense,

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<v Speaker 1>like emotional punches in the gut the whole time. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But also it makes you really like Demi Moore or

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<v Speaker 1>feel sympathy for her for a lot of reasons. But

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever lack sympathy for her? I never thought

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<v Speaker 1>about her. I've read a lot of actress's memoirs, and

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<v Speaker 1>they make me think about actresses as people in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is like sometimes illuminating and sometimes disillusion ing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just never I've never been that drawn to the

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<v Speaker 1>actress memoir in general. I had to read a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for work, I think, is why I read them. But

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<v Speaker 1>they tend to have good gossip in them. But also

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<v Speaker 1>it's like some people are much smarter and more interesting

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<v Speaker 1>than you would ever think, and other people are the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>And Demi Moore is much smarter and more interesting than

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<v Speaker 1>you would think. Also, the story of her and Bruce

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<v Speaker 1>Willis falling in love is legit very romantic. She she

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<v Speaker 1>and Emilio Esteves are engaged and then he breaks it

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<v Speaker 1>off because he Um. But she goes to like Emilio

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<v Speaker 1>Esteveza's Premier for steak out, and I think that's where

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Willis picks her up. UM on a date with

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<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend UM, and he picks her up by doing

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<v Speaker 1>flare bartending. God yes, and she's like, I know it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound cool, but you have to believe me in

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<v Speaker 1>this was the coolest thing. I think flare bartending is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely cool. It is cool and shouldn't see it. She

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<v Speaker 1>was a bartender before he did Moonlighting and then he like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just kind of a bartender and they were both

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<v Speaker 1>like poor kids who then became really really wealthy, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was like and then it solved nothing about all

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<v Speaker 1>the trauma. But on their first date he drops her

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<v Speaker 1>off and then she's like driving home being like, what

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<v Speaker 1>a great date? Who is that guy? I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see him again? And then his limo pulls up

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<v Speaker 1>alongside her with his crew on the pch with his

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<v Speaker 1>gang of partiers including Woody Harrelson and John Goodman. What

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all like, get your girl, Bruno because everybody

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<v Speaker 1>calls Bruce Um, that's great. I wish it ended there,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I read it. They were just like two

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<v Speaker 1>pages about that. They get married in vegas Um and

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<v Speaker 1>then Paramount offers to pay for a wedding because it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a publicity stunt. So then they get married on

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<v Speaker 1>a Paramount sound stage by Little Richard, and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a turn for the depressing. Maybe getting married

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<v Speaker 1>on a sound stage is rough. It sounds depressing, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have to understand she came from such poverty that

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<v Speaker 1>that was like something she thought was like really glamorous

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<v Speaker 1>in some way. Or she was like, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>help my career, and like, I'm an actress. It's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>you're paying for it. But they got married in vegas Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't deny that. Well, then it turns out he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really want her to work that much, and she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we should have talked about stuff more before we got married.

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<v Speaker 1>A while. I haven't gotten up to the planet Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>years yet, but uh so, anyway, Denny Moore's Inside Out

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<v Speaker 1>recommend did by one third of the podcast I Will

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<v Speaker 1>Convert You I read. I think the last celebrity memoir

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<v Speaker 1>I read was Cameron Diaz. Is maybe that was a

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<v Speaker 1>while ago. I signed for Grantland and then it was

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<v Speaker 1>like unassigned because I was at first i opened it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this happens frequently with me, where I'm like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>love this based on the first page. And the first

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<v Speaker 1>page was like when you wake up in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>you should drink it was some obscene amount of water.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like water. And I did it for like

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<v Speaker 1>two days and I was like, this is brilliant, this

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<v Speaker 1>is great. I feel great. And then it's like on

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<v Speaker 1>day three, You're like, it's just so much book. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>her health book is crazy. I thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>memoir that had started with about drinking water in it

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<v Speaker 1>was a memoir. Cameron. Yeah, Cameron Dial has also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of underrated as an actress. Oh, she's fantastic, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>been enigma. She will she doesn't let you into Some

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<v Speaker 1>people are just avatars. They're like, you know, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>a big personality. Off, she's an aquatar. Some people know

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<v Speaker 1>their strength is not being a person. Yeah, they're the

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<v Speaker 1>real world. I was going to say a vestibule. If

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a human vestibule to be walked through. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>did you guys see Natasha Leone I'm sorry where I

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<v Speaker 1>know we're like going proxen to social media. But did

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<v Speaker 1>you see that she posted a diagram of why ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>go through walls? No, but I used Natasha Leone like

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes ago in my example of a person who

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be crushed by Hollywood because they had the self

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<v Speaker 1>esteem to withstand it. Is it the self esteem? I

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<v Speaker 1>think I don't know what Hollywood. For a while, I

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<v Speaker 1>think she was. I think she's on the contrast, were all, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think like it's very understandable, like she I

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<v Speaker 1>was just saying, I think a lot of people that

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<v Speaker 1>are actors, how are like have no self esteem? But

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<v Speaker 1>don't you want to know why ghosts can walk through Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because they're walking based on the original floor plan

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<v Speaker 1>of whatever a building that was on the plot of

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<v Speaker 1>land that they are haunting, because you, as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're wedded to the plot. So whatever house was originally

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<v Speaker 1>there when the ghost was alive, they're like, oh, here's

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<v Speaker 1>the stairs and here's the doorway, even though maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>no stairs no doorway anymore. So they're just they have

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<v Speaker 1>to like go the way that they're used to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Architects have so much power right over over the beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea. Yeah, it's like alchemy. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was because they're vaporous and they can pass through walls.

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<v Speaker 1>But why would they because they are used to They're

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<v Speaker 1>just retreading. That's all they feel like doing is just retreading.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't blame them, like it's it's what's comfortable, or

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<v Speaker 1>like they're like getting so mad. They're like I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to jump through this hole. That could be I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just they could be. It could be an expressive thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, I was totally felt that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a good scientific explanations. They drink fifteen cups of water. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>can you imagine right when you wake up? But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know liquid and I don't know if anybody actually no,

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<v Speaker 1>I do. My husband wakes up in the morning and

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<v Speaker 1>drinks water. To me, it's so disgusting in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Our friend, yeah, I have to drink something with a taste.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't be water. Water in the morning is grossed

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<v Speaker 1>create along without a bottle. That how how much water

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to drink every day, and it's so much.

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<v Speaker 1>You can drink too much water poisoning I'm drinking water

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<v Speaker 1>right now, but honestly, like I'm not enjoying it at all,

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<v Speaker 1>especially because I'm sick. It's just terrible. Speaking of ghosts, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a haunted email about a haunted place we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about last week, Winnipeg. Yes, we got an email

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<v Speaker 1>from Ryle in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Um and Ryle writes to us,

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<v Speaker 1>since you name dropped Winni bag in your episode with Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it would be good to talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of surreal aspects about the city. Are you guys

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<v Speaker 1>ready to learn about Winnipeg? Yeah? Of course that was me,

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't Ryle. Okay. So first, there's the Hamilton's House.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hamilton's House belonged to a Dr Hamilton's that, like

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<v Speaker 1>many people in the early twentieth century, was into the

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualist movement. The house became a place where medium psychics

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<v Speaker 1>and the like which showcase their abilities. So Arthur Conan

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<v Speaker 1>Doyle made a visit and they even took photos of

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<v Speaker 1>the seances and psychic sessions, including in demonstration of a

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<v Speaker 1>table being moved by telekinesis. Supposedly, the house still stands

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<v Speaker 1>today and surprisingly no mention of any hauntings. A Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>article about it. If you ever want to read more

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<v Speaker 1>details or just to look at the photos and you

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<v Speaker 1>can judge them yourself. I'd like to believe some of

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<v Speaker 1>them are real, but I'm kind of a skeptic at heart.

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<v Speaker 1>And then uh second second fun Winnipeg fact. IF Day

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<v Speaker 1>in two there was a simulation of a Nazi invasion

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<v Speaker 1>during wartime, appropriately called IF Day, where volunteer actors dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in Nazi uniform staged an invasion that was reminiscent of

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<v Speaker 1>the invasions in Europe, along with the sounds of gunfire,

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<v Speaker 1>news articles and radio broadcasts, and the day culminated in

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<v Speaker 1>what was essentially was a fundraiser for victory bonds. This

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<v Speaker 1>is It was referenced in the movie My Winnipeg, which

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<v Speaker 1>is directed by Guy Madden, who is like the David

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<v Speaker 1>Lynch of Canada or just or just Manitoba if he

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<v Speaker 1>liked silent films in expressionism. Oh guy Madden being from Manitoba.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, He's like, yeah, everything shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>Guy Madden, shout out IF Day. That's insane, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>But it sounds it just sounds like a different version

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of active shooter drills now. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I saw something like in my neighborhood today that was

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<v Speaker 1>like emergency event drilled. Yeah, there's an emergency preparedness drill

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. Also, a bunch of blue angels flying over

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood right now is always a little um. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. It's like one thing to prepare people

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<v Speaker 1>for a bad situation, like say a Nazi invasion. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say that America would be in a better place

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<v Speaker 1>right now if we'd been prepared for a Nazi invasion

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<v Speaker 1>sometime in the last several years. But it's not just that,

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<v Speaker 1>like the practicalities of it, but it's like the relashing

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<v Speaker 1>and the causeplay of it, which is so creepy to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's creepy about Civil War re enact Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I don't know, have you guys ever been

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<v Speaker 1>not to get too dark here early in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>but have you guys ever been in like an active

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<v Speaker 1>shooter drill in the last several years? My children have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was really I heard about this on air talk

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<v Speaker 1>with Larry Mantle. Shout out Larry Mantle. I forgot that

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Mantle is like one of my radio here heroes

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<v Speaker 1>here on eight nine point three KPCC. But um he

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<v Speaker 1>there was a there was a whole segment about like

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<v Speaker 1>how much are these just traumatizing kids for no really

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<v Speaker 1>scary ad about it? Oh the every town at the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's like back to school season? That wasn't every

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<v Speaker 1>every town is phenomenal. I I love every town? Um

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought that, yeah, that but it made me cry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah. It just comes up when you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>a TV show and you're like, uh yeah. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of the schools out here try

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<v Speaker 1>to handle them as sensitively as they can, considering that

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<v Speaker 1>they really have to introduce a horrible concept to like

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<v Speaker 1>five year olds. Um, but I it's hard because like

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting a lot of the information from your kid

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<v Speaker 1>about like what's happening, and then you have to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what do you tell atomic bomb drill? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they were talking about. They're like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kids in the fifties had a similar thing that was like,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like so much more existential. I think like

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of a bomb versus the active shooter also

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<v Speaker 1>consistential in different ways. It also it makes possible. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the person who's shooting is someone who attends

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<v Speaker 1>your school. I think that's the really frightening thing is

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it's it's really awful. But there I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in a couple now really at different offices

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<v Speaker 1>that I've worked at, and there are some where you

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<v Speaker 1>get the sense that the person whose job it is

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<v Speaker 1>to do the active shooter training like really gets off

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<v Speaker 1>on their job, like they love imagining being in a scenario. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of proper type people. They're all like former cops.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was one where you watched this video. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember where this was, and it's probably for the

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<v Speaker 1>best that I don't say what workplace it was that,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, there was a video that was like it

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<v Speaker 1>was like showing the scenario, like it was like an

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<v Speaker 1>office building and then everybody starts running around and and

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<v Speaker 1>they're playing like this like like Mission Impossible type music

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<v Speaker 1>over it, and like and they're like, this isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>scene from an actual Hollywood action movie. This could happen

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<v Speaker 1>in your work. Maybe I did see a video yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like not horrible. Um yeah, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's even like to even make that connection in that

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<v Speaker 1>context to be like, you know, like movie stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>getting shot. This is different. It's just like it's just

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<v Speaker 1>such a weird Did you guys see the simulator where

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<v Speaker 1>you have to fire the old man? An? He cries?

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<v Speaker 1>Know what's that? It's like a simulator for people that

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<v Speaker 1>have to go around doing layoffs. And it's like, tell

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<v Speaker 1>this old man he doesn't have a job anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he's like, no, my thing. Wait did you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do this? No? No, my friend just told me

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<v Speaker 1>about it, because it was like, oh my god. In

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<v Speaker 1>the news, Um, every day is IF day here in America.

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<v Speaker 1>In Canada they have a specific day for IF day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's nice. They allowed for chaos. Oh man. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>saw the scariest tweet. I think it was Gabe delah

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<v Speaker 1>Hay who tweeted like Donald Trump should just sign the

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<v Speaker 1>purge into action right now. Please don't even it's so

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<v Speaker 1>scary because sometimes something like that gets said and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>put it back in your brain, let it out in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I don't know how I felt about that one,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was like and he should be like, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>it absolves me of all my crimes because they were

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<v Speaker 1>all done on Purge days. Oh my god. Okay, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of the nightmare hell World. We'll be back after an

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<v Speaker 1>ad with more talk about I switching. Welcome back. We

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<v Speaker 1>are going to talk today about the Stanley Kubrick film,

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<v Speaker 1>the last Stanley Kubrick film, Eyes Wide chut Um, on

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<v Speaker 1>the occasion of I guess the entire year nineteen but

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<v Speaker 1>particularly uh the Jeoffrey Epstein case and um attendant horrors

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<v Speaker 1>of nineties underground millionaire sex cults, billionaire sex cults. Maybe, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we all watched Eyes Wide Shut recently we rewatched it,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, I hadn't seen it. Maybe in a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years. I think I do this one kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe every two years. I would say, it stays

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<v Speaker 1>pretty fresh. And I watched it like once a month. Really, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we went on to go to sleep. How is that? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you don't have to answer this, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that do for your relationship? Nothing bad if

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<v Speaker 1>you're confident in it. Not like we we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute about starting an eyewide Shot podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>then we were like that would break us up. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if we started a whole eyeswde could do the like

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<v Speaker 1>the Shining one where it's like one minute because you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it for like a second that we're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we would kill each other, yeah and hate the movie

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<v Speaker 1>after a while. So, um, well, the most recent eyes

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<v Speaker 1>Wide Shut like topical thing that I remember coming through

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<v Speaker 1>my feed was the tweet I think that you you

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<v Speaker 1>forwarded to me, Actually, Molly, that was basically somebody saying, um,

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley Kuber died right before the release of Eye Eyes

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<v Speaker 1>Wide Shot for the same reason that bungled the release

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<v Speaker 1>of Under the Silver Way. Yeah, which is pretty amazing

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<v Speaker 1>once you get what we will call Epstein brain. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it just sort of does, like in fact, the way

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<v Speaker 1>you think about everything. And then you know, when I

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<v Speaker 1>watched next week's feature JFK and I realized that was

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<v Speaker 1>just Boomer Epstein brain, which just JFK conspiracy brain. You

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<v Speaker 1>do maybe start to see patterns where they don't even

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>necessarily exist, uh, but also some patterns you wish you

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<v Speaker 1>could unsee. So the the actual reported like factual connection

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<v Speaker 1>between Eyes Wide Shut and Jeffrey Epstein is that Larry Salona,

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<v Speaker 1>who has broken a lot of the stories on Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein for The Post. He's like a long long time

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<v Speaker 1>post report or new York Post report. That's how he

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<v Speaker 1>got the job on I Swide Shut is because he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, uh, like a total like WEGI crime scene

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>reporter who reports on like people killing their mistresses and

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.640
<v Speaker 1>dumping the bodies and the kind of stuff that happens

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.919
<v Speaker 1>in the movie Eyes Wide Shut. And then uh, he

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 1>wrote the story about Jeffrey Epstein committing suicide that a

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of people think was a plant to cover up

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 1>whatever really happened, Epstein dying in a jail cell, which

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:19.639
<v Speaker 1>we will never know is broke um. And then a

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 1>lot of people were like, I watched that's a documentary.

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>When you mean by a lot of people, you mean

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>you that was I think even I thought it was

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 1>a documentary before all this happened. I was kind of like, yeah,

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>it would be I plausible sort of factory ready detail.

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, yeah, this is all real. I

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 1>think there's something about this movie that I always took

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a total face value. I think, like, there are certain things.

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I think. The interesting thing to think about for me

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>is like not doubting that this kind of thing ever

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 1>happens regularly, um, but that it probably looks a lot

0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>less cinematic Because Stanley Koper doesn't direct it um like

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the whole, like the whole very famous scene of Tom

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Cruise coming in while they're doing the ritual and the

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>naked ladies and the crazy music and everything. It's incredible.

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 1>It's so like, its like it has a physical effect

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>on me. It feels like my head's about yeah while

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching it, but I'm also like, the real version

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>of this is so and gross and sad, even if

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it's at a billionaire's home. It's like, I just don't

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 1>like thinking that was like the horrible feeling I got

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.919
<v Speaker 1>when I saw those pictures of Jolayne's apartment, you know,

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>with the mask on the wall, and I was like,

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 1>this is what it's really like, is like a creepy

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>town house and a creepy woman who makes you feel

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>comfortable and then shuts and locks all the doors. But

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 1>there's something about those town houses, those rich people town houses,

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.679
<v Speaker 1>that I've always found just so claustrophobic that this movie,

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:57.439
<v Speaker 1>uh is very good at conveying that whole like creepy

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Manhattan feeling fake Manhattan. Yeah. That's also the other bizarre

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>aspect of this movie is that it was shot both

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>on a sound stage and just like I think on

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.199
<v Speaker 1>streets in London, uh and not in New York, so

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like Tinewoods. Yeah. Um. But there is some stuff

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>that like like the locations, like the the like the

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>costume shop and stuff like that. That's all I think

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>that's on location because it's like all very specifically British

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 1>like everything. There's like to let signs and there's like

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's a fancy dress shop. Is that because it

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>was based on a story that was because Stanley Kubrick

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>won't take place, he won't get okay, I need Yeah,

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>I knew that too, But I mean like the the

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>like little touches of like for let was it just

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to be kind of like a weird nowhere place and

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a specifically New York. I mean if that's intentional,

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty smart because it does give you this weird,

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>dreamy feeling how you're watching it. It's like the shining

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>where you can make yourself insane, just like looking at

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>every detail of every scene and being like it's telling

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 1>me something. Although I did just see there was a

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>bunch of stuff in Midsummer that I totally miss, Like

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>what there's a bunch of like images of her dead

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:18.959
<v Speaker 1>sister in the trees. Somebody posted a screen cap of

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>like it's like when she is like tripping out and

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>looking at the trees and stuff, there's like this hidden

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>image of her, of her sister with like the hose

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>hooked up to her face. It's terrified. So re watch

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>me in summer. But if you dare, this movie also

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>feels like that where you're like, if I keep watching it,

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll figure it out. Like Zodiac, Um, do you want

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to do? You want to do a quick little recap

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>of it for people who said this movie about a

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 1>doctor and his wife played by Tom Cruise Nicole Kidman,

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>when they were still there, still married. She tells him

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>that he understands nothing about women's sexuality, and then he

0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>goes on a night cruise all night, after hours, trying

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to get late. Well, one of the things I learned

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>about this movie was that it was originally pitched as

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of an after hours It's supposed to be more

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>of like a comedy, and it was supposed to be

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>made in the eighties, uh, starring Steve Martin. Yeah, which

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love it too, But it's like

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 1>it is like it has the same plot as the

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>movie like Booty Call, which is like you're trying to

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>get late all night and you can't because things keep

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>getting in your way, and that's what makes it like

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 1>an anxiety dream where it's like you're trying to achieve

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>this task but like you can't, or like Harold and Kumar. Yeah,

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>all the best movies take place over one night, but

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>there is something about this movie. I think that like

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 1>none of the time makes sense in it, which again

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>adds to the weirdness of the got a weird reception

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>when it came out, but I also counted as like

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>a movie like show Girls, where it's like people were

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>mad because they thought it was going to be erotic,

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and then it's like, no, it's a movie about sex

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>as a commodity, and how an eroticized like that can be. Uh,

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not like it's like it is cold and sort

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of not warm. Yeah. Well, to use really smart words, Well,

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm like, I guess this is one of

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>my more basic film opinions. But I like, I truly

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>love Stanley Kubrick, like I I genuinely like he's one

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite directors of all time. Weird, I know, um,

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>but I think, like, what is amazing about this film

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>is that I think you could you could categorize it

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>as an erotic thriller, one of our favorite genres, totally

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a night call. But it does feel it kind of

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>feels like if a woman directed an erotic thriller, because

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>it is so psychological and it's so if I write

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>directed an neurotic killer, just be like dicks the whole time.

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Well now I'm not talking about like what's on its

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>mind and and the way it depicts the relationship between

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>um Nicole and Tom and just the whole like even

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 1>before it gets into the crazy stuff, just the party

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 1>seem it just it feels so intelligently, uh just executed

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>like it's just so I think it's just so tuned

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 1>into both of them in a way that's like her

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>acting is also bizarre and it's so weird. I love it,

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's like it's so but it makes you just

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 1>hyper aware of everything that she's saying and like going

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>through and stuff because it's just like what is she doing?

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I have to say that I cannot find an emotional

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>like foothold in this movie. Really. Yeah, well because especially

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>so at the party and then the following the argument

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>where she gets really high and has this kind of

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>like I think she's great, but I cannot understand, like

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>because she goes immediately to such a high emotional intensity

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and she's so high that I'm kind of like wanted

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to be funnier or like make more sense to me,

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>but I can't. It's it's I don't identify at all

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>with either of them. I'm like, who am I love

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to latch Onto? So uncomfortable. It's a very uncomfortable movie,

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>That's what I like. I think it's interesting. I just

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>never feel anything for it. Well. I feel like people

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>say that a lot about Kuber movies, like it's not emotional. Oh,

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel that way. I mean, I it's probably

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>uly either a tricky Kubrick for me, but I'm still

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>interested in it. I mean honestly, like I love them.

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I love all of them, but this one. But it's like,

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't what's your actual favorite. I don't know. I

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>feel like I want to say, like two thousand one,

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>but I also don't want to, like, like one of

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the best movies, but it's it's hard to talk about Kubrick.

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>You're like, I want to say that it's like a

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>favorite movie and be like Spartacus. But it's like I

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to love Eyes Whide Shut much more than I

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>ever did, but I can still appreciate it. But like

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>just f y, I was watching Eyes Wide Shut the

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>other night, turned it off, turned on Under the Silver

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Lake again. My neighbor was driving by and it was

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>late at night, and she saw like on her one

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.239
<v Speaker 1>way trip part of Eyes White Shut and then on

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 1>her way home Under the Silver Lake and she was like,

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>what are you watching? And I was like, well, Eyes

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Wide Shut and Under the Silver Lake and she was

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>just like, okay, you're on a journey. That's okay. I

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'll get curtains. I guess. I love when

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 1>you're watching a movie like That's like I feel like

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't happen anymore because now people just watch on computers.

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>But I remember like watching Russ Meyer's movies like on

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the main TV and in college and other people being like,

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>what are you watching? What are you doing? Hey? What

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>do you do? It? It's a not a soft court, yeah,

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean it is sort of, but I mean come

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>by in five minutes, yeah, yeah, I mean I yeah,

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I've never cried. I mean, I guess I get the

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>charge of Kubrick being emotionally chill, and I think some

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>of his films live up to that more than others.

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 1>But like, I don't know, this movie is pretty emotional

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>for me, but it's like on a it's like on

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a it's like on a post human level. Yeah, it's

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I also think I can never connect with Tom Cruise. Really.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe that's that's really the main Magnolia. Yeah,

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I like him in Magna. He's I like him in Magnolia,

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like, and maybe this is because of

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>like Zeno or something, but I feel like I cannot

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 1>see past the thing that is armoring him, you know,

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 1>like he wants you to see this. I like a

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>lot of like big eighties actors, I feel like who

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I encountered. Later, I was totally did not get Tom Cruise.

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:41.760
<v Speaker 1>And then when I went back and watched Risky Business,

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, I mean yeah, when you look

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.240
<v Speaker 1>at like really young Time and honestly, parts of Vanilla

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Sky like much as that movie. We should do a

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>big Question Feelings, but I hate it, but I can't

0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>like go. We should have Cameron crow Onto talk about

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Vanilla Scott Cameron Crew on the horn here. I feel

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.399
<v Speaker 1>like we can get him on the horn. I just

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.320
<v Speaker 1>also would like to hear what he thinks about it,

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>because I think it's just like sometimes you make a

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.439
<v Speaker 1>movie and it doesn't come out like you thought it were, right. Yeah,

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 1>but that movie's got some super interesting stuff and it's interesting.

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>It's not different from Eyes Wide Shut and and they

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>came out somewhat close to And it's just that it

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>came out right after Almost Famous, which obviously we all

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>like love a lot, you know, so do you not

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>love it? It worked on me. I don't know if

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched. And I thought about it so much

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>when I was interviewing Lona Delray the other day, because

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, here's the Almost Famous experience you

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 1>like want of, Like you can't just try to be

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 1>friends with somebody you like are obsessed with the party.

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>This is the thing. Is that, like, in terms of

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 1>movies you think about despite not connecting with Eyes Wide Shut,

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 1>I certainly think about it, Like there are things where

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm like that Eyes Why, like with Vanilla Skuy were

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 1>still talking about Vanilla more than anybody. I wish you

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>guys to bring it back to Karintinas exactly. Look at

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>this part where she drives them off a bridge, and

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>she's like, it's been like a running joke for testing

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 1>since that movie came. Literally all he made me see it.

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 1>It's an eternal line, it is. There's so much in

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.479
<v Speaker 1>there that just doesn't make any set. It's just it's

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>such a funny because it's some jewels and gym and

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>then and they're like, it was repeating all the movies

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 1>in your brain. I love, I love what that movie

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>did to me. It's like I just look, I'm just

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 1>saying it goes for something. Yeah, you know, but I

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>will say to bring it back to Cruiz, I it

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't quite work for me in this movie. He generally

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work for me. The times he works for me

0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.800
<v Speaker 1>are when I think that people really have a handle

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>on how to work with what you're talking about, that

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 1>like outer thing that he wants to project, like an

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>exo skeleton. Yeah, and he has. It's like it's like

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>playing with somebody's intentions and working them, like working somebody's

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>intentions to be your attentions or something like. I think

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.240
<v Speaker 1>if you're directing Tom Cruise, that's like a weird needle

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>you have to thread, just from like that's my armchair

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 1>opinion from having watched him in movies, like I love

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>him in Magnolia. I think that that's like a smart

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>use of him. And I love him in Collateral, Like

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Collateral Tom Cruise, like genuinely literal, what's wrong with all

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of us? Were like, you know, it's hot Tom Cruise

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>in Collateral and Magnolia. I didn't say I know it

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 1>was hot, but he was hot in Collateral. I was

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>over at my Collateral. I thought he was fantastic in Magnolia,

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 1>like young young Tom Cruise, Like sure, young Cruise didn't

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>do anything, didn't have that, but oh but he didn't

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>have the crust, like he was like just a person

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 1>without this like like I'm a celebrity and I'm very

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 1>good at engage with you. It's like you're not You're

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 1>not about mission impossible. I think what we're talking about

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>is like there's Tom Cruise the actor and Tom Cruise

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.919
<v Speaker 1>the movie star, and sometimes you get the actor, and

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like you get the actor. I do,

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>but this is the thing. I think you get the

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>parts where he's been I was just like I wanted

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 1>to have a drinking game. For every time he says

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm a doctor in this movie, it's like, should we

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:25.839
<v Speaker 1>all have be doctors so we can get into any

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>like club, costume shop. There's a lot of reasons we

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 1>should all be Yeah, like that's that's like number seventies

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>seven on the list. But but I think all of

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that stuff he does really well, and he's really well

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 1>suited for. And I think it's interesting to pose that

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that persona and that that artifice that he does as

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:48.760
<v Speaker 1>something that can get deconstructed over the course of the movie,

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>or like get threatened at least, And I just don't

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>think he plays the threatened part of it. Like I

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>don't ever buy that his world like falls apart in

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 1>this movie in the way that I think it should,

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.280
<v Speaker 1>in the way that I believe like the movie is selling.

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>But I don't like that he's selling it. You want

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 1>to see him like fall apart more or I just

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>want to see some of that, let go of some

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 1>of the because even when he's like beans sad, I

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>just don't. I still don't. I still see the shell.

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You know who was supposed to play

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>at the Sydney Pollock part in the eighties version, would

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you allen? Oh my god, somebody told me that apparently

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>there were even more Jeffrey Epstein jokes cut out of

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>thirty Rock uh, and that they were just like in

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>it all the time, um, and that everybody in New

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 1>York knew about it. So I do think there are

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 1>things like this where everybody knows about it. It's like

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 1>an open secret among a certain group of people, and

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you get away with it because it sounds so fucking insane. Sure,

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 1>it's also like if it's just a sex party, it's

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>also like, sure, what else is new in New York

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>is less fucked up than the Epstein scandal? That's the thing.

0:39:56.719 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Like they're not they're I mean it's still fucked up obviously.

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Well they kill people, but they kill sex workers. But

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 1>before they're not trafficking children, right Yeah. And it like

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>when there's a threat, Like it was really interesting to

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 1>watch this time around because it's just like when the

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 1>threat start coming his way and when they know his

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.319
<v Speaker 1>name and they tell him to back off, it's just

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.399
<v Speaker 1>like or what, like what it's just a nightmare. It's

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare. It's like trying to figure out It's like

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Russian dollar you're like trying to figure out what you

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>have to do and it doesn't matter because it's a dream.

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>And like when he goes to the sex party, it's

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 1>like all of the women look the same and they

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>all look just like Nicole Kidman, like in terms of

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the body type. You know, It's like it just feels

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like a weird, paranoid sex dream about being in a

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>long marriage and being like, I'm attracted to other people,

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 1>but the idea that my wife is attracted to other

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:50.879
<v Speaker 1>people like fox my whole life up or at least

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 1>your night or at least maybe the pot is just

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:57.719
<v Speaker 1>making you paranoid. Yeah, I love that part. But I

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 1>also just remember seeing the trailer for this movie. The

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>trailer was horny. Well I thought it was going to

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>be so different based on the trailer because that Chris

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Isaac song is like the sexiest thing in the world.

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>So it's like it can't live up to that song

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 1>when it's like, no, no, are you just a del

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>rey and she needs Also Chris Isaac is just like

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>his music is very I am not turned on by

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the music of Chris. What you were just going to say, Like,

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.879
<v Speaker 1>I'll admit that that song is like a horny song

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 1>on its face. How do you feel about rockabilly in general?

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with rockabilly. What do you think is the

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 1>sexiest music like ever in the world? Yeah, I feel

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>like it's she personal. When we hit our three thousands,

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.279
<v Speaker 1>will say what the sexiest music in the world is,

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 1>somber mix will be the mix of the sexiest music

0:41:53.800 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 1>in the world sexce novembermember, Oh my god, I'm okay.

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 1>They're just to scare people and be like what if

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I listening to and then we'll go back to the

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>sexy stuff. Okay, So this is a good question though. Okay,

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 1>so do you think that the music is diegetic in

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:22.839
<v Speaker 1>the sex ritual scene, because so there's the stuff that

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 1>he's playing, like Nick Nightingale is like a Yama like

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 1>but that's like that's like the opening of it. But

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 1>then I feel like I feel like some of what

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>we're hearing is not diegetic. But like it's interesting to

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>think about it all being like him to have all

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>those patches and his keyboards and thing about the Jeffrey

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Epstein Temple where that article came out there for the

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 1>interviewed a lot of people to figure out like what

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 1>was the temple for on the Highland, and it turned

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>out it was a piano room because they found somebody

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>would tune the piano in the room. They found like

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.479
<v Speaker 1>more than one person who said, I've been in the room,

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>it's like a performance space or whatever. Doesn't mean it's

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>not also a sex dungeon. But I guess this also

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 1>just seems like very old world New York to me.

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 1>The idea that like to get people to have a

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>party you have to gather around a piano in like

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 1>a very expensive room. Wasn't that just like an eighties

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and nineties thing. No, I think it's I feel like

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>if you have a piano, you're going to make people

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 1>do that. Well, it's like it's like a like pre

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>recorded music thing, like after dinner, like my daughter, my

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 1>oldest daughter is going for you, and so you'll agree

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 1>to marry her or whatever. Thinking of like fifties nightclubs

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>like that was the big thing in the Dino book,

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>was like people were like, oh, you know, records are

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 1>going to put the nighttime entertainment. Even in high school,

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I went to some like fancy friends

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 1>parties where someone would play the piano and then everyone

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>would kind of have to go and always theater party.

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, somebody else I know just got invited to

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>an adult woman's birthday party that was like recreating her

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 1>childhood parties where everybody would gather around a piano and

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:06.439
<v Speaker 1>first the feeling of dread that happens in me when

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.879
<v Speaker 1>someone's like, now we're all going like we are all

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.360
<v Speaker 1>going to Oh I hate that, and someone's going to

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>play for us. I hate just want to be like,

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 1>but what if I don't want to cry yes to

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:22.280
<v Speaker 1>this horrible arrangement. The most about the EWE shut universe

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>is like the idea of having to do an activity

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>at a party, yes, well, the idea that we're all

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>on the same page here. It's like when people are like, okay,

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>we're all really fucked up, time to play Mafia. It's like, no,

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the parties. You say this, but you just hate games. Yes,

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't feel like a game and ice wedgeshut.

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.359
<v Speaker 1>It feels like now I'm going to walk slowly arm

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.839
<v Speaker 1>in arm with somebody and wear a mask and it's

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>not going to feel like like none of the sexy

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff feels sexy at all because it feels so ritualized

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.279
<v Speaker 1>it feels like such a like act that's being put

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 1>on that I feel like it doesn't have any it's

0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>like just it's just the utilitary at that point, it's like, yeah,

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like for the purpose of a ritual. It's like

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>people are getting off on the ritual more than on

0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:12.240
<v Speaker 1>the sex, which is very real. I guess. It's also

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot of logistics involved in that many

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 1>people having sex to choreograph. Also, it's like when you're

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like looking at a lot of the background

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>players and a lot of like c g I placed

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>in people in front of people who are boning. But

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:29.959
<v Speaker 1>like like if you're just there and you're not having

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>sex and you're just watching somebody having sex, and you're

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 1>there like with another sex worker, and you're just supposed

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to like stand against each other just so like there's

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the best episode of Party Down about that they have

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the party and they're like talking about how much it

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>sucks to cater the party, and the woman who has

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:48.919
<v Speaker 1>to stand there with a mask with their tips out

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 1>is like you think your jobs. But I feel that

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>way about a lot of like people who have to

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 1>entertain naked. It's like it becomes very second nature to

0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you too in a minute. But that doesn't mean that

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.319
<v Speaker 1>like other people aren't going to be like that's what

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it was like at Avien. It's like everyone's just naked.

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:09.640
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem sexual to them. It's just sexual to

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the guys that are coming in and being like damn,

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:27.879
<v Speaker 1>like no bras, it's below me. Um. I want to

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.879
<v Speaker 1>talk real quick because I think one of the things

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I've always liked about this movie or that was interesting

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>about in this movie, besides the sex stuff, is like

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 1>how it's about um like being and I'm stealing this

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 1>from this point from my husband who watched it with

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.399
<v Speaker 1>me this last time, but like being being a one

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 1>percenter versus being a point oh one percenter. Like I

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>feel like that's also like maybe even more than the

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:57.239
<v Speaker 1>um like who has the biggest sex party UM thing,

0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the that's like the status thing that's running

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 1>through it all, like about like class anxiety. Yeah, I mean,

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>like there's the part that I remember like picking up

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 1>on maybe one of one of the first times I

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.240
<v Speaker 1>watched is like when when Nicole Kim is like helping

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.360
<v Speaker 1>the kid um do the homework and is like explaining

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.279
<v Speaker 1>a word problem It's like Joe has two dollars and

0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 1>fifty cents and Ted has one dollar and seventy five cents,

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Like how much more money does Joe like? And that's

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 1>what she's doing while like he's staring at her and

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.759
<v Speaker 1>just like having a meltdown. It's just like, can you

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>think about somebody like Stanley Kubrick who's like not a

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 1>rich kid from New York and you like ascend up

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.919
<v Speaker 1>into that part of New York and has always been

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.839
<v Speaker 1>like that's where I gotta get and then you get

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.840
<v Speaker 1>there and it's a nightmare. Yeah. Yeah, And it's like

0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 1>you can get you can get to a certain point

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 1>like be a Ted or be a Tom Cruise where

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>you're a doctor and you've got killer. You can get

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 1>to a certain point where you can be the Zodiac killer.

0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Uh no, but where you you know, like you're a

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.440
<v Speaker 1>doctor and you have rich clients and you get invited

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to fancy party, but you're not like at the upper

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 1>echel and you're not the person throwing the party um

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>or you're like a Nick nick Niel or you're just

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.359
<v Speaker 1>like you're invited into that space, but you're there as

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 1>an employee um and you have to wear a blindfold

0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.279
<v Speaker 1>for it, and I think like that those sorts of

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:21.919
<v Speaker 1>that sort of stratification of class and like who who

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>ultimately gets to actually go to the sex party and

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>how many people are there just being you know, human

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 1>props is um. I don't know, it's like an interest.

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:34.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a very dreamlike illustration of I think like America.

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Orange also has the human furniture. Yeah, I love Clockwork Orange.

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Also talk about Second Twisted Man Clockwork Orange I saw

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.439
<v Speaker 1>and like, really that was like one of the first

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>times I got too high. Just gonna you still have

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like flashbacks to that. That was just awful. I mean,

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.919
<v Speaker 1>I love Clockwork Orange, but like I'm never really like

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.319
<v Speaker 1>I and I'll sit down and watch Clockwork. It's like no,

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 1>just like with The Joker. I mean, even if like

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.680
<v Speaker 1>there's a part of me I'm not gonna lie that

0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>does want to see The Joker, it's just a big

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 1>part of me that I'm like, I just don't. I

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:16.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know what it would do to write it's psycholo.

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 1>It's hilarious that all these guys have probably like never

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 1>just watch Clockwork Orange. Also who are defending it as

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:26.319
<v Speaker 1>this like piece of resistance of Edge Lord Cinema. It's

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>like it's like there have been so many edgy like

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:31.880
<v Speaker 1>things that would not even like, would not even get

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 1>on screen now like thing, and that's like what to

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.400
<v Speaker 1>bring it all back to easy writers surging balls yet again,

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.720
<v Speaker 1>That's like the big takeaway is like there's this moment

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 1>for five seconds when people are like, we're going to

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 1>get to make art movies in America the way they

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.839
<v Speaker 1>do in Europe because blow Up is like a big

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 1>crossover hit, and then Jack Nicholson like immediately really early on,

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 1>is like, oh, people didn't like blow Up because it

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>had like crazy time stuff and jump cuts. It was

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>because they showed a beaver shot and nobody in America

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 1>had ever done that before. And that's what Hollywood took

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>away from it was like, Okay, sex scenes and blood

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 1>is like what we can do now, and there are

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>people who made that interesting and I like a lot

0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 1>of like grungy grindhouse stuff, but doing it just like

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.439
<v Speaker 1>for its own sake can be really boring, especially because

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 1>it's been done so much already, like torture porn movies. Yeah,

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.359
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have anything to say with it, then

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 1>it's like not it's not fun like to bring it

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 1>back to the purge. Also, like you know, that's like

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:32.759
<v Speaker 1>one instance of something where it's like I can get

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:34.480
<v Speaker 1>through how bad it is if there's a point of

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 1>view in there and if it has something interesting to say, Like,

0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:40.280
<v Speaker 1>but there's so much stuff where it's just like repeating

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 1>all the the external signifiers of darkness or something that.

0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean like Texas Change saw Massacre is a great movie.

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not that into Texas Change. Well, it's scary in

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 1>a mood. Yeah, certain mood. We're we pick where the

0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 1>edge ends. Yeah, but we all lower it over. It's

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>not that I know, it's not I don't find it

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.319
<v Speaker 1>too upset. I just kind of think it's boring. But yeah,

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not like it's not the most intelligent movie. Um yeah,

0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:17.280
<v Speaker 1>but okay, I just watched Shut Any other thoughts on

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>see you literally watched this? How many times? I just

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:24.440
<v Speaker 1>need to know so much? Like how many times? Like

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.239
<v Speaker 1>literally throw it on to fall asleep, like every night,

0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.839
<v Speaker 1>not every night, but like sometimes that just blows my mind,

0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Like watch that and Zodiac to go to bed sometimes

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Zodiac I understand because yeah, because one of those things,

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:36.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like I'm just going to dip in for a

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:38.480
<v Speaker 1>little bit of Zodiac and they both have that like

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of like I'm half awake in a weird dream world.

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:43.399
<v Speaker 1>And also I don't really have nightmares because I smoke

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 1>too much weed, so I'm not afraid of that right specifically. Um, yeah, no,

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I only watched it like every couple

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 1>of years. I'm like, I feel like I watched it

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:53.400
<v Speaker 1>two years ago and before that it might have been longer,

0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's I think it's I feel like I

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 1>want more movies like this on Slate, Like I I mean,

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily about the exact same thing, but I want

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:08.919
<v Speaker 1>more movies that like feel like this and talk about like, um,

0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:14.279
<v Speaker 1>talk about these feelings in it in an interesting and like, uh, well,

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk about the like express of the

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 1>scorese Joker Marvel Discourse. Next week, when we've talked about that,

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I really doing JFK and Joker next week, we're gonna

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:36.200
<v Speaker 1>spread it out alright, cool, oh God, spooky sp October begins. JFK.

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 1>We're getting all about out of our system before sex

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Dam's November. Let's do one last night, Yes nightcall a

0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:52.400
<v Speaker 1>night call. Um, it's a little long, so we might

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 1>have to edit it down. UM, but I will leave

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you with the night Fierce. Yeah, here we go. Hi,

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 1>ladies of Nightfall. I love your show and it is

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 1>five five on my evening commune in for Land, Oregon. Um. Sorry,

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I just had to do that, but I was for

0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 1>me because I have had night terrors. Um. I don't

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 1>have them anymore, but I had them for about when

0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I started thinking about telling you guys about this, I

0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:26.359
<v Speaker 1>did the math, and it's been sixteen years. That's how

0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 1>long I had them. So, Um, I would actually fall

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>asleep and I would suddenly I would come from like

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 1>a deep sleep state to a sort of in a

0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>weight the middle of the road state to where I

0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:47.719
<v Speaker 1>knew I was um asleep, but I couldn't move and

0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I was scaralized. I could see my It's like I

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:51.879
<v Speaker 1>could see out of my eyes, but I couldn't move

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 1>my body. Absolutely terrifying. And Um. The way it would

0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:00.879
<v Speaker 1>always play out is someone would be in the house,

0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a man would be in the house, and then I

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:06.320
<v Speaker 1>could hear his footsteps walking closer and closer to me.

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes he would even turn around and walk back down

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the hallway just to mess with me repeatedly. So I

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 1>had these nightmares for like I say, sixteen years, and UM,

0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.919
<v Speaker 1>the only way that I was ever able to successfully

0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:28.560
<v Speaker 1>wake myself up from one was a I would. I

0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 1>found that you could take a super deep breath and somehow,

0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe having something to do with being able to steal

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:41.040
<v Speaker 1>your body, that wouldn't be able to wake me up. UM.

0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.759
<v Speaker 1>That worked a few times, and then finally one day,

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:49.920
<v Speaker 1>one lovely day, I UM had my last night terror

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.319
<v Speaker 1>when UM it was the same spario as always is.

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you guys have a long machine. UM, And

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I felt sleep sometimes to w would hear this loud

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 1>something in my ears? Anyway, I fell asleep, and UM,

0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I started having the dream there was a man in

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the house and I heard him watching his footsteps towards

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the bedroom and I was latting there paralyzed and terrified

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and not able to move that he sat down on

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.400
<v Speaker 1>the bed next me, and I just had had it.

0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:23.799
<v Speaker 1>I had my fill and I was like, listen here.

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say what I said, but I said,

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 1>you get out of here, and get out of you know,

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 1>do whatever it is you're gonna do. Or get out

0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of my life because I'm sick of putting up your

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 1>bull chet. And then I stunden somehow left my body

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and went outside and play to play with the cat

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:46.120
<v Speaker 1>because dreams are weird. And that was the end. I

0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 1>never had another one after that, And um that my

0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 1>theory is that, um when you do. I think it

0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:59.480
<v Speaker 1>was like my subconscious was trying to get me to

0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 1>stay my fears, and once I finally did you know,

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:10.360
<v Speaker 1>then it was over. Hopefully it wasn't a dark far anyway.

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I love your show, Poculator. That was a great night call.

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:18.920
<v Speaker 1>And also I can't imagine having a nightmare, a recurring

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:22.719
<v Speaker 1>nightmare for sixteen years. Yeah, I would, like, I don't know,

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I would have to like probably end up spending a

0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of money trying to figure out how do you

0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 1>care about that? That's also, by the way, like that's

0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 1>your screenplay because that's really good. Yeah, horrifying story. Yeah,

0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean I got like chills just like imagining the

0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:42.360
<v Speaker 1>guy coming down there, I know, yeah, and it's a

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.359
<v Speaker 1>really sitting on the bed. I do like this story

0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 1>has a happy ending though, because and I think that's like,

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, have you ever been able to like beat

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare in in within the nightmare, or just like

0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:56.080
<v Speaker 1>clap your hands and make it like defeat it, or

0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.360
<v Speaker 1>right now I wake up and I'm like, I'm going

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 1>to go back in, and that doesn't really work. Yeah,

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go back in. It's always a fun thing.

0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>It never works. I mean, it works like very but

0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 1>it never works how you want it to work. Even

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.879
<v Speaker 1>if it does work out, you get some weird like

0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:15.520
<v Speaker 1>like gummy shadow of whatever the nightmare was. I don't know,

0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:20.080
<v Speaker 1>um yeah, I like, I like, I mean, I guess

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:23.640
<v Speaker 1>if you have a recurring nightmare, you maybe are more

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:25.920
<v Speaker 1>likely to be able to do the lucid dreaming thing

0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:28.720
<v Speaker 1>of like recognizing what's going on because it's just familiar

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:31.640
<v Speaker 1>to you at that point. It's also probably you're you're

0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 1>spending so much time actually thinking about it, like during

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:39.240
<v Speaker 1>your waking hours, that you can probably I mean, maybe

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that's the trick, is that she just really needed to

0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:44.120
<v Speaker 1>do the work, as they say, to trying to figure

0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>out how to how to deal with whatever the fear was,

0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>not only in the waking hours, but while she was asleep. Also.

0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Sixteen years is like so much can happen to you

0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:56.000
<v Speaker 1>during that time, like you can seriously grow as a

0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>person and like then find the strength to be able

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.760
<v Speaker 1>to be like listen here, ry Man, get off my dream.

0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I love the way that she also narrated that. Listen here. Um. Yeah,

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.680
<v Speaker 1>this is great. Thank you so much for sharing. Um.

0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:16.480
<v Speaker 1>If you have any nightmare stories or any other stories

0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:20.520
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0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:23.320
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0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:26.680
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0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:37.400
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