Speaker 1: Welcome to Night Call, a production of My Heart Radio.
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Speaker 1: tonight Call. Hello everybody, and welcome Tonight Call, a podcast
Speaker 1: for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lambert
Speaker 1: and with me as always are Test. It's never happened before.
Speaker 1: The equilium is all up. Okay, it's Emily Oshida. I'm
Speaker 1: Test Lynch. We're still ourselves. We're here, We're I just
Speaker 1: want people to see that it's not all choreographed all
Speaker 1: the time. It's usually so polished. Yeah, but we want
Speaker 1: to that's the power of editing. Um. One and a
Speaker 1: half of us are under the weather right now, I
Speaker 1: would say, Um, so we might we might be a
Speaker 1: little bit on on sick time. I am the holy
Speaker 1: sick person. I'm the point five. Molly's the point five.
Speaker 1: It's so healthy and amazing, right, I think it might
Speaker 1: be a point to five at this point. So I
Speaker 1: will give you my energy. Um. But it's good to
Speaker 1: be loopy because we're going to talk about eyes wide
Speaker 1: shut today later in the show. The fans have been
Speaker 1: demanding that we devote an entire episode of the show
Speaker 1: to eyes watch shut and we're going to do it
Speaker 1: and the fans. First, we wanted to apologize for the
Speaker 1: delay on our newsletter and Mix this week, which we're
Speaker 1: not going to blame entirely on the sickness. But whoa,
Speaker 1: it definitely was not me. It wasn't what I was
Speaker 1: talking about me. I was talking about me. I blame
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Speaker 1: Uh spoiler alert there spooky the speak them for October.
Speaker 1: Speaking of spooky things and October. A lot of scary
Speaker 1: movies coming out lately, a lot of twisted and twisted movies. Uh,
Speaker 1: we aren't talking about Joker. This is our public service
Speaker 1: announcement that we are not talking about this week. No no,
Speaker 1: no dot dot dot this week, this week, not never,
Speaker 1: this week. We're talking about a problem hopefully next week. Um,
Speaker 1: we're all planning to fly to Russia to see it.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think Russia right now. I think
Speaker 1: somebody promised us they might know a Russian caravan that
Speaker 1: will show us the film. Now we're going to incriminate
Speaker 1: somebody else. And no, no, no, we're going to the
Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle. I was saying, if we get in trouble
Speaker 1: for saying we're going to pirate Joker, it would be
Speaker 1: great publicity for this podcast. So actually, everybody like tweet
Speaker 1: about the fact that we're pirating we're gonna pirate Joker
Speaker 1: because I don't want to pay for it and I
Speaker 1: don't want to go see it in a theater at
Speaker 1: the m p a A with But we're not We're
Speaker 1: not quite waiting fully waste deep into the Joker discourse
Speaker 1: yet because we have too much to say, I think,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you were already sick enough. I did
Speaker 1: stick in the mind, but I did to talk about
Speaker 1: some tweets that I saw last night, because I think
Speaker 1: everybody was wondering if anything would happen at the Joker screenings,
Speaker 1: because obviously it was almost like a marketing tool the
Speaker 1: way they were being like watch out like horror movies
Speaker 1: or people faint, but it's like watch out, you might
Speaker 1: get shot into the movie theater l O L. I
Speaker 1: don't know it worked on me, to be honest. That's
Speaker 1: like to make you want to see to make you
Speaker 1: never want to want to see it, maybe not want
Speaker 1: to see it's it's way less the Todd Phillips. Oh,
Speaker 1: I already didn't want to see it, but I think
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I'll see it for the laws,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, no, I don't even want
Speaker 1: to do that for free, for fabe, I don't know
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay for another movie at least such as well.
Speaker 1: This brings us to our friend Amy Twitter friend Amy
Speaker 1: friend of the pod uh whose Twitter name is aimed
Speaker 1: for the throat said last night that she went to
Speaker 1: go see Judy. She tried to go see Judy, the
Speaker 1: Judy Garland biopic star Renise solid Choice, and these are
Speaker 1: Amy's tweets for last sight. When you think you're seeing Judy,
Speaker 1: but your sleep addled brain got the showtime's wrong and
Speaker 1: Joker is the only thing still playing at ten, so
Speaker 1: you resign yourself to it. And the night ends with
Speaker 1: thirteen people getting arrested for fighting in the theater. People
Speaker 1: demanded follow up, and she said, at first, she said,
Speaker 1: I think Todd Phillips found a way to punish me
Speaker 1: for making a welcome to my Twisted Mind quip twenty
Speaker 1: minutes into the runtime. My god, so here the tweets. Uh.
Speaker 1: The guy sitting directly to my right got in a
Speaker 1: yelling match with some dude who was sitting a few
Speaker 1: seats over. Security guards and body armor and headlights come
Speaker 1: in and haul out one of them. The one on
Speaker 1: my right was very testosterony and it made me nervous.
Speaker 1: A body armored guard rushes back in, hauls out the
Speaker 1: woman who was with the guy they took out. The
Speaker 1: movie ends, I asked the security guard at the door.
Speaker 1: What happened? He said, Oh, that guy was drunk, loud
Speaker 1: and vaping. The real party happened in the other screen,
Speaker 1: playing Joker. Thirteen people were arrested. I think he's fucking
Speaker 1: with me. Nope, thirteen people were violently fighting and breaking
Speaker 1: bottles on each other. They sent in a dozen squad
Speaker 1: cars and handcuffed them on the theater floor. The screening
Speaker 1: that everyone was arrested and started fifteen minutes earlier than mine.
Speaker 1: I went to the later show just so I could
Speaker 1: buy a slushy, and then a baby Mountain Lion ran
Speaker 1: in front of my car on the drive back, but
Speaker 1: she didn't hit at the baby mountain Lion was fine.
Speaker 1: She said the whole thing it was a weird, a
Speaker 1: weird fever dream. It was an AMC thousand Oaks, And
Speaker 1: she said I should have known when I made a
Speaker 1: ha hat. Well, I guess I'll be brave remark about
Speaker 1: switching movies from Judy to Joker, and without batting an eye,
Speaker 1: the clerk said, Oh, don't worry, we hired extra security
Speaker 1: just for this movie. That's such. I mean that all
Speaker 1: feels like such a stunt, though it is a stunt,
Speaker 1: and it's like a chicken and egg thing because it
Speaker 1: is like they have cops that a lot of the screenings,
Speaker 1: and so they're looking for people like jostling for things,
Speaker 1: and phones are also things. People. Vaping in The Joker
Speaker 1: is like the least unexpected thing ever. Seems like the
Speaker 1: vaping ist movie in the world. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: when only Outlaws convey it's just so I don't know,
Speaker 1: it feels like they're so god, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't want it for next week. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 1: the marketing around this movie, even like beyond the movie itself,
Speaker 1: but just like watching Phoenix Went to a Dark Place.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that also, the Joker curse is not real
Speaker 1: because Jack Nicholson was fine. That's just like Heath Ledger was.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, Heath Ledger was a specific circumstances. But
Speaker 1: it does not like The Joker makes you like Caesar
Speaker 1: Romero is fine. People who played like the idea that
Speaker 1: the Joker drives you crazy. It's like a famous role
Speaker 1: that drives you crazy. Not true. I also looked really
Speaker 1: deeply into the Kennedy Curse after watching next week's other
Speaker 1: Marquee movie, jfk Uh and it turns out that Kennedy
Speaker 1: curse is also like, well, a lot of them died
Speaker 1: in drunk driving accidents. Well, that's sort of cursed. I
Speaker 1: think it's curse. It's curse, but it's also like it's
Speaker 1: like a history of alcoholism in the family. It's like
Speaker 1: it's got an explanation. Besides, it's supernatural. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's supernatural. I just think it's a It's just like
Speaker 1: it's just like karma. A lot of them also have
Speaker 1: died in small planes, which seems also like just a
Speaker 1: rich person thing. It's like, yeah, well that's a curse
Speaker 1: for being rich, so you can die in a small
Speaker 1: plane that you own. Like, um, should we take a
Speaker 1: night email? Yeah, did you want to talk about Demi Moore? Though?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot how much I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about to Amy Moore. I didn't want to blow up
Speaker 1: your spy here. Because I finally finished Easy Writer's Raging Bulls. Congratulations,
Speaker 1: thank you. It has a really depressing ending called the Eighties,
Speaker 1: um where everything sucks. But I started reading Demi Moore's autobiography,
Speaker 1: which is a great eighties Hollywood book and also just
Speaker 1: a really good memoir. Um. Nobody believes me in this room.
Speaker 1: But what's it called. It's called inside Out. It's very short.
Speaker 1: It is supposedly ghost written by Ariel Levi, and it
Speaker 1: feels like it is because it's all like very tense,
Speaker 1: like emotional punches in the gut the whole time. Um.
Speaker 1: But also it makes you really like Demi Moore or
Speaker 1: feel sympathy for her for a lot of reasons. But
Speaker 1: did you ever lack sympathy for her? I never thought
Speaker 1: about her. I've read a lot of actress's memoirs, and
Speaker 1: they make me think about actresses as people in a
Speaker 1: way that is like sometimes illuminating and sometimes disillusion ing.
Speaker 1: He's just never I've never been that drawn to the
Speaker 1: actress memoir in general. I had to read a lot
Speaker 1: for work, I think, is why I read them. But
Speaker 1: they tend to have good gossip in them. But also
Speaker 1: it's like some people are much smarter and more interesting
Speaker 1: than you would ever think, and other people are the opposite.
Speaker 1: And Demi Moore is much smarter and more interesting than
Speaker 1: you would think. Also, the story of her and Bruce
Speaker 1: Willis falling in love is legit very romantic. She she
Speaker 1: and Emilio Esteves are engaged and then he breaks it
Speaker 1: off because he Um. But she goes to like Emilio
Speaker 1: Esteveza's Premier for steak out, and I think that's where
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis picks her up. UM on a date with
Speaker 1: her boyfriend UM, and he picks her up by doing
Speaker 1: flare bartending. God yes, and she's like, I know it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound cool, but you have to believe me in
Speaker 1: this was the coolest thing. I think flare bartending is
Speaker 1: extremely cool. It is cool and shouldn't see it. She
Speaker 1: was a bartender before he did Moonlighting and then he like,
Speaker 1: he's just kind of a bartender and they were both
Speaker 1: like poor kids who then became really really wealthy, and
Speaker 1: she was like and then it solved nothing about all
Speaker 1: the trauma. But on their first date he drops her
Speaker 1: off and then she's like driving home being like, what
Speaker 1: a great date? Who is that guy? I wonder if
Speaker 1: I'll see him again? And then his limo pulls up
Speaker 1: alongside her with his crew on the pch with his
Speaker 1: gang of partiers including Woody Harrelson and John Goodman. What
Speaker 1: and they're all like, get your girl, Bruno because everybody
Speaker 1: calls Bruce Um, that's great. I wish it ended there,
Speaker 1: and then I read it. They were just like two
Speaker 1: pages about that. They get married in vegas Um and
Speaker 1: then Paramount offers to pay for a wedding because it's
Speaker 1: such a publicity stunt. So then they get married on
Speaker 1: a Paramount sound stage by Little Richard, and that's where
Speaker 1: it takes a turn for the depressing. Maybe getting married
Speaker 1: on a sound stage is rough. It sounds depressing, but
Speaker 1: you have to understand she came from such poverty that
Speaker 1: that was like something she thought was like really glamorous
Speaker 1: in some way. Or she was like, it's going to
Speaker 1: help my career, and like, I'm an actress. It's fine,
Speaker 1: you're paying for it. But they got married in vegas Um.
Speaker 1: I can't deny that. Well, then it turns out he
Speaker 1: doesn't really want her to work that much, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we should have talked about stuff more before we got married.
Speaker 1: A while. I haven't gotten up to the planet Hollywood
Speaker 1: years yet, but uh so, anyway, Denny Moore's Inside Out
Speaker 1: recommend did by one third of the podcast I Will
Speaker 1: Convert You I read. I think the last celebrity memoir
Speaker 1: I read was Cameron Diaz. Is maybe that was a
Speaker 1: while ago. I signed for Grantland and then it was
Speaker 1: like unassigned because I was at first i opened it,
Speaker 1: it's this happens frequently with me, where I'm like, I'll
Speaker 1: love this based on the first page. And the first
Speaker 1: page was like when you wake up in the morning,
Speaker 1: you should drink it was some obscene amount of water.
Speaker 1: It was like water. And I did it for like
Speaker 1: two days and I was like, this is brilliant, this
Speaker 1: is great. I feel great. And then it's like on
Speaker 1: day three, You're like, it's just so much book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her health book is crazy. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: memoir that had started with about drinking water in it
Speaker 1: was a memoir. Cameron. Yeah, Cameron Dial has also kind
Speaker 1: of underrated as an actress. Oh, she's fantastic, but she's
Speaker 1: been enigma. She will she doesn't let you into Some
Speaker 1: people are just avatars. They're like, you know, they're not
Speaker 1: a big personality. Off, she's an aquatar. Some people know
Speaker 1: their strength is not being a person. Yeah, they're the
Speaker 1: real world. I was going to say a vestibule. If
Speaker 1: that's not a human vestibule to be walked through. Oh
Speaker 1: did you guys see Natasha Leone I'm sorry where I
Speaker 1: know we're like going proxen to social media. But did
Speaker 1: you see that she posted a diagram of why ghosts
Speaker 1: go through walls? No, but I used Natasha Leone like
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago in my example of a person who
Speaker 1: wouldn't be crushed by Hollywood because they had the self
Speaker 1: esteem to withstand it. Is it the self esteem? I
Speaker 1: think I don't know what Hollywood. For a while, I
Speaker 1: think she was. I think she's on the contrast, were all, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think like it's very understandable, like she I
Speaker 1: was just saying, I think a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are actors, how are like have no self esteem? But
Speaker 1: don't you want to know why ghosts can walk through Okay,
Speaker 1: it's because they're walking based on the original floor plan
Speaker 1: of whatever a building that was on the plot of
Speaker 1: land that they are haunting, because you, as we know,
Speaker 1: they're wedded to the plot. So whatever house was originally
Speaker 1: there when the ghost was alive, they're like, oh, here's
Speaker 1: the stairs and here's the doorway, even though maybe there's
Speaker 1: no stairs no doorway anymore. So they're just they have
Speaker 1: to like go the way that they're used to go.
Speaker 1: Architects have so much power right over over the beyond.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Yeah, it's like alchemy. I thought
Speaker 1: it was because they're vaporous and they can pass through walls.
Speaker 1: But why would they because they are used to They're
Speaker 1: just retreading. That's all they feel like doing is just retreading.
Speaker 1: I don't blame them, like it's it's what's comfortable, or
Speaker 1: like they're like getting so mad. They're like I'm going
Speaker 1: to jump through this hole. That could be I mean,
Speaker 1: they're just they could be. It could be an expressive thing.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I was totally felt that that
Speaker 1: was a good scientific explanations. They drink fifteen cups of water. Honestly,
Speaker 1: can you imagine right when you wake up? But I
Speaker 1: don't know liquid and I don't know if anybody actually no,
Speaker 1: I do. My husband wakes up in the morning and
Speaker 1: drinks water. To me, it's so disgusting in the morning.
Speaker 1: Our friend, yeah, I have to drink something with a taste.
Speaker 1: It can't be water. Water in the morning is grossed
Speaker 1: create along without a bottle. That how how much water
Speaker 1: you're supposed to drink every day, and it's so much.
Speaker 1: You can drink too much water poisoning I'm drinking water
Speaker 1: right now, but honestly, like I'm not enjoying it at all,
Speaker 1: especially because I'm sick. It's just terrible. Speaking of ghosts, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a haunted email about a haunted place we
Speaker 1: talked about last week, Winnipeg. Yes, we got an email
Speaker 1: from Ryle in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Um and Ryle writes to us,
Speaker 1: since you name dropped Winni bag in your episode with Chris,
Speaker 1: I thought it would be good to talk about a
Speaker 1: couple of surreal aspects about the city. Are you guys
Speaker 1: ready to learn about Winnipeg? Yeah? Of course that was me,
Speaker 1: That wasn't Ryle. Okay. So first, there's the Hamilton's House.
Speaker 1: The Hamilton's House belonged to a Dr Hamilton's that, like
Speaker 1: many people in the early twentieth century, was into the
Speaker 1: spiritualist movement. The house became a place where medium psychics
Speaker 1: and the like which showcase their abilities. So Arthur Conan
Speaker 1: Doyle made a visit and they even took photos of
Speaker 1: the seances and psychic sessions, including in demonstration of a
Speaker 1: table being moved by telekinesis. Supposedly, the house still stands
Speaker 1: today and surprisingly no mention of any hauntings. A Lincoln
Speaker 1: article about it. If you ever want to read more
Speaker 1: details or just to look at the photos and you
Speaker 1: can judge them yourself. I'd like to believe some of
Speaker 1: them are real, but I'm kind of a skeptic at heart.
Speaker 1: And then uh second second fun Winnipeg fact. IF Day
Speaker 1: in two there was a simulation of a Nazi invasion
Speaker 1: during wartime, appropriately called IF Day, where volunteer actors dressed
Speaker 1: in Nazi uniform staged an invasion that was reminiscent of
Speaker 1: the invasions in Europe, along with the sounds of gunfire,
Speaker 1: news articles and radio broadcasts, and the day culminated in
Speaker 1: what was essentially was a fundraiser for victory bonds. This
Speaker 1: is It was referenced in the movie My Winnipeg, which
Speaker 1: is directed by Guy Madden, who is like the David
Speaker 1: Lynch of Canada or just or just Manitoba if he
Speaker 1: liked silent films in expressionism. Oh guy Madden being from Manitoba.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, He's like, yeah, everything shout out to
Speaker 1: Guy Madden, shout out IF Day. That's insane, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: But it sounds it just sounds like a different version
Speaker 1: of a lot of active shooter drills now. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I saw something like in my neighborhood today that was
Speaker 1: like emergency event drilled. Yeah, there's an emergency preparedness drill
Speaker 1: this weekend. Also, a bunch of blue angels flying over
Speaker 1: Hollywood right now is always a little um. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's like one thing to prepare people
Speaker 1: for a bad situation, like say a Nazi invasion. I
Speaker 1: would say that America would be in a better place
Speaker 1: right now if we'd been prepared for a Nazi invasion
Speaker 1: sometime in the last several years. But it's not just that,
Speaker 1: like the practicalities of it, but it's like the relashing
Speaker 1: and the causeplay of it, which is so creepy to me.
Speaker 1: That's what's creepy about Civil War re enact Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but like I don't know, have you guys ever been
Speaker 1: not to get too dark here early in the show,
Speaker 1: but have you guys ever been in like an active
Speaker 1: shooter drill in the last several years? My children have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was really I heard about this on air talk
Speaker 1: with Larry Mantle. Shout out Larry Mantle. I forgot that
Speaker 1: Larry Mantle is like one of my radio here heroes
Speaker 1: here on eight nine point three KPCC. But um he
Speaker 1: there was a there was a whole segment about like
Speaker 1: how much are these just traumatizing kids for no really
Speaker 1: scary ad about it? Oh the every town at the
Speaker 1: one that's like back to school season? That wasn't every
Speaker 1: every town is phenomenal. I I love every town? Um
Speaker 1: And I thought that, yeah, that but it made me cry.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. It just comes up when you're watching
Speaker 1: a TV show and you're like, uh yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the schools out here try
Speaker 1: to handle them as sensitively as they can, considering that
Speaker 1: they really have to introduce a horrible concept to like
Speaker 1: five year olds. Um, but I it's hard because like
Speaker 1: you're getting a lot of the information from your kid
Speaker 1: about like what's happening, and then you have to figure
Speaker 1: out what do you tell atomic bomb drill? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they were talking about. They're like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: kids in the fifties had a similar thing that was like,
Speaker 1: but it's like so much more existential. I think like
Speaker 1: the idea of a bomb versus the active shooter also
Speaker 1: consistential in different ways. It also it makes possible. The
Speaker 1: fact that the person who's shooting is someone who attends
Speaker 1: your school. I think that's the really frightening thing is
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's it's really awful. But there I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been in a couple now really at different offices
Speaker 1: that I've worked at, and there are some where you
Speaker 1: get the sense that the person whose job it is
Speaker 1: to do the active shooter training like really gets off
Speaker 1: on their job, like they love imagining being in a scenario. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of proper type people. They're all like former cops.
Speaker 1: And there was one where you watched this video. I
Speaker 1: can't remember where this was, and it's probably for the
Speaker 1: best that I don't say what workplace it was that,
Speaker 1: but um, there was a video that was like it
Speaker 1: was like showing the scenario, like it was like an
Speaker 1: office building and then everybody starts running around and and
Speaker 1: they're playing like this like like Mission Impossible type music
Speaker 1: over it, and like and they're like, this isn't a
Speaker 1: scene from an actual Hollywood action movie. This could happen
Speaker 1: in your work. Maybe I did see a video yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like not horrible. Um yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's even like to even make that connection in that
Speaker 1: context to be like, you know, like movie stuff like
Speaker 1: getting shot. This is different. It's just like it's just
Speaker 1: such a weird Did you guys see the simulator where
Speaker 1: you have to fire the old man? An? He cries?
Speaker 1: Know what's that? It's like a simulator for people that
Speaker 1: have to go around doing layoffs. And it's like, tell
Speaker 1: this old man he doesn't have a job anymore. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, no, my thing. Wait did you have
Speaker 1: to do this? No? No, my friend just told me
Speaker 1: about it, because it was like, oh my god. In
Speaker 1: the news, Um, every day is IF day here in America.
Speaker 1: In Canada they have a specific day for IF day.
Speaker 1: That's nice. They allowed for chaos. Oh man. I actually
Speaker 1: saw the scariest tweet. I think it was Gabe delah
Speaker 1: Hay who tweeted like Donald Trump should just sign the
Speaker 1: purge into action right now. Please don't even it's so
Speaker 1: scary because sometimes something like that gets said and I'm like,
Speaker 1: put it back in your brain, let it out in
Speaker 1: the world. I don't know how I felt about that one,
Speaker 1: because he was like and he should be like, and like,
Speaker 1: it absolves me of all my crimes because they were
Speaker 1: all done on Purge days. Oh my god. Okay, speaking
Speaker 1: of the nightmare hell World. We'll be back after an
Speaker 1: ad with more talk about I switching. Welcome back. We
Speaker 1: are going to talk today about the Stanley Kubrick film,
Speaker 1: the last Stanley Kubrick film, Eyes Wide chut Um, on
Speaker 1: the occasion of I guess the entire year nineteen but
Speaker 1: particularly uh the Jeoffrey Epstein case and um attendant horrors
Speaker 1: of nineties underground millionaire sex cults, billionaire sex cults. Maybe, um,
Speaker 1: we all watched Eyes Wide Shut recently we rewatched it,
Speaker 1: and um, I hadn't seen it. Maybe in a couple
Speaker 1: of years. I think I do this one kind of
Speaker 1: like maybe every two years. I would say, it stays
Speaker 1: pretty fresh. And I watched it like once a month. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we went on to go to sleep. How is that? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to answer this, but like,
Speaker 1: what does that do for your relationship? Nothing bad if
Speaker 1: you're confident in it. Not like we we were talking
Speaker 1: for a minute about starting an eyewide Shot podcast and
Speaker 1: then we were like that would break us up. Like
Speaker 1: if we started a whole eyeswde could do the like
Speaker 1: the Shining one where it's like one minute because you're
Speaker 1: thinking about it for like a second that we're like,
Speaker 1: we would kill each other, yeah and hate the movie
Speaker 1: after a while. So, um, well, the most recent eyes
Speaker 1: Wide Shut like topical thing that I remember coming through
Speaker 1: my feed was the tweet I think that you you
Speaker 1: forwarded to me, Actually, Molly, that was basically somebody saying, um,
Speaker 1: Stanley Kuber died right before the release of Eye Eyes
Speaker 1: Wide Shot for the same reason that bungled the release
Speaker 1: of Under the Silver Way. Yeah, which is pretty amazing
Speaker 1: once you get what we will call Epstein brain. Uh,
Speaker 1: it just sort of does, like in fact, the way
Speaker 1: you think about everything. And then you know, when I
Speaker 1: watched next week's feature JFK and I realized that was
Speaker 1: just Boomer Epstein brain, which just JFK conspiracy brain. You
Speaker 1: do maybe start to see patterns where they don't even
Speaker 1: necessarily exist, uh, but also some patterns you wish you
Speaker 1: could unsee. So the the actual reported like factual connection
Speaker 1: between Eyes Wide Shut and Jeffrey Epstein is that Larry Salona,
Speaker 1: who has broken a lot of the stories on Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein for The Post. He's like a long long time
Speaker 1: post report or new York Post report. That's how he
Speaker 1: got the job on I Swide Shut is because he
Speaker 1: was like, uh, like a total like WEGI crime scene
Speaker 1: reporter who reports on like people killing their mistresses and
Speaker 1: dumping the bodies and the kind of stuff that happens
Speaker 1: in the movie Eyes Wide Shut. And then uh, he
Speaker 1: wrote the story about Jeffrey Epstein committing suicide that a
Speaker 1: lot of people think was a plant to cover up
Speaker 1: whatever really happened, Epstein dying in a jail cell, which
Speaker 1: we will never know is broke um. And then a
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, I watched that's a documentary.
Speaker 1: When you mean by a lot of people, you mean
Speaker 1: you that was I think even I thought it was
Speaker 1: a documentary before all this happened. I was kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be I plausible sort of factory ready detail.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, this is all real. I
Speaker 1: think there's something about this movie that I always took
Speaker 1: a total face value. I think, like, there are certain things.
Speaker 1: I think. The interesting thing to think about for me
Speaker 1: is like not doubting that this kind of thing ever
Speaker 1: happens regularly, um, but that it probably looks a lot
Speaker 1: less cinematic Because Stanley Koper doesn't direct it um like
Speaker 1: the whole, like the whole very famous scene of Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise coming in while they're doing the ritual and the
Speaker 1: naked ladies and the crazy music and everything. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's so like, its like it has a physical effect
Speaker 1: on me. It feels like my head's about yeah while
Speaker 1: I'm watching it, but I'm also like, the real version
Speaker 1: of this is so and gross and sad, even if
Speaker 1: it's at a billionaire's home. It's like, I just don't
Speaker 1: like thinking that was like the horrible feeling I got
Speaker 1: when I saw those pictures of Jolayne's apartment, you know,
Speaker 1: with the mask on the wall, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is what it's really like, is like a creepy
Speaker 1: town house and a creepy woman who makes you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable and then shuts and locks all the doors. But
Speaker 1: there's something about those town houses, those rich people town houses,
Speaker 1: that I've always found just so claustrophobic that this movie,
Speaker 1: uh is very good at conveying that whole like creepy
Speaker 1: Manhattan feeling fake Manhattan. Yeah. That's also the other bizarre
Speaker 1: aspect of this movie is that it was shot both
Speaker 1: on a sound stage and just like I think on
Speaker 1: streets in London, uh and not in New York, so
Speaker 1: it's like Tinewoods. Yeah. Um. But there is some stuff
Speaker 1: that like like the locations, like the the like the
Speaker 1: costume shop and stuff like that. That's all I think
Speaker 1: that's on location because it's like all very specifically British
Speaker 1: like everything. There's like to let signs and there's like
Speaker 1: and it's a fancy dress shop. Is that because it
Speaker 1: was based on a story that was because Stanley Kubrick
Speaker 1: won't take place, he won't get okay, I need Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew that too, But I mean like the the
Speaker 1: like little touches of like for let was it just
Speaker 1: to be kind of like a weird nowhere place and
Speaker 1: there's a specifically New York. I mean if that's intentional,
Speaker 1: it's pretty smart because it does give you this weird,
Speaker 1: dreamy feeling how you're watching it. It's like the shining
Speaker 1: where you can make yourself insane, just like looking at
Speaker 1: every detail of every scene and being like it's telling
Speaker 1: me something. Although I did just see there was a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff in Midsummer that I totally miss, Like
Speaker 1: what there's a bunch of like images of her dead
Speaker 1: sister in the trees. Somebody posted a screen cap of
Speaker 1: like it's like when she is like tripping out and
Speaker 1: looking at the trees and stuff, there's like this hidden
Speaker 1: image of her, of her sister with like the hose
Speaker 1: hooked up to her face. It's terrified. So re watch
Speaker 1: me in summer. But if you dare, this movie also
Speaker 1: feels like that where you're like, if I keep watching it,
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out. Like Zodiac, Um, do you want
Speaker 1: to do? You want to do a quick little recap
Speaker 1: of it for people who said this movie about a
Speaker 1: doctor and his wife played by Tom Cruise Nicole Kidman,
Speaker 1: when they were still there, still married. She tells him
Speaker 1: that he understands nothing about women's sexuality, and then he
Speaker 1: goes on a night cruise all night, after hours, trying
Speaker 1: to get late. Well, one of the things I learned
Speaker 1: about this movie was that it was originally pitched as
Speaker 1: kind of an after hours It's supposed to be more
Speaker 1: of like a comedy, and it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: made in the eighties, uh, starring Steve Martin. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it too, But it's like
Speaker 1: it is like it has the same plot as the
Speaker 1: movie like Booty Call, which is like you're trying to
Speaker 1: get late all night and you can't because things keep
Speaker 1: getting in your way, and that's what makes it like
Speaker 1: an anxiety dream where it's like you're trying to achieve
Speaker 1: this task but like you can't, or like Harold and Kumar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the best movies take place over one night, but
Speaker 1: there is something about this movie. I think that like
Speaker 1: none of the time makes sense in it, which again
Speaker 1: adds to the weirdness of the got a weird reception
Speaker 1: when it came out, but I also counted as like
Speaker 1: a movie like show Girls, where it's like people were
Speaker 1: mad because they thought it was going to be erotic,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, no, it's a movie about sex
Speaker 1: as a commodity, and how an eroticized like that can be. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's not like it's like it is cold and sort
Speaker 1: of not warm. Yeah. Well, to use really smart words, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, I guess this is one of
Speaker 1: my more basic film opinions. But I like, I truly
Speaker 1: love Stanley Kubrick, like I I genuinely like he's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite directors of all time. Weird, I know, um,
Speaker 1: but I think, like, what is amazing about this film
Speaker 1: is that I think you could you could categorize it
Speaker 1: as an erotic thriller, one of our favorite genres, totally
Speaker 1: a night call. But it does feel it kind of
Speaker 1: feels like if a woman directed an erotic thriller, because
Speaker 1: it is so psychological and it's so if I write
Speaker 1: directed an neurotic killer, just be like dicks the whole time.
Speaker 1: Well now I'm not talking about like what's on its
Speaker 1: mind and and the way it depicts the relationship between
Speaker 1: um Nicole and Tom and just the whole like even
Speaker 1: before it gets into the crazy stuff, just the party
Speaker 1: seem it just it feels so intelligently, uh just executed
Speaker 1: like it's just so I think it's just so tuned
Speaker 1: into both of them in a way that's like her
Speaker 1: acting is also bizarre and it's so weird. I love it,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's so but it makes you just
Speaker 1: hyper aware of everything that she's saying and like going
Speaker 1: through and stuff because it's just like what is she doing?
Speaker 1: I have to say that I cannot find an emotional
Speaker 1: like foothold in this movie. Really. Yeah, well because especially
Speaker 1: so at the party and then the following the argument
Speaker 1: where she gets really high and has this kind of
Speaker 1: like I think she's great, but I cannot understand, like
Speaker 1: because she goes immediately to such a high emotional intensity
Speaker 1: and she's so high that I'm kind of like wanted
Speaker 1: to be funnier or like make more sense to me,
Speaker 1: but I can't. It's it's I don't identify at all
Speaker 1: with either of them. I'm like, who am I love
Speaker 1: to latch Onto? So uncomfortable. It's a very uncomfortable movie,
Speaker 1: That's what I like. I think it's interesting. I just
Speaker 1: never feel anything for it. Well. I feel like people
Speaker 1: say that a lot about Kuber movies, like it's not emotional. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way. I mean, I it's probably
Speaker 1: uly either a tricky Kubrick for me, but I'm still
Speaker 1: interested in it. I mean honestly, like I love them.
Speaker 1: I love all of them, but this one. But it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't what's your actual favorite. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like I want to say, like two thousand one,
Speaker 1: but I also don't want to, like, like one of
Speaker 1: the best movies, but it's it's hard to talk about Kubrick.
Speaker 1: You're like, I want to say that it's like a
Speaker 1: favorite movie and be like Spartacus. But it's like I
Speaker 1: wanted to love Eyes Whide Shut much more than I
Speaker 1: ever did, but I can still appreciate it. But like
Speaker 1: just f y, I was watching Eyes Wide Shut the
Speaker 1: other night, turned it off, turned on Under the Silver
Speaker 1: Lake again. My neighbor was driving by and it was
Speaker 1: late at night, and she saw like on her one
Speaker 1: way trip part of Eyes White Shut and then on
Speaker 1: her way home Under the Silver Lake and she was like,
Speaker 1: what are you watching? And I was like, well, Eyes
Speaker 1: Wide Shut and Under the Silver Lake and she was
Speaker 1: just like, okay, you're on a journey. That's okay. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'll get curtains. I guess. I love when
Speaker 1: you're watching a movie like That's like I feel like
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen anymore because now people just watch on computers.
Speaker 1: But I remember like watching Russ Meyer's movies like on
Speaker 1: the main TV and in college and other people being like,
Speaker 1: what are you watching? What are you doing? Hey? What
Speaker 1: do you do? It? It's a not a soft court, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it is sort of, but I mean come
Speaker 1: by in five minutes, yeah, yeah, I mean I yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never cried. I mean, I guess I get the
Speaker 1: charge of Kubrick being emotionally chill, and I think some
Speaker 1: of his films live up to that more than others.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, this movie is pretty emotional
Speaker 1: for me, but it's like on a it's like on
Speaker 1: a it's like on a post human level. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I also think I can never connect with Tom Cruise. Really.
Speaker 1: I think maybe that's that's really the main Magnolia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like him in Magna. He's I like him in Magnolia,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, and maybe this is because of
Speaker 1: like Zeno or something, but I feel like I cannot
Speaker 1: see past the thing that is armoring him, you know,
Speaker 1: like he wants you to see this. I like a
Speaker 1: lot of like big eighties actors, I feel like who
Speaker 1: I encountered. Later, I was totally did not get Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: And then when I went back and watched Risky Business,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I mean yeah, when you look
Speaker 1: at like really young Time and honestly, parts of Vanilla
Speaker 1: Sky like much as that movie. We should do a
Speaker 1: big Question Feelings, but I hate it, but I can't
Speaker 1: like go. We should have Cameron crow Onto talk about
Speaker 1: Vanilla Scott Cameron Crew on the horn here. I feel
Speaker 1: like we can get him on the horn. I just
Speaker 1: also would like to hear what he thinks about it,
Speaker 1: because I think it's just like sometimes you make a
Speaker 1: movie and it doesn't come out like you thought it were, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that movie's got some super interesting stuff and it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's not different from Eyes Wide Shut and and they
Speaker 1: came out somewhat close to And it's just that it
Speaker 1: came out right after Almost Famous, which obviously we all
Speaker 1: like love a lot, you know, so do you not
Speaker 1: love it? It worked on me. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I haven't watched. And I thought about it so much
Speaker 1: when I was interviewing Lona Delray the other day, because
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, here's the Almost Famous experience you
Speaker 1: like want of, Like you can't just try to be
Speaker 1: friends with somebody you like are obsessed with the party.
Speaker 1: This is the thing. Is that, like, in terms of
Speaker 1: movies you think about despite not connecting with Eyes Wide Shut,
Speaker 1: I certainly think about it, Like there are things where
Speaker 1: I'm like that Eyes Why, like with Vanilla Skuy were
Speaker 1: still talking about Vanilla more than anybody. I wish you
Speaker 1: guys to bring it back to Karintinas exactly. Look at
Speaker 1: this part where she drives them off a bridge, and
Speaker 1: she's like, it's been like a running joke for testing
Speaker 1: since that movie came. Literally all he made me see it.
Speaker 1: It's an eternal line, it is. There's so much in
Speaker 1: there that just doesn't make any set. It's just it's
Speaker 1: such a funny because it's some jewels and gym and
Speaker 1: then and they're like, it was repeating all the movies
Speaker 1: in your brain. I love, I love what that movie
Speaker 1: did to me. It's like I just look, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it goes for something. Yeah, you know, but I
Speaker 1: will say to bring it back to Cruiz, I it
Speaker 1: doesn't quite work for me in this movie. He generally
Speaker 1: doesn't work for me. The times he works for me
Speaker 1: are when I think that people really have a handle
Speaker 1: on how to work with what you're talking about, that
Speaker 1: like outer thing that he wants to project, like an
Speaker 1: exo skeleton. Yeah, and he has. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: playing with somebody's intentions and working them, like working somebody's
Speaker 1: intentions to be your attentions or something like. I think
Speaker 1: if you're directing Tom Cruise, that's like a weird needle
Speaker 1: you have to thread, just from like that's my armchair
Speaker 1: opinion from having watched him in movies, like I love
Speaker 1: him in Magnolia. I think that that's like a smart
Speaker 1: use of him. And I love him in Collateral, Like
Speaker 1: Collateral Tom Cruise, like genuinely literal, what's wrong with all
Speaker 1: of us? Were like, you know, it's hot Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: in Collateral and Magnolia. I didn't say I know it
Speaker 1: was hot, but he was hot in Collateral. I was
Speaker 1: over at my Collateral. I thought he was fantastic in Magnolia,
Speaker 1: like young young Tom Cruise, Like sure, young Cruise didn't
Speaker 1: do anything, didn't have that, but oh but he didn't
Speaker 1: have the crust, like he was like just a person
Speaker 1: without this like like I'm a celebrity and I'm very
Speaker 1: good at engage with you. It's like you're not You're
Speaker 1: not about mission impossible. I think what we're talking about
Speaker 1: is like there's Tom Cruise the actor and Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: the movie star, and sometimes you get the actor, and
Speaker 1: I do feel like you get the actor. I do,
Speaker 1: but this is the thing. I think you get the
Speaker 1: parts where he's been I was just like I wanted
Speaker 1: to have a drinking game. For every time he says
Speaker 1: I'm a doctor in this movie, it's like, should we
Speaker 1: all have be doctors so we can get into any
Speaker 1: like club, costume shop. There's a lot of reasons we
Speaker 1: should all be Yeah, like that's that's like number seventies
Speaker 1: seven on the list. But but I think all of
Speaker 1: that stuff he does really well, and he's really well
Speaker 1: suited for. And I think it's interesting to pose that
Speaker 1: that persona and that that artifice that he does as
Speaker 1: something that can get deconstructed over the course of the movie,
Speaker 1: or like get threatened at least, And I just don't
Speaker 1: think he plays the threatened part of it. Like I
Speaker 1: don't ever buy that his world like falls apart in
Speaker 1: this movie in the way that I think it should,
Speaker 1: in the way that I believe like the movie is selling.
Speaker 1: But I don't like that he's selling it. You want
Speaker 1: to see him like fall apart more or I just
Speaker 1: want to see some of that, let go of some
Speaker 1: of the because even when he's like beans sad, I
Speaker 1: just don't. I still don't. I still see the shell.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know who was supposed to play
Speaker 1: at the Sydney Pollock part in the eighties version, would
Speaker 1: you allen? Oh my god, somebody told me that apparently
Speaker 1: there were even more Jeffrey Epstein jokes cut out of
Speaker 1: thirty Rock uh, and that they were just like in
Speaker 1: it all the time, um, and that everybody in New
Speaker 1: York knew about it. So I do think there are
Speaker 1: things like this where everybody knows about it. It's like
Speaker 1: an open secret among a certain group of people, and
Speaker 1: you get away with it because it sounds so fucking insane. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's also like if it's just a sex party, it's
Speaker 1: also like, sure, what else is new in New York
Speaker 1: is less fucked up than the Epstein scandal? That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Like they're not they're I mean it's still fucked up obviously.
Speaker 1: Well they kill people, but they kill sex workers. But
Speaker 1: before they're not trafficking children, right Yeah. And it like
Speaker 1: when there's a threat, Like it was really interesting to
Speaker 1: watch this time around because it's just like when the
Speaker 1: threat start coming his way and when they know his
Speaker 1: name and they tell him to back off, it's just
Speaker 1: like or what, like what it's just a nightmare. It's
Speaker 1: a nightmare. It's like trying to figure out It's like
Speaker 1: Russian dollar you're like trying to figure out what you
Speaker 1: have to do and it doesn't matter because it's a dream.
Speaker 1: And like when he goes to the sex party, it's
Speaker 1: like all of the women look the same and they
Speaker 1: all look just like Nicole Kidman, like in terms of
Speaker 1: the body type. You know, It's like it just feels
Speaker 1: like a weird, paranoid sex dream about being in a
Speaker 1: long marriage and being like, I'm attracted to other people,
Speaker 1: but the idea that my wife is attracted to other
Speaker 1: people like fox my whole life up or at least
Speaker 1: your night or at least maybe the pot is just
Speaker 1: making you paranoid. Yeah, I love that part. But I
Speaker 1: also just remember seeing the trailer for this movie. The
Speaker 1: trailer was horny. Well I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: be so different based on the trailer because that Chris
Speaker 1: Isaac song is like the sexiest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: So it's like it can't live up to that song
Speaker 1: when it's like, no, no, are you just a del
Speaker 1: rey and she needs Also Chris Isaac is just like
Speaker 1: his music is very I am not turned on by
Speaker 1: the music of Chris. What you were just going to say, Like,
Speaker 1: I'll admit that that song is like a horny song
Speaker 1: on its face. How do you feel about rockabilly in general?
Speaker 1: I'm okay with rockabilly. What do you think is the
Speaker 1: sexiest music like ever in the world? Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's she personal. When we hit our three thousands,
Speaker 1: will say what the sexiest music in the world is,
Speaker 1: somber mix will be the mix of the sexiest music
Speaker 1: in the world sexce novembermember, Oh my god, I'm okay.
Speaker 1: They're just to scare people and be like what if
Speaker 1: I listening to and then we'll go back to the
Speaker 1: sexy stuff. Okay, So this is a good question though. Okay,
Speaker 1: so do you think that the music is diegetic in
Speaker 1: the sex ritual scene, because so there's the stuff that
Speaker 1: he's playing, like Nick Nightingale is like a Yama like
Speaker 1: but that's like that's like the opening of it. But
Speaker 1: then I feel like I feel like some of what
Speaker 1: we're hearing is not diegetic. But like it's interesting to
Speaker 1: think about it all being like him to have all
Speaker 1: those patches and his keyboards and thing about the Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein Temple where that article came out there for the
Speaker 1: interviewed a lot of people to figure out like what
Speaker 1: was the temple for on the Highland, and it turned
Speaker 1: out it was a piano room because they found somebody
Speaker 1: would tune the piano in the room. They found like
Speaker 1: more than one person who said, I've been in the room,
Speaker 1: it's like a performance space or whatever. Doesn't mean it's
Speaker 1: not also a sex dungeon. But I guess this also
Speaker 1: just seems like very old world New York to me.
Speaker 1: The idea that like to get people to have a
Speaker 1: party you have to gather around a piano in like
Speaker 1: a very expensive room. Wasn't that just like an eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties thing. No, I think it's I feel like
Speaker 1: if you have a piano, you're going to make people
Speaker 1: do that. Well, it's like it's like a like pre
Speaker 1: recorded music thing, like after dinner, like my daughter, my
Speaker 1: oldest daughter is going for you, and so you'll agree
Speaker 1: to marry her or whatever. Thinking of like fifties nightclubs
Speaker 1: like that was the big thing in the Dino book,
Speaker 1: was like people were like, oh, you know, records are
Speaker 1: going to put the nighttime entertainment. Even in high school,
Speaker 1: I feel like I went to some like fancy friends
Speaker 1: parties where someone would play the piano and then everyone
Speaker 1: would kind of have to go and always theater party.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody else I know just got invited to
Speaker 1: an adult woman's birthday party that was like recreating her
Speaker 1: childhood parties where everybody would gather around a piano and
Speaker 1: first the feeling of dread that happens in me when
Speaker 1: someone's like, now we're all going like we are all
Speaker 1: going to Oh I hate that, and someone's going to
Speaker 1: play for us. I hate just want to be like,
Speaker 1: but what if I don't want to cry yes to
Speaker 1: this horrible arrangement. The most about the EWE shut universe
Speaker 1: is like the idea of having to do an activity
Speaker 1: at a party, yes, well, the idea that we're all
Speaker 1: on the same page here. It's like when people are like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're all really fucked up, time to play Mafia. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: the parties. You say this, but you just hate games. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like a game and ice wedgeshut.
Speaker 1: It feels like now I'm going to walk slowly arm
Speaker 1: in arm with somebody and wear a mask and it's
Speaker 1: not going to feel like like none of the sexy
Speaker 1: stuff feels sexy at all because it feels so ritualized
Speaker 1: it feels like such a like act that's being put
Speaker 1: on that I feel like it doesn't have any it's
Speaker 1: like just it's just the utilitary at that point, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like for the purpose of a ritual. It's like
Speaker 1: people are getting off on the ritual more than on
Speaker 1: the sex, which is very real. I guess. It's also
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of logistics involved in that many
Speaker 1: people having sex to choreograph. Also, it's like when you're
Speaker 1: I was like looking at a lot of the background
Speaker 1: players and a lot of like c g I placed
Speaker 1: in people in front of people who are boning. But
Speaker 1: like like if you're just there and you're not having
Speaker 1: sex and you're just watching somebody having sex, and you're
Speaker 1: there like with another sex worker, and you're just supposed
Speaker 1: to like stand against each other just so like there's
Speaker 1: the best episode of Party Down about that they have
Speaker 1: the party and they're like talking about how much it
Speaker 1: sucks to cater the party, and the woman who has
Speaker 1: to stand there with a mask with their tips out
Speaker 1: is like you think your jobs. But I feel that
Speaker 1: way about a lot of like people who have to
Speaker 1: entertain naked. It's like it becomes very second nature to
Speaker 1: you too in a minute. But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: like other people aren't going to be like that's what
Speaker 1: it was like at Avien. It's like everyone's just naked.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem sexual to them. It's just sexual to
Speaker 1: the guys that are coming in and being like damn,
Speaker 1: like no bras, it's below me. Um. I want to
Speaker 1: talk real quick because I think one of the things
Speaker 1: I've always liked about this movie or that was interesting
Speaker 1: about in this movie, besides the sex stuff, is like
Speaker 1: how it's about um like being and I'm stealing this
Speaker 1: from this point from my husband who watched it with
Speaker 1: me this last time, but like being being a one
Speaker 1: percenter versus being a point oh one percenter. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like that's also like maybe even more than the
Speaker 1: um like who has the biggest sex party UM thing,
Speaker 1: Like that's the that's like the status thing that's running
Speaker 1: through it all, like about like class anxiety. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like there's the part that I remember like picking up
Speaker 1: on maybe one of one of the first times I
Speaker 1: watched is like when when Nicole Kim is like helping
Speaker 1: the kid um do the homework and is like explaining
Speaker 1: a word problem It's like Joe has two dollars and
Speaker 1: fifty cents and Ted has one dollar and seventy five cents,
Speaker 1: Like how much more money does Joe like? And that's
Speaker 1: what she's doing while like he's staring at her and
Speaker 1: just like having a meltdown. It's just like, can you
Speaker 1: think about somebody like Stanley Kubrick who's like not a
Speaker 1: rich kid from New York and you like ascend up
Speaker 1: into that part of New York and has always been
Speaker 1: like that's where I gotta get and then you get
Speaker 1: there and it's a nightmare. Yeah. Yeah, And it's like
Speaker 1: you can get you can get to a certain point
Speaker 1: like be a Ted or be a Tom Cruise where
Speaker 1: you're a doctor and you've got killer. You can get
Speaker 1: to a certain point where you can be the Zodiac killer.
Speaker 1: Uh no, but where you you know, like you're a
Speaker 1: doctor and you have rich clients and you get invited
Speaker 1: to fancy party, but you're not like at the upper
Speaker 1: echel and you're not the person throwing the party um
Speaker 1: or you're like a Nick nick Niel or you're just
Speaker 1: like you're invited into that space, but you're there as
Speaker 1: an employee um and you have to wear a blindfold
Speaker 1: for it, and I think like that those sorts of
Speaker 1: that sort of stratification of class and like who who
Speaker 1: ultimately gets to actually go to the sex party and
Speaker 1: how many people are there just being you know, human
Speaker 1: props is um. I don't know, it's like an interest.
Speaker 1: It's a very dreamlike illustration of I think like America.
Speaker 1: Orange also has the human furniture. Yeah, I love Clockwork Orange.
Speaker 1: Also talk about Second Twisted Man Clockwork Orange I saw
Speaker 1: and like, really that was like one of the first
Speaker 1: times I got too high. Just gonna you still have
Speaker 1: like flashbacks to that. That was just awful. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Clockwork Orange, but like I'm never really like
Speaker 1: I and I'll sit down and watch Clockwork. It's like no,
Speaker 1: just like with The Joker. I mean, even if like
Speaker 1: there's a part of me I'm not gonna lie that
Speaker 1: does want to see The Joker, it's just a big
Speaker 1: part of me that I'm like, I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it would do to write it's psycholo.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious that all these guys have probably like never
Speaker 1: just watch Clockwork Orange. Also who are defending it as
Speaker 1: this like piece of resistance of Edge Lord Cinema. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like there have been so many edgy like
Speaker 1: things that would not even like, would not even get
Speaker 1: on screen now like thing, and that's like what to
Speaker 1: bring it all back to easy writers surging balls yet again,
Speaker 1: That's like the big takeaway is like there's this moment
Speaker 1: for five seconds when people are like, we're going to
Speaker 1: get to make art movies in America the way they
Speaker 1: do in Europe because blow Up is like a big
Speaker 1: crossover hit, and then Jack Nicholson like immediately really early on,
Speaker 1: is like, oh, people didn't like blow Up because it
Speaker 1: had like crazy time stuff and jump cuts. It was
Speaker 1: because they showed a beaver shot and nobody in America
Speaker 1: had ever done that before. And that's what Hollywood took
Speaker 1: away from it was like, Okay, sex scenes and blood
Speaker 1: is like what we can do now, and there are
Speaker 1: people who made that interesting and I like a lot
Speaker 1: of like grungy grindhouse stuff, but doing it just like
Speaker 1: for its own sake can be really boring, especially because
Speaker 1: it's been done so much already, like torture porn movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you don't have anything to say with it, then
Speaker 1: it's like not it's not fun like to bring it
Speaker 1: back to the purge. Also, like you know, that's like
Speaker 1: one instance of something where it's like I can get
Speaker 1: through how bad it is if there's a point of
Speaker 1: view in there and if it has something interesting to say, Like,
Speaker 1: but there's so much stuff where it's just like repeating
Speaker 1: all the the external signifiers of darkness or something that.
Speaker 1: I mean like Texas Change saw Massacre is a great movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not that into Texas Change. Well, it's scary in
Speaker 1: a mood. Yeah, certain mood. We're we pick where the
Speaker 1: edge ends. Yeah, but we all lower it over. It's
Speaker 1: not that I know, it's not I don't find it
Speaker 1: too upset. I just kind of think it's boring. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like it's not the most intelligent movie. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: but okay, I just watched Shut Any other thoughts on
Speaker 1: see you literally watched this? How many times? I just
Speaker 1: need to know so much? Like how many times? Like
Speaker 1: literally throw it on to fall asleep, like every night,
Speaker 1: not every night, but like sometimes that just blows my mind,
Speaker 1: Like watch that and Zodiac to go to bed sometimes
Speaker 1: Zodiac I understand because yeah, because one of those things,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm just going to dip in for a
Speaker 1: little bit of Zodiac and they both have that like
Speaker 1: kind of like I'm half awake in a weird dream world.
Speaker 1: And also I don't really have nightmares because I smoke
Speaker 1: too much weed, so I'm not afraid of that right specifically. Um, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I only watched it like every couple
Speaker 1: of years. I'm like, I feel like I watched it
Speaker 1: two years ago and before that it might have been longer,
Speaker 1: but it's it's I think it's I feel like I
Speaker 1: want more movies like this on Slate, Like I I mean,
Speaker 1: not necessarily about the exact same thing, but I want
Speaker 1: more movies that like feel like this and talk about like, um,
Speaker 1: talk about these feelings in it in an interesting and like, uh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about the like express of the
Speaker 1: scorese Joker Marvel Discourse. Next week, when we've talked about that,
Speaker 1: I really doing JFK and Joker next week, we're gonna
Speaker 1: spread it out alright, cool, oh God, spooky sp October begins. JFK.
Speaker 1: We're getting all about out of our system before sex
Speaker 1: Dam's November. Let's do one last night, Yes nightcall a
Speaker 1: night call. Um, it's a little long, so we might
Speaker 1: have to edit it down. UM, but I will leave
Speaker 1: you with the night Fierce. Yeah, here we go. Hi,
Speaker 1: ladies of Nightfall. I love your show and it is
Speaker 1: five five on my evening commune in for Land, Oregon. Um. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just had to do that, but I was for
Speaker 1: me because I have had night terrors. Um. I don't
Speaker 1: have them anymore, but I had them for about when
Speaker 1: I started thinking about telling you guys about this, I
Speaker 1: did the math, and it's been sixteen years. That's how
Speaker 1: long I had them. So, Um, I would actually fall
Speaker 1: asleep and I would suddenly I would come from like
Speaker 1: a deep sleep state to a sort of in a
Speaker 1: weight the middle of the road state to where I
Speaker 1: knew I was um asleep, but I couldn't move and
Speaker 1: I was scaralized. I could see my It's like I
Speaker 1: could see out of my eyes, but I couldn't move
Speaker 1: my body. Absolutely terrifying. And Um. The way it would
Speaker 1: always play out is someone would be in the house,
Speaker 1: a man would be in the house, and then I
Speaker 1: could hear his footsteps walking closer and closer to me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he would even turn around and walk back down
Speaker 1: the hallway just to mess with me repeatedly. So I
Speaker 1: had these nightmares for like I say, sixteen years, and UM,
Speaker 1: the only way that I was ever able to successfully
Speaker 1: wake myself up from one was a I would. I
Speaker 1: found that you could take a super deep breath and somehow,
Speaker 1: maybe having something to do with being able to steal
Speaker 1: your body, that wouldn't be able to wake me up. UM.
Speaker 1: That worked a few times, and then finally one day,
Speaker 1: one lovely day, I UM had my last night terror
Speaker 1: when UM it was the same spario as always is.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys have a long machine. UM, And
Speaker 1: I felt sleep sometimes to w would hear this loud
Speaker 1: something in my ears? Anyway, I fell asleep, and UM,
Speaker 1: I started having the dream there was a man in
Speaker 1: the house and I heard him watching his footsteps towards
Speaker 1: the bedroom and I was latting there paralyzed and terrified
Speaker 1: and not able to move that he sat down on
Speaker 1: the bed next me, and I just had had it.
Speaker 1: I had my fill and I was like, listen here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say what I said, but I said,
Speaker 1: you get out of here, and get out of you know,
Speaker 1: do whatever it is you're gonna do. Or get out
Speaker 1: of my life because I'm sick of putting up your
Speaker 1: bull chet. And then I stunden somehow left my body
Speaker 1: and went outside and play to play with the cat
Speaker 1: because dreams are weird. And that was the end. I
Speaker 1: never had another one after that, And um that my
Speaker 1: theory is that, um when you do. I think it
Speaker 1: was like my subconscious was trying to get me to
Speaker 1: stay my fears, and once I finally did you know,
Speaker 1: then it was over. Hopefully it wasn't a dark far anyway.
Speaker 1: I love your show, Poculator. That was a great night call.
Speaker 1: And also I can't imagine having a nightmare, a recurring
Speaker 1: nightmare for sixteen years. Yeah, I would, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I would have to like probably end up spending a
Speaker 1: lot of money trying to figure out how do you
Speaker 1: care about that? That's also, by the way, like that's
Speaker 1: your screenplay because that's really good. Yeah, horrifying story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I got like chills just like imagining the
Speaker 1: guy coming down there, I know, yeah, and it's a
Speaker 1: really sitting on the bed. I do like this story
Speaker 1: has a happy ending though, because and I think that's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever been able to like beat
Speaker 1: a nightmare in in within the nightmare, or just like
Speaker 1: clap your hands and make it like defeat it, or
Speaker 1: right now I wake up and I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go back in, and that doesn't really work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back in. It's always a fun thing.
Speaker 1: It never works. I mean, it works like very but
Speaker 1: it never works how you want it to work. Even
Speaker 1: if it does work out, you get some weird like
Speaker 1: like gummy shadow of whatever the nightmare was. I don't know,
Speaker 1: um yeah, I like, I like, I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: if you have a recurring nightmare, you maybe are more
Speaker 1: likely to be able to do the lucid dreaming thing
Speaker 1: of like recognizing what's going on because it's just familiar
Speaker 1: to you at that point. It's also probably you're you're
Speaker 1: spending so much time actually thinking about it, like during
Speaker 1: your waking hours, that you can probably I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: that's the trick, is that she just really needed to
Speaker 1: do the work, as they say, to trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to how to deal with whatever the fear was,
Speaker 1: not only in the waking hours, but while she was asleep. Also.
Speaker 1: Sixteen years is like so much can happen to you
Speaker 1: during that time, like you can seriously grow as a
Speaker 1: person and like then find the strength to be able
Speaker 1: to be like listen here, ry Man, get off my dream.
Speaker 1: I love the way that she also narrated that. Listen here. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is great. Thank you so much for sharing. Um.
Speaker 1: If you have any nightmare stories or any other stories
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