Speaker 1: What's up, friends, and welcome in to Fantasy Pros. This
Speaker 1: is the Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm Chris Welsh. Today for
Speaker 1: Week eleven Ranks, we have got Pat fitz Morris and
Speaker 1: Scott Pianowski news breaking before we even start the show,
Speaker 1: just blowing up the ranks here. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about all of it today. This is running backs. That
Speaker 1: is what we are going to be tackling here, getting
Speaker 1: through all the fun stuff. Pat, are you ready for?
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe more breaking news all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it'll be like, hey, but Checko is active, just you know,
Speaker 1: right before the show. We just get those things to
Speaker 1: kind of throw a wrench into it. But that's what
Speaker 1: the teens of ranks are all about, right.
Speaker 2: Are you making me promises about Isaiah Pichecko because I
Speaker 2: could certainly use him in a couple of leagues where
Speaker 2: I'm really scratching the felt at running backs so his
Speaker 2: return cannot come fast enough for a couple of my teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Scott, I don't know about you, but like we
Speaker 1: all were, like, hey, wide receiver, wide receiver, and it
Speaker 1: has been a depthy running back situation. Once we've gotten
Speaker 1: to the teens with by weeks and injuries, people losing here.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be super mad if we could just
Speaker 1: get a couple extra nice things more than Adric estime,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You're right, yeah, Audric estimate the poor man's Gus Edwards, right,
Speaker 3: you know, a two down grinder who still doesn't have
Speaker 3: an NFL catch. I'd love ask for estimate to be
Speaker 3: a thing. I have some estivate shares, but I'm just trying.
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to be activated for a lot
Speaker 3: of people's flexes this week.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's not like in normal seasons where the running back
Speaker 3: that you shoved in two hands for was somebody you
Speaker 3: know was top twelve, top fifteen running back.
Speaker 4: Right out of the gos.
Speaker 3: That's not the way the shape of the season has
Speaker 3: played out so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're going to talk about him here in
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Speaker 1: talking about the ranks contest, as we always do before
Speaker 1: we kick off the show. This week, Christopher Jimino gimmeo
Speaker 1: apologies and pronunciation of names was number one in the ranks.
Speaker 1: Scott Spratt and Jason William were the top three in
Speaker 1: the ranks. But not to move past them, because they
Speaker 1: deserve that praise. Our boy Mick was four. Pat Mick
Speaker 1: is on a generational run right now of like he
Speaker 1: was one.
Speaker 4: He was four.
Speaker 1: But let's also not move past you, Pat, you were eighteen.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is like your I don't know
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth, top twenty or twenty five ranking this
Speaker 1: so far this season, and so as far as the
Speaker 1: weekly ranked contest goes, Mick is up there, and Pat
Speaker 1: you kind of keep doing it.
Speaker 2: My friend mix on a heater, for sure. And I
Speaker 2: didn't feel like I had a great week. I thought
Speaker 2: I got a lot of things right a quarterback, and
Speaker 2: then just felt sort of so so about the other position.
Speaker 2: So maybe the quarterback rankings carried me.
Speaker 1: I think I might have been maybe the world's worst
Speaker 1: quarterback ranker this week. There might not have been a
Speaker 1: human being worse at quarterback than me, but I think
Speaker 1: I was, you know, amazing at wide receiver and tight
Speaker 1: end or something like that. But we're not going to
Speaker 1: we don't need to talk about me. We don't need
Speaker 1: to talk about my rank on where I was, right, Scott,
Speaker 1: we don't need to talk about where we were at
Speaker 1: I'd like to.
Speaker 3: Mention that I was fifth in the week ten rankings.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry if you're only grading me among the other
Speaker 3: Yahoo people. I did beat one of my colleagues, but.
Speaker 4: For them beat me.
Speaker 3: I was ten at quarterback, and then it went gradually downhill.
Speaker 3: The expert accuracy has shifted from something I couldn't wait
Speaker 3: to look at to something I almost dread looking at
Speaker 3: now because I'm not having a great accuracy accuracy season.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what I've always done better the
Speaker 3: weeks that we hashed this up with these programs.
Speaker 4: So I know that.
Speaker 3: Week eleven will be one of my strongest weeks because
Speaker 3: basically I'm copying off the Welsh and the Fits pages.
Speaker 3: So let's get to that.
Speaker 1: Well, definitely the Fits. Let's let's go that with the Fits.
Speaker 1: You guys want to check out all the rankings, go
Speaker 1: to fantasypros dot com slash rankings. You can check out
Speaker 1: all the positional tiers. Whether what we're talking about this
Speaker 1: second isn't covering what you want, They're going to change
Speaker 1: all the way up until kickoff, So go and check
Speaker 1: that out. You can do it on my playbook app,
Speaker 1: and you can, just like I said, go to fantasypros
Speaker 1: dot com slash rankings to see what it looks like.
Speaker 1: Let's jump into it ourselves. It's running back time. Going
Speaker 1: to the big board, the top twelve. I'm gonna little
Speaker 1: give you a little spoiler alert. We're not going to
Speaker 1: really talk about the top twelve we're just going to
Speaker 1: give it to you and then we're going to move
Speaker 1: into the next range, because what are we breaking down?
Speaker 1: I will say it is very nice to see Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey back at the tippy top again. Yes, number one
Speaker 1: in the ranks against Seattle. Debro was pushing back on
Speaker 1: me a little bit, fits that I was being a
Speaker 1: little bit of a niner homer thinking that Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: could get to when he touches nineteen in the week one,
Speaker 1: because as I've said, Kyle Shanahan cannot help himself and
Speaker 1: he didn't, and you'll probably get even more so. Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey's number one, Saquan at two, Joe Mixon, Bijon Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: That rounds out your top five, Davon ah Chan, Kyrin Williams,
Speaker 1: Jamior gives Alba Kamara, Breeshaw, Jonathan Taylor, Ken Walker. That's
Speaker 1: your top twelve. Just gonna throw it real quick, since
Speaker 1: we aren't gonna like sit and break down. You know
Speaker 1: any specific players or I don't have a debate, pat
Speaker 1: is there anything in the top twelve that just kind
Speaker 1: of jumps out to you A too high, a too low?
Speaker 1: Someone that you're just maybe a little disenchanted about, or
Speaker 1: someone that you think belongs you know, like way higher.
Speaker 2: No, you know, well, it's an interesting week at running
Speaker 2: Back where I feel like they're about nineteen really really
Speaker 2: strong plays and then maybe about eleven or twelve okay,
Speaker 2: flex type plays, and then the bottom just drops out
Speaker 2: after that. So I think with the top ten or
Speaker 2: twelve guys, they're going to be The ordering is open
Speaker 2: to debate in some spots, like I've seen some people
Speaker 2: have Alvin Kamara as high as two and as low
Speaker 2: as like nine, but like, that's perfectly reasonable when there
Speaker 2: are a bunch of good options. It's really kind of
Speaker 2: down towards that, you know, from twenty to thirty or so,
Speaker 2: where it gets pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Scott, let me ask you this real quick. Then I'm
Speaker 1: a liar. I'm like, hey, we're not going to talk
Speaker 1: about these Let's talk a bunch. The news that came
Speaker 1: out right before the show, by the way, that I
Speaker 1: just teased is that Jane Steiken was like, Hey, you
Speaker 1: know all those things that I just said, reverse it,
Speaker 1: scratch it. We're going to do the exact opposite, and
Speaker 1: we're going to start Anthony richards again at quarterbacks. So
Speaker 1: Anthony richards in his back he will be a theme
Speaker 1: throughout the rank episodes we do here. I'm just curious
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor comes in at eleven. Do you think that
Speaker 1: changes your process With Jonathan Taylor? Obviously, like maybe the
Speaker 1: ball doesn't move as well, maybe it does with Richardson.
Speaker 1: He is going to take some of that running game,
Speaker 1: goal line stuff potential. I mean there's theoretical takeaways. Do
Speaker 1: you think Anthony Richardson coming in could bump him out
Speaker 1: of the top twelve or move him higher?
Speaker 4: To you?
Speaker 3: You know, if we had this conversation a month ago,
Speaker 3: I would have been like, oh, okay, I'm worried about
Speaker 3: the buoyancy of the offense. They're gonna move the ball
Speaker 3: better with Flacco. I don't know what they do with Richardson.
Speaker 3: Maybe I need to reappraise where I'm at with Taylor.
Speaker 3: But Flacco played so poorly the last two games. You know,
Speaker 3: part of that was what the Vikings did on that
Speaker 3: Sunday night game. But I dare Richardson, and this is
Speaker 3: a dere I might regret saying I dare Richardson to
Speaker 3: be worse than Flacco has been the.
Speaker 4: Last couple of weeks where.
Speaker 3: I feel like Stiken had to make this movee. It
Speaker 3: was kind of disappointing that he had to lie to
Speaker 3: us and mislead us. But that's what coaches do, that's
Speaker 3: what coach speak is. And keep in mind, the Colts
Speaker 3: have played one of the most difficult schedules in the
Speaker 3: league to this point. They have an easy schedule going
Speaker 3: forward or an easier schedule, so it's the right time
Speaker 3: to onboard Richardson. I had Taylor ranked tenth before the
Speaker 3: news came down, and I thought, you know again, it
Speaker 3: happens right before we get on air, get to make adjustments,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna leave
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor tenth. Maybe it's because I don't want to
Speaker 3: argue that might be a Wisconsin Badger bias in the room,
Speaker 3: but I think Taylor's going to be just fine. And
Speaker 3: this Jets team, man, did they lay down like lambs
Speaker 3: last week against Carolina. So I think Jonathan Taylor is
Speaker 3: going to hit one hundred yards again no matter what
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson does.
Speaker 1: Fits just a quick hitter. Are you going to adjust
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor at all with Richardson in I had.
Speaker 2: The same thought Scott did. I've got him at ten. Also,
Speaker 2: I thought about moving him up a spot or two
Speaker 2: and decided to just leave him at ten. Although I
Speaker 2: do think generally the presence of Anthony Richardson is good
Speaker 2: for Taylor, but yeah, I don't know right now. Running
Speaker 2: back ten feels good for him. Really great game for Taylor,
Speaker 2: by the way, last week he looked terrific. Didn't really
Speaker 2: do anything though as a pass Caatrin didn't score a touchdown,
Speaker 2: so the reality of his performance was better than the
Speaker 2: fantasy output.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go take a look at the RB
Speaker 1: two's on the big board. Josh Jacobs comes in at thirteen,
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt, Chase Brown, David Montgomery, James Cook. We've got
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift at eighteen, Aaron Jones, JK. Dobbins, Ramandre Stevenson,
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, Tony Pollard, and Najie Harris. Let's go over
Speaker 1: to DeAndre Swift. We've got a little bit of a difference.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift has an ECR of eighteen. Fits you are
Speaker 1: lower than the consensus at twenty, and Scott you are
Speaker 1: a tiny bit higher. So let's take both sides of that. Scott,
Speaker 1: let's start with you. This offense is and has been abysmal,
Speaker 1: but they've obviously made an offensive coordinator change, and sometimes
Speaker 1: we could see, you know, and I guess it's like,
Speaker 1: what will be the change? I kind of would think
Speaker 1: they would want Caleb Williams to make shorter decisions, shorter passes,
Speaker 1: maybe obviously established the run a tiny bit more. Do
Speaker 1: you think that's the play here with DeAndre Swift? You
Speaker 1: being a tiny bit higher than consensus that we see
Speaker 1: him get going.
Speaker 4: I mean, the key for me with.
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift has been the projectable volume that he gets right.
Speaker 3: He gets double digit touches every game, even in this
Speaker 3: horrible run they've been in since the bye.
Speaker 4: Week sixteen sixteen and eighteen carries.
Speaker 3: He did have a streak where he had touchdowns in
Speaker 3: four straight games, So Brocheon Johnson get sprinkled in now
Speaker 3: and then the goal line. But usually when they score
Speaker 3: a rushing touchdown, it's DeAndre Swift. Generally, when you step
Speaker 3: into a situation where Caleb's underwater right now and he's
Speaker 3: not processing well and he takes nine sacks last week,
Speaker 3: in sacks are usually more of a quarterback stat than
Speaker 3: an offensive line stat. They need to scale things back, simplify,
Speaker 3: and that's just going to mean I think a lot
Speaker 3: more DeAndre Swift you can run on the Packers. I'm
Speaker 3: not thrilled to line up with this offense, I get it,
Speaker 3: but I think Swift is actually a pretty easy player
Speaker 3: to start. The more difficult questions for this offense come
Speaker 3: with what do you do if you have their receivers?
Speaker 3: What if you do if you have Cole Comet? What
Speaker 3: if you do if you've been starting Caleb Williams the
Speaker 3: super flex? Those are the hard questions. I actually think
Speaker 3: Swift is a pretty solid, reliable RB two. You may
Speaker 3: not want to watch the game, but he's gonna have
Speaker 3: twenty touches in his back pocket when the game's over.
Speaker 1: It's not saying that you don't maybe agree with that sentiment,
Speaker 1: but you do him at twenty. You've got him a
Speaker 1: spots lower than the consensus. What's your read on DeAndre Swift?
Speaker 1: And you know the little bit of the unknown of
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with this offense?
Speaker 2: This week I mentioned their nineteen running backs you feel
Speaker 2: pretty good about and note that I have DeAndre Swift
Speaker 2: at number twenty just my blanket fade of the Chicago
Speaker 2: Bears continues. They have not scored a touchdown in their
Speaker 2: last twenty three possessions going back to Week eight against
Speaker 2: the Commanders. In the two games since coming out of
Speaker 2: the by Swift has averaged three point four yards per
Speaker 2: carry and has not hit sixty rushing yards in either
Speaker 2: of those two games. The Bears starting offensive tackles Braxton
Speaker 2: Jones and Darnell Wright were both out last week, and
Speaker 2: then they lost guard Tevin Jenkins to an injury in
Speaker 2: the game against the Patriots last week. And I know
Speaker 2: the Packers have generally been considered a good matchup for
Speaker 2: running backs. That might not be as much the case
Speaker 2: this year under a new defensive coordinator, Jeff Hafley. They
Speaker 2: rank fourteenth and dvoa again thrown and have given up
Speaker 2: the thirteenth fewest fantasy points to running backs. So they're
Speaker 2: at least a middle of the pack defense rather than
Speaker 2: an easy matchup that we want to target. So you know,
Speaker 2: it might not be a good run defense, but not
Speaker 2: a pushover anymore. So this is just I'm fading a
Speaker 2: bad offense here.
Speaker 1: Another interesting one in here is Aaron Jones Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: comes in at ECR nineteen. Scott you've got him at eighteen,
Speaker 1: but Fits you've got him at fifteen. I guess there's
Speaker 1: like a little ambiguity about like his injury, and I
Speaker 1: think they said he's going to relatively be okay. He
Speaker 1: returned at the end of the game, so I think
Speaker 1: that can get him going again. You kind of worry
Speaker 1: sometimes that maybe that's something that's going to flare back up.
Speaker 1: It's a three star rating as far as the matchup goes.
Speaker 1: It's given a B overall grade on the Fantasy pros
Speaker 1: ranking site here. Fits you are higher, though, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna jump back to you because you are towing the
Speaker 1: line of like it's not quite an RB one, but
Speaker 1: he's still in that general range. Talk about the matchup,
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing just no general worry about maybe even
Speaker 1: the injury tapering down some of his touches because Ty
Speaker 1: Chandler seems to be like out by the way. It's
Speaker 1: like cam akers at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chandler's number three. I think the camera shot of
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones getting carted off the field last week was
Speaker 2: probably concerning to a lot of people, but it was interesting.
Speaker 2: They asked Aaron Jones about that. He said the reason
Speaker 2: he got carted off was because the X ray machine
Speaker 2: at the stadium in Jacksonville was like way at the
Speaker 2: far end and they were just doing that for time sake,
Speaker 2: so he did return of the game. He's apparently okay
Speaker 2: the matchup. Titans have a solid run defense, but they
Speaker 2: have given up twelve touchdowns to running backs in nine
Speaker 2: games this season, and Jones has been pretty consistent this
Speaker 2: year in half point PPR scoring. He's posted double digit
Speaker 2: point totals in six of his last seven games, so
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about him as a solid RB two.
Speaker 1: Scot, same thing. At eighteen, you are like one spot higher,
Speaker 1: So you guys are both kind of in the above consensus.
Speaker 1: See Jones as like the week continues to go on.
Speaker 1: He could taper up just a tiny bit, but it
Speaker 1: is Tennessee. So Scott, what's your take on Aaron Jones?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, very solid player. We've seen all these
Speaker 3: veteran running backs change teams and most of them have
Speaker 3: been good fantasy plays this year, but the Vikings are
Speaker 3: struggling the punch in touchdowns. Only two rushing touchdowns for
Speaker 3: Jones Tennessee is eighth and rushing DV Away. There's no
Speaker 3: pushover on defense. We forget that a lot because their
Speaker 3: offense tends to lose every game. It's not the defense's
Speaker 3: fault more often than not. But I also wonder if
Speaker 3: Jones is not one hundred plays, but the game gets
Speaker 3: in control, maybe they back off him. And maybe it's
Speaker 3: the cam Makers show in the second half where it's
Speaker 3: it's closer to US sixty forty or fifty to fifty
Speaker 3: this week where they don't have to lean on Jones.
Speaker 3: I wish I felt better. I love Kevin O'Connell, but
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, you know, he's ahead of every league average metric,
Speaker 3: all the downfield stuff, but he's just he's taking too
Speaker 3: many sacks and he's throwing too many interceptions, and it's
Speaker 3: keeping this offense. I mean, Jacksonville wanted to get blown
Speaker 3: out last week in Minnesota, couldn't finish the job. The
Speaker 3: end of the day, I think we're gonna see the
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones special is gonna be like seventy to ninety
Speaker 3: yards rushing. He's gonna have about twenty five yards receiving.
Speaker 4: And he's not gonna have a touchdown. That's why I
Speaker 4: ranked him where I did.
Speaker 1: Let me throw one more at you guys, and almost
Speaker 1: like Aaron Jones could maybe go against him here. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this is like, I know he's ranked
Speaker 1: as a top two back, but I think sometimes there's
Speaker 1: questions about these do you believe a guy like Nick
Speaker 1: Chubb is a player that you've got to get in lineups?
Speaker 4: This week?
Speaker 1: He is only ranked twenty second on this list, but
Speaker 1: of the top twenty five running backs on Fantasy pros
Speaker 1: rb ranks, he has the best matchup rating against the Saints.
Speaker 1: We know he's been getting some volume fits. Do you
Speaker 1: think Chubb is a guy that a you can trust
Speaker 1: putting in the lineup and be that maybe should be
Speaker 1: pushed up a little bit more, you know, as the
Speaker 1: team is able to kind of, you know, get the
Speaker 1: ball deep with Winston. He's getting some volume and it's
Speaker 1: just a really great running matchup. And specifically I looked
Speaker 1: at like the disparity between like Chase Brown and Nick Chubb,
Speaker 1: like should it be that high? So I kind of
Speaker 1: threw a lot of things that you it's really about,
Speaker 1: is Nick Chubb a guy that people should be Okay?
Speaker 1: Trusting getting in lineups this week.
Speaker 2: Well, comparing him to Chase Brown, I think we feel
Speaker 2: much better about the Bengals offense than the Browns offense.
Speaker 2: And Chase Brown is explosive, like he has the chance
Speaker 2: of breaking off a long touchdown run or you know,
Speaker 2: like a sixty yard gain on a short little dump
Speaker 2: off pass or something, whereas Nick Chubb does not really
Speaker 2: offer that. He does have that nice floor with volume.
Speaker 2: We do feel a little bit better about the Cleveland
Speaker 2: offense than we did when Deshaun Watson was playing quarterback
Speaker 2: and the Saints rnded a really good matchup for running backs.
Speaker 2: Their run defense has been terrible all year. But I
Speaker 2: do think that's sort of the production profile for Nick
Speaker 2: Chubb is pretty accurate based on where he is ranked,
Speaker 2: like high floor, low ceiling probably, so back end RB
Speaker 2: two feels about right to me.
Speaker 1: Scott. Do you think the matchup itself is something where
Speaker 1: it's like there's a little bit more trust than usual,
Speaker 1: But I mean we also haven't seen him get like,
Speaker 1: you know, absolute bel cow thoughts on Chubb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just concerned. I don't see the explosion.
Speaker 3: This is an injury where you you would think he
Speaker 3: wouldn't be close to one hundred percent until maybe next season.
Speaker 3: Two yards to carry against the Bengals to three point
Speaker 3: three against the Ravens, two point six against the Chargers.
Speaker 4: Not an easy runout on the schedule.
Speaker 3: But and also, Jameis Winston doesn't like to throw to
Speaker 3: his back. He's he's not gonna look to dump off.
Speaker 3: He's gonna look to throw a ball downfield or maybe
Speaker 3: even throw an interception that may or may not be dropped.
Speaker 4: That's the Jameis Winston experience.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to It's when we see a
Speaker 3: matchup the like the Saints, we get excited because they've
Speaker 3: just been a turnstile for opposing running backs. But I
Speaker 3: don't see Nick Chubb anywhere close to one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking he's going to have his best game of
Speaker 3: the season, but it's gonna be muted with like, oh,
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb average four yards to carry today, wasn't that nice?
Speaker 3: So I think the ranking is in the right place.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's an automatic start by any means.
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Speaker 1: Right, RBS twenty five through thirty six, the RB three
Speaker 1: slash Flex range at twenty five We've got Travis etn,
Speaker 1: followed by Brian Robinson. I think the injury thing is
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, making his situation weird. Rico Dawdle,
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler, Odrich estimate at twenty nine. Alexander Madison at
Speaker 1: thirty thirty one through thirty six Jalen Warren, Raheem Moster, Tyler, Algi,
Speaker 1: Tank bigsby, Javonte Williams and Tajy Spears. Okay, we talked
Speaker 1: about him a little bit before. Odric Estime probably the
Speaker 1: easily the number one waiver RB for this week, one
Speaker 1: of the top claims. I would imagine people would have
Speaker 1: been targeting more the wide receivers, but Odric Estime is
Speaker 1: going to be up there. Scott a little well, not
Speaker 1: either one of you are lower. You're actually a little
Speaker 1: bit higher than consensus A twenty eight, but fits you
Speaker 1: seem to be the pro Estime guy. You've almost pushed
Speaker 1: him into the RB two range. So Fitz, let's start
Speaker 1: with you RB twenty six for Estime this week after
Speaker 1: he got some really solid volume. He is going up
Speaker 1: against the Atlanta Falcons this week, which is a low
Speaker 1: grade and a pretty low rating according to Fantasy Pro's
Speaker 1: RB ranks.
Speaker 2: I guess I do believe that Audric Estime is going
Speaker 2: to continue to be the primary early down back for
Speaker 2: the Broncos. That like, it's kind of his gig. Now.
Speaker 2: I think there's still a role for Javonte Williams because
Speaker 2: we know that Sean Payton likes to use the running
Speaker 2: backs in the passing game a lot, although maybe we
Speaker 2: haven't seen that quite as much, maybe because bo Nix
Speaker 2: is more of a scrambler, doesn't need to dump off
Speaker 2: as much as Drew Brees did.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Take away an eighty eight yard rushing day that Javonte
Speaker 2: Williams had against a very putrid Saints run defense that
Speaker 2: we were just talking about, and Chavante is averaging three
Speaker 2: points three seven yards per carry on the season and
Speaker 2: his only top fifty rushing yards in three of the
Speaker 2: ten games he's played this season. So Estima out snapped
Speaker 2: Javante twenty six to sixteen last week, out carried him
Speaker 2: fourteen to one. Julia McLoughlin was down to seven snaps
Speaker 2: last week. So Estima is a bowl and I can
Speaker 2: understand why they wanted to go to him, like at
Speaker 2: Notre Dame last year over thirteen hundred rushing yards eighteen
Speaker 2: touchdown runs in his final college season. But as Scott said,
Speaker 2: Estime is not a pass catcher at all. He's not
Speaker 2: going to help in that area obvious passing downs. He's
Speaker 2: not going to be on the So that's why I
Speaker 2: think we're we're topping out at high end RB three
Speaker 2: rankings for him, Like there's just not any pass catching offside.
Speaker 2: He's got to do all his business on the ground
Speaker 2: and that could be tough against Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Scott, you seemed a little pessimistic about it, and
Speaker 1: I feel pessimistic about it. Just it's like, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not the best offense that now and has not been
Speaker 1: a great running offense, and now there's just three of them,
Speaker 1: and it's like Jeli mcgloughlin and Javonte can be the
Speaker 1: receivers and then they're gonna sprinkle in the other guys. Like,
Speaker 1: was this the peak of carries that we've saw from estimate?
Speaker 1: I feel like this is you kind of did it
Speaker 1: with the Gus Edwards thing. I was about to say,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is like he's got to score
Speaker 1: a touchdown to have felt good about putting him in there,
Speaker 1: and it's still probably a single digit scoring week that
Speaker 1: you end up getting out of him. But I'm projecting
Speaker 1: onto you. Are you as pessimistic as I'm kind of
Speaker 1: laying out as rodrig estime?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I got him a running back twenty eight,
Speaker 3: so he's playable. He's not a forced play, and just
Speaker 3: because you won him in free agency and doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: mean you have to start them. You may have a
Speaker 3: situation where your backfield.
Speaker 4: Is deep enough that you can avoid that.
Speaker 3: A key here is, well the usage going forward, will
Speaker 3: it be a two man backfield or a three man backfield?
Speaker 3: Because remember bo Nix is always going to take some
Speaker 3: of the rushing equity off the table to begin with.
Speaker 3: And so if we could reduce A big thing in
Speaker 3: the NFL these days for fantasy is trying to reduce
Speaker 3: a backfield from it used to be. We hated committees
Speaker 3: and we wanted Belkow's but you know, belcos are so rare.
Speaker 3: Now it's all about can we get a backfield down
Speaker 3: to two backs? Like you know, Detroit uses two backs
Speaker 3: and we can play both of them every week, it's
Speaker 3: no big deal. There's a lot of teams that do that.
Speaker 3: Ideally Miami would be one of those teams. But I
Speaker 3: think that's what I'm looking for with estimate is that
Speaker 3: also there's a difference between being a zero in the
Speaker 3: passing game and just being a limited pass catcher. If
Speaker 3: they could even upgrade him to like Derrick Henry, like
Speaker 3: receiving work where he catches one or two passes a game,
Speaker 3: that would be a big difference, especially in those PPR formats,
Speaker 3: and just absolutely just not even being on the field
Speaker 3: for those options. That may come down to how comfortable
Speaker 3: they feel with Estimate with pass blocking. Also, when people
Speaker 3: are talking about him this week and they talk about
Speaker 3: how slow he is, remember that at his pro day
Speaker 3: he ran a lot faster than he did as his
Speaker 3: combined time. I don't think playing speed is a problem
Speaker 3: with Estimate. I think he's a bonifid potential starting running back. Ultimately.
Speaker 4: The thing I.
Speaker 3: Feel best about here is I think the double digit
Speaker 3: touches are in his back pocket. And even though Atlanta's
Speaker 3: run defense has been decent, this is a game Denver
Speaker 3: can win. I think Denver's a good team. I think
Speaker 3: this will be a competitive game. I'm not worried at
Speaker 3: all about Denver being blown out, so estimately should be
Speaker 3: relevant for all four quarters. The running back twenty eight
Speaker 3: slot feels about right. He's a good flex play this week.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go crazy on him. Just again,
Speaker 3: don't let his fab chops because he was in a
Speaker 3: really weak FAB week I thought so. He probably went
Speaker 3: for multiple hundred dollars in some thousand dollars leagues where
Speaker 3: people are running out of time to do anything in
Speaker 3: their season, they had to just throw in with two
Speaker 3: hands on estimate. But I think the running back twenty
Speaker 3: eight tag feels about right.
Speaker 1: All right, I've got a running back rank debate that
Speaker 1: we can play. These guys are actually right next to
Speaker 1: each other. Jalen Warren comes in at thirty on this
Speaker 1: week and we are going to battle him up against
Speaker 1: Raheem Mostert, who's at thirty two. This is a really
Speaker 1: interesting one because Warren, you know, finally kind of got
Speaker 1: going this past week. He's got a theoretical rough matchup
Speaker 1: with Baltimore, except if they're going to stop the run,
Speaker 1: that actually would bode a little bit more well for
Speaker 1: Jalen Warren, which I think is pushing up his rank.
Speaker 1: The surprise maybe is that Warren is above Mostart and
Speaker 1: how Mostart has gotten involved in the offense as of
Speaker 1: recent them wanting to run the ball. And it's a
Speaker 1: great matchup against the Raiders. So I'm curious that this
Speaker 1: takes Scott. Let's start with you. I know, I personally
Speaker 1: know that you have Jalen Warren at thirty two, so
Speaker 1: you're one spot lower. How do you think Jalen Warren
Speaker 1: versus most plays out and what side are you picking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little bit higher on Warren because the
Speaker 3: Steelers are the most run heavy in neutral gamescript team
Speaker 3: in the league. They is don't care if it's successful
Speaker 3: or not. They're going to keep running the ball. They
Speaker 3: want to throw the ball limited amount of times. They'll
Speaker 3: take their play action shots with Carl Pickens, with George Pickens,
Speaker 3: which has been working out right. And I think I
Speaker 3: have called you Welsh earlier, by the way, former Providence
Speaker 3: basketball coach, So you're in good company if I get
Speaker 3: your first name wrong. But I feel more confident in
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh's what they want to do. They're one of these
Speaker 3: teams they don't they don't care what you stop. They say,
Speaker 3: this is who we are, this is what we do
Speaker 3: every week. Argue if that's bet if that's a good
Speaker 3: thing or a bad thing. But it's certainly their identity
Speaker 3: and they have won with it. The thing with Moster
Speaker 3: too is he's had a problem putting the ball on
Speaker 3: the ground lately, and we saw Jalen Wright getting some
Speaker 3: late carries in that Miami win over the Rams on Monday,
Speaker 3: I wonder if the Moster thing could be running its course.
Speaker 3: I know he's probably their pass catcher in some packages.
Speaker 3: He's not as good or as dynamic as a Chan.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows that, But I think Raheem Moster is going
Speaker 3: to be Fantasy irrelevant maybe in three or four more weeks.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Miami's gonna be relevant either. Even
Speaker 3: though they won Monday, they didn't really look all that great,
Speaker 3: and they really need to fix their run, their pass
Speaker 3: blocking and trust Toua to throw downfield. But even though
Speaker 3: these guys are close for me, I think in every
Speaker 3: start sick question where Moster is offered to me, I
Speaker 3: think I'm going to probably go with the other guy,
Speaker 3: and certainly I would go with Jalen warn here.
Speaker 1: So Pat, what do you think here? And you're higher
Speaker 1: than Warren on ECR here And again, like the game
Speaker 1: script or the matchup might really speak well to what
Speaker 1: Jalen Warren is going to be able to do in general.
Speaker 1: But you know, Raheem Mostert has gotten involved. They're just
Speaker 1: the mess though with the Dolphins Moster versus Warren for you.
Speaker 2: First of all, Scott. I think it's okay to call
Speaker 2: our host Tim Welsh, just don't call him Joe Walsh,
Speaker 2: because I've heard that much like the Big Lebowski hates
Speaker 2: the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I do think you actually did say though Welsh, by
Speaker 1: the way, but like t dot Welsh, like Tim, like
Speaker 1: that would be you know, legal name of the would
Speaker 1: definitely translate to Tim Well.
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta push back up the Eagles. Here's
Speaker 3: the thing with the Eagles. I do not like them collectively.
Speaker 3: I actually really like them individually. I think Joe Walsh
Speaker 3: is a really cool guy. I mean, gun Fry, who
Speaker 3: was in Jerry McGuire is the Arizona Football GM. Smugglers
Speaker 3: Blues is a great song. The heat design is going
Speaker 3: to be played for the rest of our lives. I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's a great song with Smugglers Bloosh
Speaker 3: or is Henley's solo career is excellent. I just don't
Speaker 3: want to ever hear Peaceful Easy Feeling again or the
Speaker 3: Best of My Love or Tequila Sunrise. Those songs make
Speaker 3: me want to gouge out my eyes and go van
Speaker 3: go on my ears. So I'm Eagles as a band.
Speaker 3: I'm not there the Eagles individually.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm very young right now. I feel very young right
Speaker 1: now with this conversation. I'm reaching to that audience. Guys,
Speaker 1: all right, but we were going pat you were Raheem
Speaker 1: Moster versus Warren.
Speaker 2: Warren by mile and right now. So the RB twenty
Speaker 2: five ranking is based on my uncertainty about the status
Speaker 2: of naj Harris, who look like tweaked his ankle pretty severely.
Speaker 2: It almost looked like a mechanism for a high ankle
Speaker 2: sprain last week. But we also know Nase is a
Speaker 2: warrior who does not miss many, if any games, so
Speaker 2: we should probably expect that he is going to play.
Speaker 2: But Jalen Warren is the one B t Nase's one
Speaker 2: A in this offense, whereas Raheem Moster it might be
Speaker 2: the two A. He basically split back carries behind Devon
Speaker 2: Ahchan on Monday night against the Rams. The snap counts
Speaker 2: in that game Devon h Chan thirty seven, Jalen Wright nine,
Speaker 2: Raheem Moster at eight, and Raheem Moster didn't have a
Speaker 2: single carry in that game.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniels said that was a product of the game
Speaker 2: plan a very specific game plan for the Rams, but
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean they like Jalen Wright as
Speaker 2: a regular part of this offense. Now, so, Warren Scott
Speaker 2: mentioned how run heavy the Steelers are. They're running on
Speaker 2: fifty three point three percent of their offensive plays this week.
Speaker 2: Since coming back from his knee injury, warren snap shares
Speaker 2: have been They've ranged from thirty nine percent to fifty
Speaker 2: one percent his touch counts in those three games fourteen, eleven,
Speaker 2: and sixteen. And yes, Warren does face a Baltimore defense.
Speaker 2: It's really tough against the run, but the Ravens have
Speaker 2: given it up to running backs in the passing game
Speaker 2: and they're probably not going to do any better against
Speaker 2: pass catching running backs of Kyle Hamilton, their stud safety
Speaker 2: is out with an ankle injury.
Speaker 1: All right, last one, we're going to do a price
Speaker 1: check on the running backs because we have got both
Speaker 1: of these guys coming in as like flex rbs. It's
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguar situation with Travis Eten and Tank Bigsby.
Speaker 1: And here's the interesting thing. You guys are on opposite
Speaker 1: ends of which running back now Etan from an ECR perspective,
Speaker 1: is at the tippy top, he's at twenty five, Bigsby's
Speaker 1: down here at twenty four. Scott, you are Eatan and
Speaker 1: then bigsby By, you know, a pretty big mile. But
Speaker 1: then Fits you've got I guess I read that wrong.
Speaker 1: I guess, Fitz, you've got Etan higher than biggs b. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that is all correct.
Speaker 4: So et In on.
Speaker 1: Both sides is higher for you, guys, but there's a
Speaker 1: closer gap fit. So just real quick on your take
Speaker 1: fits for Eten versus Bigsby in this jaguar situation, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, you should just not want to start
Speaker 1: any of them, but if you are forced to do it,
Speaker 1: it looks like Eten has taken back that top jagged roll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Welsh with the correct answer bench both if you
Speaker 2: can if you don't have that luxury. I guess the
Speaker 2: reason I'm not ready to put so much daylight between
Speaker 2: Etn and Tank Bigsby. I know Biggsby has been dealing
Speaker 2: with an ankle injury, and maybe that should be more
Speaker 2: of a factor in my rankings, But it's my lack
Speaker 2: of enthusiasm for ETN, I guess, and just the fact
Speaker 2: that earlier in the season to me, Bigsby clearly looked
Speaker 2: like the better runner, just like no contest. I know,
Speaker 2: Biggsby has no utility in the passing game whatsoever, and
Speaker 2: Etn is a pretty good pass catcher, so maybe that
Speaker 2: should factor it into But I just can't unsee what
Speaker 2: I saw earlier in the year with Biggsby out rushing
Speaker 2: Etn pretty drastically, I.
Speaker 1: Thought, And Scott, that's the difference here, because it was
Speaker 1: confusing looking at them. Is that gap is pretty close
Speaker 1: for Pat, It's not really close for you. There's almost
Speaker 1: a full positional tier of rbs between them, and Bigsby
Speaker 1: doesn't play third downs. He doesn't catch the bottle of
Speaker 1: the backfield enough et And does you know if that
Speaker 1: is the case, that's great. If there's anything else what
Speaker 1: creates that huge gap for you to SIMMI put trust
Speaker 1: back into et And I suppose yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, not that anybody's gon to miss Trev Lawrence,
Speaker 3: but Mac Jones is playing again this week. I just
Speaker 3: feel like everything around Bigsby is collapsing. The team's collapsing,
Speaker 3: the quarterback play has collapsed. He's not a pass catcher.
Speaker 3: The game script there, I mean, what are they like
Speaker 3: five hundred point underdogs to the Lions. We saw how
Speaker 3: Detroit stuff Joe Mixon into a pretzel last week. Evenough mix.
Speaker 3: It has been running really well this year. So I
Speaker 3: don't see how you could like the game script for Bigsby.
Speaker 3: I don't see how you can like him in the
Speaker 3: passing game when they don't use him. I don't think
Speaker 3: this offense scores more than ten points. I think he's
Speaker 3: actually in some shell at least might even be a drop.
Speaker 1: I kind of think so the same. Maybe you've got
Speaker 1: some tank Bigsby, Travis Eten or bigger questions. Well, guess
Speaker 1: what we still got you covered if we didn't hit
Speaker 1: the exacts of it, because we've got a weekly start
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Speaker 1: can come and ask very very specific start and Sit
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Speaker 1: the big board? Some yeses? Yes, Oh, heads are shaken. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're bobbling it. Let's bobble head over top twelve wide receivers.
Speaker 1: The big Board starts with Jamar Chase at one. We've
Speaker 1: got aj Brown, a Monroe, Saint Brown, Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins.
Speaker 1: That's our top five Cooper Cup George Pickens, Pooka Nakua,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, Deebo, Terry McLaurin, Garrett Wilson, deep breath, everybody,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Tyreek Hill. This is gonna be an
Speaker 1: interesting one because I have been an annoyingly pro Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill person for the year, just thinking he's just too
Speaker 1: talented and like they're gonna figure it out, and then
Speaker 1: TWOA is gonna get back. Guys, I look at him
Speaker 1: at nine and I just I don't think I can
Speaker 1: do it. I think this is why, by the way,
Speaker 1: he's going to go off. I told Fitz this before
Speaker 1: we started this up. I said, don't worry he's gonna
Speaker 1: go off this week because I think I'm this is
Speaker 1: gonna be my out week on tyres Kill. The wrist
Speaker 1: injury worries me. The first read percentage on a Chan
Speaker 1: I think it was the highest of all offensive players,
Speaker 1: and then you go to Waddle, who won that first
Speaker 1: half and then just just disappeared. I just don't think
Speaker 1: the volume is there. There's something weird and lacking with
Speaker 1: this offense. So I personally think I am out on
Speaker 1: Tyreek Kill. But both of you find gentlemen, you guys
Speaker 1: are both higher than the consensus again, nine and a
Speaker 1: half PPR on the Fantasy pros ranks. Scott you got
Speaker 1: him at seven, and Fitch you got him at four. Babies,
Speaker 1: so Fits, let's kick it to you. I'm out. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna get like number one overall rank this coming
Speaker 1: week because you're gonna have Tyreek Kai four you are in.
Speaker 1: Is there no concern about how the offense is running
Speaker 1: and or that.
Speaker 2: Rist There are a number of concerns. Yeah, Tyreek says
Speaker 2: he is playing with a torn ligament in his wrist,
Speaker 2: and we've got this weird epidemic of risk injuries among
Speaker 2: wide receivers this year Buffalo with Amari Cooper and Kean Coleman,
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams dealing with a risk thing now and Tyreek.
Speaker 2: Tyreek looked okay though to me on Monday like he
Speaker 2: still looks fast. It doesn't seem like he's having any
Speaker 2: trouble catching the ball. In the three games since Tua
Speaker 2: has come back from his concussion, Tyreek's numbers have been
Speaker 2: unexciting but decent. Six for seventy two no touchdowns, four
Speaker 2: for eighty no touchdowns. On Monday night, we got three
Speaker 2: for sixteen yards but he did have a touchdown Andy
Speaker 2: he ran a couple of reverses for eleven yards. Maybe
Speaker 2: the risk injury like ratchets up the risk for Tyreek.
Speaker 2: Possible he lands on it wrong and doesn't finish the game.
Speaker 2: But man, he just he still looks fast and dangerous
Speaker 2: to me. I know, Tua hasn't been taking as many
Speaker 2: deep shots as he usually does. Maybe that's part of
Speaker 2: the Tua protection plan to keep him from taking big
Speaker 2: hits get rid of the ball faster. But I am
Speaker 2: just going to keep stubbornly ranking Tyreek like the superstar
Speaker 2: he has been in recent years. And I feel like
Speaker 2: the big game is coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I totally feel that, and I just,
Speaker 1: like I said, just been stupidly continuously saying that. But
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that seemed a little
Speaker 1: bit more prevalent in this game is when they did
Speaker 1: stretch the ball. It was kind of a forty nine
Speaker 1: er way. They want to stretch the ball in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field, and that's the Jalen Wattle spot.
Speaker 1: That's either short John U or deeper Jalen Wattle. Those
Speaker 1: end a rounds. It was Malik Washington this week. It's
Speaker 1: like all the things that you could like. They don't
Speaker 1: seem to want to stretch the ball deep on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: They're not doing the screen passes to Tyreek Kill a bunch.
Speaker 1: We're not seeing end a rounds. It just seems like
Speaker 1: the usage is going down and the offensive play calling
Speaker 1: to me, has really been abysmal with the Dolphins. Scott,
Speaker 1: what say you though you're you are higher than consensus,
Speaker 1: You're a little bit lower than where Pat is. But
Speaker 1: Pat's got him at top five. So where are you
Speaker 1: at on Tyreek Kill?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 3: Yeah, in my fresh Gunglarry Ross Leeds, I have Tyreek
Speaker 3: at wide receiver nine. I unfortunately, if you roster Tyreek,
Speaker 3: you don't have a choice.
Speaker 4: You have to play him.
Speaker 3: But I mean, since Tua came back half point PPR,
Speaker 3: Tyrek Kill's been wide receiver forty one, wide receiver thirty,
Speaker 3: wide receiver twenty three. He's only been inside the top
Speaker 3: twenty in the first game of the year when he
Speaker 3: went crazy against Jacksonville game that it seems like it
Speaker 3: was a million years ago, one hundred and thirty yards
Speaker 3: in a touchdown. They don't they can't run the offense
Speaker 3: they want because Tyreek is not healthy. Tua is somebody
Speaker 3: they're trying to overprotect. It's a game they should probably
Speaker 3: control against Vegas. So I think two is probably throwing
Speaker 3: twenty five passes or fewer. I guarantee you this. This
Speaker 3: sounds like an ultimate cop out. But I'm not even
Speaker 3: to consider Tyreek Hill and DFS. I wouldn't trade for
Speaker 3: him anything close to a full market value. And you know,
Speaker 3: I have at wide receiver and I'm not thrilled about that.
Speaker 3: It speaks to there's a lot of teams on by
Speaker 3: There's a lot of receivers, as Pat mentioned, who are
Speaker 3: hurt this year and hurt right now and again. Then
Speaker 3: there's this offenses that have gone into a ditch because
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are you know, they're not playing the right guy
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, you know, So it's it's a
Speaker 3: it's a really ugly time in the wide receiver in
Speaker 3: passing game streets.
Speaker 4: But I am not.
Speaker 3: I actually think I'm going to bet under on a
Speaker 3: Tyreek prop this week, and that's something I'd normally be
Speaker 3: petrified to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, am I advocating to bench him?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Probably not, But I do think it's now open. I
Speaker 1: will not have him as a top twelve wide receiver
Speaker 1: this week, I might betting under So I am offering
Speaker 1: myself to all of you listening as tribute that I
Speaker 1: will take on all of the negativity of Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: which means he is bound to blow up. So I
Speaker 1: offer myself as tribute for all of you Tyreek owners,
Speaker 1: so you guys can have your big week. But it's
Speaker 1: none like I think I'm done, especially with a lot
Speaker 1: of what we saw this past week. And we're not
Speaker 1: one week out of Tua. It's not like Tua just
Speaker 1: came back to it has been back for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. This offense doesn't look right. The play calling
Speaker 1: is weird, and you know, I don't know if TWA
Speaker 1: throws twenty times in that game, and by how the
Speaker 1: usage has been, Tyre's probably only getting four or five.
Speaker 1: So I'm out on him being a wide receiver one.
Speaker 1: But there are some big questions, and you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, we always tell you some
Speaker 1: other ways you can start putting Tyreek Hill up against
Speaker 1: other players for you guys, as far as like where
Speaker 1: did the debates start? But that still is an ECR
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Speaker 1: thirteen through twenty four. We're going to Devonte Adams at thirteen,
Speaker 1: followed by DK Metcalf, Drake London, Zay Flowers, Seedee Lamb
Speaker 1: has fallen all the way down to seventeen with that
Speaker 1: quarterback position, Jayden Read at eighteen, Josh Downs at nineteen,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, Ridley Sutton, Tillman, and Darnell Mooney. Gentlemen, let's
Speaker 1: talk about Josh Downs. He's the new edition. As we
Speaker 1: mentioned in a previous show, right before we started up
Speaker 1: our recordings, we found the news. Found out the news
Speaker 1: that Anthony Richardson is now back as quarterback for the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. Maybe it doesn't put as big of a
Speaker 1: question into his effect on Jonathan Taylor. Maybe him as
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback really still doesn't put into question because
Speaker 1: he doesn't break the top twelve. But boy does it
Speaker 1: bring a big question to Josh Downs. Because Josh Downs,
Speaker 1: whenever Anthony Richardson has been out there has just been
Speaker 1: down into the thirties. Joe Flacco loves downs even though
Speaker 1: he's kind of been struggling. Pittman is injured. What do
Speaker 1: we do with Josh Downs, Scott, Let's start with you.
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is in Josh Downs. Pre Richardson was a
Speaker 1: top twenty wide receiver. What does he look like now
Speaker 1: with Anthony Richardson?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just played this game where Josh downs or
Speaker 3: with a bunch of guys and it was the other guy.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Give me Tank Dell, give me JSN, give me Juwan Jennings,
Speaker 3: who looks really good in that ex role, the Brandon
Speaker 3: Ayuk role for the Niners, I don't trust and look,
Speaker 3: I get we have to accept that the Jets defense
Speaker 3: is not what we were promised, right man. They just
Speaker 3: get embarrassed at Arizona where every other play was a
Speaker 3: first down. I'm shocked at how what a no show
Speaker 3: that was by their defense. And their offense isn't covering
Speaker 3: themselves in Chlora either, But I need to see it
Speaker 3: from Richardson now. The one thing you can hold hang
Speaker 3: your hat on with Richardson is that if you have
Speaker 3: to any of the receivers, whether it's Downs or some
Speaker 3: of the lesser guys, you know, Alec Pierce or Mitchell
Speaker 3: or whatever it sounds like Pittman probably won't play. Richardson
Speaker 3: can make your day with one play, right, He's gonna
Speaker 3: chuck a few deep. We know he's probably gonna complete
Speaker 3: fifty percent or fewer of his passes, but there'll be
Speaker 3: a couple of highlight plays.
Speaker 4: There always are. So you just hope.
Speaker 3: If you're a Downs manager, you hope it's a fifty
Speaker 3: yard touchdown the downs. That's not the way I want
Speaker 3: to make my living is you know, I hopefully I'll
Speaker 3: hit a grand slam in the ninth inning, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean I want to have a more steady mileage.
Speaker 3: I want to have it a more steady OVP, you
Speaker 3: know whatever it is. I want to have a more
Speaker 3: steady consistency.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the metaphor is I'm searching here for,
Speaker 3: but that's what Anthony Richardson does to mean, it's Saint
Speaker 3: Stichen does to me. So I have moved Josh downs
Speaker 3: as we speak, down to my wide receiver thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the big plays, unfortunately with the Colts end up
Speaker 1: being Alec Pierce. You know, he's the guy that gets
Speaker 1: the sixty yarder Josh Downs has lived off of really
Speaker 1: great volume, and you just don't assume that's there those
Speaker 1: names that Scott was throwing out, like Tank Tank Dell
Speaker 1: is thirty on Fantasy prosis ark consensus wide receiver. So
Speaker 1: pat Josh Down no longer a top twenty. Where do
Speaker 1: you think his resting spot is going to be as
Speaker 1: far as overall ranks or slash like where you want
Speaker 1: to put him?
Speaker 2: Right around where Scott has him wide receiver thirty and
Speaker 2: I had him inside the top twenty with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: But I would add to Scott's comment about Anthony Richardson
Speaker 2: being able to make your day with like one or
Speaker 2: two plays, if your name is Alec Pierce, that's the caveat.
Speaker 2: I would add to that. I dropped Pierce two spots
Speaker 2: in the rankings with the quarterback change, and I dropped
Speaker 2: Downs like eleven spots, So like, I think it hurts
Speaker 2: Josh Downs far more than it hurts Alec Pierce. I mean,
Speaker 2: Alec Pearce is a desperation flex play at best anyway,
Speaker 2: But like, Downs needs that volume, and Joe Flacco was
Speaker 2: peppering him with targets, and now I don't think we
Speaker 2: can count on that. I think passing volume is going
Speaker 2: to be always going to be less with Anthony Richardson
Speaker 2: that it would be with Joe Flacco. So just not
Speaker 2: that much interest in downs. And this is with Michael
Speaker 2: Pittman out like it when Michael Pittman's comes back, and
Speaker 2: if he were to come back this week, I would
Speaker 2: probably have downs closer to wide receiver forty than wide
Speaker 2: receiver thirty. So yeah, this just squelches all excitement for
Speaker 2: Josh downs.
Speaker 1: And the only thing you could like hold your hat
Speaker 1: on would be like that. You know, in this time
Speaker 1: where he's been benched, they've maybe been trying to reform
Speaker 1: how they want him to attack the offense, and kind
Speaker 1: of like what we mentioned when we talk about Caleb Williams,
Speaker 1: it's like with the new offensive coordinator in there. What
Speaker 1: would be great is if they adjust to him to
Speaker 1: making shorter, quicker decisions instead of running around and just
Speaker 1: go to your first or second read, try to get
Speaker 1: to the first read, make that choice. The same thing
Speaker 1: would be with Richardson if they readjusted that. But you
Speaker 1: don't have any trust that they would. It's their disaster
Speaker 1: right now. And I think a funny thing about this
Speaker 1: is Scott. You mentioned Juwan Jennings. I think Juwan Jennings
Speaker 1: unanimously across the board. If we're if you know, someone
Speaker 1: came into a live chat and said, Hey, who would
Speaker 1: you start this week? Jennings or Downs? I think we
Speaker 1: would all slam Jennings that this point. And I think
Speaker 1: there are a tier difference. I think those guys have
Speaker 1: now moved in to I think maybe Downs was the
Speaker 1: top of a tier and Jennings was at the bottom
Speaker 1: of it. Downs is now kicked out of that tier,
Speaker 1: and Jennings is a no brain start, especially moving into
Speaker 1: that XT role over Josh Downs. Trying to get into
Speaker 1: what Jawan Jennings are a little bit a couple other Well,
Speaker 1: actually we had Jawan Jennings. We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: in just a tiny bit in the next range. Zay
Speaker 1: Flowers ECR sixteen. This is one that we just have
Speaker 1: a big difference on Pinowski. You've got him at sixteen
Speaker 1: as well, Fitz, you've got him down at twenty two.
Speaker 1: Going up against the Pittsburgh Steelers, interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin did really light them up. The matchups can
Speaker 1: be a little bit difficult sometimes on the Steelers, but
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin really lit them up. What's got you putting
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers almost out of wide receiver two range pat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not really the matchup or the possibility of
Speaker 2: a Joey Porter junior shadow. It's more about my concerns
Speaker 2: with day flowers target volume going forward. And he had
Speaker 2: been getting pretty ample target volume in the early part
Speaker 2: of the season. So he's gone over one hundred yards
Speaker 2: in four of his last six games. And Jay Flower
Speaker 2: saw nine or more targets in four of the Ravens
Speaker 2: first six games this season. That's pretty good, but the
Speaker 2: target volume over Baltimore's last four games has fallen off.
Speaker 2: His target counts in those four games one, twelve, six,
Speaker 2: and six, and the twelve came in the game before
Speaker 2: the Deontay Johnson trade. Now, Deontay hasn't played much of
Speaker 2: a role. He's had twenty two snaps played in Baltimore's
Speaker 2: first two games, but John Harbaugh said they are going
Speaker 2: to ramp up his usage going forward, so he's going
Speaker 2: to be used more. And oh, by the way, Deontay
Speaker 2: Johnson revenge game against the Steelers this week, and Mark
Speaker 2: Andrews seems like he's being back to being Mark Andrews
Speaker 2: season high seven targets against the Bengals last week. So
Speaker 2: I have nothing bad to say about Jay Flowers. I
Speaker 2: just think there could be kind of a target squeeze
Speaker 2: on him and the rest of the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Scott, it's not to say that you're like
Speaker 1: super optimistic or anything. You have him at ECR. Is
Speaker 1: there anything you want to add into maybe some of
Speaker 1: the pessimism that's kind of thrown out there as far
Speaker 1: as what that offense is looking like and where Pat
Speaker 1: has is a Flowers ranked?
Speaker 3: Yeah, two things I'll say pro Flowers. One, as Pat said,
Speaker 3: the four one hundred yard games out of six, and
Speaker 3: he would have had a big game, I believe against
Speaker 3: Tampa had he not gotten hurt early in that game.
Speaker 4: And I think they just backed off Flowers.
Speaker 3: So I throw that game completely out to me, it's
Speaker 3: like four hundred yard games in five. Now I realize
Speaker 3: he doesn't get in on the pinball game. The Bengals
Speaker 3: and Ravens played a glorious fantasy game last Thursday, and
Speaker 3: Flowers had very little involvement. But I think the Ravens
Speaker 3: took Deontay Johnson because the price was so cheap. I
Speaker 3: don't think he necessarily filled a glaring need for them.
Speaker 3: They already had decent receiver depth. They thought, okay, they're
Speaker 3: going to give Deanty Johnson away. We'll take him, we'll
Speaker 3: find something for him to do. But I don't think
Speaker 3: he's a threat at all to the routes that Flowers
Speaker 3: wins on me. He's just the guy moves like a slinky.
Speaker 3: He's his lateral agility and ability to change direction on
Speaker 3: a dime. It's just, I mean, my ankles break when
Speaker 3: I watch the guy on film or just on regular TV.
Speaker 3: So you have to accept that Flowers is never going
Speaker 3: to be a huge target guy. He doesn't have ten
Speaker 3: targets in any game this year. This is how the
Speaker 3: Ravens operate. But he's gonna make two or three chunk
Speaker 3: plays in this game. I know the Steelers, you fear
Speaker 3: their defense quote unquote, but I think the end of
Speaker 3: the day, Flowers is gonna have like, you know, four
Speaker 3: for eighty five, and I'd give him maybe a twenty
Speaker 3: to thirty percent chance at a touchdown. He's somebody I'm
Speaker 3: gonna confidently play. And Deontay Johnson another guy. I think
Speaker 3: you could actually.
Speaker 1: Drop I think you could easily drop him a move
Speaker 1: that even without a corresponding ad by the way, you
Speaker 1: just drop him just you know, revenge game against the Steelers.
Speaker 4: You can have revenge drop against Deontay Johnson. I'm tory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just spit. I like spy drops. I'm down
Speaker 1: for like just a spy drop, Like, oh, what did
Speaker 1: you mean? Nothing? Just I just wanted to drop him,
Speaker 1: just to make a point. That's all that I was doing.
Speaker 1: Cedric Tillman was a popular pick up a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, then goes on a buy everybody you know,
Speaker 1: getting that excitement build up. So where does that lead
Speaker 1: us to this week? ECR twenty three fits at twenty four. Scott,
Speaker 1: you are the high man at twenty two. So actually
Speaker 1: let's kick it to you on your optimism or what
Speaker 1: do you think we're getting out of Cedric Tillman because
Speaker 1: the wide receiver two territory is a big statement. Also
Speaker 1: pointing out here's some players that you know. He is
Speaker 1: currently being ranked above Devonte Smith, Jackson Smith and Jigba
Speaker 1: Tank Dell Khalil Shakira. I mean this is a pretty
Speaker 1: big group. He is like firmly sitting in this wide
Speaker 1: receiver two range. So let's get your take on starting
Speaker 1: him this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cedric Tillman more like Cedric the entertainer. The last
Speaker 3: three weeks, he's played half point PPR. He's wide receiver twelve,
Speaker 3: wide receiver three, and wide receiver fourteen. And the two games,
Speaker 3: the twelve and the three were with Jameis Winston. Of course,
Speaker 3: Jameis Winston's revenge game against the Saints. If he has
Speaker 3: any I don't know if he has any bad feelings there.
Speaker 3: Jameis Winston is just fun, right. He's gonna throw some
Speaker 3: into his guys. He's gonna throw some to the other guys.
Speaker 3: He's going to look to throw downfield. And the target
Speaker 3: shares have been there too, twelve, nine and eleven targets.
Speaker 3: So Tilman's the number one receiver. Cooper obviously was traded
Speaker 3: about a month ago. So against the New Orleans defense,
Speaker 3: maybe you think that it's easier to run on them,
Speaker 3: but you know they traded a lot of more.
Speaker 4: They're allowing chunk plays.
Speaker 3: They didn't offer much resistance last week to a bad opponent,
Speaker 3: So I think Cedric Tillman. Now the schedule is going
Speaker 3: to get nasty forward Pittsburgh Denver, another Pittsburgh game, Kansas City,
Speaker 3: though Baltimore is lying in Week eighteen. I guess it
Speaker 3: doesn't work for fantasy purposes, But I don't love Tilman's
Speaker 3: schedule going forward. But I'm expecting what he's done a
Speaker 3: very consistent return the last three weeks. I think he's
Speaker 3: gonna be right in line with that. Something like seven
Speaker 3: for ninety and a touchdown sounds about right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm positive is they're just going to probably be
Speaker 1: playing from behind every single game. One of the weird
Speaker 1: thing like Winston's made a bunch of those wide receivers
Speaker 1: just like Target Hawks. Now there's like three guys at
Speaker 1: Gillian Moore is starting to get targets and Jerry Judy
Speaker 1: is getting back into it. Tilman is the most talented player,
Speaker 1: and he stacked a couple of weeks in their fits.
Speaker 1: So do you have any added stuff for Cedric Tillman
Speaker 1: for this week?
Speaker 2: The only thing I'll add like Scott was pretty much
Speaker 2: spot on about the assessment. I like like this that
Speaker 2: this is really his last good matchup before things get
Speaker 2: a little scary with the matchups. The only cold water
Speaker 2: I have to throw on Cedric Tillman. Is that in
Speaker 2: Jameis Winston's first two starts for the Browns, he has
Speaker 2: thrown forty one and forty six passes like he has
Speaker 2: been throwing it all over the yard. And it's not
Speaker 2: just Tillman who's getting.
Speaker 4: A lot of targets. It's the target.
Speaker 2: Counts for Browns wide receivers over Jameis Winston's two starts
Speaker 2: twenty one, Elijah Moore twenty, Cedric Tillman nineteen, Jerry Judy
Speaker 2: and by the way, they have a really good tight
Speaker 2: end with David Nijoku. So I worry that he does
Speaker 2: not have nine or ten targets in his back pocket.
Speaker 2: I worry that there's a possibility that if the game
Speaker 2: script goes hey wired, it could be five or six.
Speaker 2: So that's really my only concern that maybe the target
Speaker 2: volume doesn't look as good as it has in these
Speaker 2: last two games. For Cedric Tillman.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver three times, it's wide receiver twenty five through
Speaker 1: thirty six. DeVante Smith comes in at twenty five, Juwan
Speaker 1: Jennings at twelve six. They got Khalil Shakir, Lad mcconki, Jackson,
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba and Tank Dell. That is our into
Speaker 1: the thirty range. Jacoby Myers, Jamison Williams, Brian Thomas Junior,
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, Amari Cooper and Jerry Judy at thirty six
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit, or I talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about Juwan Jennings. Let's kick it over, Fitz. You
Speaker 1: got Juwan Jennings at twenty six. Scott, you're a little
Speaker 1: bit lower on him. I will probably be the high guy.
Speaker 1: Love seeing him in that X spot and pretty absolutely
Speaker 1: loves him. Fits. What do you got on Juwan Jennings.
Speaker 1: We affirmed that Jennings over Downs is kind of a
Speaker 1: no brainer. What about Jennings versus Tillman? How close? I
Speaker 1: think those are? Like a legit question someone might have, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I need a wide receiver, three, I have both Tilman
Speaker 1: and Juwan Jennings. Are you going to side on Tillman
Speaker 1: by a large, large margin or Juwan Jennings is he
Speaker 1: in play here?
Speaker 2: I've still got Tilman two spots ahead of Jennings, but
Speaker 2: we are all realizing what a good player Juwan Jennings
Speaker 2: is this season, and now the forty nine ers are
Speaker 2: basically asking him to play the role that Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 2: had played as the primary downfield receiver in that offense,
Speaker 2: and he's delivering the same sort of efficiency that we
Speaker 2: saw Brandon Ayuk deliver last year. Sixty eight point one
Speaker 2: percent catch rate for Juwan Jennings so far this season
Speaker 2: ten point four yards per target really good. And now
Speaker 2: he's playing a lot ninety one percent snapchare last week
Speaker 2: eleven targets, seven catches, ninety three yards. I think he's
Speaker 2: pretty close to Hi. Must start against the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Scott. You've got him at wide receiver thirty, so it's
Speaker 1: like a fringey wide receiver three here. What is keeping
Speaker 1: him from being a wide receiver to this week?
Speaker 3: Just the messiness of my early week ranks, because when
Speaker 3: I was doing my Josh Downs adjustment, I realized I
Speaker 3: had Juwan Jennings way too low.
Speaker 4: He had that blow up game earlier this year.
Speaker 3: What one hundred and seventy five yards I think the
Speaker 3: three touchdowns. And Bill James, the base Wall stat guy,
Speaker 3: talked about something called signature significance. So like if a
Speaker 3: baseball pitcher through a fifteen strikeout game, it's probably impossible
Speaker 3: for that player not to be a special pitcher. Even
Speaker 3: though generally we want large samples, but when a small
Speaker 3: sample has such an amplitude, it usually means that there
Speaker 3: could be something behind it. We don't need to get
Speaker 3: the big sample. And I felt that that game that
Speaker 3: won seventy five and three game for Jennings meant signature signfficance.
Speaker 3: I think he had like ninety one yards the next game.
Speaker 3: Then he got hurt, but he looked terrific last week.
Speaker 3: To me, he can make plays after the catch, He
Speaker 3: can threaten all straight out of the field. The fact
Speaker 3: that they've thrown him into the ayu role immediately speaks
Speaker 3: to how comfortable they are with it.
Speaker 4: And he's been there for a while. They paid him too.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of it was because of his
Speaker 3: blocking and everything, but he's been around the league. You know,
Speaker 3: he's been with the team, He's been in the meetings
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, and he party trusts them, Shanahan
Speaker 3: trusts him. I think he's a locked in wide receiver too.
Speaker 3: I just didn't have him ranked highly enough. I do
Speaker 3: slightly prefer Tillman because I think Tillman's maybe more important
Speaker 3: to his offense than Jennings is to his but you know,
Speaker 3: I earlier we were.
Speaker 4: Talking about all these teams.
Speaker 3: You know, quarterbacks are hurt, quarterbacks are benched, your teams
Speaker 3: are shipwrecked. We don't trust this team, that team. We
Speaker 3: trust the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: And so when you can set your lineup and you're
Speaker 3: investing in an ex receiver and every snap basically in
Speaker 3: every pass route receiver basically tied to Kyle Shanahan and
Speaker 3: tied to Brock Purty, sure tied to the San Francisco
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers, I'm in. I think Jenning says eight
Speaker 3: to ten targets in his foreseeable future every week.
Speaker 2: Scott, Oh, I'm sorry. I was just gonna ask if
Speaker 2: Markzvel does Scantling meets the threshold for signature significance MBS man.
Speaker 4: You know, I joke that every receiver has some humor
Speaker 4: bust in his game.
Speaker 3: But the thing with MVS is he he will give
Speaker 3: you thirteen bus and you just don't know. He's the
Speaker 3: human Rulett wheel, right. The number is going to come
Speaker 3: up at some point, but you might be there all night,
Speaker 3: like like in Lost in America where Albert Brooks's wife
Speaker 3: is betting the same roulette number every every time, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean that, that's what MVS is. His odds of
Speaker 3: hitting are probably the same as hitting one roulette number,
Speaker 3: so he's hit it. I wasn't proud I picked him up.
Speaker 3: In a couple of leagues. I didn't make make proactive bids.
Speaker 3: I actually didn't really want to win them. And now
Speaker 3: I have MVS. I really don't want to start them.
Speaker 3: But the Saints are just they have you played two
Speaker 3: awesome games, and since then all they've done other than
Speaker 3: Kamara is break our heart. Nobody can time Taysom Hill properly,
Speaker 3: and Chris Olave can't stay healthy, which is awful. There
Speaker 3: was a breakout season for the other receiver.
Speaker 4: Who got hurt.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that two when O start feels like
Speaker 3: it was nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1: It's very shameful talking about MVS. We're not going to
Speaker 1: do it. We're actually what I wanted to ask.
Speaker 3: Well receiver fifty three for me, I'll just give it
Speaker 3: out to you, Pat how Yeah.
Speaker 1: Don't start him. Don't start.
Speaker 2: I think I'm a little lower than that.
Speaker 4: Okay, no, maybe right around there, even lower than that.
Speaker 1: I might even be a little bit higher. But what
Speaker 1: I want to ask is you only got mvs if
Speaker 1: a Ricky Piersoll was not available or b you didn't
Speaker 1: bid enough, and Ricky Piarsol was at the tippy top
Speaker 1: of the waivers. And since we were talking about Juwan Jennings,
Speaker 1: I want to throw this out on where you guys
Speaker 1: are as far as startability. ECR forty puts him as
Speaker 1: like a mid tier flex this week. Pat, Let's go
Speaker 1: to you real quick, Juwan Jennings, you're in on? Are
Speaker 1: you in on Piarsol as a flex starter? What's your
Speaker 1: rank range?
Speaker 2: I've got him wide receiver forty five. I'd rather not
Speaker 2: play him if I didn't have to. It's just that,
Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't think there's a safe target
Speaker 2: floor with him and probably a max of like six
Speaker 2: or seven targets. He only played about sixty sixty four
Speaker 2: percent of the offensive snaps last week, and the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers just don't use a third wide out as
Speaker 2: much as some other teams because they like to play
Speaker 2: cal juice check a lot.
Speaker 1: The only interesting thing about that I'm gonna push back
Speaker 1: against is his snap percentage might be lower, but the
Speaker 1: target percentage of his snaps is higher, and it's it's
Speaker 1: very similar to what they do with Juwan Jennings when
Speaker 1: John Jennings wouldn't play the three downs, you know, or
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be the full down guy. He'd be the
Speaker 1: third wide receiver to come in and then they would
Speaker 1: get him the ball. The usage of Pisaul because of
Speaker 1: his speed makes him interesting, but I think the he
Speaker 1: is like, he's not really trustworthy. Scott, You've got him
Speaker 1: a little bit higher. I think you've got him more
Speaker 1: mid flex range. Are you okay with putting him out
Speaker 1: here this week? What's the rank?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't feel bad about it.
Speaker 3: The only problem is that you McCaffrey's ahead of him,
Speaker 3: Kittles ahead of him, Deebo's ahead of him. We just
Speaker 3: you know, sang a folk song and wrote a sign
Speaker 3: up for Drewon Jennings, who's ahead of him. So even
Speaker 3: you know, Purty will run for maybe twenty yards in
Speaker 3: a given week. So I think they like Pierce all
Speaker 3: and the fact that he's doing anything after the way
Speaker 3: his rookie season started, you know, the unfortunate news in
Speaker 3: the summer. I mean, it's just nice to see him producing.
Speaker 3: His touchdown was suitable for framing, but just a lot
Speaker 3: of people, a lot of a lot of established made
Speaker 3: men in front of him on the San Francisco offense.
Speaker 3: So I think he's more of a you could flex him.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's somebody you have to play, but
Speaker 3: at least if you do play him, you're betting on
Speaker 3: a good infrastructure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all of the target conversation. He did do
Speaker 1: it this last week, So something to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on going up against the Seahawks. The final one, I'm
Speaker 1: actually going to turn into a little debate between these guys.
Speaker 1: We had Jamison Williams really polarizing, kind of questionable player.
Speaker 1: ECR thirty two. Fitch, you've got him at thirty, Pinowski
Speaker 1: you got him at thirty four. Who you know? His
Speaker 1: ECR is the sandwich between your guys's ranks. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because this is a guy that was inside the
Speaker 1: top twenty for a period of time. Another guy that
Speaker 1: hid inside the top twenty was Brian Thomas Junior. Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas felt we all felt very comfortable about now Mac
Speaker 1: Jones is the quarterback, and we don't this week in
Speaker 1: the ECR. As we are recording this, Jamison Williams is
Speaker 1: higher than Brian Thomas right now. That's the level of
Speaker 1: where we've gone. So, Scott, this is a Jamison Williams question.
Speaker 1: But Jamis Williams versus Brian Thomas? Who is the winner
Speaker 1: of this? Who you starting? And what is the rank
Speaker 1: discrepancy for you?
Speaker 3: I have them next to each other, but I have
Speaker 3: to play Jamison Williams. And a month ago I would
Speaker 3: have said, well, Jameson Williams, you're betting on a big
Speaker 3: play on low volume Brian Thomas. He's probably a better
Speaker 3: player right now, heavier volume.
Speaker 4: What happened to that volume?
Speaker 3: The last four games, Brian Thomas has three, four, four
Speaker 3: and five targets. That's a fireable offense right there. He's
Speaker 3: the best player on this Jacksonville offense. Everybody sees it
Speaker 3: except for the people who need to see at the
Speaker 3: quarterback and the coach and Detroit's man. You know, Detroit
Speaker 3: the NFC favorite right now, probably the second Super Bowl
Speaker 3: favorite after the Chiefs. I don't know how the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: How much longer the Chiefs are going to make up
Speaker 3: these ways to win games, but they keep doing it.
Speaker 3: But don't miss how good the Detroit defense is playing
Speaker 3: right kept them in that game. They should have been
Speaker 3: blown out in the first half when Golf was just
Speaker 3: s throwing picks every other snap. Defense kept them in
Speaker 3: the game, forced a lot of field goals or secondaries
Speaker 3: playing really well the pass rush. They have to blitz more.
Speaker 3: With Hutchinson out. I know eventually hy Darius White will
Speaker 3: step in, but their secondary has been unbelievable. I think
Speaker 3: they're actually going to do a decent job with Thomas here.
Speaker 3: So Jameson Williams, you're only get in four or five targets.
Speaker 3: You just hope it's at least they you know, they
Speaker 3: scheme up a lot of splashy plays for him, and
Speaker 3: it's an offense. You know, Ben Johnson is going to
Speaker 3: be a head coach next year. He knows how to
Speaker 3: use James Williams. A little bit frustrated that Jameson Wims
Speaker 3: has turned into a one man bingo card with some
Speaker 3: of his off the field problems. But I just don't
Speaker 3: trust the Jaguars. You would think Gamescript right, he's going
Speaker 3: to see eight to ten targets.
Speaker 4: He has to. They're going to get.
Speaker 3: Blown out here, But on trust Mac Jones. I think
Speaker 3: Detroit's secondary is playing awfully well. I think this is
Speaker 3: going to be a blowout where maybe the Jaguars score
Speaker 3: one touchdown for the first time all season.
Speaker 4: I don't want to start. Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 1: Tell you what which Jamison Williams's only gambling issue was
Speaker 1: Bingo Fitz. What do you think about Brian Thomas Junior
Speaker 1: versus Jamison Williams. Is there a rank of difference ec
Speaker 1: R s is there next to each other, but in
Speaker 1: favor of Jamison.
Speaker 2: I've got Jamison like seven spots higher. And I totally
Speaker 2: agree with Scott. Give me the guy in the Arnold
Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger offense versus the guy in the Pee wee Herman offense.
Speaker 2: And again, like we targets are not really that big
Speaker 2: a difference, Like neither guy is getting the amount of
Speaker 2: targets you want to see. And we know that the
Speaker 2: Lions will just squeeze the life out of opponents with
Speaker 2: the running game if they can, and they probably can
Speaker 2: this week as thirteen and a half point home favorites
Speaker 2: against the Jags. So Jared Goff has thrown twenty five
Speaker 2: or fewer passes, and six of Detroit's nine games this
Speaker 2: season under twenty passes twice, So this could be a
Speaker 2: game where maybe Gough only throws like sixteen or seventeen passes.
Speaker 2: But look, we could see two or three huge plays
Speaker 2: for Jamison Williams long gains touchdowns, or we could basically
Speaker 2: see the Lions throw on the wishbone and he gets
Speaker 2: like one catch for eleven yards. So it's not without risk.
Speaker 2: But man, there's just nothing to like about this Jaguars
Speaker 2: offense right now.
Speaker 4: You know you mentioned Pewee Herman.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch the pee Wee Herman show, but I
Speaker 3: am old enough to remember when Irving Fryar would celebrate
Speaker 3: touchdowns with a pee Wee Herman celebration. Somebody had to
Speaker 3: tell me it was a pee Wee Herman celebration because
Speaker 3: I really didn't.
Speaker 4: Know much about pee Wee Herman.
Speaker 3: But Irving Fryar, former number one overall pick out of Nebraska,
Speaker 3: what are those weird players? By the way, who was
Speaker 3: better in the second half of his career. He actually
Speaker 3: was really good for the Eagles for a while, was
Speaker 3: really good for Miami for a while. The joke with
Speaker 3: with with Fryar was that he had a problem with
Speaker 3: there was a knife in the knife incident in his
Speaker 3: kitchen one day, and then he left a game early
Speaker 3: once and got in a car accident. And two different
Speaker 3: Boston Globe sports writers had the same lead. It was
Speaker 3: first it was a knife in the kitchen, then it
Speaker 3: was a fok in the road, and those two writers
Speaker 3: to this day debate on who actually wrote it and
Speaker 3: who actually stole it from the other guy. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to name the two writers involved, but I think
Speaker 3: I know my call. You at the Province Journal I
Speaker 3: believe was in the right, and the guy at the
Speaker 3: Boston Globe I believe was in the wrong. But anyway,
Speaker 3: Irving Fryar, what a time to be alive with the
Speaker 3: nineteen eighties New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: Let's jump right into our quarterback rankings, and yes we
Speaker 1: are going to talk about said Anthony Richardson, because guess what,
Speaker 1: he is not going to be in this top twelve
Speaker 1: maybe no matter what, he won't be. But that was
Speaker 1: the news that broke before we started recording. Anthony Richardson
Speaker 1: is back in as quarterback for the Colts rest of season,
Speaker 1: so even if he were to be top twelve, he
Speaker 1: is not reflective on here what the top twelve board
Speaker 1: looks like which will jump into quarterback number one Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: We've got Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels, and Brock
Speaker 1: Perty rounding out our top five. Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Russ Wilson, Bow Knicks and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: That is your top twelve. Those are pretty chalky plays.
Speaker 1: Maybe not so much bo Nix, but the rushing side
Speaker 1: has definitely pushed him into here. We do have a
Speaker 1: fun question on one of these I got to hit,
Speaker 1: but we got to talk about Anthony Richardson at the
Speaker 1: top here and Fitz, let's start with you. He is
Speaker 1: now the starting quarterback. A. Will he be in the
Speaker 1: top twelve if not? B? Will he even sniff the
Speaker 1: top twelve? What does this do to your quarterback rankings?
Speaker 1: With Richardson joining the Fray.
Speaker 2: I think I've slotted him in at quarterback twenty or
Speaker 2: quarterback twenty one, which is about four spots higher than
Speaker 2: I had Joe Flacco when I thought he was going
Speaker 2: to be the starter. I doubt he's going to be
Speaker 2: able to do a lot of business through the air
Speaker 2: against the Jets. I know the Jets defense has been
Speaker 2: really disappointing in a lot of ways this season, but
Speaker 2: the metric skill say it's a pretty good pass defense.
Speaker 2: So Anthony Richardson is always a threat to do damage
Speaker 2: as a runner, but that's sort of inconsistent damage and
Speaker 2: you don't really get it every week, or at least
Speaker 2: we haven't in the games he's played this season. So
Speaker 2: really hit or miss mid range to low end QB two.
Speaker 1: Scott, did you have on your player card at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season that bow Knicks would be just
Speaker 1: ten spots higher than Anthony Richardson every single week? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess you're gonna probably have him in that twenty
Speaker 1: range too. Bow Nick and Anthony Richardson is not even
Speaker 1: a fantasy question at this point.
Speaker 3: Well, in a season where I've gotten a lot wrong,
Speaker 3: I was actually pretty far ahead of the bow Knicks consensus.
Speaker 3: I thought he was a really good super flex play.
Speaker 3: So that's one thing I got right. It's not a
Speaker 3: league winning decision, but it is a green check mark.
Speaker 3: But one thing I'm worried about with Anthony Richardson he
Speaker 3: slots quarterback twenty four for me, is that he's made
Speaker 3: bad decisions, not just in the pocket but as a runner,
Speaker 3: and I wonder if they're going to be less proactive
Speaker 3: with him as a runner. I know this is speculation.
Speaker 3: I mean, who the heck knows? And the Jets defense,
Speaker 3: I think I would like to think the Jets defense
Speaker 3: will actually show up this week. They did not show
Speaker 3: up at Arizona. What twenty eight first downs on fifty
Speaker 3: seven snaps or something like that. That's a historically bad
Speaker 3: performance against that. I'llbe at an Arizona offense that can
Speaker 3: make you look bad on the right day. But I
Speaker 3: don't know what version of Richardson we're getting. The thing
Speaker 3: I really to point out is that the Colts have
Speaker 3: played a harder than average schedule to this point. The
Speaker 3: schedule gets easier going forward. This is a good on
Speaker 3: board spot, even if we're being denied the Joe flackovervenge.
Speaker 3: Get a lot of revenge games every week. The flackover
Speaker 3: revenge game against the Jets I was looking forward to.
Speaker 3: We've been denied that. But I don't see the same
Speaker 3: rushing equity for Richardson that I might have seen two
Speaker 3: months ago. Even two months ago, I was like, why
Speaker 3: are you taking Anthony Richardson. Jaden Daniels offers all the
Speaker 3: things you like about Richardson, and he's already a better passer,
Speaker 3: he's already had more experience as a college player. There
Speaker 3: are just so many flags with Richardson anyway. But the
Speaker 3: culture doing the right thing, I know it kind of
Speaker 3: took their wide receiver ranks all down. We talked about
Speaker 3: that on the different podcast. But I don't have Richardson
Speaker 3: as a proactive play at all, even in super flex leagues.
Speaker 3: I'd like to see a game approve it game before
Speaker 3: I put anything close to a circle of trust.
Speaker 1: So he might be the quarterback that's on people's minds
Speaker 1: because it's in the news, but it doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: he's fantasy relevant. I think that's a big thing to
Speaker 1: take away because I think people are going to be
Speaker 1: tempted with asking that question, one that maybe people did
Speaker 1: not also have on their card and just kind of
Speaker 1: stands out a little bit when you see a lot
Speaker 1: of Chalky plays. Is Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson is ten
Speaker 1: on the QB list this week, going up against Baltimore,
Speaker 1: which is actually given a four star rating on Fantasy
Speaker 1: pros ranks and a B matchup grade. But this is
Speaker 1: where you two have got a really big discrepancy as
Speaker 1: far as QB goes. Scott, you are higher. You've got
Speaker 1: him at QB seven and Fitz does not have him
Speaker 1: as QB one. So Scott, let's start with you on
Speaker 1: your take and why you've got Russell Wilson so high
Speaker 1: on these ranks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I know that the touchdown rate for Russell Wilson is
Speaker 3: probably unsustainable, and we know Pittsburgh runs the ball more
Speaker 3: proactively than any team in the NFL, but they have
Speaker 3: to look at this matchup. Everybody is throwing the ball
Speaker 3: all over the yard against the Ravens. Doesn't matter if
Speaker 3: you're a good offense a bad offense. How did the
Speaker 3: Raiders ever win at Baltimore?
Speaker 4: It's never going to figure that one out.
Speaker 3: But so I think Russell Wilson already has two touchdowns
Speaker 3: in his back pocket. And if the Ravens, granted we
Speaker 3: think about Baltimore Pittsburgh games, they're usually those rock fights,
Speaker 3: those sixteen thirteen games. This is going to blow up
Speaker 3: that that theme. This is going to be a thirty
Speaker 3: to twenty seven type of game, or at least a
Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty three type of game, and so
Speaker 3: I think Wilson will get his multiple touchdowns, will probably
Speaker 3: pass thirty to thirty five, maybe even forty times in
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 4: It's not the way Pittsburgh wants to play.
Speaker 3: Baltimore will force them because of the correct the quality
Speaker 3: of their offense and because of the shoddy nature of
Speaker 3: their secondary. Just everybody, I think what Jameis Winston did
Speaker 3: against the Ravens with a few picks to the side
Speaker 3: or drop picks to the side. I mean, everybody throws
Speaker 3: against Baltimore. I think Pittsburgh would be silly not to
Speaker 3: try to take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's clearly going to be the game plan
Speaker 1: is you can throw on Baltimore if anything else, that's
Speaker 1: what you can do. But fits you're not as optimistic.
Speaker 1: You've got him a QB sixteen right now. So that's
Speaker 1: like mid tier, like super flex second quarterback, not touch
Speaker 1: in the top ten.
Speaker 2: The ranking of Ross is one I was very conflicted
Speaker 2: on this week, and maybe I should pay heed to
Speaker 2: the ranking or the matchup. I should say, because yeah,
Speaker 2: you can throw on Baltimore. It's hard to run on Baltimore.
Speaker 2: They are a pass funnel defense. I just wonder, like,
Speaker 2: is Arthur Smith going to play into that or will
Speaker 2: he beat his head against the brick wall and keep
Speaker 2: trying to run it? Because the Steelers are the second
Speaker 2: run heaviest team in the league. They're running the bond
Speaker 2: fifty three point three percent of their offensive plays. Russ
Speaker 2: has thrown fewer than thirty passes and all three of
Speaker 2: us starts so far, and Scott mentioned it like the
Speaker 2: touchdown rate seven point one percent probably not sustainable. Averaging
Speaker 2: eight point seven yards per attempts so far, that's better
Speaker 2: than any season he's had in his career. Even his
Speaker 2: heyday in Seattle, his high watermark was eight point three
Speaker 2: yards per attenpt So I don't love his pass catching weaponry,
Speaker 2: even with the addition of Mike Williams. So I'm just
Speaker 2: sort of wondering if we are going to see Arthur
Speaker 2: Smith sort of open up the throttle with this offense
Speaker 2: and throw it a lot. And you know, I just
Speaker 2: I think Russ is over his head with the efficiency
Speaker 2: so far.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, Pat, when is Russ?
Speaker 3: When has Arthur Smith ever ever let us down?
Speaker 1: Never? No kidding the quarterback you have kind of on
Speaker 1: the opposite end like your version of Russ here, Pat
Speaker 1: is CJ. Stroud. He comes in at ECR thirteen, so
Speaker 1: he didn't make this top twelve list. You've got him.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have this. I have that inverse, so
Speaker 1: that's actually Scott. You have him at eleven and Pat
Speaker 1: you also hate, you hate all of these quarterbacks at
Speaker 1: Scott likes, so I don't shame on you.
Speaker 4: C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud comes in at eleven for Scott fits at eighteen.
Speaker 1: So actually, let's fits. Why do you hate CJ?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: The obvious? Can I say?
Speaker 2: I hate his offensive line and like CJ Stroud a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, like Houston's offensive line has been crisis level
Speaker 2: bad now for a month, and over that last month
Speaker 2: four games, CJ. Stroud has completed fifty three point seven
Speaker 2: percent of his passes, averaging one hundred and ninety eight
Speaker 2: point five passing yards per game in six point six
Speaker 2: yards per attempt, and he's been sacked eighteen times. So
Speaker 2: even though Stroud is probably getting Nico Collins back this week,
Speaker 2: even though he's got a very enticing matchup against the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: and by the way, it's a much more enticing matchup
Speaker 2: for CJ. Stroud than it is for anyone who wants
Speaker 2: to watch Sunday night football this week. I mean, what
Speaker 2: a terrible capper to a Sunday of football. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I just can't get over how bad the Houston offensive
Speaker 2: line has been. And that's why I can't can't rank
Speaker 2: Stroud anywhere near QB one territory.
Speaker 1: Scott is pretty easy to envision that this is relative
Speaker 1: to Nico Collins being back finally and just kind of
Speaker 1: improving this offense in general.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad the game is on Monday, and I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm sad the game is on Monday night because if
Speaker 3: it we're a Sunday night game, I think they put
Speaker 3: one flexed out of it. And that's a decision the
Speaker 3: NFL has to make with a lot of Dallas games.
Speaker 3: We can't flex out of the Thanksgiving game, of course,
Speaker 3: but there's a bunch of standalone Cowboy games that the
Speaker 3: NFL is going to want. Do people want to watch
Speaker 3: the train Wreck? Do people want to watch Jerry Jones
Speaker 3: rose fists up against the Sun. What a strange conversation
Speaker 3: that was. I've actually, in my recent exclusive to you
Speaker 3: Fantasy pros ranks, I've moved CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud down to fourteen.
Speaker 3: And I agree with Pat's concerns about that offensive line. Also,
Speaker 3: this is a game you think it's always a double
Speaker 3: edged It's always a hit or a miss, or a
Speaker 3: gift and a curse when you have an opponent you're
Speaker 3: supposed to handle comfortably. But does that mean Stroud has
Speaker 3: to make his hay in two or three quarters because
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter is handing off the fourth quarter? Maybe
Speaker 3: he's on the bench because the game has gotten out
Speaker 3: of hand. I do think they got something going with
Speaker 3: on Mechi last week, and maybe he could be the
Speaker 3: third piece at this passing game desperately needs. And I
Speaker 3: would think Collins being as close as he was last week,
Speaker 3: I feel pretty confident he will.
Speaker 4: Play this week.
Speaker 3: But some of the seam calls, I have Nix over Stroud.
Speaker 3: Now I have Golf over Stroud. It's hard to know
Speaker 3: what you're getting from Golf, but I still have him higher.
Speaker 4: I have Patrick Mahomes. What a weird fantasy season.
Speaker 3: He's had maybe a season and a half at this point.
Speaker 3: Even Jameis Winston revenge over c. J.
Speaker 4: Stroud.
Speaker 3: So he's just a seam call for me. I don't
Speaker 3: trust the offensive line, and I think Bobby Slowick needs
Speaker 3: to get more of those easy buttons and more screens,
Speaker 3: more quick hitters because c J. Stroud they've rattled the
Speaker 3: cage and he doesn't have the confidence and the pocket
Speaker 3: presence that maybe we saw in his rookie year, and
Speaker 3: that's something they need to rebuild if Houston's going to
Speaker 3: be a serious team in the playoffs. You know, another
Speaker 3: thing with the factor and for fantasy, by the way,
Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of teams Buffalo, Houston,
Speaker 3: the Lions may come into this. We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 3: But the Chiefs for sure that could probably clinch their
Speaker 3: divisions really really early.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Almost wonder if the needs a different structure because these
Speaker 3: fourteen divisions can often get out of hand quickly, and
Speaker 3: then teams have to play a very unusual guessing game
Speaker 3: in December. You know, how much should we play hurt guys?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Should we rest?
Speaker 3: Are we gonna get rusty or we're gonna get boat
Speaker 3: rested in the playoffs because we're not sharp. I'm a
Speaker 3: little bit worried about what some of these teams are
Speaker 3: going to look like in December when they don't have
Speaker 3: playoff positioning really to fight over. So be glad if
Speaker 3: your players are in divisions that are competitive. Forty nine
Speaker 3: ers come to mind, because they're going to need every game.
Speaker 3: But seat your shot for me, as somebody probably needs
Speaker 3: a prove it week before he's in any level of
Speaker 3: trust for me.
Speaker 1: Let's go look at the tight end ranks. The top
Speaker 1: twelve on the board for this week. Speaking of the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, George Kittle is at the tippy top.
Speaker 1: For our tight end ranks, We've got Travis Kelce Brock
Speaker 1: Bauers copy paste for your top three. David Njoku comes
Speaker 1: in at number four, followed by t J. Hockinson, Bam
Speaker 1: TJ Hawkinson top five. Well, I almost acted like more
Speaker 1: surprise than I should have been. Mark Andrews at six.
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, Kyle Pitts, Tucker Craft, Taysom Hill, Sam Laporta,
Speaker 1: and Dallas Goddard pretty standard ish names. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to talk yourself off of those. Taysom Hill maybe
Speaker 1: like the dicest of questionable ones, but we do have
Speaker 1: a few little discrepancies as far as the ranks go.
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, e c R seven, Scott You've got him
Speaker 1: at eight and fits you got him at ten. Fits.
Speaker 1: Is this all about mac Jones. Mac Jones not throwing
Speaker 1: to tight ends or being efficient or just you know,
Speaker 1: being good?
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: I mean you talked about the grossness of the tight
Speaker 2: end position well sh at the top of the show,
Speaker 2: and yeah, there you have it. Like two of the
Speaker 2: guys we thought maybe were dependable at least as far
Speaker 2: as volume, Evan Ingram Jake Ferguson completely kneecapped by their
Speaker 2: quarterback situations now. So those guys are outside the circle
Speaker 2: of trust where they were once safely inside. And this
Speaker 2: is why we're pumping up TJ. Howkinson, a guy coming
Speaker 2: off a major knee injury, and Mark Andrews, a guy
Speaker 2: who you know was a ghost for the first five
Speaker 2: or six games of the season, all of a sudden
Speaker 2: their top six tight ends now. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: like Ingram at eight targets last week six catches. Those
Speaker 2: six catches netted forty yards. I feel like that's basically
Speaker 2: like a good outcome for Evan Ingram, which is pretty sad.
Speaker 1: I remember, it's just like every week it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, Mark Andrews, and it's just like we're in
Speaker 1: a place now where it's like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: I wish you had Mark Andrews, you know, weekend and
Speaker 1: week out. But Scott your your take on Evan.
Speaker 3: Ingram, I'm just afraid they're going to score ten points
Speaker 3: for fewer And again, I think really highly of this
Speaker 3: Detroit defense, Aaron Glenn doing great job as coordinator. It
Speaker 3: just a shame Hutchinson got hurt because he was going
Speaker 3: to be in contention, I think for Defensive Player of
Speaker 3: the Year. But Darius Smith will offset some of that.
Speaker 3: They got playmakers on all three levels. And this game
Speaker 3: is going to get ugly. I know people might think,
Speaker 3: well they just beat Houston, this big statement game, national TV.
Speaker 3: Maybe this will let down. This is going to be
Speaker 3: twenty eight nothing at halftime, and it's just gonna be
Speaker 3: a matter of what the Jaguars do. Do they try
Speaker 3: to come back or they just you know, run the ball,
Speaker 3: get on the bus and reevaluate. Maybe Doug Peterson doesn't
Speaker 3: make it out of November, but this is you can't
Speaker 3: One thing you could always hang your hat on with
Speaker 3: Ingram is that Trevor Lawrence never met a five yard pass.
Speaker 3: You didn't want to throw. I don't know if mac
Speaker 3: Jones is gonna be the same guy or not. I mean,
Speaker 3: as poorly as Lawrence is playing, we have to take
Speaker 3: this offense even further down with mac Jones. So I
Speaker 3: mean Tuckercraft for me is over Ingram Pitts, who's never
Speaker 3: somebody you can never feel that good about, is over Ingram.
Speaker 4: And I may even play Taysom Hill over ever and
Speaker 4: Ingram too.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the Lions of a lot of
Speaker 2: the second fewest fantasy points to tight ends too, So
Speaker 2: it's a bad matchup and it's the mac Jones factor.
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Speaker 1: do that Betting the first half of the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1: Whatever the spread is, I will be doing that. Another
Speaker 1: tight end on here is Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard tight
Speaker 1: end twelve. Pinowski, you got him at twelve, fits, you've
Speaker 1: got him at sixteen. So let's go to the hate
Speaker 1: real quick. One thing I was going to note is like,
Speaker 1: it's funny because I felt like there was so much
Speaker 1: like every week it was like, oh, you know, this
Speaker 1: guy could maybe do this, and it was like maybe
Speaker 1: we go here. I don't feel like that exists anymore.
Speaker 1: Like we're not interested in Cole Kmet you know, like
Speaker 1: prat firemooth is, you know, you're kind of screwed and
Speaker 1: you got to throw him in here. We're not trying
Speaker 1: to make statements for Colby Parkinson. Like we kind of
Speaker 1: know what tight end is now and it's not that
Speaker 1: great and Dallas Goddard is probably a representation of it
Speaker 1: and he has fallen outside of your top twelve.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hate to be the hater on the Quarterback tight
Speaker 2: End Show, the designated hater, but I have to be
Speaker 2: that way because while it was nice to see Dallallas
Speaker 2: Goddard come back and score a touchdown, in his first
Speaker 2: game back from an ankle injury, he did have two
Speaker 2: catches for twenty five yards, and that's kind of the
Speaker 2: concern with me, the target volume, the reception volume. Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts his thrown twenty five or fewer passes in each
Speaker 2: of his last five games. This is another team that
Speaker 2: will try to line it up in the wishbone practically
Speaker 2: and run it down your throats. The Eagles They've averaged
Speaker 2: twenty point six pass attempts over those five games, So
Speaker 2: this is the run heaviest team in the league, and
Speaker 2: Goddard has to share what few targets there are with
Speaker 2: aj Brown and DeVante Smith Scott.
Speaker 1: Is Dallas Goddard the line of like where you just
Speaker 1: put your hand your hands up at tight an You're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know cause you got like
Speaker 1: Laporta before that taysto them. We kind of know what
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill is, But is Dallas Goddard the start of
Speaker 1: like okay, like literally this is like an audible version
Speaker 1: of Dallas Goddard is going okay, like is that what
Speaker 1: he is? Or do you have a little bit more
Speaker 1: trust in him?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It's like kind of punt formation right, I mean, are
Speaker 3: you playing him or Friarmouth you're playing him, or even
Speaker 3: Will Disley or Jake Ferguson with no quarterback Hunter Henry
Speaker 3: not consistent, John new Smith.
Speaker 4: Guys like that.
Speaker 3: When Goddard has produced this week, it's been this year,
Speaker 3: it's been because one of.
Speaker 4: His major receivers hasn't been available.
Speaker 3: So with everybody on deck in Philadelphia, you figure out
Speaker 3: he's gonna have two or three catches.
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