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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how stup

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Speaker 1: works dot com. Hey you welcome to stuff to blow

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Speaker 1: your mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Christian Seger. Robert.

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Speaker 1: The audience probably doesn't know this, but you're a tall person.

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Speaker 1: I'm reasonably tall. I'm six two or six three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're taller than me and Joe for sure. Though, as

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Speaker 1: we found out when we did our photo shoots a

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Speaker 1: couple of months ago, we always and whenever we do

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Speaker 1: the Facebook lives, we usually end up putting you in

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Speaker 1: the middle. So it's not like this weird lopsided three

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Speaker 1: headed creature. But yeah, you're definitely taller than the two

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Speaker 1: of us. I'm five. Depending on I guess, like how

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Speaker 1: how good my day is going. You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to think about exact heights because some of the literature

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Speaker 1: were looking after this episode. I saw estimations onto what

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Speaker 1: degree nan round up their height? Oh yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: I find that I tend to round down. Really, I

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Speaker 1: can make a claim for six three, but I'd rather

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Speaker 1: just be six two, like I'm calling it at six two.

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Speaker 1: It's I bumped my head enough at six to uh

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Speaker 1: if I even think I'm a little bit taller. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I'm just gonna have more head injuries. That's

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Speaker 1: funny because I do the opposite. I totally round up

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Speaker 1: because I'm like, you know, when when I get the

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Speaker 1: measurement at like the doctor's office or whatever, it's like

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Speaker 1: five nine and three quarters or something like that, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not totally five ten, but I just

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Speaker 1: say five ten to everybody. That's interesting, huh that somebody

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Speaker 1: should do a study on that. Uh, that would be

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Speaker 1: interesting in relation to what we're gonna talk about today.

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Speaker 1: So this is one of those like scientific I don't know,

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Speaker 1: past times that we end up seeing in like our

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Speaker 1: popular media a lot, like especially newspapers, that it's basically

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Speaker 1: like every couple of months, there's a publication that comes

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Speaker 1: out and it says, well, if you're over this height,

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Speaker 1: like if you're tall, then you're gonna live longer. If

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Speaker 1: you're short, you're gonna a die sooner, right, right, And

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Speaker 1: then like people read that and they're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: they go out of their minds. They start they go

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Speaker 1: out and they run for like two weeks, and then

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Speaker 1: they're like it's fine whatever. Well, and then likewise when

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Speaker 1: it comes to psychology. Uh, you'll find studies that that

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Speaker 1: are basically saying, oh, well, well short, shorter people that

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Speaker 1: behave like this, taller people behave like this. And then

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Speaker 1: we start turning the microscope on ourselves and like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: am I like that? Do I have a Napoleon complex?

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Speaker 1: Or am I do I have some sort of like

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Speaker 1: tall person vanity? And uh, it gets problematic because you

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Speaker 1: end up with these broad generalities, oftentimes supported, especially in

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Speaker 1: the psychology realm, by studies that are maybe not that

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Speaker 1: large and convinced. Yeah, And so this is how we

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Speaker 1: got on the track for this episode. Was one of

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Speaker 1: these studies across our desk and we're like, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting, and it was, well, we'll mention it later,

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Speaker 1: but it was about height and lung disease, and we

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Speaker 1: were like, let's actually like take a look at like

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Speaker 1: the gamut here and see like all these studies together,

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Speaker 1: what we actually come down to, like, what is is

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Speaker 1: there anything to this? And if there is, is it

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Speaker 1: better to be taller? Is it better to be short?

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Speaker 1: In terms of health and both physical and mental? I

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Speaker 1: want to touch on just a couple of quick overviews

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Speaker 1: about human height. So over the last hundred and fifty years,

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Speaker 1: the average height of people in industrialized nations has increased

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Speaker 1: approximately ten centimeters or about four inches, and today the

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Speaker 1: average human height is currently about five ft seven and

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Speaker 1: a half inches for males or one seven two centimeters

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Speaker 1: for females. Uh. And the this has said a hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty years out of all human history, that's a

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Speaker 1: very recent development. We actually have another episode of stuff

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Speaker 1: to blow your mind wanted to with Joe a while

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Speaker 1: back called Colossal the Science of Human Height that gets

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Speaker 1: a little more into why humans have grown or have

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Speaker 1: grown taller in the last hundred and fifty years, as

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Speaker 1: well as a look at certain gigantism scenarios. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that hundred and fifty years or so ends up pretty

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Speaker 1: well with our understanding of why height is related to health,

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Speaker 1: and in the basic assumption goes something like this that, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a combination of your genetic potential and what's referred

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Speaker 1: to as net nutrition. So this is the food you taken,

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Speaker 1: especially during childhood, and how it determines how tall you

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Speaker 1: can grow. But then it's referred to as net nutrition

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Speaker 1: because there's things that can take away from the the net,

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Speaker 1: such as disease. So if you're if you have disease

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Speaker 1: the world has become more developed, as wealth is spread around.

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Speaker 1: That's why, especially in the America's and Europe, there are

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Speaker 1: taller people now. Now. For a long time, historians have

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Speaker 1: used recorded height actually as an indicator of the living

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Speaker 1: standard in both our health and our income. And this

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Speaker 1: is basically because there's not a whole lot of other

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Speaker 1: data available when they're looking at old records. Right, It's

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Speaker 1: not like we would have like socio economic records of

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Speaker 1: do record their height and their weight. Uh. And so

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Speaker 1: this general assumption about people earning more money and then

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Speaker 1: that being connected to health, that's one of the big

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Speaker 1: questions here for us today. I think, I mean maybe,

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Speaker 1: so there was this instance in China, there's a study

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Speaker 1: found that height does increase as health and survival do

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Speaker 1: in the twentieth century, so we're seeing that reflected in

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Speaker 1: adult height is like quote, a crystal ball that reflects

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Speaker 1: early life conditions such as nutrition and disease. So you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's something to that, But basically, the way we're

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Speaker 1: gonna look at it today is like, what are the

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Speaker 1: meta studies on this, right, Like, has anybody bothered to

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Speaker 1: take a wide lens look at all of these and

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Speaker 1: kind of figure out, like, so, what's the truth here

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Speaker 1: ones that are detailed that are specifically about like organs

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Speaker 1: such as like your heart or your lungs or your brain,

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Speaker 1: and like whether or not those are affected by your height. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tends to live the longest and it's a based on

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Speaker 1: it's Japanese women, and like the longest in the Japanese women,

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Speaker 1: I'll do not have a reputation as being just towering

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Speaker 1: physical giants. So a lot of this, you know, you

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Speaker 1: potentially be more out of line. But when we're doing

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Speaker 1: They live to be, on average, eighty six years old.

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Speaker 1: five And in two thousand and twelve, a study found

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna find this when we look at these

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Speaker 1: proven direct relationship between height and life expectancy. But there's

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Speaker 1: live longer theory called the Methuselah gene uh. And this

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Speaker 1: But there are all kinds of factors that could be

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Speaker 1: to a good nutritious environment, therefore those people will live

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Speaker 1: evolutionary biologist Dr Armand Leroy discovered the hormone that controls

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Speaker 1: our height, which is called insulin like growth factor or

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Speaker 1: to have a longer life expectancy, right. Well, in animals

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Speaker 1: Great Danes, yeah yeah, and I think I think they

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Speaker 1: like the heights are all over the place, the percentages

431
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: are there's a lot of shifting around here. And what

432
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: we're doing here today is clearly not academic in any

433
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: sense of the term. You know, we're not using any

434
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: like statistical models to try to put all these together.

435
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: We're just basically using fast and loose D and D rules. Right, yeah, well,

436
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: we're we're not trying to make an actual um argument

437
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: for you know, a tall person or shorter shorter persons

438
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: of chances of of survival, but ready providing an overview

439
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: of what some of the studies we're saying. But so far,

440
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: let's recap. So, Robert's more likely to get cancer taller people.

441
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: Taller people are more likely to have strokes and clots.

442
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: Shorter people are more likely to have heart disease. What

443
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: about your lungs? Now, this was the study that got

444
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: us on this track. So, according to a twenty fifteen

445
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: study that was presented at the American Thoracic Society International Conference,

446
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 1: lung transplant candidates who are about five three or shorter

447
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: have to actually wait a longer time for their transplants

448
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: than taller candidates, and they're more likely to die within

449
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: a year of waiting for such trans plants. So this

450
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 1: is interesting. I have to assume that it's because of

451
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: size availability. Yeah, I mean it. This reminds us of

452
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: something that came up in our Cyborg one of our

453
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: Cyborg episodes, just talking about the size of artificial hearts,

454
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: I believe, and how initially they did not have like

455
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: they were sized for adult men, and therefore if someone

456
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: was like a smaller female or individual, just like someone

457
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: smaller than what was the ideal male size, they wouldn't fit. Yeah,

458
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: so I imagine it lines up with that. Uh. Yeah.

459
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: So they basically found that shorter adults are more likely

460
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: to be placed on mechanical ventilation and the median height

461
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: that they used was a hundred and seventies centimeters or

462
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: about five point six feet. They used a median b

463
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: m I of twenty five point four, which I don't

464
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: really know the b m I is very well, but

465
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: I looked it up on a chart and that actually

466
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: qualifies as overweight. Uh. Most of their participants were white

467
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: and male. That's important to remember as well too. So

468
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: all right, lungs sounds like shorter people are worse off brains.

469
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: What about your brains? This is a big one because

470
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: it's you know, if everything else is working, that's great,

471
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: but if the brain is not functioning properly as well, then, uh,

472
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: you know what's the point, right, Well, it turns out

473
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: that women who are five seven or taller are fifty

474
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: percent less likely to die from dementia than women who

475
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: are five one or shorter, and this has been attributed

476
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: to factors that contribute to smaller stature again, childhood illness, stress,

477
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: and poor nutrition. So what I'm getting out of this

478
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: is like, height isn't necessarily all that important, but like,

479
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: if you're a parent, it's pretty important that you make

480
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: sure your kids eating well and if they're sick, you're

481
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: taking care of them. Right. Um. Men, however, who are

482
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: taller than five ten, they had a fifty nine percent

483
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: lower risk of developing Alzheimer's disease than men who are

484
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: shorter than five six. So okay, So what we're seeing

485
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: here is that dementia, especially Alzheimer's disease, seems to be

486
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: more likely to show up in shorter people. So that's

487
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: me again, So I'm more likely to lose my mind

488
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: than you are. Which sounds about right. I mean, just

489
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: based on our daily you know, interactions, and and how

490
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: how with it? I am already at age forty. Well,

491
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: I feel like on this show, especially, madness is always

492
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: a risk. This is very true, and we knew what

493
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: we were getting into when we signed up for it.

494
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: What about diabetes, This one didn't even cross my mind. Yeah,

495
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: but of course this is a big one. This is

496
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: one of This is one of the big killers today.

497
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: This is a primary health concern. So type two diabetes,

498
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: most of us know, is linked to weight, but they

499
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: think that type one may actually be linked to height.

500
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: And the cause of type one is still unknown, but

501
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: it's thought to be related to an autoimmune attack on

502
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: the insulin producing cell of our pancreas. Now, a two

503
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: thousand to study that was published in the Journal of

504
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: Pediatrics found that taller children generally experience an increased risk

505
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: for the development of type one diabetes, except during infancy

506
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: or early adolescence. But then there's been other studies that

507
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: contradict this. Right, So, uh, there's another one that suggests

508
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: that children with diabetes are either all similar in height

509
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: or shorter than their non diabetic peers. So this one

510
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: seems to balance out, and that like, the studies don't

511
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: seem to uh come to a conclusion one way or

512
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: the other. So I think we can just like, we

513
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: can file this under null for now. I don't know

514
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: necessarily that you're more likely to get Type one diabetes

515
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: than I am, just based on height. Now, there's two

516
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: smaller ones here that I added at the end. The

517
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: first is about reproduction women who are taller, and again

518
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: totally like, I don't know why they picked these numbers,

519
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: but they chose five six for women who are taller.

520
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: Those women are less likely to develop gestational diabetes than

521
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: those who are shorter at five two or shorter. This

522
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: is speculated to be because the genes that are related

523
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: to height have an effect on their glue close tolerance.

524
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: Also a study in Thailand, which I don't know why.

525
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: I look my parents lived in Thailand for a while,

526
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: but anytime I hear a study in Thailand, I'm immediately like,

527
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. A study in Thailand found that being

528
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: five one or taller reduces your risk of having to

529
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: have a C section. That seems to make sense to me. Well,

530
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: this one is interesting in terms of of what a

531
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: lot of the data said about about c sections over

532
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: the years, and they're they're those who argue that a

533
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: lot of times, I mean, c section is a is

534
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: a topic onto itself that we could we could easily

535
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: devote a whole episode two. But there are those who

536
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: make the charge that the decision to go the C

537
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: section is is times related to the culture of the hospital,

538
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: the cultural the culture of the medical profession. So I

539
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder, like, when this comes up to

540
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: to what extent would this translate into an American hospital scenario,

541
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: say a Chinese hospital scenario, into uh, you know, areas

542
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: where there's more traditional child birth outside of a hospital,

543
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: et cetera. Huh, yeah, that's interesting. But I guess like,

544
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: if we take the two of these and we taly

545
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: them up, we can essentially say shorter people, by this metric,

546
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: are more likely to have reproductive problems. So I'm more

547
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: likely to have reproductive problems than you are, although neither

548
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: of us are women. But hey, you know, I could

549
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: play out in other male reproductive type problems. Last one,

550
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: this one makes total sense once I read it heat exhaustion.

551
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: So apparently the larger a person is, the more their

552
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: body has the ability to get hot because the surface

553
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: of their skin dissipates heat at a slower rate. Okay, yeah,

554
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: this is This is actually something that comes up in

555
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: the episode of the Joe and I did about human size,

556
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: because we get into the idea of like giant humans

557
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: and some of the problems with with heat that occur

558
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: when you start just proportionally building up a you know,

559
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: an organism spody. Yeah, you know this. I can't remember

560
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: when we did our episode on the science of ant man.

561
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that came up, but that would be

562
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: an interesting thing to think about, Like when he's super tiny,

563
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: how much heat is he dissipating, versus when he blows

564
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: up to super big and he picks up an airplane

565
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 1: or whatever. So the idea here then is that larger

566
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: people are going to dissipate heat at a slower rate,

567
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: so they're more likely to get heat exhaustion, where shorter

568
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: people are able to lose heat more readily, so they're

569
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: less likely to get heat exhaustion. I've never thought about

570
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: that before, but I guess that's another one in my column.

571
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: So you are more likely to get exhausted in the

572
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: heat than I am. Like if you and I crash

573
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: landed in the desert somewhere and there's no water and

574
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: we were just walking for days. You're going to be

575
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: the one to drop before I'm gonna depend on you

576
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: to rebuild our airplane and fly us out of the

577
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: desert flight of the Phoenix stuff and totally do that.

578
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: All right, This is basically our rundown. This is our

579
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: rundown of physical stuff. Though, why don't we take a

580
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: break when we come back, We're gonna get into personality

581
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: and mental attributes. Thank alright, we're back. So, yeah, we

582
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: we've looked at some of the basic health studies out

583
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: there about the human height and where it where, where

584
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: it falls on the healthy less healthy scenario, your likelihood

585
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: for various diseases and whatnot. But yeah, what about human

586
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: height and personality and psychology. So height is a primal

587
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: survival signifier. It addresses physical strength, reach, health, and good nutrition.

588
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: And for this reason, it's not surprising the humans have

589
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: some natural tendencies when it comes to our our psychological

590
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: relates ship with human height. But this is this is

591
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: one of the problems too, because it's very well, we

592
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: don't want to reduce our her views of other humans

593
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: and our own like social scenarios to just oh, who's

594
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: the biggest person in this room all right there in

595
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: charge because they're the tallest, like like obviously, while those

596
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: factors might influence us, you know in the sort of

597
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: sort of in the background at the the rat like

598
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: high brain level, um, there's a lot more going on

599
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: with human personalities, uh, with with with just how we

600
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: interact with people. Sometimes the largest person in the room

601
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: need not be the person with the largest stature, you know,

602
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: it's sometimes just the person with the most personality or

603
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: the most you know, symmetrical features um, or the nicest

604
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: clothes that or you know, they have a reputation. There's

605
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: there's so much more going on with with how we

606
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: perceive other humans than just how tall are they. Yeah,

607
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: that's certainly true. Although I've definitely encountered in like my

608
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: business life. I guess that like the the stereotype of

609
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: like the tall guy assuming leadership or or assuming confidence

610
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: in a group. Yeah, I guess I haven't had a

611
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: lot of not you. Yeah, I mean I have not

612
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: assumed leadership here um, and neither has has easy our

613
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: our our tech expert um. So I don't know, I

614
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: don't know that it has to do with particular business

615
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: cultures or yeah, or maybe when you get an m

616
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: b A they put you on a rack and they

617
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: stretch you out, or is it one of these things

618
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: where a tall person gets promoted. It's kind of it's

619
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: like an attractive person getting promoted saying, oh, well, clearly

620
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: it's because they're so handsome, or clearly it's because she's

621
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: just really tall like you. There's a gut instinct to

622
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: reduce it to some thing that has nothing to do

623
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: with marin rather than actually, yeah exactly, rather than like

624
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: analyze your own like strengths and weaknesses in terms of meritocracy. Yeah.

625
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: That being said, there have been times where I have, like,

626
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: I'll have self doubt creeping in and I'll be like,

627
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: oh man, what if I've only gotten this foreign life

628
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: just because I'm a little bit tall, and if and

629
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: if I was just a little shorter, I would just

630
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: I would have fallen into the gutter years ago. No,

631
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: that's not true. But still you end up thinking about

632
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: these things when you start crunching some of these uh

633
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: at times very general studies. Yeah, yeah, no, I can

634
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: understand that I have this experience where I go to

635
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: shows a lot, or at least I used to. I

636
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: don't go as much as I as I used to go,

637
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: but I would often find myself watching a band, and

638
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: then I would if I would get bored with the band,

639
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: I would sort of pull out and pay more attention

640
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: to the audience and start thinking how tall am I

641
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: in comparison to everybody else in this room? And you know, like,

642
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: what's the sort of average height of fans of this

643
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: particular music or something like that, you know, and I'm

644
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: always somewhere in the middle. You know, they like five,

645
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: that's nothing special. Like in fact, when you looked at

646
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: h when we looked at these studies earlier, of like

647
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: all the various organs, like that height was neither really

648
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: listed as being the tall height or the short height.

649
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: It was always somewhere in between. So maybe I'm just

650
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: more likely to get everything. So speaking of getting things,

651
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: one of the classic tropes, right, is that the that

652
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: the tall guy gets the girl, where the tall girl

653
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: gets the guy or whatever your sort of heteronormative scenario

654
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: is kind of that whole. Uh, the cartoon scenario of

655
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: the the nerd on the beach with the with the lady,

656
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: and then here comes the big, tall, muscle bound dude

657
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: and you kick sand on him and ls off with

658
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: the gal flex Mentalo. Yeah, well there was there that

659
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: I did find a study that that touches on This

660
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen University of Edinburgh study published in Genome Biology,

661
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: and they conducted an analysis of the genotype of more

662
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: than thirteen thousand human heterosexual couples, and they found that

663
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: genes that determine your height also influence your choice of

664
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: mate by height. So, simply put, our genes can be

665
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: used to predict the height of our partner. Now there

666
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: are plenty of exceptions here, of course, and we can

667
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: all we all know couples where where you know one

668
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: significant other is uh is is tall, the other ones short. Um.

669
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: But this, this, this paper is making an argument that

670
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: we do tend to gravitate towards people who are similar

671
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: in their morphology. Okay, again from personal experience, this absolutely

672
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: aligns up with just like my subjective experience with other

673
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: people talking to them about who they're dating or why

674
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: they're dating. I know plenty of people who are tall

675
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: and say like, oh, there's no way that I could

676
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: date her. It just wouldn't work out. Or I know

677
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: tall women who have said the same thing, like like

678
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: he's nice and all, but just like there's such a

679
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: disparity between the two of us. I just can't imagine

680
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: just physical height. Yeah, yeah, that's like like an immediate

681
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: like I imagine like, uh, you and I are totally

682
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: off the market in terms of this kind of thing.

683
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: But when you use like Tinder or something like that,

684
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: like I assume height is part of the like statistics

685
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: that you have to report. So I hadn't even thought

686
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: of that, because certainly a head shot you're not gonna

687
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: be able to tell. Most photos you're probably not going

688
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: to tell. To be able to tell, we'll have to

689
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: ask somebody in the office who uses Tinder or grinder

690
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I would assume that it

691
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: would have height and weight included in there. Well, this

692
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: is an area I'd love to hear from listeners on

693
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: two total experience with this, especially as it plays out

694
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: in the modern you know, dating scenario. But some people

695
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: would be like whoa, that person's five to nope swipe,

696
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: or or oh that person is like only an inch

697
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: taller than me, or some people like to have somebody

698
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: who's taller than them but only a little taller than them.

699
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: Do you think they're taggling room? Do you think they're

700
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: like five tens a bit much? If you can bring

701
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: it down to five eight, then we'll give it a shot.

702
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: Here's what I really think, And this is going to

703
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: reveal a lot more about me and not about the study.

704
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: But I have had lots of friends who have gotten

705
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: excited about the prospect of hooking up with somebody who's

706
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: either significantly shorter than them or significantly taller than them,

707
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: but not having a relationship with that person. So the

708
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: idea of the experience is okay. But when they're actually

709
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: like searching around for a partner, they're more likely to

710
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: have this scenario of like, you know, figuring out the

711
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: sort of math of like how they're going to line

712
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: up against one. So it's one thing to have this

713
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: fantasy in mind, but it's another thing to to have

714
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: to think, well, where, what where would we put things

715
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: on shelves and how would that work out? Yeah, now,

716
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: earlier you touched on the income height scenario, and there

717
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: is a highly sited two thousand four study even the

718
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Journal of Applied Psychology by Timothy a judge and Daniel M. Cable,

719
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: and they did an investigation of the correlation between height

720
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: and success. So quote, the findings suggests that someone who

721
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: is six ft tall earns that average nearly sixty six

722
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: thousand more during a thirty year career than someone who's

723
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: five ft five inches, even when controlling for gender, age,

724
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: and weight. So that's an interesting observation. Uh, but again

725
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of problematic. I feel you start actually teasing

726
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: it apart. Uh, Is it really a situation where even

727
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: in the background of cognition, someone's thinking, oh, that's a

728
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: tall one. Make sure we give them a raise because

729
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: they can crush me with their giant hands. I don't

730
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: know if it's that so much as that going back

731
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: to that, uh, that idea that we sort of started

732
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: off the episode with, which is like, well, tall people

733
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: must come from at least middle class families because they

734
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: were able to be raised with a nutritious environment and

735
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: they didn't have disease to which got them to this

736
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: point in life. Subsequently, they must have a history that's

737
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: led them to be responsible enough to get a promotion

738
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: or something like. I guess it would be more likely

739
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: to be that, but even that seems absurd when I

740
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: think about it out loud. Yeah, speaking of things that

741
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: sound a bit absurd. Uh. There's also a two thousand

742
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: sixteen study out of Ohio State University that argues, based

743
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: on British data, that the taller person is, the more

744
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: likely he or she is to support conservative political positions,

745
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: support a conservative party, and and actually vote for conservative politicians.

746
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: They found that a one inch increase in high increased

747
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: support for the Conservative Party of Written by point six percent,

748
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: and the likelihood of voting for the party by point five.

749
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: That one strikes me as very odd. I can't see

750
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: any correlation. Yeah, I wonder, well, this is British data.

751
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: I wonder if the heighth factor has anything to do

752
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: with aristocracy and certain family lines. I guess. I mean

753
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: you're getting back to that that idea that al right,

754
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: if someone is tall, that means they've had good nutrition,

755
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: good good genetics, and access to healthcare. But that's not

756
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: always the case. And then and then it's not like

757
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: they're not like tall liberal academics and and and tall

758
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: pretty leaning. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, So this

759
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: one is it's hard for me to to really break

760
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: down and I feel like I end up thinking of

761
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: individuals in my life and all right, well, here's a

762
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: tall person, how did their politics line up with my

763
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: with my politics? Uh, this one feels weird. I'm having

764
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: a hard time really breaking this one down in terms

765
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: of just sort of interpersonal connections. Yeah. Yeah, that one,

766
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. We have we have more, yes, right? So? Yeah?

767
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: And the in fact, the next one is awesome from

768
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State two thousands sixteen study as well. They found

769
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: that tall people have built in advantage when it comes

770
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: to spatial relations. Uh, and that visual superiority holds true

771
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: even when tall people sit down and their shorter counterparts

772
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: stand on a box restool like an apple box. Yeah. So,

773
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: and then this one, this one is published in Science Advances.

774
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah so, I guess I hadn't really thought about this one, because,

775
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: if anything, I would have guessed the taller people. Or

776
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: maybe this is the problem with with perspective, Like I'm

777
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: not good at sports or throwing things and making them

778
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: go where I want them to go, so I would

779
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: have the tendency to fall into the trap of assuming

780
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: this is the universal experience, despite the fact that there's

781
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: plenty of evidence that you know, obviously we have plenty

782
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: of of of tall basketball players who are exceptional at

783
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: throwing objects and making them go where they want them

784
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah. Yeah, And I guess to like, the

785
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: thing that I end up thinking about with this is

786
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: the thing that I end up thinking about with this is,

787
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: for instance, really tall people taller than you even like,

788
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: for instance, my father in law is a pretty tall guy,

789
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: and so is my brother in law. Like, the idea

790
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: of them having like a spatial advantage seems ludicrous to

791
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: me because like whenever they have to get into like

792
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: a sedan, it's like, you know, a complete hassle, like

793
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: their heads touching the roof the whole time, or they're

794
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: bending their neck or something like that. So I mean,

795
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: I guess like it's a spatial advantage of terms of

796
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: like do they need to get something down off of

797
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: the top of a shelf or something, But like yeah,

798
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: or or I have noticed this that I can Uh,

799
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: there are parts of the house, like the top of

800
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: the refrigerator. Um, I'm the only one who can see

801
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: on the top of the refrigerator without standing on something.

802
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: So I'm the only one who noticed that notices it

803
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: notices that it needs dusting. Yeah, so that's like the

804
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: only example of the spatial advantage that I have, and

805
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: it just ties into laziness concerning the dusting of the house. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah,

806
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's strange to me because I a

807
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: lot of the people I know who are very tall

808
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: are do complain about like, well, either these chairs aren't

809
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: exactly made from my body type, my morphology, you know, uh,

810
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: or whatever else in the universe, you know. Um, I

811
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: imagine that there's just like a certain average height that

812
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: is shot for when you're like constructing I don't know,

813
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: like a car and how how tall that goes, or

814
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: particular kinds of chairs or ladders, or or how tall

815
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: refrigerators are. Yeah. So I'd love to hear tall, taller,

816
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: and shorter people comment on their spatial relationships. Uh uh,

817
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: you know when they ride into us. All right, So

818
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: we have one more area to discuss here, and that

819
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: is the idea of a Napoleon complex. Uh, shortman syndrome.

820
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: You're you're familiar with this idea, I am. But you

821
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: know what's funny is that whenever I refer to somebody

822
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: as having a Napoleon complex, I'm never referring to their

823
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: actual height. It's usually more about their personality, although I

824
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: know that obviously the term came from the idea that

825
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Napoleon was short, right, Yeah, I mean that's that's the

826
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: basic idea here, is that a shorter person is allegedly

827
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: fueled by boastful, aggressive, and possessive motivations to make up

828
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: their lack of physical stature. And and you're mentioning that

829
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: your your use of it has often come down to

830
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: more of a like like they're they're boastful, and they're

831
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: they're rested because there's some there's something some insecurity, and

832
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: regardless of whether it's height or not, they've got the

833
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: Napoleon complex that leads to these characteristics. Yeah, but I'm

834
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, I've probably been using it wrong. Well, no, no,

835
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: I I this is interesting because when we come to height,

836
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: what I mean, we we use it in strange ways

837
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: all the time. Like you talk of some you speak

838
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: of someone like Einstein and and you know, you might

839
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: describe him as a giant, Oh, he was a giant

840
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: of his time, or talk talk about the sciences in general,

841
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: about proceeding on the backs of giants. So that's interesting,

842
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: and we end up applying sort of you know, figurative

843
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: stature to to individuals just on the basis of, say,

844
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: their intellectual merit. So what I think I'm getting out

845
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: of this is that just like humanity in general, for centuries,

846
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: have gotten used to the idea of using height as

847
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: a barometer basically for personality and for health. But in

848
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: the last tree, we've really gotten to a point where

849
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: healthcare has revealed that it's not necessarily the factor. There's

850
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot else that's going into it. But at the

851
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: same time, like our language, our culture hasn't really caught

852
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: up to that yet, right, Yeah, I think that's a

853
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: good read on what's going on here now In terms

854
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: of the the Napoleon complex itself. The term was coined

855
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: by Austrian psychologist Alfred Adler in uh and it's it's

856
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: all ready to observe because by most accounts, Napoleon Bonaparte,

857
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: famed a French leader, was five six or five seven,

858
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: perfectly normal height for the day, really a perfectly normal

859
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: height for to day. But is there any truth to

860
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: to any of this? Is it all just a matter

861
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: of height? Is m Is it? Just like you said,

862
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: our our culture and language not quite catching up with

863
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: this new balance of of of height and health is there?

864
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's is there? Is it just a stupid

865
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: label for which a short person is aggressive while if

866
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: a tall person is acting aggressive and it's just hey,

867
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: they're just that's perfectly natural. Of course they are either

868
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: tall and aggressive. And I have to say that I

869
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: never put much stock in it myself because it's it's

870
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: so cartoony. It it literally makes me think of like

871
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: a cartoon small dog yapping and jumping around. Yeah. So

872
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: I looked into it, and there are a few studies

873
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: that that examine the Napoleon complex. Uh. There's a two

874
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: thousand four study titled Personality Functioning the Influence of Stature,

875
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: and this is published in the Archives of Disease in

876
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Childhood and it used the Wessex Growth Study using forty

877
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: eight short normal and sixty six control participants to tackle

878
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: the question. And they found no significant effect of recruitment

879
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: height or final height on the Adult Personality Functioning Assessment

880
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: score or on any of the underlying domain scores. So

881
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: what they found is that socioeconomic status has the biggest

882
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: effect on the total score, on employment, on education, on

883
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: coping domain scores as well. So quote no evidence was

884
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: found that stature per se significantly of factor the functioning

885
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: off the participants in these areas as young adults. So, alright,

886
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: something just popped in my head, which is another sort

887
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: of generalism that people make about Americans. I'd say, uh,

888
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: and I'm guilty of this as well, but the idea

889
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: that most Americans are very uncomfortable talking about class, specifically

890
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: socioeconomic status. Uh. And this is why, like, for instance,

891
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: you have studies that show that, like, people who are

892
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: metrically in the upper class think of themselves as being

893
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: in the middle class, and people who are metrically in

894
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: the lower class think of themselves as being in the

895
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: middle class. Right, everybody wants to be in the middle class. Um.

896
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: Maybe this is subsequently, why we just keep going back

897
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: to height, is because it's a lot easier to talk about, well,

898
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: Robert's tall and Christians medium size, right, rather than saying, like, well,

899
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, we have a clear like class delineation problem,

900
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: and the people who have the more money or mora

901
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: likely to be healthy. And that's you know, basic human

902
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: right that seems like it should extend to everybody, right,

903
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of curious how much that plays into

904
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: it like all this talk about height really seems to

905
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: be avoiding the socioeconomic factor that keeps coming back in

906
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Now there's a two

907
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: thousand seven study and this came from the University of

908
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: Central Lancashire, and this study actually found the reverse of

909
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: the Napoleon complex. The tall men were more likely to

910
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: lose their temper than short men. They explored this via

911
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: what they called the chopstick game. And this is kind

912
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: of hilarious, in which men of different heights dueled with

913
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: wooden sticks, but one of the subjects deliberately provoked the

914
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: other by wrapping them across the knuckle. Okay, so and

915
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: in this scenario, like the knuckle rappers here, they have

916
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: been preconditioned to do this. They're saying, look, we're gonna

917
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: have this scenario. We're gonna go in there and start

918
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: chop sticking around, but just whack the hell out of

919
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: this guy's knuckles. Um. And this was a very small study,

920
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like a complete battle royale, but you

921
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: have ten men of average height and the same number

922
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: below five ft five uh. And they found that the

923
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: taller men were more likely to lose it over these Shenanigans. Quote,

924
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: the results were consistent with the view that small man

925
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: syndrome use a meth. That's fascinating. I mean, that's a

926
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: really small sample study and I'm assuming it's you know,

927
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: it's only within that specific area too, But it's interesting.

928
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: I just love the idea that's like such a farcical uh,

929
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: like like comedy waiting to happen. Like I would love

930
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: to watch like a video of the proceedings where it's

931
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: just like small men whacking tall men on the on

932
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: the knuckles with chopsticks of all things. Yeah, it seems

933
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: like a strange indicator of like overall personality. To what

934
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: extent you were offended by, like someone essentially physically assaulting

935
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: here or going a little too far. I think I

936
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: would just start laughing. Yeah, but hey, I'm only five nine,

937
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: all right. And then final study here, this one came

938
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: from Professor Abraham Bunk of the University of Granigan in

939
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: Holland and here are you the opposite in two thousand

940
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: and eight, So the researchers question a hundred men and

941
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: a hundred women in relationships about their their levels of jealousy,

942
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: their feelings of jealousy, and how interested they believe their

943
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: partners to be in other members of the opposite sex.

944
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: And this seems to be zeroing in on like one

945
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: aspect of the supposed Napoleon complex, the idea that that

946
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: shorter men are going to be more possessive and more jealous.

947
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: So they found that five ft four inch men scored

948
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: an average of three point seven five out of six

949
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: on a jealousy scale, while men around six six they

950
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: scored two point to five on the jealousy scale. Now

951
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: the female results were more complex. So you have average

952
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: heighted women, they were scoring lowest out of everybody, getting

953
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: a three out of six on the jealousy scale. The

954
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: tallest though women at six ft they got a four

955
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: out of six. And the shortest women they scored the

956
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: best of all. They got, you know, a five feet tall,

957
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: they got five out of six. So the short women

958
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: were the least likely to be jealous. They were the

959
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: most confident of all of these participants. Yeah, man, it

960
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: seems like the way to go is to be a

961
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: short woman when you look again, like back at the

962
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: Japanese women who live the longest there I think, if

963
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: I remember correctly from the data earlier in the episode

964
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: four nine on average, and then these ladies very confident. Yeah,

965
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. They said this was one of their

966
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: their core findings. Quote, short men were, as expected, most

967
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: jealous in the presence of powerful, tall, strong, and rich

968
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: potential rivals. So this is not a study to you know,

969
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: govern your behavior in life choices, but it it uh,

970
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting in that it it presents the one

971
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: study that I could find that argued in favor of

972
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: at least some level of of shortman syndrome or Napoleon complex. So, Okay,

973
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: we've looked at the mental attributes, We've looked at the

974
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: physical attributes, We've cracked all these numbers. We've thrown around

975
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: metrics of height, uh and death and rates of mortality.

976
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: Now what have we come to a conclusion on Well,

977
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: I think we've come to the conclusion that, yes, in

978
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: certain scenarios, especially with health, you can point to high

979
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: as it as as an indicator, as a partial indicator

980
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: among many other indicators about what might happen with your body.

981
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: But on its own, I think I agree with that

982
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: study that we present at the top, that it's an

983
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: unreliable predictor. You can't just say well, because somebody is

984
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: this tall, they're less likely to do X, Y and Z,

985
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: or they're more likely to die from A B and C. Uh.

986
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: It just seems like what we should really be paying

987
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: attention to is nutrition, and socioeconomics does seem way more important. Yeah. Likewise,

988
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: with you with the psychological stuff, I really like what

989
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: you said earlier that it seems like it's largely this

990
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: idea that we do have some some primal instincts in

991
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: judging an individual by height. But those those those primal judgments,

992
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: even though they may pop up to varying degrees in

993
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,959
Speaker 1: modern living. Uh, it's a far more complicated scenario now

994
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: thanks to all the additional layers of human culture. Ye. Well,

995
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: that said, I have tallied up our results, and you

996
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: scored three and I scored four. So I am more

997
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: likely to die at a younger age than you are,

998
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: based on this very informal study that we've done here today. Uh. So, hey, guys,

999
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: I'll see I'll see you when I see you. Yeah, Well,

1000
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: this means you have to do the follow up episode

1001
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: after I die, after you die, yeah, which is about

1002
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: how it was an unreliable predictor No, no no, no, because

1003
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die first, right, No, I'm gonna I've got

1004
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: to do the podcast. You It'll be you and your

1005
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: new co host will be seven feet tall. Yeah, well

1006
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a robot son telling Yeah, exactly a

1007
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know this, but Carney is very tall.

1008
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: They usually imagine it was like a short robot with

1009
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: like a mailbox for ahead, but he's he's massive. We

1010
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: haven't really reached up there. He's like the robot on

1011
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: that that Queen album cover that's crushing the band members

1012
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: in their hands. He's imposing. Yeah. Okay, Well, if this

1013
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: was interesting to you and you're thinking, well, wait a minute,

1014
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm a tall person or I'm a short person. This

1015
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: doesn't line up with what I thought I knew about myself.

1016
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: Tell us your experience, you know, i'd like to know,

1017
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: have you experienced a Napoleon complex? Do you know about

1018
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: any specific physical ailments that you feel like are you're

1019
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: more likely to have because of your stature? Let us

1020
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: know the best way to do that is to reach

1021
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: out to us on social media where we are on Facebook, Twitter, Tumbler,

1022
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: and Instagram. That's right, and uh and as always you

1023
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: can find is that the mother Ship had Stuff to

1024
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: Blow your Mind dot com on That's where you'll find

1025
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,280
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1026
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,160
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1027
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: everything is there, and if you just want to write

1028
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: us a sweet, long letter the old fashioned way, you

1029
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: can reach out to us at blow the Mind at

1030
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:29,280
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00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,960
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