WEBVTT - Rickie Fowler 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:03.519 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.440 Claude Harman. This week's guest one of the most popular 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:10.560 players in the game, Ricky Fowler. He's had an amazing career. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.040 I think he changed the game with regards to fashion, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.600 and he's just always been a player that the fans 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.880 have been drawn to. Won the Players Championship, He's won 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.880 on DP World, He's won on some big golf courses 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.960 in the United States, and I'm a fan. My dad 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:27.840 and I've worked with him in the past. And what 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.000 you see is what you get from Ricky. This is 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.960 a good one. Sit back and enjoy listening to Ricky Feller. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.680 Rick we were talking before we started recording. Next year is 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.160 going to be your sixteenth year on the PGA Tour. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.960 You're thirty five years old, You're father of two. Now 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.000 you are a veteran, but I think some people still 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.159 see you as like one of the up and coming players. 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.280 Do you see yourself now as a veteran on the 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:53.000 PGA Tour? 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:54.080 Yes and no. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.960 And you go down and look at the timeline and 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:01.200 you know, been out here for a while and definitely 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.440 have more experience now. Mentally, I don't think I've gone 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.560 past fifteen years old, so there's yeah, I still feel 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.600 like a young guy, but uh, just more experienced. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.080 When you look at the arc of your career, Rick, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.400 do you feel like you've in your head when you 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.040 look at your game and the things that you've accomplished. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.080 I mean, I look at the things that you've done. 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:29.399 Players Championship, you know, six wins, President's got to Ryder Cups. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:30.959 I mean, you've had a hell of a career. But 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.880 when you evaluate your career, are you harder on yourself 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.360 and say I should have done maybe better at this point? 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.080 Are you comfortable with where you're at? Because I look 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.680 at what you've done and how your career has you know, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.840 basically just continued to go in a positive direction. And 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.200 but golfers are hard on themselves. I think everybody listening 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.120 is hard on themselves from a golf standpoint. Are you 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:57.559 happy with where you are right now? 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.240 Depends how you look at it, because you always want more. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.440 But for me, if you if you kind of remove 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.200 yourself from current situation and go back to me as 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.120 a kid, I just I dreamed of playing on the 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.639 PGA Tour and winning on tour. So when you start 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.280 to add things up, and once you've been out here 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.160 and know how hard it is to win on tour, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.280 you know to have done that multiple times and have 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.359 a players in there, be on you know, a handful 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:28.480 of team events. It's a solid career, but when you're 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.880 in it, you always want more. But that's that's a 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.799 good thing because you you never want to be satisfied, 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.000 because you want to continue to push yourself. You know, 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:40.840 there's plenty of things that I still want to do. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.800 If I was just okay with it, there's no point 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.919 in continuing to play. But I love to play, even 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.919 if I'm not competing. I love to play at home. 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.840 It's always a fun grind and trying to figure out 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.520 how to get better. There's no way to perfect it, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.200 so we're we're always working towards more. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.320 I think obviously your image has been one of the 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.280 biggest images in golf. You've been one of the biggest figures. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.959 But I think one of the cool things for those 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.800 of us that are lucky enough to know you personally 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.760 and be around you. You and I have worked together 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.840 in the past. You've worked and worked with my dad. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.840 I don't think people realize how hard you work. Where 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.760 do you think the drive and the work ethic that 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.280 you have and that I've been lucky enough to witness, 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.680 where does that come from? And how can other young 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.120 players kind of learn from the way that you've approached 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.480 the game and the way that you approach your practice 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.520 and all of those things. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.000 I mean, I just at the end of the day, 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.880 I love it. I've loved it since I was a 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.360 little kid. There's a lot of factors that go into it. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.800 I mean, my parents and grandparents and family around me. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.680 They one just always supported it and it was never 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.720 something that was pushed on me. It was always something 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.920 I wanted to do. Like I said, I loved playing 0:03:56.000 --> 0:04:00.000 and the grind of it from day one. So it's 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.760 it's different for everyone, and there's some people that are 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.080 good at it that don't necessarily fully love it and 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.640 it feels more like work. For me, it's always just 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:13.320 been fun. Even when we've gone through tough times, it's 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.320 still part of the grind. There's still something that's when 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.920 you look back at it, there's fun to it because 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.839 you're trying to figure out how to get it done, 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.560 and ultimately when you do come out of the other side, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.280 it's so satisfying. So yeah, there's a lot of factors 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:29.760 that go into for me, but I think the biggest 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.839 thing is I've always loved it when. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.200 You were younger and growing up and playing golf. Obviously 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.200 everybody knows about, you know, the extreme sports that you 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.080 love to do and stuff like that, but what drew 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:41.960 you to golf and when you were younger, what did 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.040 you like about golf at a young age. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.200 I always liked individual things. I wasn't a big team 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.320 sport guy, played you know, some baseball. As a little kid, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.120 I pitched, and so that's about as individuals you can 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.159 get in that situation. Rod and Rice dirt bikes, it's 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.440 just you on the bike and then fishing and golf. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.000 So for me, it was, you know, there's really no 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.160 one else to blame. It's it's all on you. Some 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.240 guys will blame caddies and know there's situations like that, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.120 but at the end of the day, it's it's just 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.400 you and I always I always liked that. I'm not 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.960 sure why, because as as a kid at two, three 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.600 four years old, really don't know what's going on a 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.039 whole lot of times. But for some reason, it was 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:30.040 just what I loved and you know, my parents would 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.160 drop me off of the range. I'd hang out there 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:33.840 all day and they'd pick me up and it was dark. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.279 You mentioned that you love the individual thing about golf, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.320 but if you look at your relationship with the Oklahoma 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.520 State Golf program, how how important that relationship has been 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.279 to you, How important that relationship has been to your career. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.120 I mean it's almost like you're still on the Oklahoma 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.080 State Golf team. You care about that so much. You 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.760 love being on the President's Cup, you love being on 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.160 the Ryder Cup. So as much as you love the 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.000 individual part part of it, the team part of it 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.560 is something I know that is really really important to you. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.400 Yeah, I think a lot of it is it comes 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.400 down to, like the relationships and friendships you can. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.160 Build with the game of golf. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.400 Just the individual side is literally you just you know, 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.719 hitting the shots and pulling the trigger and playing your game. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.039 But outside of that, the family that we have out here, 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.760 and like you said, the relationships you get to build 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.000 and we're all out there grinding it out together, trying 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.839 to beat each other up as bad as possible. But 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:36.760 it's you know, sharing houses together, traveling together, that's that's 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.200 the other side of it that a lot of people 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.200 don't necessarily see. They just see us grinding it out 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.240 inside the ropes. I guess they've seen a little bit 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.360 of us having some fun outside. But that's that's the balance, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.080 and it's amazing the you said the friendships and relationships 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:53.200 you get to build over the years. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.440 The PGA Tour is kind of like high school, right. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.680 You've got the cool kids. You've got the kind of 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.840 kids that do their own things. You've got the kids 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.440 that want to You've always been, in my opinion, in 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.600 the cool kid category. You JT, Jordan, the boys that 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.400 you kind of hang out with. You guys always play 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.440 your practice rounds together, and I think that's one of 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.320 the reasons why the fans relate to you so well, 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.680 that relationship you have with with JT and Jordan. You 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.200 guys stay in houses together and stuff. Do you think 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.280 that makes the life that you lead on the PGA 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.679 tour easier? I mean a lot of this was before 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.520 you got married, before you had a family. But it 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.200 is a very lonely life. I mean, it's an individual sport. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.800 You're traveling twenty thirty weeks a year. The relationships and 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.280 the friendships that you've got on tour with all of 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.440 the various players. Do you think that's helped kind of 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.040 elongate your career and make it, you know, make it 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.559 more fun for you when you're on the road. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:47.960 Yeah, I mean being able. I feel like, in a way, 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.200 I'm a little bit of a rover. I can kind 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.480 of go and hang wherever, kind of hang out with 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.320 all the different groups. I like to be able to 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.400 fit in and have a good time with anyone. So 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.160 it makes it definitely makes it more fun on the 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.840 road if it's there's other guys that are are very 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.360 much just themselves. They go out there, do their job, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.440 do what they need to do. I like to have 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.400 fun while I'm out there. I love playing and practicing 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.080 in the grind of it, but it's a lot more 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.120 fun when you can, you know, be with your buddies 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.720 and kind of mix that up a bit. So yeah, 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.200 being able to stay in houses together, which has gotten 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.160 a bit tougher, you know, having a family, and it's 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.760 hard to find big enough houses if you got myself 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.360 and the family, and Jordan. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.760 And his family are married now and having. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.440 Kids too, so you know, at least maybe we can 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.920 start working on trying to get houses closer together. But 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:39.040 it's it's that's created a whole another dynamic. And you know, 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.320 like with Jordan's oldest Sammy, he's four days older than Maya, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.560 and so like when we're on the road, they're they're 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.920 together all the time, and then they have another and 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.520 our second will be about a year behind. JT's got 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.559 one coming here shortly, so that's going to continue to 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.360 keep us together at a different level. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:56.680 No. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.360 I I enjoy having a good time, and whether that's 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.400 you know, having fun with the grind of golf and 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.840 practice and working at that, or you know, having games 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.160 with the guys or having the families hang out and 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:08.720 you know, maybe have a few drinks. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.160 The Ryder Cup and the President's Cup, but specifically the 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.320 Ryder Cup are such a huge part of the game 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.880 of golf. Every two years, that's the one everybody wants 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.679 to watch. Anytime there's a Ryder Cup year, everything's ramped 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.679 up because everybody's trying to play, is trying to make 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:26.040 those teams for the fans. What's it like getting on 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.880 those teams? Trying to get on those teams. But also 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.680 I think everybody is fascinating the bond. I remember when 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.240 Brooks finally made his first Ryder Cup team at Hazel Team, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.920 I kept telling once you get on one of these teams, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.880 you will never ever not want to be on one. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.880 There's something about what do you think about those weeks? 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.080 Make them so special? Even though you don't necessarily win 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.560 every single time. Yeah, but the weeks and the bonds 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.080 that I've been able lucky enough to watch, it's like 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.960 there's a Ryder Cup fraternity and if you've been on one, 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.360 it's almost like your boys for life, right, you're always 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.559 because you shared that one week experience that was so intensive. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.439 What's it like for the fans? I mean, what's it 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.960 feel like to get the call to know you've made it? 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.080 And then the weeks are just I mean, I'm on 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.360 the outside looking at as a coach, but they just 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.640 must be magical for you guys to spend time together 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.480 in ways that you don't normally do that. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.280 It's I mean, yeah, you go out and play practice 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.240 around with your buddies and for a normal tournament, and 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.360 it's those are fun, but it's different when you're there 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.360 together for the same cause and playing together and on 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.920 the same team. I think more goes away from the 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.440 course and you know, whether it's the rights to the course, 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.559 being in the team room, it's a it's kind of 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.160 a bummer. It's only just that one week, six seven days, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.480 and once you're there, they fly by. So it'd be nice, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.840 we'd all want them to be longer, but I think 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:04.320 it's such a you know, little just small piece of 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.079 time compared to all that we put into, you know, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.439 the years of playing and other tournaments. What makes them 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.280 so special. If they happen more often or they were 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.720 a longer amount of time, they wouldn't be as special. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.160 But like you said, once you're once you're a part 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.200 of one, or you've been on a Ryder Cup team 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:27.480 or President's Cup team, you're in it's like being verified 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.840 on Instagram or something like you've got that stamp. 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.280 It's it's you got it. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.640 Almost like you've arrived. When you make one of those, right, 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.880 there's always those rookies that everybody knows is a really, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.240 really good player and then all of a sudden, like 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.800 Max Max Homwich, it gets on on a on a 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.480 Ryder Cup team and just plays unbelievable goal even though 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.240 the team didn't win. But you have these players that 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.280 basically get into that environment and it's it is sink 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.679 or swim. You have guys that are great players that 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.480 necessarily don't have great Ryder Cup records. But then you 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.560 always have players, you know that are rookies that sometimes 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.320 just had that breakout. When you were a rookie on 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.840 your first Ryder Cup team, were you nervous, did you 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.520 feel the weight of everything, the weight of the US 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.559 and playing for the flag and all that, or were 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.520 you able to do what I think you you've always 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.640 been able to do is just kind of act like 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.320 a kid, be a kid and just have fun. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:20.360 Uh combo. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.120 I mean, if you're not nervous at the Ryder Cup, 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:27.079 then you're doing the wrong thing. It doesn't matter. If 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:31.240 you're the best player in the world, then you're you 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.880 know you're going to go beat everyone. It's you're still nervous. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.680 It's it's the Ryder Cup. I haven't had the obviously 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.320 the best record by any means in the Ryder Cup. 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.960 I've I've had my fair share of maybe meaningful half 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.280 points or a point here and there. At least we 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.960 don't have a goose egg to start. They're just they're special, 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.360 and like you said, there's there's plenty of situations where 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.840 guys maybe haven't played as well but make the team 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:01.200 or get a pick and then ball out. I mean, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:06.880 I think looking at last Ryder Cup with JT not 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.679 necessarily being in a great spot, but he's someone that 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.680 you know, rises to the occasion, played great over in Rome. 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.640 Obviously the team didn't play as you know, well as 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.840 we all would have liked to. But there's definitely situations 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.559 where you see guys, you know sometimes that gives them 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.800 that little spark and ignites their game being in that situation. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.960 DS Adapt drivers feature four models to fit every golf 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.160 repaired with future Fit thirty three, which offers thirty three 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.480 unique lie and loft settings to fund your ideal ballflight, 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.400 minimize your miss, maximize your distance, and dial in your game. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.520 I talk a lot on the podcast kind of switching 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.360 to you know, golf and technique and stuff I talk 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.480 a lot about. I think there's a there's a big 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.520 balance in golf between the technical part of things, your technique, 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.880 your golf swing, and then the execution part. What have 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.160 you learned in your you know, going on fifteen sixteen 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.840 years on the PGA Tour about executing on the golf course. 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.600 And I think so many players are convinced, Ricky that 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:09.840 you know, you go to the range, you work on it, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.680 you work on it, you work on it, and what 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.320 happens on the range. If you hit it good on 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.720 the range, you're going to hit it good on the course. Right. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.680 Sometimes the warm up is bad and then sometimes you 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.080 play great on the course. But the executing part, the 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.360 playing of the game. What have you learned in your 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.920 time on tour? You feel like you're better now at 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.160 playing the game of golf? And how do you do that? 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:36.640 Because I think so many people think, Okay, go shoot 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.640 eighty five. I just go straight to the range. Technique, technique, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.360 work on my game, work on my game, Whereas sometimes 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.360 it doesn't really have anything to do with what your 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.640 technique is. It's how you're playing the game of golf. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.000 So when you look back at when you started versus now, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.000 as I said, you are sixteen year veteran on the 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.800 PGA Tour, what have you learned now or know now 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.400 about playing golf that maybe you didn't know when you 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:01.240 were rookie. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:06.320 I was always good at playing the game technically, I 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.000 wasn't as sound as I am now going back to 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:12.800 the start of this, I have a lot more experience, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.040 and I think i'm I know, I'm a much more 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.520 like well rounded and better player technically and playing the game. 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.240 I was always good at hitting shots and working my 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.680 right way around the golf course, but if I got 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:31.240 a little off where the golf swing was, I would 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.040 get too far off. And then working with your dad, 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.560 you I learned a lot. Also with Tillery, I probably 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.800 got too far into the golf swing there, but also 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.680 those were times and some stuff with the golf swing 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.520 where I learned some of my most how things should work. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:50.880 And that set me up. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.040 After being with Tillery, being back with your Dad and 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.560 I had a probably at that point is when I 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.880 had the best understanding of kind of everything from swing 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.240 to playing and being able to get back to that 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.120 two years ago and playing well last year was just 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:15.800 that was golf. So now I definitely feel like I 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.960 said a lot better understanding top to bottom from the 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.120 playing side and the swing side, because at the end 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.720 of the day, it's it's about hitting golf shots. It 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.840 doesn't matter what it looks like, but can you step 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.280 up there and yeah, it comes down to execution. So 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.200 when you're playing your best, whether it's me other guys 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.520 out there, you're just hitting shots and hitting your numbers, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.120 and you're not thinking about, well, to hit a cut, 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.720 I need to do this and make sure it's here. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.280 It's like, no, I'm gonna aim there. I'm gonna cut 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.600 it five yards and hit it one p seventy in 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:49.880 the air. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:50.360 That's it. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.960 We hear that a lot. I mean, obviously, when you're 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.080 playing good, it feels the game feels very, very easy. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.520 And I think you know when you went through that 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.600 struggle for those couple of years, the fans and the 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.880 average golfers, it was as close as they're ever going 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.520 to get to you. They struggle with their golf swing. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.320 They're not hitting it where they're looking. They're not hitting 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.800 the type of shots that they're wanting to hit. When 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.159 you are in that space, because you, like all the 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.920 great players, you guys can make the game Ricky look 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.680 so easy. You know, as a coach, I've been lucky 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.560 enough to watch all of you guys play for the 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.480 last twenty five years, and I just marvel at what 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.720 you guys do under the pressure that you're under. I mean, 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.399 I still to this day, I know how nervous I 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.840 am as a coach when any of the players that 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.360 I've been lucky have to work with like you, when 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.200 you have a chance to win, I know how nervous 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.560 I am. And I'm sitting to myself saying, I mean, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.040 I can barely even hold my phone or take a 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.040 cap off a bottle of water. I'm so nervous. So 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.560 I always I just I don't think you will get 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.320 enough credit for the pressure that you're under. But when 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.800 you do go through a struggle and it was really 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.840 kind of the first kind of time in your life 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.840 to where the ball wasn't going where you wanted to, 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.120 you weren't able to do the things you wanted to do. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.080 All of a sudden, you've been, in my opinion, one 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.800 of the greatest pure putters that I've ever seen, and 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.040 all of a sudden, you're not making the putts easy. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.440 What's that like for you as a player, Because you're 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.640 trying to figure it out and you can't take six 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.439 months off to figure it out. Now you have to 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.480 keep playing when you are struggling, and you know you're 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.360 going to have to go play, and you know you're 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.359 going to be on TV and you're on the spotlight. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.560 Is it hard to stay positive to just say listen, 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.320 just got to keep grinding out, grinding and out, grinding 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:31.680 and out. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.120 Yeah, it is stuff because I mean, like you said, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.399 with how the schedule works, you can't It's not like 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.159 you can hide or go and like I'm going to 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:45.400 go take four or five months and you know, go 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.639 dig it out and figure it out. But at the 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.639 end of the day, the best way to fix it 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.480 and where you need to get work done is at 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.080 a tournament. I mean, you can do stuff at home, 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.720 but until it's under the gun, I don't care how 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:58.680 good you hit it at home. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.800 It's not relate. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.280 Rarely do you guys shoot over. I mean it's not 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.840 like you shoot seventy five at home. No, I mean 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.119 your home course you got And that's the other thing. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.679 I don't think the people listening to the pod understand 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.879 when you guys are at home. I mean, you shot 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.240 the course record here at the Floridian and you shot 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.520 twenty nine on the front and or on the back. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.280 We started on the back and we were going to 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.439 go have lunch and you weren't even gonna finish the 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.239 back and you just shot twenty nine, and but you said, hey, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.920 why we go play the front nine and you shot 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.040 the course record and you had a chance to shoot 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.359 fifty nine. So when you guys are at home, you 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.040 light it up. But when you go out on tour, 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.800 So you can be playing good at home, working on 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.920 good stuff, but the pressure of the tour and all 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.840