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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harman. This week's guest one of the most popular

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Speaker 1: players in the game, Ricky Fowler. He's had an amazing career.

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Speaker 1: I think he changed the game with regards to fashion,

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Speaker 1: and he's just always been a player that the fans

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Speaker 1: have been drawn to. Won the Players Championship, He's won

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Speaker 1: on DP World, He's won on some big golf courses

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Speaker 1: in the United States, and I'm a fan. My dad

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Speaker 1: and I've worked with him in the past. And what

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Speaker 1: you see is what you get from Ricky. This is

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Speaker 1: a good one. Sit back and enjoy listening to Ricky Feller.

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Speaker 1: Rick we were talking before we started recording. Next year is

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Speaker 1: going to be your sixteenth year on the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 1: You're thirty five years old, You're father of two. Now

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Speaker 1: you are a veteran, but I think some people still

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Speaker 1: see you as like one of the up and coming players.

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Speaker 1: Do you see yourself now as a veteran on the

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Speaker 2: Yes and no.

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Speaker 3: And you go down and look at the timeline and

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Speaker 3: you know, been out here for a while and definitely

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Speaker 3: have more experience now. Mentally, I don't think I've gone

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Speaker 3: past fifteen years old, so there's yeah, I still feel

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Speaker 3: like a young guy, but uh, just more experienced.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the arc of your career, Rick,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like you've in your head when you

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Speaker 1: look at your game and the things that you've accomplished.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I look at the things that you've done.

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Speaker 1: Players Championship, you know, six wins, President's got to Ryder Cups.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've had a hell of a career. But

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Speaker 1: when you evaluate your career, are you harder on yourself

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Speaker 1: and say I should have done maybe better at this point?

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Speaker 1: Are you comfortable with where you're at? Because I look

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Speaker 1: at what you've done and how your career has you know,

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Speaker 1: basically just continued to go in a positive direction. And

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Speaker 1: but golfers are hard on themselves. I think everybody listening

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Speaker 1: is hard on themselves from a golf standpoint. Are you

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Speaker 1: happy with where you are right now?

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Speaker 2: Depends how you look at it, because you always want more.

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Speaker 3: But for me, if you if you kind of remove

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Speaker 3: yourself from current situation and go back to me as

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Speaker 3: a kid, I just I dreamed of playing on the

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Speaker 3: PGA Tour and winning on tour. So when you start

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Speaker 3: to add things up, and once you've been out here

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Speaker 3: and know how hard it is to win on tour,

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Speaker 3: you know to have done that multiple times and have

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Speaker 3: a players in there, be on you know, a handful

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Speaker 3: of team events. It's a solid career, but when you're

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Speaker 3: in it, you always want more. But that's that's a

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Speaker 3: good thing because you you never want to be satisfied,

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Speaker 3: because you want to continue to push yourself. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's plenty of things that I still want to do.

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Speaker 3: If I was just okay with it, there's no point

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Speaker 3: in continuing to play. But I love to play, even

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Speaker 3: if I'm not competing. I love to play at home.

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Speaker 3: It's always a fun grind and trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: how to get better. There's no way to perfect it,

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Speaker 3: so we're we're always working towards more.

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Speaker 1: I think obviously your image has been one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest images in golf. You've been one of the biggest figures.

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Speaker 1: But I think one of the cool things for those

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Speaker 1: and be around you. You and I have worked together

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Speaker 1: in the past. You've worked and worked with my dad.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how hard you work. Where

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Speaker 1: do you think the drive and the work ethic that

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Speaker 1: you have and that I've been lucky enough to witness,

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Speaker 1: where does that come from? And how can other young

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Speaker 1: players kind of learn from the way that you've approached

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Speaker 1: and all of those things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: I love it. I've loved it since I was a

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Speaker 3: little kid. There's a lot of factors that go into it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my parents and grandparents and family around me.

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Speaker 3: They one just always supported it and it was never

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Speaker 3: it feels more like work. For me, it's always just

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Speaker 1: You were younger and growing up and playing golf. Obviously

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Speaker 1: everybody knows about, you know, the extreme sports that you

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Speaker 3: I always liked individual things. I wasn't a big team

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Speaker 3: sport guy, played you know, some baseball. As a little kid,

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Speaker 3: get in that situation. Rod and Rice dirt bikes, it's

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Speaker 3: So for me, it was, you know, there's really no

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Speaker 3: one else to blame. It's it's all on you. Some

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Speaker 3: you and I always I always liked that. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure why, because as as a kid at two, three

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that you love the individual thing about golf,

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Speaker 1: but if you look at your relationship with the Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: State Golf program, how how important that relationship has been

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Speaker 1: to you, How important that relationship has been to your career.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's almost like you're still on the Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: State Golf team. You care about that so much. You

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Speaker 1: love being on the President's Cup, you love being on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of it is it comes

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Speaker 2: Build with the game of golf.

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Speaker 3: Just the individual side is literally you just you know,

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Speaker 3: But outside of that, the family that we have out here,

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Speaker 3: and we're all out there grinding it out together, trying

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Speaker 3: and it's amazing the you said the friendships and relationships

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Speaker 1: The PGA Tour is kind of like high school, right.

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Speaker 1: You've got the cool kids. You've got the kind of

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Speaker 1: that want to You've always been, in my opinion, in

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Speaker 1: the reasons why the fans relate to you so well,

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Speaker 1: that relationship you have with with JT and Jordan. You

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Speaker 1: that makes the life that you lead on the PGA

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Speaker 1: You're traveling twenty thirty weeks a year. The relationships and

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Speaker 1: more fun for you when you're on the road.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean being able. I feel like, in a way,

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit of a rover. I can kind

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Speaker 3: it makes it definitely makes it more fun on the

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Speaker 1: And his family are married now and having.

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Speaker 3: start working on trying to get houses closer together. But

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Speaker 3: it's it's that's created a whole another dynamic. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I I enjoy having a good time, and whether that's

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Speaker 1: The Ryder Cup and the President's Cup, but specifically the

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Speaker 1: Ryder Cup are such a huge part of the game

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Speaker 1: of golf. Every two years, that's the one everybody wants

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Speaker 1: to watch. Anytime there's a Ryder Cup year, everything's ramped

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Speaker 1: those teams for the fans. What's it like getting on

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Speaker 1: I think everybody is fascinating the bond. I remember when

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Speaker 1: Brooks finally made his first Ryder Cup team at Hazel Team,

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Speaker 1: I kept telling once you get on one of these teams,

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Speaker 1: There's something about what do you think about those weeks?

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Speaker 1: Make them so special? Even though you don't necessarily win

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Speaker 1: every single time. Yeah, but the weeks and the bonds

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Speaker 1: there's a Ryder Cup fraternity and if you've been on one,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like your boys for life, right, you're always

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Speaker 1: because you shared that one week experience that was so intensive.

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Speaker 1: What's it like for the fans? I mean, what's it

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Speaker 1: And then the weeks are just I mean, I'm on

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Speaker 1: must be magical for you guys to spend time together

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Speaker 1: in ways that you don't normally do that.

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Speaker 3: It's I mean, yeah, you go out and play practice

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Speaker 3: who's another close friend. Well, that's the other thing that's

434
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Speaker 3: fun is we're we're all there for each other, like

435
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 3: we bounce ideas off each other. You know, I helped

436
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: JT when we're at home sometimes, same with him with

437
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: me it's we all want to see each other play well.

438
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 3: And when you see like in past, when you know

439
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 3: I've been there for guys when they've won, or guys

440
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 3: have been there for me. You know, some people have

441
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 3: give me a hard time for like why are you

442
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 3: like celebrating your buddies wins and stuff. It's like, well,

443
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 3: I was done playing boy, Yeah, I left everything out there,

444
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 3: like and then vice versa, like you want to beat

445
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 3: your friends when they play well, you know, if if

446
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: they're going to beat me, they played better, And it's

447
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 3: it's just that's how it's always been, even growing up,

448
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 3: you know, having putting and chipping contests with buddies at

449
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 3: the range, back home to high school golf to college golf.

450
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: I feel like that's where you get the best.

451
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 3: Out of your game, is being able to be with

452
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: you know, friends and be able to push each other.

453
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: It helps to have three friends like that that are

454
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: all major champions, too, and that's helpful.

455
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: I got some work to do in that category.

456
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned you're putting. I think you've got one of

457
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 1: the best putting strokes I've ever seen. I was asking

458
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: you once what you thought about when you were putting

459
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: and I'd love for you to tell everybody what you

460
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: told me you were thinking about when you're putting, because

461
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: you talk.

462
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can remember, I.

463
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: Was your brain off as you get into it, once

464
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: you go to the information gathering system. And I think

465
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Speaker 1: putting for the average golf and for a lot of

466
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Speaker 1: people listening to the podcast Rick, putting is something that

467
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: is so difficult for so many people. I've always thought

468
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: that as instructors, we kind of teach putting backwards. We

469
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Speaker 1: teach technique can stroke first, and then we kind of

470
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: work on speed your natural stroke. The fact that you

471
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: told me that when you get over potts you try

472
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: and turn your brain off. I think that's the total

473
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty degree opposite of most of the

474
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: people listen. They can't turn the brain off when they

475
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: put They're thinking of so many things. But what is

476
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: to you when you said turning your brain off? What

477
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Speaker 1: does it mean for you?

478
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Speaker 3: Well, I think, I mean it's hard to say. There's

479
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 3: ever like nothing, But when you're putting, well, it's like

480
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: you're going into it. You have a picture you visualize

481
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: where you see the ball rolling, and whether you're looking

482
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: at a spot and started it there and you're over

483
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: the ball, you're set up, you've lined up, and you

484
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: and you kind of have that look from behind as

485
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 3: well as in front. You've you've got that picture in

486
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Speaker 3: your head. And a lot of times I look at

487
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: like the grass just behind the ball, because I mean,

488
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: one of the things is you don't want your eyes

489
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: to follow the ball, so staying fixed on that. But

490
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: I'm looking there, but I kind of have like a

491
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 3: picture there of what I see the putt doing. And

492
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: really it's just thinking of the speed and how hard

493
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm hitting. How do I make that picture happen. But yeah,

494
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: when you're doing it, I'm not thinking of.

495
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: Stroked mechanics or anything like that.

496
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: No, it kind of just goes somewhat.

497
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: I guess you kind of say blank, Yeah, it's there,

498
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: and you're subconscious you know what to do. That's where

499
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 3: you know, going back to like talking about the mechanics

500
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: of the golf swing and executing. You've hit plenty of

501
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: cuts on the range, working on stuff, You've hit plenty

502
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 3: of draws.

503
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Speaker 2: It's in there. You know what to do. You don't

504
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: need to.

505
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: Like tell yourself twice you're already trying to hit a draw.

506
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 3: You don't need to tell yourself to do it on

507
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: top of that. So that's where the practice the same

508
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: thing into the putting. Like you've worked on your stroke,

509
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: you're starting it online. Just aim at your spot and

510
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: here's how hard I need to hit it.

511
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Speaker 1: I think you have a great visual approach to putting.

512
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I always say to

513
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: the juniors that are struggling with putting, I always Ricky

514
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: use you as an example. One of the things I

515
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: love about you is you'll have a twelve foot of

516
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: for birdie and if you miss it, you kind of

517
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: look at it. Take it well. The next part of

518
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: it is you go over to the bag, you put

519
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: the putter back in the bag. I've never seen you

520
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: go over and work on your stroke like a lot

521
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: of players do. To me, that's the sign that you

522
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: are a great putter because you don't feel like you're

523
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: going to lose it. But for everyone listening, do you

524
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: think that how much of it is feel? And how

525
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: much of your practice do you think for golfers needs

526
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: to be technical stroke mechanics and then feel. Because I

527
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: just don't see a lot of people on the putting green.

528
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: You'll see them every now and again, go putt long pots,

529
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: just oh, let me go get the speed of the green.

530
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: But they're not really doing anything and they think they're

531
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Speaker 1: supposed to. So feel for you means what on the greens?

532
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: Is it a visual thing? Are you? Do you feel

533
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: it kind of when you look at it? Do you

534
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: feel it in your feet? Or are you trying to

535
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: take all of this in? Because I think you are

536
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: the old in my opinion, you're one of the ultimate

537
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: field putters.

538
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought it with a line here

539
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: and there in parts of my career, but definitely a

540
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: lot better of just whether it's feeling with feet and eyes,

541
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 3: and there's there's greens that I see better just like anyone.

542
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: Some some guys just sea greens well that week, and

543
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 3: sometimes you're a bit off. No, Like putting has always

544
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 3: been super interesting. I've spent a lot of time with

545
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: Paul at Scotti's, and I've learned so much down there

546
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: over the years of stroke mechanics and having an understanding

547
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: there but also still being able to take that and

548
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: and still be a field putter.

549
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: So I feel like.

550
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: I've always had a where kind of I am now

551
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: golf swing wise. I've been with putting for a long

552
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: time and putting you don't you don't have to be perfect.

553
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 3: I mean there's there's three variables. There's you know, starting

554
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: the ball online, speed, and read. And I think when

555
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: you go back to talking about me kind of accepting

556
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: a pot and moving on, it's it's being able to

557
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: have a you know, quick assessment of like which one

558
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: was wrong? You know, did I hit it too hard?

559
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: Too soft? Maybe my read was wrong.

560
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: And I mean the one that you don't really want

561
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: is starting it offline. But you're gonna push or pull

562
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: a pot here and there. But if you can take

563
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: one of those and you're like, okay, this is what

564
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: I did wrong, We're going.

565
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: To move forward Augusta Nashville where you you've had a

566
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: chance to win. He came so close. Do you love

567
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: those greens? Do you? I mean you must, I mean,

568
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: knowing you the way you must love those greens? Right?

569
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: What do you love about them?

570
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: There's yeah, you have to be able to visualize it.

571
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, with with ame point stuff. You can

572
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: you know, in today's kind of green reading aame point

573
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 3: you can get you know, pretty good there. But I

574
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 3: feel like having createivity and imagination only helps you on

575
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: those greens. I had one of my best putting rounds there.

576
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: I can't remember which year, but I doubled one and

577
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: I doubled ten shot sixty eight with twenty one putts.

578
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 2: It was just one of those days. It was a

579
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: trash can and I just filled it up.

580
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: When you do putt well at Augusta on those greens

581
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: in competition under the heat, you must just come away

582
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: from that saying yeahuts, and it's that's a lot of fun.

583
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: It's I would say it's a big majority of that

584
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: is speed because, as you know, with the movement and

585
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: it's not like you get like perfect planar putts. There's

586
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: just always something going on. You could play a putt

587
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: in so many different spots, but you have to have

588
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: the speed to match it to that. So it's picking

589
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: your read but then committing to what that speed is.

590
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: So speed control is probably one of the biggest things there.

591
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: What's the hardest green to read it Augusta Nashville? For you?

592
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: Is there one where you get on that when you're.

593
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: Like not now, I feel like you know, some greens

594
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: will have subtle changes over years, but since I've been

595
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: there so many times, I usually I mean, I have

596
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: a pretty good feeling, like you could almost tell me, hey,

597
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: this pin this spot from eight feet where should I

598
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: be playing it? I have a pretty good memory. I

599
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: could probably go around and give some decent reads just

600
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: off memory.

601
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: And when you put rick, do you see there's linear

602
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: and nonlinear? Right linears already put straight putt to the

603
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: brake and then let the brake go way. When you're

604
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: looking at a putt, do you see the curve? Do

605
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: you see it going in? Do you see it like

606
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 1: a clock to where you know it's twelve o'clock, six

607
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: o'clock and I'm try and have this left righter come

608
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: in about eight eight thirty nine o'clock. Do you see

609
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: it like that?

610
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: It's a little yeah, a little bit of both.

611
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: That definitely starts with like where the ball's entering the

612
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: hole and then drawing lines back from there. Part of

613
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: it is because you'll see me kind of plumbob in

614
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: a way, but it's it's kind of my own I'm

615
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: not just letting it sit there, so I'm almost finding

616
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: like a straight line to a high point and then

617
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: depending if it's downhill or uphill, varies on how far

618
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: up the shaft I'll go, so kind of creating some

619
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: sort of a triangle in a way, and then within

620
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: that triangle is the circle or like the curve yeap,

621
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: so like that.

622
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: I've never thought about that. So you basically kind of

623
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: create like a barrier and then you're trying to curve it.

624
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it would be like the entry and then

625
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: the start. Obviously you're never going to get to that

626
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 3: high point of the triangle, but it's gonna start and

627
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: then finish on those lines.

628
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: Grade for twenty twenty four, goals for twenty twenty five

629
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Speaker 1: coming off twenty three.

630
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Twenty four was about.

631
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: An f.

632
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: I didn't think you were gonna say that D minus.

633
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: Honestly, looking at early parts of events, probably I wasn't

634
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: that far off of some of the starts in twenty three.

635
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: Is just when I had chances or what I did

636
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: on weekends in twenty three was the big difference. I

637
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: didn't execute, you know, I missed a handful of cuts,

638
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: but nothing like the years prior. So twenty three I

639
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: just did a really good job of getting myself a

640
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: tea time and then moved forward on the weekend and

641
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: if I was in a decent spot, I was in

642
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: contention and had chances to win. So I like what

643
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: I saw from the last three events that I just played,

644
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: coming off a nice little break, feeling refreshed and happy

645
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: with where things are going. I've got a nice good

646
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: chunk of time right now with some work stuff, time

647
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: with family, but also be able to get ready building

648
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: off of these these three events going into twenty five.

649
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, twenty five is definitely gonna be better than

650
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: twenty four.

651
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: In twenty five, you'll be celebrating fifteen years with Puma,

652
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: in ten years with Cobra Golf. What's that relationship been

653
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: like and how important has that relationship with the Cobra

654
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: Puma family been to you in your career.

655
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: For me, it's always been about you know, partnerships and

656
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: being able to you know, work with you know, companies

657
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 3: or people you believe in and obviously want to be with.

658
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: To me, it's, you know, we're all family, and it's

659
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: it's felt like that from from day one, So yeah,

660
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: we're in it together.

661
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to really put.

662
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: It into kind of perspective for people on the outside

663
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: or have a full understanding, but yeah, it's not like

664
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: I don't feel like, hey, we pay you to, you know,

665
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: wear these clothes or you know you need to hit

666
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: this stuff. It's like, we work on this stuff together

667
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: and we all want to see it do well. And

668
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: now it's been fun. I said, I'm someone that looks

669
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: to have partnerships and do stuff together and have a

670
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: good time.

671
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned the family, asked of it. Ben Showman and

672
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: James Posey work on the tour truck. Ben does a

673
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: lot of your fittings. James does as well. That relationship

674
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: that you've created, it's almost like I look at the

675
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: relationship you have with Ben, it's almost like an F

676
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: one driver and the engineer, you know, the relationship that

677
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 1: kind of Lewis has with Bono, his chief engineer. You

678
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: guys are kind of always in the trenches kind of.

679
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: And you're a tinkerer too. I don't think a lot

680
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: of people realize how much you're constantly trying different stuff

681
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: because you're trying. I don't think you're trying to try.

682
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: I think you're trying to gain an edge. But that

683
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: relationship that you and Ben and James, you know from

684
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: a tour department, they're the ones that build your equipment,

685
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: They're the ones that help you test it. What's that

686
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: relationship like now and how has it changed over the years.

687
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it's an amazing team and what's fun. You know,

688
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: We've always had a fairly small team, so it's it's

689
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: just a few guys girls, So it's not like trying

690
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: to work with a big crew. Our input is you know,

691
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: actually gets hurt and being able to work with Ben

692
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: and James and you know everyone back in the shop

693
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: and engineers. But yeah, I love being able to test

694
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: and mess with stuff and figure out why things work,

695
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: why some stuff doesn't, what causes that, what are the differences,

696
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: Just to have an understanding. I've always loved equipment from Woods, Irons, putters, everything,

697
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: So it's always trying to figure out like or we'll

698
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: talking about our experience earlier, but it's like having an

699
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: understanding of what causes what and ultimately how do we

700
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: make things better.

701
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Well, I know you're a big car guy, but it

702
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: is a little bit like an engineer in F one.

703
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: They know how you like the car to run right,

704
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: they know how you like your equipment to look, they

705
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: know how you like your equipment to feel. How much

706
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: when you're testing equipment with Ben and Jas how much

707
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: of that is you balancing what the numbers are saying

708
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: versus the look and the feel of the clubs that

709
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: they're trying to put into your hands, because it's tough

710
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: to play clubs that you don't.

711
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: Like the look of Yeah, I mean, look is kind

712
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 3: of the first one. You feel has a big part

713
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 3: to do with it. But if it if the look

714
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 3: and it performs, you can deal with feel being you know,

715
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: maybe not your normal. So I'd say, yeah, the first

716
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: thing when someone puts a club down.

717
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 2: Is it has to pass the looks test.

718
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: It's got to look good. Yeah, you put the King

719
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: Tour Black Irons in your bag. They look really cool.

720
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean I took him out when I got sent down,

721
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: I took him out. I was like, man, these sends

722
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: look money. What do you like about them from a

723
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: look standpoint but also from a playability standpoint?

724
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: Uh, well, I've been in the King Too or Iron

725
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: Now for a little over two years. When I tested

726
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: them against having the NBS and the CBS, I took

727
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: them all out. And this was obviously a couple of

728
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 3: years back, but I was seeing them basically the same

729
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: numbers with the King Tours. But I was just noticing

730
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: on on little off center hits, whether it was groove

731
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: low or healed tobias, the numbers or the carry numbers

732
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: were staying a lot closer to a full number. So

733
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 3: mishits were, We're a bit better if you can get

734
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: away with you know, saving two or three yards here

735
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: and there, that's that can be a big difference. So

736
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: very similar performance, just a bit more forgiving. So I

737
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: was like, well, why make it harder on myself, I'll

738
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: go here and then I didn't even really know about

739
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: the black and the works.

740
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: That was a couple of months ago.

741
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: Ben sent a fresh set of Irons as well as

742
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 3: the black, and I don't think the fresh set of

743
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: the silver King Tours have been hit yet. I just

744
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: took the black, which, yeah, obviously same head, same shape, everything,

745
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: just you know, being in black, and you know with

746
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 3: the black heads, you know, the King Tours are obviously

747
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: a little bigger profile than like an NB or CB,

748
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: but the black does help kind of mute the edges

749
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: and makes the head look a fraction smaller.

750
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: To me, they look better in black.

751
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 3: I obviously played well and have had plenty of success

752
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: with the over, but in black I thought it did

753
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: a better job, and sometimes in that brush finish the

754
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: edges or leading edge or some of those high points

755
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: can pop a little bit, So the black kind of

756
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: helped kind of mute and just quiet them down a bit.

757
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: Cobra has some cool new technology coming out in driver

758
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: fitting and adjustable huzzle future Fit thirty three to be

759
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: able to adjust the loft and the lie for everyone listening.

760
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: Not everybody knows you can adjust the loft on a

761
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: driver round. That technology has been around, but I think

762
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: the cool thing that Cover has come out with is

763
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: all these abilities to change the lie of your metal ones.

764
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: Why is that important and how can that help regular golfers?

765
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: Well, just being able to have that many options, and

766
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: I mean not you're not going to be using all

767
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: of them, but starting in the middle and have an

768
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: idea of maybe where to go from there. Then you

769
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: have a quadrant that you would kind of live in.

770
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: But having that many options in that area it's I

771
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 3: think four times the amount of options. But being able

772
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: to do loft and lie independently. You know, if you

773
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: want a more loft but flatter or vice versa. It

774
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: just helps fine tune it a bit more, especially when

775
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: you're looking for a certain look. I want to see,

776
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: you know, more face. I want some more loft, But

777
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: I don't want this thing to come upright on me.

778
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me how many when we look at drivers,

779
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: how different all of the all of you guys that play,

780
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: How different you want the driver to look at address.

781
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: Some guys don't want to see a lot of the face.

782
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: Some guys want to look down and see that. Some

783
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: guys don't want to see the toe. Some guys no, No,

784
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: that looks way way too shut for me. I need

785
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: when you look down at your driver, what do you

786
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: like to see from a look standpoint? Do you want

787
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: to see a little bit more of the face? Do

788
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: you want to see a little bit more of the toe,

789
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: or do you want to see that kind of toed

790
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: and less of the loft?

791
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: I would say it would be if you measure it

792
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: probably be towards just a fraction open. What would look

793
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: square to a player's eye, or for most players, I

794
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: would say, And then I want to see a little

795
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: bit of face, because I feel like when you get

796
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: to a point where you don't see enough face, then.

797
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: You trying to get it out.

798
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

799
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: The average golfer doesn't realize the more loft they put

800
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: on the driver, it's going to help them get the

801
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: ball in the air, because the less loft they go,

802
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: it looks like there's no loft. It looks shut and

803
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: then they get hanging back and trying to hit up

804
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: on it and work it in the air.

805
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And a big thing is, you know, being able

806
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: to deliver it in a good way and let the

807
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: driver work for you, not trying to you know, help

808
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: it or so one. I mean obviously getting into a

809
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: shaft that fits you, but then being able to mess

810
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: with the loft and lie to get it in the

811
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: spot where one it looks good but either there's going

812
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: to be enough loft for you or where you don't

813
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: have to try and manipulate it.

814
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: Covers also doing some really cool things with three D printing.

815
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: They got a new iron. You like that technology and

816
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: where do you think that technology can go down the line?

817
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: The three D and printing is really cool, you know,

818
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: from being able to do some different wedges and you know,

819
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: if there's you know, having a grind that you might

820
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 3: like and being able to scan it and duplicate it

821
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: a lot easier from the irons and being able to

822
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: move waiting around. We've done some testing there and going

823
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: to try some more extremes as well, because with that

824
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: printing you can i mean move weight and CG and

825
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: in a bunch of different places and seeing you know,

826
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: how that translates. You know, sometimes just because of moving

827
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: weight in a certain direction, sometimes it doesn't fully translate

828
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: how you think it might or like what a robot

829
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: might do, because you know, once it's in your hands

830
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: and you're swinging it, players will react to what that

831
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: feel is. So it's been interesting to mess with that

832
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: a bit, and we're going to do some more testing

833
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: in that area. I think being able to use the

834
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: printing in other ways to you know, whether it's being

835
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 3: able to print woodheads or whatever there's there's it makes

836
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: prototyping a lot easier.

837
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: And being able to test things out because.

838
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: You could say, hey, listen, I wanted to look like this,

839
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: and then.

840
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and being able to you know, down the road

841
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: as far as you know, if you wanted to have

842
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: an iron that had this soul, this top line, this

843
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: heel toe length, kind of just pick and choose and

844
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 3: hit a button and here's your iron.

845
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Your relationship with my dad. Butch Harmon not that what

846
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: she needs is ego massaged more, because I mean, obviously

847
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: we know how much he feels about himself. I think

848
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: he's the one of the best, if not the best,

849
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: golf instructor at the tour level. But I've never asked

850
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: any of his guys, and I've always wanted to. So

851
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: you're the first opportunity that I'm going to get to.

852
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: What do you think makes him such a great tour coach?

853
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: I mean we can say kind of whatever on here. Well,

854
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 3: he's not gonna bullshit you.

855
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: He's definitely not gonna do that.

856
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: I mean some of the texts or responses or like

857
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: what the fuck was that?

858
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I know, yeah.

859
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: He's I think people don't realize one and a lot tummy.

860
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Fleetwood said this to me. He said he was unprepared

861
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: for how much my dad cared. And I think the

862
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: thing that people are surprised at given kind of his

863
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: public persona, you know, the Butch Harmon kind of throwing,

864
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: you know, jabs at everybody. You know, Tony Navarro used

865
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: to say, who used to caddy for Greg Norman? Who

866
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: caddy Prada? Suff the world is his dart board? He's

867
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: just firing darts at everybody. But I do think that

868
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: and I learned that from him with all of the

869
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: players that I've got, And my wife always says to me,

870
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: you care too much about the guys you work with.

871
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how to do my job

872
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: if I don't. And I think he is the ultimate cheerleader.

873
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: He's he's a he's a bad cop at times, but

874
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: there's way more good cup for you guys, not for me,

875
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: but for you guys. They're more good cup for Butchy

876
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: than people realize.

877
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he's he's he's always watching them. He always

878
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: knows what's going on. He's always keeping an eye.

879
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: I think one bad swinging, he's gonna tell you.

880
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No, he's gonna let you hear it. He's

881
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: he's not a he's not a yes man. He's gonna

882
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: even if you did play well, he'll pick a part

883
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: like this needs to be better, or you know, you

884
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: were getting a long today, or you're getting quick like

885
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: you did a good job of getting away with it.

886
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: And that goes back to kind of the executing and

887
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: finding a way. But he will be the first to

888
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: tell you you're you're doing a good job. You sure well

889
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: you have to get to that point, as far as

890
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: it takes work.

891
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm hoping I get there one day.

892
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: Because I think he's nicer to his players than to you,

893
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: but because you're you're blood. But he wants to be

894
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: able to push you and and he means it in

895
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: a good way. He's trying to make you better. But

896
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: he'll keep keep me, will keep pushing you because he

897
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: wants the he wants the best of his guys.

898
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: And I think he has And this is the thing

899
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm marvel at him that I've tried to emulate over

900
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: my career. He has this unbelievable and aate ability to

901
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: say the right thing at the right time. But the

902
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: other thing that he told me when I first started

903
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: working with tour players, he said, listen, this will be

904
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: hard to understand, but sometimes it's what you don't say

905
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: that makes all the difference. Because he said, it's easy

906
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: to just go in and go, hey, we need to

907
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: change this, this, this, this, Hey, you didn't do this,

908
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: you didn't do this. But I do think that there

909
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: are times where he doesn't say something to beat you up,

910
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: and you're surprised by that.

911
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, there's there's definitely been times where you're expecting

912
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: something and kind of radio silent. I think, what what?

913
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: Butch does a very good job at with with a

914
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, number of guys one with him understanding both

915
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: the playing and the coaching side. That's invaluable, being able

916
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: to keep it fairly simple and sometimes even more simple

917
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: depending on how it's going. But working or saying we

918
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: need to work on this certain thing, but that certain

919
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: thing will help these others get into place, not saying

920
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: this is what we need to we need to do

921
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: all these things and be like gonna hammer this and

922
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: he knows it's going to help clean up other things.

923
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing is, you know, my

924
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: dad is he's a winner, right, He's one that he

925
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: prides himself on that he is so proud of you

926
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: guys when you win. I mean it's almost like he

927
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: wants it more sometimes than you guys.

928
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: Like you're saying earlier about like being nervous when the

929
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: guys you know, you guys have a chance and stuff,

930
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: like you guys are as much invested as all of us.

931
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Lastly, Ricky, I think you changed golf fashion forever. I

932
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: think when you came out on tour, the way that

933
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: people view dressing in golf and the way people now

934
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: dress in golf, and if you look at not just

935
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: the relationship and the work you've done with with Puma Golf,

936
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: but I think when you came out on tour, nobody

937
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: had seen anything like that. The Justin Bieber hair, the

938
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: flat bills, the orange, the monochrome, all of that. Are

939
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: you proud of the fact that you kind of you

940
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: took golf maybe in a different direction just based off

941
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: of the way you dressed.

942
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: I mean it was obviously we didn't go into it.

943
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was.

944
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: It was.

945
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: It was fun being able to, you know, start with

946
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: Puma and kind of have like open doors and be

947
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: able to just let's have fun, you know, having the

948
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: Moto background and being from southern California kind of I'm

949
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: definitely Moto Capital World and Action sports and and just

950
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: kind of bring my childhood into you know, me being

951
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: me on the golf course and to see the like

952
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: how much the definitely younger generation like took that in

953
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: and and to see you know, how many kids wanted

954
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: to you know, wear our gear and the hats. That

955
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: was just I mean a huge bonus because it was

956
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: just I wanted to go out, have fun and wear

957
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: what I wanted to wear.

958
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: And then here we are.

959
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: Have you ever dressed as Halloween is just a regular

960
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: golfer And that's my Halloween now. And I'm wearing pleated

961
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: pants and I'll wear kakis. I'm gonna wear some big

962
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: sleeve shirts. And you know something.

963
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: One time was I can't remember if I was like

964
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: seven or eight, but I dressed as Freddy, so that

965
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: might have been as that might have been as traditional

966
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: old school as I've gotten for Halloween.

967
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: It's been so fun to watch your career. I've been

968
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: lucky enough to spend a lot of time with you.

969
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I consider your friend. I know my dad was happy

970
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: when you got back in the Winter Circle last year.

971
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: I'd be honest with you. I was sitting in my

972
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: hotel room. I was in London at a tournament, and

973
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: I was crying. It's great to see you back. You're

974
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: such a great ambassador, Ricky for the game, for the

975
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: way the game should be played, and the way that everybody.

976
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: I told all the junior golfers two people if you

977
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: could model your career off of obviously the og goat

978
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: Adam scott everybody wants to be Scottie, right. I mean,

979
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: he's kind of the gold standard of class. But I

980
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: think when I look at the way that you have

981
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: conducted yourself and the things that you've been able to do,

982
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: and the way that you have handled not only great

983
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: successes but also adversity and the friendships, when we see

984
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: you behind the greens waiting for guys that you're trying

985
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: to be the it shows that people mean something to

986
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: you and and relationships mean something new. And I'm so

987
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: lucky to get to watch your career, but I'm also

988
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: incredibly lucky to get a chance to spend time with

989
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: you and work with you in the past. So great

990
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: to see him.

991
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: We got too, thank you.

992
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: So a really good interview with Ricky Fowler and easy

993
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: to see why he is so popular with the fans.

994
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: I just think he's a really, really genuine person. I

995
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: think it comes across in all of his interviews and

996
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: just kind of the way he carries himself. And listen,

997
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: you could make an argument that he could have won more,

998
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: but I look at Ricky Feller, and I look at

999
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: the career he's had, and listen, golf is tough, and

1000
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: I think we expect a lot from our superstars, but

1001
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: I think Ricky's delivered. I think he's delivered at a really,

1002
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: really high level. And I still think he has some

1003
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: great golf left in him and his career, and I

1004
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he goes on to do some

1005
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: incredibly big things even at this stage of his career.

1006
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: Can't thank everybody enough for listening. Son of Butch comes

1007
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: to you almost every Wednesday, but we will definitely see

1008
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: you next week for a little master's preview