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Speaker 1: listen to your podcast and enjoy the show. Ralph that

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Speaker 1: cautiously optimism. From last podcast about June one, we find

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Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley. It was not an elite quarterback. Sorry, facts

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Speaker 1: are facts, though, so the elite quarterbacks in the league

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Speaker 1: must be named and we must talk about them. So

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Speaker 1: Ralph will go from twelve to one like we always

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Speaker 1: do on the list, who is your twelfth quarter act

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Speaker 1: in the pack twelve? Coming in at number twelve someone

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Speaker 1: who UH was in high school or up until like

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Speaker 1: a week ago, possibly unless he was an early and rolie,

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Speaker 1: and that is University of Washington's Ethan Garber's UH put

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Speaker 1: together one of the most statistically absurd high school senior

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Speaker 1: seasons UM that I have ever laid eyes on. He

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00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: is the younger brother of Chase Garber's and it's very,

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Speaker 1: very possible that if he is able to go in

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00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: and wow the University of Washington head coaching head coach

440
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake and the rest of that staff, that you

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Speaker 1: see a true freshman take the reins um for the

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Speaker 1: first time since I believe it wasn't Jake Browning playing

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Speaker 1: as a as a true freshman. So um yeah. So

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Speaker 1: I think the Ethan Garbers has a legitimate shot to

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Speaker 1: start UH for the Huskies, and for that, I believe

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Speaker 1: he deserves to be on this list. Not not bad

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00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Ralphie not bad um uh. Speaking of Ralphie UM, Colorado

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00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: have Colorado's quarterback Tyler Litto and the number twelve spot.

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00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: Reason why he's in the number twelve spot is because

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Speaker 1: we don't even know if he's gonna start. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of question marks and all of that. They

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Speaker 1: have a couple of guys with I'm sorry with with

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Speaker 1: tenure in terms of they've been on roster, on the roster,

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Speaker 1: on the team, and Little has the most roster experience,

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Speaker 1: but oh lord, they have no playtime experience. So that's

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Speaker 1: why Colorado's quarterback situation is in the toilet, and why

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Speaker 1: every why me and both Ralph think that they could

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Speaker 1: be looking at a two or three win season in

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Speaker 1: t Who you got at eleven, Ralph coming in at

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Speaker 1: number eleven and staying at the University of Washington. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we got big six ft five Jacob Sermon, who I

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Speaker 1: believe is probably the favorite having been there for the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years to go ahead and take over

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Speaker 1: UM for Jacob Eason. And so I know I already

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Speaker 1: have two players from the same school. I do believe

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Speaker 1: whoever gets in there is gonna is gonna have some success.

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Speaker 1: This is I believe, if I'm looking at this, this

468
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Speaker 1: is the only repeat UM ranking that I have, So

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Speaker 1: this is the only time that I'm gonna have more

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Speaker 1: than one quarterback from the same school, because we do

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Speaker 1: not have J. T. Daniels as part of this, as

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Speaker 1: he is yet to announce where he is going to

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Speaker 1: spend next season playing quarterback. UM So, if my math

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Speaker 1: is correct, you ranked the top twelve, put two people

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Speaker 1: from the University of Washington, and there are twelve teams

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Speaker 1: in the pack. Twelve Ralph's Ralph that equals Ralph's gonna

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Speaker 1: get hate mail because whoever you left off this list

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Speaker 1: we shall see um at number eleven, I have the

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Speaker 1: combination of Washington States quarterbacks of Cooper and Crews. I

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Speaker 1: know nothing about these kids, haven't seen him play. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: and you got a new head coach without a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of without any spring ball, Like, I just don't

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Speaker 1: see this as a as a you know, but you know,

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Speaker 1: they could turn out to be my my man down

485
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: in jack Jacksonville with his Georg's but he actually had experience.

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Speaker 1: So I I just don't have a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: faith in Washington States quarterback situation. Of course, they'll put

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Speaker 1: up a whole bunch of fantastic numbers because uh Rolovich

489
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Speaker 1: is gonna come in kind of probably keep that spread

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Speaker 1: uh offense and keep up the the you know, that

491
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Speaker 1: fast break offense, and they're gonna throw the ball around

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Speaker 1: a lot and they're gonna put up a lot of yards.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you kind of get what you get

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Speaker 1: with that offense. So we shall see. So I got

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Speaker 1: to Washington State quarterbacks at number eleven, number ten, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: where you where are you at? Well, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that we were allowed to hook them up in tandem,

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Speaker 1: but um, and so that that put me in a

499
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Speaker 1: situation where I actually have I had to make a decision,

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Speaker 1: and I put Camon Cooper just outside the top twelve

501
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Speaker 1: at my number fourteen and Gunner Cruise. I'm going with

502
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Speaker 1: the local boy. And you can call me biased, but

503
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I covered him at the high school level. He is

504
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: a big, super strong, super physically mature quarterback who is

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Speaker 1: uh he was just built to throw the ball thirty

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Speaker 1: to forty times a game. And I think that in

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Speaker 1: Nick Rolovich's offense, if he is able to secure that

508
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: starting job, he's gonna do some pretty special things. But

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Speaker 1: he'll still be a Richard freshman, right So um, there,

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Speaker 1: there's definitely still the potential that there could be some

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Speaker 1: some growing pains there. And for that reason, I have

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Speaker 1: Gunner Cruise at number ten. Okay, see you have intel

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Speaker 1: on him because you have seen him play. You had

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Speaker 1: told me about about the kid, but I need to

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Speaker 1: see him with time on task with my own eyes. Um,

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Speaker 1: I have at number ten. I have your boys down

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Speaker 1: with the Arizona Amsden's Grant Gannell at number number ten

518
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Speaker 1: because he got in some last year. There were a

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00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: couple of flashes. But I don't trust what Kevin Sumlin

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Speaker 1: is doing, so I don't know how this is gonna

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Speaker 1: work out. Is he gonna be trying to, you know,

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Speaker 1: pull him in and out of a lineup like he

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Speaker 1: did last year, you know, messing around with Khalil Tate

524
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: often it wasn't going anywhere. He doesn't have a ton

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00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: of like he's got some wide receivers because they have

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Speaker 1: people on the roster, but they don't have anybody that's special.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be hard for a young

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Speaker 1: quarterback to be successful in that situation Arizona. It just

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00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of momentum buildings. So even if

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Speaker 1: even if Grant Cannell turns out to be a good quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I think that this season won't be you know that

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, you you may say, Okay,

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00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: he's going somewhere, but you're not gonna be wowed by

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Speaker 1: any of his stats, by any stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I agree, but we will get to

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Speaker 1: that later. I coming in at number what what am

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00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: I in them? I'm a number nine right now. This

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Speaker 1: is a little bit of a controversial one for me

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Speaker 1: because whereas I believe that Cameron Rising will eventually take

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Speaker 1: over the starting quarterback job um at University of you Taw,

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Speaker 1: I do uh. I think that Jake Bentley is a

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00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: better player, and we've seen a whole lot more of

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00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: him in his days at South Carolina. And so this

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00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: is really weird because I feel I feel like I'm

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00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: waffling here, But I have Cameron Rising is my he's

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Speaker 1: my He's my first out at at number thirteen, and

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00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: I feel like he can run that offense fairly well enough.

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00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: He's still pretty young. He's had a history of injuries,

549
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: but then again, so is Jake Bentley. But just the

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Speaker 1: amount of games that Jake Bentley has started against high

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00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: level opponents leads me to believe that there's not going

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00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: to be anything that it's going to surprise him or

553
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: take him aback. So um, I think that Jake Bentley

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00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: probably gets this job given his experience, but I'm not

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00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: I do not believe he'll hold up for a full season.

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00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: And uh and that's just based on on his history.

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00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: So I have Bentley ranked ahead of Cameron Rising. I

558
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: do think that Rising will end starting at some point,

559
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: which is just always a safe bet if you're if

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00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about the University of Utah, you know, the

561
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks always gonna get beat up a little bit. I

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00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: feel like, um, just with the style of play they

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00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: have out there and so um well, and in the

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Speaker 1: pack twelve, you had like nineteen starting quarterbacks last year.

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00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: Mm hmm exactly. And so I think that I think

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Speaker 1: that Utah is going to be one of those teams

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00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: that plays more than one quarterback. And I think that

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00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: eventually people are going to recognize Cameron Rising as maybe

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Speaker 1: one of the best University of Utah quarterbacks in the

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00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: last ten years. But for right now, you gotta you

571
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: gotta lean toward the guy who has three different years

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00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: of starting experience against some of the highest level competition

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00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: that you can have. Don't check your Twitter until the end.

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00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I want to have you live react to some Pack

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00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: twelve news after we're done talking about the quarterbacks and

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00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: the coaches. Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god. Dude,

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00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: you just gave me anxiety right now. You just actually

578
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: not dude. Now, I'm gonna have to for the rest

579
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: of the show fight the urge to not look at

580
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it, but to fight my urge

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00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: to look at Twitter to not react to this news.

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00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna look, but you've it'll be worth

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00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: it for the show. I promise you it'll be worth it.

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00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: You're like, don't look down. That's what I promise you.

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00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: It'll be worth to get to get your reaction. Okay, cool,

586
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm super excited. Now, Um number nine, I have, uh,

587
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: a guy you've already mentioned. I have Ethan Garber's at

588
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: number nine, or whoever Washington's quarterback ends up being, whether

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00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: it's Jacob Sermon or Ethan Garber's, because Washington has a

590
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: very talented team, so that quarterback is going to be

591
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: surrounded with you know, it's a solid defense, pretty good

592
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: offensive line. The running backs have some talent, wide receivers

593
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: have some talent, so it's gonna like what Washington's quarterback

594
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: situation is going to be, where it's hard to fail,

595
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. And I think that Arizona's situation

596
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: is more uh questionable because of coaching and talent at

597
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: the wide receiver spot officer line all that, and Washington

598
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: State don't know much about him new coach, and Colorado's

599
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: just doesn't look very good at all. So that's why

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Speaker 1: I got Ethan Garber's at number nine. Ralph, Okay, that's

601
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: a UM. I like it. I like it because you're

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00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: you're you're letting it be known that you think the

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00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: young guns probably gonna get the get the job out there. UM.

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00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: I have somebody who was super hyped coming out of

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00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: high school and uh, it's just been it's been like

606
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: three years since since um since that hype and nothing

607
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: has really happened. And the time is now. And that's

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00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: Tristan Jeba out of Oregon State. They run a really,

609
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: really great offense. He's got a couple of weapons out there,

610
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: including our guy, um four ft to champ fleming to

611
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: to throw to his absolute weapon and get out of here.

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00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: Hey he's good, he's good. You know, he's good. You know,

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00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 1: he's good, he's he's a nice player. He is, right, right,

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00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where okay, and if

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00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: he was five inches taller, he would be the next year, right,

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00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 1: Like you have to have a crazy level of skill

617
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: to be like five ft five play impact world football.

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00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: That's a fact. I do agree with that that you do.

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Speaker 1: The the smaller that you are in sports, the better

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00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: and more talented and tougher that you do have to

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Speaker 1: be to uh to to to um. Just to take

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00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: a little side route here, are you one of those

623
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Speaker 1: people that believes that whole thing of like if Muggsy

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00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: was eight inches taller, if Earl Boykins was eight inches taller,

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00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: they'd be one of the greats or do you think

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00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: it's okay? No, I do not subscribe to that at all,

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00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: because I do believe that their height, I like, contributed

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00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: to how hard they worked, how you know, like the

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Speaker 1: skills that they developed. And I don't think that it actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, um translates necessarily into increased performance, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? So yeah, yeah, and um, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. Surprisingly we ended up with the same person

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Speaker 1: at the same number. I got Tristan jeb at number

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Speaker 1: eight um, he got a chance to start against Oregon

635
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: in the Civil War. Didn't really do much, but he

636
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: was very hyped coming out. He went to Nebraska first, right,

637
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: and he went to Nebraska first. Remember, as he was

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00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: super big on him. They thought they thought, um, the

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00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: coaching staff that was here at the time, the offensive

640
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: staff thought he was the guy on the West coast. Yeah,

641
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: well see here, here's here's what I know about Tristan

642
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Jeva because my son has worked out with him and

643
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: his brother. Right, Okay, so we're talking now, we're really

644
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: talking inside information. Yeah. So if if this were a

645
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: a a drill competition and a you know, doing all

646
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: the things that the quarterback coach teaches you perfectly, Tristan

647
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: Jeba would would would be an all time Pack twelve player,

648
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: like all time. But he's kind of a robot and

649
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: kind of struggled and had struggled with kind of making

650
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: decisions on the fly and kind of taking all that, like,

651
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, all the drills and translating them onto the field.

652
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: So so kind of some of his fluidity had been

653
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: kind of taken away from his game because he was

654
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: like program to do it a certain way and think

655
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks who are very successful in the NFL.

656
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: Right now, You've got Aaron Rodgers, you got Russell Wilson,

657
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, you got Drew Brees. You know, like some

658
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: of these guys who are oh Pat Patrick, my homes.

659
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: They make a lot of off platform throws, different arm angles,

660
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: They kind of improvise. There's not a whole lot of

661
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: improvising in Tristan jevy is game. But does he have

662
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: all the tools. Yes, He's got all the tools in

663
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: the toolbox. He's just got to figure out how to

664
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: just let his hair down, if that makes sense. Yes, yeah,

665
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: if he if he can, if he can, I mean,

666
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: he's been there for long enough that you have to

667
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: figure that he's got some comfort. He just gotta look

668
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: like it, right um, and I think that their early

669
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: conference schedule could give him some of that confidence that

670
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: he needs to carry over into um in the Pact

671
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: twelve play. But he the pressures on him because he

672
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: made that move. He he left Nebraska when he probably

673
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: could have continued to battle for the job out there,

674
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: considering that they're like back to back to back seasons

675
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: without a bowl. Well and and truthfully too so he

676
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: was a freshman at Nebraska. His dad told me why

677
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: he trans transferred. You know, you know, people have their reasons,

678
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: but ironically I think it's is uh. Martinez is the

679
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: quarterback at Nebraska now, and he won the job, and

680
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: he immediately got hurt I think in the first game.

681
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: So had jevy Es stayed in Nebraska, he would have

682
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: been playing like he would have had a chance at

683
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: the starting job, which is crazy. Is one of those

684
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: things like do you transfer immediately or do you stick

685
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: it out? Because you're always quote unquote one play away.

686
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: That's always interesting. Who you got a number seven? Ralph?

687
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: I have Grant Canel. Grant Canell completed You love him, dude.

688
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: He has replaced. He's replaced. He's not even in the

689
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: top half. He's not even in the top half. He

690
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: completed his passes eight yards an attempt. He only through

691
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: one interception. They were waffling in between two different quarterbacks

692
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: at the time, so that there was never really any

693
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: consistency there. And while the offense is more designed for him,

694
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily built around him just yet. I thought

695
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: he looked fantastic as a as a true freshman. His

696
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: big issue is how many times. Can he get sacked

697
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: before it becomes an issue? I know that or And

698
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: really got after him. Oregon took him to the ground

699
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: five different times, and and you know that that game

700
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: was definitely a struggle for him. But you know, hundred

701
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: and fifty five some odd pass attempts and only one pick.

702
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: You know that that type of intelligent play and fitting

703
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: within the system is gonna be what sets him apart

704
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: and what has him knocking on the door being one

705
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: of the top six quarterbacks in the conference. Because he doesn't,

706
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: like you already mentioned, he doesn't have weapons. He just

707
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: does not. Yeah, that's exactly why I had him met

708
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: number two, because he doesn't have weapons. But I do

709
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: think that he is going to prove that you know

710
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: that he's a good quarterback. I just don't think his

711
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: stats are gonna wow you Um. At number seven, I

712
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: got Jake Bentley at Utah. I agree with what you

713
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: said about Cameron rising Um, but Jake Bentley, he does

714
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: have starter experience. And think about everybody lower on this

715
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: list so far eight through twelve doesn't have any starting

716
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: experience really except for Grant Gannell. And I think that

717
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: his situation is going to hurt him more than anything else.

718
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: So Jake Bentley at Utah or Cameron Rising, Uh, Like

719
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: it's one one of those teams where Whittingham is such

720
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: a good coach that he'll find a way to get

721
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: his team, you know, to protect if it's his young

722
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: quarterback Cameron Rising, But if it's Jake Bentley, he should

723
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: the team should be able to do better because they

724
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: always asked their They don't ask their quarterbacks to be

725
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: superheroes like Tyler Huntley. They asked him to be game

726
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: managers who you know, play within the offense. They're gonna

727
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, try

728
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: to play defense, and then hit you over the head

729
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: with some plays from the quarterback's arm every now and then.

730
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: And they're hoping that Jake Bentley can be a guy

731
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: who can be more dynamic of a passer because that's

732
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: what they're gonna need because they lost basically of their

733
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: seven draft picks. Their seven draft picks people, um, I

734
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: think six of them were on offense, so their defense

735
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: should not be as good. So that's why Jake Bentley

736
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: lands at number seven for me. Okay, I coming in

737
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: rounding out the very bottom of the top half of

738
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in the Pack twelve. Um, I think you're

739
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: you and everybody else is gonna absolutely hate where I

740
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: go here. Um, but we got a six ft one pounds,

741
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: soaking wet quarterback who completed fifty of his passes last

742
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: year for yards, one touchdowns, and twelve interceptions. And I'm

743
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: reminded a little bit of a six ft one pounds,

744
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: soaking wet quarterback who in his junior year in the

745
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: Pac ten completed fifty percent of his passes for yards,

746
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: seventeen touchdowns, and nine interceptions. Now, the game has changed,

747
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: the game has changed very very much. You're gonna have

748
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: to up your production exponentially if you want to be

749
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: considered amongst one of the Pac twelves all time great quarterbacks.

750
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: But the comparison that I just made statistically is Jake

751
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: Plumber's junior year, same size, same essentially skill set, Uh,

752
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: similar production, however one is considered you know, and and Jake,

753
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: Jake went six and five that year. By the way, Uh,

754
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: Jake is considered one of the all time greats because

755
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: you know of the senior season that he went on

756
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: to have. And I feel like if Dorian Thompson Robinson

757
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 1: can will u c l A to a Pactole South

758
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: championship coming off the crumby year that they just tad um.

759
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: It's very very possible that he could redirect his legacy

760
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: and do something very special. Do I think that will happen? No,

761
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: I do not, But there are there are shades of

762
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: of a very very very good quarterback in him, and

763
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: if all of the chips fall correctly, he could do

764
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: something special this year. I agree with you there, Ralph

765
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: about if the chips fall, and I think the variants

766
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: on during Thompson Robinson is the greatest of any quarterback

767
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: in in the Pact twelve this year. Like he's going

768
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: into his junior year, it's it's feast or fam and time.

769
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: You know, like he's either going to submit his legacy

770
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: in the u c l A Record books and you know, folklore,

771
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: or he's going to flame out and there's gonna be

772
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: another quarterback end halfway through the season and his dad's

773
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna be tweeting and all of that. Yeah, he could

774
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: he he could have sent greatness, or he could transfer

775
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game in Week one. Yep, yeah, yeah.

776
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: The biggest variants um at number six for me, I

777
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: got the kid out of Stanford. I got Davis Mills

778
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: because he's gonna be their starting quarterback. He completed six

779
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: passed his last year, almost two thousand yards, eleven touchdowns,

780
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: five interceptions, but their offense was trash when he was

781
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: in last year, trash, and I don't blame him. I

782
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: got questions about this quote unquote intellectual brutality. I think

783
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: it's broken. I think it's antiquated and it doesn't work anymore.

784
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: So he's coming in at number six. He was a

785
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: five star recruit, right, not just a five star recruit

786
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: my company Rivals. He was the number one quarterback in

787
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: the country and the number ten player in the country.

788
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: So if he does anything other than blow up, it's

789
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 1: gonna look not that great for us, the same way

790
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: that having um who is Michigan's quarterback the last couple

791
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: of years, say Patterson, Yeah, yeah, that was a big

792
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: miss for my people as well. And um, I mean

793
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: this is a year where you know, Stanford is going

794
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: to have two of the top ten players from from

795
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: that class. If you look at that class, the number

796
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: one player according to Rivals N. G. Harris, I believe

797
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: it's still at Alabama is out. Yeah. So, and then

798
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: you go down to the number six player in the

799
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: country Jalen Phillips believe it or not, who went to

800
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: u c l A Miami. Yeah, like semi medically retired

801
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: and now as the University of Miami. Number seven overall

802
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: walker little offensive tackle who is out at Stanford. Number

803
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: eight was Chase Young, who was the number two overall

804
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: pick in last year's NFL draft. And sitting there right

805
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: at number ten was was Davis Mills and uh and

806
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: Foster Sarrell was number fourteen in the country. They had

807
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: three of the top fourteen players in the recruiting class

808
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: and they're all going to be starting on that offense.

809
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: Had won four games last season, right, so now you

810
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: can see why. On last week's podcast, I said, I

811
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: fully believe they're going to average eight more points a

812
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: game than they did last year. I'm going off of

813
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: off of the potential um from their time in the

814
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: class of seventeen and my time, you know, being able

815
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: to watch them potential as a coach. Killer Ralph, don't

816
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: trust him? Um at my number? Yeah? Oh who do

817
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: you have at number five? Davis Mills? I yeah, I

818
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: I expect him to do um some really good things.

819
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: But I think that them not being able to win

820
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: because the defense won't hold up their end of the

821
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: bargain will ultimately be what makes him look like he's

822
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: um not as successful as he could be reasonable because

823
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: like intellectual brutality, for the last two seasons, Stanford hasn't

824
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: been able to run the ball very well, and you

825
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: know it's an antiquated model, like they're trying to run

826
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: the same Jim Harball. I mean, even Jim Harball is

827
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: having to retool his offense. Nick Saban, who one one

828
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: way when he got to he was like, oh, there's

829
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: a better way. And I think that if you don't

830
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: have David Shaw do that he's gonna be He's gonna

831
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: look real bad, real real bad. Um at number five,

832
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: I got your boy, dtr Dorian Thompson Romin said, like

833
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: like I said, his variance is higher than any other

834
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: quarterback in the whole pack twelve. He could go on

835
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: to be a legend or he could just like Ralph said,

836
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: transfer in the middle of the middle of the first game,

837
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: like this could go either way. Hopefully spent his time working, studying,

838
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: getting better and you know, passing his class that U

839
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: c l a so he can stay off Snapchat or

840
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: Instagram whichever. When he posted on UM so yeah, so

841
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: I got him at number five. Who you got a

842
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: number four? Your boy? Chase Garber's the California Golden Bear

843
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: starting quarterback who you swear up and down would have

844
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: been victorious over Arizona State had he not got injured,

845
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: even though they scored more without him than with him

846
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: in that game. Um, but I do think, you know,

847
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: he is an incredibly important player and and could probably

848
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: be ranked higher than fourth, just if you were doing

849
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: this whole thing based off his importance to his team. Um.

850
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, he was somebody who really protected the ball.

851
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: That that was that was really where he stepped up

852
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: the most last year. Was you know, he's quit turning

853
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: the ball over and he was he was making plays.

854
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's somebody who, uh um is tough

855
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: and gritty and already has six hundred forty yards rushing

856
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: in two years. And if they can keep him on

857
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: the field and keep him healthy, um, he might uh

858
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: he he kind of hearkens back to a former Cow

859
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: quarterback UM and Kyle Bowler in the way that he

860
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: he's kind of gritty. You know, might not have as

861
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: big of an arm, but it's kind of a gritty

862
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: performer and and can do some pretty special things. How

863
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: dare you, Ralph? How dare you? How dare you? Because

864
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: if you have Jays Garber was at number four, I

865
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: know who you have the people that you have in

866
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: front of him, unless you ranked a couple of quarterbacks

867
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: from the same schools again and I and we are

868
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: and you already said J. T. Daniels is not on

869
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: your list, So how dare you put Chase guard? You

870
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: have no faith in him? And I am sick of

871
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: you just just down playing this man's talent ability and

872
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: the fact that he was winning games and he had

873
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: turned a corner. Mind you is freshman year, he wasn't ready.

874
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: The wasn't ready. He still played okay, but last year

875
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: he had turned a corner into a guy who could

876
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: actually win the game on his arm. Oh right, I

877
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: can't wait for him to prove you wrong. I got

878
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: him this season, Ralph over like, we're gonna pick the quarterbacks,

879
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna have to do that on

880
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: an episode where we pick our guys, like we each

881
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: get a couple of guys like last year you had

882
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: Jacob Eastan wanted him and and you got him, buddy,

883
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: and that was proven to be what it what it was.

884
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have to choose our guys at number four.

885
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: For me, I got from Oregon out of Tyler Shuck

886
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: sight unseen except for the fact that I've heard really

887
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: good things about him, and also, uh, Oregon has a

888
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: backup playing and I think his name is Anthony Brown,

889
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: the kid who transferred from Boston College. I do believe

890
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: Shug is gonna start. He's big, he's he got a

891
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: little bit of time last year, and he looked good

892
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: against USC even though they were already mopping him up.

893
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: He still came in through a touchdown, managed the game

894
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: like it. He looks like the real deal, and hopefully

895
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: he comes in and shows it. That's why I got

896
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: him at number four, because yes, all right, we got

897
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: questions about Davis Mills, Jake Bentley, Tristan Jeva, everybody behind him.

898
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: We got questions about and Dorian Thompson Robinson. He does

899
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: too many. He does like great things, and then he'll

900
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: do something where you just want to just snatch him

901
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: out of the game, where like he'll do you know,

902
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: like five things that look like, Wow, this dude is

903
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: an upper tier uh pack twelve quarterback. And then he'll

904
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: like bumple the ball off his leg or make a

905
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: questionable interception. You're like, why would you do that? Like,

906
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: why would you throw the ball across your body all

907
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: the way to the other side of the field, across

908
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: the other hash mark. So that's why I got Tyler

909
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: Sug at number four. Okay, um, so this is where

910
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: this is where I'm just gonna shut my mentions off

911
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: on on Twitter. Um. Coming in at number three, I've

912
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: got Jaden Daniels. I think that Jane Daniels is going

913
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: to be one of the all time greats at Arizona State.

914
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: I can't figure him out. I can't compare him to anybody. Um,

915
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: he's he's he is a unicorn of a quarterback. He

916
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: uh he could be playing the ugliest game in the

917
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: in the entire world, and you would never be able

918
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: to tell. Um the Michigan State the fifteen of twenty

919
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: six for a hundred and forty yards no touchdowns, and

920
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: you and I will both point to that game as

921
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: the game where we knew he was going to be special.

922
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: So what do what do you do with him, I

923
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: don't against Cal, against Cal's defense, fourteen of twenty four

924
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy four yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions, and

925
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: he won on the road uh Utah four of eighteen,

926
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: four of eighteen uh for twenty five yards total on

927
00:59:55,240 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: the game and no touchdowns, one interception. And I think

928
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: anybody who watched him play at Utah with two teenagers

929
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and and watched him get hit

930
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: again and again and again and again left that game

931
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, he's tough too, yeah, yeah, so and

932
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: then and then you have the rest of that season

933
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: where he threw nine touchdowns and no interceptions in the

934
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: final five games, but one of which being the Florida

935
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: State Bowl game where he went twelve of twenty eight

936
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: with no Eno Benjamin, no running back on the roster

937
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: that had had any carries. Um, and then they end

938
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: up winning that game. So he's had some good games.

939
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: He always looks cool, calm and collected. What he did

940
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: to Oregon, I think cemented his cemented him all. You've

941
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: seen all these preseason lists come out where he's getting

942
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: all sorts of accolades. Um. There's a lot of ugly

943
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: on here though, that's gonna need to be cleaned up.

944
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: And you and I before we started recording, we're trying

945
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: to figure out if that had to do with the

946
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: off or the fact that, like, he's just comfortable winning ugly,

947
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: He's just comfortable all the time. So, um, you know,

948
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: I think that you could probably get away with putting

949
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: him in number one, but I saw a bunch of

950
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: stuff that definitely needs to be fixed. Yes he protects

951
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: the ball, Yes he picks up yards with his feet.

952
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: Yes he has some big wins, but he's got some

953
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: absolute stinkers on here as well. And he's gonna have

954
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: to make a big leap for me going into year two.

955
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: If he repeats year one in year two, then he'll

956
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: if he has another year of seventeen touchdowns, two interceptions,

957
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: but just a bunch of super ugly games, I don't

958
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: even know how we're supposed to take that. That's some

959
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: people to believe that he's going to be a first

960
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: round pick, And then there's you know, there's other people

961
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: that are in big time waiting semod and I'm somewhere

962
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: in the middle. Yeah, I'm not fully sold, but I

963
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: know there's a lot there. If that if that, If

964
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Like you have to um appreciate a

965
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: guy who wins games, you know, kind of that Tim Tebow.

966
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: All he does is win. He'll find a way to

967
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: lead you to victory. But at the end of the day,

968
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: you need a guy who can pass the football, you know,

969
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: so and he's got to prove that he can not

970
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: just not turn the football over because he did a

971
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: good job of protecting the football because really he finished

972
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: with seventeen touchdowns one interception because the the other one

973
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: was essentially like what was it, like a hell mary

974
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 1: so so seventeen and one, great numbers, Like, fantastic job

975
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: at taking care of the football. But you got to

976
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: get that seventeen closer to thirty. Like that's where the

977
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: elite quarterbacks kind of you know, live, like they're gonna

978
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: live in that thirty thirty two, thirty five, I mean,

979
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: because that's where you have I mean, Anthony Gordon at

980
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: Washington State through forty eight. But that's a unique situation

981
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: when you're running that sort of offense. Keaton Slovis through

982
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: thirty and he missed some time, and Justin Herbert through

983
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: thirty two. So like that's where you're gonna have to

984
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: be if you want to be considered uh an upper

985
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: tier quarterback in the pack twelve and in the country

986
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: at all. So I agree. And the biggest, the biggest knock,

987
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: the biggest knock on Jade Daniels is the one game

988
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: he missed Joey Yellen, who is also a true freshman

989
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: through four touchdowns, yeah, which is not something that that

990
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: that Jade Daniels did last year. He had I think

991
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: four different games or through three touchdowns, and so it

992
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, you know, you even had Arizona

993
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: State fans who were absolutely out of their minds for

994
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: for saying this, but who wanted to stick with yelling

995
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: after that USC games. So some stuff remains to be seen.

996
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: And when you remember that, I said that, it's gonna

997
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: feel super weird when we get to my number two. Yeah.

998
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: So uh And the reason why I like, truthfully, I

999
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: wanted to rank my number four quarterback a little bit higher,

1000
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: but Jane Daniels has time on task, dude, and he's

1001
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: one big big games and you can't discount that. So

1002
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: that's why I got him at number three as well. Um,

1003
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: I think he's earned it. I think that he has

1004
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: earned the benefit of the doubt. You know that we

1005
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything really out of the other quarterbacks. So

1006
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: his last season, even though it wasn't spectacular, it was

1007
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: still special, if that makes sense. And but he's got

1008
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: up his production. Agree with you there. And at number two,

1009
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: who you got Ralph Tyler Shuck Tyler Shuck. Dude will

1010
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: be a red shirt Sode. We're gonna fight you. Every

1011
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: state people are gonna fight you. Okay, I'm fine with it.

1012
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: I know him, I've watched him play, I know his style,

1013
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: I know Oregon style, and all I can say and

1014
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: I'll put my reputation on and and you know, I

1015
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: don't have much one left after you know of you know,

1016
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: I think that I was probably pretty right on on

1017
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: the whole caliltate thing, knowing things would fall apart with

1018
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: that offense and that and and the coaching staff not

1019
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: having faith faith in him. I'll stand by that one.

1020
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: But obviously the Jacob Eason one was you know, didn't

1021
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: look good on me last year. Um, but you know,

1022
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: I think that that had enough to do with you know,

1023
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: University of Washington not really knowing what they were doing

1024
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: as well. So here's what I'll say I have faith

1025
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: in Oregon's coaching staff, and I understand Tyler shucks skill set,

1026
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: and the comparison that I'm gonna make here is James Rhodes.

1027
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: You know who James Rhodes is. He is Don Cheatles

1028
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: character and the Avengers Roadie. Right, So, uh, war Machine

1029
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: is not iron Man. War Machines not iron Man, but

1030
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: it pretty much is. Right, Like, the suit has a

1031
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: bunch of cool stuff. It doesn't have the genius behind it,

1032
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: um but but yeah, but it's the same suit and

1033
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,479
Speaker 1: it can do a lot of the same stuff. And

1034
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: that team, that Oregon team, that's war Machine, right, And

1035
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: I am putting all my chips on the table that

1036
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: that that Tyler Schuck is is James Rhodes, that he

1037
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: is going to be able to pilot that thing and

1038
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: do some serious, serious damage. Will he be first round pick?

1039
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, Not right away? Not right away. But he

1040
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 1: has a very experienced, very talented roster. He's a very

1041
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: good quarterback and he will be just fine. Yeah. And

1042
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: the fact that he's got Tyler Sugar has a lot

1043
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: of great things going for him. The team he's playing

1044
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: for is the biggest thing in terms of their defense

1045
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: returned four draft picks, like kids that were going to

1046
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: the NFL that could have gone and been drafted in

1047
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: the NFL draft. You had Jordan Scott, follow Um, Diamador Lenora,

1048
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: and Thomas Graham, all could have been drafted, all came back.

1049
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: The Really the only piece you really lose out of

1050
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: off the off one of the best defenses in the

1051
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: country is your middle linebacker, and you're gonna possibly replace

1052
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: him with Justin Flow or Panay Sewell's brother. You know, so, uh,

1053
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: you'll be fine, you know what I mean. So if

1054
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: when you have a defense that's going to be elite

1055
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: in front of a young quarterback, you're gonna help him

1056
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: out a lot. I think the schedule is favorable in

1057
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: terms of his maturation with UH North Dakota State first,

1058
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: which is gonna be a very difficult game, and then

1059
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: coming back with Ohio State should set him up for

1060
01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Um At number two, I

1061
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: have the man that I feel like is the the

1062
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: most disrespected quarterback in the pack twelve, which is Chase Garber's.

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01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: He performed admirable, admirably last year in terms of his

1064
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: growth from his freshman year. I am so high on

1065
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: this kid in terms of his ability to lead Cow

1066
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: two wins. Um. Yeah, I don't think they're gonna win

1067
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve North. But this is a kid who's

1068
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: going to find himself either this year or the next

1069
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: year as a very high NFL pick at quarterback. I

1070
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: firmly believe that that's the train, that's the hell I'm

1071
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna die on with Chase Garber's ralph Okay, I mean,

1072
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: is he going to have more than you know, Nico

1073
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: Ramiggio to to throw to it? And then if he doesn't,

1074
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: then that that's just it will be Matt Ryan at

1075
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: Boston College. That's what we'll be looking at. Yeah, I

1076
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: mean that was that was a hell of a year

1077
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: his last year. So I think that he's gonna need

1078
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: a little more time. But I see where you're coming from,

1079
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 1: and and that you know, you're all in on him,

1080
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: so you know you have more. You're calling me out

1081
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: for putting him at number four when that's pretty freaking good,

1082
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: and that's that just shows you how much you like him.

1083
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: Yoh yeah, yeah for sure. And and the number one

1084
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: quarterback was pretty easy for the both of us. It

1085
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: was obvious, it was clear cut. It was it was

1086
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 1: like there was number one and then like a couple

1087
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: of pegs down and then you get to everybody else.

1088
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: Would you agree, Oh? Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, Like he took

1089
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: a guy's job so bad and and so J T.

1090
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 1: Daniels looked like a potential four year starter at USC.

1091
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: He comes in, takes j T. Daniels job, took it

1092
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: and cemented the job so far that J T. Daniels

1093
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: was like, I can't even compete for my job. I'm

1094
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to transfer. Like that's how dominant Keaton

1095
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: Slovis was last year. There's no question who the starting

1096
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: quarterback is. Despite some maniacs saying otherwise on on social

1097
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: media and on podcasts, do not believe it. Keaton Slovis

1098
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback in the Pac twelve and he

1099
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: there's no chance, aside from injury, that he's not starting

1100
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: for USC. In the fall, he had I mean, he

1101
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 1: didn't have the worst game in the world against Oregon,

1102
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,560
Speaker 1: but he got beat up, right, they got outclassed um

1103
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: and then he had to throw and then he was

1104
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: turning he was turning the ball over. Uh. The way

1105
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: that he rebounded from that Oregon loss is and mind you,

1106
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: the kid's a freshman is absurd. Twenty nine of thirty

1107
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 1: nine fourty two yards, four touchdowns at or at Arizona State,

1108
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: a school that did not offer him a scholarship. Twenty

1109
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: nine of thirty five four hundred and six yards, four touchdowns,

1110
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: no interceptions at Cal. Three defensive backs picked in the

1111
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft. I'm remembering greg Ley h thirty

1112
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,959
Speaker 1: seven forty seven five d and fifteen yards, four touchdowns,

1113
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 1: no interceptions against rival U C. L A and then

1114
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: against Iowa, and everybody just remembers Iowa beating the hell

1115
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: out of out of USC. But he went twenty two

1116
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: of thirty for two hundred sixty yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions,

1117
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: and over that four games he completed about seventy eight

1118
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: percent of his passes. Dude as a savage, dude. He

1119
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: had a remarkable year and he missed games like. That's

1120
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: the crazy part about it is that people don't like

1121
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,919
Speaker 1: when when they look at his season like it was nice,

1122
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: he also missed games like That's the crazy part about it.

1123
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: In his first ever college start, completion three seven yards,

1124
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, no interceptions, against Stanford, Yeah, phenomenal, phenomenal, And

1125
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: if you look at you know, like that a s

1126
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: U cow U c l a stretch twelve touchdowns, one

1127
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: pick almost like like almost fifteen hundred yards Like that

1128
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: was insane. And even against Iowa, where the team played atrocious,

1129
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: still to sixty two in two touchdowns, no interceptions, still

1130
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: had a like you can never say his team lost

1131
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: because of because of him. I mean that that Uh

1132
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: that b y U game was. I think they tried

1133
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: to protect him too much as a young quarterback can.

1134
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,839
Speaker 1: Didn't just let him sit back there and sling it around.

1135
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, this kid is on fire and we like him. Um,

1136
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: next to last thing that we got up besides the

1137
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: tweet that Ralph has been alluding to that I'm wondering

1138
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: what the hell he's talking about. So we did that.

1139
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: We did it all fair, so I gotta bring it up.

1140
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: I have tagged you in something on Twitter that I'm

1141
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: not letting you look at until we finish this podcast

1142
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: so that you can react to it live as we're

1143
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: recording it. So uh yeah, just so people understand what

1144
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah. So yeah, and I'm wondering. I'm

1145
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: not gonna look a promise, but I want to get

1146
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: to the end so I can find this out. This

1147
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: this better be good, Ralph. Um. The coaches, the coaches

1148
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: that have the most riding on the season, the coaches

1149
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: that where I mean for for different reasons. People have

1150
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: different reasons why they you know, why this season is

1151
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: important to them, not to the schools, but for the

1152
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: individual coaches. Um, I I have five guys and I'll start,

1153
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: then you can go, Ralph. The first guy I have,

1154
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: which is a layup, which is obvious, it's Clay Hilton.

1155
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: Clay Helton has the biggest has the biggest. Uh, Like

1156
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: this season is super important for him. He at USC,

1157
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: he's already on the hot seat. Number one. Recruiting had

1158
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: been an issue. He's had a couple of things go

1159
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: his way. If he's banking on the Tod Orlando higher Um,

1160
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: he needs Graham Harold to continue to come through, but

1161
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: not so good that he takes his job. He's got

1162
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, receivers, there's no excuse for losing. But

1163
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna lose the Alabama game. You know, Like he's

1164
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: in a weird spot, like they want him to keep

1165
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 1: his job, but he is definitely on the hot seat

1166
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: in this season is so important for him, Ralph, I

1167
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: don't even have him in my top five. I don't

1168
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: need to give you a headache or anything. But I

1169
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: don't know's made my head explode. It's uh irreparable. It's irreparable.

1170
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: You think it's irreparable. They're trying their Carol folks at

1171
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: the new president is doing everything possible, and Mike Bone

1172
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 1: the new a D they're doing everything possible to keep him.

1173
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: The the pandemic is trying to keep him like he's

1174
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: on the hot seat, Like, how can it be irreparable

1175
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: when all the fans want him fired and everybody is

1176
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: but everybody in the administration is doing everything to keep

1177
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: him again, it is it is unanimous outside of the

1178
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: people who are responsible for him being there, it is

1179
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: unanimous that this is irrevocable, like it's it's ruined. They

1180
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: do not want him to be the head coach. If

1181
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: they win anything, if they do anything good, every single

1182
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: fan of this team is going to give all of

1183
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: the credit to Graham Harrold or Dante Williams or anybody

1184
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: other than Clay Hilton. It's gonna be like the Dennis

1185
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: ericson championships at University of Miami. People only ever talk

1186
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: about Jimmy Johnson and Dennis one too. He won two

1187
01:16:54,520 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 1: of them, right, So it I just it doesn't matter.

1188
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what they do. It's not going to

1189
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: impact his standing with the fan base. So you don't

1190
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: think the PAC twelve Championship could would would change anything. No, No,

1191
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's that's the expectation. Mm hmm okay, yeah,

1192
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: that that's then it will be like, well, he did

1193
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do. Good job, Tyed Orlando,

1194
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: He actually hired some good people. Yeah. Yeah, that people

1195
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: will be like, yeah, we want Todd Orlando to take over,

1196
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: we want Graham Harold to take over. You know, they're

1197
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: not gonna they're What they're going to point to is

1198
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: the fact that of like what it was when he

1199
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: was not putting someone in place too, you know. Or

1200
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 1: either they'll still say like, oh, well, you know he

1201
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: hung out on the Clancy Pentergast for too long. Yeah,

1202
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: oh whatever else, and USC's recruiting class better finished coming

1203
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 1: together and better not fall up fall apart. Like that's

1204
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: the thing about it is that they better keep this

1205
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: recruiting glass together otherwise because it's it's one of those

1206
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: things where it feels like it's held together very very loosely.

1207
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: My my number one, on the other hand, is somebody

1208
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: who has massive expectations that it will be a huge

1209
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,799
Speaker 1: letdown if they do anything other than meet those especially

1210
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: in your eyes, and that's Justin wilcox That's my number one,

1211
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: because you have hyped a living crap out of them,

1212
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: out of this Cal team for two years, and it's

1213
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: about time they make a move in in the pack

1214
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: twelve North. It's about time they challenge and not just compete.

1215
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: They were going to challenge last year, Ralph if if

1216
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 1: Slovan's I mean, if Garbers didn't get get hurt, like

1217
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: I think that this year is gonna be tougher for them,

1218
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: and and well that but there's not I mean, if

1219
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: Garbage goes down this year, they're gonna have to have

1220
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: some type of backup plan. They made a move at

1221
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, They're having to replace several very good defensive players.

1222
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: This a big year for Justin Wilcoxson. Whether or not

1223
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: Cal has staining power, Okay, okay, that is a reasonable thing.

1224
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: So I had Clay Helton at one, uh, the next guy,

1225
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: I could have put him at number one and that's

1226
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: David Shaw. David Shaw is I mean, okay, you could

1227
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: have pen Since he's been the head coach at Stanford,

1228
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: they had been to until last year, they had been

1229
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: to a bowl game every single season. They have won

1230
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, Sun Bowl, Sun Bowl, lost the Alamo Bowl,

1231
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: won the Foster Farms Bowl. Like they were eleven wins,

1232
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: eight twelve, ten, nine, nine, Like you could pencil the

1233
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: dude them for nine wins a year and then he

1234
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: comes up with a four win season and back to

1235
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: back years. They can't run the football with Bryce Love

1236
01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: who almost I mean, ran out of the stadium every

1237
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: play his junior year. Couldn't get him going as a

1238
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: senior last year. Got nothing going on the ground. Intellectual

1239
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: brutality is supposed to work no matter what. It's broken.

1240
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,759
Speaker 1: It is antiquated, as I've said already. And David Shardon

1241
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: has to prove he's a great coach by modifying the

1242
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: way that he runs his offense. Otherwise he's gonna be

1243
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: a dinosaur and Stanford I predict him to miss of it.

1244
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: I think I had him miss in a bowl game

1245
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: again this year. Actually, I have Stanford at you guys

1246
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: to listen to the last podcast where we did the

1247
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: win totals. I gotta go into five and five and

1248
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: seven next year and missing a bowl game, Ralph. So yes,

1249
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: this is important for David Shaw because he's gonna find

1250
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: himself on the hot seat. A four win season followed

1251
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: up by five win season, not not not not even

1252
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,759
Speaker 1: at Stanford. But he that's not gonna work. My number

1253
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 1: two is Chip Kelly, and maybe it's that's just pressure

1254
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,879
Speaker 1: that I you know, put on him, but his shine

1255
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: from his University of Oregon days has worn off completely.

1256
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: He's back into the position of having to earn any

1257
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: reputation that he has, you know, because things didn't work

1258
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: out the way he wanted them to in Philadelphia, things

1259
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: didn't work out the way that he wanted them to

1260
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and so far at u c l A.

1261
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: It has not been a success. So you know, this

1262
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: is a huge, huge, huge year for him. Can he

1263
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, can he manage the personality of his quarterback

1264
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: whose dad has called him out, you know, publicly, and

1265
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: and you know who has bashed the school on on

1266
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: social media? Can they can they get These are kind

1267
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: of guy recruits, you know, instead of the mega high

1268
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: star rated guys that Jim Morra Jr. Was bringing in.

1269
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Speaker 1: You know, can can they get the absolute most out

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Speaker 1: of them? Can they take advantage of the fact that

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01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: the PacTel South is down and really make a run

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01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: for it? Um? You know, I think this is this

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01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: is an incredibly important year for chip Kelly. Um, maybe

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01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: not necessarily employment wise, because I think he's in a

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01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,480
Speaker 1: position where he can kind of hold the school hostage

1276
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: financially because you know, they don't really have the money

1277
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: to go buy anybody out right now. Um yeah, they're

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01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: already running into at a deficit. Yeah, so, uh, I

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01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: don't know. This is this is a huge, huge year

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Speaker 1: for chip Kelly for his reputation because you know, I

1281
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: think that if he flames out at U c l A,

1282
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: then the narrative on him is going to be that

1283
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: he had a good thing sort of left to him

1284
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: at Oregon. He was able to make it run anything

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01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: on his own. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, And that's

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Speaker 1: why I got chip Kelly at my number three. Has

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Speaker 1: he either melded in or did the shine get completely

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01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: knocked off? Like he was considered an offensive genius at

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: at Oregon, and truthfully, he revolutionized the way the college

1290
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: football was played with the speed, the tempo, the way

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01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: some of the blocks and the passes and all the like.

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01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: His offense revolutionized college football. But the question is with

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01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: so many people that do uh elements of that now?

1294
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: Can he modify? Can't can't he pivot? You know, in

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01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: business they always talk about pivoting, that your business has

1296
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: to pivot every every so often to remain a top

1297
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: tier business. Like if you are you know, HP, do

1298
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: you get out of the computer business? Do you stay

1299
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: in the computer business, or you're in the software business?

1300
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: You know, like all of those things. If you are whatever,

1301
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,959
Speaker 1: whatever company, then you change from one thing to another

1302
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: because that's the best thing for your company and that's

1303
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: the same thing it Chip Kelly. Can he do that? So?

1304
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: I think that this is a huge year. They've had

1305
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of transfers, people questioning his coaching ability. He

1306
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: can regain all that this year and Bates fund the

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01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: last podcast I'm going to eight, eight and four Ralph Um, Yeah,

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01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: so that's who I have at my number three? Who

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01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: do you have, Mario crystal Ball? Just because the expectations

1310
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: no other reason, they're just they're huge. They're enormous. Um

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01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 1: that he either competes. Uh, it's if they don't want

1312
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: to Pack twelve championship this year, it's it's gonna look bad,

1313
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, which is wild considering he's gonna have

1314
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Speaker 1: a quarterback who's never you know, played in in that

1315
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: offense or in that stadium before. So um, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: the expectations are huge. Oh yeah, yeah, it is Packed

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Speaker 1: twelve championship or bust, because if you don't win a

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve championship, you underachieved. For Mark, for Mario curR

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01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 1: stoball this year, um, and actually had him at my

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Speaker 1: number five because even though I just skipped skipped around

1321
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: there because we already mentioned him, I had him a

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Speaker 1: number five, but because of money, because he's in a

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01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: situation to where he's making like two and a half

1324
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: a year, got us seven fifty thou dollar bonus last

1325
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: year for all the games he won and all of that, academics,

1326
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: all of that, but he's still on the lower end

1327
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: of of head coaches paid. And if it weren't for

1328
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic, he would probably already have a new huge

1329
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: contract making five plus million dollars a year. So I

1330
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: think that this year is gonna be huge for him

1331
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: in getting a big pay raise, because I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can announce that sort of a huge contract with

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01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: uh not fans in the stands COVID all that and

1334
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: coming into the next season because he'll be willing to

1335
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: wait that out because he's a company man. And then

1336
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 1: that if he performs now that price tag just went up,

1337
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the six seven million dollar range

1338
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: if he will somewhere between five and seven million dollars,

1339
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: especially if he wins the Back twelve again or gets

1340
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 1: to the College Football Playoff like he's gonna cost a mint.

1341
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: So it's an important season for him in that way.

1342
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Speaker 1: Who do you have that your number four? Ralph Kevin? Someone?

1343
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: Can you guess why? Oh? I didn't even put him

1344
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 1: on my list because I think that what's the word

1345
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: that you used for Clay helton situation at at USC irreparable? Irreparable?

1346
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I think that it is irreparable at Arizona. But but

1347
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: why did you have given something on has less to

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01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: do with his relationship to the city of Tucson and

1349
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: more to do with just his legacy in general. Did

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01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: you know that it has been eight years since he

1351
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:09,879
Speaker 1: had a winning record in conference. Johnny Manzio eight years

1352
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: since he had a winning record in conference. That is unbelievable.

1353
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 1: And Houston, you know, which he had a couple of

1354
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: really good seasons with, was fine after he left. They

1355
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: had a thirteen in one year under Tom Herman, and uh,

1356
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 1: Texas A and m has been at the same level

1357
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: or better arguably yeah, um, same, pretty pretty much same.

1358
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: They at least had a winning record in conference and

1359
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: two oh even even though they still only won eight

1360
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: or nine games. So you you're kind of getting to

1361
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: the point where you're like, what has he what's he done? Right? Like,

1362
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: what what did he do? He was recruiting at a

1363
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: very high level at Texas A and m Um, but

1364
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: you get to the point where you're just like why,

1365
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: what what was going on here? And who did he have?

1366
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: You know, you you start to you start to ask

1367
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: yourself like, Okay, who did he have at University of

1368
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 1: Houston that was helping him succeed at such a high level.

1369
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Speaker 1: Do you know who his offensive coordinator was at Houston?

1370
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Tom Herman? It was Cliff Kingsbury. Are you serious? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury was was his co offensive coordinator. Um, he

1372
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: had let's see, Um, I mean Tony Levine who took

1373
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Speaker 1: over as the head coach of Houston for three years,

1374
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 1: um as after he left on on his staff. Um

1375
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 1: and uh, his I mean his his d C was okay.

1376
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,719
Speaker 1: He went on to be the defensive coordinator at Maryland

1377
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: for for three seasons. But it's just kind of hard

1378
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: to figure out what was the magic sauce that was

1379
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: making it work when he was at Houston. Yeah. Yeah,

1380
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: and he he did, he had he had case Keenumile.

1381
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: He's at Houston. He's had lots of good quarterbacks at

1382
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Texas A and M. He's chased off a lot of

1383
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks too. I think it's fair to say that

1384
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 1: his reputation is officially someone who cannot get the most

1385
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: out of his quarterback talent and somebody who cannot win

1386
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: because you're you're talking seven consecutive years of not having

1387
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: a winning record. If you do it once, it's an accident.

1388
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: You do it twice, you can do it. Yeah, And

1389
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: so this is this is big for him personally, maybe

1390
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 1: not so much his standing, but I just don't see,

1391
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, what would be left for him out there.

1392
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't really strike me as the type of guy

1393
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: who could be a head coach for ten twelve years

1394
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: in a row and then turn around to be a

1395
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: coordinator or a position. No, no, no, he'll be He'll

1396
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:12,440
Speaker 1: get a job at like if it gets fired from Arizona,

1397
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: he'll be you know, maybe it'll be time for Houston

1398
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: to reach back out or something like that. Yeah, yeah,

1399
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: or you know, like like he'll he'll be at a

1400
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: conference USA at Well or the A A C, the

1401
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: the American, like that's where he'll resurface next the American.

1402
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Because this this is broken, Ralph, Like he's not gonna

1403
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: have a winning record in conference this year either, it's

1404
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: not happening. So like he's not even gonna have a

1405
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: winning record, so you might as well forget about that

1406
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 1: like that. That's why I said it can't be fixed.

1407
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: There's nothing he can do this season that's gonna give

1408
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: anybody any hope because they're not gonna go to a

1409
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: ball game. That's why I had Grant ganell so Lo

1410
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: on the list just because of the reasons that you

1411
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 1: just announced. And my number four UH coach is Jimmy Lake.

1412
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I saw a comparison the other day. People asked, is

1413
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 1: he Mark Helfridge, and I was like, wow, Wow, that's

1414
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: interesting because he's an our kind of guy recruiter, you know,

1415
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: a good a good coordinator taking over for a really

1416
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: accomplished head coach. Healforst took over for Ship Kelly, and

1417
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: now you've got Jimmy Lake taking over the keys from

1418
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson. Two very successful head coaches turned it over

1419
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: to coordinators. Mark Helfrid's crashed the car. Even though I

1420
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: like him as a person and I think he would

1421
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: be better as a head coach now because he's had

1422
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 1: more experience, I just think it was just too much

1423
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: at that time, too much, too soon, and and that's

1424
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: the same thing that I wonder about Jimmy Lake. So

1425
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: I think that this season is very crucial for him.

1426
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: Washington defense was um last year. Was young. They were

1427
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: still pretty solid, but they were young, and a lot

1428
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: of their lack of success got blamed on that. And

1429
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 1: then the offense was just putriot. So he had to

1430
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: make a good hire on the offensive side. So now

1431
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: it's all on him if the offense isn't fixed, and

1432
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 1: also the defense is not playing well or up to par.

1433
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: So this season is crucial for Jimmy, Like and that

1434
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: rounds out my top five. My number five is Jimmy Lake.

1435
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: And it's very simple. If they don't have a good year,

1436
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 1: then Washington fans are going to start to get that

1437
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 1: whole thing of like, hey, we didn't get a choice

1438
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: in this. We we we didn't get to go look

1439
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: for a coach who might have been the best fit.

1440
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: This whole thing was sort of hoisted upon us, right. Um,

1441
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Lake was the right pick. I think

1442
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 1: that the institution is in good hands. But so much

1443
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: of this is dependent on his ability to manage personnel.

1444
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: He let a lot of coaches go, he really were,

1445
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: He went out on a limit. He made that staff

1446
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: his own. You know, Jordan's po. PO was a guy

1447
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: who recruited Arizona quite a bit that I had heard

1448
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 1: from quite a bit, you know out here, you know,

1449
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 1: trying to get players, and he got rid of the

1450
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: guys that he didn't think we're good enough recruiters, and

1451
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: he went out and got some guys that he believes

1452
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: will help make this offense good. And that well, he

1453
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of time where he was the

1454
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 1: one actually calling the defense either. So it's really gonna

1455
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 1: come down to whether or not, how how he manages

1456
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: a room, how he coaches off the field, is going

1457
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: to be as important as anything else that he does. Uh,

1458
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 1: And I just the thing with him is, if it

1459
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: doesn't go well right out of the gate, I think

1460
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: you'll just have a bunch of Washington fans saying, hey,

1461
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: why didn't we look for the best candidate? Which I

1462
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: hate because I personally feel like, you know, he probably

1463
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: was um for for what they're trying to do. But yeah,

1464
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: I know it's very important. It's just an important year

1465
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: and he was able to keep a recruiting class together

1466
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah, Like this is big on on him,

1467
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: Like he's got to like anything that happens or doesn't

1468
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: happen this year. He can't blame on Chris Peterson. It's

1469
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 1: on him. Who's your number five? Oh? I already said

1470
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: it was Mario Mario Cristo Baal. That's who I had

1471
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 1: a Helton Shaw, Chip Kelly, Jimmy like and Mario Cristo Baal. Alright,

1472
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: So are you ready to finish this podcast out by

1473
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: logging onto your Twitter and seeing what I tagged you in? Yes? Okay,

1474
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: let me go to my Twitter as we speak. Oh,

1475
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: my god, I have seven team No. A hundred and

1476
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: seventeen mentions right right now, what's going on? Ignore the

1477
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: fact that the first two words are sports Illustrated I'm

1478
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 1: an idiot, and replace Sports Illustrated with Yahoo. And go

1479
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: ahead and and and read the read the tweet, and

1480
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: then read the corresponding emails the tweet. I'll just say.

1481
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: Yahoo's Peter Thamil unearthed these emails between Arizona State basketball

1482
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: head coach Bobby Hurley and athletic director Ray Anderson surrounding

1483
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: the conflict regarding a issue booster bart Ware's treatment of women,

1484
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: including Hurley's wife. Oh god, um, Ray Anderson says, Bobby, clearly,

1485
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: you have made judgments and conclusions not to mention false

1486
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: and baseless allegations. Your approach here is puzzling. This matter

1487
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: now should be firmly put in the hands of the lawyers.

1488
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: I will not engage with you directly on the redacted matters,

1489
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 1: Um Kim DEMARCHI are legal counseling council handling the redacted

1490
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: matters is copied here. Have your council called her. You

1491
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: and I will now limit our engagement to the men's

1492
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 1: basketball program with Ken Lampfire and Gene Boyd as the

1493
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 1: primary administrators. We will still meet later this week on

1494
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: the prior program matters. We are still scheduled to discuss

1495
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Ken confirmed the meeting time. Please Ray, this is oh

1496
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: my god, this is not that long ago. This is

1497
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 1: December eight, twenty nineteen. Okay. Next email from Robert Hurley,

1498
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley, bunch of people see Seed, including Ray Anderson,

1499
01:36:52,400 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: Michael Crow, Barry Mitchell, and couple of people who are redacted.

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01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: This is how we operate. Where do I start? Regarding

1501
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 1: our phone conversation last night? I thought there would be

1502
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 1: more sensitivity and consideration to all the victims involved relative

1503
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: to Blanks attendant at our basketball games. His I'm assuming

1504
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: that this is where right. His ticket location made him

1505
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: a highly visible presence for someone that has that has

1506
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:34,560
Speaker 1: assaulted multiple wives of employees of Arizona State University. You

1507
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: had prior knowledge that he was going to be an attendance,

1508
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: and that was very disappointing, mainly because you made no

1509
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: effort to make me aware of that, especially after you

1510
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 1: came to practice on Thursday and assured me that that

1511
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: he would no longer be around men's basketball. This was

1512
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 1: very misleading, and I feel I've been lied to. I'm

1513
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: getting tired of you continuing to mention the redacted something

1514
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 1: as it relates to the current situation. My main concerns

1515
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 1: are the health, well being, safety and security of Blank

1516
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: in Blank as relates to the events surrounding a s

1517
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: U athletics It is your choice if you continue to

1518
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: minimize redacted suffering throughout this ordeal. You have disregarded the

1519
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: safety and shown no sensitivity towards the women that have

1520
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: experienced sexual assault. You have chosen to create your own

1521
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 1: numerical scale on what sexual assault means. Which is disturbing?

1522
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: Which is disturbing? Maybe in your words, the sexual assault

1523
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: committed by Blank was a two or three, But if

1524
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 1: this happened to Buffy or Kimmy, would it still be

1525
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: a level two or three? Uh? This is uh, this

1526
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 1: is bad very, This is like nuclear bad. Yeah. Wow,

1527
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:16,719
Speaker 1: somebody's getting fired. Good lord. There has been so much

1528
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 1: negative news surrounding the higher up structure of Arizona State lately,

1529
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot of which is directly related to this Mooster situation.

1530
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 1: Who um previous reports with that Ray Anderson was close

1531
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: with him. They flew on the same plane um, and

1532
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: the rumors, you know, it had gotten out there that

1533
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 1: one of the women involved was Bobby Hurley's wife, but

1534
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: you didn't really know how things were being handled behind

1535
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes. And it looks like Pete Damil

1536
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 1: maybe did ah records request and you know schools are

1537
01:39:55,560 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: are required to comply. Somebody tipped him off, he did

1538
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 1: a record request. Oh my god, Oh my god. This

1539
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,520
Speaker 1: is a yeah, it's a lot. And and this originally

1540
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out when this originally surfaced, because UM,

1541
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it was, let's see February. In February,

1542
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: UM is when all the news broke that that former

1543
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 1: Arizona State employee David Cohen filed a legal claim that

1544
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: the university fired him after he insisted that a booster

1545
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: be investigated, um for sexual assault. So there's already an

1546
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: ongoing lawsuit. UM, which makes me wonder if if if

1547
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 1: Dave Cohen, who was close to Bobby Hurley, is the

1548
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 1: one who possibly tipped off Pete Famile, that there's these

1549
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: emails that exist. UM. Yeah, so the let me see,

1550
01:40:55,400 --> 01:41:02,600
Speaker 1: the original story was UM that all this happened in

1551
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: August of nineteen, that that bart Ware had grabbed one

1552
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: of the victim's breast and a SU investigated it and

1553
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 1: said that it was untrue, um and said it was

1554
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 1: a semantics thing. Uh yeah, so um yeah, so in

1555
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: it initially felt like maybe a SU was trying to

1556
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:30,639
Speaker 1: push back against it, and so it was bad news

1557
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: back in February, but then the pandemic hit and it

1558
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: kind of got swallowed up. And not a lot of

1559
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: people have been mentioning it lately. But I had heard

1560
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 1: that that Bobby Hurley and Ray Anderson were at odds

1561
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 1: a little bit um and this is, uh, this is

1562
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: obviously more proof of that. And I don't know if

1563
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 1: I've ever seen anything like this before. Where where you

1564
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 1: have where where where you have emails between a coach

1565
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: and athletic director just out there for consumption. Oh man,

1566
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: grow like they clearly have no relationship. I have no

1567
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:11,799
Speaker 1: positive relationship going on, Like this is it isn't okay.

1568
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 1: Remember at the end of the basketball season they started

1569
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: being rumors swirling around about Bobby Hurley leaving Arizona State. Yeah,

1570
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: I bet this has something to do with it. Would

1571
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: you imagine that? Sure? I mean, it's his wife, man,

1572
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 1: I know not everybody prioritizes their family in the way

1573
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe you you or I do. Um.

1574
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast today where Kevin Hurt

1575
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 1: was talking about how the pandemic made him realized that

1576
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 1: he was married to his career and dating his family.

1577
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: I don't think Bobby Hurley is one of those guys. Oh.

1578
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:58,799
Speaker 1: By this email, it clearly looks that he is taking

1579
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: this very seriously, regardless of whether he's just an advocate

1580
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 1: for people in general or whether this just touched his

1581
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:13,560
Speaker 1: bedroom and it's got to get fixed. Yeah. Wow, So

1582
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: what do you see the I mean, I mean, obviously

1583
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: is still early and all that, but what do you

1584
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 1: think the uh, the results of this is gonna be?

1585
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 1: Is somebody in it up fired? Is this an investigation?

1586
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: Because the Arizona States the university looks bad either way

1587
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 1: right here? Right? Yeah? I think uh. I think my

1588
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: initial reaction is that this is a very serious thing

1589
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 1: and that if your superior backed his friend, um who

1590
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: you believe assaulted your spouse, um, that's that's something that

1591
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: permanent damage is going to be done. Right, And so

1592
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 1: in a Bobby Hurley is is making the accusation and

1593
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: these emails that Ray Anderson described what he's calling a

1594
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 1: sexual assault as a two or a three. How do

1595
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: you get past something like that? Oh? Yeah, yeah, if

1596
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean I, I, you and I aren't really in

1597
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 1: situations where we have boss UM, but I can't. I

1598
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 1: can imagine if if you know, somebody who was hanging

1599
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 1: out with my boss all the time, UM made a

1600
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: move on my wife, made physical contact with her, and

1601
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:36,600
Speaker 1: I brought I brought it up as a concern, and

1602
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: multiple people brought it up as a concern, and the

1603
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: reaction from your boss was like, well, it wasn't that bad,

1604
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: was it, um? And then continue to hang out with him,

1605
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 1: and you contended to see that guy around. I think

1606
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 1: that would paint a picture of what you felt like

1607
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: your value was as compared to that relationship. It's very simple.

1608
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: There's no it's there's no it's people say, oh he said,

1609
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: she said gray area not for not When your perception

1610
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: is your reality, there's no gray area there. Yep, oh yeah, yeah.

1611
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 1: The most powerful words in the English language right now

1612
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 1: in the United States are I feel uncomfortable. And if

1613
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: your wife feels like that she was violated in any way,

1614
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: and it's minimized as a two or three. I mean

1615
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: that that's one of those things. Is okay? Is good

1616
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 1: good enough? When better is expected? Like, is it is

1617
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 1: a two or three acceptable? Or is that like you know,

1618
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: like it would be different if he said, oh, no,

1619
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 1: it's a it's was misunderstanding something something. But if you

1620
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 1: say it's a two or three, that means that to

1621
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 1: to somebody else, your two or three could be a

1622
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 1: seven or eight. So it's like it looks like you're

1623
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 1: minimizing it. I just don't know how. I just don't

1624
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:05,720
Speaker 1: know how this ends. Well when you're trying to minimize

1625
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:10,560
Speaker 1: how somebody else feels and a two or three, like

1626
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 1: you're like, is the two or three acceptable to Ralph? No? No,

1627
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: But you know this the whole thing if him and

1628
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: Ray Anderson really are friends, you see the lengths that

1629
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 1: Ray Anderson would go for a friend. Right. He hired

1630
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 1: his friend and his former client to be the head

1631
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: coach of the football team, to replace a seven win

1632
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 1: coach with a coach who has come hadn't coached in

1633
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: nine years and has come in and had back to

1634
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: back seven win seasons. Yeah, so you know, I think

1635
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Ray Anderson has a lot of power, a lot of

1636
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 1: power he has made changes at in almost everything, single

1637
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 1: athletics department, multiple changes in some UM all through our

1638
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:05,680
Speaker 1: the um, the university. He has gotten rid of of

1639
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:09,599
Speaker 1: different UM coaching staffs, and the only one that he's

1640
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 1: sort of clung to is the baseball coach. His baseball hire.

1641
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 1: People have been calling for a firing there for years

1642
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 1: and he's just sort of ignored the noise. But he's

1643
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 1: made changes everywhere else. And um, you know, Bobby Hurley

1644
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 1: was sort of his prize horse, the proof in the

1645
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 1: pudding that that that he can do this job. Well,

1646
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, um, and this good now, and it's not

1647
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean maybe in maybe in two thousand four, but

1648
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 1: in a story like this is as toxic as it

1649
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 1: possibly gets. You know. The only thing, um, maybe on

1650
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:58,840
Speaker 1: the level of you know, somebody who doesn't respect the

1651
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 1: the the sovereignty of a of a of a woman's body,

1652
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 1: her ability to make her own decisions in her own agency,

1653
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 1: as somebody who enables it. So yeah, I don't know,

1654
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 1: this is a Things are not great right now at

1655
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Arizona State University. Oh, this is definitely not what I

1656
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 1: expected when when you told me that this was gonna

1657
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 1: when a tweet like I thought somebody had retired, gotten fired,

1658
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:33,560
Speaker 1: got arrested, like I thought they were gonna be you know,

1659
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, picks of of a naked

1660
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 1: Mario Cristo Baal or something. I don't know. I just

1661
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 1: didn't expect this. Good God, this is bad. Yeah, but

1662
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Bobby Hurley made a coaching move today bringing

1663
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: back Anthony Coleman, who was who I think you would

1664
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:55,400
Speaker 1: think this is pretty interesting, George. Anthony Coleman was formerly

1665
01:48:55,560 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 1: high up in Adidas. And when this whole Adidas scandal broke, Uh,

1666
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,879
Speaker 1: Anthony Coleman resigned at Arizona State and went to Colorado

1667
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 1: for a year. And now all of a sudden, he's back.

1668
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 1: So Bobby Hurley spent his day making a higher So

1669
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't really sound like he's, you know, on his

1670
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: way out or anything like that, does it. Wait? Wait,

1671
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 1: so so we said again, Um, Bobby Hurley hired back

1672
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: a former assistant, Anthony cole who was um who had

1673
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: left Arizona State amid questions about his association with Adidas.

1674
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people with Adidas had gotten

1675
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 1: in trouble, and Anthony Coleman was very high up, very

1676
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 1: high up in Adidas UM and so you know he uh,

1677
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:55,680
Speaker 1: he had left to go to Colorado for a year,

1678
01:49:55,720 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: and Bobby Hurley hired him back this morning. So if

1679
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley is making coaching moves, maybe he's not on

1680
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,599
Speaker 1: his way out. But maybe this go in public doesn't help,

1681
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. I think that with

1682
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 1: the exposure of these emails that you could see a

1683
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 1: move being made, whether it's Ray Anderson, whether it's Bobby Hurley.

1684
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: I think for Arizona State, probably the best solution to

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Speaker 1: this is two part ways. I mean, it could it

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Speaker 1: could could be right the way Ray Anderson the way

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get fired. And people know that Bobby Hurley

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Speaker 1: is essentially a free agent, So you may have a

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Speaker 1: situation where the school is like, don't worry about this

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Speaker 1: buy out whatever, you know what I mean, Like, there

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Speaker 1: are a bunch of ways to to fix this situation

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Speaker 1: for people. But but remember and Ray Anderson's email. He

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Speaker 1: talks about lawyers, talking about lawyers, like you talk to

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Speaker 1: your lawyer, have him talked to the school's lawyer, all

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Speaker 1: of that stuff. So when you have litigation from a

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Speaker 1: coach to the university or athletic department. That's not good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't know how that works. Yep, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I I don't know. I just uh, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to uh see how you felt about all of this,

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Speaker 1: just as your first reaction, and I think I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. It's just not good. Yeah, I agree with

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Speaker 1: you there, Ralph. But we will see what goes on

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Speaker 1: with that. We'll see if we actually make it to

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Speaker 1: the June fifteenth date, we will see that the quarterback

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Speaker 1: rankings were spot on by by by me and Ralph's

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Speaker 1: were close. Um the dress rehearsal. Hopefully the Back twelve

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Speaker 1: implements that the way somebody doesn't leave their house two

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Speaker 1: and a half hours before a game that only takes

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Speaker 1: some forty five minutes to get to and get stared

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Speaker 1: during the third quarter like Ralph dead. Um. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. Thank you guys for listening to the Pack

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Speaker 1: twelve apostles. Uh make sure you guys share with a friend,

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Speaker 1: will get back to you as usual. Peace out, catch

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