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Speaker 1: that smiling face. We'll spoil the mystery for everyone. Fancy

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Speaker 1: Hey Good is here with us today. Hi Fancy. Hi.

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Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know, Fancy is

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Speaker 1: an amazing singer songwriter in Nashville that Chip and I

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Speaker 1: And we were just talking about our theme for the

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Speaker 1: sure that you're actually in alignment with who you are,

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Speaker 1: You're not abandoning yourself for any parts of your life.

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Speaker 1: And I was telling Fancy before that. Immediately when Chip

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Speaker 1: do you think Fancy would come on? Because your story

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that so funny? Because I like when

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Speaker 1: the people working for me. I don't think anyone woke

428
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: up and was like, you know what, we want to

429
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: damage this dude. We want to like mess up his

430
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: life and make him feel bad about himself. I don't

431
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: think this was like uh um, conscious effort to like

432
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 1: shame me or make me feel a certain way. But

433
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: inevitably Los Angeles just chewed me up and spit me out.

434
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: I signed this big deal, I get moved to the

435
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: l a part time, and then all of a sudden,

436
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: you know, the conversation turns to, well, you need to

437
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: be in a jam, and this is what we're gonna do.

438
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna make this this whole campaign got pitched to

439
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: me about putting my song out, my song Goodbye, putting

440
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 1: it out, having this like everything about being about not

441
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: what you look like and not all this stuff, And

442
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I realized, like, wow, my songs

443
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: out and it's climbing the chart, all this stuff, and

444
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a part of the brand at all. And

445
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: actually the first time I ever heard the song on

446
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 1: the radio was the first time I was informed that

447
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: I was being called who is fancy? That wasn't a

448
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: decision I made. That was those And I think the

449
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: whole thing was for other people to ask who is fancy?

450
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: But I think inevitably when you take someone out of

451
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: their own branding and then pose a question, I think

452
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: what that ends up doing is making the artists look

453
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: like they don't know who they are, like you kind

454
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: of implied, is like the second part of that question.

455
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: And no matter what I did after that with the label,

456
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: with my management, we just could not get on the

457
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: same page because that question was so um palpable who

458
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: is fancy? And my voice didn't matter and no one

459
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: else could really speak to this artist because they didn't

460
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: create it. I did this, this fan I think I

461
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: created to set myself free from this conservative Christian world

462
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: that I lived in Nashville. And then after that, it's

463
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: like country music row world where people were trying to

464
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: make me play by their rules, and I realized, like, wow,

465
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm not in that Christian bubble anymore. I'm not in

466
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: that music row bubble anymore. I'm in this Los Angeles

467
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: music business bubble now. And it's people doing the same

468
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: exact thing that people have been doing to me my

469
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: whole adult life as a queer person, telling me who

470
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: I am and what I am. And in fact, I

471
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: didn't even get to perform live. I got to be

472
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: on Jimmy fallon The Tonight Show, which is, you know,

473
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: a major achievement and a huge bucketless moment for an artist,

474
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: especially that being my first time on television and finding

475
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,239
Speaker 1: out that the only reason I was able to do

476
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: it is because I had been in the gym every

477
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: single day while my song was climbing in the chart,

478
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden I looked a certain way,

479
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Suddenly I was presentable. Suddenly

480
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: the label was like, oh, well, maybe he's a star,

481
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: like you know, because I wasn't fat anymore. And it

482
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: was just kind of a devastating time. All of these

483
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: bucket list things were happening to me. I had a

484
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: top forty hit on the pop radio a year after

485
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: one of the world's biggest producers told me I'd never

486
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: be an artist. Um. And then all of a sudden,

487
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: I was just in these moments of just like I'm

488
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: not surrounded by the right people. These people don't support

489
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: my art. Like I think there was some well intentioned

490
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: people around, but inevitably everyone just works for the man

491
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: So it's like you're kind of just not protected. And

492
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: the whole reason you have managers just to feel protected

493
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: and to feel like your brand and your your art

494
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: is being protected, you know, from hours to be and I,

495
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: uh spit up and shoot out and uh, I was

496
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: in and out of my record deal in a year

497
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: and a half, which is a lot of people get

498
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: um shelves and stuck in situation. At the end of

499
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: the day, everyone handled the situation with kindness, you know,

500
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: think horrible things happened, But at the end of the day,

501
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: I was let out of all contracts like it like

502
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: it just was like it's like it never happened. But

503
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: I walked away saying I had a you know, a

504
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: top forty hit I toward the country with Ariana Grand Day.

505
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: I have a song with Ariana Grand Day. A viral hit.

506
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: It's like, some pretty badass things happened, But it was

507
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: traumatizing the whole time because I just felt like I

508
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to be myself and I was having to

509
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: be something that other people wanted me to be, And

510
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot of decisions were made out of fear, because

511
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: we gotta remember me being an openly gay pop star

512
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: that wanted to sing a about boys. I wasn't being

513
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: I refused, Remember I told you, I refused to not

514
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: bel and just by everyone doing their best to make me,

515
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, tone it down or you know, be more palatable,

516
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: is what I'm not palatable is what I was told

517
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: all the time. But I was still thinking about boys

518
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: because that's what I know. I'm not going to try

519
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: to be like ambiguous, not at this point in my life.

520
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: So you know, my song boys Like You was kind

521
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: of my last hurrah with the label, and um, you

522
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: know it was. It already got stramed more than my

523
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: top forty hit by the time I got dropped. But

524
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: there's just not much to say. But it was a

525
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: time where you know, gay marriage wasn't even Yeah. Yeah,

526
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: it's so crazy to me because it's not like you

527
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: walked in and said, Hey, you're gonna manage me and

528
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna put off our records. Like these people chose

529
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: to work with you and to not you know, support

530
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: you for you it just sounds absurd, like did It's

531
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: like they just wanted to waste their own time for

532
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: a year and a half. I think, like I said,

533
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: I think there was some well intentioned people, and I

534
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: think as things start moving is you know, I don't

535
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: think anyone thought that Goodbye was truly going to catch

536
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: the way it caught. You know, it's seeming I remember,

537
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: I think it was January when they first sent it

538
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: to the first radio station, and it was already a

539
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: top forty hit by April. So it's not like it

540
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: spent all this time. I did not do one radio tour,

541
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't like a ton of like it just

542
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of really took on a life of its own. Yeah.

543
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, this like big, which happens a lot to

544
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of artists, you know, this big grand mansion

545
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: was built without a fan foundation, brand opportunities that you know,

546
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: seemingly would launch someone into the stratosphere. Um, but there

547
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: was no foundation, There was no there was nothing for

548
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: me to really hold onto. There was nothing really for

549
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: the listeners to hold on too. And I think people,

550
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think the industry wants to you know,

551
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: they constantly are talking about dumbing things down for the audience,

552
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: But I think the audience is a lot smarter than

553
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: the industry wants to give him credit for. And I

554
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: think they know when something is authentic when something's not authentic.

555
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: And unfortunately for me, I was presenting myself on these

556
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: large platforms um not fully feeling great about myself. And

557
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: I think up on that, I totally agree with that,

558
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: And I think you know, Chip manages L King and

559
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: we talked and you've actually I've seen you open for

560
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: L King, and she, to me is one of those

561
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: people who just fucking is who she is, like across

562
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: the board, and um, I think people pick up on that,

563
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: and it's just like why people love her, And I like,

564
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: I love watching people like that really grow and succeed

565
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: because to me, like you said, the foundation is there

566
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: and they know who they are and they just own

567
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: it and people get it that way. But when we

568
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: try to like tort ourselves and fit into a box,

569
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times it just gets lost and people

570
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: get confused and if they don't have the thing to

571
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: grip onto of, like no, this is who that person is,

572
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: they can't buy in either. Right well, And something I

573
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: love about l King that I got to know about

574
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: her on this tour, O King is going to be

575
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: ol King And it doesn't matter if it is me, you,

576
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: or Elton John in the room, be herself. And that's

577
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: why she has been so successful in so many different

578
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: iterations of her career. And it was inspiring for me

579
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: to be around someone like that because you know what

580
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: I think, because of the way I grew up, and

581
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: because of the um all the voices who have told

582
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: me to be less, like to lit on it, be less,

583
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: be palatable, like you don't want people to be offended,

584
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: you don't want I think. Something I learned is that

585
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: that's not me, you know what I mean? Like, that's

586
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: not who I am. So done are the days of

587
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: me listening to anyone, whether it is a big wig producer,

588
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: whether it is a big shot manager, where it's a

589
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: label president, whether it's another artist, whether it's someone at

590
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: a grocery store, whether it's a fan comming on my Instagram. Um,

591
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: gone are the days where I listen to anyone about

592
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: who fancy is because this is the world I created,

593
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, And I've really been able to in the

594
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: last couple of years or frustrate this really beautiful um

595
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: landscape around me, of the people I work with, of

596
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: the people who get to speak into my creative process,

597
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: the people who get to speak into my career, the

598
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: people who get to speak into my personal life are

599
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: really vetted and trusted and people that rarely criticize and

600
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: always uplift. You know. I realized that, you know, people

601
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: always talk about yes people, you don't want to be right,

602
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: but you don't want to be around no people either.

603
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people in this world, a

604
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: lot of people in this industry that are no people

605
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: for the sake of I think, their own insecurity, their

606
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: own fear. They can't imagine themselves, um, living to their

607
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: fullest potential, So why would they ever support someone else

608
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: living to their and this moment and when you think

609
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: about who's speaking into your life, the critics, you know,

610
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: whether they be people you don't know or people who

611
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: are working closely, um, you got to really ask yourself,

612
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: is this someone who I would switch places with? And

613
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: if the answers no, then what they're saying to you

614
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Realize there's a lot of people in this

615
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: group in this career I've had speaking into it that

616
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: I would not trade places with, not for the most

617
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: money in the world. Would I want to be in

618
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: their position, because what they don't have is true happiness.

619
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: And you can see that as people you know exists

620
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: and around you. You can see when someone is truly happy.

621
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: And you would never treat someone way I got treated

622
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. If you were happy, or if you

623
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: were trying happiness, if you're trying to money and greed

624
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, Um, that's not gonna find

625
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: you happiness. And I am in a place now in

626
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: my life where being being myself and and creating art

627
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: that makes me happy and speaks to me, and I

628
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: think people in my community that makes me the happiest.

629
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't care if a radio station wants to play

630
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: my song or not. I don't care if a big

631
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: manager thinks my song is a hit, because I know

632
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: that there's people out there listening. Um, this is the

633
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: first time I'm you know, last year I put out

634
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: my album and it's my debut album. I've been in

635
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: this game since I was seventeen years old, and I

636
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: put out my debut album last year in I've lived

637
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: in Nashville since two thousand nine. Wow, my only body

638
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: of work came out in one After a pretty gnarly

639
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: year yea with pandemics. I was hit by a tornado

640
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: here in Nashville. Yeah, you lost your house right, Yeah,

641
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: my apartment I did. The photos are insane. I'm never

642
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: say that, I'll but you know what it's like, with

643
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: the lowest of lows comes some of the highest of highs.

644
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: And I found myself again, you know, actually rising from

645
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: the ashes and getting to having the opportunity to put

646
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: my first full body of work out into this world.

647
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: And not for nothing. I own it so of like

648
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: despite you know, you can look at the who is

649
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: Fancy Spotify page and I have over a hundred million spins.

650
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: But ultimately that was not beneficial to me in my life,

651
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't have the same amount of streams,

652
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, with what I'm doing now. But I feel

653
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: fulfilled and I feel so happy, and I feel like

654
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: all these opportunities that are finding me now are finding

655
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: me at a moment of peace and me and um,

656
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm arriving, you know what I mean?

657
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: And and and not just in my career, but in

658
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: my life. I have a thing I do and this

659
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: started probably in like two thousand eighteen. I don't make

660
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: New Year's resolutions, but I said a theme for my year,

661
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: and it's really it's really crazy how just knowing what

662
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: I want to happen in a year and just focusing

663
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: on that and and truly believing that that's what I

664
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: deserve and seeing myself um reaching that goal. It happens

665
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: full stop. And so it's just been cool because people

666
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: have always made me feel like I couldn't do things

667
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: without them, specifically in my career, and this is that

668
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned me going back on tour without King,

669
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: And this is the year where I've done everything that

670
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: I was doing in two thousand fifteen, and I'm doing

671
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: it again, and this time I'm doing it on my

672
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: own terms, and I'm doing it my way. And this

673
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: is art that no one has really spoken into except

674
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: for me, so and trust to collaborators. So it's been

675
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: a really fulfilling moment. And you know, my story sounds dramatic,

676
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy, but all of that today, you know,

677
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: it was a huge learning curve and I learned a

678
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: lot about what I don't want and what I don't need,

679
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: and what I don't need is people who don't understand

680
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: me speaking into my my art and my life. The

681
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: reminder too, as you're talking, like, have you guys ever

682
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: heard that analogy of like life is just a corkscrew

683
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: like we all wanted to be excuse me, this uphill climb, right,

684
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: Like something happens, you learn a lesson and then from

685
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: then on out it's just all the way up. And

686
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: really it's like life is this up and down, you know,

687
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: just journey of different obstacles and a lot of times

688
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: we even get the same lesson presented to us, and

689
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, am I going to make a

690
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: different decision this time? Or am I actually going to

691
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: lean into my truth more and hold onto it? And

692
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: I hear so much of that in you. It's like

693
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: you kept bumping up against this thing of like who

694
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: is fancy? You know, like through your whole life you've

695
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of had the same narrative following you, and it's

696
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: really inviting you to lean so much more hardcore into like,

697
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: I know who I am, and I'm gonna tell you

698
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: who I am. And I think that the fulfillment that

699
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: I see you talking about right now has to be

700
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: a product of that. I mean, yeah, I mean the

701
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: the whole thing about people, the whole thing about the

702
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: who is fancy thing? And you know, I remember how

703
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: nauseating for me those label meetings were, because you know,

704
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: it would be like, well, you need to be the

705
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: male Megan Trainer, you need to make a motown record,

706
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: you need to make this kind of record, you need

707
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: to make that record. And you know I would running,

708
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: I would do it all, I would do whatever that

709
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it was never enough.

710
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: And so you know, I just realized, like, you know what,

711
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I do know who I am, but who I am

712
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: just not fit into these people's version of what they

713
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: want me to be. For oh, and that's no longer

714
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: something I do. I don't live for other people's comfort,

715
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: Like you don't like what I'm doing on Instagram unfollowed,

716
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: you don't like what I'm doing at my shows, don't

717
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: come you know what I mean. It's like there's just

718
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: all these different I used to live for other people's comfort,

719
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: I used to want to be what other people wanted

720
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: me to be. And I think you're right. I think,

721
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, I was rubbing against that. It's a theme

722
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: in my life of constant you know. I feel like

723
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: I have to prove myself, and I think I have

724
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: proven myself. I've come out of all of those uh

725
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: really dramatic stories unscathed, you know, and better better. I agree. Yeah,

726
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, Kelly Clarkson was not lying. But doesn't kill

727
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: you definitely makes you stronger. She always speaks the trip well.

728
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: The last album was called Southern Curiosity. I loved it.

729
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: I think it's so great. I listened to that song

730
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: Don't Blink just one repeat for some reason. That one

731
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: really speak to me and I just could blast it

732
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: in my car all the time. I love it. Tell

733
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that album and making that

734
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: album and what that process was like for you. Um,

735
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: it was a long time coming the album. We took

736
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: a very long time to make it. Um. I moved

737
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: back to Nashville from l A. I always kind of

738
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: had a place in Nashville as I was kind of

739
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: going back and forth, but I moved back full time

740
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen, and UM, I got out of

741
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: the last contract that I was in with all my

742
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: previous stuff, I had to wait out. So I basically

743
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: took a year off in Nashville. So I went from

744
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: being on Jimmy Fallon and tourning with r On a

745
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: Grande and all was stuff to moving back to Nashville

746
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: and working at a bar, and which is humbling to

747
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: say the least. And um, I took a year off

748
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: waiting to get out of my last contract, and I

749
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: got out of thinking I was a little big for

750
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: my bridges, thinking well, I'm going to get another deal

751
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: just like that. And it took me about a year

752
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: and have to get another deal. So it was like

753
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: entering into two thousand eighteen when I finally got a

754
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: new publishing deal, um with my now manager Natalie Osborne

755
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: and her longtime collaborator Steve Markland, who's an amazing person. Um,

756
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: but what had happened is like those years where I

757
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: couldn't get a deal and I was just kind of

758
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: existing in Nashville. I became very close to see Markland

759
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: and obviously Natalie's you y'alls listeners don't know this, but

760
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: she's my platonic life partners. She's my best friend and

761
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: she was, you know, working at this publishing company, and

762
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: I finally feel like I just they started like, you know,

763
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: we'll help you get in rides, Well help you do this.

764
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: And then one day I was at their publishing company

765
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: after having lunch with Natalie, and Steve's like, well, what

766
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: do you what do you need? Like I want to

767
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: help you, Like what do you need? And I was

768
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: just like, enough, I need a publishing deal, like sign me,

769
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: Like I don't need anything other than cold heart cash,

770
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: time and you know, space, and lucky me, I got it.

771
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: They gave me that tenfold and I started being able

772
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: to travel that same year. You know, I told you

773
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: about my themes for the year that I wanted to travel,

774
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: So it was the year of travel and I I

775
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: spent money on one trip to Ireland and after that

776
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: I got to go to nine new countries that year

777
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't pay for one of them. I want

778
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, it was like all songs, like people

779
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: wanted me to come somewhere and right or somewhere to perform,

780
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, And it was just kind of a crazy

781
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: year of just like opportunities to get to see the world.

782
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: And I think, uh, going to London was really a

783
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: catalyst for me as an artist, because UM, genre has

784
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: always been such a tricky thing for me, because I

785
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: always felt too queer to truly belong here, and in

786
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: l A, I felt to Nashville to belong there, and

787
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: so I always it's always just been such a clusterfuck

788
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: for me. And then when I was in London, genre

789
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: was not a conversation whatsoever, mainly because country music isn't

790
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: a largely known thing there. So I actually wrote Don't

791
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: Blink in London with a pop producer UM who was like, oh,

792
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to try to write a country song,

793
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: and what he played me was this like electric guitar

794
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: riff with this trap beat underneath it, basically, and in

795
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: about ten minutes over there, Oh my god. Now. And

796
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: I remember being back stateside and we were like listening

797
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: to some of the songs I had written, and I

798
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: feel like it was the first song that all of us, Natalie, Steve, myself,

799
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: we're listening to and we were like, you know what,

800
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: this is a vibe. It's a stand vibe and like

801
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's fresh, It's is a country I

802
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: don't know, is it pop? I don't know, but it's fancy,

803
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: and that's what it felt like. It felt like I

804
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: had really stepped into my sound for the first time. Um,

805
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: the record after that, you know, we I was writing

806
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: with so many people in Nashville and in London. I

807
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: wrote half that record in London. Um, but it just

808
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: kind of fell together. And then John Green, who's a

809
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: dear friend, and Tofa Brown, who's a dear friend. I've

810
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: known both of them for a better part of a decade,

811
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: and um, we actually did a demo together that actually

812
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: never even made the record, which is funny, but I

813
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: loved the way they made it sound. And so I

814
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: was like, can y'all come in and produced some songs

815
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: on me? And I convinced Steve to pay for like

816
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: the first four and we were like calling it an

817
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: e P. And then in the studio I ended up

818
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: recording like nine songs. And then I just kept somehow

819
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: talking people into letting me record more and more and more.

820
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Every time John Green was in Nashville, me, him and

821
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: Tofa we get together at Battle Tapes in East Nashville,

822
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: and I think we recorded like twenty songs for Sudden Curiosity.

823
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: And then finally cut it down to eleven. But yeah,

824
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful process and it was it

825
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: was the most uh fulfilling creatively I've ever felt at

826
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: that point, and I just felt so in charge and

827
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: so present in my own art and my own brand,

828
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: and that record something I'm really proud of because in

829
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: a lot of ways for me, it's a big fuck

830
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: you to Los Angeles and a big fuck you to

831
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Nashville because I'm going to be whatever I want to

832
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: be whenever I want to be. It fancy is not

833
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: just one thing. I'm a lot of things. I'm born

834
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: and raised in the South, and I'm unapologetically proud to

835
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: be queer, and I never want to hide any of

836
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: those facts about myself. Um, and I think that's something

837
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: that I was asked to do multiple times in this

838
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: lifetime so far, and I'm just, you know, like I've

839
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: said multiple times, I'm done doing that. I'm done apologizing

840
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: for being who and what I am. And I feel

841
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: like he is my love letter to myself and my

842
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: love letter to being queer in the South. And the

843
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: most beautiful part about it, I get emotional talking about

844
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: this is all the messages I get from people who

845
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: finally see themselves in music, because our narrative is not

846
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: often explored, you know, especially in Nashville and kind of storytelling.

847
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: And I feel like something curiosity was for me away,

848
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: for me to tell my story. But the most impactful

849
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: thing for me has been hearing other people share their

850
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: stories with me and tell me that that album was

851
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: the first time they were able to see themselves in

852
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: a space in a place that doesn't often celebrate them

853
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: and so it's it's kind of a bridge of sorts

854
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: and I just really feel so blessed to have been

855
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: able to be a part of that and too, you know,

856
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: be challenging the norm here in Nashville, challenging what stories

857
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: get told and who's getting to tell them. Yeah, And

858
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: I think, I mean that is so beautiful to me

859
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: because I really felt listening to this album, like what

860
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: I get from it is just the rawness of your

861
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: emotions in general, whether it's heartbreak or it's just like

862
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: deep love of if it's accepting yourself, like I felt

863
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: all of that, which then translates into me feeling that

864
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: for myself, you know, and giving myself the graces of

865
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: just like you're this way, accept it, like stop trying

866
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: to not be who you are to fit into someone

867
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: else's box. And um, also it helps that you can

868
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: fucking sing your ass off and it's just fankful to

869
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: listen to you all day. So I'm just a huge

870
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: fan of it. And I just love that you are

871
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: embracing who you are because I think that that's a

872
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: gift to all of us as well well. I I

873
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: also love that, like, um, even in the production, the

874
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: rawness like it's night and day from Who Is Fancy,

875
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: and it's like the makeup came off, the cloak was

876
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: the cloak was removed, and you just you fucking just

877
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: laid your heart out on a record and it's you know, um,

878
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: that to me is the clearest path to happiness. Is

879
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: just like you allowed yourself to love yourself. And as

880
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: much as you wanted people to hear this record, you

881
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: needed you clearly needed to make this for you. And

882
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: that's I think where the most pure art comes from. Yeah,

883
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: I think you know. It was also the first time,

884
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, I've been talking about being surrounded by the

885
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: right people. It's the first time. Yeah, I felt so

886
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: nurtured to be myself and there was I didn't have

887
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: no people around me, and not that the people around

888
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: me were yes people, but I firsthand got to see

889
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: what it's like when you're nurtured as a creator, as

890
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: a creative, as a as an artist. Um when when

891
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: people just allow you the space and the time to

892
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: be yourself, what can come of that? And I think

893
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: it's it's really beautiful that, you know, I found the

894
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: people in the town that seemingly was not filled with

895
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: people like that. I'm really thankful that I've I found

896
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: the group of people that allow me to do that,

897
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: and that has morphed into this whole other thing. You know,

898
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: I was sounded signed to Downtown. That's not even a

899
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: thing in Nashville anymore. And now those publishers are my managers.

900
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: So we've kind of taken on this whole thing. Because

901
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: I think it's when you find the people that ride

902
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: for you, you you gotta stick with them. And I finally

903
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: feel like I have the people that ride for me.

904
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: They don't ride for one song. It's it's not that

905
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: they're writing because I have a a hit song. It's

906
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: not because you know, there's this big artists taking me

907
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: on tour. They ride for me, and I see it

908
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: in my day life, and I see it in my

909
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: career as well. So I think that's the most special

910
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: thing for me that came of the whole Southern curiosity

911
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: thing is just finding my tribe, finding my people, the

912
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: people nurture me and allow me to be myself in

913
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: my you know, creative space. Yeah, freaking hard, what did

914
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: you say? And who knew that'd be so freaking hard

915
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: to find me? I think it's one of the hardest

916
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: things though. It's finding, finding and embracing the people who

917
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: can truly support you and be with you on your

918
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: journey and then make you, like not make you, but

919
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: allow you to be yourself so that you can stay there,

920
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: you know. Like, I think it's probably something we're all

921
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: going to bump up against. And the older I get,

922
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: the more important. I love that you've been putting it

923
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: into like having yes people but I mean and not

924
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: having no people around you. I've never thought about it

925
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: that way, but that is it's so destructive for a

926
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: creative because then you just you get squashed and you

927
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, and before

928
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: you know what, you're questioning everything you do, which is

929
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: literally the most contradictory thing to being able to really

930
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: embrace your creativity. Yeah, exactly, because when you have people

931
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: are just sitting there, you know, with their arrows ready

932
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: to shoot every dream, an idea you you're throwing out.

933
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: It got me to a point where I didn't want

934
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: to throw anything out exactly about saying anything at all,

935
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: and then it turns into well you don't know yourself,

936
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, well, great, perfect, and like I

937
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: did before this conversation, glad we're here now. But I'm

938
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: so glad we landed here. Yeah, thank you. It's it's

939
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: it should be criminal for liars to work in the arts,

940
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: because look, it's there are plenty of jobs out there

941
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: that are people's dream jobs, but when it comes to art,

942
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: that is your dream, you know, like it's not a

943
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 1: dream job, it is you are living your dream. And

944
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there were plenty of days that

945
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: you're like and maybe even still like you look back

946
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: and like, how did I get there? While people were

947
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: lying to you, they were saying what they wanted you

948
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: to hear so that they could get from you what

949
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: they wanted, and it wasn't your dream. They wanted money,

950
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: they wanted power. They wanted all of these things, and

951
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were some well intentioned people there that

952
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: did want to see you succeed, but it wasn't it

953
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: was it might not have been for your dream though,

954
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: And it sounds like the people around you now And

955
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: of course I don't I don't know Steve, but I

956
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: of course know Natalie, and it's like they they're along,

957
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: like they share your dream. So it's it's a they're

958
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: coming from a much more pure place and well, I

959
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: mean it's it's so beautiful. Like you know, as a

960
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: manager myself, it's like, I I know none of this

961
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: is easy. You know, it's like I have to believe

962
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: the dream too other or I'm gonna fail, Like I

963
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: have to wake up and believe the same fucking dream. Well,

964
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: I also thinking that I have realized in the last

965
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: couple of years working with nat and working with Steve

966
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: is like also I believe in them just as much

967
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: as they believe in me. You trust people that you

968
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: believe in and that you see, you see their potential

969
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: and you see like where the you know when it's

970
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: able to like suddenly there's joy, you know, meetings. I

971
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: used to load the word meeting, like, let's have meeting,

972
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: let's jump on a call. I'd be like, oh god, no,

973
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm gonna run off Runyon Canyon before I

974
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: go to another you know what I mean. But it's

975
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: just like now, it's like I find so much joy

976
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: in the brainstorming in the in the group think you know,

977
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: what are we doing next? Because it does feel like

978
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: a week. It doesn't feel like me working for other people,

979
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: which is what my career has always felt. Me answering

980
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: to some heterosexual white dude telling me how to be fancy.

981
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: Finally feel like I'm at the helm of my own ship.

982
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: And everyone always says you have to be. But how

983
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: many people allow you to be is really interesting because

984
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: the answer is not that many. And when you have

985
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: people that allow you to finally feel like they're working

986
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: with you and you're not, you're working for them, it

987
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: just it fosters a really peaceful, um joyful environment. So

988
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: not to say that you know we win all the time,

989
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: that every day is a win, that's not true. There's

990
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: many times where you know, we're all bummed out, but

991
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: we're in it together, you know, and that makes the

992
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: sting of you know, the not great days not feel

993
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: as bad because I know that I have this team

994
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: around me that believes in the overall bigger picture right

995
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: in my career. Earlier, I had all this success, the

996
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: top forty hit, big tours, all this stuff under my belt.

997
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: But when the when, when the storm came, the house

998
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: crumbled completely. Well. The current the current single is blue

999
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: dream Baby with Casey Musgraves. I also love this song.

1000
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: Tell us tell the listeners about recording this with Casey.

1001
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: So I'm working on my sophomore album and blue dream

1002
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: Baby I actually wrote with Karen Fairchild from a Little

1003
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: Big Town Love Karen and a Lisa Ander Higam, who

1004
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: is um producing some more stuff for my album, and um,

1005
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: it's one of those songs that you know, I'm just

1006
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: I've been so in the world of sutting curiosity. When

1007
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: we wrote it, I was kind of like, I don't know,

1008
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: and then, you know, after that first day listened a

1009
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: Lisa sent it to me again and was like, this

1010
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: is bonkers, and I listened to it with like a

1011
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: fresh ear, and I was like, you know what this

1012
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: reminds me of. It kind of reminds me of something

1013
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: I would have written back in two thousand and fifteen,

1014
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: like it just it's an earworm. It's like, I just

1015
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: think it's such pop yumminess. And I'm kind of in

1016
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: the mood to get back to that because that's where

1017
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: I started, That's where my career started. So this next

1018
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: album is a little bit of a um I feel

1019
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: like Genesis because I'm kind of returning back to what

1020
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: made me popular in the first place, which is probably

1021
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: and Kasey and I are dear friends. Is one of

1022
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: my good juniors here in town. We've we've been like

1023
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: friendly for years and years and years, but I would

1024
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: I would say we got really close after a trip

1025
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: we took with some friends to Cuba, and in Cuba

1026
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: there's like no phones and like all this stuff, so

1027
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: you end up just having to like you. Yeah, So

1028
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: we just became very close after that trip, and then

1029
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: obviously going into the pandemic, we you know, we were

1030
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: in the same little so you could, yea the same bubble.

1031
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: And she's my closest friends and getting to collaborate with

1032
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: her is a dream. But it kind of came together.

1033
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: I played it for her boyfriend, Cole Um, and I

1034
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: got a text later that night from Casey and she's

1035
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: like cold, just talking about the song like we sent

1036
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: it to me. And then next thing you know, we're

1037
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: in the studio. She's putting vocals down on it, sending harmonies,

1038
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: and then she did you know, the harmony for the

1039
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: second verse ended up sounding so cool. We made it

1040
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: like the main part of it. So it's just it's

1041
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: just been a dream collab. And again it's just a

1042
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: moment for me too. You know, the music video for

1043
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: that is so outrageous and wild and I'm having like

1044
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: wild galactic alien Gailien sex and everywhere and just like

1045
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: very much. But it's just a testament to I have

1046
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: a team around me that when I throw out a vision,

1047
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what it is like there they're there

1048
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: to see it through. And like I when I was

1049
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: saying the idea for the music video, like I get

1050
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: abducted by Gailiens and then you know, the alien gets

1051
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: hard and this penis like that comes across the screen

1052
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I'm thinking, like I'm about to

1053
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: get like laughed at, or like someone somewhere is gonna

1054
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: say no, and it never happened, like like yeah, not

1055
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: so funny. This is great, Like just this I was

1056
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: just kind of like, Wow, I know that I'm in

1057
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: the right place for this because I just feel like

1058
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: my visions are finally getting to come to life and

1059
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: people are getting to know me for the first time

1060
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: for real. So and having someone like Casey on the track,

1061
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's just been It's a dream come true.

1062
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: But again, that's another you know, my last giant feature.

1063
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: I'd say I've had a ton of features I've enjoyed

1064
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: being on, but I remember the song we Are on

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Speaker 1: a Grande and Megan Trainer, you know, that team of

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Speaker 1: people making me feel like I could never pull something

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Speaker 1: like that off without them, And I feel like me

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Speaker 1: putting out a song with Casey is just another homage

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Speaker 1: to two thousand fifteen and all the people who told

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Speaker 1: me what I couldn't do. Here I am doing it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the album needs to be called like

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Speaker 1: this is fancy bitch. I know people don't like to

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Speaker 1: talk about stuff like this, but I've thought about that.

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Speaker 1: I've thought about what this album should be called, and

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Speaker 1: I think, like you said earlier, seven Curiosity was such

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Speaker 1: a uh here's my heart do well? But I think

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Speaker 1: this album, with its pop learning sounds, is kind of

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Speaker 1: like my genesis. So I've thought about calling it that,

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Speaker 1: and I've also thought about just calling it fancy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I haven't decided yet, but you're spot on with that,

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Speaker 1: because I think I don't think there is really any

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Speaker 1: more questions about who I am. I've kind of like

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Speaker 1: laid it out on the table, But if anyone is

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Speaker 1: still wondering, I would love to spell that out for

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Speaker 1: them there because and I never have been and I'm

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Speaker 1: just kind of excited to have the opportunity to continue,

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Speaker 1: uh living my dream. Yeah, if you had to say

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Speaker 1: anything to people listening, who you know either I mean

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Speaker 1: whether it's in a creative field or not, but just

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Speaker 1: in life in general, Like what is your biggest takeaway

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Speaker 1: lesson from your whole experience with this corkscrew of like

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Speaker 1: who am? I know? This is who I am? And

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Speaker 1: then people questioning it, like what have you? What is

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Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway that you could give the listeners? Um.

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Speaker 1: I think listening to yourself is really important, and I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people, myself included in the past,

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Speaker 1: do a lot of listening to others decisions based off

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Speaker 1: other people's feelings, and I think we have to do

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Speaker 1: a better job at truly listening to our gut because

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Speaker 1: I don't. My mom always said to me, you've got

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Speaker 1: to trust your gut because it's the only thing that

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Speaker 1: won't lie to you. And I've really the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years have been feeling that. And I was listening

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Speaker 1: to something week. I was reading a book that was

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Speaker 1: talking about true emotions and fears a real emotion, and

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Speaker 1: so I think sometimes we make decisions out of fear,

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Speaker 1: but when fear turns to panic, that's not a real emotion.

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Speaker 1: That's that's you know, panic, It's just such a negative thing.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of decisions in my

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Speaker 1: life and my career have been made out of fear

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Speaker 1: and panic, and I just think we've got to make

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Speaker 1: decisions out of joy and out of love. And I

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Speaker 1: would say to someone, if you're not making decisions for

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Speaker 1: yourself in any regard, your career, your life, personal life,

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Speaker 1: if it's not bringing you joy, if you're not making

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Speaker 1: these decisions from a place of love, then it's not

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Speaker 1: the right thing. That's amazing true, That is so true. Fancy,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here with us and sharing your

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Speaker 1: story with our listeners. I love the journey you're on,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to just see how the rest

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Speaker 1: of this plays out. Where can people find you. You

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Speaker 1: can find me on Instagram at Fancy Hey Good and

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Speaker 1: anywhere you listen to music, anywhere you listen to music.

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Speaker 1: I'll put links to Fancy's Instagram and this album in

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Speaker 1: the description of this podcast. And I'm just so glad

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Speaker 1: that you were here with us, and um, yeah, chif,

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Speaker 1: do you have any closing remarks? No, I just can't

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Speaker 1: wait to see you in person soon. Yes, let's hang,

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Speaker 1: let's get let's do it. Thank you, Thanks Fancy, and

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Speaker 1: thank you guys for listening. Bye bye,