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Yes, right, 28 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: money Making Conversation. You're listening to it and I'm your host, 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. Each Money Making Conversation talk show is about 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: entrepreneurship and entertainment. I provide the consumer and business owner 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: access to interviews with celebrities, CEOs, entrepreneurs and industry decision makers. 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: It's important to understand that everybody travels a different path 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: to success. That's because your brand is different. The challenges 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: you face in your life are different. So stop reading 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: other post success stories and start writing your own. Now. 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: You could be motivated by their success because their stories 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: can offer direction and help you reach your goals through 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: your planet and your committed effort. The Money Making Conversation 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: interviews provide relatable information to the listener that's you about 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: career and financial planning, entrepreneurship, motivation, leadership, overcoming the arts, 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: and how to live a balanced life. My next guest 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: is on the phone. He is the fourteenth winning this 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: manager in Major League Baseball history. He began his Major 44 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: League Baseball career in eighteen sixty. Is a teammate to 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: the speedy of raft guards man Right Dore and the 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: legendary slugger Hank Aaron. But we're on the show the 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: day to discuss his life as an entrepreneur. He is 48 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: the founder and president of Baker Energy Team. He's the 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: founder and president of Baker Family Wines, which I found 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: out when I was reading the Houston Chronicle, and the 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: founder and chairman of the board of cool Baker Global 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: along my man Robert cool Bell, who's the founder and 53 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: president of Cool Baker Global. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation. 54 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: The current manager of the Houston Astros and wine entrepreneur 55 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: Dusty Baker. Good morning. How you doing, hey, Dustin. I 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: had to get it all lot man, I had to 57 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: get it all lot about you man. Yeah, well, you know, 58 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: let let us talk about you as a person, because 59 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I gotta say some things about the very personal to meet. 60 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: Because when you're in the business, the only two African 61 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: American managers that are currently and Major League baseballer, that's 62 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts or the Dodgers and yourself. And you know, 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: when you grow up in the community and you look, 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: you are a icon, You are a a leader. You 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: are a person that consider blessing in my life because 66 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: you're doing some things that are unique in this business. 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: And you've achieved high levels of success in a business 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: that very few of us have achieved an opportunity to participate. 69 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: And that nothing negative. It's just why life placed itself out. 70 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: And with that being said, when I when I make 71 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: statements like that and and and I'm an African American man, 72 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: the person of how do you react to that? Do 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: you do you feel the the what you've accomplished in 74 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: your life and the impact that you made to individuals 75 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: like me and people you make a in the in 76 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: the game of baseball, game that you just started playing 77 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: because you loved and made a living out of it. Well, 78 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, people tell me about it, but I don't 79 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: really think about it, you know, I just think about 80 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: living my life and trying to do the best I 81 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: can for the community and my family. And you know, 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: my dad was you know, my little league coach. He 83 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: was very Bobby Bonds, thet league coach in Riverside, California. 84 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: My dad was you know, deacon in the in the church. 85 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: My mama was in the in the choir. So like 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: we were, you know, uh raised, you know, to be 87 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: community minded. And I'm the oldest of five. My dad 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: worked uh two jobs for thirty five years and uh, 89 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, my mom went back to school at forty 90 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: years old and uh, you know, got her degrees and uh. 91 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: But my dad was a common sense, hard working guy 92 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: who who was an entrepreneur himself. But it didn't really 93 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, nobody use those turns back in the day. 94 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: My dad had you know, my dad had rent out 95 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: picked him up. And then you know, like he was, 96 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: you know, he'd do anything. A hustler. He was a hustler. 97 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean my dad attacked ruth. I was 98 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: with him all the time. My dad, you know, he 99 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: did gardening. My dad did, uh, you know, whatever it 100 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: took to you know, to make some exture change. And 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: you know how I got into the farming. And you 102 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: know most most of us are farmers in the past 103 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: that we've forgotten about farm We were forced to farm 104 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: back in the day. So you know, my dad, uh, 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, we always had a garden. I got a 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: garden now because you feed your family, you know, out 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: of the garden. And so uh, you know, my my 108 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: roots started long time ago. I didn't like it. I 109 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: didn't like doing all that hard work out there in 110 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: that hot sun. But it paid off because I'm passing 111 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: that on now to you know, my daughter and son 112 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: the way to my dad passed it on to me. 113 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting that so many terms that 114 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: we use nowadays branding entrepreneurs. You know, when I was 115 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: growing up in the sixties and seventies, and you know, 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: those terms wasn't shared in our community like that. You know, 117 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: we were just trying to work, you know, whether entrepreneurs 118 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: somebody who was cutting grass every week or entrepreneur. You know, 119 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: these are entrepreneurs do these that we were doing, but 120 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: we didn't know what the title was. Who was just 121 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: like theyre trying to make money to put food on 122 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: the table. Now we realized when I when I listened 123 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: to you, the structure of who you are today, besides 124 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: a baseball player, was given to you by your father 125 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: and your mom. Your father being an entrepreneur, and you 126 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: saw how he was able to make money outside of 127 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: the forty hour week schedule. That was really important, correct, 128 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: But I was very I was very correct to see. 129 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 1: Also another part here that came into play. I signed 130 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: out of high school against my dad's permission. I had 131 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: a number of football and basketballs, none in baseball, and 132 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: I was drafted by the Atlanta Braids, which I prayed 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: that that that I didn't go, I wouldn't go to 134 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: the South. This was in the sixty seven tough time 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: was a tough time all over the country, especially in 136 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: the South, and me being from California, I prayed, Lord, 137 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: please don't let me get drafted by the Atlanta Braids. 138 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: But that was the best thing, you know, that happened 139 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: to me, because that's when I met Ralph Guard. We 140 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: were in the same draft. And that's when when Hank 141 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: Karen promised my mother that that if I signed out 142 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: of high school, he would take care of me as 143 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: if I was his own. The home son. So I 144 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: came back home after that summer playing baseball. A couple 145 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: of weeks playing baseball, and my dad took my contract 146 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: to court. He was trying to nullify my contract because 147 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: he wanted me to go to college and and play basketball. 148 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: And so the state of California they couldn't nullify it. 149 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: So the State of California was a trustee over my 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: affairs and my bonus money until I was twenty one 151 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: years old. And my dad and I didn't I mean, 152 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: he was my main man. We didn't speak three years. 153 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: You know that. You know that I'm a team. Now 154 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm growing, I can do what I want. See what 155 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: happened was my dad, uh in California put my money 156 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: into IBM stock and to understand California, and there was 157 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: and now there's Chevron. So now when I got to 158 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: be twenty one years old, you know, between eighteen and 159 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: twenty one, here I was watching my little my little 160 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: money in the stock market and it tripled, and I 161 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: was like, that's when I first started, uh you know, 162 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: watching the stock market you know through no no, uh, 163 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: you know wasn't either, did it? Then? Later on in 164 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: life I ended up being a stockbroker for a year 165 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: in eighty seven, and my brother went to school he 166 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: was certified, and the CFP and insurance and the stocks 167 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff. So you never know, you 168 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: know which way the Lord is gonna take you. Uh, 169 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: And it took me in a way where, like I said, 170 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: I was upset with my dad and you know, I 171 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to do my own thing. But as it 172 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: turned out, you know, these things helped me, you know 173 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: later on in life. You know, That's that's why it's 174 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: important for me to bring you on the show, because 175 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: he's the stories that you know, you don't you know. 176 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: Success is interesting because of the fact that when you 177 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: bring up Handcaring and Hankcaring, if anybody doesn't know, they 178 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: know he's the all time home run leader and all 179 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: that stuff, broke the record of Beirut. But he's an 180 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: amazing entrepreneur. This man right here, it's got so much 181 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: going on in the city of Atlanta and surrounding areas. 182 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: As an entrepreneur, that's why he's making all this money. 183 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: That's where he's winning. Motivates me. I mean, he's always 184 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: motivated me on the field and off the field. And 185 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, I remember when Hank you know, I had 186 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, I had handcar and BMW and that's where 187 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: he met Mr Moorehead Tom and Tom moorehead who who who? 188 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: Both of them are are my partners. And this is 189 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: some money in Baker family wines about a year a year, 190 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: year and a half ago. And so this is how 191 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: things come full circle. And you know Handcat Krispy Kreme, 192 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: Handcats number I don't know, he has a number of 193 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: Popeyes and he and he donates a whole bunch, you know, 194 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: back to the community, you know, which is which is 195 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: how I was raised, how I was taught, how I'm 196 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: raising my kids that you know, Lord says, you know, 197 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: like those that water get water, and those are generous 198 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, have generous friends, and so 199 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: like I'm afraid not to give now, you know, because 200 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: of of of how blessed I've been in in my life. 201 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: I mean, hadn't always been easy. I mean there were 202 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: times when I was almost broke, but always delivered me 203 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, some kind of way, something always 204 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: came through to you know, put me back on top, 205 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: which is indicative of my career and my business. At 206 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: the same time, let's talk about so you're living a 207 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: life of multiple strings of income, which I always talk 208 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: about the money making conversations, and let's talk about the 209 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: Baker family wines. Because I was reading, like I said, 210 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: I live in Atlanta. I'm a homegrowner. I'm born and 211 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: raised in Atlanta. In Houston, Texas, by the way, born 212 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: in fifth Ward, grew up in with the Forest Brook, 213 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: graduate from University of Houston, got adree in mathematics, went 214 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: to IBM, pursue a career as a stand up comic, 215 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Now I'm on the phone 216 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: talking to you on my platform, money making conversation to 217 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: Steve Harveys of the world, Steve Smiths of the world, 218 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: of Jamie Fox of the world, Monique, all these people. Man, 219 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: you got a resume, all these people. You know the 220 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: thing that Now let's talk about the family wines. My 221 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: wife loves wines. Okay. I started out, you know, like 222 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: I bought a piece of property years ago in Sacramento. 223 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: It's like from San Francisco to Sacramentos. I had. I 224 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: was on the UH Robert Mundavi Advisory Board, and I 225 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: go to UH dinners and lunches with their with their 226 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: distributors Canadaday West Southern wine and spirits and stuff. And 227 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: so I had a couple of extra acres that I 228 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: was gonna build a pond on and UH told me 229 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: I would flood my neighbors because it was on like 230 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: a slope. And so for what else to do with it? 231 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: So I called, uh, you know, Robert Mandavi and and 232 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: and I and I said, hey, man, do you know 233 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: anybody that you can help me? Um, you know, plant 234 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: my rootstock and my steaks and my my wires and 235 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: all this. And he goes, yeah, he said, I got 236 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: a guy, a Chicken Brennaman. And so, uh, fourteen years 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: ago we planted a little gentlemen farm here that produces 238 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: about six eight cases. And uh, and every time I 239 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: lose a job, that's when I started a business. These 240 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: these things come to me and that's how I And 241 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: then I was giving it away to some of the 242 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: brothers here in Sacramento and they're like, man, this is good. 243 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: So that's how we got started. And see my guy, 244 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, Chick brennam and my my winemaker you know, 245 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: was Ahead and Reese search at the at the winery. 246 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: You see Davis, he just retired and you see Davids 247 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: winning Premier Viticulture and and on college institutions and the 248 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: institutions in the world. And so how we got started, uh, 249 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: and then we grew from de Serra on my property, 250 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: and then we vigrades. We have some of young blanc. 251 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: We have a proper proper white that's a combosation stimion 252 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: and and and and and uh Stavian blanc. We got 253 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: a peno that's coming. We got Aberanio coming. We have 254 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: the hank Aaron Cabernet that is supposed to be come 255 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: in August or and then I got my my my 256 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: grace from grace from my property. We got Russian river 257 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: bra a Russian then and a proper head that's uh 258 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: that that that that I like a lot that's a 259 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: combination of Barbara sandel Vasi and Petite the Ros. So 260 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, we gotta you know, we're a small bootie finery. 261 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Oh you you got it going on? Not dusty, don't 262 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: don't don't don't shame people like it? There you people 263 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: like it? Well, well just tell you this by my wife. 264 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: She's all and she's like said, wine connoisseur. I did 265 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: a big mistake one time Dusty. She has a boot. 266 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: She has this little boot you can just like a 267 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: big wire boot. And she would and I didn't know 268 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: it should be like a little corks in now and 269 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: over the years she always had it and I would, oh, 270 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: I just tell you the sad story. He's gonna go sad, 271 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: not Dustin about to go sad. I didn't. I don't 272 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: drink wine, but she loves good wine. And one day, man, 273 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: I just came home with just through that whole all, 274 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: just through all the corks away. You did? She not 275 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: like I didn't know Dusty. I didn't know. I was stupid. 276 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: That was stupid, man. She didn't speak to me for 277 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: a long time. Brother, She that I didn't know a man. 278 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: This growing wine. It's a lot of work. I mean 279 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: it's a lot of work. I'm out there almost daily, 280 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: but it's it's a it's a very spiritual and it's 281 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: very relaxing, you know. And now I see why my 282 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: dad was always out in the garden, because you know, 283 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: he'd come home work from work and go right to 284 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: the garden. So that's what I and so I said, 285 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: that's what I do every day. My wife breat me 286 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: some water out and that my son, uh, you know, 287 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: works with me out there, so I'm trying to teach him. 288 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: And Baker family is one thing I've noticed in my 289 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: conversation is that when you see an opportunity duster, you 290 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: examine it and you try to see it through. You 291 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: just don't just so shy away from something just because 292 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: that's not your skill set. Is that that's that's that's 293 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: that's a quality in you correct well, you know, because 294 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: I was always uh, you know, I was told by 295 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: my parents that don't be afraidly unknown. You gotta have 296 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: faith in yourself. You gotta have faith in the Lord, 297 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: and you gotta surround yourself with people that know more 298 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: about that that particular situation you know, than you do. 299 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: So you know, like I I surrounded myself with people 300 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: because like I've been in and out of baseball the 301 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: last few years, I get a job, we'd win the 302 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: division and then you know, like you know, they get 303 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: rid of me for whatever reason that I'd come home. 304 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna wait on them too, you know, 305 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, to give me a job, I'm gonna go 306 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: out and get it like I was. Uh, And and 307 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: you know I got Baker family wines but see my 308 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: other uh interests. And when I built my home at 309 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: that same time, I put solar throughout my whole all 310 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: my property. I got ground mounds, I got roof mounds. 311 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: I got instant hot water, I got thermal. I got 312 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: a well that you know that's uh, that's uh you know, 313 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: powered by a um uh you know, by solar. I gotta. 314 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: I got a pool that was heated by solar. So 315 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: I was trying to leave a you know, a better 316 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: carbon footprint from my you know, my family and my 317 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: kids that are coming because being a hunter and the fisherman. 318 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: Uh since I was a kid with my dad. You know, 319 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: I've just noticed how how the fisheries are are going bad. 320 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: They're talking about there's no global warming. I went to 321 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Alaska last August, and I saw all these glaciers melting. 322 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: Looks like that crazy. I went their last mate. It 323 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: was sad, it was saying, man, it was sad as heck. 324 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean, but beautiful, but but but but sad. So 325 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: you know, businically tell you where it used to be. 326 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: When they say, well, yeah, you used to be right here. 327 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then they tell there's no global warming, and 328 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute I've seen global warming. You know, 329 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm seven years old. I go to the rivers where 330 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: I grew up fishing and stuff, and there's barely any 331 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: fishing there, you know. I go duck hunting, there's very 332 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, rarely any ducks or or it's hot out 333 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: here in California till until almost January is supposed to 334 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: be raining, so uh you know, that's that's that's why 335 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: I got so interested in and solar, uh, you know, 336 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: to try to leave a better world and also not 337 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: to pay these high high energy costs on it. Let's 338 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: just talk about solar because it's been around forever, you know, 339 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: and now when I'm listening to you, it seems like 340 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: it's an effective form of you know, paying the bills 341 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: around the house by using nature's energy, nature's resources. So well, well, 342 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: well it is. And you know, I went to a clinic, 343 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: not a clinic. I went to uh the Roth conference, 344 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: and I met this guy in Chicago, uh you know, 345 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: a few years ago named Ted Roth, and he goes, 346 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: why don't you come down to our conference about solar 347 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: and alternative energy. So I went down there and I 348 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: noticed that there were very few women of power there 349 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: and they were a handful of minorities out of uh, 350 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, African Americans out of probably ten thousand people. 351 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: And so I'm like, man, we're getting left behind in 352 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: in the in the uh you know, in the energy business. 353 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: And we're also being left behind, you know, in the 354 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: in the tech world. So um, you know, I I 355 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: was trying to trying to take some people with me, uh, 356 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, to you know, continue this, uh, you know, 357 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: the thing that we started. And it's very interesting. I 358 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: mean I love it. I'm not an expert at any 359 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, by any means, but I'm I'm pretty knowledge 360 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: going the subject after you know, after all these years. 361 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I got some great partners. I got 362 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: some some great partners across the US. You know, I 363 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: got Native Electric, I mean net Electric here in California. 364 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: You know that's a minority owned you know. I got 365 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: sst here in California. I got Ken Knicks in Atlanta, 366 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: next to associates, I got and c UH in Chicago. 367 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: So I've tried to cover myself, uh, you know, all 368 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: over the country. I got Salt Energy in uh in Virginia, 369 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: and so you know in Chicago Electric in Chicago up there, Oh, yeah, 370 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that that's in Chicago from trying to 371 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: cover parts of the world and uh and also trying 372 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: to make uh, you know, make some money at the 373 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: same time to support you know, my family and the 374 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: people that you know surrounding. You know. The thing I 375 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: love it and you talk about is that you know, 376 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: because I I followed your Chicago law that Mercy followed 377 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: your Chicago Cubs followed you to do. I'm sorry I 378 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: brought it up. I'm sorry I brought it up. I'm 379 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: sorry brought it because you know that's okay, learn from 380 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: you learn from it, you learn from because as African America, 381 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm rooting for you, brother. I root for 382 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: black backs, I root for black managers, okay, and black 383 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: head coaches. Brother. I'll just let you know because I 384 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: know the opportunity to achieve to get that job as unique, 385 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: and to achieve the highest level of success is even 386 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: more unique. And so but I love the fact that 387 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: usaid Richard, I'm not gonna just sit at home and 388 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: wait for my next job. I'm gonna make my opportunities now. 389 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: Before we get off the family wines, how can we 390 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: before we go back to Baker how can we get 391 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: I can we purchased gained access to these great wine 392 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: because I gotta get something from my wife. I'm gonna 393 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: just let you know right now, you sound like you 394 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: put a little pressure on yourself. That don's stump man. 395 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you do things like you your It's 396 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: a foolish move. That was a foolish move because because 397 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: like you said, saying, man, that's a that's a trophy case. 398 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. And I'm telling that boot man 399 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: was was a life size boot and it was three 400 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: quarters up there, and for some reason in my stupid mind, 401 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: I went, well, this is worthless. I just threw him away. 402 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: And she came home and she saw that boot empty. 403 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: She go, okay, where are my corks at? I go, huh, 404 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, baby, I felt it was 405 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: just uh, I just threw him away. Man. She didn't, 406 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: she didn't say nothing. She's walked out of the ruin. 407 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: So never listen. You could, yeah, you could. You can 408 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: go online, you know Baker Family Wines dot com. Or 409 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: you can email uh you know the office and B 410 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: n B like b A N D B Wine Company 411 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and uh, you know that will 412 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: happen today. Okay, I'm not surprising because of the fact 413 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: that she's a big fan of you and so happy 414 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: that you're now managing the Asteroids and there was one 415 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: season only, but man, the fact that you're there. But 416 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: more importantly, it's pretty happy to you know what I mean. 417 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm you know, the Lord did this because there's no 418 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: way that I was going in here to go a 419 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: great team like this, and uh, you know, uh, the 420 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: only thing thissen in my baseball career is a championship, 421 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: which I thought my career was over because you know 422 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: now that you know, there's always been you know, you know, 423 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: a certain amount of racial discrimination, but now there's now 424 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: there's age and salary discrimination and intellectual discrimination where everybody 425 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: want to know what college you went to, you know, 426 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: regardless of how much knowledge or how much experience that 427 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: you have. So this is, this gives me opportunity to 428 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: try to win a couple of championships. I need a 429 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven victories, you know, to be uh, 430 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, first African American to win two thousand come 431 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: on down, twelve people. So um, you know, this is 432 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: this is kind of a legacy of God, said said yeah, 433 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: and and and it's a great town. You know, like 434 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: you said, I've been going to Houston forever and ever. 435 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: And uh, you know my best friend Ralph Guard the 436 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: one we mentioned earlier, he's the one that that you 437 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: know that's the s in Houston. He said, Baker, I 438 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: was praying for you to get that job and speedy 439 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: that third base. Brother. It was all over right there. 440 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: You know, it's really it's really great. Let I'll be 441 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: remissing if I got to bring up this last business. Okay, 442 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: well you know your you's a chairman along with my man, 443 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: uh Robert cool Bell. If you don't know Robert Coolbell, 444 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: that's from Cool in the Game Cool then and uh 445 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: and a cool Baker Global was about that and uh 446 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: and how that how did that relationship come about? Well, 447 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, like I went to Africa about ten or 448 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: twelve years ago with you know, with uh some baseball 449 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: delegates and also uh you know professor Delaware State as 450 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: her own and uh, you know as I started it, 451 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: uh you know Dave Winfield, when Reggie Smith, o'marmon ya, 452 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: Wendy Lewis Ambassador Bridgewater was there and a brother George 453 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: and Tim from Ghana. So we all went to Ghana 454 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: and uh you know, we came back. Uh you know, 455 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: we came back like you know, knowing that how much 456 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: people are in need in Africa and how you know, 457 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: how we're falling behind, especially in the energy field. So 458 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: I got a call about this is ten years later, 459 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: I get a call from from from Cool Cool, Uh 460 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, Robert Cool Bell Cool in the King. So 461 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: I said, hey man, he goes, I said, how I 462 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: know this is Cool in the Gang and he goes, well, 463 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: kid Griffey Senor is my cousin. So he started singing 464 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: so Fresh and so fresh. I figured out that that 465 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: that it was really him and so and then so 466 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: we started talking. And my daughter who does all my labels, 467 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: she did the Baker Family wine label and she did 468 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: the Cool Baker Global uh uh logo. And so he's 469 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: uh traveled extensively through Africa and performed extensively and so 470 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: uh through Ezra and Cool you know, we went to 471 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: Delaware State, Uh you know, visited them the African Peer 472 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: Review Mechanism. Uh you know, we met a bunch of 473 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: African dignitaries and so we're trying to take uh you know, 474 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: some energy to Africa in the forms of solar or 475 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: co jin or a combination of of of ways. And 476 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: because they don't have lights, you know, and if you 477 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: don't have lights, how do you kids study? How do they? 478 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they don't have hardly nothing. And so, uh, 479 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: you know in that in the you know, they're currently 480 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: of fifty five nations in Africa are in the eight 481 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: p r M. And uh, so this is what we're 482 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: trying to do, even installed some you know, because the 483 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 1: coronavirus you know, I mean people aren't allowed to go. 484 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: But cool, it's really really hooked up there. And so uh, 485 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, his combination of people that you know and 486 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: that you don't know in Africa already and and us 487 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: being in the you know, the energy business. You can't 488 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: do it by ourselves. I mean we need some help, 489 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, which is tough. You know, yeah, team right, 490 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: which is tough to find. And uh and uh but 491 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, if there's a will, there's a way, and 492 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna find, you know, find a way to do it. 493 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'm on the website right now, Baker 494 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: Family Wines website. I wanted right now, you know, all 495 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: going from the dugout to the vineyard. That's what I'm saying, right, guy, 496 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: slide on down, see the team I see with the 497 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: cool glasses on in the venue. You're saying, you know, 498 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at your brother, looking at you. Got those 499 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: sun glasses on. You know they mean that you that 500 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: the turn dark when you walk out in the sunlight. 501 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: I know what you are. I know what you're I 502 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: know what I can't see. I can't see that, but 503 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: that's that's what your trademark. And you walk down the 504 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: street without those glasses. So I go with that dude. 505 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: Who that dude? Exactly? The other day somebody has hey 506 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: words your toothpicks. I don't know my mother. Well, I 507 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: got the email addressed. The gmail I see all listeners 508 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: is our wines. You will be getting the email for 509 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: me today. I'm gonna see see my wife, so you 510 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: know I love her. But more importantly, Dusty, I want 511 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: you to bring you on the show man to say 512 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: thank you for being you, but more importantly, tell your 513 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: story a little bit outside of the baseball world. A 514 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: lot of people were New Zealand, Canada, you know, Ireland. 515 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: They listen to my podcasting, my talk shows. You say, Wow. 516 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: I say wow too, because I don't know who listened 517 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: to New Zealand, but they're listening at that time down 518 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: there in Australia, and it's it's that worldwide effect that 519 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: I wanted when I when I stopped managing Steve Harvey, 520 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: just like you said, your legacy is important, and my 521 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: legacy when I want managing with some bad boys. I 522 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: was looking at you. Think about it. The thing I'm 523 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: really impressed with. I mean, I was pretty good at man, 524 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like it because I couldn't be 525 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: s he got. You got to be exact for a 526 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: man to be a math major. Who I got? I 527 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: got mad respect for you. Man, How did you get 528 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: to do that? I mean, did you like it that much? 529 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna tell you something. It was like 530 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: I avoided it all my life. You know, my I 531 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: could always go back to high school and my and 532 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: my math teacher told me I was good at it. 533 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: But I went to school. I wanted to be anything 534 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: else that can give me an easy grade. Okay, that 535 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: was what That's why I was anything that can give 536 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: me an easy and I struggled. It took me seven 537 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: years to graduate, but only three years once I got 538 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: my act together, you know it was it was four 539 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: years of trying to get get by easy, trying to 540 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: get the easy course to talk to my friends. Hey mean, 541 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: that's an easy grade over the goal, easy grade over there. 542 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: And then I realized, you know something, be who people 543 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: expect you to be, and I'm math man. I went 544 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: in there. Man, I couldn't afford math books, calculus book 545 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: and I would walk in that room, dusty. I would 546 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: look at the board, walk out car one, caw two, 547 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: Carl three without a math book that was al to geometry. 548 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: I said, Mama, please, that's enough. Well, you know some brother, 549 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: I want to thank you. I want to appreciate you 550 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: for saying who you are and being in Houston. Boy, yeah, 551 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: my country that we're gonna when this pandemic ends, and 552 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: when you come down to Atlanta. I got. I got 553 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: a little small fishing leg back behind me. Walking is 554 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: right on my prop. 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As an award winning producer and innovator 597 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: and entertainment, he currently holds roles as president and founder 598 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: of Co Black Films and Co Black Digital, a film 599 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: production and distribution company dedicated to super serving the black 600 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: community worldwide. And he's also president of laugh Out Loud 601 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: and Heartbeat Digital. He's been honored with a Cafe Marca 602 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: Swag Awards. He probably even know about that, something that 603 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: I've gotten involved with and they said, hey, richean who 604 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: you think deserve these awards. He's a celebration of what 605 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: black men are doing that making a difference in our community. 606 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: He's doing that on a daily basis by empowering others 607 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: to reach their life goals from civic leaders, businessman, activist, 608 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: celebrities and everyday day he's one of them. Please welcome 609 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversation, my Man, Cafe Award, Cafe Moko Award, 610 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: Swagger Award on a re Jeff Clanagan, what's up my brother? 611 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: Hey ma man, Jeff Jeff is is year three as usual? 612 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: You know you keep you posted, you know, left up 613 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: the first year when we came on the show with 614 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen that's when laugh Out was busting out, 615 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: and also the you was about to launch the The 616 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Hard Uh Serious Radio Show. All that stuff was 617 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: in this early stages. Give us an update on were 618 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: yet right now? I mean, we're at a really good place, 619 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: and that's because of what's happening in the industry. Um, 620 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: and you know, streaming is obviously now you're you're seeing 621 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: a lot of preps about you know, people a hand 622 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: streaming because a couple nineteen salary. But it was it 623 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: was already on on an upward trend, unbelievable past. Yeah, 624 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: the patients like get now is like it's on fire 625 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: because the people are home when they're watching content. But 626 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: what's changed since the last time we talk, which has been, 627 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: which has been, which has been very beneficial for what 628 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: I've been doing and for obviously for a lot of 629 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: other people looking at get into space, is that when 630 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: we talked last time, when we talked about streaming, the 631 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: notion was, Okay, you got Netflix, we know Disney clusters coming, 632 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: we know HPO Max is coming, we know who is coming. 633 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: But those are all those are all subscription streaming challenge. 634 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: And what's happened is that with the proliferation of the 635 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: subscription challenge, meaning that I'm paying ten dollars, I'm paying 636 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: exactly what happened a whole new wave of of a 637 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: different model called a bob which is advertising the video man, 638 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: which which merely means is like, if you're watching it, 639 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: you can watch it for free with a commercial. So 640 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: then you saw companies like if you have a smart TV, 641 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: you'll see you probably sell all these acts on the 642 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: TV pool, TV to Be and Roku and Amazon Fire, 643 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: like what is all that they're banking? Just streaming platforms 644 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: with audiences but you don't have to subscribe. And what 645 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: ended up happening is that Pludo which was by by 646 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: by Com for like four dred million dollars, and then 647 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: two Bele just reasally by box Kid. I started getting 648 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: all these calls from Pludo and to Be They're like, 649 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: these are in boundary, Like, wait, what's going on here? 650 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: Because I learned my phone just started blowing up these 651 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: black phones looking for content, and it almost figured I 652 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: figured out what I ha to be. You don't need 653 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: you d you don't need to right now. This is 654 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: content king right here. Okay, this is black kick King, 655 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: content king I'm talking to right now. And Jeff Clinic, 656 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: you know, wait, back before anybody thought about recording black 657 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: people and put them on on vhs, DVDs and blue 658 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: rays or whatever you were doing it. So you all 659 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: content a king, so a lots of one. Everybody know 660 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: who I'm talking to right now. Continuous stories sometimes remind 661 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: people who I'm talking to him as you know, you know, 662 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: I was the person the game for what I call director, 663 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: so with VH okay, so this is that all over again. 664 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: But here's what here what when when I started talking 665 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: with the impounds, came pretty figured it out. Like I said, 666 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: where you have all these people, these companies running all 667 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: the data. But here's the purple when it comes to 668 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: our people. Is okay, the average household for black folks, right, 669 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: you probably have your Netflix subscriptions, and you probably and 670 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: you probably have an Apple iTunes for Spotify. Can you're 671 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: gonna listen to your meals? Right? So you got you 672 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 1: got the too. Then if you have if you got kids, 673 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: probably want to jump in a Disney plusic is Disney 674 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: Plus also cousin with ESPN, and so now you've got 675 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: now you've got three subscriptions. Let's say you've got maybe 676 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: one or two other discriptions. But then after that, when 677 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: you turn on your TV, you're looking for free conquest absolutely. 678 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: If you can be on four you living a good life. 679 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: You're living a good life. You shouldn't listen to my show. 680 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: You got sure? You like you, You're like you, you 681 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: You're good. You know what's happened is that these all 682 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: these three AVI platforms that are now coming embedded into 683 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: the smart TVs are blowing up. I mean I can 684 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: tell you like right now, like so we so we've 685 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: just launched Hill. When you know what I'm doing, I 686 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: do it to TV dude, I like the test of 687 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: sy what's going on? So I'm rolling out by the 688 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: end of Beyond Everybody. We launched on Pluto first because 689 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: that was the big one. Like in our first like 690 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: I said yesterday, we had two point seven month billion 691 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: minutes of people watching shows on the on the on 692 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: the channel um our first starting days like, we were 693 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: over sixty one million um views on the thing. So 694 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: people are people are watching. Yeah, the number, the numbers are, 695 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: the numbers are crazy. But what it is is that 696 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: here's what the kids versus versus you're trying to You 697 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: started like a stand alone channel and bring everybody to you. 698 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: I just said, Okay, I'm gonna go to where I 699 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: know people that I know they're on Roku, I know 700 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: they're on Amazon, I know they're in Pludo. You know 701 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So you go to where there's an 702 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: audience that But what's happened on all these platforms is 703 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: that black content is over indexing versus versus mainstream content 704 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: on all the prepapforn black content is just overperformance like 705 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: like period. So that that just kind of tells you 706 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,959 Speaker 1: where the market is. But at the end of the days, 707 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: when your Body New Smart TV people are Body TV, 708 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: you can see these acts on the TV and and 709 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: and that's where we're at. And that's that, and that's 710 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: what we're averaging. A that's it. That's all you need 711 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: to watch. That's so that's that's exact word. So it's 712 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: now obviously we'll cover nineteam the number now days like 713 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: it's really Charles accelerating everything. Well, you know, it's really 714 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: interesting that because that's that is the case. Like you said, 715 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: everybody got their little I G. Talk shows. Now if 716 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: you go at nighttime the six o'clock, it's like about 717 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: on my feet. You know, everybody got a little talk show. 718 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, everybody tried to get Stephen A. Smith hey man, 719 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: Steven to come on my show. I don't even have 720 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 1: the book here no more. He just he's just he's 721 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: just he's self booking himself now. And so because people 722 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: want that content now. But the beauty of it is 723 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: that this is what I like about it, is that 724 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: you're educating people to this form, this platform. And so 725 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: because once people when we're gonna get back to normal, 726 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,919 Speaker 1: well this summer, people start going back to work, games 727 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: to start being played. May not have fans, but there 728 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 1: will be games played. And so that means that these 729 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: athletes and these famous people who have all these at 730 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: night podcast at night I G platform, they're gonna go away. 731 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: Guess who gonna be left? L O L l O 732 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,959 Speaker 1: L Can there waiting doing you come over here? Because 733 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: we're here every day and and that I always love 734 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: talking to you because you have never been a person 735 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: to be stymied by the direction that you were going 736 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: to go, and seeing the opportunity to go over there, 737 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 1: you're quick to pivot. Why what what? What? What makes 738 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: that work for you? Like that you just are you 739 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: a forecaster or you you have to say visionary in 740 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: some aspect, but you're not not afraid to pivot away 741 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: from the original plan. Well, I think you know, here's 742 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: the thing. What I find in entertainment. My background is 743 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: I have a business backm and I got into entertainment. 744 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: Now I got an entertainment and learned business. So for me, 745 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: there's a bus the mindset. So I'm not attached to 746 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: any one thing. If I'm doing this and you gotta go, 747 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: you gotta go from May to be at that, it 748 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. Where a lot of people will I 749 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: find out, you know, even a lot of business people, 750 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: they get stuck in a box and if you if 751 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: it goes outside of the box, they have trouble adjusting. 752 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm gonna I'm gonna always adjust to 753 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: the business model. But what happens is that with you know, 754 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: with technology and social media. Here's what people are understand 755 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,959 Speaker 1: is that the consumer is going to drive your business model. 756 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: If they want to listen to read up, they will listen. 757 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: You have to go to what the consumer saying. You 758 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: can no longer push your business model on the consumer 759 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: because the consumer is going to tell you how they 760 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: want to consume content or or how they want to 761 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: even be entertained. And you have to be able to 762 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: be flexible and just you can't be so caught up 763 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: because you spent nine months putting together a business plan 764 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden the business change. You can't 765 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 1: get so caught up. And that you gotta be able 766 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: to you gotta be able to reflect and adjustice I mean, 767 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the first thing, the first thing I 768 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: did when when we were in the quarantine, I put 769 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: three animated projects in productive and I like that. Okay, 770 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: I can't do the protective a little animators, absolutely absolutely, 771 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: and that's why I love it. But no, you know 772 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: it's my man master p days. If you have to 773 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: be able to pivot back then you know n w 774 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: A days, you know, straight out of competent dating. So 775 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: that whole world and then the fact that you're one 776 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: of the vision areas behind, you know, going to comedians, 777 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: gonna look, I can shoot your video, I can shoot 778 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: your commedy special, and we can sell these stories back 779 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: when stories because remember you had Steve Harvey. Now we 780 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: should go to like and do like, go to these 781 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: different record stores when they will open, and do signing 782 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: dates for all these DVDs and all these ways they 783 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: were dropping. And so then then they became streaming, and 784 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: so when you look at all this competition and all 785 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: these things that you have out there, it really it's 786 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: really important that when I hear you go look Roushano, 787 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm frustrated, just like everybody else. I didn't see the 788 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: pandemic coming, just like everybody else. But what I couldn't 789 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,439 Speaker 1: do it just says I don't go oh always me, Okay, 790 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: I got animators, animators got computers, they got WiFi. Let's 791 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: get busy, let's get big. See it's just like my staff. 792 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 1: We do zoom zoom meetings at eight thirty in the morning, 793 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: and we do zoom meets at four o'clock in the afternoon. 794 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 1: We do daily function. Because I'm in the digital I'm 795 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: in the social media. I'm into a podcast. I'm into 796 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: like right now, I'm just gonna recording my show. Somebody 797 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: at their house is gonna chop this show up and 798 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,720 Speaker 1: then it's gonna go into syndicational radio on my thirty 799 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: radio stations. And that's how it works. But you're not 800 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: allowing yourself to be frustrated by the process. And I 801 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: say this because it's always funny when you come on 802 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: my show. Jeff Clanning because you are the you know, 803 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: you're running Kevin Hart brand, laugh out loud, the heartbeat Digital, 804 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: and this is the side of the business that is 805 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: equally as powerful and equally as possible as popular as 806 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: Kevin Hart himself. And that's why it's important that people 807 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: understand that that, you know, you gotta surround yourself with 808 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: people who understand the business, are not frustrated by it, 809 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 1: and also have a history of success. That's you, Jeff Clanican, 810 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: that's you all as you all day long, my friend, 811 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: all day long. Appreciated. So explain to us. You know, 812 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: when you realized that this was not going to be 813 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: a short term stay at home, did it cause you 814 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: to move some production schedules up, or we arrange your 815 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: content or pull out old content because you know, because 816 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: people are watching more, that means that you have to 817 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: refresh a lot quicker. Correct that that is correct. I mean, 818 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: that's why I think I had to make a real 819 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: quick suggesting like I had. I had six productions that 820 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: were about to go into production, like big production, and 821 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 1: three of them were starring Kevin. So what I did, 822 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 1: like it was it was it was like a quick pivot. 823 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: But so what I did is in my so in 824 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: my two thousand one plan, I had planned the boom 825 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: moving the animation like a big way from animation, right, 826 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: so I just okay, you know, as we go to 827 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: the production hole, I call it the animated up who 828 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 1: were sitting at home like the computer. Then inner that 829 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: and we've got I've got I've got three series in 830 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 1: production meaning and getting animated right now because I already 831 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: had writings and stuff right now, so we are just 832 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,359 Speaker 1: fast track and put everything and everything in fast track 833 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: and started to focus on the animation right now, right 834 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: right now. And so that that's the part of the 835 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: platform that's working now now when I go to the platform, 836 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna pull it up right here, you know 837 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: you've got colds Balls well season three, Kevin Hard of course, 838 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: and then you have you know, the Kevin Best, the 839 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: fresh episodes, your favorite episodes, Kevin's favorites. You know, it's 840 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: just it's just a it's just a comedy in its finance. 841 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: And so so are you chopping up the specials? Are you? 842 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: Are you? Are you front loading news specials? Where are 843 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: you coming back? Because you know when they did that 844 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: deaf comedy Jam specially on people doing comedy from their home. 845 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that would work for me. So 846 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: because everything everything's been shut down, you know, live if 847 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: it's been shut down, so that you know, doing the 848 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: animated is great, but you know, the hardest soul of 849 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: what you do is tied to audience interaction exactly now. 850 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 1: The thing about it, but I don't know. I haven't 851 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: talked to you. But the other thing I had got 852 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: back into you may not. You probably don't know because 853 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: I was playing above, but I was actually producing um 854 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: nick can a While Now tour which we had on 855 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: the road. Yeah, yeah, we were playing. We were knocking 856 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: out ten ten eleven to remember that came down. Yeah, 857 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: we had to shut it down. But part of that 858 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: is we were going to shoot that as a special 859 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the tour. That was the whole thing. 860 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: We had cameras going during the tour. UM and I 861 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: had some mother life, so obviously I had to put 862 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: a pin in that UM Interns the special. That was 863 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 1: probably if I had to say, if anything to hit 864 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: my business the hardest look that because I was really 865 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: going aggressively into the live business, with the Wild Now 866 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: tour being the first one um and and so like 867 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,720 Speaker 1: you just meant to something. What's not working on social 868 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: digital is comedians trying to do stand up comedy on 869 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 1: I G and then musicians can do it and they 870 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: can sing, but trying to do stand up with our 871 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: audience and just don't know people trying it. So it's 872 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: just it's not working at all. It's just not UM. 873 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: So my thing is, I got attendant. I I believe 874 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: there's a window in gonna be July, Augusteptember, I go 875 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: back and shoot. But we don't know what's gonna happen 876 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,879 Speaker 1: in the fall, if the flu is gonna come back 877 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: in the winter. So I when when we when we 878 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: have this potential window, I'm gonna I'm gonna knock out 879 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,320 Speaker 1: a budget productions, um stand up and everything and live stuff. 880 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: In terms of touring stuff, I think that's gonna be 881 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: a two thousand one because I just don't see it 882 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 1: by fall, letting you know, ten dialing people back in 883 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: unless the league. I think the League, the NBA and 884 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: the and the lead they're gonna take the front and 885 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: there wasn't gonna have to break the ground in terms 886 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: of okay, we can now go to an arena we 887 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: can go to a stadium and if that if it, 888 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: if it's safe, then then I think you'll see the 889 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: live touring stuff open Meaga. But I still think that's 890 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,239 Speaker 1: twenty one absolute, especially when uh California said, hey, we 891 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: canceling everything everything, concerts, football, error, anything has a crowd 892 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: and we counsel it. But I do believe I've been 893 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: an advocate of Jeff of saying, hey, we gotta get 894 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: back out there, but we just gotta have the what 895 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: are the rules to to be able to socialize? You know, 896 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 1: you know that's what that's what nobody's giving us right now. 897 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: And so when I look at the program and it's 898 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,720 Speaker 1: being put out there, and I've seen these stand ups online, 899 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand up. When I see him online trying 900 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: to do stand up at the house, I go, this 901 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: is not working. Who is tapping the folks just can't work, 902 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: just can't work. And when they did that, you know, 903 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: and it's a couple of people have called me, you know, 904 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: we sure you used to do stuff, Hey, hey used to, 905 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: used to used to and definitely like coming on on 906 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: on ne York Instagram fee trying to do stand up 907 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: with no crowd Okay, So I don't need that level 908 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: of an embarrassment in my life. So but but you 909 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: do have some great productions that you have completed. It's 910 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,479 Speaker 1: the die Hard with you know, Jonathan Folto and Kevin Hard. 911 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: That's well, y'all, I know what I'll do a play 912 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: on this man's last name, Kevin Hard die Hard talk 913 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,879 Speaker 1: to us about Ted and then yea, yea, y'all. Silly man, y'all, 914 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: you you silly Kevin Hard. Silly, just silly people out 915 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: there making a lot of money, man. That's all. Well, 916 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 1: you know what's funny was about that is that we 917 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: did that with Quimby. Quimby is the new swinging platform 918 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,760 Speaker 1: that just larged, yes, about a month ago for promotile devices, 919 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: and it's it's killing movie. So basically Baky shot an 920 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,440 Speaker 1: eighty minute narrative movie in chapter. So there's there's ten cha, 921 00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: just ten eight minute chapters. Right. Um, the we finished, 922 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: I think he sends the right in February. Um, with 923 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: the dynamic with Kevin and John was hilarious. That was 924 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: to say, probably one of the best UM performances, just 925 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,879 Speaker 1: because because the interest with John really raised the level 926 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,839 Speaker 1: of the acting and the performance, but it's it's once 927 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: again we're experimented with new format with Quimby, which is 928 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: director short short form exactly. It was, it was, it 929 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: was a great experience. It's a great we're actually working 930 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 1: on diying hard too. Right now. It came out some 931 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: working on dock Team. But now let's listen explaining about 932 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: what Quimby really does. Okay, it could be like ten 933 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: to fifteen minutes, and so that's what he said. Now, 934 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: are they like um Netflix where you can just binge 935 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: all the episodes or or they come out on a 936 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,839 Speaker 1: daily basis or a weekly basis. Well, we'll see. That's 937 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: so what happened when they first started UM it was 938 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,360 Speaker 1: they want to do it on a daily basis of 939 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: weekly versus ben. But I think the audience, you know, 940 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 1: they're looking at the audience metician question. I think that 941 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: because I'm seeing some of the shows where they putting 942 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 1: them all up as bende and so once again, the 943 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: audience it's gonna drive how they're going to release the episode. 944 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 1: So they came out with a model, but then they're 945 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,800 Speaker 1: getting the audience feedback on how they want to see stuff. 946 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 1: So I do believe they're gonna put stuff out from 947 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: a bench at that point, because that's that's what the 948 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 1: audience and how they're used to watch and stuff on 949 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,800 Speaker 1: from the scream at that point. Yeah, that's really interesting 950 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: because of the fact that you know, uh, you know 951 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 1: Disney was like that when Disney, because I have Disney 952 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 1: Plus of course, and I got Disney Plus and uh, Mandalarian, Okay, 953 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: it came out every amazing, it came out every week, 954 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: so I had to wait the next week to see 955 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 1: the episode. And it was really smart because it was 956 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: a really good series. And so so I'm sure pretty 957 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 1: sure that worked for them because guess what, every week 958 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: I was right there. Otherwise they just have me for 959 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 1: one one weekend and I was I was gone. And 960 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,879 Speaker 1: so but that was a really really great series, The Mandalarian. 961 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: Of course, Netflix has started the model of ben watching 962 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,279 Speaker 1: bench watching. But I think that because of Quimbies. It's 963 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: a short form. It forces you to want to see 964 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: the next one to keep your energy going. You know, 965 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, it's fifteen minute, d I need to 966 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: see something else here. I got time on my hands 967 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,839 Speaker 1: and so so so that's that's why it's really great. 968 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,839 Speaker 1: And when I look at Kevin and what he's done. 969 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: I saw him because so I mean Hobbs and Shaw 970 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: and who's funny in that? And and this guy is 971 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,879 Speaker 1: just this this a great person, but a person who 972 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: And I was doing some interview and I told him, 973 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 1: I said, I really believe that Kevin will with an 974 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 1: oscar in his career because he really really can act. 975 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,919 Speaker 1: He has a. He has an, he has a. He said, 976 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,200 Speaker 1: He's like our version of what Robin Williams was in 977 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: that era, because Robin Williams could be very funny, he 978 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 1: could act and very serious, and Kevin is to playing 979 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 1: those same qualities in his own way. I'm not saying 980 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: he's Robert Williams, but he's Kevin Hot in his own 981 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,720 Speaker 1: way and with those qualities. But one of the qualities 982 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: I really liked about you is that your ability to 983 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: give back. And the last time we've talked about the 984 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: internship program you created at L O L and Howard 985 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,800 Speaker 1: would I tunes for young people to build their resume 986 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: and experience. What's the update on that program, Jeff, Well, Actually, 987 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,840 Speaker 1: since the last time we talked, I actually kept for 988 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: my summer intern program, which is basically intern program for 989 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: social media and marketing. Um, you got bringing like four 990 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 1: to six students and actually we're putting together our our 991 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,560 Speaker 1: team for this summer. But I actually I actually kept 992 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,320 Speaker 1: two of them while they were at school. Okay, okay, 993 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: look they were doing so good. So I had them 994 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: doing You couldn't kick him to the curve. You could 995 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,839 Speaker 1: kick him to the curve, so I had to keep 996 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 1: him going. Like they were doing such a good job. 997 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: They were doing such a good job. I kept two 998 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: of the school. What's obviously is helping pay for their school. 999 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: But they so they worked for me. They do like 1000 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: ten hours a week from you know, from school, and 1001 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,720 Speaker 1: so they stayed on and then they're coming back the summer. 1002 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,759 Speaker 1: But they were doing really well, they really picked up everything. Um, 1003 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,880 Speaker 1: and I literally kept them on, so sail. What happened 1004 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: is those two will help lead this new team that's 1005 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: I'm bringing in in the summer, right right, right right, 1006 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 1: and now he got to be the team leaders. Now 1007 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: is it the way that Okay, have my listeners and 1008 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: other people, how could want can one participate to want 1009 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: to apply? Or how does this work? Yeah? Well, let 1010 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: me tell let me tell you what I was. I 1011 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,960 Speaker 1: was on the way to doing Um, we so we 1012 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 1: when we were shooting our Ken Either back story. So 1013 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 1: when we finished that hard we were in Atlantic. Kevin 1014 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: had another movie, um he was gonna do, so he 1015 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: was gonna be in Atlanta until until June, and so 1016 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: we were gonna shoot because we have an interview show 1017 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,400 Speaker 1: that Kevin is doing kind of like the Dave Letterman 1018 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 1: show called Heart to Heart, and so we were gonna 1019 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: shoot these in Atlanta. But what I was going to 1020 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,799 Speaker 1: do was set up a program at Spellman and more 1021 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,319 Speaker 1: House to have students work on the work, actually work 1022 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: on the production. Temple was marketing like a whole corrictlum, 1023 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: because we were gonna be there for three or four months. 1024 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,440 Speaker 1: So honestly, you can't do that. So I gotta I 1025 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 1: gotta see something milk. But I it was I was 1026 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 1: going to accelerate because we have a lot of productions 1027 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of people in school. I don't get productive. 1028 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna have a kind of a production internship program. Also. 1029 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 1: Um now I just I don't know if we're gonna 1030 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: go back on that, and so we don't. Well, I 1031 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 1: have to figure out something else to do during the 1032 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,440 Speaker 1: summer on it. But yes, there is opportunity for other 1033 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 1: students to do to do different things right now be 1034 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,239 Speaker 1: centered around social media until I figure out what the 1035 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,959 Speaker 1: production strategy is going to be. Jeff, Uh, you know, Okay, 1036 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,919 Speaker 1: year four, Okay, I know it's gonna be a different 1037 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,880 Speaker 1: Jeff clinic and story of success in pilot and uh 1038 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 1: and making a difference because I know that every year 1039 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 1: you've you know, because you pitched some ideas of me 1040 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: participating in certain format to reach on has changed and 1041 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't. And I understand that I would relate to that, 1042 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: and I understand that you are clearly understanding that. Look, 1043 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,880 Speaker 1: when I walk in this room, it may be Tuesday, 1044 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 1: but it may be a different tuestan who was last Tuesday, 1045 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,799 Speaker 1: and be prepared to make those adjustments. And congratulations man. 1046 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: As always, I'm talking to Jeff Planning, the president and 1047 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,400 Speaker 1: found of Cold Black Films and Digital. Cold Black Digital. 1048 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,719 Speaker 1: That's when I met him. Now he's the president of 1049 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 1: Laugh Out Loud and Heartbeached Heartbeat Digital. He's changing the 1050 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: game and also changing lives. 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USA Today called him the most 1076 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,080 Speaker 1: powerful talent in the sports business just a year ago, 1077 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: and he followed it up with his best year as 1078 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 1: a professional. He has reshaped sports talk and it is 1079 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: the most socially engaged talent sports media talent in social 1080 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 1: media today is really incredible. He is the face of ESPN. 1081 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: He is the man. Please workome the money making conversation, 1082 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,640 Speaker 1: my man, stephen A. Smith, what's going on, man, I'm 1083 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,080 Speaker 1: doing really good. Steven there, you know, uh, you know, 1084 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,960 Speaker 1: I know. He just finished a couple of hours on 1085 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: first take. So the energy is up there, you know 1086 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 1: every day you let me tell you so, stephen A 1087 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 1: going into the show because you're pretty laid back guy, 1088 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,640 Speaker 1: You're not. You're not the guy we see on TV 1089 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,400 Speaker 1: for two hours, correct, No, not for two not the 1090 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 1: guy you see on you know for two hours. I 1091 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,560 Speaker 1: know how to wind down and relax and be a 1092 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,400 Speaker 1: little mellow. I paced myself and could serve my energy 1093 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,560 Speaker 1: for one It's time. I'm very big on that and 1094 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,920 Speaker 1: it's really important because of the fact that you have 1095 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,080 Speaker 1: so much to say, but sometimes it's all about sports, 1096 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: and you know, and you know, I also have conversations 1097 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,840 Speaker 1: about hey man, I want to tell a different story 1098 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,080 Speaker 1: about my life. And so there's rumors there's a book 1099 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 1: in the making. And why do you feel it's important 1100 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: that you write a book. Well, I think there's a 1101 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 1: lot of people that you know, talk about me, and 1102 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: they have a lot of things to say, But there 1103 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: are a lot of things that I don't talk about 1104 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 1: on television or radio. There's a lot of things that 1105 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,120 Speaker 1: I don't get into particularly as extensively as I would 1106 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,920 Speaker 1: get into it, uh And and as ittains to a book. 1107 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,760 Speaker 1: So you know, people have been on me. You're one 1108 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,440 Speaker 1: of those people that have been all over me of 1109 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 1: our writing a book for years and years and years. 1110 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,400 Speaker 1: And so I finally, you know, during you know, once 1111 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,760 Speaker 1: this coronavirus UH kicked in and obviously the sports world 1112 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,960 Speaker 1: and the world overall has been brought to a halt um. 1113 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,240 Speaker 1: It's given me an opportunity to reflect and where where's 1114 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people are going through some hard times. 1115 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,320 Speaker 1: All of us are to some degree an incredible adjustment 1116 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,840 Speaker 1: that we all have to make. I also look for 1117 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,919 Speaker 1: opportunities when they present themselves, and the opportunity to sit down, 1118 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,280 Speaker 1: to hunker down and to be a bit introspective, uh 1119 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,439 Speaker 1: and and really really get into what I want to say, 1120 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 1: why I want to say things that I want to say, 1121 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,200 Speaker 1: and how I want to go about thing is this, 1122 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,080 Speaker 1: This coronavirus situation has afforded me the opportunity to be 1123 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,200 Speaker 1: more introspective than I've ever been. And as a result, 1124 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,440 Speaker 1: instead of thinking about the hustle and bustle that exists 1125 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,120 Speaker 1: in the real world, it allowed me to step back, 1126 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 1: be a bit introverted and come out, you know, swinging 1127 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,080 Speaker 1: run It's time right, you know, you're you know really 1128 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,280 Speaker 1: the thing that I always enjoyed when I talk to 1129 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,440 Speaker 1: you is about giving. And you understand the role of 1130 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,960 Speaker 1: the employer and the employee, and you always promote employees 1131 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,160 Speaker 1: giving one cent to the employee. Explained to us exactly 1132 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: what you mean by that, Well, if you're working for 1133 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,200 Speaker 1: somebody else, you're not winning unless your employer wins. And 1134 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,000 Speaker 1: I understand, and I've learned to understand that the hard 1135 01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,960 Speaker 1: way through trials and tribulations that I've endured in my career, 1136 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: you're not winning. If your employer is losing, you must 1137 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,760 Speaker 1: first ensure their success and then master how to reach 1138 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 1: the benefits from it. That's it's really a two pronged 1139 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,480 Speaker 1: agenda that you should have. You shouldn't be about the 1140 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,440 Speaker 1: business of getting yours without getting these because that's not 1141 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,080 Speaker 1: winners due. And you shouldn't be about the business of 1142 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,040 Speaker 1: ensuring that they get the is but ignoring yourself, because 1143 01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,200 Speaker 1: that's not when what winners do either. It's the collaborate. 1144 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: It's the collaboration of both ideas, agendas, et cetera coming 1145 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,320 Speaker 1: together that breeds true success. And even if you became 1146 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, it's like thinking about your bottom line without 1147 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,000 Speaker 1: thinking about the consumer that you're looking to patronize your product. 1148 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. You can't possibly win as 1149 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur if you're not giving the consumer what they covered, 1150 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,320 Speaker 1: because in the end, you're not gonna have any kind 1151 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,720 Speaker 1: of sustained success because you paid attention to your needs 1152 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,440 Speaker 1: instead of paying attention to the needs of others. And 1153 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,800 Speaker 1: when you learn to pay attention to the needs of others, 1154 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,960 Speaker 1: that ultimately it breeds success because again, you thought about 1155 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,840 Speaker 1: something not instead of yourself, but something that extends the 1156 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,960 Speaker 1: yawned yourself, thereby ensuring the success of a multitude of 1157 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,520 Speaker 1: people as opposed to you. So if the ultimately hit 1158 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: a pitfall, whole bunch of folks that you initiated successful, 1159 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,280 Speaker 1: that you've benefited, not that you just benefited Trump, but 1160 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,000 Speaker 1: you made sure they've benefited from you. You have them 1161 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 1: incentivized to uplift you and to not keep you lying down. Well, 1162 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 1: that means that basically even in because we always think 1163 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,920 Speaker 1: about it, you know, from an employee in forty hours week, 1164 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 1: I go do my time and you're saying, hey, do 1165 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,640 Speaker 1: your time. If you do more than your time, you 1166 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,560 Speaker 1: give then the benefits of the employer, of which means 1167 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,600 Speaker 1: that that company can sustain yourself longer, which means that 1168 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: may be raises, maybe promotions available. But if you we're on, 1169 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,840 Speaker 1: if you're on giving fifties, then who is that benefited. 1170 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,000 Speaker 1: It's not gonna benefit you. That's basically what you And 1171 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: that's one of the important reasons why I always promote 1172 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,240 Speaker 1: a career instead of a job, because the job is doing. 1173 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: What you have to do is to sustain or elevate 1174 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,120 Speaker 1: your quality of life for the career is doing what 1175 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: you want to do, and it's just as to do 1176 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,000 Speaker 1: those things as well. And the reason why the career 1177 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 1: is important because the job is when you punch in 1178 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,160 Speaker 1: the clock, you're looking at how much time you have 1179 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 1: to dedicate to this particular pass at hand, and the 1180 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,720 Speaker 1: days are longer and the hours are longer, and just 1181 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,680 Speaker 1: to plight of your responsibilities are far more arduous and cumbersome. 1182 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,240 Speaker 1: As a result of that, you can't possibly be given 1183 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,480 Speaker 1: a full fledged effort because you're operating devoid of enthusiasm. 1184 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,080 Speaker 1: But when you're doing the things that you want to do, 1185 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,440 Speaker 1: you're not paying as much attention to the clock, the time, 1186 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,400 Speaker 1: the commitment that is required because you're enjoying what you're doing, 1187 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,320 Speaker 1: and therefore it becomes almost effortless and as a result, 1188 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,760 Speaker 1: you're not thinking about the eight hours or the nine 1189 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: hours that you have to put in there. Sometimes you 1190 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 1: might put in sixty seventy hours a week without even scratching, 1191 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 1: without even batting an eye, because you're doing something that 1192 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: you're enjoying. When I find people, you know, people can 1193 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,360 Speaker 1: stead up there and say, okay, he's got some success 1194 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,040 Speaker 1: and know he's earned a little cash. Now and all 1195 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 1: of this other stuff. But I swear to you are Sean. 1196 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 1: The number one thing that has people envious or jealous 1197 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,120 Speaker 1: of me in my career that I haven't counted is 1198 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,800 Speaker 1: that they know I enjoy my work. They can't say 1199 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 1: the same in a lot of situations about themselves. It's 1200 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,800 Speaker 1: not the success I read. It's the fact that when 1201 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: I've got to bust my tail and work hours upon 1202 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,400 Speaker 1: hours a day, it doesn't seem to phase me. The 1203 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,280 Speaker 1: sacrifices that I have to make, it doesn't seem to 1204 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 1: phase me. It's not that it's literally true where certain 1205 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,560 Speaker 1: things will phase you that time. I mean, you can 1206 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,880 Speaker 1: get tired, you can get sleepy, you might be sick, 1207 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. But overall, buying large, I'm 1208 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,880 Speaker 1: living a good life. It's not because of the money 1209 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 1: I make. It's because of the enjoyment that I get 1210 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 1: from earning my money first, and then obviously the money 1211 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,120 Speaker 1: comes after. It really amazing me that you know, when 1212 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,800 Speaker 1: I when I look at your brand, you know and 1213 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,320 Speaker 1: I've watched you, we known you alone time and uh 1214 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,200 Speaker 1: when we've been both part of personal ups and downs 1215 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,240 Speaker 1: and each other's career and it supported each other in 1216 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:12,680 Speaker 1: both instances. So what makes you so popular now, stephen A? 1217 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,800 Speaker 1: What you know? You know what what what? What? What? 1218 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,600 Speaker 1: What made it pop? You know what made you explosive? 1219 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,320 Speaker 1: And you know you drop a video goes viral on Twitter. 1220 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,600 Speaker 1: You know your your likes and your followers explode on 1221 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,680 Speaker 1: Instagram because because in the Instagram account. You just started 1222 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,200 Speaker 1: Instagram account like two years ago. Right, it wasn't that 1223 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,920 Speaker 1: long ago. There's almost three mania. Well, well, first of all, 1224 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,720 Speaker 1: you would know because you're the one that convinced me 1225 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,720 Speaker 1: to start it. That's number one. Uh. Number two, you 1226 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,840 Speaker 1: would know a lot about my career because you were 1227 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,600 Speaker 1: there to help me when I was down and out, 1228 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,200 Speaker 1: which is why I brought you onto my business manager, 1229 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 1: because you're somebody I can trust. Number three, Um, to 1230 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,760 Speaker 1: answer the question directly, I think people know I'm not 1231 01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,760 Speaker 1: a board artist, that I mean what I say, and 1232 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,160 Speaker 1: I say what I mean and they know it, and 1233 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,040 Speaker 1: and and and as a result, I'm trustworthy. It doesn't 1234 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,120 Speaker 1: mean that I'm gonna be right of the time, a 1235 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,640 Speaker 1: devoid of making mistakes or anything like that. It means 1236 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: that people know I don't lollygag. I put forth a 1237 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 1: full fledged effort. I strive to be great at whatever 1238 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,320 Speaker 1: I choose to do. I'm relentless in my pursuit of it, and, 1239 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:30,800 Speaker 1: more importantly than anything else, whatever I perceive as my truth, 1240 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:35,000 Speaker 1: based on the information that I have a quiet people 1241 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,400 Speaker 1: know and trust that I'm going to give it to them. 1242 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,040 Speaker 1: I don't let them down in that regard. Even on 1243 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,120 Speaker 1: the rare occasions when I've been wrong, people see me 1244 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,440 Speaker 1: say I was wrong, period. There's no excuses. This is 1245 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,960 Speaker 1: what it is. And so when you've been count to 1246 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: somebody in this damn age full of b s, when 1247 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,400 Speaker 1: you see people around here full of bs you know, 1248 01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,480 Speaker 1: double talking, trying to take short cut short cut and 1249 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,880 Speaker 1: and and and basically implement a cliff notes version of 1250 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,160 Speaker 1: things in their life. And then you encounter somebody whose 1251 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,720 Speaker 1: resume and whose persona tells you I'm about anything but 1252 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,720 Speaker 1: your cuts, and I'm gonna be as real and as 1253 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,080 Speaker 1: authentic as I possibly can be. I think the number 1254 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,560 Speaker 1: one ingredients to my success is that people trust me 1255 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,720 Speaker 1: to be exactly who the hell I say I am, 1256 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 1: and they can appreciate that that is absolutely the truth. 1257 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 1: I have not been there, you know, Stephen. I'm trying 1258 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,400 Speaker 1: to do this interview, man, like I don't really know yet. 1259 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying I can get some questions out there. You know, 1260 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,560 Speaker 1: you have to tell everybody about our little business together. Man, 1261 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to keep you know what I'm not 1262 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,280 Speaker 1: gonna do. What I'm not gonna do. And I've always 1263 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,640 Speaker 1: and I've always been big about that. Listen, there are people. 1264 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,400 Speaker 1: Do you realize there are people in my business radio 1265 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,240 Speaker 1: and in television. There are people who have, for example, 1266 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 1: radio shows and they have partners, but their name is 1267 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,080 Speaker 1: on the radio show and not the partner. Stuff like that. 1268 01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,560 Speaker 1: I don't operate that way. I'm very, very very big 1269 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:17,360 Speaker 1: on giving people credit who deserve credit. People are showers. 1270 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,280 Speaker 1: Timular an interview with my colleague Dan Lebertar to ESPN 1271 01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,960 Speaker 1: just last week, and I was talking about folks that 1272 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,960 Speaker 1: and and mel Khyper Jr. Was on the air with 1273 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,120 Speaker 1: me the other day and I was talking about how 1274 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,639 Speaker 1: he's forgotten more football than I know. Or Dan Lebertar 1275 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,400 Speaker 1: was one of the people that spearheaded the way for 1276 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,960 Speaker 1: people like myself to further into this business. And they 1277 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,439 Speaker 1: don't want to hear stuff like that because you know, 1278 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,640 Speaker 1: they're humble dudes, very accomplished, but they're embarrassed to some 1279 01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,920 Speaker 1: degree by the praise. I give it to them anyway, 1280 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,280 Speaker 1: because I know I'm humble, and I want to make 1281 01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,600 Speaker 1: sure to remind people I didn't get here alone. And 1282 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stay here on top because I intend 1283 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,200 Speaker 1: to be on top for a long time. I'm not 1284 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 1: gonna stay here own the people who helped me. I'm 1285 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,559 Speaker 1: gonna carry right along with me, because that's how I wrote. 1286 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,479 Speaker 1: Wendy Williams show You Take It. A couple of weeks ago, 1287 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,719 Speaker 1: you appeared on it, and at the end of the show, 1288 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure it caught your God, she started crying when 1289 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,599 Speaker 1: you complimented your son. You know, did that catch you off? 1290 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,000 Speaker 1: What was your reaction to that? I'm sure it was 1291 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,559 Speaker 1: a good reaction, but it was. It caught me off. 1292 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,000 Speaker 1: It cut me off guard. I really really appreciated, um. 1293 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,760 Speaker 1: I really appreciated what I considered to be a very 1294 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,880 Speaker 1: authentic reaction on her part, because regardless of what she's 1295 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,320 Speaker 1: going through in her life, or what she's going through 1296 01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,080 Speaker 1: in her life at a particular moment, in particular moments, 1297 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,519 Speaker 1: first of all, she is a great talent um and 1298 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,160 Speaker 1: number two, she has always pledged and has displayed and 1299 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,599 Speaker 1: I'm dying devotion to her son. I know her son 1300 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,439 Speaker 1: is a fan of mine, that he's a sports fan, 1301 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,800 Speaker 1: um and and he's already a couple of times I 1302 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,080 Speaker 1: met him once or twice. He was incredibly kind and 1303 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,680 Speaker 1: plus he's a young kid on the come up that 1304 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,560 Speaker 1: has a promise in life ahead of him because of 1305 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,000 Speaker 1: the life his mama has provided for him. And so 1306 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,599 Speaker 1: I just wanted to pay you know, she was kind 1307 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,960 Speaker 1: enough to have me on our show, and I wanted 1308 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,400 Speaker 1: to take the opportunity to pay tribute to her um 1309 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,639 Speaker 1: as a mom by just showing her son some love. 1310 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,120 Speaker 1: Because if you know anything about mama's it's very very 1311 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,280 Speaker 1: important to them that their children received some love. And 1312 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,920 Speaker 1: so he deserves it. Um, he deserves it, and I 1313 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,680 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I gave it to him. 1314 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,559 Speaker 1: But I did not expect that reaction, but I did 1315 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,720 Speaker 1: consider it very authentic on her part and very very real. 1316 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,479 Speaker 1: And I was honored that she had me on her show, 1317 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,960 Speaker 1: um And I was honored that she was touched by, 1318 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,639 Speaker 1: you know, my cond words towards her son. Because Wendy 1319 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,400 Speaker 1: Williams is a person that can't create controversial about the 1320 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,960 Speaker 1: type of question that she asks and and this interview 1321 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,600 Speaker 1: was was a powerful interview from the standpoint of you 1322 01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,479 Speaker 1: allowed to be stephen A and she was allowed to 1323 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,200 Speaker 1: be windy. And it came across as an author any 1324 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,800 Speaker 1: that what you always talking about maintaining Well, I will 1325 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,640 Speaker 1: say this, and I'll say this. I understand her reputation 1326 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,639 Speaker 1: and I get all of that, but you know, there's 1327 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,920 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with saying no comment. There's nothing wrong with 1328 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,200 Speaker 1: saying I'm not going there, and it's necessary none of 1329 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,479 Speaker 1: your business. And so she she didn't take me to 1330 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,800 Speaker 1: that point, but as she took me to that point, 1331 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm perfectly capable of saying I'm not broaching certain subjects 1332 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,400 Speaker 1: about my personal life or anything like that. I was 1333 01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,720 Speaker 1: glad that she didn't do it, But if she had 1334 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,599 Speaker 1: done it, it would not have surprised me because that's 1335 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,800 Speaker 1: part of her show. And and and in fairness to her, 1336 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,080 Speaker 1: it's not like she's blindsiding you with it. That's her show, 1337 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,439 Speaker 1: that's who she is. And if and if you come 1338 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,240 Speaker 1: on a show, you know, it's not like folks didn't know. 1339 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,720 Speaker 1: And a lot of times hosts get discredited and maligned 1340 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,000 Speaker 1: for being who they are. People knew exactly what they 1341 01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,600 Speaker 1: were walking into, chose to walk into it anyway, and 1342 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,720 Speaker 1: then the blame her. I'm not down with that at all. 1343 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,719 Speaker 1: I knew what the end ofview was going to be about. 1344 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,639 Speaker 1: She was very honest and forthcoming about what the subject 1345 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,360 Speaker 1: matter was going to be. She stayed true to that, 1346 01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,000 Speaker 1: and I respect and I appreciate rather the level of 1347 01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,920 Speaker 1: respect that she showed me, and I'm thankful for it. 1348 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,759 Speaker 1: Now let's get into a little basketball here. The Last 1349 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,799 Speaker 1: Dances is out there and a documentary, a documented series 1350 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:32,439 Speaker 1: that wasn't now Shock. They had three straight championship with 1351 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,600 Speaker 1: the Lakers rolling on the debate and you're saying that 1352 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,160 Speaker 1: shocks Lakers. That's with Kobe yep. I couldn't do anything 1353 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,439 Speaker 1: with the Bulls her name J and no, no, now 1354 01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,400 Speaker 1: with the now, with the Bulls in their prime nowhere 1355 01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,559 Speaker 1: on earth, they would have got destroyed. Okay, cool, Let's 1356 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,639 Speaker 1: let's just break that down. So you had Shack. Who's 1357 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,479 Speaker 1: gonna hold Shack? Well, first of all, nobody's gonna hold Shock. 1358 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,519 Speaker 1: But Shock was gonna hold himself at the free throw 1359 01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,960 Speaker 1: line because he was shooting about so free throws alone 1360 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,040 Speaker 1: on well, one thing, you have to also take into 1361 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,479 Speaker 1: account that Chicago had at least the three sometimes a 1362 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:09,200 Speaker 1: four headed monster. Why does that matter with the big 1363 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,519 Speaker 1: boys because they had two fouls to give, So in 1364 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,040 Speaker 1: other words, you could have fouled Check all day long 1365 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,280 Speaker 1: and he had just missed free throws. Kobe wasn't yet 1366 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,280 Speaker 1: in his prime. He was a young, tremendous talent, but 1367 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,879 Speaker 1: he hadn't really honed in his skill as a superb 1368 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,760 Speaker 1: basketball player and the second greatest point off guard and 1369 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,519 Speaker 1: it is to be a basketball until later on, not 1370 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,120 Speaker 1: before that particular moment in time. Number four, Michael Jordan's 1371 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,400 Speaker 1: was not only a prolific scorer, averaging thirty a game 1372 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,600 Speaker 1: and thirty three per game in the postseason. And not 1373 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:48,439 Speaker 1: even remember Magnew, Jordan's averaged one point seven three point 1374 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 1: shots per game in his career. So he averaged over 1375 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:57,160 Speaker 1: thirty a game shooting two points. Okay, in this era, 1376 01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:01,280 Speaker 1: you don't see that. And then considering the road travel 1377 01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,559 Speaker 1: to prosperity, having a toughen yourself up to go through 1378 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,000 Speaker 1: the likes of the Detroit Pistons, if you recall, if 1379 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,559 Speaker 1: you recall Shaquille O'Neil, got swept in the finals by 1380 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 1: her Kim and dream of Lodge one and the Houston Rockets. 1381 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,439 Speaker 1: Your Houston Rockets, Kenny Smith, Rob Dorry, and Maxwell Sam 1382 01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,920 Speaker 1: could sell a Lodge one these boards. It wasn't on 1383 01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,720 Speaker 1: Chicago's level. Let's be clear about that, Okay. So when 1384 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,400 Speaker 1: we look at it from that perspective and Jordan and 1385 01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:32,240 Speaker 1: Pippot's ability to defend, along with the other guys that 1386 01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,880 Speaker 1: just played their roles, the Lakers would not have won 1387 01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,960 Speaker 1: more than one game in the series against them. It 1388 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,080 Speaker 1: would have been similar, very similar to what the Detroit 1389 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Pistons did to Shaq and Kobe and the Lakers in 1390 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Well, then let's go to the 1391 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:55,680 Speaker 1: early years of magic Byron Scott, Michael Cooper. Kareem I 1392 01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,240 Speaker 1: fueled your ball. That would have been That would been 1393 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: a far more tougher matchup because of Kareem, because there 1394 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,679 Speaker 1: was no answer for Karine. You wasn't gonna send Kareem 1395 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,280 Speaker 1: to the free throw line. He was gonna miss it 1396 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,760 Speaker 1: the de end of the time. He's the lone individual 1397 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,760 Speaker 1: to all time leading scorer in NBA history and the 1398 01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,920 Speaker 1: only person in the history of basketball was one unstoppable move, 1399 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,560 Speaker 1: which was Scott Hook. There was no answer for that. 1400 01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,519 Speaker 1: That would have been problematic. Here's what I can tell you. 1401 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,799 Speaker 1: That fast break that you saw for the Los Angeles 1402 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,040 Speaker 1: Lakers that would not have happened against That would not 1403 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,040 Speaker 1: have happened against the Bulls because Scottie Pippen remembered that 1404 01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:38,479 Speaker 1: even though Magic was younger and it wasn't. The key 1405 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,920 Speaker 1: to that series after Chicago and Laws gained one to 1406 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,400 Speaker 1: the Lakers was that Scottie Pippen picked up on Magic 1407 01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,200 Speaker 1: four feet. No one did that to Magic, and if 1408 01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,600 Speaker 1: you recall, part of Magic's greatness was that Magic was 1409 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,559 Speaker 1: six nine, so he could look over opposing point guards 1410 01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,759 Speaker 1: to run an offense and to make those phenomenal passes 1411 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,360 Speaker 1: that he made with Pipping in front of him, he 1412 01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,240 Speaker 1: would not have been able to do that. But that's 1413 01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,439 Speaker 1: where your problem a lot. So I would tell you 1414 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,759 Speaker 1: that the Lakers would have given them more trouble with Worthy, 1415 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:17,719 Speaker 1: Kareem Magic, Cooper, Byron gott In, those boys, they would 1416 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,479 Speaker 1: have gave it them. They would have gave them more trouble. 1417 01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:25,040 Speaker 1: But I would not bet against Jordan's because Jordan's and 1418 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,040 Speaker 1: Pippen's defense was so phenomenal it would have been a problem. 1419 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: Cool and that's that's that's really great now when we 1420 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,880 Speaker 1: look at the show first take, you know, it was 1421 01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,720 Speaker 1: a groundbreaking show when it first came out, and now 1422 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,479 Speaker 1: it seems to be emulated everywhere on ESPN, on Fox Sports. 1423 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,000 Speaker 1: When Skip Bayliss left the show, what were your thoughts 1424 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,920 Speaker 1: when you left the show and what are your thoughts 1425 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,360 Speaker 1: now being how big the show has grown and your 1426 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,360 Speaker 1: brain is grown and really become the phenomenal talent that 1427 01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,160 Speaker 1: you are today. I was I have mixed emotions. Um, 1428 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,280 Speaker 1: I was not worried about Skip affecting me and what 1429 01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,400 Speaker 1: I do want to air because I don't predicate my 1430 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,160 Speaker 1: abilities or my success on what other people are doing. 1431 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm always prepared to carry my own load. But I 1432 01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,519 Speaker 1: had mixed emotions because on one hand, I knew the 1433 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,000 Speaker 1: show would be on my shoulders. I would be captain 1434 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:23,240 Speaker 1: of the ship. The profile would be primarily, if not exclusively, 1435 01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,479 Speaker 1: on my shoulders, and that would elevate my profile, but 1436 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,599 Speaker 1: also elevate the level of scrutiny that came in my direction, 1437 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,439 Speaker 1: which was fine. The flip side to it is that 1438 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,200 Speaker 1: I was genuinely going to miss my man, uh Skip Bayless. 1439 01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,160 Speaker 1: I would not have been on first Stake if it 1440 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,840 Speaker 1: were not for Skip Baylis. Skip Baylors asked me to 1441 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,200 Speaker 1: do the show. He they would never have put me 1442 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,479 Speaker 1: on the show if Skip Baylors didn't insist that he 1443 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,960 Speaker 1: wanted me on the show. Because at that time I 1444 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,959 Speaker 1: had had it fallen out with ESPN over a contract dispute. 1445 01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:55,840 Speaker 1: I was going for a couple of years. When I 1446 01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,600 Speaker 1: came back, initially they didn't even allow me to be 1447 01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,559 Speaker 1: on television apprest year, I was strictly I was restricted 1448 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,439 Speaker 1: to radio. It was Skip Bayliss that thought to have 1449 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,799 Speaker 1: me on TV, and Jamie Harror with the executive reducer 1450 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,559 Speaker 1: of the show, ultimately co signed on that and as 1451 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,840 Speaker 1: a result the Hanchos that ESPN decided to capitulate to 1452 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,439 Speaker 1: their wishes and bring me on the show. So I 1453 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:23,240 Speaker 1: hold my presence, offers take to Skip Baylors. But then 1454 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,559 Speaker 1: also what people don't realize is that you could call 1455 01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,920 Speaker 1: it a foil or whatever the case may be. I'm 1456 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 1: a counterpuncher one minute, I can punch the next or 1457 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,000 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. With Skip on the show, 1458 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,200 Speaker 1: with me, I have the ability to swing for the 1459 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,680 Speaker 1: fences because I got somebody that's in the trenches with 1460 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,560 Speaker 1: me that does not care about what anyone has to 1461 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,439 Speaker 1: say if he believes what he truly believes. And that's 1462 01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,320 Speaker 1: exactly how I think. There was no such thing not 1463 01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,519 Speaker 1: show the show, not week to week, a month and month, 1464 01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,200 Speaker 1: literally segment to segment. I could be the bad guy 1465 01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,479 Speaker 1: one segment, he was the bad guy another. When the 1466 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,880 Speaker 1: show ended, we were equally loved and equally hated, and 1467 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:07,480 Speaker 1: we were in it together. Max Kellerman is a tremendous, 1468 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:12,000 Speaker 1: tremendous talent. He slarters a whip, highly educated, Ivy League 1469 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,719 Speaker 1: school education, the whole bit, does his homework, works, knows 1470 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,240 Speaker 1: what he's talking about, and I like him genuinely as 1471 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:24,400 Speaker 1: a person. The only issue I have with Max is 1472 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,280 Speaker 1: that for the purpose of the first take is that 1473 01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,240 Speaker 1: where skipping. I don't give a damn about what anybody 1474 01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:35,240 Speaker 1: has to say. Max kid is tremendously about what people 1475 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,000 Speaker 1: have to say. If you don't vibe with me and 1476 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,479 Speaker 1: you don't have the same opinion as I have, or 1477 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,720 Speaker 1: skip as we could give less than a dam If 1478 01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,360 Speaker 1: you don't agree with Max. Max is like, how can 1479 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,160 Speaker 1: you not agree with me? And feels this insatiable appetite 1480 01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,760 Speaker 1: to explain to you why he's right, thinking that he 1481 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,240 Speaker 1: can convince you, Skipp, and I don't care to convince you. 1482 01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,840 Speaker 1: I think that makes an ideal mix. It's not better 1483 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,479 Speaker 1: or worse on anything, but it's an ideal mix that 1484 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't believe can be duplicated. And that's why he 1485 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,320 Speaker 1: will always be my brother. We will always be tight 1486 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,120 Speaker 1: because I would not be where I am today, um 1487 01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,280 Speaker 1: if it were not for first take, and there would 1488 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,679 Speaker 1: have been no first take for me if Skip. Remember 1489 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,439 Speaker 1: he didn't sign off on it. He pushed for it, 1490 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,240 Speaker 1: He insisted on it and asked me to do it. 1491 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,920 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it, he asked me to 1492 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,559 Speaker 1: do it. First take is Stephen A Smith. It's all 1493 01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,120 Speaker 1: about Skip Baker's congratulations. Uh, Stephen. A Game of Thrones 1494 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,920 Speaker 1: ended last year, mets a lot of controversy. Everybody hated 1495 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,800 Speaker 1: the ending, and Uh, I didn't like the Indian either. 1496 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,000 Speaker 1: So you can put me in and everybody hated. You 1497 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,480 Speaker 1: can put me in that clip. Put him in that clip, Homeland. 1498 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,559 Speaker 1: When you know we're talking about this show, A lot 1499 01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,960 Speaker 1: of Clara Danes to start the show, Chief phenomenal, phenomenal. 1500 01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,200 Speaker 1: Now they finally happened, and I'm gonna tell you this. 1501 01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:06,720 Speaker 1: It was a couple of times in the show that 1502 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,920 Speaker 1: I almost turned it off because I was frustrated by 1503 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,960 Speaker 1: the direction it was taking the lead character, Claire. But 1504 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,599 Speaker 1: in the end, I thought it was a fantastic Finally 1505 01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,840 Speaker 1: your thoughts, so did I. I thought the ending was 1506 01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,200 Speaker 1: phenomenal because you looked at what happened and her betrayed I, 1507 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,240 Speaker 1: I know, without even asking you when you wanted to 1508 01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,720 Speaker 1: change the channel, her willingness to, you know, do that 1509 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:36,200 Speaker 1: to Saul, ultimately ultimately compromising him. You know, the thing 1510 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,280 Speaker 1: about it is, is this when you think about Saul 1511 01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,160 Speaker 1: and what he has done for her and what he 1512 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,880 Speaker 1: has meant to her. For her to betray him that way, 1513 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,879 Speaker 1: although it was to prevent a war and prevent millions 1514 01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,719 Speaker 1: of people from dying, you know, and in the same breath, 1515 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,559 Speaker 1: it's still disgusted you that she would do that to him, 1516 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,320 Speaker 1: But for it to end with her saying with us, 1517 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,519 Speaker 1: sending him that note letting him know I'm fine for 1518 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,840 Speaker 1: you now I replaced your asset in Russia. I thought 1519 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,439 Speaker 1: that was a phenomenal ending. And then left room obviously 1520 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,439 Speaker 1: for Homeland to come back the end of It's not 1521 01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,360 Speaker 1: the end after all. While you know something if that 1522 01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,120 Speaker 1: was like a brilliant writer move, you know, I was like, 1523 01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,200 Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming. Um, you know, it was 1524 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,040 Speaker 1: like it was a couple of episodes when he said, 1525 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,040 Speaker 1: when Saul said that, you know, she's the most He's 1526 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,360 Speaker 1: she's the most single minded person I've ever met in 1527 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:33,000 Speaker 1: my life. And they carried that through the final episodes 1528 01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,640 Speaker 1: when she's on the mission the bigger picture, right, Do 1529 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,880 Speaker 1: I have a minute to give you an analogy? Absolutely? 1530 01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,360 Speaker 1: The ending was so profound for me, not just because 1531 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,200 Speaker 1: of that, but because of hers sitting next to her 1532 01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,479 Speaker 1: boyfriend who was the Russian spot and smiling and laughing, 1533 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,360 Speaker 1: but also the smirk that came over Saul states at 1534 01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,560 Speaker 1: the end, And what I compared that too. If you 1535 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:02,240 Speaker 1: ever remember the movie The Kingdom with Jamie fox and 1536 01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,559 Speaker 1: in the and it's a phenomenal movie and Jamie Foxx 1537 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:10,839 Speaker 1: was phenomenal in it. He tells the former girl for Alias. 1538 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,960 Speaker 1: He tells her they said, what did you say to 1539 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,400 Speaker 1: her after her boyfriend had gotten killed? Early in the movie, 1540 01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,160 Speaker 1: Jamie fox said, I said, We're gonna kill him all. 1541 01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 1: Then a little boy and a little boy in the 1542 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,280 Speaker 1: Middle East who watched his grandfather killed by Jamie Fox 1543 01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,160 Speaker 1: and them. His mother asked him, what did you say 1544 01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,600 Speaker 1: to your grand What did your grandfather say to you? 1545 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,400 Speaker 1: And the grandfather he said, the grandfather said to me, 1546 01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,519 Speaker 1: we're gonna kill were we not? My son, We're gonna 1547 01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,120 Speaker 1: kill them all. And then it ends with the boy 1548 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,280 Speaker 1: frowning and looking into the camera and looking mad and 1549 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:50,760 Speaker 1: evil as hell, showing you that the conflict between us 1550 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,360 Speaker 1: in the Middle East is not going anywhere in this 1551 01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,560 Speaker 1: faith said it all. That was what Homeland was like 1552 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,320 Speaker 1: last night. It was. It was a great ending. It 1553 01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,559 Speaker 1: was a great like I said, you know me, man, 1554 01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:04,920 Speaker 1: I was, I was looking at the show man, I 1555 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,040 Speaker 1: was like, I was struggling. I said, if I can't 1556 01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,719 Speaker 1: believe this, man, I can't even believe And I hugging 1557 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,760 Speaker 1: at Stephen there hugging and that went great ending, great ending. 1558 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,400 Speaker 1: If you're fan of the show's definitely something I'm gonna 1559 01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,080 Speaker 1: watch twice, maybe three times, because it's that that great, 1560 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,720 Speaker 1: that great storytelling. You can't pass up. Stephen A. Thank 1561 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,360 Speaker 1: you for coming on my show. Thank you for coming 1562 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,439 Speaker 1: On my show, we talked about if I could be 1563 01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,240 Speaker 1: you and you could be me for just one hour, 1564 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,360 Speaker 1: if you could find a way to get inside each 1565 01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,080 Speaker 1: other's mind. 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Another round of Worst Cooks 1592 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,880 Speaker 1: in America Celebrity Edition premier and Sunday, May tenth, for 1593 01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,200 Speaker 1: six straight Sundays you at nine pm. You can find 1594 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,519 Speaker 1: it on the Food Network at nine pm Eastern Standard 1595 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,720 Speaker 1: Time and Pacific Time. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation 1596 01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,240 Speaker 1: with our trademarks Blacky, blonde hair and puffed up personality, 1597 01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:33,080 Speaker 1: My girl and Barrel. How are you doing? Andi? Hi? 1598 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:39,080 Speaker 1: How are you? Why? Great? Great? Uh? And I'm telling 1599 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, with this pandemic, I've been watching a lot 1600 01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,000 Speaker 1: of food okay being cooked on the and it's great 1601 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,080 Speaker 1: to have you back on the show. Tell us about 1602 01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,760 Speaker 1: this new season that's coming up. You know, I know 1603 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,720 Speaker 1: some bad cooks before you get started. How do they do? 1604 01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,559 Speaker 1: You know how they select these bad cooks who are celebrities. Well, 1605 01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:01,120 Speaker 1: I think that they they nominate themselves, either they nominate 1606 01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:06,640 Speaker 1: themselves or someone they know nominate them. And it's so 1607 01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,439 Speaker 1: funny whenever we do the celebrity edition, I'm like, Oh, 1608 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,280 Speaker 1: looks celebrities. They're just like us. They don't know how 1609 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,360 Speaker 1: to cook either, do. We tend to put them on 1610 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,560 Speaker 1: a pedestal of specially talented people like superheroes, and we 1611 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,760 Speaker 1: realize they don't have they have. They lack the same 1612 01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,400 Speaker 1: skills a lot of everyday people lack. It's almost like 1613 01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,080 Speaker 1: you're lying that can't be true, but it really is, 1614 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:34,400 Speaker 1: and you've seen it over and over again. Yes, I 1615 01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,640 Speaker 1: sure have. And you know it's so funny because I 1616 01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,080 Speaker 1: think sometimes the steaks are even higher for celebrities because 1617 01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,240 Speaker 1: they're used to having their you know, their celebrity be 1618 01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,880 Speaker 1: the face of what America sees or you know, the 1619 01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:54,680 Speaker 1: world sees, and when they get into the kitchen. In 1620 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:59,080 Speaker 1: our boot camp on Worth Cooks, there is no celebrity. 1621 01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,720 Speaker 1: The stove does and care if you're a celebrity. They 1622 01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,320 Speaker 1: don't care if you're not. The stove is the great 1623 01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,960 Speaker 1: equalizer and they're not playing a part. It's it's you know, 1624 01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:12,400 Speaker 1: it's real and it's exactly what is that person going 1625 01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,599 Speaker 1: to do at the stove. And so sometimes I think 1626 01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:22,400 Speaker 1: celebrities don't realize, um, exactly how real and how hard 1627 01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,320 Speaker 1: this show is. And I'm like, I don't care if 1628 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of that celebrity. I'm still going to 1629 01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,920 Speaker 1: teach them how to cook, just the same as if 1630 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,080 Speaker 1: I would teach anyone else how to cook. So um, 1631 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,960 Speaker 1: it gets it. You know, it's really something very difficult 1632 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,400 Speaker 1: and very hard that we asked them to do. But 1633 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,080 Speaker 1: they come out of it the other on the other 1634 01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:47,280 Speaker 1: end being like, wow, I really learned so much and 1635 01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,960 Speaker 1: I will have these skills now and I really appreciate 1636 01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:54,680 Speaker 1: everything that I've learned here. Well you have this season Recruso, 1637 01:28:55,080 --> 01:29:00,360 Speaker 1: Will Will's Adams, Johnny Bananas, David Coolier who's a medium, 1638 01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:03,719 Speaker 1: very talented communion right away and also from a family 1639 01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:08,320 Speaker 1: times family Family matters right, and I think it was 1640 01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,880 Speaker 1: full house, full house, that's right, a different show. I apologize, 1641 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,040 Speaker 1: I got the kids just your family matters was the 1642 01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:20,160 Speaker 1: Black family, the family. Let me let me give let 1643 01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,080 Speaker 1: me give my racial barriers to get get game playing together. Yeah, 1644 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,439 Speaker 1: and uh Bridget Everett, Robert Gibbets, you know, famous actress, 1645 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:34,240 Speaker 1: and uh Sanja Sanja Sanja Morgan and Brian what is 1646 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,800 Speaker 1: what is Briant's last name? B O s E h E. 1647 01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:40,800 Speaker 1: And I couldn't I want him say that publicly because 1648 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to mess it up. He was he 1649 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,640 Speaker 1: cracked me up. He was really quite somebody. Um. He 1650 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,000 Speaker 1: was kind of like to me, he was like, you know, 1651 01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:51,719 Speaker 1: do you know what a sloth looks like? That moves 1652 01:29:51,840 --> 01:30:03,599 Speaker 1: so smile. I really enjoyed him. I actually really enjoyed everybody. 1653 01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,559 Speaker 1: And I really thought that, like Johnny Bananas was going 1654 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,360 Speaker 1: to drive me insane because he you know, he's over 1655 01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,599 Speaker 1: the top outrageous. Um. But I really, I really did 1656 01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:19,920 Speaker 1: appreciate him. Sonya Morrigan. I mean there's a lot going 1657 01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,280 Speaker 1: on with her. I mean, I just I want to 1658 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,760 Speaker 1: know how many people are in her head with her 1659 01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,040 Speaker 1: very crowded there right. Well, you know the thing about 1660 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,599 Speaker 1: it is that this is what I've learned from the show, 1661 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:35,400 Speaker 1: is that they really, um I want to learn how 1662 01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,000 Speaker 1: to cook. They really I don't know how to cook, 1663 01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,400 Speaker 1: and there is a degree of embarrassment because they don't 1664 01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,960 Speaker 1: know that they've realized they are that bad, because you know, 1665 01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,640 Speaker 1: people can tell you can't cook and used to go 1666 01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,800 Speaker 1: to the restaurant and buy some food. But when you 1667 01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,960 Speaker 1: own camera and you and you put under demanding schedule 1668 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,600 Speaker 1: to produce, that's, like you said earlier, that's when the 1669 01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:59,040 Speaker 1: reality hits you. I really am bad, but I don't 1670 01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,160 Speaker 1: want Yes, I don't really want to be this bad 1671 01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:06,080 Speaker 1: on film on tape, right. I mean it is a 1672 01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,720 Speaker 1: big fat ghost of humbull pie that I serve up 1673 01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:14,599 Speaker 1: to them, um. And but you know, like it's it's 1674 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,240 Speaker 1: done with the best intentions, like what I like to 1675 01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,760 Speaker 1: call tough love that you know, we'll laugh about it, 1676 01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,280 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be honest with them too that like, 1677 01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,880 Speaker 1: this wasn't your best um situation that you've done here, 1678 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,840 Speaker 1: but um, you've also improved in this in this in 1679 01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:37,680 Speaker 1: this way, So I'm honest but also encouraging. Well, here 1680 01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,240 Speaker 1: we're talking to Amberrell. Food Networks Worst Cooking Work Cooks 1681 01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,040 Speaker 1: in America Celebrity Edition. It's a prime time sure where 1682 01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,599 Speaker 1: and leads a team of hopeless celebrity cooks from around 1683 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,160 Speaker 1: the country through I guess cool and ary boot camp. 1684 01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,360 Speaker 1: Then you know they come in there, did you guys 1685 01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,040 Speaker 1: give them do your half a mile here and do 1686 01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,000 Speaker 1: you let them know what they may they may be 1687 01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:00,280 Speaker 1: cooking at everything you just told when they get there. No, uh, 1688 01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:04,439 Speaker 1: we give them it's everything. I mean. I it's my 1689 01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:08,920 Speaker 1: mission to keep this show as real as it possibly 1690 01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,200 Speaker 1: can can be in terms of a reality show. So 1691 01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,360 Speaker 1: they don't know what's coming ahead, They don't know what 1692 01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,600 Speaker 1: their next challenge is going to be. Um, you know, 1693 01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:23,400 Speaker 1: they they we but in that vein, we do everything 1694 01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,040 Speaker 1: that we can to make sure that we teach them 1695 01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,160 Speaker 1: everything that they need to know. It's not like we 1696 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,120 Speaker 1: try to trick them and give them stuff, you know, 1697 01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,639 Speaker 1: to make them look worse. Like I give them every 1698 01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,560 Speaker 1: piece of information they need to know. Um, as I 1699 01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,080 Speaker 1: tell them, you know, I will give you all the 1700 01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,240 Speaker 1: tools you need to use to be successful. It is 1701 01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:48,080 Speaker 1: up to you to pick them up and use them. Okay, 1702 01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:52,160 Speaker 1: so some people are better than that at other Okay, 1703 01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,120 Speaker 1: Now there's a payoff of the most improved star left 1704 01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,639 Speaker 1: standing at the finale. When it's dollars for the charity 1705 01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,840 Speaker 1: that hors and bragging nights, bragging rights for their for 1706 01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,760 Speaker 1: their team and so so. So that's the payoff. You know, 1707 01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,479 Speaker 1: they get through the boot camp and they get to 1708 01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,000 Speaker 1: give this twenty five dollars to their charity and so. 1709 01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:16,040 Speaker 1: But but it's still entertainment. It still is a learning 1710 01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,200 Speaker 1: curve for I'm gonna tell you and you're you're I'm 1711 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,599 Speaker 1: a big fan of yours. You have taught me many 1712 01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,400 Speaker 1: things as far as because like, you know, I know 1713 01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,280 Speaker 1: how to bake now I'm award winning baker. But cooking 1714 01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,200 Speaker 1: is you know, you have to be on your game 1715 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,360 Speaker 1: when you cook. And so because you know you can't 1716 01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:34,160 Speaker 1: know you know, you can't make any mistakes. Really, you 1717 01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,439 Speaker 1: gotta be on point. So as a leader, as a 1718 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,960 Speaker 1: person who's famous for a famous share for famous personality, 1719 01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,160 Speaker 1: what do you find the most difficult part of hosting 1720 01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:50,040 Speaker 1: this type of show? Well, um, I mean, you know 1721 01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,040 Speaker 1: when people come in and they're going to be a 1722 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,840 Speaker 1: prima donna in the kitchen, that just doesn't go well 1723 01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,240 Speaker 1: with me. They have to like just they're gonna have 1724 01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,880 Speaker 1: to check their egos out the door. Um, and that 1725 01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:05,560 Speaker 1: sometimes is a little challenging for people. Um Or you know, 1726 01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:11,559 Speaker 1: celebrities mostly, um, but I feel like it's it's when 1727 01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,040 Speaker 1: I say things over and over and over again and 1728 01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,280 Speaker 1: people still don't like listen or pay attention. I'm like, 1729 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everything I can to teach you, but 1730 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's you know, I can only take 1731 01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,760 Speaker 1: you fifty percent of the way there. If you're not 1732 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,120 Speaker 1: going to bring your fifty percent to the table, then 1733 01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,040 Speaker 1: you're just you're there's not gonna be any room for 1734 01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:39,720 Speaker 1: you left here. That's really, that's really because you know, 1735 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this about the show what I see 1736 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,080 Speaker 1: and I enjoy about you being host because I do 1737 01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:47,160 Speaker 1: see real emotion from you, I see real passion. I 1738 01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,840 Speaker 1: don't see your real authentic on the show. You know, 1739 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:51,600 Speaker 1: you if you don't want people to come on the 1740 01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,200 Speaker 1: show and kind of like fluffed this or play games, 1741 01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,800 Speaker 1: because the fact that the reality is there are other 1742 01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,600 Speaker 1: people on the show who are serious about trying to 1743 01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,800 Speaker 1: compete for this t hours and if you're gonna be 1744 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,519 Speaker 1: a prima donna, why did you want to do the 1745 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,080 Speaker 1: show anyway? You know, you know this is not Dancing 1746 01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,360 Speaker 1: with the Stars. You know this is you know, people 1747 01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,400 Speaker 1: watch the show. They learned from the show I'm talking 1748 01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,960 Speaker 1: about as a as a viewer, I watch and learned. 1749 01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,479 Speaker 1: I learned from bad technique. I learned from good technique. 1750 01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,519 Speaker 1: You know, this is a bad version of child what 1751 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, but you learned, Oh I didn't know 1752 01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,040 Speaker 1: you could do that that way. That was I've been 1753 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,040 Speaker 1: doing that way too, that was wrong as well. So 1754 01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,840 Speaker 1: I've learned to fix some problems that I've been getting 1755 01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,920 Speaker 1: away with incorrectly in the kitchen by watching your shows. 1756 01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,600 Speaker 1: And so so when I so when you when you 1757 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,840 Speaker 1: do these shows, what what what maintains that level of 1758 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:41,280 Speaker 1: authenticity for you? And when you host these shows? Because 1759 01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,880 Speaker 1: they are popular, But there's a bottom line to it, 1760 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:49,200 Speaker 1: isn't it right? I mean to me, I will bend 1761 01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:54,880 Speaker 1: over backwards to help anyone that I see really cares 1762 01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,680 Speaker 1: and that is really really trying, you know, like they 1763 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,920 Speaker 1: there might be other people that it comes a little 1764 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,200 Speaker 1: bit more naturally for and they're kind of like Withdrew it, 1765 01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, great, you got it. But um, 1766 01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,120 Speaker 1: if there's someone that's not doing as well as other people, 1767 01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,800 Speaker 1: but I see that they really are trying so hard 1768 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,439 Speaker 1: and earnestly care about what they're doing. I will do 1769 01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,840 Speaker 1: everything I can. I will spend more time with them. 1770 01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:24,760 Speaker 1: I will you know, sort of lead them through the process. 1771 01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,640 Speaker 1: I will remind them of what things they need to do. 1772 01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,400 Speaker 1: I'll even help them a tiny bit, you know, so 1773 01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:32,760 Speaker 1: in terms of because you know, there's a cloth on 1774 01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,760 Speaker 1: all of this. Also, so it's not only we're doing 1775 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:39,120 Speaker 1: something you don't know how to do. Um, you're cooking 1776 01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,479 Speaker 1: in a kitchen that you don't know where everything is. 1777 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,519 Speaker 1: Everything is new to you, and we put a timer 1778 01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:50,760 Speaker 1: on it. It's incredibly stressful. But that's also what makes 1779 01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,120 Speaker 1: it so fun. And I think what also makes it 1780 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,840 Speaker 1: so fun is that people watching at home are like, 1781 01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:59,840 Speaker 1: oh god, that's a mistake I wouldn't make, but or 1782 01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made, but now that I just saw 1783 01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,960 Speaker 1: that person do it, Um, I won't make that mistake. 1784 01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:13,760 Speaker 1: That's just say I'm right about yourself. Absolutely. The thing 1785 01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,600 Speaker 1: about it the two questions I want to ask the 1786 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,240 Speaker 1: person that all the episodes you've shot and taped and 1787 01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,679 Speaker 1: worked with, what celebrity improved the most in the kitchen 1788 01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:29,880 Speaker 1: under under your tape of the show. Would you say um? Surprisingly, 1789 01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:34,600 Speaker 1: I would say um, And I was shocked at this myself. 1790 01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:41,360 Speaker 1: Um was um Mike the situation from the Jersey I 1791 01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,800 Speaker 1: saw that. I saw several episodes, didn't see the final, 1792 01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:45,960 Speaker 1: but I remember when he was on the show. I 1793 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:50,040 Speaker 1: would have thought that he did not make it all 1794 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,680 Speaker 1: the way to the end, but he I think he 1795 01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,280 Speaker 1: made it to like second place on the Red Team. 1796 01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,840 Speaker 1: And um, I mean the first day I saw him, 1797 01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,839 Speaker 1: after the first dem um, I just saw him screwing 1798 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,920 Speaker 1: around and he wasn't taking notes or anything. And so 1799 01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,160 Speaker 1: when the camera stopped rowing, I think I scared him 1800 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,000 Speaker 1: a little bit and I was like, so you're not 1801 01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,360 Speaker 1: going to take this seriously, I will put you right 1802 01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:18,360 Speaker 1: back on the train or whatever the bridge and chunnel 1803 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,479 Speaker 1: that you came over with, and I will send you 1804 01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,720 Speaker 1: right back to New Jersey if you're not going to 1805 01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,280 Speaker 1: take this seriously. And he was like, oh my. And 1806 01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,920 Speaker 1: so then the next day he came in and he 1807 01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,720 Speaker 1: was taking notes. He was such a team player, he 1808 01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:36,960 Speaker 1: was so cute and sweet about it that he really 1809 01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,400 Speaker 1: did just want to learn and he just wanted like 1810 01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,800 Speaker 1: sort of you know, approval, and he like he put 1811 01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,880 Speaker 1: his real heart and soul into it so that one 1812 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:48,000 Speaker 1: I have to say, really hurt me to send home. 1813 01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:53,479 Speaker 1: And had so many people, so many celebrities that I've 1814 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:57,840 Speaker 1: loved that I've been so pleasantly surprised by. I mean, 1815 01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,680 Speaker 1: it really is. There's really so many good feelings that 1816 01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,519 Speaker 1: happened on the show. Well, you know, I enjoyed the show, 1817 01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,160 Speaker 1: and I'm so happy I was able to get you 1818 01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:07,840 Speaker 1: back on the show to talk about it, because I 1819 01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,519 Speaker 1: enjoyed both your brand. You're just a genuinely nice person. 1820 01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:13,200 Speaker 1: I've never met you, but you come across as a 1821 01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:16,439 Speaker 1: genuinely nice person and a passionate person. Now when I 1822 01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,479 Speaker 1: see passion, that always compels me. There's a high level 1823 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,200 Speaker 1: of authenticity and that's what you carry. You know, you're 1824 01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:25,120 Speaker 1: more than just a spiky hair, blonde lady that you 1825 01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,920 Speaker 1: got a lot of You got you got more going 1826 01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:29,760 Speaker 1: on than that, and I really appreciate you coming on 1827 01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,360 Speaker 1: my show. I'm talking to a Barrel. She's the star 1828 01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:36,040 Speaker 1: Worst Cooks in America Celebrity Edition, the premiering this Sunday, 1829 01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:39,400 Speaker 1: May tenth and May tent May tenths at nine pm 1830 01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,560 Speaker 1: Eastern and Pacific time on Food Network. And anything to 1831 01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,960 Speaker 1: say before you go, um, well, I would just say 1832 01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:51,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot more um sort of trials and tribulations 1833 01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,920 Speaker 1: and fun starting this weekend on Sunday night, which is 1834 01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,400 Speaker 1: also Mother's Day. So cheers to all the mothers out 1835 01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:02,280 Speaker 1: there to you. And also I just want to say 1836 01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:06,080 Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who are the people on the 1837 01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,040 Speaker 1: front lines out there, all the medical workers and all 1838 01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,280 Speaker 1: the people that are working in grocery stores and stuff 1839 01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:16,240 Speaker 1: and just working to kind of help things keep moving 1840 01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:21,160 Speaker 1: forward in this crazy time. And I hope everyone stays 1841 01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:25,840 Speaker 1: safe and stays healthy and stays distant. Social distancing is 1842 01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,599 Speaker 1: the key. And thank you for coming on the show. 1843 01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:30,080 Speaker 1: I know you're busy, I know we're in some unusual times. 1844 01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:32,600 Speaker 1: We want portantly allowed me an opportunity to talk to 1845 01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,280 Speaker 1: you gain because everything I say about you is very 1846 01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,439 Speaker 1: honest statements. And I will promote this is using all 1847 01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,799 Speaker 1: my assets, my social media, my fan club, list, everything 1848 01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:45,840 Speaker 1: into my website, because you deserve what you get, young lady, 1849 01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,720 Speaker 1: because you've hearned it, you've heard it, and uh, well 1850 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,840 Speaker 1: you're very sweet. And just before I go, I would 1851 01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,640 Speaker 1: just like to say how much I really appreciated, appreciate 1852 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,840 Speaker 1: the opening of your show to say how you know 1853 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,240 Speaker 1: don't get other people's path, make your own path that 1854 01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:06,320 Speaker 1: you can admire people. But I very much appreciate your words, 1855 01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:08,680 Speaker 1: my friend, and it's always a joy to be on 1856 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:12,200 Speaker 1: your show. Okay, we talked to this Ambarrel, she's Food 1857 01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:17,519 Speaker 1: Network star. And we're live here outside the Perez family home, 1858 01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,040 Speaker 1: just waiting for the and there they go, almost on time. 1859 01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,759 Speaker 1: This morning. Mom is coming out the front door strong 1860 01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,439 Speaker 1: with a double arm kid carry. Looks like Dad has 1861 01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,680 Speaker 1: the bags. Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh but 1862 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:34,240 Speaker 1: the diaper bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere. 1863 01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,400 Speaker 1: Oh but mom has just nailed the perfect car seat 1864 01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:41,640 Speaker 1: buckle for the toddler. And now the eldest daughter, who 1865 01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,479 Speaker 1: looks to be about nine or ten, has secured herself 1866 01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,160 Speaker 1: and the booster seat. Dad zips the bad clothes and 1867 01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:51,200 Speaker 1: they're off. But looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee 1868 01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,519 Speaker 1: cup is still on the roof of the car, and 1869 01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:57,720 Speaker 1: there it goes. That's a shame that mug was a 1870 01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,880 Speaker 1: fan favorite. Don't sweat the small off, just nailed the 1871 01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:03,240 Speaker 1: big stuff, like making sure your kids are buckled correctly 1872 01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,200 Speaker 1: in the right seat for their agent's eyes. 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I'm April Dennuity, host 1887 01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:55,479 Speaker 1: of the new podcast Navigating Adoption presented by adopt us Kids. 1888 01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:59,400 Speaker 1: Each episode brings you compelling, real life adoption stories told 1889 01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:01,919 Speaker 1: by the family is that lived them with commentary from experts. 1890 01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:06,040 Speaker 1: Visit adopt us Kids dot org slash podcast or subscribe 1891 01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:09,400 Speaker 1: to Navigating Adoption presented by adopt Us Kids, brought to 1892 01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:11,559 Speaker 1: you by the U s Department of Health and Human Services, 1893 01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:15,439 Speaker 1: Administration for Children and Families and the Council. My next guests. 1894 01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,120 Speaker 1: Um It's an Australian extress. She has made her mark 1895 01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,920 Speaker 1: in film and television in both Australia and Hollywood. I 1896 01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,599 Speaker 1: personally fell in love with her talents from watching her 1897 01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:27,479 Speaker 1: and three of my favorite movies Pitch Black starring Vin 1898 01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,799 Speaker 1: diesel Man, On Fire star in Denzel Washington and Dakota Fannie, 1899 01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,320 Speaker 1: and the horror movie Silent Hell. She's on the show 1900 01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:39,040 Speaker 1: today discuss the upcoming new movie Dream Catcher. Thank you 1901 01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:40,559 Speaker 1: that you can catch you on right now. You can 1902 01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:42,679 Speaker 1: catch it right now on video on demand. Please welcome 1903 01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:48,000 Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations. Roda Mitchell. How you doing? Hey good? 1904 01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:50,919 Speaker 1: Hell are you? I'm doing pretty good? You know, I'm excited. 1905 01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:54,000 Speaker 1: It's really interesting that I every week I sit out 1906 01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:57,080 Speaker 1: with my staff and and we go over potential guests 1907 01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:59,680 Speaker 1: for the show. And because my show is my entrepreneurship 1908 01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,840 Speaker 1: and taming and so basically the looking at my life. 1909 01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:07,040 Speaker 1: I've been in management and corporate uh, corporate marketing and branding, 1910 01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,200 Speaker 1: and I try to bring interviews on the show that 1911 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,840 Speaker 1: shows a different lifestyle at different point of view, and 1912 01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:13,840 Speaker 1: I try to get them to tell their story. And 1913 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,360 Speaker 1: your story, I always felt was a compelling one because 1914 01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:20,400 Speaker 1: of the fact that you you Australia Hollywood. That's a 1915 01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:22,560 Speaker 1: that's a major move, that's a transition. So you have 1916 01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,519 Speaker 1: to follow your dream. You had to believe in your dream. 1917 01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:28,400 Speaker 1: Can you tell us about the whole aspect of wanting 1918 01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,880 Speaker 1: to be Did you want to be a movie star? 1919 01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,120 Speaker 1: Did you want to be an actress all your life? Rada? 1920 01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:38,680 Speaker 1: I mean as a kid, I had a few fantasies, 1921 01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,400 Speaker 1: and one of them certainly was to be a Hollywood actress. 1922 01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,280 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that's every little girl's kind 1923 01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:47,599 Speaker 1: of um idea at some point in their life, um 1924 01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,280 Speaker 1: and then consuing it. I think by the time I 1925 01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:53,920 Speaker 1: finished high school, I I kind of knew that I 1926 01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:55,960 Speaker 1: wanted to be an actress, but I kind of wanted 1927 01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,920 Speaker 1: to just travel the world, and I wanted to be 1928 01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:03,160 Speaker 1: a photographer for a while, um National geographic photographer. So 1929 01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,880 Speaker 1: I really wanted to keep an open mind. You still 1930 01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:09,800 Speaker 1: have that steal these starts talent that the desire to do. 1931 01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,720 Speaker 1: You still have to scale with the camera. They want 1932 01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,880 Speaker 1: to take those take photos. I was studying photography in 1933 01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:17,120 Speaker 1: school and I was like doing really well. But then 1934 01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:19,280 Speaker 1: I didn't get into this course that I wanted to 1935 01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:21,920 Speaker 1: get into, and so I was a bit put off 1936 01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,439 Speaker 1: by that, but I am I went to Indonesia for 1937 01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:28,720 Speaker 1: months and read this book An Actor Prepares Stanislavski and 1938 01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,400 Speaker 1: that sort of. It was kind of a serious book 1939 01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,040 Speaker 1: about you know, serious acting. That it got me motivated. 1940 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,360 Speaker 1: And when I was a little kid, I've done a 1941 01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,040 Speaker 1: TV show. So I had an agent from this time 1942 01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,960 Speaker 1: when I was twelve doing this TV show for six months. 1943 01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,479 Speaker 1: So I went back to this agent and I said, Hi, 1944 01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, I finished school now, and can you get 1945 01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:56,240 Speaker 1: me a job? The Hey, can you give me a job? 1946 01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,400 Speaker 1: We're back to an agent for Joe that you did 1947 01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,840 Speaker 1: one time only right, Well, it was a six months 1948 01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:04,519 Speaker 1: show and it was like we were kids, but I 1949 01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:06,400 Speaker 1: was not really into it. When I was a kid, 1950 01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:07,840 Speaker 1: I was a bit shy, so I wanted to just 1951 01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,400 Speaker 1: finish school, so I did. Then I wanted to try 1952 01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:13,720 Speaker 1: to like travel the world and you know, take a 1953 01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,960 Speaker 1: year and just see everything, and my mom was not 1954 01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:20,000 Speaker 1: into it. She wanted me to go to university. So 1955 01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:24,880 Speaker 1: I ended up starting studying media and literature at this 1956 01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:30,559 Speaker 1: university in Melbourne and sort of uh doing the odd 1957 01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,560 Speaker 1: acting job that I was getting through this agent. So 1958 01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, I got really weird because my mom decided 1959 01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:42,479 Speaker 1: to go to university the same university as mere sitcom, 1960 01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,320 Speaker 1: Right Mom, at the same school you went, right Mom, 1961 01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:48,160 Speaker 1: at the same school that was really narrating anyway. So 1962 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:51,320 Speaker 1: I started doing the night classes and sometimes I'll be 1963 01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:53,920 Speaker 1: acting during the day on this a couple of TV 1964 01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,360 Speaker 1: series and stuff. At around the time of finishing the 1965 01:46:56,479 --> 01:47:00,720 Speaker 1: degree is Arts degree. A film that a friend of mine. Um, 1966 01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:06,639 Speaker 1: it's very little like dollar film and somebody's father put 1967 01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,120 Speaker 1: money into it, but it was coming out of this 1968 01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:11,519 Speaker 1: film school in Melbourne and it had like a young 1969 01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:15,479 Speaker 1: director who was just finishing up her her film school degree. 1970 01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,000 Speaker 1: And we're all a bunch of us were living in 1971 01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:21,600 Speaker 1: a sharehouse and we ended up making this film and 1972 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:26,560 Speaker 1: the film ended up getting sold to Fox Searchlight. So 1973 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:29,639 Speaker 1: a few of us who were in the film were 1974 01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:33,120 Speaker 1: like invited to go to the can Film Festival, so 1975 01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:35,640 Speaker 1: you know when we've never been to I've never been 1976 01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:38,320 Speaker 1: to any film festival, not even the mil the top 1977 01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:45,559 Speaker 1: dollars that's really nice, but everywhere you look at fabulous. 1978 01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure fabulous. Well, we had a great time. There 1979 01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,840 Speaker 1: was three girls and we're all like sort of starring 1980 01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,960 Speaker 1: in this movie and um, and the director and the 1981 01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:58,640 Speaker 1: producer and so I think it was Anthony Lapolio, this 1982 01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:03,320 Speaker 1: Australian actor who um introduced me to my manager or 1983 01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:07,000 Speaker 1: to a manager who I think he was actually leaving. 1984 01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:12,040 Speaker 1: That's why. That's that's how you do it. Now. Okay, 1985 01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,920 Speaker 1: look I'm about to go, but I got somebody else 1986 01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,839 Speaker 1: for me. It was great. So I met this manager 1987 01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:22,360 Speaker 1: in Come and I think we were there. We were 1988 01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:24,439 Speaker 1: there for like a week, and then I had a 1989 01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:28,479 Speaker 1: ticket around the world ticket. Um, so I got to 1990 01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,760 Speaker 1: go from there to London, and I was invited to 1991 01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:34,040 Speaker 1: audition for something in London which didn't pan out, and 1992 01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,400 Speaker 1: then I had the ticket went to New York and 1993 01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:39,599 Speaker 1: in l A. And then I had a grandmother at 1994 01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,479 Speaker 1: the time who was living in l A. I've never 1995 01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,880 Speaker 1: been to in America, but I had a few phone 1996 01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,479 Speaker 1: numbers now from this film festival to like meet people 1997 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,360 Speaker 1: in New York. So you have you have some numbers now, 1998 01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:53,479 Speaker 1: so now you can come at least call somebody, right, Yeah, yeah, 1999 01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,000 Speaker 1: so I had some phone numbers, UM, people that were 2000 01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:58,160 Speaker 1: somewhat related to the film industry, and then just people 2001 01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,639 Speaker 1: who were friends with my friends from Melbourne. I stayed 2002 01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:02,600 Speaker 1: at this actually, I said, in this girl's apartment in 2003 01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:06,559 Speaker 1: Harlem for like a week or two in New York UM. 2004 01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:11,920 Speaker 1: And then I went to l A. UM, and that's 2005 01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:15,639 Speaker 1: where I sort of stayed with my grandmother, UM, who 2006 01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,960 Speaker 1: was a bit sort of grumpy, but UM said they 2007 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,840 Speaker 1: got to know each other. We didn't really know each other, 2008 01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,920 Speaker 1: y UM. And and then so that was sort of 2009 01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:27,920 Speaker 1: the trip, and then it was time to go back 2010 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:33,200 Speaker 1: to Melbourne. The reality of where it comes from. UM. 2011 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:36,360 Speaker 1: But I had from all of that just this idea. Oh, 2012 01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,479 Speaker 1: because I had met Danny Boyle, who was one of 2013 01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:42,400 Speaker 1: my favorite directors in the l A trip, and there 2014 01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:45,840 Speaker 1: was a tasting agent from from here from l A 2015 01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:48,720 Speaker 1: who had sort of contacted the Australian agent. So there 2016 01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,519 Speaker 1: was something of an introduction to meet somebody in l A. 2017 01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:55,880 Speaker 1: And that's how I met um, Danny Boyle. So then 2018 01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,040 Speaker 1: by the time I got back to Melbourne, I realized, 2019 01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, every was happening over here. If I could 2020 01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:06,040 Speaker 1: just get back right that's frustrating, right, you know, you know, 2021 01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:08,560 Speaker 1: you know you're back, but it's not back where you 2022 01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,240 Speaker 1: need to be. You need to get back to the 2023 01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:13,200 Speaker 1: other back right, which was all yeah, so that I 2024 01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,280 Speaker 1: needed money, I aren't going to get there, you know. 2025 01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:16,920 Speaker 1: It was like, you know it just out of school. 2026 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:20,840 Speaker 1: So I told this agent, but I just want to 2027 01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,000 Speaker 1: do a soap because I knew that you could. There's 2028 01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:26,280 Speaker 1: this television soap in Melbourne called Neighbors and it's been 2029 01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:30,400 Speaker 1: known for years or something just never ends and they 2030 01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:36,240 Speaker 1: keep recycling characters. So I, um, I gone on to 2031 01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:39,160 Speaker 1: the show and I had a part for like six months, 2032 01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:44,479 Speaker 1: so that allowed me to um come back. And also 2033 01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,840 Speaker 1: at that point, this little film that I was telling 2034 01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:48,839 Speaker 1: you about was now going to go to the Sundance 2035 01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:52,960 Speaker 1: Film Festival, so I have something to come back to 2036 01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:56,160 Speaker 1: talk about. And so that's sort of how it all began. 2037 01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:59,960 Speaker 1: But you know, the money in your pocket the Sunday 2038 01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:04,840 Speaker 1: It's festival, you're looking good, feeling good? Okay? If good, no, 2039 01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:10,120 Speaker 1: Grandma cool. It was all did have an adventure, you know, um, 2040 01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:12,040 Speaker 1: and most of it just should have planned out of 2041 01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:14,760 Speaker 1: the suitcase. But I didn't really care whether it worked 2042 01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:16,280 Speaker 1: or didn't. I was sort of you know, it was 2043 01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:18,880 Speaker 1: an adventure in any case, Well, you're The thing about 2044 01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:20,680 Speaker 1: it is that when I hear your story, I just 2045 01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:25,120 Speaker 1: hear just you know, no, you just you just trusted yourself. 2046 01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:27,800 Speaker 1: You wanted to follow your dreams, and a lot of 2047 01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,639 Speaker 1: people get caught up in one. Okay, like your mom said, 2048 01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:32,960 Speaker 1: I want you to go to school. Okay, you know, 2049 01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,800 Speaker 1: like my degree is a mathemat like that, and I'm 2050 01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:39,960 Speaker 1: glad I didn't because, um, even as an actor, I 2051 01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:42,760 Speaker 1: think it's interesting to have a more sort of have 2052 01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,640 Speaker 1: a broad sort of source of knowledge. But you know, 2053 01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:49,639 Speaker 1: you can having studied archaeology and or just obscure things 2054 01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,560 Speaker 1: that I studied for this degree, UM just gave me 2055 01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:54,680 Speaker 1: a certain perspective that I might not have had if 2056 01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:58,640 Speaker 1: I had it just focused only on acting. Um. So 2057 01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,600 Speaker 1: that's good. So let's talk about let's talk about some 2058 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:04,360 Speaker 1: things here about your new project here because I want 2059 01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:05,640 Speaker 1: to because I want to talk about a couple of 2060 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:07,360 Speaker 1: my favorite movies because I see them all the time. 2061 01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:14,439 Speaker 1: But I dream Catcher, which I'm assuming there's another horror movie. Correct, Okay, cool, Now, 2062 01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:17,160 Speaker 1: when I saw you in Silent Hill, basically, you know, 2063 01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, you you were traveling in this town with 2064 01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:24,400 Speaker 1: your daughter. You're another ghost like daughter a period in 2065 01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:26,200 Speaker 1: front of your car, your car on into a span 2066 01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,280 Speaker 1: and then you stop, you open the door to your 2067 01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:31,320 Speaker 1: daughter's gone, your real daughter's gone, and so you you 2068 01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,280 Speaker 1: ventured into this town called Silent Here. So the reason 2069 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,920 Speaker 1: I bring that up because it's basically it's basically a 2070 01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:41,240 Speaker 1: movie that's uh, it's carried on your single emotion and 2071 01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:45,519 Speaker 1: your interaction. And that's what made me scary to me 2072 01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:50,400 Speaker 1: because you your quest was to find your daughter, but 2073 01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:56,160 Speaker 1: you were in an environment that you couldn't control. How 2074 01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:58,200 Speaker 1: do you get there emotionally for a role like that, 2075 01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:00,840 Speaker 1: When you're talking about horror, you're talking about characters that 2076 01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:06,800 Speaker 1: don't exist. How do you get there? Right? How do 2077 01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:09,080 Speaker 1: we do that? I mean, yeah, a lot of times 2078 01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:13,920 Speaker 1: we were acting with tennis balls, um we had these. 2079 01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:18,280 Speaker 1: There were some amazing um props, Like there was some 2080 01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:21,680 Speaker 1: amazing monsters that were on set and people. Yeah, there 2081 01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:24,160 Speaker 1: was like I don't know if you remember the child 2082 01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,720 Speaker 1: monster in the attacking on the fences, there was a 2083 01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:30,120 Speaker 1: woman who was very small and she was wearing that 2084 01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,719 Speaker 1: suit so she had a little hole in the suit 2085 01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,839 Speaker 1: to breathe through, so then they multiplied that in special effects. 2086 01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:40,000 Speaker 1: But there was really one of those great children for real, 2087 01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,360 Speaker 1: and she this patient woman who sat in that suit 2088 01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:45,960 Speaker 1: all day long for that part of the shoot. So 2089 01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,639 Speaker 1: some of it you had to imagine. In other parts 2090 01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:53,160 Speaker 1: of the nightmare were you know, very much visually present. Um. 2091 01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:56,479 Speaker 1: So it was kind of a mix um. But how 2092 01:53:56,560 --> 01:54:00,320 Speaker 1: to how to get into that frame of mind? I 2093 01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:02,960 Speaker 1: don't know. I think we've all had nightmares. Well I 2094 01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,160 Speaker 1: think that did. You had a good job that you're 2095 01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:07,800 Speaker 1: scared me. You're scared of grown man here, Okay, because 2096 01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:09,800 Speaker 1: I felt sorry for I thought they're gonna snatch you 2097 01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,360 Speaker 1: up there, rad. You know what they did, dude, there 2098 01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:16,599 Speaker 1: was a technique like for that active surprise and shock. 2099 01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:18,920 Speaker 1: It's really hard to fake that, you know. I'm still 2100 01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,160 Speaker 1: we like make loud noises and we get someone on 2101 01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:23,439 Speaker 1: set to like I don't think they were firing guns, 2102 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,479 Speaker 1: but they were like snacking things together so that we 2103 01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,439 Speaker 1: get a real shock. I mean that's sort of something 2104 01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:31,000 Speaker 1: you do to create a journal and quickly. But it's 2105 01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:36,600 Speaker 1: really hard to act surprised shocked without having something to 2106 01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:39,360 Speaker 1: trigger it. Okay, that you had this this new movie 2107 01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:42,440 Speaker 1: Dream Catcher. You know your your character is forced to 2108 01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,440 Speaker 1: come return with your new stepson at a remote country 2109 01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:49,160 Speaker 1: home right there the dot. Do you know the scary 2110 01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:53,720 Speaker 1: part remote? Everything you do in scary movies rather is remote. 2111 01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,800 Speaker 1: You know when you did when you did Pitch Black remote, 2112 01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:00,400 Speaker 1: You're just a remote acting person. When you did you know, 2113 01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,960 Speaker 1: Man on Fire, you were in Mexico, which was a 2114 01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:05,440 Speaker 1: remote You were captured in the mansion. So you just 2115 01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:09,520 Speaker 1: a remote when I saw you, when I yeah, when 2116 01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,640 Speaker 1: I saw you do the Romans, when I saw the 2117 01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:13,880 Speaker 1: episode of The romanofs that you and you know that 2118 01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:16,200 Speaker 1: when you was what I think your son was was 2119 01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:22,000 Speaker 1: sickly and why right right? That was your character there 2120 01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:26,120 Speaker 1: was isolated. You play those isolated roles very well. Rother 2121 01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:31,160 Speaker 1: Farewell interesting. Yeah, I've never really thought about that. Yeah, 2122 01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:37,320 Speaker 1: that's this is my question to you. This is my 2123 01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:40,160 Speaker 1: question because the movie Dream Catching with just out right now. 2124 01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,040 Speaker 1: You can catch it from Lion's Gate Home Entertainment, you 2125 01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:44,760 Speaker 1: can catch it on video on demand. When I look 2126 01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,800 Speaker 1: at the talent like you and because you make it real, 2127 01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,360 Speaker 1: I will tell you when Man on Fire, when you 2128 01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:53,600 Speaker 1: realize that Mark Anthony, who played your husband in the movie, 2129 01:55:54,160 --> 01:55:57,800 Speaker 1: was the reason your daughter he was behind the kidnapping. 2130 01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,320 Speaker 1: That moment, for me is one of my favorite moments 2131 01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:02,440 Speaker 1: in the movie because you win. It was that oh 2132 01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:05,240 Speaker 1: my god moment. You know, that was an oh my 2133 01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:07,800 Speaker 1: god moment. You didn't kill if he lived or died. 2134 01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:10,320 Speaker 1: At that point, you know you have been suffering the 2135 01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:13,320 Speaker 1: whole time for your daughter, you know, got lost in 2136 01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:18,600 Speaker 1: the box or Ransom and this fool over here had 2137 01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:23,600 Speaker 1: pedal off your daughter or faith Ransom demand that moment 2138 01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,600 Speaker 1: right there. I became a fan. Okay, and then in 2139 01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:29,840 Speaker 1: Pitch Black. But the Pitch Black, I always want you 2140 01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:32,320 Speaker 1: to know, here's a script where when you get the script, 2141 01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:38,040 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna die in that script? Correct, Yeah, okay? 2142 01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,720 Speaker 1: How do you react when you know what? You get 2143 01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:47,120 Speaker 1: the script in your hand, and who's gonna die? Are 2144 01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:51,120 Speaker 1: they gonna die? You want to die? You know you're 2145 01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:54,760 Speaker 1: not gonna make the sequel if it's a blockbuster, you 2146 01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:58,640 Speaker 1: can in that movie, I was excited to die. I 2147 01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:02,760 Speaker 1: thought it was cool. Uh, in retrospect that just to live, 2148 01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:07,440 Speaker 1: But at the time I thought it was cool. I 2149 01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:09,360 Speaker 1: didn't know they were gonna make more and more and 2150 01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:13,840 Speaker 1: more than because you know, it was so funny. It 2151 01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:15,160 Speaker 1: was so funny. It was it was just so funny 2152 01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:17,120 Speaker 1: because I was when I got there, you know, when 2153 01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:19,440 Speaker 1: I when you got confirmed from my show, I went 2154 01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:22,520 Speaker 1: home and I was just going through and then what happened. 2155 01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:25,400 Speaker 1: Pitch Black was on. That's why I gotta see the 2156 01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,360 Speaker 1: first I remember the first of my remember and so 2157 01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,440 Speaker 1: and and then God forgotten that you died in the 2158 01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:33,080 Speaker 1: end of that movie and the way you die, because 2159 01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:35,240 Speaker 1: because if that movie you would you know, you're you're 2160 01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:38,560 Speaker 1: grabbed in diesel. Get up, soldier, get up, You're gonna 2161 01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:40,600 Speaker 1: make it. You're not gonna die. You're not gonna die. 2162 01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:44,120 Speaker 1: You know, you know you're you're you're toughen up. In 2163 01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:46,560 Speaker 1: the end, you have their fearless leader, and all of 2164 01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,360 Speaker 1: a sudden you got snatched up. I went, oh my god, 2165 01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:52,720 Speaker 1: I forgot she died and so and I wanted to 2166 01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:55,120 Speaker 1: ask that question. When you get a script and you 2167 01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:58,000 Speaker 1: know you're gonna die, do you lobby to stick around 2168 01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,520 Speaker 1: or you just play out the role? Well, it depends 2169 01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:12,440 Speaker 1: on the project. You don't want to come back? I 2170 01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:15,800 Speaker 1: mean I think, yeah, if you think the c has 2171 01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:18,600 Speaker 1: you know from in retrospect, if you think the thing 2172 01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:24,640 Speaker 1: is legs, you don't want to die. But yeah, if 2173 01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, you know, sometimes it's such a dramatic, it's 2174 01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:31,680 Speaker 1: such as from an acting um perspective, it's great, like 2175 01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:35,280 Speaker 1: it's this amazing kind of rehearsal for the inevitable that 2176 01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, most of us are, you know, unable to 2177 01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:41,080 Speaker 1: even to talk about. So to like practice your own 2178 01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:44,080 Speaker 1: death is like an amazing experience. I know, it really is. 2179 01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:46,800 Speaker 1: And I think that's that. Here's my whole thing is that. 2180 01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:48,920 Speaker 1: And and in this interview, I just want to get 2181 01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:51,440 Speaker 1: across to you that you obviously you know, you're very 2182 01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:55,520 Speaker 1: talented because you're you're acting resume says that people book 2183 01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:59,080 Speaker 1: you and you deliver, uh, you know, deliver from the 2184 01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:02,600 Speaker 1: romantic side to the to the to the grieving mom 2185 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:06,320 Speaker 1: to the scary, scary mom, to the you know, to 2186 01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:10,680 Speaker 1: the passionate and empowered mom to just a young lady 2187 01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:13,200 Speaker 1: who wants to make a difference in the world today. 2188 01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:16,280 Speaker 1: That's that's the characters you played throughout your career. But 2189 01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,720 Speaker 1: what it's always been dynamic for me watching you is 2190 01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:22,480 Speaker 1: that you can, you know, how to take that isolated 2191 01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:27,760 Speaker 1: moment and make it relatable and whether it's fear, whether 2192 01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:32,280 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, uh the unknown, or just the 2193 01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,240 Speaker 1: decision making process, you know, whether you're you know, Olympus 2194 01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:39,040 Speaker 1: has fallen and all the There's just so many different projects. 2195 01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:41,520 Speaker 1: So when you when you what's what's your what? What? 2196 01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:43,800 Speaker 1: What's when you go into a movie when the script 2197 01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:46,360 Speaker 1: is getting to you, is there are there only particular 2198 01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:48,760 Speaker 1: goals you're trying to achieve out of that role, or 2199 01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:50,920 Speaker 1: it's just hey, thank you for the opportunity to act 2200 01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:52,800 Speaker 1: in this movie and do the best job that you 2201 01:59:52,880 --> 02:00:01,120 Speaker 1: can do. Well, yeah, I just want to show harp. 2202 02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, often circumstances, don't you know, aren't perfect. Like 2203 02:00:08,200 --> 02:00:12,080 Speaker 1: I reasonly the job where read the script. I was 2204 02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:14,200 Speaker 1: on one side of the world reading a script on 2205 02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the plane, landing on set and starting the performance, you know, 2206 02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:21,440 Speaker 1: with no preparation time and totally jet lagged, and that's 2207 02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:25,080 Speaker 1: not ideal. But in those situations you just have to 2208 02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:26,960 Speaker 1: bring it the best you can what you've got to 2209 02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,920 Speaker 1: accept the secumstances and not use them as an excuse, 2210 02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:32,280 Speaker 1: but just bring it the best you can and trust 2211 02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:34,240 Speaker 1: that what everything inside of you is going to inform 2212 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:38,920 Speaker 1: the performance, especially after having acted for so long that 2213 02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:41,280 Speaker 1: you just want to Yeah, you want to bring the 2214 02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:44,120 Speaker 1: best to the story, just whatever you have in in 2215 02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:47,880 Speaker 1: you and then also have it it's so collaborative that 2216 02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, have a vibe where everybody is bringing the 2217 02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:54,400 Speaker 1: best together, that there's an energy in excitement behind it. Well, 2218 02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:56,760 Speaker 1: you have disappointed me. You have disappointed me. Tell us 2219 02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:01,560 Speaker 1: about dream Catching. Tell us about that. Well, Dreamcatch you 2220 02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,200 Speaker 1: with a movie that a friend of mine, well a 2221 02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:06,000 Speaker 1: sort of a man, a super close friend at the time, 2222 02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Carrie Harris um showed to me a while ago, and 2223 02:01:10,720 --> 02:01:14,480 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, interesting and then um, I said, 2224 02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:17,600 Speaker 1: let me know when you get financed. And then, um, 2225 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:20,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't occurred to me as this sort of the cooking. 2226 02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:25,560 Speaker 1: It would be really really great to do a horror 2227 02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:28,480 Speaker 1: movie again and to have some sort of ownership on it. 2228 02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:30,520 Speaker 1: And I was looking for a project like that in 2229 02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:33,720 Speaker 1: the case. And then he came back to me and said, hey, 2230 02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:36,320 Speaker 1: we've got the we've got some money for this, and 2231 02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:39,919 Speaker 1: um and we've also got Lynn Shay, who's this amazing 2232 02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:43,920 Speaker 1: actress and it's sort of really well respected in the genre. Um. 2233 02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:45,880 Speaker 1: So I was like, oh great, Yeah, I got to 2234 02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:48,840 Speaker 1: read it again. UM, and it's so it was something 2235 02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,360 Speaker 1: that we all have a small percentage of ownership in 2236 02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:56,000 Speaker 1: as filmmakers, um, which was kind of a cool thing. 2237 02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:00,240 Speaker 1: And then um, Henry Thomas joined Who's who's the grown 2238 02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:03,360 Speaker 1: up now? But he was the boy in et really 2239 02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:06,760 Speaker 1: cool actor. And then when I found this amazing kid. 2240 02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:09,800 Speaker 1: So we had this sort of small cast of characters 2241 02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:13,400 Speaker 1: and a location carry it sort of found all these 2242 02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:16,400 Speaker 1: interesting places upstate New York and a friend of his 2243 02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,040 Speaker 1: where we shot some of the Haunted house where Lynn 2244 02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:22,720 Speaker 1: was staying on the Haunted it her workshop, and then 2245 02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:26,880 Speaker 1: this amazing house that we shot the film in. So 2246 02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:28,400 Speaker 1: it was all lined up and it was all very 2247 02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:32,839 Speaker 1: simple and and that's how it began. I didn't realize 2248 02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:35,440 Speaker 1: that there was going to be no cell phone reception 2249 02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:39,560 Speaker 1: upon arriving upstate New we were we were isolated in 2250 02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:42,720 Speaker 1: reality as the characters were in this. We had no 2251 02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:46,440 Speaker 1: cellphone reception. We were kind of three hours from New York, 2252 02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:49,080 Speaker 1: but it felt it felt like forever away from New 2253 02:02:49,160 --> 02:02:52,880 Speaker 1: York because of this no cell phone reception. Um, and 2254 02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're in this remote but beautiful part of 2255 02:02:56,640 --> 02:03:00,440 Speaker 1: the state and to be honest. The real horror was 2256 02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:03,080 Speaker 1: the chicks. I don't know if you know anything about 2257 02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:08,040 Speaker 1: ticks in life, just ticks. You know, the director got 2258 02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:10,120 Speaker 1: bitten by a chick. That was like the scariest thing 2259 02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:14,600 Speaker 1: on set. Um So that was horror. Like walking in 2260 02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:16,240 Speaker 1: the grass not knowing if we're going to get like 2261 02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:19,320 Speaker 1: getten by a tick. I'm gonna cut your ball. I've 2262 02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:22,160 Speaker 1: been bid by tickets. Not fun. It's not fun, you know, 2263 02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:28,160 Speaker 1: you know absolutely, I'm texting get the stage or did 2264 02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, Oh that's good? Yeah, good good. I mean 2265 02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:34,800 Speaker 1: that's the that's the things, the checks, just what could happen? Yeah, 2266 02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:40,440 Speaker 1: So anyway, my friend, this is really you know the 2267 02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:42,120 Speaker 1: thing about it. I'm first of all, thank you for 2268 02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:44,080 Speaker 1: doing the show, and thank you for coming to my 2269 02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:47,080 Speaker 1: show promoting it. And I just as as a person 2270 02:03:47,120 --> 02:03:49,200 Speaker 1: who looks out and looks at the person a talent 2271 02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:51,160 Speaker 1: like you over the years, because you one of those 2272 02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:53,640 Speaker 1: people where you know, I'm I'm I'm I got I 2273 02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:57,360 Speaker 1: got Netflix, I got Amazon, I got Direct TV. If 2274 02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:00,520 Speaker 1: all that goes out, I got comcasts and finn I'm 2275 02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:05,880 Speaker 1: gonna watch some TV. My life is really so know that, 2276 02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:08,520 Speaker 1: so know that I'm always scanning through and looking at 2277 02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,840 Speaker 1: familiar faces, and I look at the talent like yours, 2278 02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:13,240 Speaker 1: and I realized that, you know, your body work is 2279 02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:16,520 Speaker 1: tremendous and it's diverse, and so I just pointed out 2280 02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:19,400 Speaker 1: three movies that I like, I'm just telling my listeners here, 2281 02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:22,160 Speaker 1: but your body of workers outstanding and and every time 2282 02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:25,080 Speaker 1: you don't disappoint and when you when they say action, 2283 02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:27,640 Speaker 1: you're there and you're delivering on the big in a 2284 02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:30,000 Speaker 1: big way. And the fact that you're now stepping into 2285 02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:33,720 Speaker 1: our ownership portion of a project called DreamCatcher, which is 2286 02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,360 Speaker 1: lin Skate Home Entertainment. You can go right now online 2287 02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:38,640 Speaker 1: and watch it. You know, here we're in the middle 2288 02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:42,240 Speaker 1: of the pandemic. Everybody's watching TV, everybody's downloading things. This 2289 02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:44,120 Speaker 1: should be one of the movies you should be downloading 2290 02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:48,560 Speaker 1: right now. Correct. Oh yeah, apparently a lot of people 2291 02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:51,280 Speaker 1: are downloading. I'm not sure the stats that like it's 2292 02:04:51,320 --> 02:04:54,800 Speaker 1: doing quite well, which was, you know, great for everybody involved, 2293 02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:58,480 Speaker 1: and it's actually really kind of gratifying TV able to 2294 02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:01,960 Speaker 1: contribute in the moment, like it feels like, you know, 2295 02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:04,600 Speaker 1: we're all stuck in our houses, we're all kind of 2296 02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:08,160 Speaker 1: freaking out on some level. I mean it we've been true. 2297 02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's like moments of anxiety and 2298 02:05:10,600 --> 02:05:12,400 Speaker 1: then it's okay, and then it's like, you know, just 2299 02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:15,440 Speaker 1: not knowing what's going on. So it's nice to be 2300 02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:18,240 Speaker 1: able to give something new to people in that time, 2301 02:05:18,360 --> 02:05:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, a new a new story of you know, 2302 02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:23,400 Speaker 1: something fun, something not super serious. Um, just to kind 2303 02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:27,840 Speaker 1: of contribute during this period. Well, my friend, you contributed 2304 02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:30,960 Speaker 1: on my show, and thank you. We'll ending out that 2305 02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:33,480 Speaker 1: little a little moment with the doorbell that's going to 2306 02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:36,360 Speaker 1: be removed, and we're going to promote this heavily on 2307 02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:39,760 Speaker 1: my brand, uh, my social media followers, my fan club, 2308 02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:45,480 Speaker 1: my podcast, my syndicated radio. 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