1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Thursday edition. Major breaking 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: news on this edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. We are reacting to it with you in 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: real time. In the last hour, Joe Mansion addressed a 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: huge scrum of media outside of the United States Capital 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: and effectively submarined the three point five trillion dollar Bernie 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: and Biden budget, saying he will support no more than 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: one point five trillion of that cost, meaning he wopped 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: off by himself two trillion from the proposed budget. Why 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: is this significant? We're gonna walk it, walk you through 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: it here, but let's first play a clip of Joe 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Mansion saying the reason why his vote matters so much 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: is there's only fifty Senators and fifty votes for this 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: record conciliation budget, and so if he's not getting what 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: he believes should be in that bill, then he's not 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: going to support it. Here is Mansion saying that we 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: only have fifty votes. Basically, take whatever we don't aren't 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: able to come to agreement with today and take that 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail next year, and I'm sure that 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: you'll get many more liberal progressive Democrats with what they 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: say they want. Okay, so that is Joe Mansion just 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: moments ago in the last hour outside of the Capitol. 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: Let's kind of set this in context, Buck. Right now, 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: there is an infrastructure bill that the expectations were it 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: would come before the House on Monday. They have pushed 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: that now to today. The last I have heard is 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: that they are expecting to bring that bill to the 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: floor of the House. It has already passed the Senate 30 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: with bipartisan support. Now the challenge is the liberal elements, 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: the most liberal elements of the Democratic Party have said 32 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: they don't want to vote for these bills separately because 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: their concern is, and I think it's probably a valid 34 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: one based on what you just heard Joe Mansion say, 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: as soon as the infrastructure bill passes, there will not 36 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: then be a three point five trillion or maybe even 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: a one point five trillion dollar bill that they can 38 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: follow and they can pursue. So we'll see whether or 39 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: not that comes to the floor or not. The big 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: takeaway here is Joe Mansion has lopped off two trillion 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: dollars from this expense. Still a lot of money, but 42 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: two trillion dollars gone buck And now the question is 43 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: is this going to torpedo the infrastructure bill, potentially the 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: budget at large, and everything is just going to go 45 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: up and smoke all at once on Joe Biden's legislative agenda. 46 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: How would you assess it. I'm trying to lay it 47 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: out because I know this is complicated for people out 48 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: there who haven't been following this legislative minutia and are 49 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: a little bit confused as to what might be going on. 50 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: So I'm torn on this clay because on the one hand, there's, oh, look, 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: Democrat in fighting, isn't this entertaining? And yes, maybe it 52 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: won't be a complete blowout of overspending. But on the 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: other hand, one point five trillion dollars in reconciliation package, 54 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, half a trillion or a trillion dollars on 55 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: infrastructure or whatever it ends up being. These are massive 56 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: amounts of money. This is These are this is an 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: addition to the federal expenditures that are currently you know, 58 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: locked into the budget, and no one even really questions 59 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: they're going to raise the debt ceiling. The spending is 60 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: going to continue, Inflation is going to keep rising. You 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: have people that are arguing openly now for modern monetary theory, 62 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: and I mean elected officials, never mind the talking heads 63 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: who just want to live in a fantasy world. But 64 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: also I'm reminded of how for anybody who wonders about 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: things like, do we really have to I don't know, 66 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: account for every vote our election on It's something we 67 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: really need to pay much attention to. Hat tip. My 68 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: friend Charles, Charles Cook down in Florida, he had he 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: had some fun numbers. He'd remind everybody, Clay, as we're 70 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: looking at the trillions and trillions of dollars that are 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: that hang in the balance, you had thirteen thousand, four 72 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one votes in Georgia that prevented Perdue 73 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: from getting to fifty percent back in November, which remember 74 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: one Senate seat, This is not happening about how many 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: how many voters are we talking about in Florida here? 76 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: Really as well? Right, you look at the difference between 77 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: just one Senate seat in one state, You look at 78 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: how close some of these races were, and what would 79 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: be right now a total gridlock situation where there'd be 80 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: no additional spending, Really, there'd be fighting maybe just over 81 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: a much more modest infrastructure package. Every vote counts, friends, 82 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, every every election, every vote, every opportunity to 83 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: stand in the way of what I mean, I think 84 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: it's just fiscally ruinous. I mean, that's where you have 85 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: to see the Democrats for who they are, that they're 86 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: willing to roll the dice on this stuff because there's 87 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: an emotional belief in a lot of this it's the 88 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: right thing to do, even if it means there's inflation, 89 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: even if it means the economy staggers and falls. They 90 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: think this is what is righteous, not necessarily what is 91 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: sound or sensible. Well, I will say this, a part 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: of me thinks that Joe Manchion is crazy like a 93 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: fox and trying to blow this whole thing up while 94 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: pretending that he's not. Because, as you mentioned in the 95 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: last hour, he's also saying that he wants the High 96 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Amendment in place, which for people out there who have 97 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: not paid a lot of attention to the High Amendment, 98 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: it essentially prohibits the use of federal funds tax dollars 99 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: to pay for abortions. Right. I mean, I think I'm 100 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: synthesizing that in a decent way and Joe Biden flipped 101 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: on the High Amendment as a part of his presidential campaign. 102 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: But I can't imagine where we are right now with 103 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: the Mississippi case soon to be in front of the 104 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, Buck, I just can't imagine the Democratic Democrats 105 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: in the House and Senate agreeing to that. And the 106 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: High Amendment point is important for of course, whether or 107 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: not that's actually going to be a stumbling block here. 108 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: But also I think today is the forty fifth anniversary 109 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: of the passage of the High Amendment back in nineteen 110 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: seventy six, one hundred and seven. This is hat tip 111 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Michael Knew for this historical background. One hundred and seven 112 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: House Democrats supported the first High Amendment. Every budget proposed 113 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: by President Obama included the High Amendment, and yet this 114 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: year all House Democrats decided for they would vote for 115 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: a budget that didn't include it. End quote Clay. The 116 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: Democrat Party has moved to absolutism on the issue. I mean, 117 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: it used to be just considered that was a concession 118 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: they we're going to make. We're not going to actually 119 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: take your tax dollars and pay for abortions. The Democrat 120 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: Party of Joe Biden. This is a new thing. Is 121 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: the Democrat party that rejects the High Amendment. So the 122 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: fact that Mansion, you know, they're gonna say, oh, what's 123 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: he doing, He's not. The extremists are the people that 124 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: want to dramatically change everything and act like they have 125 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: a mandate when they don't. The radicals are not the 126 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: people that are saying, hold on, let's look at what's 127 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: really going on. It's the people that are saying, shut up, 128 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: put two thousand, two hundred and whatever pages through, spend 129 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: trillions of dollars and break from traditions in the Congress 130 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: of the past that had been used to cool the 131 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: temperature down a little bit. That those are the radicals, 132 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: they're Democrats. Well, and this is why in real time 133 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated to react to this, because again, the 134 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion official statement going public just happened in the 135 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: last hour, and Buck, I want to know how it 136 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: changes the calculus of the infrastructure bill. In addition to 137 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: the fact that Joe Mansion may have blown up the 138 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Bernie Joe Biden budget, which he certainly has in many ways, 139 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: has he blown up infrastructure and so is his calculated 140 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: decision here. I mean, is he setting up everything to 141 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: blow up? Because remember he wrote a Wall Street Journal 142 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: piece saying we need a strategic pause. He's been very 143 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: focused on inflation, which I think, to his credit, he 144 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: should be. And now is he trying to basically get 145 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: it all into twenty twenty two? You know, he said, hey, 146 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure if that this stuff is so popular, they 147 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 1: can run on it in twenty twenty two. He knows 148 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: he's not an idiot. He knows that they're not going 149 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: to have the house next year and they're not going 150 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: to be able to pass this. This was this was 151 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: a great moment from his press conference out of the 152 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: steps of the Capital, Joe Mansion pointing out, so because 153 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: this really this brings it home for people. We keep 154 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: talking about inflation three percent, five percent, It was going 155 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: to be transitory or transient or whatever. No, it's actually 156 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: now long term and reel and rising. Dollar General. Sure, 157 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: a lot of you've been there, I've been there. Dollar 158 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: General's got some great stuff. No longer Dollar General. Joe 159 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: Mansion points out, I give you a perfect example in 160 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: West Virginia. I just saw the day to to where 161 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: the one dollar a boy called General Dollar story dollar general. 162 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: They're not long a dollar general, dollar a quarter dollar 163 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: fifty cent general. That's hard for us. For James, a 164 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: lot of people do the shop there. I mean, there 165 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: you go. I think that makes it real for people. 166 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: Clay Well, unlike Jen Psaki, he seems to understand that 167 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: when businesses have higher costs, they have to raise prices. 168 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: Remember earlier this week we played Jen Psaki saying it 169 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: would be so unjust and inequitable for any business to 170 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: raise prices. Now, that's how inflation works. When the business 171 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: has to pay more money for their product, they pass 172 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: that cost along to consumers, which becomes a default tax increase. 173 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: And that's what many of you are seeing all over 174 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: this country right now when we're talking about five percent inflation. 175 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: So I think Joe Biden is I mean sorry, I 176 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: think Joe Manchin is right here about the way that 177 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: he is responding to the Biden budget. And I wonder, 178 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: Buck again, one is he trying to submarine all this 179 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: torpedo at two? Is the antipathy going to become so 180 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: pronounced against Joe Manch that he really thinks significantly about 181 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: changing parties? I mean maybe I think he's summary. I 182 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: don't think he's submarining at all. I think he knows 183 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: he's the he's in the captain's chair, my man, he's 184 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: at the helm. I think he figures they're gonna have 185 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: to come toward him, and that the more moderate Democrats 186 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: now have cover among their constituencies and the radical Democrats 187 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: got their whole. Oh but we tried so hard. We 188 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: tried for that three point five trillion. But let everyone's 189 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean clay, They're going to spend a mind blowing 190 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: amount of money if they pass any of this, and 191 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: Democrats will just have to accept that and liver it. 192 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: Because alternatively, what is the Biden agenda in the year 193 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one? What worked well with Joe Biden and 194 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: the Democrats in child Well, I would say I would 195 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: give credit to Joe Biden potentially for this idea if 196 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: I thought he was capable of coming up with it. 197 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: Is it possible Biden never wanted the three five. He 198 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: didn't want to have a fight with the liberal wing 199 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: of his base over not wanting the three five. And 200 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: he's had a secret handshake agreement with Joe Mansion on 201 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: exactly how much Joe Mansion will support four months knowing 202 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: they needed his vote in order to get through and reconciliation. 203 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: And so Joe Biden, staying quiet, has known about this 204 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: all long, and he's letting Joe Mansion take the flak 205 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: from the left wing of his party, which actually helps 206 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion's chances of reelection in twenty twenty four because 207 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: he can say I stood up to my party. And 208 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: what about Biden's interest in all of this. If you 209 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: get let the three point five trillion started to go 210 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: through and people say, oh, but they're spending, you know, 211 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: then then you get all the people that pretend they're 212 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: wanks and they're all just echoing with some nerd from 213 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: the Washington Post is saying because he read it from 214 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, what will end up happening is that the 215 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: markets will start to react to the increase in the 216 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: government spending earlier on right. You'll start to see this 217 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: reflected in what expectations will be of at some level 218 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: that becomes the psychology dictates the market. And what is 219 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: a real problem for Joe Biden and the Democrats going 220 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: into the midterms in general gas prices, food prices, inflation. 221 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: So they're almost saved from their worst spending spending ideas 222 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: and influences by going with this middle pathway where they 223 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: can say to their left wing socialist base, we got 224 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: a lot, but it's not our fault. 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There's no one has ever thought I was. 260 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: I've been governor, I've been state Secretary of State, I've 261 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: been State Legislature, I've been a US Senator, and I 262 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: had voted pretty consistently all my whole life. I don't 263 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: fold any of them who believe that they're much more 264 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: progressive and much more liberal, God bless them. And all 265 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: they need to do is we have to elect more 266 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: I guess for them to get there, so elect more liberals. 267 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: But I'm not asking them to change. I'm willing to 268 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: come from zero to one five there. He had Joe 269 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: Manchin with the bombshell today about price bags one point 270 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: five trillion not three point five trillion. Now, whether that 271 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: should be considered a bombshell, and whether that's too much 272 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: spending as it is, something we'll continue to talk about here. 273 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Clay and Buck Show. We said 274 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: we've got lines open, and of course we do. Eight 275 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: hundred two A two two Ay two and clay buck 276 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: dot Com is the website for all of your Clallion 277 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: Buck needs, including stories, updates, show prep videos, all kinds 278 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: of good stuff. There we have Robert in Waldorf, Maryland. 279 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: What's up, Robert. Thank you for taking my call. Gentlemen, 280 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: it's good to talk to you. Thank you, sir, appreciate it. 281 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch here, 282 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: mister mansion is you know that's good news. But you 283 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: gotta remember, man, we had nineteen treasonous Republicans roll over 284 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: on this last bill. What was that one point five trillion? 285 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: You know, they showed their true colors. You can't you 286 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: just so you can't count your number that You've got 287 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: twenty of them in the House right now that say 288 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: they're a yes vote on this three point five trillion. 289 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: One of them is the Jeff Van Drew who who 290 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: was a Republican but you know I wasn't a Democrat, 291 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: but now he's a Republican. Yeah, met me. I appreciate 292 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: the call. Let me take a step back. There are 293 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: two bills going through right now. The one that you're 294 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: referring to that Republicans helped pard in the Senate. They 295 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: passed I believe bucket was sixty nine to thirty, if 296 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. Nineteen House Senate, including Mitch McConnell, sorry, senators, 297 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: voted for that. That is pending right now in the House, 298 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: and there is some talk that it might be voted 299 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: on today. That is the infrastructure bill. No Republicans are 300 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: supporting at all. The budget bill, the three point five 301 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: trillion tons saying yea one is going to be only 302 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: one point five trillion, So that's a little bit confusing. 303 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: So if you're upset with Republicans supporting the infrastructure bill, buck, 304 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: The reason why Mitch McConnell did that is they were 305 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: gambling that infrastructure would pass and then the budget would 306 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: implode because the moderates in the Democratic Party would not 307 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: support it, and that may or may not end up happening. 308 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: But that's where we are from a strategic perspective. Jim 309 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: in North Carolina. We got about a minute, Jim, but 310 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: want to get you in. Hey, good afternoon, fellas. I 311 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: believe this, uh, this announcement by Joe Manson, it's just 312 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: a Democratic boy. I think all along they knew that 313 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: the American people didn't want or wouldn't wouldn't be happy 314 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: with a three and a half trillion dollar spending bill. 315 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: So Joe Manson came out and now he's saying one 316 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: and a half, and I think that's just their way 317 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: of getting one and a half trillion dollars pushed through 318 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: with no pushback. Everybody's like, well, at least it's not 319 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: three and a half through and it's only one and 320 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 1: a half. Well that's our buck. Yeah, That's that's how 321 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: I see it. That's what I think's going on, Jim, 322 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: So you and I I think this is what what's 323 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: the moment of celebration here for Republicans. We're not spending 324 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: ourselves into oblivion like there is no tomorrow. We're going 325 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: at half speed. I mean, there's we'll see. We'll see 326 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: if if, if, if the bill goes through. It's not 327 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: something to be celebrated in my mind, but we'll see. 328 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: We're gonna continue to break this down and more. But 329 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: in the meantime, Hey, inflation's roaring. You're probably trying to 330 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: make some money yourself. Why not trust our friends at 331 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: American Financing. You can make a ten minute phone call 332 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: can save you twelve thousand dollars over the course of 333 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: a year, a thousand dollars or more a month lower 334 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: interest rate on your mortgage. You can REFI if you 335 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: haven't done it already, we're talking about the lowest mortgage 336 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: rates of any of our lives. 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Welcome 346 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We are going 347 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: to continue to follow what could be a very wild 348 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: day on Capitol Hill, and has already been a wild day. 349 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: It started the third hour of the program. Here we'll 350 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: come back in and discuss where we are with the budget, 351 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: with the absolute latest that is being discussed on Capitol 352 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: Hill in the meantime. We mentioned this yesterday and I 353 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: want to keep hammering it because but for Republican governors, 354 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: and but for our own system of federalism, we would 355 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: have lost our mind and become Australia. This is the 356 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: new South Wales Premiere saying that even when the COVID 357 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: lockdown's in, unvaccinated people in Australia are going to face 358 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: total so social isolation indefinitely. Buck. Basically, they're never going 359 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: to be able to live as normal people. Listen, to this. 360 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: I want to be very clear, life for the unvaccinated 361 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: will be very difficult indefinitely. All right, So that was 362 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: a pretty quick statement there, But would you buy this, 363 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: like by next year, let's say, like we get into March, 364 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: we get into April, do you think this vaccination obsession 365 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: is still going to be going on in our country 366 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: or do you think will have moved on? Because cases 367 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: will have come down, so the obsession is not going 368 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: to be still there entirely dependent upon the caseload, right, 369 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: because here's here's what's going to happen. They're gonna have 370 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: to find ways to justify why what they've done to 371 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: this point has yet again for the however many times 372 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: not worked as they've said that it would and the scapegoats. 373 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Here will be two things, one the unvaccinated. But Clay, 374 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: I also think depending on how bad things get this winter, 375 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna say this, I'm bad. I'm very 376 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: curious where you are on this. I'm back and forth 377 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: in my head. Yeah, because over where this is heading 378 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: over the winter time. On the one side of it, 379 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: you know, I felt like, okay, we know the vaccines 380 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: fade and efficacy they still apparently do a pretty good 381 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: job to keep you out of the hospital and death. 382 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: So far, there is that troubling data out of the UK. 383 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: But we'll see, right, so far the data hasn't. We 384 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: haven't had that breakthrough yet. We say, oh my gosh, 385 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: they don't just fade a little bit. They fade into 386 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: almost irrelevance over an eight month period or a ten 387 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: month period. We don't know, But part of me also says, 388 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: maybe we have so much natural and vaccinated immunity this 389 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: winter that you're you're gonna have case. There's no question. 390 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: But it maybe at that level where people start to 391 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: feel like I don't have to act like a total 392 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: lunatic anymore, because the lunatics are still really calling the shots. 393 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean, the people that are a mask up forever. 394 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: Someone sent me a study today, Clay that is actually 395 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: suggesting I thought it had to be a joke, to 396 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: be fair, I haven't read the study, but it was 397 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: a real study that's been published about how triple masking 398 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: is actually the most effective form which I used to 399 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: bring up as a joke about the double maskers. Now 400 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: that's that's the next level. There was a period you 401 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: remember that as well, when goggles started to be talked 402 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: about now after wonder, because you can get aerosolized virus 403 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: that can actually it's much easier if it comes in 404 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: your nose, your mouth, but it actually can enter through 405 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: the eyes apparently too, at least theoretically. Well they're doing 406 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: in Australia though, you know, they're not even beginning to 407 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: calculate the social cost to people, which is when this 408 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: New South Wales premiere says unvaccinated Sydney residents face total exclusion. 409 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: Think of the psychological and of course economic and health 410 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: damage that has been done to people over the last 411 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: eighteen months, and a lot of it is completely unjustifiable 412 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: based on the numbers. Never mind the concept of freedom, 413 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: which comes with risk, and that's what's been rejected here. 414 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: Free individuals are going to make decisions. They're going to 415 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: drive too fast, they're going to drink too much, they're 416 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: going to vote for the quote wrong party. Right, you 417 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: can start to see where this all goes, and the 418 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: leftist authoritarian mentality is we need to stamp out all 419 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: that freedom, and COVID just becomes the great excuse. This 420 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: is why we were talking earlier in the first hour 421 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: about when you see. I walk my kids to school 422 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: every day. It's a great luxury. We've got a neighborhood school, 423 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: public school. I can walk my two youngest to school 424 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: every single day. So I have my fifth grader in 425 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: my first grader. I walk them to school, and I 426 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: pass a lot of parents, I know a lot of them, 427 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: and most people in my neighborhood. You know, kids aren't 428 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: wearing masks, but some of the kids still are. And 429 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: when I see a kid that is wearing a mask 430 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: or preparing to wear a mask in school, I just 431 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: think how awful the last eighteen months of those people's 432 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: lives must have been, and how much damage they likely 433 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: have done psychologically to their kids by convincing them there 434 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: in danger from something that isn't a danger. And buck 435 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: before COVID happened, if you had had a friend who 436 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: was a parent, and that friend had said, yeah, I'm 437 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: nervous about taking my kids to school today because I'm 438 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: afraid we're going to die in a traffic accident on 439 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: the way to school or to walk to school with 440 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: my kids today. But I'm a little bit afraid that 441 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: somebody's going to drive by and murder us, or if 442 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: they had said, hey, you know, it's flu season. I'm 443 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: thinking about not putting my kids in school because I'm 444 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: terrified they're going to die of the seasonal flu. All 445 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: of those things are far more likely to kill children 446 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: than covid is. If anyone had made those arguments as 447 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: a mom or a dad, you would have thought that 448 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: they had significant psychological issues. You really would have, and 449 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been a crazy idea, and they would 450 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: That's why they and they would have And that's where 451 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: we are with something that is far less danger to 452 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: their children now, and we've normalized it in a country 453 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: like Australia. I'm thankful that at least we have federalism 454 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: and republican governors, because but for that, we would have 455 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: descended into the insanity that is Australia. You know, Clay, 456 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I sent this to the team last night 457 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: and I thought you would like it because you often 458 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: bring up here the basis of science and how while 459 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: people like Fouch you walk around saying I am science, 460 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: reality is that they're actually undermining the scientific method, scientific inquiry, 461 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: and just on a philosophical level, the right to ask 462 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: questions based and then and then have answers that are 463 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: based on data and that can be tested and retested 464 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: through hypotheses. And there's a there's a quote that's been 465 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: circulating back from nineteen ninety six. This was doctor Carl 466 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: Sagan on the Charlie Rose Show. And here's what he 467 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: says about science. We've got it, I know we are. 468 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a 469 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe 470 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: with a fine understanding of human fallibility. If if we 471 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those 472 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical 473 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: of those in authority, then we're up for grabs for 474 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: the next charlatan political religious who comes ambling along. Wow, 475 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: that's so well said. I mean that that ties in 476 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: right now with We didn't talk about this a lot yesterday, 477 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: but YouTube is now censoring anyone who says anything negative 478 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: about the COVID vaccine. Think of who's going to be 479 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: doing this, By the way, they outsource this to what 480 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: they call independent fact checkers. I know something about some 481 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: of these fact checkers, but there are people that they're like, 482 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: they're they're like the rejects from media matters. I mean, 483 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: these are people that are at the generally the bottom 484 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: of the list of those in journalism and media that 485 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: you would actually want to be doing anything like this, 486 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: but they're given tremendous power, and it's because they're the 487 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: hatchet men, so to speak. I mean, they're the attack 488 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: dogs of the left under the guise of being independent 489 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: fact checkers. I've come under attack from them before for 490 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: stuff online. They're all idiots. They don't care about free inquiry, 491 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: and they don't care when they're wrong. By the way, 492 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: because as we know, Clay, the purpose isn't really about 493 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: what's true and what it's not true. For these people, 494 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: the main goal, the main purpose is to get you 495 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: to comply. It's about power. It's totally about power. And 496 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm with you. The fact checkers should be the smartest 497 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: people in all of media because the power that they're 498 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: being given to determine truth or falsehood is so important. 499 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: But instead, oftentimes they are partisan hacks who are just 500 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: seeking to score political points. And I've had this happen 501 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: to me. I know you've had it happened to you. 502 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: You can share an opinion on Facebook, not allowed, can 503 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: share an opinion on Twitter. Not allowed. I've had predictions. 504 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: I've had prediction, not permitted, not permitted. I think this 505 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: will happen in six months. In this regard to COVID, 506 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh no, you know, not allowed to do that. Missing 507 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: for they'll put a little misinformation tag blow or whatever. 508 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: And the fact that they, I mean, the YouTube ceo 509 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: recently would which was Jinski or whatever her name is, 510 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: like Susan Wazinski or something like that, I think, And 511 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: and she's saying, you know, oh, the First Amendments. It's 512 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: an important principle for us. These social media platforms were 513 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: built on a lie. That's what people need to remember. 514 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: They became so prominent, they got where they are by 515 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: pretending to be pro free speech and platforms for the 516 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: free exchange of ideas. They are now effectively, you know, 517 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: DNC controlled fiefdoms when it really matters, not on everything. Yeah, 518 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: if you're a Republican, you can put some stuff on 519 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: your Facebook or whatever. But when Hunter Biden is about 520 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: to have a big story that might blow up the 521 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: Biden campaign right before the election, they know they can 522 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: be counted on. They know that they're supposed to step 523 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: in and tip the scale to one side, and this 524 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: was a really it's like they've lied to society. I mean, 525 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: that's the way I view it. They are they are 526 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: false in the premises they used to become successful. So 527 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: I do not like them. Clay, I'm I'm upsets with 528 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: the social media players. One reason I'm excited we have 529 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: this show because I expect fully at some point for 530 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: you and or I to come into the band hammer 531 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: with some of these social media sites because we're saying 532 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: things that are uncomfortable truths for them. 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We 559 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: are trying to bring you up to speed as much 560 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: as we can on all that has gone on here 561 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: with Joe Manchin today making it really hard for Democrats 562 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: to think they're going to get all they want in 563 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: the budget bill, the reconciliation process they're trying to go 564 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: through here, and we're continuing to see this play out 565 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: we'll update you as much as we can on how 566 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: much they're actually going to get through and get done today. 567 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, it said there'd be an infrastructure of today. 568 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: So in the next hour we'll dive into this with 569 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: all of you a little bit more. But we were 570 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: just talking about COVID and where we stand out, and 571 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: we're not going to let this go. Apparently, doctor Fauci 572 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: the Fouch appeared on another radio show, a different show 573 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: than this one, and it got a little bit contentious. 574 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the transcript yet anything else, but we'll 575 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: go we'll go chase this one down. Play what I mean. 576 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: The Fouch is running around and being a mouthpiece for 577 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: the vaccine mandates as people we are losing their jobs, 578 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: and here's an example of it. The only problem is 579 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: is that we're entering the coolest full season, and we're 580 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: entering a situation where children will be coming back to school, 581 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: there'll be more activity in the full We have got 582 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: to do whatever we can to get those already seventy 583 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: or so million people who are eligible to be vaccinated. 584 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: We've got him get them to be vaccinated. We've got 585 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: to convince them through the trusted messages why it's important 586 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: for their own health, for that of their families, but 587 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: also something that we continue to emphasize the societal responsibility 588 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: to get that veil of protection over society. Well, first 589 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: of all, we know that schools are not a big 590 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: driver the pandemic. We've known that for over a year. 591 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: He's full of it. We see it in Europe, the 592 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: same thing. But Clay also, they're not we're past the 593 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to ask and convince. We're at the 594 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: get the shot or you lose your job phase. And 595 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: it's interesting Inta Fauci isn't willing to say that. Well, 596 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: and also they keep saying mandates are really effective. Yeah, 597 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: and you use the analogy the same way that pulling 598 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: a gun on somebody is effective to get money. Like, 599 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the right, but yes, if you tell people, 600 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: if you don't get vaccinated, you are going to lose 601 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: your job. And I think we need to hammer home 602 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: how many people are vaccinated, because I don't think it 603 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: gets talked about enough. Buck For people who are sixty 604 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: five years and older, ninety four percent of the country 605 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: has been vaccinated. Let me repeat that, people who are 606 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: sixty five years and older, ninety four percent of Americans, 607 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: and these are the people that are at the most 608 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: risk have been vaccinated. Eighteen and up, seventy seven percent 609 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: of the population has been vaccinated. For people who are 610 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: twelve and up, seventy five percent have been vaccinated. We're 611 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: not talking We're talking about three out of four people 612 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: who are twelve years or older have had a vaccine shot. 613 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: The people who are vaccinated are the ones that are 614 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: driving the mitigation policies and thus masking in schools and 615 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: all this stuff's true, and to you have to wonder, 616 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: at what point will they just say there is no 617 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: level of risk that I'm willing to tolerate. I'll do 618 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: anything that anyone tells me will mitigate risk, even in 619 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: the slightest for at thirty risk in the first place, Right, 620 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: it's they should be the thinking of people who are vaccinated, 621 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: if they really believe what they at least publicly say 622 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: should be we go back to normal tomorrow, because everyone's 623 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: had the chance. Everyone's been able to get the shot 624 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: more than enough time. People are not going to be 625 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: forced to get the shot, and most shot it. And 626 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: and what's amazing is when and most people got it. 627 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: And what's amazing is when you look at the numbers, 628 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: the people who are scared are overwhelmingly the vaccinated, Yes, 629 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: and the unvaccinated are not scared. Now I can tell 630 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: them this, They're not going to convince them to be 631 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: scared at this point. That will not happen, and telling 632 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: them they have to do something is not the way 633 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: I'll put myself in this category. I am far less 634 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: likely to get a vaccine. Again, I've had COVID already 635 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: having antibodies, but I'm far less likely to get a vaccine. 636 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: When you tell me that I have to do it, 637 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: then I might have been in my own decision making process. 638 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: And I think there are a lot of people in 639 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: that final twenty five percent that think, like me, you're 640 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: not encouraging that in any way by a mandate. And 641 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: there's also a part of this I don't think gets 642 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: much conversation, but I think there are people who you know, 643 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: the VACS, the VACS mandate crowd may call them free, 644 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: free riders on this, so to speak, but well, once 645 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: you get to seventy eighty percent of the population that's vaccinated, 646 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, the chance of you coming into contact with 647 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: somebody down the line who's going to have a high 648 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: viral load keeps going down and down and down. We're 649 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: not in the early stages of the pandemic anymore, and 650 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: so if somebody wants to look, they're playing their odds right. 651 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: They're making an affirmative decision that they're saying, I think 652 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: I'll beat this if I get it, and you know 653 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: what if I don't. That's the reality of it. But 654 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: behind all of this play is the people who are 655 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: vaccinated who view this as a as an issue of 656 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: political tribal allegiance. Now are the ones who are still terrified. 657 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: Want your kids masked up, want everyone to get boosters, 658 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: want ever to keep going with all this stuff? Why 659 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: aren't Why don't they feel safe? They got the shot, 660 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: they say, the shots what you need? What's the problem? 661 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: How about buck the fact that we don't hear enough. 662 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: Ninety four percent of people sixty five and up have 663 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: gotten a vaccine. You know how hard it is to 664 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: get ninety four percent of people to agree on anything. 665 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: That's a tremendous success story. I think the fact that 666 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: seventy seven percent of eighteen and up have is a 667 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: tremendous success story. The reality is Fauci told us when 668 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: seventy five or eighty percent of people got the vaccine initially, 669 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: we'd never have any more issue. Fauci was wrong. Yeah again, 670 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: this is I mean, at some point people just deserve 671 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: what they get from Faucism, and they deserve it, you know, 672 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: long and hard. Because this guy's been wrong so many times, 673 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine anyone couldn't see through it. But 674 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: we'll come back into what's going on with Florida, the 675 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: absence of coverage of the big dropping cases and the 676 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: funniest ad we've seen a long time about it, more 677 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: on the Showdown with mansion of the debt all that 678 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: coming up our three. You're listening to Clay Travis send 679 00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton fund the EIB network tho