WEBVTT - Racial Disparity in the Criminal Justice System

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<v Speaker 1>What's good. Family, I'm your girl to make a d

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<v Speaker 1>Mallory and your boy my son in general, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are your hosts of street politicians the place where the

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<v Speaker 1>street me. What's going on? My son Lennen. We had

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<v Speaker 1>a good week, relaxed a little bit. The weather ain't

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<v Speaker 1>completely freezing. It could be better, but it ain't freezing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's freezing. I don't know about completely absolutely freezing. Forty

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty is good. I take forty and fifty or

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<v Speaker 1>thirty and twenty is freezing because at night it's thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I've been going out at night here

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<v Speaker 1>and there. Okay, I just wanted to be I just

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<v Speaker 1>want the record outside with it. I've been going out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been looking cute and doing something because sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>the house is not going to accomplish any other thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I need to get done there. You can't make

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<v Speaker 1>no money in the house. People are yeah. But the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, in order to get the position in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to go outside, find the people, get the

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<v Speaker 1>relationships set up. Then you can bring the work inside

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<v Speaker 1>the house and make it happen. But you're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>ready to sit all day long on the internet and

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<v Speaker 1>never um with network with other individuals and then just

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a million dollar thing. It's not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you have a new product. You might be

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<v Speaker 1>making it in your basement, but at some point you

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<v Speaker 1>got to go selling it to somebody. Well, you got

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<v Speaker 1>enough resources. At this point, you've got enough resources relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>If you come there, you can sit there because you've

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<v Speaker 1>done it, and get on that computer and say let's

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<v Speaker 1>figure this out. Because I've been your way. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>telling you get outside of you where you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>go outside. I don't need to be outside. My bid

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<v Speaker 1>is perfect. I got my com you I'm working a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>I still have to go outside. I still have to

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<v Speaker 1>go outside. I still have to be at events. I

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<v Speaker 1>still have to Now we're opening back up. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>students don't want to necessarily be on virtual so I

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<v Speaker 1>have to go to states and meet people. COVID is

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a thing again where all of a sudden, folks

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<v Speaker 1>are starting to get infected with COVID and in large groups. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I just had Actually, my makeup artist was just telling

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<v Speaker 1>me that a group of her friends were together recently.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been getting together for a while, but just this

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<v Speaker 1>time that they got together, several people within the group

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<v Speaker 1>got COVID. Hopefully all of them will be fine and

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<v Speaker 1>it won't, you know, be life threatening. But that's also

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. So you know, there's a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>happening as always. But I do think that unfortunately we

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<v Speaker 1>have to I don't think we should ever return to

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<v Speaker 1>a time where people have to work every day outside

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<v Speaker 1>of their homes. I do not think that that is

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<v Speaker 1>um productive. I think we are. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's really true. I just I think there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be a balance of anything. That's what I'm saying. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I said every day, Well, because I love

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<v Speaker 1>that you have. Right. You can't sweep You can't sweep

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<v Speaker 1>the floors from your house, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't. You can't manage the story that's down a

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<v Speaker 1>block from your home. But what you can do, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is set it up where people have a work schedule

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<v Speaker 1>that allows coverage of individuals, so that one person is

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<v Speaker 1>not sweeping the floors for you know, forty hours a week,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead they get a certain amount of hours a

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<v Speaker 1>pay increase, so they're still making the same amount of money,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't really, they don't really. How you getting pad?

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<v Speaker 1>You want somebody getting paid? Let's work. No. No, that means,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, because first of all, people should to

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed time to be able to take a class,

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<v Speaker 1>learn some other. If we're if America is going to

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<v Speaker 1>at any point ever in life, in my lifetime, in

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<v Speaker 1>your lifetime, accomplish what it says and and rise to

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<v Speaker 1>its greatest place, then we would give people tools that

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<v Speaker 1>they need so that they can make more money and

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<v Speaker 1>be more successful. Right, But if you're a person who's

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<v Speaker 1>working all day, maybe two or three jobs, you might

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<v Speaker 1>not have time to take a class. Also while you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to take care of your kids so you can

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<v Speaker 1>get that promotion or what have you. The whole problem

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<v Speaker 1>is that people who are sweeping floors are getting paid

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<v Speaker 1>below the wage that it is required for them to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to take care of their families. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're making eight dollars an hour, that should not be

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<v Speaker 1>a thing anymore in our society, people, the minimum wage

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<v Speaker 1>increase at fifteen dollars should be the norm, and fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>dollars ain't ship. So the thing about this, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>I got a little mom and pop store, right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>paying five thousand dollars a month for the rent. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>paying each employee fifteen fifteen dollars. I need about five

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<v Speaker 1>or six employees, and I don't make the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>money to pay none of these people. So those those

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<v Speaker 1>things are realistic. So if if you have, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying that people have to have a minimum amount of things,

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<v Speaker 1>then there's less employees that I have. So if it's

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<v Speaker 1>less employees that I've had able to pay fifteen dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's less people that's able to work throughout forty

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<v Speaker 1>our day. So if I only got if I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>pay everybody fifteen hours, I've only got two people I

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<v Speaker 1>could pay, right, because I can't afford to pay nobody

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<v Speaker 1>else because I'm not making enough money. That the rent

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<v Speaker 1>is too high, especially when you look at inflation, the

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<v Speaker 1>rent and every the rent is too damn how everything

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<v Speaker 1>is going all the way up. So to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do what you're talking about, it's very hard. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say two points on this. The first thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that our government should be given better subsidies to

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<v Speaker 1>small businesses, right, so that these small businesses can access

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<v Speaker 1>capital to keep them afloat where they have two pools

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<v Speaker 1>of money, the money that they're bringing in from their

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<v Speaker 1>products and services and the money that the government is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to give and does give to some some businesses. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you are an m WBE in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know about other cities, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>there are m w b E programs other places, but

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<v Speaker 1>certainly in New York State, which is a minority woman

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<v Speaker 1>owned business, right, and you apply for all of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that takes of course, it's like it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like laying yourself on a slab and telling

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to stab you a thousand times in order for

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<v Speaker 1>you to actually get the certification. But if you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to get it one, you get in the pipeline for

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<v Speaker 1>more contracts. And that's everything from food services, cleaning services,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the little sweeping the floor jobs you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way up to you know, big contracts for

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<v Speaker 1>the airport and the build things and what have you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're supposed to be in line and sometimes front of

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<v Speaker 1>the line to be able to put r FPS into

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<v Speaker 1>get those programs. But then there are also subsidies that

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<v Speaker 1>come down from the state that should go to these

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<v Speaker 1>small businesses so that you can stay afloat, so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can especially in times of like you've got COVID

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<v Speaker 1>and you have other things that happen that will help

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<v Speaker 1>you to be able to pay your bills. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>is that m w b S black folks try to

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<v Speaker 1>apply for you know how difficult it is for us

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<v Speaker 1>with application processes. But what they say is women owned businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>So guess what happens. White women go get the licenses

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<v Speaker 1>and the certification and then they become the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>the businesses that their white husbands are running. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>every area there is at the system, use the system

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<v Speaker 1>as it currently stands. But then the second thing is

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<v Speaker 1>it's corporate greed, right, because a part of being able

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<v Speaker 1>to level out things in our society is that corporations

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<v Speaker 1>are taking so much. They have employees that are not

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<v Speaker 1>being paid properly. Uh, they are not giving the appropriate benefits,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not paying their do share of taxes and

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<v Speaker 1>other things to our society. And so therefore we're living

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<v Speaker 1>in an unbalanced network if you will, or reality, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of our biggest challenges. So everything that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, yeah, that's like vision for the future. That's

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<v Speaker 1>hoping one they will find a president. One day, there

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<v Speaker 1>will be a president that will come forward that will

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<v Speaker 1>have Donald Trump's balls. But excuse me, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm supposed to say that, Hey, I said it,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't try. Um testicular fortitude, but testicular fortitude, but

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<v Speaker 1>but but but um the moral standing of someone who

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<v Speaker 1>actually wants to do right by society where they will say,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if I don't get elected for another

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<v Speaker 1>four years, but this is the ship that I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>put in place, and I'm going to hold to my

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<v Speaker 1>word regardless of whether people like me or not. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when that's ever gonna happen because everybody is

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<v Speaker 1>out here so much for elections, but I would hope that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's gonna I don't see that really happening. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see. But just understanding the justice system, in the

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<v Speaker 1>legal system and all of this system and government, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I just understand that it's it's it's all a game.

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<v Speaker 1>So the game. So we just got to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how we could play the best we can and how

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<v Speaker 1>do we exist within it and build structures, small structures

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<v Speaker 1>that we can build infrastructures within this that eventually take

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<v Speaker 1>over that I guess when you really think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>is certain businesses essential businesses. That definitely And to my point,

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<v Speaker 1>if those people have to go to work for forty

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<v Speaker 1>hours a week, they damn sure should be being paid

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<v Speaker 1>essential wage right um. But at the same time, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like people who work from home, or or excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>people who have jobs that are able to be conducted

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<v Speaker 1>from home, they should be able to be on a

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<v Speaker 1>schedule that provides opportunity for them to be with their kids,

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<v Speaker 1>for them to uh, you know, go to a class,

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<v Speaker 1>take care of themselves, and still be able to work.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, yes, I think we all should absolutely be

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<v Speaker 1>outside around other individuals, talking, networking and connecting with people,

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<v Speaker 1>because there is there is is one ent a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with folks sitting at home and really starting to suffer

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<v Speaker 1>from mental health issues, you know, as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>them not being around other people. So I agree with

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<v Speaker 1>you about that. Speaking of people being at home, can

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about what's happening with public safety and schools.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've been getting calls every day from interview

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<v Speaker 1>It's unbelievable. Like you know, first of all, there's always

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<v Speaker 1>somebody getting shot man or repeat to the four kids

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<v Speaker 1>that just got killed in ten people got shot. Another

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<v Speaker 1>vigilante is like, how does how does that continue? That?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Like, I really just I'm not saying vigilante.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say school shooting, not vigilante because it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't virginated. But how does it constantly? Are these kids

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<v Speaker 1>able to walk into schools with guns and kill people?

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<v Speaker 1>It's just to me, it just makes no sense. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ray Ray is walking into school with a gun too,

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not saying he's not. But and I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>how is he doing it right? How is it? You

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<v Speaker 1>want more metal detectives, what you want? What I want

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<v Speaker 1>is more not metal detectives. I want more school probing.

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<v Speaker 1>I want more school being attentive to the children. And

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe I don't know if it's metal detectives per se,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that there has to be something set

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<v Speaker 1>up to what kids aren't able to walk into school

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<v Speaker 1>with guys, you know, like the only thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>means law enforcement. So we have to And I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>we're having this conversation because we really do need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk through what is the next level? Right We there

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<v Speaker 1>is law enforcement is what people can people immediately go towards. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we could say, well, we need to put more anti

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<v Speaker 1>violence experts in the school, right, brothers like Shan Duke

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<v Speaker 1>mcvadda and others who A C. Mitchell and and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I could get in trouble because the list is so

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<v Speaker 1>long of those people who do that work. And we

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<v Speaker 1>can say let's put them in the school. But then

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<v Speaker 1>if something happens and they are not accredited or have

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<v Speaker 1>some type of specific certificate from the state or the city,

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<v Speaker 1>they put themselves in danger that if something happens is

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<v Speaker 1>blamed or placed at the feet of the anti violence expert.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you have law enforcements in the in the school,

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<v Speaker 1>and clearly with metal detectives and everything else, that's not working.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I think I think there has

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<v Speaker 1>to be assistance. I just think that at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that definitely needs to be different gun lawers. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there should be some systems set up. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's medal detectives per se, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think schools should have some type of structure which when

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<v Speaker 1>you're just not allowed in school with guns, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>just think there should be similar And I don't not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed in school with guns now, but they're constantly getting

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<v Speaker 1>in there with and killing people. So there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be something, you know, I don't I'm all against over policing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think in these kids, our kids should

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<v Speaker 1>be able to go to school and be safe, like

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<v Speaker 1>kids should not have to you know, like you said

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<v Speaker 1>that the bullying and the way the kids are being

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<v Speaker 1>the lack of real protection in school for kids is detrimental,

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<v Speaker 1>like you you're, we're I've literally watched, you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>even think about when I was in school. They were

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<v Speaker 1>kids able to come to school from different schools and

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<v Speaker 1>just walk in and jump people. And you know, back

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<v Speaker 1>in the days, we had um um gangs called the

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<v Speaker 1>Deceptive Cons who used to literally get on trains and

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<v Speaker 1>come to school, jump people, slashed them, robbed them, like

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<v Speaker 1>do all these things. And that was happening back in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties, you know, in in the late eighties, So

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<v Speaker 1>that was happening in our high school. They was able

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<v Speaker 1>to get into school and roll people, you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>gun point, at night point. So I think there has

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<v Speaker 1>to be a more robust strategy to protect kids, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you start getting high school. Like bullying in high

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<v Speaker 1>school and not as much as junior, but high school

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<v Speaker 1>is a big thing. You know, there's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>real big thing. And I have friends, we both have

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<v Speaker 1>friends who are reaching out saying that they're having issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my son was going to school in in

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<v Speaker 1>um Washington Heights and he's like kids were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>jump them. Like I literally had to go to school.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kids. It was all out bras. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>we used to have bras and people brought guns to school.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, there has to be a strategy to which,

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<v Speaker 1>oh you have people, like you said, violence interruptors who

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<v Speaker 1>are in those streets and you know, in those communities,

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<v Speaker 1>in those schools who probably kids who graduated from school

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<v Speaker 1>and still have some notoriety in the schools. They just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go to college or whatever, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have a job and they're like monitors kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>we remember we had whole monitors back in the days,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we should have advanced monitor whole monitors who who

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<v Speaker 1>go to the schools, who in the school yards, who

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<v Speaker 1>had lunch rooms, hearing such such because it's always a

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<v Speaker 1>gossip on such such as defense, they're gonna they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>fight after school and we're gonna jump them, like and

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<v Speaker 1>they are able to get in front of those things

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a serious thing, Like it's not like little

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<v Speaker 1>kids fighting in the school. At that point, it turns

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<v Speaker 1>to with guns and knives and people are losing their

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<v Speaker 1>lives in schools. Yeah no, I mean, listen, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a debate out of me. Something has to

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<v Speaker 1>be done. I know, and and and and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it starts with the top because the administration in many

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<v Speaker 1>of these schools is not doing enough, either because they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to touch it or they don't want their

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<v Speaker 1>school ranked as being violent, um you know on there

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<v Speaker 1>in the stats. Also because privacy and protection becomes a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you have ignorant parents like the parents of

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<v Speaker 1>the young man who just killed those folks in whatever

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<v Speaker 1>state that was in the white parents that told his

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know that, told him don't get caught next time.

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<v Speaker 1>In the text messages. You either have ignorant parents like

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<v Speaker 1>that like Kyle Rittenhouse's mother who's an evil criminal that

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<v Speaker 1>took her son somewhere with guns that she knew he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't supposed to have, or you have ignorant parents like

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<v Speaker 1>Titia or you know Lisa in our community, who is

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<v Speaker 1>talking about leave my son alone, don't say shipped to

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<v Speaker 1>my son, you know, or my daughter whatever outcome of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>do x y Z. And that's right, it's on. So

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<v Speaker 1>like you, on all sides, you've got parents that become

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<v Speaker 1>big part of the problem, a big part. And we

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<v Speaker 1>don't like to talk about that. We love to sit

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<v Speaker 1>by and watch a racist white person do something crazy

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<v Speaker 1>and then we talked about them. We love to sit

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<v Speaker 1>by and watch you know, uh, somebody who is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a serial killer that we can identify all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that happened, and how to parents with no good and

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<v Speaker 1>this and that the third. But we don't like to

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<v Speaker 1>also sit down and talk to regular folks that look

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<v Speaker 1>like me and you in our communities and say this,

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<v Speaker 1>cut it out. We need to be involved too. You do,

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<v Speaker 1>you definitely do so. I don't you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you stop a person from bringing

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<v Speaker 1>guns and me, we just saw that a kid in

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<v Speaker 1>New York a couple of weeks ago had a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>He got caught with a gun and thirty thou dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and then once they did more investigation. There were more

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<v Speaker 1>guns in the school. Whether or not they were connected

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<v Speaker 1>to him. I didn't follow the story enough to find out,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that there were guns in that school.

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<v Speaker 1>So we know that this is a problem that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And to your point, it's got to be dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>because people. History has shown when we don't address it

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<v Speaker 1>as an institution, the school, the parents, people die, people

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<v Speaker 1>commit suicide, people drop out of school. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>know why your kid isn't paying attention, Probably because they're depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>They might be being bullied, they may just be tied

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<v Speaker 1>in the bullshit. Can't even focus in class. I know

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in school sometimes I could not focus

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<v Speaker 1>in class for all the outbursts and the yelling and

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<v Speaker 1>screaming that went on. We're all types of kids. So

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<v Speaker 1>you can't say, well, let's go to the white schools

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<v Speaker 1>because you've got kids that's showing up. They have piste

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<v Speaker 1>off about whatever their problems are, out of their parents basement,

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<v Speaker 1>shooting up the building. You can't say, okay, well let's

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<v Speaker 1>go to the school with the Latino kids because guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>they slice your face. You can't say let's go to

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<v Speaker 1>the school with the black kids, because there's game wars everywhere.

0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Are people turned everywhere, We turned their problems and discrimination

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<v Speaker 1>and ways that you could try to escape the system,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't. You cannot can't. System. This system is

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<v Speaker 1>is well, is well designed for failure and when you

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<v Speaker 1>get out. That's why I celebrate anybody that gets out

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<v Speaker 1>of the system. And because it's set up, like I

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<v Speaker 1>tell people all the time, when I look at the

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<v Speaker 1>school system and the structure and being incarcerated, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the same thing. It pretty much mirrors the average school,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much mirrors the way that the prison is designed.

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<v Speaker 1>In the coloring, the way it looks all of these

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<v Speaker 1>mess hall looks like the lunch room. The gym looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the same gym. Like. The only thing that's not

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<v Speaker 1>in the classrooms is there. The only thing that the

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<v Speaker 1>classrooms imitate the sales, because the way it's lined up

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<v Speaker 1>door to door. The only thing that the schools don't

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<v Speaker 1>have it sells. So you know, when you think about it, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, we we thing you want more

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<v Speaker 1>metal sectors or some kind of way, I do, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's the way that they protect you into jails, right

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<v Speaker 1>because you gotta walk through metal detectives. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times they catch you when you got a knife.

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<v Speaker 1>That person they're gonna bring a knife to certain places,

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<v Speaker 1>or they figured out how to do it because they

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<v Speaker 1>know that metal tech, they're gonna go off. Right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more safer, and unfortunately we we I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's metal text is the answer, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know there has to be something that makes

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<v Speaker 1>it impossible, you know, or highly unlikely or hard as

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<v Speaker 1>hell for you to get in school with a gun

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<v Speaker 1>and kill somebody. Well, I'm sure there are some people

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<v Speaker 1>and at anti violence space that would say no more.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not about police surveillance, not about metal detectives.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's what they would say. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, we don't know, but we're gonna find out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking about this, right and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on social media on certain platforms um for different reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook specifically, I go there because my family members and

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<v Speaker 1>friends are there, and when I post to Instagram, which

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<v Speaker 1>is where I am most of the time, it shares

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<v Speaker 1>over the Facebook, and I often forget the days to

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<v Speaker 1>go on there and check out the comments. But my

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<v Speaker 1>cousin's my parents. Shout out to my father who just

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<v Speaker 1>turned seven, me five years old two days ago. Man

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<v Speaker 1>at seventy five years a good man too. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot that a lot of brothers can learn from, stand Mallory.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, but he would say it took him seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five years to learn it. Also, um but I go there,

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I try to keep up with Facebook, and

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<v Speaker 1>so there is this. It happens on Instagram too, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's very different. But on Facebook, there's a group of

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<v Speaker 1>maybe four people that come to my page every single

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<v Speaker 1>time I post something and say this is not important.

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<v Speaker 1>You should be talking about this. This how you know

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<v Speaker 1>this don't make sense? Um or or you're wrong on

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<v Speaker 1>this issue. You need to be stick with. One of

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<v Speaker 1>their main things is cash reparations, cash reparations. Who says

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<v Speaker 1>I don't support cash reporace? And then you know what

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<v Speaker 1>they do is they take clips of things you said

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<v Speaker 1>and they try to make a narrative like, oh, Tamika

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<v Speaker 1>Mallory doesn't support cash reparations. Actually, what I said was

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't believe that reparations is just cash. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say don't give cash I said, it's more than cash.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also land, it's also housing, it's opportunities, it's equity,

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<v Speaker 1>it's being able to go. Not just yes, the cash

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<v Speaker 1>is ultimate in terms of going into the bank, but

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, you've got to be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>approved for a loan right when you go into the bank.

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<v Speaker 1>Right that education that reparations for us needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>a system overhaul. And of course yes, cash is a

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<v Speaker 1>part of it, and no one is taken that away.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a little clip that you know where

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<v Speaker 1>of course I was saying, I don't believe that reparations

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<v Speaker 1>is just put in cash in our hands. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>all these other things. And now that's the narrative that

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Jamika Mallory doesn't support cash reparations. I don't care not

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<v Speaker 1>going to even argue that point, because I know what

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<v Speaker 1>I do, what I not only what I believe in,

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<v Speaker 1>but also what I have been supporting for years as

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<v Speaker 1>I work alongside people like Reverend Mark Thompson and Ron

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<v Speaker 1>Daniels and others who do work every day on reparations.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's put that um to the side. But they

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<v Speaker 1>come there and they are constantly saying I post a

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<v Speaker 1>picture about Cardi b oh this, there's better things to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about. What I my thought of the day today

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<v Speaker 1>is says who about what somebody should want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about on there personal page. I have never been to

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>anybody's page except yours. But other than you, I'm never

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.440
<v Speaker 1>going to anyone's page and said you shouldn't talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>They might be in the beauty business. So it's like

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<v Speaker 1>Yandy has Yells skincare, and I love the fact that,

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, she does all her videos about Yell. She's

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<v Speaker 1>so much into her, uh you know, the beauty industry,

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<v Speaker 1>learning more about it, promoting her brand. But sometimes she

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<v Speaker 1>might want to talk about I don't know, bubble cootes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's her prerogative and her page, her page prerogative. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just why why do people think they get to policia

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<v Speaker 1>page to tell you what you should be interested in?

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<v Speaker 1>Like who who? Your people are really crazy? But if

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>it's more important things to talk about, you should talk

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>about this. That's what I'm talking I'm talking about what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about on my page. You don't

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 1>get the dictate like this is what I think that

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<v Speaker 1>on with people? Right? And I say all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>we are not This is not your grandmother's civil rights right.

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<v Speaker 1>We we we have there's a movement. We have evolved

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<v Speaker 1>into a different space. This is hip hop culture. This

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.479
<v Speaker 1>is you know, our lives. This is what we've learned

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and how we've we've taken on civil rights and activism

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<v Speaker 1>and organizing as us. We didn't just follow a script

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<v Speaker 1>and look like the last freedom fighters. And we didn't.

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>We didn't do that right. We said to ourselves we

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<v Speaker 1>love the culture, we love hip hop, we love doing

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<v Speaker 1>all of these things, but we also want to fight

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<v Speaker 1>for our people. We don't believe that people should be done.

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<v Speaker 1>We we believe in equity and equality. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that we're utilizing our platforms and our voices

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure our people are safe. But we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some other ships. Sometimes we're gonna. We We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna because that's who we are. We are not one

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<v Speaker 1>dimensional individuals. We are not who you want us to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you if if that's what you're looking for,

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you gotta go find that. You can't come on my

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<v Speaker 1>page and tell me what how activism are You're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be my activist. You shouldn't be told about you

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>don't get to tell me that. Bro. If I'm an activist,

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>right and activity means if you disrespect me, I'm gonna say, yeah,

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>you can't disrespect me. If I think you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>harm me, I might beat you up. I'm not gonna

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:28.880
<v Speaker 1>shoot you, ain't gonna stab you, but we might get

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 1>into your fist fight. Because that's my activism. That's how

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>activism looks for me. It looks that way Malcolme was

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<v Speaker 1>by the window. What is things saying? Look about any

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 1>means necessary? Activism looks different to different people. So I

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>don't want you to hold me to a level of

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 1>activism to where you might have seen Mom Luther King.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>I love Moms the King, I love the speeches. I

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>love a lot of things about them. But I'm practicing

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>non violence like I'm I'm still struggling for me. I'm

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>anti violence means I'm against non violence means you would

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 1>never engage. I'm gonna get violence. But the minute that

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you try to harm me or you do something that's

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<v Speaker 1>detrimental to me and my family, I'm going to protect myself.

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna speak up against things that I don't like.

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I come from hip hop. So when

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>something bothers me a hip hop I'm gonna say something

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>about it. Oh, you shouldn't be worried about that, ain't

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Bro? I'm worried about it. Who can wrap

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>over here? And I'm also worried about getting off for

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the neck. I can worry about all those things. You

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.360
<v Speaker 1>don't get to tell me that I don't have opinion

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>because that's what you think. Activism looks like. That's what

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you think civil rights leaderships looks like. I'm sorry, that's

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>not who I am. And I'm throwing a two piece man,

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and I tell people all that while you're a little yeah,

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna throw a two pieces touch. But overall I

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>agree with you a thousand percent that folks should find

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.479
<v Speaker 1>the folks that are doing what you want to do,

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>or you should do it right. Everybody is not going

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to do things the same way. We all have what

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>we are very interested in. So so another person jumped

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>in the consisences, well why are you mad at this person, which,

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>by the way, is a troll, and it's well, the

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>person says, I'm not a troll. I am. I'm just

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>being consistent. You're a troll. When I go to your

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:19.719
<v Speaker 1>page and you have either no pictures or a faith profile.

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>You are a troll, right, You're a troll when you

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>come when you've been coming to my page for several months,

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and I disrespectfully tell you to get the hell off

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>my page and that I don't care about anything you

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>have to say, whatever the issue is, whatever it is

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>that you're trying to tell me, I'm not listening to it. Period.

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>If I'm gonna get to this point, if I'm gonna

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>get to that point, it's gonna be because somebody else

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>who also may not agree with me, but has a

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>level of respect, And I can tell where that person

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>is coming from that they're not They're trying to make

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>me out. First of all, once you share a little

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>clip of me that only speaks to part of what

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, try to build a narrative around in your

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>troll and I don't funk with you. That's it. So

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>you you you you off the list. But if you

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>come to me, just like I've had people I think

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>about my brother Tony Lindsay, who he and I often

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 1>don't agree, or we ultimately agree about black folks safety

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.719
<v Speaker 1>and freedom, but we often don't agree with certain candidates

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>or certain things. But when he comes to me, if

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>he sees one of those little clips, says, well, you

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>know what was this or whatever, he doesn't send their

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>message to Amica, Tamka, you know what you meant by this? Yeah,

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the problem with you, Like, who are you

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>talking to I'm not your kid, I'm not your kid.

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>You don't you don't you don't support my organization, you

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>don't support me, and you come in and talk to me,

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>and you could come and say, hey, can you please

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 1>help me understand what this meant in this clip because

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily get it. And here's what we're fighting for,

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>says and I'm trying to see whether or not there

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>could be some alignment. You speak to me like that

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>all day. I have something to say. But when you

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>come to my page and you start sharing it and

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>putting up things and Tamika is not for this, and

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>you ain't this you're trying to create a navirative I

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>see what you're trying to do. Just keep it moving.

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not for you. I am not for you. And

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>that's okay because they are artists out here that sing

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>R and B that I don't like it the way

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 1>they sing it, so they're not for me. There are

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>people out here that are elected officials that folks come

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>to me and say, she's black, you should support her.

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>But I look at things that she does and I

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>don't support it, and I'm not gonna work with that individual.

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 1>There are other organizations that I don't like how they move.

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>They might be the ones that go out in the

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>in the streets and when they protest and they're saying,

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>fuck the police, suck the police, I'm gonna shoot you.

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, we we killed police. That is not the

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>way that I choose to protests. And therefore you probably

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>won't see me doing much collaboration with those groups, right

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>especially because when the ship goes down, right when it's

0:31:55.880 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>all said and done and the and they just had

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to come down on us, guess who oftentimes gets the

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>ship that goes with the fun The police speech me.

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>They don't put you on Fox News every night and

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>tell white crazy people that ultimately become my harassers, and

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 1>people who are sending me death threats. They don't put

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you on there, they don't care, they don't use your name.

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>It's me that they plaster on freaking Fox News at

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Night saying that I'm a terrorist, or that I'm related,

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I have relationships with other terrorists, and that I support terrorism.

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>It's me, So I have to be careful about what

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I do and don't do. We're not on the same level.

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>We're just not We're just not and and and guess what,

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I am also not on the same level as other

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>people who are in this work that I realized have

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 1>higher stakes than me. So there's certain things that I

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>can do that other individuals can't because if they do it,

0:32:55.440 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>they will actually be arrested, actually be arrested. So you

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>know when I so, another person jumped in the comments

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and said, oh, well, you know, we should be collaborating,

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>We should really be working together instead of us being

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>against one another. And that person's page looked like a

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>troll also, But I took the time to explain that

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>everybody is not does not want your opinion. Just because

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>somebody is a black leader or whatever does not mean

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:31.479
<v Speaker 1>that they feel safe in certain environments with certain individuals.

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Right they can feel like working with you is going

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to bring out the worst to me, or I already

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>see that I don't like the way you move, and

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to work with you, that's okay, But you, sir,

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>who seems to be defending this other individual, you should

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>go work with them and wait for you to do

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it to make because they work for you obviously. The

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>way that they work and the way that they move

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>into things they say, they coincide with your moral compass

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>and where you want to see things go. So you

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>should align with them. And I'll continue to align with

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>the people that work best for me. It's simple. And

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>and then I guess the response to that is, well,

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>how can we ever get to where it is we're

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>going if we can't sit down where people don't we

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>don't agree with. And I'm gonna say it again, there

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 1>are many people I think, I mean people in my family,

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 1>people that I work with. I don't half way agree

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>with you eighty percent at the time. You and not

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:33.240
<v Speaker 1>get into disagreements. I don't agree with Angelo about half,

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, some of the things that he says. People

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.879
<v Speaker 1>don't agree with me. There are other individuals that are

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 1>out here that contact me all the time. They don't

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.879
<v Speaker 1>support something I said, They don't like the way that

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>we're organizing. They feel like we should be doing better.

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>This that different or whatever. But because they approach me

0:34:56.200 --> 0:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>with a certain level of respect where it's not trolling,

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 1>where it is not harassment, because once I tell you

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>too three times, I don't give a ship what you

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>have to say. Leave me alone. If you keep talking

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 1>to me and keep coming back to my page, that

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>becomes harassment, right, because once it's rooted in disrespect, it

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>is all and you can if you're comment on anything

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 1>is rooted in disrespect, it's a non starter for right.

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>You could go to until Freedom's page and talk all

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>day long, but my page, you don't get to come

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>there and keep on trying to tell me that I

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>have to speak to issues the way that you say,

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I probably will never do it, so that means that

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I may not be the leader for you. Now there

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 1>are other people who who who come to me and

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 1>they say, you know, I think you should change the

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 1>way you know, you speak to certain issues or whatever.

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>And I think about it, and I say, mmmm, that's important.

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.439
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I could do this different. Maybe I can move

0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 1>differently in these areas or speak in the different way

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>that comes from the way you approach people. And no,

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you can't then turn around and go, oh, you know, oh, well, well,

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 1>let me let's start all over, not after for months

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and months have been disrespecting me. Go into your own page, right,

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and all of these things about me, that's not true,

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>that's not so. That's what I have to say in

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 1>my thought of the day. Leave people alone that don't

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 1>want to deal with you, and all you you, you

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.840
<v Speaker 1>work as hard as I have worked to become the

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>leader that you want to see in the world. That

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>is so simple. Man is everything and for everybody. I

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>am a quiet taste. I am not for everyone, and

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I acknowledge that. And I appreciate those people who stay

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>in their lane and stay away from me because we

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.399
<v Speaker 1>don't have the same views or even have the same

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>more And I'm okay with that. I don't wish you

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>no harm. I wish you the best because if you

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>ultimately want was best for black people, then we ultimately

0:36:57.840 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>want the same thing. So if you get there first,

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:02.760
<v Speaker 1>then I'm I'm gonna comploud you, and I'm gonna follow

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.879
<v Speaker 1>you if you if you figure out a strategy that's

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna get us there better than the strategy I figured

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 1>out to get us there, then I might follow for that.

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>But until then I'm gonna follow the strategy that I

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>knew this works best for me and aligns what it

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>is that I want to see. That there it is

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>enough said what I'm saying. That's how. That's so we're

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>being joined by a true powerhouse today. And you know,

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>often we have two guests that come on, and you know,

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>we talked to one individual who's really an expert and

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>another who's a change maker doing incredible work in our community.

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 1>And today we have one individual who embodies both things.

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Jason Flores Williams is an author, a political activist, and

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>a civil rights attorney. He's best known for his legal

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>work on behalf of death row clients, political protesters, the

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 1>home list population of Denver, and his lawsuit to have

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Colorado the Colorado River recognized as a legal person, which

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>is something that we're gonna learn more about today because

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that a river could be a legal person.

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure Jason is gonna explain it. Um Attorney

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Williams is an acknowledged expert in conspiracy law and First

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Amendment cases whose views are frequently sought out by media

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>organizations like The Washington Post, of New York Times, the

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles Times, and of course street politicians, and we're

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>so happy to have you today, Attorney Williams. But I

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>think it's okay for us to call you Jason. You

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 1>got that right. I prefer thank you. It's a privilege

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to be on your show. Thank you so much for

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 1>coming on and speaking with us. So you specifically focus

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>on something that is really important to us, which is

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:59.919
<v Speaker 1>um the the sentencing disparities for marijuana convictions. You gotta

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>number of clients that you're dealing with, high profile individuals.

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Some Rock Nation, jay Z and others have been involved

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>with trying to help get these individuals free. Tell us

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 1>about that work. Oh that Look, what I can tell

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you is is the reason I got into this law,

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and it was kind of born into it in a way.

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 1>It was when I was twelve years old. My thought

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 1>my family was ripped apart by the drug war. My

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 1>father got sentenced to thirty five years in prison, and

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 1>so I spent you know, my youth going to visit

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 1>my old man and the joint. And then now you know,

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I said, look, I can't let what happened to my

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 1>family happened to other people. So it's personal and when

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 1>it comes down to the sentencing disparities. So imagine that

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I represent will not imagine I do represent people from

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 1>across the board racially, socio economically. And what I see

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:55.320
<v Speaker 1>consistently is that what you are going to be offered

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>in court with regard to marijuana prosecutions or drug war

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 1>prosecut ustians in general is going to be dependent upon

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.319
<v Speaker 1>who you are, meaning what race are you, where you come.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, at a certain point, money in the criminal

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>justice system overcomes everything, but for the average person. So

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 1>you take the average black man and you take the

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:19.040
<v Speaker 1>average white I can tell you in general that the

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 1>average black man is going to be offered generally more

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>time then the average white man. And I see it

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>consistently if their last twenty years, you're gonna and expanding

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 1>out in a way from just the drug war? Is

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 1>that and I think you know that you'll know this.

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>The statistics bear this out, is that they're going to

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 1>seek the death penalty, where they still seek the death

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.359
<v Speaker 1>penalty for people of color much more frequently than they

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>will for white people. So you know, like they said,

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>there there ain't no money on death row, and in

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, there's not that much money in

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the joint so yeah, this is what I see. But

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>this all goes back to really, what is this thing

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>we call the drug war? What is this thing we

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>call the criminal justice system? And the criminal justice system,

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 1>of course, is mostly made up of drug crimes. That's

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 1>what people in federal prisons and state prisons are doing.

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>That's why they're there, drug crimes. And what this is

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:14.720
<v Speaker 1>that what the way I see it is they've always

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 1>tried to kill two birds with one stone on the steel.

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>The drug wars started off as an assault against Chicanos

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and Latinos. You know, they didn't like the fact that

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Mexicans were coming into Texas and California, and so they

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:29.840
<v Speaker 1>penned you know, uh, they penned I should say, cannabis

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 1>or molta pot on the Mexicans and try to make

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 1>it into a dirty thing. At the same time, you

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 1>have weed coming up in the jazz culture and what

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 1>happened is there, So you've got kind of two birds there,

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 1>so you can take out people of color by associating

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>them with a non white drug. At the time, although

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting, there's evidence of the Founding Fathers U spot

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>if you want to call them the Founding Fathers but

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that's that was one. And then two, when we got

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>into the Nixon era, you had the rise of the counterculture,

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and so by being able to criminalize people people of

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 1>color and the counterculture. And really, if you look at

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 1>American history, anytime you get this u uh, even a

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 1>potential width of a union between the lower classes or

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>even middle educated classes people of color, the main power

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 1>structure United States always has to do something to break

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that up because that's its worst fear. So so in

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 1>that case of marijuana Nixon, the drug war, I mean,

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it was just you know, the thing of beauty. They

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:37.280
<v Speaker 1>just went around, they destroyed families like mine. They they incarcerated,

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, just massive amounts of people of color, indiscriminately

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>and disproportionately. And that also at the same time you've

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>got people who think differently in the free thinkers regardless

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 1>of race or color, who end up, you know, doing

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty years for joint And so, you know, power structure

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>did what it needed to do, and in a lot

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>of ways still doing it because now if you look

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.800
<v Speaker 1>at who's making the money, and you've got Al Harrington,

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you know who he is, You do know he was

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>a basketball player. Now he's out there. He's out there.

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 1>He's a brilliant guy. He's uh, what he's what he's

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>investing in is using the emerging green industry, the green

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>rush has a way to empower people of color. He says,

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>he wants to make a hundred black millionaires in the

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 1>new cannabis injuries industry. But despite that, despite that, right now,

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 1>as it stands, it's the same old assholes making all

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the money. And what really makes me want to, I

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.399
<v Speaker 1>don't know, break something or just keep fighting, is that

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times with cannabis right now, people making

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the money with people who are putting people away for

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.479
<v Speaker 1>it just ten years ago, which absolutely makes me sick.

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>So hey, you know, I got people right now in

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>jail super max. Is um looking at life in prison

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 1>for I got people, you know, And this is not

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:03.479
<v Speaker 1>even to get into and I know I've been talking

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.479
<v Speaker 1>for a while, This is not even to get into

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 1>the kind of constitutional violations that the drug war and

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 1>cannabis have enable law enforcement to and act and violate

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.919
<v Speaker 1>upon poor people, people of color, everyone else. So hey,

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's it's kind of the American way

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 1>that we're dealing with here. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's something

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>that I've been talking about a lot. I have a

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of you know, being formally acconcerated and just coming

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:33.040
<v Speaker 1>from the hood quote unquote and knowing a lot of

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>different individuals who that was their source of just survival,

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, selling pot and other things, and a lot

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:42.800
<v Speaker 1>of them did a lot of time or served a

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of time. And now you know that is being

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 1>able to be profited off of is becoming some legalized

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.720
<v Speaker 1>These same individuals who did ten five and six seven

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 1>years you would have the opportunity to be able to

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>engage in that field, right because you took their freedom

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 1>away from now all of a sudden, is legal. You've

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 1>criminalized these people for something that's legal now and now

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 1>they don't have any recourse, they don't have any opportunities

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.239
<v Speaker 1>to make money. So you know, like you said, it's

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 1>the same old people, and like, so what is the process?

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 1>What should we be doing? You know, is there any

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.479
<v Speaker 1>I heard that they were supposed to be some type

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of state grants and things of that nature that would

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>give for people who were formally incarcerated for marijuana some

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.400
<v Speaker 1>type of opportunities, Like what does what does those things

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>look like? Well? I mean, I hope so, But I

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>mean when we're talking about state grants, I don't know

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 1>how state grants and that kind of money is going

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 1>to equalize the power differentials when it comes to this

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 1>already having money, right, I mean, well, we know here

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 1>is there's a difference between income and capital wealth. So

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 1>you make incomes, they make it like seventy g or

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 1>you feel like, you know, maybe you're doing all right,

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know you busted. You're asked to be able

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 1>to make seventy. You get up to, you know, a hundred,

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.240
<v Speaker 1>but you're still making that income. And income really doesn't

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>simply provide you with the kind of opportunities to garner

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 1>a place in an emerging industry. It's wealth. So like,

0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:16.400
<v Speaker 1>for example, right, so I made some money my firm,

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>we made some money off some uh you know, saying hey,

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>we'll help you. Try to get licenses in pot in

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>various states, I can tell you everyone who got a

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>license was already rich. It's because they had they could

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.800
<v Speaker 1>show the resources so that the state. First off, with

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>resources come connections, they know who you are, they're comfortable

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 1>with you. Then everybody was always rich. They could show

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that they could pull it off and could do everything

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 1>that they say they were doing so that they say

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>they were going to do even if they didn't as

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 1>far as their plans and applications for licenses. We're gonna

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.640
<v Speaker 1>have expensary, we're gonna have this that you know, cannabis,

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:53.439
<v Speaker 1>spa and bail whatever it's gonna be. And so it's

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 1>the ability to be its ability to be able to

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 1>show resources, not just income or the ability to the

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.800
<v Speaker 1>ability to show resources and not just you know, basically

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:06.240
<v Speaker 1>state grants. I'm not gonna calm alone, but some degree

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>of money that enables people access to the game. That's

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 1>what I worry That's what that's what I worry about.

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Right It's like we can say, hey, we're gonna do this,

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna do that, and we're gonna we're gonna try to,

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, slide a few bucks in a in a

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 1>couple of different ways. That's why I go back to

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Harrington because I think he has a good vision for it.

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 1>He's like saying, I'm not trying to get black people

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.239
<v Speaker 1>or people of color, are people who you know who

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 1>have suffered because of the drug war, just licenses. I'm

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to get them into that wealth zone with regard

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:39.240
<v Speaker 1>to this indugry, so we can carve out a place

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 1>in an industry that just a few years ago and

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 1>still is to a large degree absolutely resulted in the

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.479
<v Speaker 1>oppression and incarceration of poor people and people of coloring

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.480
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. So I don't know, man, I'm

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 1>down hey with you. Let's get let's get some state

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>grants going and all that kind of stuff. But I

0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know how that's gonna fix it this ferity, right,

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 1>So exactly how that fixes the disparity, because you know,

0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like the image that you see I've seen you

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.800
<v Speaker 1>know folks post it where it shows the difference between

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>equity and equality and how equality maybe the two of

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:18.480
<v Speaker 1>us making the same amount of money now, but regardless,

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 1>if you started with more than me, you'll will never

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 1>actually be equal, and equity would mean stopping to some degree. Um,

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess in this situation, uh, those people who have

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 1>extreme capital, which would most likely be white men, from

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:40.760
<v Speaker 1>being able to access all of the licenses and opening

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 1>all of their marijuana locations, we would put that on

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>hold while bringing up the amount of people who are

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:52.719
<v Speaker 1>either you know, come from marginalized communities, people who Um,

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:57.080
<v Speaker 1>are you know, formally incarcerated as has been said, and

0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 1>just people who don't otherwise have the opportunities. But I

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine, assist a place of time in American history

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.919
<v Speaker 1>where we would ever see, um, you know, white men

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:10.840
<v Speaker 1>not benefiting from the capital that they have. So I

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 1>do agree with you about that. So I know that

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:17.920
<v Speaker 1>you can't stay with us forever, although you're so packed

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 1>with information that we could sit here and talk to

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>you for a while. But you have a number of cases, um,

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:28.400
<v Speaker 1>that you're dealing with now that are actually very high

0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 1>profile cases, UM, that you're involved with. Do you want

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:36.359
<v Speaker 1>to talk about some of them? And um, and and

0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 1>and also is there a way that we as an

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>activist community can help to bring attention to what is

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 1>happening in this moment with some of the individuals that

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 1>you work with. I mean, that's a great question, and

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. Yeah, I've got, like like I said earlier,

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I've got guys who are right now see for weed,

0:49:55.800 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>sitting in supermatch jails awaiting trials right now. What you say,

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>we um, Jason, what does that mean? Does it mean

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:10.880
<v Speaker 1>they had truckloads of marijuana where they were making millions

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:14.480
<v Speaker 1>of dollars or were they was it small level cases

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 1>like when you say, what's the scale of weed that

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.680
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about? Well, usually these days, I'm gonna be

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 1>straight with you, although I just saw a case out

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 1>of Iowa or where a guy was going to prison

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.600
<v Speaker 1>for just possession. More normally these days where we're talking

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 1>about is distribution. All that means really is well, you've

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 1>got white capital, right, You've got the the usual suspects

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 1>in the suits with the m b a's who are

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>making millions of the off the exact same activity, except

0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:49.800
<v Speaker 1>so there you know, investments, hedge funds. Cannabis is a market,

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 1>that's all it is. I remember in federal court recently

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I was arguing about cannabis and I made something called

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 1>an equal protection argument, which is the fourteenth Amendment, and

0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 1>that says, hey, you gotta treat citizens the same deeper

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>protection are Equal protection actually came out of um UH

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 1>immediately after the Civil War, when it was obviously like, hey,

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.239
<v Speaker 1>we had a civil war, black people are free, were

0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.479
<v Speaker 1>great and everything, Well, obviously it was all bullshit because

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 1>we had Jim Crow come in. So they had to

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 1>do something called the Fourteenth Amendment to try to protect

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the rights of all people. So the fourteenth Amendment says, hey,

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 1>citizens are treated uniformly allegedly. So I was in court

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.239
<v Speaker 1>making a Fourteenth Amendment argument, saying, hey, you got this

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>guy being busted for weed, facing twenty years in prison,

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 1>is in federal port and meanwhile, you have other people

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:37.239
<v Speaker 1>who are right now, you know, driving and BMWs to

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 1>their dispensaries and selling licensing, and there's inter intellectual property

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:43.399
<v Speaker 1>rights and investment opportunities and all this kind of stuff,

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and the pot is anyway, I said, hey, you know,

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 1>let's just imagine that weed was widgets and these are

0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:55.240
<v Speaker 1>just widgets, like economically, and the prosecutor freaked out, Widge,

0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.279
<v Speaker 1>it's widgets. What the hell these aro? You know, I

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:00.120
<v Speaker 1>just started making this thing that I was just looking

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 1>at marijuana as just another commodity upon which millions and

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.720
<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars being made, which they are so turning

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>this back into what we're looking at, and the kind

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of the kind of things that I'm seeing these days.

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 1>All I'm seen is the same old disparities, right, the

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.360
<v Speaker 1>same old thing. The people that I have in jail

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:23.799
<v Speaker 1>who are high profile or not high profile, and then

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:27.799
<v Speaker 1>a day, you know, jail sales don't have names on them.

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, it don't matter if you're high profile, NATO profile,

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be in a jail cell. You're in a

0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>jail cell. And you know that, my friend, because you

0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:37.680
<v Speaker 1>just talked about being incarcerated. So that's right. So so

0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, you're in a supermax,

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.239
<v Speaker 1>you're a super max. You're in a freaking county jail.

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.920
<v Speaker 1>You're in a county jail. But isn't it interesting that

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>after the fourteenth Amendment and that and the movement after

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the Civil War is called reconstruction, is after the Orgin Amendment,

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and after everything else, and after the legalization, after proving

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.399
<v Speaker 1>that the drug war is essentially been bs from day one,

0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:02.359
<v Speaker 1>which and racially motivated incentivized, what we see is the

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:06.840
<v Speaker 1>same old thing happening, the same old thing even better.

0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's even a better deal because they're still

0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:15.280
<v Speaker 1>using the drug ward to incarceraate people of color, free thinkers,

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.239
<v Speaker 1>killing all those birds with all them or maybe just

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 1>one stone all at the same time, the same people

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>are making all that money. And that's what really pisces

0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.839
<v Speaker 1>me off. So as far as bringing attention to it.

0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.279
<v Speaker 1>What I really want to bring attention to is the

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 1>way that federal prohibition of cannabis, inside the greater context

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of the drug war itself, is still being used to

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:43.839
<v Speaker 1>enforce the same power differentials in the United States. And

0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 1>if we can do something about that, Hey, you know

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 1>that's why what do you think we should start? How

0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:54.959
<v Speaker 1>do we start that? Like understanding the disparities, understand how

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the system is structured, and you know, they utilize us

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and criminalize for these same things and animating billions of dollars.

0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.080
<v Speaker 1>What would you say as a lawyer would be the

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.239
<v Speaker 1>first step of us doing something to make sure that

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:12.319
<v Speaker 1>citizens that will return to citizens who who were who

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, victims of being inconcerated it this and just

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:20.239
<v Speaker 1>average people in the communities have opportunities to be able

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:23.439
<v Speaker 1>to benefit from Okay, well to there there's there's really

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Let me let me start by saying one thing. You

0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 1>know who you know who Hughey Newton was right? Yes,

0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>of course, of course. So you have Hughank Newton, right,

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:37.120
<v Speaker 1>you Hurey Newton, uh, you know allegedly killed or you

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:39.200
<v Speaker 1>know you did kill shot a couple of cops in

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:42.320
<v Speaker 1>open now you would say a black man, especially Hughey

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Newton back in open and somebody's gonna know that I'm

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.560
<v Speaker 1>off on that day probably or maybe I'm not. Is uh,

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:52.439
<v Speaker 1>you know you're going down. You can't kill a cop.

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 1>You can't kill white cops and open but the black

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 1>panthers and all the supporting communities and everything else. They

0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:01.160
<v Speaker 1>went to the courthouse where he's being tried every day

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and so and ultimately, due to the fact that he

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 1>had a great lawyer named Charles gary Um, he was

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:11.960
<v Speaker 1>he was ultimately solely convicted of manslaughter and he walked

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 1>out of court. It's a greatly reduced charge in contrast

0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:17.319
<v Speaker 1>to a screen murder. And why is that? It's something

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:19.680
<v Speaker 1>change of the court? They said, no, No, there's a

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>saying that I have that derives out of that story.

0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:26.960
<v Speaker 1>And that's is this what happens outside the courthouse is

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:30.839
<v Speaker 1>more important than what happens inside the courthouse. It's the

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:32.720
<v Speaker 1>system is set up in a way so that everybody

0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 1>has plausible deniability. And you know, you you always make

0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:37.719
<v Speaker 1>a mistake, you know, referring to the Nazis. But what

0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the hell is that that is that? You know? I mean,

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:42.080
<v Speaker 1>but if you want to look at it, look at

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:44.400
<v Speaker 1>look at look at the incarceration and the deprivation of

0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 1>liberty and the damage that's been done to communities. You're

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 1>not that far off, all right, You're not that far

0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.840
<v Speaker 1>off and making this thing, uh in the in this comparison.

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.200
<v Speaker 1>But the bottom line is they made it in a way.

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:59.240
<v Speaker 1>They made a mechanical so that there was always plausible deniability, moral, ethical,

0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:01.319
<v Speaker 1>and legal. Say, hey, I'm just a small part of

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 1>this thing. Although I wish I could do something else,

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 1>there's you know, my hands are tied. So you get

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 1>into the justice system so called, and my hands are

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.279
<v Speaker 1>always tied. There's nothing I can do, and and so

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and so you just go through this and it's like

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:17.759
<v Speaker 1>you're just going through the procedures of it. So, going

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.880
<v Speaker 1>back to the hum p noteing reference, the most important

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.080
<v Speaker 1>saying I know and that I try to that I

0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:27.560
<v Speaker 1>do employ as a litigation strategy is what happens outside

0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the courthouse is more important than what happens inside the courthouse,

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 1>especially in criminal cases civil rights cases too, because when

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:40.240
<v Speaker 1>you shine a light on the courthouse, when you pressurize

0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that courthouse, and everybody in there knows that there is

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a light being shown on them, so they don't have

0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 1>that plausible deniability anymore. What happens in that courthouse is

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:53.759
<v Speaker 1>something that they will be personally and moral morally responsible for.

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.800
<v Speaker 1>And I'm talking about prosecutors, I'm talking about federal judges.

0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about stage is the whole deal. Things change

0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:02.800
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden. People become human beings again. They start

0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:06.200
<v Speaker 1>looking at the bigger picture again, They start thinking about

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>things other than just trying to get through the day

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:13.880
<v Speaker 1>without seeming to be damaging anyone and and trying to

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:15.800
<v Speaker 1>get through the day under the facade and the illusion

0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that they're good people just by being there. You gotta

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:21.440
<v Speaker 1>strip them of that facade and show that if you

0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:25.200
<v Speaker 1>do this, if you do X, that results and why

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and why is unethical and you're just part of a

0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:31.120
<v Speaker 1>machine that's been destroying people since day one. You have

0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 1>got to make them know that at all costs. And

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 1>if you can do that, and you can, if you

0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:39.200
<v Speaker 1>bust your ass and you get ferocious enough about it

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and pack those courthouses, things change. So that's one. That's one,

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and then too and you know, and this is kind

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:49.160
<v Speaker 1>of like a systemic solution, And so I really don't

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:51.600
<v Speaker 1>believe in systemic solutions that much. You gotta think outside

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:53.479
<v Speaker 1>the box, you know, you gotta say, we just gotta

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:55.760
<v Speaker 1>bring what we can bring to this thing. Is the

0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 1>systemic solution? Is that? Okay? Look, for example, you've got

0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.760
<v Speaker 1>why people vote for Bidenharrassed white people vote for you know,

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:04.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these, a lot of these uh you

0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>know democrats. Is that? Well, because one of the things

0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:09.920
<v Speaker 1>they did, and I noticed this, they said they were

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:13.920
<v Speaker 1>going to decriminalize canvas and then there or or legalize it,

0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and they said that they were going to do all

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:19.040
<v Speaker 1>sorts of things that we're going to end the systemic

0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:22.240
<v Speaker 1>injustice that's you know, as part of the drug war context. Well,

0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:24.919
<v Speaker 1>they don't now that we're here, we're a good year

0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:27.640
<v Speaker 1>in and it doesn't even look like anything's ever going

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to happen with regards to the legal or the end

0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 1>of federal prohibition. So they're supposed to be to the

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.640
<v Speaker 1>degree that we have any voice in this system as

0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:38.760
<v Speaker 1>close as we can get to it. So I guess

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 1>you can pressurize them, but then at the end of

0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the day that just may be saying, hey, write your

0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 1>senator later, you know, And I don't really believe in

0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:47.160
<v Speaker 1>writing senator's letters. I believe that you've got to shine

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a ferocious light on the system. What happens outside the

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>courthouse is more important than what happens inside, and you've

0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 1>got to hold people responsible, and there are ways to

0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:58.600
<v Speaker 1>do that that actually put some human life into an

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:02.960
<v Speaker 1>otherwise cold and dead I think it's a combination of

0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:06.320
<v Speaker 1>all the things that you said, while we don't um,

0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 1>while we are all very much so um unencouraged. I

0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 1>don't even know if that's the right word, by what

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:19.400
<v Speaker 1>is happening with this administration and with administrations of the past.

0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Those people who are sitting at home who say, all

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I know I can do is write a letter. You know,

0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm working two jobs today, I'm unable to show up

0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:31.440
<v Speaker 1>at the courthouse, but I'm going to write a letter

0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and maybe donate five dollars for the sandwiches for people

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:38.400
<v Speaker 1>who are outside the courthouse. Then you have people who say,

0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:42.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, well, you know, I'm I'm going to make

0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.760
<v Speaker 1>sure that in every election I've work for candidates that

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I try to get people voted in or out, because

0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:55.200
<v Speaker 1>oftentimes people think of voting as only one side, bringing

0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.600
<v Speaker 1>people into the system, which ultimately will happen, but it

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.800
<v Speaker 1>can also mean fine ring folks who are not doing

1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a good job. So you have those people who believe

1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that going to the polls is one of the ways

1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that we will um somehow accomplished freedom. And then the

1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:15.280
<v Speaker 1>last piece is there people like us that believe in

1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:18.160
<v Speaker 1>putting boots on the ground, and they're gonna be folks

1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:21.720
<v Speaker 1>who disagree or you know, well, protesting doesn't mean anything,

1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Voting doesn't mean anything. We have so many what doesn't

1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:30.320
<v Speaker 1>mean anything when we don't necessarily understand that all things

1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:33.400
<v Speaker 1>work together for the greater good. And so I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the things we take from this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>is that in this area, even if you don't smoke

1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:43.720
<v Speaker 1>marijuana or don't smoke weed, even if you don't have

1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:46.720
<v Speaker 1>a family member, a loved one who is locked up

1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:50.439
<v Speaker 1>right now because of marijuana, I think we all need

1:00:50.480 --> 1:00:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to understand the equity conversation and how being able to

1:00:55.120 --> 1:01:01.800
<v Speaker 1>access the cannabis industry could mean generational well for our communities.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's something that we should all be concerned about.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's my my take on it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if anybody else wants to respond to that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much the same man. I just want to I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to thank you for your your outlook and

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<v Speaker 1>work that you're doing. We need people who understand the

1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:20.640
<v Speaker 1>law and understand both sides to be able to articulate

1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:22.800
<v Speaker 1>it the way that you actually articulate. I try to

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<v Speaker 1>say it all the time, but I don't have the vernacular,

1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:27.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I don't know all the words in

1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the legal terms to put it this way. I just

1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:31.160
<v Speaker 1>call it bullshit, you know what I'm saying. I'm just

1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:34.960
<v Speaker 1>saying basically, I'll just be like, it's a bunch of

1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:36.720
<v Speaker 1>bullshit that we're dealing with. But the way that you

1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:40.160
<v Speaker 1>broke it down so eloquently is definitely needed. And I

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to doing like political work, UM organization until freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to work on these things. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>give these opportunities and for the people who have been

1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:53.040
<v Speaker 1>wronged in these areas and figure out how do we

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<v Speaker 1>connect our work to the legal work that you do.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to say thank you for that

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<v Speaker 1>before you go. Before you go, Attorney Williams, tell us

1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:07.280
<v Speaker 1>what it doesn't mean to fight to a lawsuit to

1:02:07.360 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 1>make the Colorado River a person we need to know that,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So look another saying, So you got you

1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:16.080
<v Speaker 1>got one saying, maybe take two sayings out of this

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<v Speaker 1>deal is one, what happens outside the court has more

1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:20.240
<v Speaker 1>important what happens inside the court us. And then secondly,

1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it's all the same fight. Okay, it's something I see

1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and what that fight is, it's it's a fight against

1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:30.720
<v Speaker 1>power differentials. Right, So one generational wealth versus a little

1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:34.520
<v Speaker 1>bit of income, um, the usual suspects versus people who

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<v Speaker 1>have been marginalized and having to deal with bullshit since

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<v Speaker 1>day one. Um, Now when we get to something, so

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<v Speaker 1>any time that you have massive power differentials where one

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<v Speaker 1>side has all the power and the other side doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have power, doesn't have rights really at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, doesn't have rights, then you are going to

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<v Speaker 1>have negative outcomes all the our Not much power equals

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<v Speaker 1>bad outcomes a k A injustice. And so if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the if you look at the environmental situation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>corporations have all the power of the world, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>literally and figuratively and literally more than figuratively, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they have all the power. And then you look at

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<v Speaker 1>what is it the corporations do now corporations exploit. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they have some good benefits, and I'm not an anti corporate,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of them exploit. They take advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>human beings. But what they really do exploit at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, is this world, this planet, which

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed which is supposed to be all of ours

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<v Speaker 1>living in a way in which we respect Earth and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully in some kind of sustainable way that that integrates

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves with. And when we do that, I tend to

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<v Speaker 1>think that we end up being a more just society

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<v Speaker 1>and better people. So you have a situation like this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have let's say you have a corporation in

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona that wants to it has all it has ten

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars, and it wants to open up a golf

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<v Speaker 1>course in the desert. We know, we know, you can

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<v Speaker 1>just look at me. You can just we can just

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<v Speaker 1>look at it and say that's bullshit. That doesn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. Colorado rivers dying. There's not enough of all

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<v Speaker 1>all the of all the things and all the places

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<v Speaker 1>where money should be going. Right now, the last damn

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<v Speaker 1>thing we need is another golf course in the desert.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they have the money, then they can buy

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<v Speaker 1>the property rights, obtain the legal interests necessary to do

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the hell they want to do. And that's because

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<v Speaker 1>something as vital as the Colorado River or something or

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<v Speaker 1>as vital as nature itself. In contrast, two corporations has

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<v Speaker 1>no rights whatsoever, and so that person her term. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>the legal system is basically the United States legal system

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially based on twelve thirteen century property rights, something

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<v Speaker 1>called the Magna Carta. And so we're just based in

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<v Speaker 1>property rights conceptions, and that's really and that that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>another conversation. But if you can get the property, the

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<v Speaker 1>you can do what you want to do. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it's a way of saying and so to return to

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<v Speaker 1>that is that our conception of things are our legal

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<v Speaker 1>conception of the earth on which we depend for our

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<v Speaker 1>existence is simply one that is property that if you

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<v Speaker 1>can buy it, you can do whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. So that so we're stuck with words like

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<v Speaker 1>personhood because if you're a person, allegedly you have some rights. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're a person, you have some rights. So

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<v Speaker 1>and saying that the Colorado River should be deemed a

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<v Speaker 1>legal person is really just a way of saying the

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<v Speaker 1>color you should not be able to do to the

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado River, or the oceans or lakes, or the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>this planet, whatever the hell you want to do, because

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<v Speaker 1>you have all the wealth and you can, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you are, they're being able to exploit it and use

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<v Speaker 1>it in any way you want, even though for those

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<v Speaker 1>for the greater picture, it's causing and continuing on further

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<v Speaker 1>injustice and exploitation. So it would say, it would say

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<v Speaker 1>that if you are doing something as in name and

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<v Speaker 1>useless and contrary to the interests of justice in the society,

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<v Speaker 1>as opening up a golf course in the desert, then

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<v Speaker 1>we should be able to stand up for the Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>River and say, the Colorado have some rights too. It's

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<v Speaker 1>already greatly diminished so that you cannot simply drain and

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<v Speaker 1>kill this natural entity upon which we all depend any further,

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<v Speaker 1>because this too has a degree of rights which we

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<v Speaker 1>simply call personhood. Because our law right now doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the actual language for how to treat nature and really

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<v Speaker 1>people with respect. That's I'm gonna refer to the Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>River as my homeboyfro Now, Yeah, I love, I love

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<v Speaker 1>that the Colorado River is my home my homeboy got

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<v Speaker 1>rights to man. Wow. Uh, you are like super duper

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<v Speaker 1>duper duper intellectual and intellig It's great. It makes me

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I need to go get twenty five books

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<v Speaker 1>right now and like read everything because what you know

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<v Speaker 1>and the breadth of the the wealth of knowledge that

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<v Speaker 1>you have is so important for our community. And I

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<v Speaker 1>can only imagine that your clients are grateful to have

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<v Speaker 1>you as an attorney because you're gonna go to court

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<v Speaker 1>and speak up and fight the system for them, where

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<v Speaker 1>we see so many attorneys that don't do that, either

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<v Speaker 1>because they're intimidated and or they just don't care and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore they don't go do the real work and put

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<v Speaker 1>themselves on the line. And I can imagine there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in the course that don't like

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<v Speaker 1>to see attorney Jason Williams coming. Yeah, yeah, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna speak up. But I want to thank you again,

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<v Speaker 1>As my son has said, we appreciate you and put

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<v Speaker 1>us to work. Let us know about things that's happening

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<v Speaker 1>where you feel like we can be of assistance, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be online and or in person. We do believe

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<v Speaker 1>in putting boots on the ground. We believe that what

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<v Speaker 1>happens outside the court makes what's inside the court shake

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<v Speaker 1>and so we want to continue to do that work

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<v Speaker 1>in collaboration with you and on behalf of your clients

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<v Speaker 1>and others that you work with. So thank you, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your time. Thank you. That's how we own it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how we own it. You're a big shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to Jason Williams Man. He is a wealth of knowledgement.

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<v Speaker 1>Just listening to him and just understanding his perspective, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like I said, it broke down a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that I'd be thinking and I'd just be saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's bullshit, but he broke it down into legal terms

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<v Speaker 1>and different things. Just one of the main things that

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<v Speaker 1>he said was what the most important things is what

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<v Speaker 1>happened outside the court. And that's been been what we've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing, you know, that's the work that we do.

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<v Speaker 1>It until freedom is the stuff that's outside of the court.

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<v Speaker 1>And people say, oh, you don't think marching, you protesting?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that do? It gives people like Jason the

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<v Speaker 1>energy right when he walks into a courtroom and we've

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<v Speaker 1>and we've been advocating for something and we've got the

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<v Speaker 1>world wrapped up on a specific particular subject or against

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<v Speaker 1>a different case, like when you look at among our

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<v Speaker 1>Breary's case, the the noise that the world makes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the anger and the frustration that the world makes has

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<v Speaker 1>an impact. It has an impact on everything when people

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<v Speaker 1>start realizing that the the status quo is not okay

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<v Speaker 1>with you just killing black people or doing injustice against

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<v Speaker 1>other people that are marginalized and poor people. When you started,

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<v Speaker 1>they start to hear those voices and he's like, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is wrong, and you're doing something that's morally wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people started feeling that pressure to do the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing. So you know that makes sense. Absolutely, ivred

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<v Speaker 1>with you a thousand percent about that. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think about and I think you always talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how much people don't know about what goes into the

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<v Speaker 1>strategy around these things. Right, So you have people who

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<v Speaker 1>will say that marching to your point doesn't mean anything,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not doing anything. Well, if that's the case, if

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<v Speaker 1>you believe that I'm marching and rallying means nothing, then

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<v Speaker 1>tell me why. Um the Mick Michael's, which are the

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<v Speaker 1>two the father and son um responsible for a mod

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<v Speaker 1>Avery's killing. So they were two out of the three.

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<v Speaker 1>One of their attorneys. He kept trying to get the

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<v Speaker 1>case thrown out because of the rallies that were happening

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<v Speaker 1>outside the court, the fact that Reverend Sharkton had been

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<v Speaker 1>inside the court, Reverend Jackson and other leaders right, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Panthers were outside the court. Was it the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Panthers? Let me just make sure it was you

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<v Speaker 1>sure the Black Panther Okay? And the New Black Panther

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<v Speaker 1>Party was outside the court. One day. They even had

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<v Speaker 1>a casket out there um that had the names of

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<v Speaker 1>people who have been killed by police officers and white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacists over many, many years. That was really upsetting to

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<v Speaker 1>the defense because they knew that it meant something about

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<v Speaker 1>what was happening in the court. To Jason's point, it

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<v Speaker 1>calls on, or at least tugs on the moral conscious

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<v Speaker 1>of the prosecutor. Right now, the prosecutor knows you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to walk back out here in front of these people

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<v Speaker 1>or past this community and and answer for what you

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<v Speaker 1>did or did not do. Especially election season, Oh, people

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<v Speaker 1>are upset. Whenever there's no noise, whenever people are quiet

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<v Speaker 1>about the issues, you're going to have folks try to

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<v Speaker 1>get away with more injustice, and so I would is

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<v Speaker 1>offered that, you know, listening to what he said it

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<v Speaker 1>it really made me feel like we're doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Not because it is going to get us a guilty

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<v Speaker 1>verdict every time, not because it is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the end all, be all and it's gonna bring us

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<v Speaker 1>the ultimate justice and freedom. And you're damn right. There

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<v Speaker 1>are other people who are gonna do things differently. As

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying from you know earlier in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>there are people who will choose the way that they

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<v Speaker 1>want to do their part. Everybody is not gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>it the same way. And I think, you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>for those of us who spend so much time criticizing, generally,

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<v Speaker 1>you find out that they do nothing, that they are

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<v Speaker 1>either talking heads that don't hit the ground, that they

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<v Speaker 1>have not built anything, and or that they they literally

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<v Speaker 1>literally are paid provocateurs who are sent to try to

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<v Speaker 1>disrupt what other people are doing. That may not be

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<v Speaker 1>the final answer, but it certainly is a part of

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<v Speaker 1>your legacy in terms of you fighting and you being

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the struggle. Yeah, everybody has something to do,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, something to say about what somebody else is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>When they ain't doing nothing. So you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot going on. We have so many, so many different

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<v Speaker 1>entry points in this movement. You know, every day I'm

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<v Speaker 1>enlightened and I find out different things that other people

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<v Speaker 1>are doing and try to collaborate. So a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago we went to our bads or when we

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<v Speaker 1>met with different you know, um professionals who have different

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<v Speaker 1>entry points into the movement and and work that they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing that's either silent or loud that we didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know about, and we were able to connect and and

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, stop criticizing what somebody else is doing

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<v Speaker 1>or not doing it. Just find a way to do

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<v Speaker 1>what you think is missing because there's so many different

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<v Speaker 1>needs inside this movement. Black people have so many different

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<v Speaker 1>needs that were sure that you can find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to help instead of trying to tear down with somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else's doing. So, you know, once again, shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Man for that all all of the knowledge he

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<v Speaker 1>gave us. And then and there are some people who

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<v Speaker 1>will because even I struggle with some of what he said, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like not struggling because I don't think it's right, but

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<v Speaker 1>struggling to understand it right. He is highly intellectual, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you can you can lose some of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that he's saying just because because of the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't practice law and we may not understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I when we really dig deeply into the sentence

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<v Speaker 1>and disparities that he spoke to how his clients for weed,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them weren't moving trucks and trucks of it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like he said, and I get his point when

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<v Speaker 1>he said, you know, if you did that, and good

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<v Speaker 1>for you. It doesn't mean that he believes that it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>What he's saying is that there are other people who

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<v Speaker 1>are moving ships of marijuana and or cocaine or other drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>and their families are literally running American society. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>not just American, A bunch of other countries are ruled

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<v Speaker 1>in many ways by the blood of drug money and

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<v Speaker 1>guns and whatever other you know, Uh, illegal activities happened

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<v Speaker 1>in our society, and by the way, is only illegal

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<v Speaker 1>for certain people. Because if you have oxycott and if

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<v Speaker 1>you sell prescription drugs, you can move mountains and and

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<v Speaker 1>be living and go into the White House for events.

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<v Speaker 1>You can be you know, running other businesses owning major

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<v Speaker 1>corporations and whatnot. But us, you know, Johnny who is

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<v Speaker 1>selling some weed on the corner. He's penalized and actually

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<v Speaker 1>pays for the crimes of big drug mob like bosses

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<v Speaker 1>and old You know, I get I understand what he

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, and I just think we have to have

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<v Speaker 1>more conversations that while we may not understand all the details,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to listen to the the lawyers, the legal side,

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<v Speaker 1>the activists, the parents, the victims, Like it's gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>all of us. The sure is man, you just said,

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<v Speaker 1>you said something that I said all the time. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>we will kill somebody in calling the worst drug deal

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<v Speaker 1>in the world because they're selling the same controlled substances

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<v Speaker 1>that these pharmaceuticals and these pharmacies are selling for years

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<v Speaker 1>and and and and being called the best businessmen in

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<v Speaker 1>the world and billionaires, you know, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny is gonna do twenty and thirty years for selling

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<v Speaker 1>the same exact things somewhere. So that's that brings me

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<v Speaker 1>to what I don't get it. There's this this stigma

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<v Speaker 1>about criminality, right and I'm being formally incarcerated, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I deal with this all the time that people want

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<v Speaker 1>to hold you to being quote unquote criminals. Now, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, I was forcedly incarcerated and accused of crimes

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't commit, and I served time for those crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But second of all, it was over twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years of m right, you understand I'm saying it was

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<v Speaker 1>a crime. I was nineteen years or over twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I served seven years for a crime that I didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 1>And people will constantly I see this in my d

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<v Speaker 1>MS all the time. Oh you're a fake, you was

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal, and this and that, and it's like, at

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<v Speaker 1>what point do a crime that you commit? At what

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<v Speaker 1>point does it say you said, Okay, this individual served

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<v Speaker 1>the time, whether they did it or not. The last

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years of this man's life has been about productivity.

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<v Speaker 1>The twenty years prior to that was about productivity. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>at what point do do you start to realize that

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<v Speaker 1>the the worst mistake a person might have made in

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<v Speaker 1>their lives? Because there are all people who are formally

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<v Speaker 1>in coorse rated who have done their crimes and they've

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<v Speaker 1>come home and made amends, and they've done everything possible

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<v Speaker 1>to make amends and become productive members of society. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't get why there is a mind state

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<v Speaker 1>amongst people that because a person commits one crime, served

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<v Speaker 1>their time moves on, that they're just these bad evil

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<v Speaker 1>people who can never be you know, reconstructed, who who

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<v Speaker 1>can never be rehabilitated, and who can never do anything

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<v Speaker 1>positive without without escaping that one crime if they commit

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's just it's really a mess up situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on an organization. I'm on a board of an

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<v Speaker 1>organization called Time Done. Shout out to my boy Ja

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan and what's We're fighting to get the rights back

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<v Speaker 1>performally in coorse rated people right like, because we deal

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<v Speaker 1>with so many stigmas, Like it's still jobs I can't

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<v Speaker 1>get I still can't get th h a pre check.

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<v Speaker 1>I still you know, it's these things won't they won't

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<v Speaker 1>allow me to have any of these things. I travel

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<v Speaker 1>and the Diamond member, all of these things and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't get to you they pre checked because I got

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<v Speaker 1>a felony on my record. And there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>other things. There's certain jobs in places that I'm I

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<v Speaker 1>won't be able to go to. I can't go to

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<v Speaker 1>Canada because I got a felon anymore don't matter how

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<v Speaker 1>many shows or whatever it is. I will never be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go to these certain places because I got

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<v Speaker 1>a fulding. And and it's like we're working on getting

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<v Speaker 1>these records expunged after you you serve a certain amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time free and you show to be a productive member.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't gotten into any crimes, you haven't done anything

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<v Speaker 1>that your record be completely expunged, and there's no even

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned of the crime that you did. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's something that really needs to happen because there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many beautiful, educated professional people that are just held by

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<v Speaker 1>these consequences of crimes they committed twenty in fifteen and

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<v Speaker 1>some even thirty years ago, and it's just it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not right. Well, we should definitely, in thattly have Jay

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan to come on and talk about the time on campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, when I found out that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you were telling me you can't walk dogs, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>be a dog walker. Uh, if you have a felony,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't get a barber's license to open a shop

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<v Speaker 1>in most states. And of course the problem with our

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<v Speaker 1>society is that every state gets to operate in a

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<v Speaker 1>different way. And then I'm contradicting myself because I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>that's a problem in our society. But then there are

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<v Speaker 1>a states that if the rule of law was based

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<v Speaker 1>upon some of our governors, some of the governors in

1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:43.360
<v Speaker 1>this country, we would be it up Ships Creek because

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about a place like Texas where they're

1:20:46.360 --> 1:20:49.439
<v Speaker 1>taking away a women's right to choose with her body,

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<v Speaker 1>if that was the norm across the country, then that

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<v Speaker 1>would also be a problem. So we just have such

1:20:58.120 --> 1:21:00.760
<v Speaker 1>ship because you could be in one state that will

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<v Speaker 1>allow you, as a person who was formally incarcerated with

1:21:04.080 --> 1:21:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a felony on your record, you can be in that

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<v Speaker 1>state and get to a barber's license, But then you

1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:10.400
<v Speaker 1>go over here to this state and you can't. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like people are pushed their backs are slammed up

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<v Speaker 1>against the wall, and we have to figure out, as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, how to sort of right side it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've got to have j Jordan's on um

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, Mice, I think, yes, it is true

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<v Speaker 1>that this system has done so much to try to

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<v Speaker 1>suck the energy out of people like you and Jay

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<v Speaker 1>and others. But I'm just so this is my praise

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<v Speaker 1>and worship moment. How God is so good because to

1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:48.800
<v Speaker 1>see where you and Jay started right, to know where

1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:51.280
<v Speaker 1>you were when I first met you, and to see

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<v Speaker 1>how hard you work every day regardless of all those

1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:58.840
<v Speaker 1>things that are trying to stop you. You can't you

1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:02.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't do several os in Canada. You couldn't go to

1:22:02.840 --> 1:22:07.519
<v Speaker 1>something big um in Australia. I think it was um.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, every time we get to the airport,

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<v Speaker 1>some of us are. And it's not just you. It's

1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:16.479
<v Speaker 1>not just you. You and Linda's are. Soul Away never

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<v Speaker 1>been in trouble for anything in her life, can't get

1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:23.719
<v Speaker 1>pre checked because she is a Muslim woman whose family

1:22:23.840 --> 1:22:27.559
<v Speaker 1>is from Palestine, even though she's an American citizen, and

1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:31.960
<v Speaker 1>she is on a list of restrictions in America where

1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:36.080
<v Speaker 1>she cannot get the same rights that I have. And

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<v Speaker 1>and and yet y'all still pushed past all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you keep going. And so I just want to

1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:46.400
<v Speaker 1>say that it is incredible to watch. And I'm assuming

1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:49.639
<v Speaker 1>you will say you are the exception and not the rule, right,

1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:54.599
<v Speaker 1>but it is incredible to watch how despite all that

1:22:54.680 --> 1:22:57.240
<v Speaker 1>this system is doing to try to hold you back,

1:22:57.439 --> 1:23:00.960
<v Speaker 1>to try to stop you from achieving your greatness. You

1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:04.280
<v Speaker 1>continue to plow through and push your way forward. And

1:23:04.320 --> 1:23:06.880
<v Speaker 1>look at all that you have accomplished just in the

1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:10.840
<v Speaker 1>last almost decade that I've known you, and you've been

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<v Speaker 1>working at UH, you know, through so many challenges even

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<v Speaker 1>since you were a young child. So thank you for

1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:23.599
<v Speaker 1>the acknowledgement. You know what it means a lot. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, I'm an exception, not the rule, and I

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<v Speaker 1>and I and I and I don't want I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want the success of other people that's in my same

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<v Speaker 1>situations or lack thereof, with what's considered success of them,

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<v Speaker 1>to be judged by me, because you know I have

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<v Speaker 1>I call it it's a combination of Luck's a combination

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<v Speaker 1>to drive, it's a combination of access. It's all of

1:23:47.200 --> 1:23:50.920
<v Speaker 1>those things play apart in what it is my success

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of people that come from the same

1:23:53.400 --> 1:23:56.800
<v Speaker 1>situations don't have that same access, Right they come home

1:23:56.840 --> 1:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>with the drive and they have the skill, and they

1:23:59.800 --> 1:24:03.280
<v Speaker 1>don't have the access and they don't have the luck,

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<v Speaker 1>and the two of the things out of whack. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe in luck, some level of luck because

1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:16.120
<v Speaker 1>because its blessings, they haven't they haven't run into their

1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:18.360
<v Speaker 1>blessing as of yet, you know what I'm saying. So

1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>there's there's so many different situations. The average individual doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that most people that are in successful situations was

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<v Speaker 1>one second away from being incarcerated, especially when you when

1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:34.519
<v Speaker 1>you come from our communities. The most successful people would

1:24:34.520 --> 1:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>tell you there was a time that they was in

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<v Speaker 1>the car with something they shouldn't have been in. There

1:24:39.280 --> 1:24:41.719
<v Speaker 1>was there was with a friend doing something they should

1:24:41.720 --> 1:24:44.360
<v Speaker 1>have done, or they participated son, and by the grace

1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>of God, you know, they didn't get caught and they

1:24:47.040 --> 1:24:49.400
<v Speaker 1>were able to make a decision and change their lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and they go on on to be successful and you know,

1:24:52.360 --> 1:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>productive members of society without felonies. You know, that's a

1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:58.679
<v Speaker 1>lot of people's stories. So just understand. I just want

1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:01.160
<v Speaker 1>people to know that you, or somebody you love or

1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>somebody you respect, was probably seconds away from being on

1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the opposite side of that fence. You know. So when

1:25:07.120 --> 1:25:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you pass judgment and you think that these people are

1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:12.440
<v Speaker 1>no good or and you want to call them criminals

1:25:12.439 --> 1:25:15.639
<v Speaker 1>and think they just they deserve not to have anything,

1:25:15.720 --> 1:25:18.759
<v Speaker 1>or not the right to be able to evolve and grow,

1:25:19.200 --> 1:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>just understand that, you know, you you're coming from a

1:25:21.880 --> 1:25:24.599
<v Speaker 1>point of privilege a lot of times in the point

1:25:24.840 --> 1:25:27.360
<v Speaker 1>of perspective that you're not. You're not giving the other

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<v Speaker 1>opposite spectrum the opportunity to even understand where they come from. God.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that said, we come to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>another dope show. Shout out to Jason Williams for his knowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Attorney, Jason Williams for his knowledge. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>broke so many things down that we didn't even know. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado River is my homeboy, and now that's the person

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<v Speaker 1>they just do rivers. You know what I'm saying, So

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