1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Okay Almadio. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: On January third, I was traveling and I happened to 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: be eating in Provenca in Medijin at Carol G's restaurant, 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: enjoying brunch when we got an Apple News update that 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: President Trump and the United States had captured the President 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro. And in the hours after we 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: saw that news, things seemed pretty common Mediine. We were like, 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: pretty far from the Colombia Venezuela border, but we started 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: to hear other news that President Trump was threatening a 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: similar fate for the president of Colombia, President Petro, And 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: as we continued our travels in Colombia, we went to Bogota, 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: and we were seeing a lot of street art warning 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: against an American invasion, a lot of graffiti wheat pasting 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: about Donald Trump and the US invading South America for 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: resources and political control, and the news just began to 16 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: further develop from there. 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 3: US intervention in any country is global news. The US 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: is a superpower, So it was definitely scary waking up 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: for me Saturday morning, getting ready to go on an 20 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: early run and also seeing an Apple News alert and 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: reading that President Maduro was captured by the US. Government, 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 3: and it was alarming, it was scary. There's so much 23 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: history that I've learned my entire life about US intervention 24 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: and different parts of the world, and just watching the 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: news unfold and being online and seeing all kinds of 26 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: misinformation AI generated content, which I think is something new 27 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: that we're navigating as a society and as people online, 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: is having to discern what is real information coming out 29 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: of a country and their news and their content and 30 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: their own citizens, their own people updating and posting, and 31 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: then what's AI and also propaganda at the same time 32 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 3: by our own either US media or just like talking 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: heads commentators. 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now our propaganda can be AI generated and 35 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: spread like wildfire. It's very wild. It's a very wild 36 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: and scary time. Let's get into it because there's more 37 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: to talk about on the US intervention in Latin America 38 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: right now, twenty twenty six. We've read about different interventions 39 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: throughout the years in our history books and growing up, 40 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: and it's happening right now. This is a whole new 41 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: chapter of the US in Latin America. 42 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: We're technically still off season, but we've been putting out 43 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 3: episodes anyway because there's so much to talk about, and 44 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: there's just so much we want to cover, and there's 45 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: so many ways you want to continue connecting with you, 46 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 3: our listener. So this is one of the things that 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 3: we're covering, and we've been covering since November and December. 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: An array of. 49 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: Different things that have been going on in culture are 50 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: now current events, world news. And by the way, I'm 51 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: Viosa and I'm Mala. We're the host of look At Radio. 52 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning in. And as we mentioned today, 53 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: we're talking about US intervention in Venezuela and also what's 54 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: happening across the country in different states, immigration raids, immigration enforcement, 55 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: basically state sanctioned violence that we're seeing that we're witnessing 56 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: all over the country. 57 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: And we're continuing to cover the ice raids. We've been 58 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: covering the ice raids since the summer of twenty twenty five, 59 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: both on the podcast, on the feed, and on Instagram 60 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: in various ways. And I think now what we're seeing 61 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: is this US power being exercised beyond our borders, which 62 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: has always happened. It's always been the case, but from 63 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: Venezuela to now Greenland and President Trump making threats to 64 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: purchase Greenland. So I in many ways believe him because 65 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: I think he always does what. 66 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: He says, no matter how horrible it is. 67 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's why his base supports him, because 68 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: he says the thing and then he does it, and 69 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: they want him to do the horrible thing. So when 70 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: he does things like threatens the president of Columbia or 71 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: threatens to buy Greenland, I think that we have to 72 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: take it seriously. And I think we're seeing the United 73 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: States once again flex its power and attempt to expand 74 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: US empire abroad. 75 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 3: In the days that followed the invasion of Venezuela, there 76 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: was a lot of conversation about legality, and I get it, 77 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: we should be talking about the legality, but our president 78 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: has shown again and again that he doesn't care about 79 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: the law. It doesn't really matter if something's legal or not. 80 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: He does it anyway, and it seems like there are 81 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: no consequences. Maybe there will be long term, but in 82 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: the immediate there have been no consequences for really anything 83 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: that he's done, even if it's legal or not. 84 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: He's operating like a dictator. He's operating like a hitler, 85 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: and it's a act first, ask questions later, model and 86 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm sure that he will allow his team to carry 87 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: out his dirty work and face their own Nuremberg trials later. 88 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: He's not gonna face any consequences, or if he does, 89 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: it'll be so far down the line, like maybe he 90 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: won't even be with us anymore. But it's the type 91 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: of mess that he's willing to create because nobody is 92 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: stopping him. 93 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: And then he's gonna let. 94 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: His officers and a soldiers and elected officials Republicans face 95 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: those consequences later in front of a tribunal. 96 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: But he's not. He doesn't he doesn't care. 97 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 3: It doesn't care. 98 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: He doesn't care. 99 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: He himself is not being stopped, and he himself is 100 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: not facing any consequences. He was invested, He's been investigated, 101 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: you know, he's been looked at, he's been looked into. 102 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: He's been associated with some nefarious characters, and none of 103 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: that has stopped him from becoming president a second time. 104 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: I mean, he is a convicted felon, so there has 105 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: been trials. Yes, he has been convicted in something. And 106 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: I think, just going back to the conversation around Venezuela 107 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 3: and President Maluro, who is obviously a very polarizing figure, 108 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: he is considered a dictator because he has stayed in 109 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: power longer than the constitution of Venezuela allows. There is 110 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: a lot of, I think, conflicting ideologies around Maduro and 111 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: who he is and the type of leader he is. 112 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: And so for me, I don't necessarily want to get 113 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: involved in that kind of politics because I think the 114 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: people of Venezuela should have the determination to decide who 115 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: their next leader is. But anytime the US gets involved, 116 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: and anytime there's any intervention, I think that that should 117 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: be alarming and should raise a lot of questions as 118 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: to whether that is the right thing for a country. 119 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: And we've seen historically that it is never the right thing, 120 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: and so I think that has been what I've really 121 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: been sitting with, Like I see Venezuelans that I know 122 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: and people who are online who are celebrating that Malulo 123 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: was removed, but also sitting with Okay, but now what 124 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: now that the US has involved, what happens next? 125 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely it reminds me of like a situation like Cuba 126 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: and how polarizing like a Chegavara can be. And you 127 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: have a very leftist Americans who wear their che merch 128 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: and who see him as a freedom fighter, and then 129 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: you have Cubans who see him. 130 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: As a dictator murderer. 131 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: And I think that that type of polarization towards a 132 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: Latin American leader, towards a figure I think we're seeing 133 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: here as well. And so it's hard for someone who 134 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: doesn't live in Venezuela and who hasn't been living under 135 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: Maduro to really say one way or another, like is 136 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: this a good thing? Is this a bad thing. It's 137 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: really got to come from the people of Venezuela. 138 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: And I think, regardless of your opinion of who Madudu 139 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: is as a leader, beyond Latin America, US intervention has 140 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: never actually been positive nor the people neither. For US 141 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: as a country, we see how expensive it is to 142 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: be in the US, how we're developed nation, doesn't have 143 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: universal health care. There are so many basic needs that 144 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: we're lacking. Yet here we are as a country spending 145 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: millions of dollars in another country enforcing democracy, which is laughable, 146 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: while also detaining residents, civilians, citizens, even it's just opposing 147 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: things at the same time. 148 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: The United States telling other people how to run their 149 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 2: household when our house is on fire and it doesn't 150 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: make any sense. How do we install democratic governments abroad 151 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: when we do not have a functioning democracy here. We 152 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: don't know how to do it. How can we tell 153 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: anybody else how to do it or install a democratic government? 154 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. 155 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: And this is why historically, when the United States intervenes 156 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: and installs like a puppet government, everything goes to shit. 157 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 3: And we've seen that in Watemala, in Nicaragua, in Chile, 158 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: in Aarentina over the last century. So there's precedent, and 159 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: so we can look back at history and know that 160 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: there's so many reasons why this will not work and 161 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: why it is detrimental to the people of that country. 162 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: It's just a reminder to look back in order to 163 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: look forward and to study what resistance movements were doing 164 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 3: and to really stay grounded that people survived and people 165 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: continued on and people found a way to fight back. 166 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: And that's really what I've been trying to focus on. 167 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: And I think it's like we always talk about on 168 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: the show, when a community is impacted by violence or 169 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: policy or the United States in general, is to look 170 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: towards that community for guidance on how best to support 171 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: that community. And I think if you don't maybe personally 172 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: know any Venezuelan people, they are the best people to 173 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: talk to about the situation in Venezuela and what they 174 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: want for their country and with the country needs to 175 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: thrive and to move forward. There's Venezuelans all over the 176 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: world because they've had to leave because the situation has 177 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: been bad for them in their home country. I think 178 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: that they are experiencing like the experience of being a 179 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: refugee and in their own way as like political refugees, 180 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: and I don't think that this situation is going to 181 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: help that. I think that we will likely see more 182 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: Venezuelans like leaving the country depending on how this installed 183 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 2: US government pans out. 184 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 3: Even in the last couple of weeks, I saw the 185 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: US Department of Homeland Security saying, well, legal protections for 186 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: Venezuelan refugees residents are ending, so you can go back 187 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 3: to the country you love so much. So this is 188 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: also just feels like heavy handed, like Okay, we'll quote 189 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: fix your country so you can leave. 190 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: You can go back. 191 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: You're no longer of a refugee status, so we don't 192 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: have to give you any type of protection or pathway 193 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: to citizenship. It is very complex. With any community, there's 194 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: obviously difference of opinions and lived experiences. So it's not 195 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: enough to just well listen to Venezuelans right of course, yes, 196 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: but also taking into account that there's so much nuance 197 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 3: within said community and different lived experiences and how they're 198 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: going to perceive this type of US intervention. 199 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: At the end of it all, it's more displacement. Whether 200 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 2: it's folks leaving Venezuela because of the newly installed government, 201 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: or folks being forced to leave the country that they've 202 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: settled in to go back to Venezuela because of the 203 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: newly installed government. It sounds like a whole lot of 204 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: shuffling people around for political reasons. 205 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like January is always like the longest 206 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: month of the year because it's of course the brand 207 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: new calendar year. But it just seems like in the 208 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 3: last couple of years has just been a lot that's 209 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: happened in the month of January, and from Venezuela to 210 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: then Minnesota, there has been even more happening within our 211 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: own country, which has been I think one of the 212 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: reasons we wanted to talk about what's been going on 213 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: here in the US and how it affects everyone regardless 214 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: of where you live in the. 215 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: US, and this being an example of how the United 216 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: States is not a functioning democracy. Right now, the murder 217 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: of Renee Good, who right now on the news, especially 218 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: if you're looking at Fox and any right wing outlets, 219 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: Christy Nome and Friends and Donald Trump are spreading this 220 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: narrative that Renee Good basically attempted to attack an ICE 221 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: officer with her car and that this ICE officer was 222 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 2: in danger, in fear for his life. That essentially, in 223 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: the words of of right wing America and they're talking heads, 224 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: that Renee Good was essentially like a domestic terrorist who 225 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: needed to be taken off the streets. That is the 226 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 2: prevailing narrative, although there is footage from the murder of 227 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: Renee Good driving away from the ICE officer and attempting 228 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: to get out of there when the Ice officer shot 229 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: her and killed her. So Americans are up in arms. 230 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: A lot of people are up in arms because Renee 231 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: Good was a white woman and an American citizen. And 232 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: of course there have been murders of people of color, 233 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: of undocumented people, and that has resulted in protest and 234 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: in anger. But I think that ice killing a white 235 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: woman who is an American citizen sets off a whole 236 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: different level of anger and rage because she is not 237 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: supposed to be the target can kill her in her 238 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: car while she's driving away, then they can do it 239 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: to anybody, which is something we've talked about on the show. 240 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: I know this is not necessarily this doesn't necessarily apply 241 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: to our listeners and our community, but it's this notion 242 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: that black and brown people have been talking about this. 243 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: Marginalized people have been talking about this for a long 244 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: time that if the state can do this to us, 245 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: it will happen to you. And I think this is 246 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: one of those examples where it's like, well, we've been 247 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: screaming this for a while. And to also mention that 248 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: this happened in Minneapolis, which is where we're Six years ago, 249 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: the murder of George Floyd by a police officer was 250 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: in Minneapolis, So it just feels like an open wound 251 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: in so many ways. And I can imagine in that 252 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: place of what transpired in twenty twenty to what's happening 253 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: now in twenty twenty six, and how in so many 254 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: ways it not much has changed here in Los Angeles 255 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: you're talking about Mala. You mentioned how Renee Good, of 256 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: course was a thirty seven year old white woman. She 257 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: was a mother of three, she was a poet and 258 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: active member for community, clearly, and there's been national outrage 259 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: which is justified. Simultaneously here in Los Angeles, an off 260 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: duty ICE agent murdered a black man, Keith Porter, on 261 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: New Year's Day, and that of course does not received 262 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: the type of national coverage, but it is definitely being 263 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: spread here locally. To keep in mind that this state 264 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: sanctioned violence, that ICE officers are acting with impunity, they're 265 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: acting as if they have no training, which we know 266 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: they clearly don't, and so it is something for us 267 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: to all be watching and documenting and not just like 268 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: letting it go by. 269 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: Either not only have things not changed, but they've escalated 270 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 2: and gotten so much worse. Yes, because nothing was stopped, right, 271 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: nothing was stopped, So the bleed has continued. And I 272 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 2: think that the Republican right wing Trumpian strategy of be 273 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: smirching Renee Good's name and calling her a domestic terrorist 274 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: is so specific and intentional because I think what they're 275 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: doing is also continuing to build this narrative that white 276 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: Americans who are anti Ice, anti Trump, pro immigrant, pro 277 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: people of color, pro civil rights are terrorists. 278 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: Right. 279 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: So if you are a liberal white person, if you're 280 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: a liberal American, if you believe in democracy, if you 281 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: are anti authoritarianism, then you are anti America. You are 282 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: a terrorist against the American project. You are an enemy. 283 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: And I think that it's meant to be a scare tactic. 284 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 2: Of course, two American citizens, two white American citizens, don't 285 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: get involved, because this is what's going to happen to you, 286 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: and this is how we're going to talk about you. 287 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a threat and a warning to not protest, 288 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: not be vocal, exactly what you're saying, like stay in 289 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: your lane, like this doesn't apply to you. And there 290 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: has been footage of ICE officers speaking to bystanders in 291 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: the days that followed to saying like look at what 292 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: happened to that woman, and even using derogatory language about 293 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 3: Renee Good, like look at what happened to her? Like 294 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: haven't you learned anything? And so again we're seeing in 295 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 3: real time that this was a threat. This is a 296 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 3: warning to the rest of white Americans, white citizens to 297 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: just stay in your lane and don't make noise, let 298 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 3: us deal with the other people. 299 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: We're trying to help you. Let us clean it up 300 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: for you, and don't get in the way, or you're 301 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: going to be in the way and we'll get you 302 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: out of the way. 303 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 304 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean in the days that followed, you know, 305 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: there have been more and more accounts of ICE terrorizing 306 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: US citizens racially profiling and this is not new. We 307 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: have seen this and we've known this, but it has 308 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: escalated too. I think it has escalated to a point 309 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 3: that we haven't seen before, at least on our phones, 310 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: news coverage, national news. I think we're seeing in a 311 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: new light. Don't go anywhere, lokomotives, We'll be right back. 312 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: So I guess next steps and takeaways and call to action. 313 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: I think like we've been talking about since last summer 314 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: and in previous seasons. Look, I thought our radio was 315 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: born during Trump one Trump presidency, and here we are 316 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: in Trump too, and yeah, things are worse, and they 317 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: not only have stayed the same, but they have gotten 318 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: more terrible. And I think that every time we talk 319 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: about this, we encourage folks to get involved or to vote, 320 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: or I don't know, donate to legal aid or to 321 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: funds that are helping people who have been impacted by 322 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: ice and immigration detention. We encourage folks to stay informed 323 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: and to join a protest. I think that we've been 324 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: saying those things for years, and I'm not actually sure 325 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 2: what more to possibly say. I don't know what a 326 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: further call to action on the show we can put 327 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: out there, because, like you mentioned at the top of 328 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 2: this episode, there's like no rule of law. There's no 329 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: rules right now to this game. The democracy is not functioning. 330 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: The usual checks and balances are not in place. Legal 331 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: observers are being arrested in LA at protests, and American 332 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: citizens are being shot by immigration and Customs enforcement in Minnesota. 333 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: You know, So I don't know what's next. 334 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely like keep each other safe, keep an 335 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 3: eye on each other, on your neighbors, and just check 336 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: on each other, because I agree, like beyond the call 337 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: to actions that we've shared over the years. And I 338 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 3: do want to say also that a listener who lives 339 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 3: in Minnesota DMed me and she asked me to share 340 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: mutual aid from her friend. That's organizing because there's a 341 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: lot of people who aren't leaving their house a lot 342 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 3: of immigrants, just working people who are not leaving their 343 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: homes out of fear. So she asked me to share 344 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: a resource list, so I will link that in our 345 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: show notes. What happens now and where do we go 346 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: from here? Again going back to US American history, and 347 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: there's all this comparison of the United States right now 348 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 3: to Nazi Germany, but keeping in mind that the US 349 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: has operated like this colonial power even within are on 350 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: border during Jim Crow, during just the founding of. 351 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: The US Japanese Internment. 352 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: Exactly, Like this is not new, and so I think 353 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: that this is discomfort and almost wanting to wash our 354 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 3: hands of like, well, this is not who we are, 355 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: and this is like Nazi Germany. Sure that is an 356 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 3: equal comparison, but there's also so many comparisons that can 357 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: be made here of things that have happened here in 358 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 3: the nineteen hundreds, pre dating the nineteen hundreds, and so 359 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 3: again it goes back to reading and learning from like 360 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: the thinkers and writers of that time, and the learning 361 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: more about the movements and what was being done. And 362 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: I feel like that is the only way to to 363 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 3: not be swallowed by hopelessness and not be swallowed by fear. 364 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: Is to remember that people survived and that there's a 365 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: way out. 366 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: I always tell myself that, like I think that the 367 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: there is no really end of the world. It's like 368 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: humanity is really just surviving through a different type of apocalypse. 369 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: Like every five year, there's just. 370 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: A horrible tragic turn of events that people have to 371 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: survive through. And that is like human existence. I mean, 372 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 2: at some point in our history we were dropping atomic 373 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: bombs on Japan. We've done worse than what's going on 374 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: now and right now is real bad, but the United 375 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 2: States has done even worse. I think also, like I 376 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 2: think of Native Americans and Native Americans I think are 377 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 2: the ultimate like folks who can say, like this is 378 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: not who we are, this thing, but there's no other 379 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: place for them to go. This is the ancestral home. 380 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: I think of indigenous people all over the world and 381 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: the idea of like because we've talked about it, I 382 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: think about it too, like Canada, Mexico. Can I get 383 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 2: dual citizenship in Mexico and like move down there and 384 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: just live a different life. And I just think about 385 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: like indigenous people throughout the world and the centuries of 386 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: atrocities but where's the other place. 387 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: You know? 388 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: And yeah, so I think like, as human beings, we've 389 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: survived a lot. 390 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: That's why we're here to talk about it today. 391 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: And that's why oppressed people all over the world like 392 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: are still fighting because tomorrow is gonna come. There will 393 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: be another day. We have lived through worse and we 394 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: will survive. But yeah, it's it's it's tough. 395 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: It's a tough moment. It's a tough moment to live through. 396 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: But I think that eventually there has to be there 397 00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: has to be some relief. 398 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 3: The pendulum will swing again. That is something I keep 399 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 3: telling myself. Also, the pendulum will swing again. 400 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, very valid, very valid. So, yeah, this is our 401 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: this is the. 402 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: First episode we're recording this year. 403 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, every Happy New Year, everybody. Yeah, Happy 404 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: New Year. Yeah. 405 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: I mean, remember you were saying that January is always 406 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: tough and long, and it wasn't that long ago that 407 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 2: what was it, January fifteenth when they took over the capital, 408 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: January sixth, January sixth, January sixth, when they took over 409 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: the capital. I mean that was nuts, that was absolutely nuts. 410 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: But what was so interesting about that is that it 411 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 2: was also I mean someone died, but it's not like 412 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: they took over the government and installed a new government. 413 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: That's what they wanted, that's what they wanted to do. 414 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and in any other country that would have been 415 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 2: like a legitimate coup, but what it was here was 416 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: just like a show. 417 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, let's have a committee, a committee. 418 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: It's like a committee to review what happened. Like I 419 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 3: feel like that's what. 420 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: Formed for committees formed. 421 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: It is like, oh wait, the president who was part 422 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: of this insurrection is going to face consequences. 423 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely the insurrection. The insurrection. What a time. 424 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: But I think like now it feels like, Okay, the 425 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: country has been taken over. Yeah, now it feels like 426 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: the country has been taken over. But like you said, 427 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: the pendulum will swing back. And I think that there 428 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 2: if it were not for social media, right that we 429 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 2: and we didn't have the exposure to like every activation 430 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: and everything that's going on, we might not feel the 431 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: same way. Like there's probably been moments in our lives 432 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: where all around us terrible, horrible things were going on, 433 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: but we didn't know because we weren't exposed to it. 434 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: So I think the knowing and not being able to 435 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 2: do anything about it is also difficult to navigate because 436 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 2: I don't think that as human beings, I don't think 437 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 2: we're hardwired to know about every threat against every person 438 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: that's going on constantly. I think evolutionarily we're designed to 439 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: just manage the threats in our immediate vicinity against us. 440 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere locomotives, We'll be right back. Yeah. And 441 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: I think that that's why and this is related, I promise. 442 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 3: I think that that's why there's been these translately of 443 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: like well, one being offline. I think people are realizing 444 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 3: that that it's one addictive and two I'm inundated and 445 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: I should not actually maybe know all of this. The 446 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: other thing that I think is related is this rise 447 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 3: in like analogue. There's these I've been seeing more and 448 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: more I saw maybe the second half of twenty twenty 449 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: five and now carrying into the new year, like these 450 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: analog trends like let's bring back analog, let's bring back 451 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: a house phone. And I think that it's this resurgence 452 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: because of how much we know and how exhausted we are. 453 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: And I think that that's why people are moving to 454 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: a different type of like technology. There's always going to 455 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: be this like counter at the same time we have 456 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: this like AI growth, this boom, but then we also 457 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: have people stepping back and having this like counter culture 458 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 3: of analog. 459 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 460 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's always, like the saying goes, there can be 461 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: too much of a good thing, and so connectedness is good, 462 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: and information is good, and the free flow of information 463 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: is incredible. Being up to date and aware of what's 464 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: happening is good, you know. I think that these are 465 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: things that we value. But can it Can it get 466 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: to a point where it's overwhelming, where it's too much, 467 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: and then I'm paralyzed by anxiety and stress and fear. 468 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 2: I was rewatching White Lotus season two and Aubrey Plaza's 469 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: character is like a liberal attorney who helps people with 470 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: like harassment claims at work, and she's she's like a 471 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: good guy, right, like a liberal, and they're on vacation 472 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: with like this rich white couple, and I find it 473 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: so funny, like rewatching season two of White Lotus and 474 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: seeing Aubrey's character now today versus the first time I 475 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: watched it, because her character has this recurring statement of 476 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if we want to have kids because 477 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: the world is so terrible right now, like bring a 478 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: child into this? This is horrible, Like it's just not 479 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: a good time, like the world is burning, the world 480 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: is ending, like why bring a child into this? And 481 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: this season came out a few years ago, But I 482 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,959 Speaker 2: think that we can develop this cynicism of well, like 483 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: how can we go on? How can we live? How 484 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: is it possible? What's the point? Everything is burning around us? 485 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: And I find myself in that like vibe. But the 486 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: writers of White Lotus season two understood that this personality, 487 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: this person is like, this is who we are now 488 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: right Because we're so aware, we're so aware. 489 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: It's easy to fall into like nihilism and cynicism. It's very, 490 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: very easy. In some ways, it's easier than being hopeful 491 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: and using hope as action. It's in so many ways 492 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: it's easier to just be like, this is just how 493 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 3: it is, and this is bad and I don't want 494 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: to partake in it, but I'm also not going to 495 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: do anything about it, you. 496 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: Know, absolutely, So all of that being said, I think 497 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: there's such a fine line between awareness and cynicism, between 498 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: between even like hope and naivete. I think these these 499 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: concepts are cousins they're so related. I think to have 500 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: some level of hope for the future, we need to 501 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: let go of like hyper analysis a little bit, because 502 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: I think that if we really mire ourselves in every 503 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: detail of the violence and the corruption and the inequality, 504 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: and if we surround ourselves constantly with too much news 505 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: about every injustice that's taking place in every corner of 506 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: the world, that it can paralyze us in fear. And 507 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: I think that in some ways to feel hopeful about 508 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: the future, we have to block some of that out, 509 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: to free up our minds and our spirits to look 510 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: forward and move forward, and to like have some hope 511 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: and some faith in ourselves and in humanity that things 512 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: will get better and we will move forward. And I 513 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: think that like sometimes if we are just way too 514 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: glued to the phone and way like if we're like 515 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: overly informed, I think that it becomes very easy, like 516 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: you said, to vere into nihilism, to vere into cynicism, 517 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: and to just kind of give up. 518 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: I think this is a good time to do an 519 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 3: audit of your media diet. How much media and news 520 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: are you consuming. For me, I try to do a morning. 521 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: Podcast. 522 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: I listened to NPR up first I'll listen to a 523 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 3: more in depth podcast episode by another news outlet, and 524 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 3: then I try to like that, let that be it. Obviously, 525 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 3: breaking news happens, and I will go and learn more. 526 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: But I try to really give myself like an hour 527 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: forty minutes to an hour to learn about something that's 528 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: happening in the world, learning about something that's happening here, 529 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: so that I do not feel overwhelmed and paralyzed of fear. 530 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 3: And I think it's also about giving yourself that then 531 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 3: freedom to be making art or consuming art, because that 532 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: is for me, what's going to keep me grounded. It's 533 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 3: going to be reading fiction. It's going to be reading 534 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 3: writers who have been writing about this for a long time. 535 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,719 Speaker 3: It's going to be listening to music right, It's going 536 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: to be calling my friend telling my mom I love her, 537 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 3: also getting my mom off the phone. Like check in 538 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 3: on your boomer parents. I am seeing how addicted to 539 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: their phones they are and how addicted to the news 540 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: they are, and I'm like, oh, this is why you're 541 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: not you don't feel well, oh, because I don't even 542 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: think you realize that you're unwell because you're consuming so 543 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: much news. So also check in on your elders, you know, 544 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: like take care of yourself, of course, but check in 545 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 3: on your people and like are they consuming too much news? 546 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: Do they need to go step outside for a little bit? 547 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 3: Because I think that is the only way we're going 548 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 3: to keep going, is if we're keeping each other healthy, 549 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 3: safe and well. 550 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and as always, go touch grass, go outside, go 551 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: for a picnic, go to the beach, go on a walk, 552 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: go for a hike, get some exercise in because we 553 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: should be fit when the revolution comes. We should start 554 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: training now. 555 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 3: That's the other Start training, and do not worry about 556 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 3: losing weights. 557 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: No bulk up please, we got a both. We got 558 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: a bulk we got a strength train. 559 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: Yes, fascism wants us to be skinny, yes, but and 560 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 3: week but no, we have to be strong. 561 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 562 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 2: I don't think we've suggested that necessarily on the show. 563 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: I think for like wellness, yeah, we talk about like, 564 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: you know, exercise, but when we think about the state 565 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: of catastrophe that we're in and the possibility for like 566 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 2: appending revolution, like actually, yeah, we should all be strength training. 567 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, we should be strength training. You should know how 568 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: to like you should be able to lift your weight, 569 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 3: lift your own weight within your ability, right. 570 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's possible. So I don't know. 571 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 2: I think that's a very solid takeaway start strength training 572 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 2: for the revolution. 573 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: You heard it here and this has been another gapit radio. 574 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 3: We'll catch you next time. The lok at Our Radio 575 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 3: is executive produced and hosted by me Biosa. 576 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 4: And me Mala, also edited by me biosa 577 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: Local Lumdia