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You know they say 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: justice never sleeps? Is that true? Will an old VHS 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: tape help us solve the murder of the beautiful woman 12 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: in Galaston stabbed in the heart? I Meancy Grace, this 13 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories and we want answers. Joining me right now. 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: The victim Sylvia brother Derlas Salinas, who only recently returns 15 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: to the scene of the stabbing. I know how that feels, Derlas, 16 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: believe it or not, After all these years, I still 17 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: have not gone back to the scene where my fiance 18 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: was murdered. I don't think you would help me in 19 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: any way. Just something in eight inside of me I 20 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: don't want to go see it. I don't want to 21 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: stand there, and I don't want to go into what 22 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: kind of depression it might bring on and me be 23 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: sad around my ten year old twins. That took a 24 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: lot of guts. Darlas Salinas also with me, Sylvia's niece 25 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Maria Baker. Courtney Fisher, investigative reporter with ABC thirteen who 26 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: has been on the story. Forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, 27 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University, juvenile judge, lawyer and 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com, Ashley Wilcott, Alan Dowke, 29 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: and Jackie Howard. We want answers. First to Courtney Fisher 30 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: with ABC thirteen. Courtney, when I first read the title 31 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: of a story that you wrote, I was in. I 32 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: was all in and there was no turning back. Your 33 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: title says the HS tape that survived could help solve 34 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: murder of Galveston woman stabbed in heart. It says survived Ike. 35 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? So Hurricane Ike back 36 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight actually destroyed a lot of 37 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: evidence in cold case files in Galveston, and that's where 38 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: Silvia Plena is was murdered, and so they've had to 39 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: sift through. Actually a few detectives even gotten have gotten 40 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: sick going to stiff through old evidence and see what's needed. 41 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: What happened. So when Sylvia's family contacted me, the detective 42 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: had to go back into their evidence room. They didn't 43 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: really know what they had at this case. They hadn't 44 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: gotten that far. I was first told all of the 45 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: evidence was destroyed and that was just unfortunate. That's just 46 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: the way it was. Okay, wait a minute, I gotta 47 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: tell you something. Derlus and Maria and everybody, thank you 48 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: for being with us, because this case is hurting my heart. 49 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: I want to address something. Drlus and Maria Baker. You 50 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: are blood relatives of Sylvia, and I want to tell 51 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: you something. Don't be too hard on the evidence being lost. 52 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: He of course, it was a hurricane at b Let 53 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: me just tell you what happened to me. I had 54 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: just got into the d a's office. I had been 55 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 1: prosecuting for a while, and the elected district attorney said, hey, 56 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: and the case has been reversed. We tried it the 57 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: first time about fourteen years ago. It went all the 58 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: way up to the circuit Court of Appeals, which is 59 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: one wrong below the Supreme Court, and it got reversed 60 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: and it's made its way back down to the d 61 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: a's office to retry. I went looking for it. Guess 62 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: what evidence was left? There was one X ray. I 63 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: didn't know who it was. I could see there was 64 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: a bullet in the X ray, okay, and a picture 65 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: from an A T M machine of a guy. I 66 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: couldn't see his face, but his hat said kiss my bass. 67 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: That's all the evidence I could find. And we didn't 68 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: have a hurricane. But over fourteen years, when I was 69 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: still in undergrad and going through law school, the evidence 70 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: room had been moved and all the evidence had either 71 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: been lost or mislocated. It happens, and it sounds crazy, 72 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: and it sounds too bizarre to be true, but it happens. 73 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: And let me tell you something. It took me a 74 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: while put that case back together again and got a conviction, okay, 75 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: on Henry Hamilton's That was the code defendant that I tried. 76 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: God will and he's steal in g all right now, Okay, 77 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: Courtney did not mean to interrupt, but I had to 78 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: let Darlas and Maria No, it happens Okay, it's not 79 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: a conspiracy property. Okay, go ahead. So so I said 80 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: to the detectives, you know that's important. I had to 81 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: bring it back to the family. Obviously that's not exciting 82 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: news you want to share with them. We were all 83 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: going and then I got a phone call from another 84 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: detective who said she hadn't seen the case yet, but 85 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: she had gotten it assigned to her. She hadn't made 86 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: her way to the case yet. She was willing to look. 87 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: And she called me and said, you're not going to 88 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: believe it, but we found this VHS tape, this original 89 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: VHS tape of the detective walking the entire crime scene, 90 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: and we were both shocked because she said, I am 91 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: so surprised that survived the hurricane. Okay, that is a 92 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: miracle that it's vibe. I want you to hear what 93 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: Durlas Selena says. Two k t f KA listens Sealinas 94 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: when I first walked up, hasn't been to his sister's 95 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: old store. It hit me all over again in twenty 96 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: eight years, Hannah, it breaks the hearty. You know, this 97 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: is where Sylvia Selenas was murdered on Halloween Day. She 98 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: didn't deserve to die that way. Nobody does and with 99 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: me now is journalists Salinas that Sylvia's brother and Maria 100 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Baker his niece. Mr Selenas, tell me what led you 101 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: to go back to the scene of the crime. The 102 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: reason I went back is because the family needs closure. 103 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: We want to put this behind us, uh and find 104 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: guess just do you recall, of course you do when 105 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Sylvia was murdered? Yes, I do, Yes, I do remember 106 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: what happened, Darlas. When did you discover what had happened? Oh, 107 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't Hawaii at work, and when I got a 108 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: phone call from the neighbor telling me what happened, why 109 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: were you in Hawaii? I decided to move to Hawaii. 110 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: We thought about possibly opening up stores in Hawaii. I 111 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: talked to my sister about it before I left, and 112 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: she was interested and she thought it that it was 113 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: a good idea, and she said that, you know, she'd 114 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: like to come over one day that she was planning 115 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: to put the store up herself. Oh, my stars, that 116 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: just breaks my heart. Ashley will caught with me juvenile judge, lawyer, 117 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: founder child crime watch dot com. Ashley she was that 118 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: close to going to Paradise you know, actually, I have 119 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: always wanted to go to Hawaii. I've never been, but 120 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 1: it's just I've been told absolutely one of the most 121 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: beautiful places on earth. And to think that Sylvia stayed 122 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: here and hadn't gone yet and this happens, it's just 123 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: such an ironic twist of fate. It is. And dr 124 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: List and Maria, my heart breaks for you all because 125 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: here she is working hard, doing the right thing to 126 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: be able to then go somewhere like Hawaii and this 127 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: happens to her. Just again, doesn't make sense. Guys, we 128 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: are talking about the unsolved murder of an absolutely beautiful lady, 129 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: Sylvia Selina's so, darlas you are in Hawaii at the 130 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: time you discover your sister has been killed. What do 131 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: you know of what happened that Halloween night of her murder. 132 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: I've only actually recently what actually happened in the store. Uh. Unfortunately, 133 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: when it came back, I had to do the closure 134 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: of the store and you know, sell the store out 135 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: and get all the paperwork together. Uh there's details that 136 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: really didn't actually know too well, only what the investigators 137 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: told me, and they didn't have any witnesses at the time. 138 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: You know what's funny odd Joe's got Morrigan forensics sex part. 139 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: I remember, for years and years and years I would 140 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: not divulge to anyone about Keith's murder. And then when 141 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: I became a prosecutor, defense attorneys would to use anything 142 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: to get under the d a skin or cause a 143 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: problem in the case, try to throw the judge off 144 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: the case, try to throw this witness out. I never 145 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: let anybody know I was a crying victim that my 146 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: fiance was murdered just for our wedding, because I thought 147 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: somehow and I didn't really even know how, that they 148 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: would use it against me, and um it was well 149 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: on believe it or not Joe Scott before I went public. 150 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: It was years later, after I started the show with 151 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: Johnny Cochrane and moved to New York that I publicly 152 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: talked about Keith's murder. And it was with Larry King, 153 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: and it's the the oddest thing. When he asked me 154 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: the date of keith murder, I got the day right, 155 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: I said the wrong year. I don't know why. Then 156 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: all sorts of stories on the Internet started about how 157 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: Keith really wasn't dead, how I didn't have the facts 158 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: straight how he had been a cop. No, he was 159 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: a low liquor store. No this, no that, And it's 160 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: the most bizarre thing. But you know the truth. To 161 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: this day, Joe Scott, I have not gone back and 162 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: read the appeal in that case, the trial transcript. I 163 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: don't know why. Maybe I don't want to know everything, 164 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: or it's just too painful. But what he's saying, what 165 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: durlis is saying that he didn't know all the facts, 166 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: that that's not really uncommon. It's like it's something that 167 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: hurts so much. It's like picking up a rattlesnake and 168 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: expecting it to be a good experience. It's not. No, 169 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: it's it never is. Nancy. And I think that people 170 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: that I've gone back and talked to in cold cases 171 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: over the course of my career, one of the things 172 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: they do is they kind of shelter, you know, the shelter. 173 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 1: They're there, their psyche, their spirit, whatever it is that 174 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: kind of drives you. They try to protect that in 175 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: their brain. But yet something some flash will occurr and 176 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: it all comes back new. I can only imagine, darlis 177 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: that uh that in that moment in time, you were 178 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: shocked when this terrible tragedy to set your family, and 179 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm very sorry, but I'm I'm curious, I think, uh 180 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: to know what what was your initial reaction? I mean, 181 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: was it was it one? Obviously you were shocked, but 182 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure that there was a long period of disbelief, 183 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,359 Speaker 1: particularly considering you were at such a distance when this happened. Well, unfortunately, 184 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: I had a lot of anger my first instinct. For 185 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: some reason, I was angry and mad, uh that I 186 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: wasn't there, you know, if I would have been in 187 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: galast and maybe I could forbidden it or h I 188 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: don't lost and I didn't know how to help him. 189 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: Darlas Um with me is Sylvia Selina's brother and niece, 190 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: and I almost I hate to have him on because 191 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: a lot of times and murder victims start talking about 192 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: what happened, it just brings it all back. You know, 193 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: some people like to talk about their issues and somehow 194 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: it helps them. I'm not like that Derlis at all. 195 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: I remember when my father passed away, our pastor and 196 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: our little Methodist church has asked me, I don't know 197 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: how many times do you want to get together and talk. 198 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't because it just compounds. It 199 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: makes me live through it again and again and again. 200 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: We're talking about a beautiful young lady, Sylvia Selena is 201 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: the photos of her, she's stunning. She was stabbed dead 202 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: on Halloween. Now, the original timeline states she was alone 203 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: at Selena's food store. Um, Maria Baker with me, that's 204 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: Sylvia's niece. The Selena's Food Store Is it like, um 205 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: a seven eleven, a convenient store? Is that what it was? Me? 206 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: I it was just a little family grocery store. We 207 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: had lots of regular our customers that lived in the neighborhood. Um, 208 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in the store, so we 209 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: would see kind of the same faces on a regular basis. 210 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: That's so odd. To Courtney Fisher, ABC investigative reporter who 211 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: really got my interest in this case. I didn't even 212 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: know about it until I read her headline about an 213 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: old VHS tape that survived Hurricane Ike and Galveston was 214 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: a piece of evidence found after the property room was destroyed. 215 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: Can it give us answers in the Selena's case. Courtney 216 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: described the store for me as best you know it. 217 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's been a really quaint part of galaston 218 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: the thing I noticed when we drove off. It's surrounded 219 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: by these light colored, pink green yellow houses. A really 220 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: sweet neighborhood, just a few blocks from the waterfront from 221 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: the Gulf, and it's just a nice neighborhood. It's bordered 222 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: up now, but it was a white corner store. And 223 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: the tape, when you look at it, the thing that 224 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: struck me and the detective. I think she was most 225 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: surprised that I asked her, what was the one thing 226 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: about this tape that really surprised you? And it's as 227 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: the detective is starting the video when he goes up 228 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: and he's outside of the tape, you see the yellow 229 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: crime scene tape and you see how many people are 230 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: gathered at this crime scene. It's just clear that they 231 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: knew Sylvia in this area and this part of Galveston, 232 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: and then she was well liked and people are shot. 233 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: It's the middle of the morning, it wasn't a dark 234 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: time of day, it wasn't a seedy area, and so 235 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: many friends and families just started to gather outside of 236 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: this crime scene. That's not something you see all the time. 237 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: I cover a lot of day to day crime. You 238 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: don't always see that Nancy. No, Usually people just keep 239 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: on going. Sylvia Selena's stabbed to death on Halloween at 240 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: the Selena's food store in Galveston. It was just one 241 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: a claw in the one pm hour, we think one twenty. 242 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: Somebody enters the store at one three. The silent alarm 243 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: is triggered. The first officer gets to the scene at 244 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: one seven. Understand the timeline. Just four minutes have passed 245 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: when the cop gets there and he finds Sylvia Selina's 246 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: dead behind the counter. Now we've managed to obtain some 247 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: of the facts. When the police report there were no 248 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: defensive wounds on her foe arms, her hands, or her wrists. 249 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: One stab wound on her chest, and a knife about 250 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: ten inches long was found near her body. And I 251 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: want to get back to that knife, jos got Morgan 252 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: remind me, I want to circle back to the knife. 253 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: The knife is found there on the site, very unusual. 254 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: Beside coins and food stamps. The cash register was empty. Sylvia, 255 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: listen to this. This is another clue. Did not press 256 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: the silent alarm. It went off because the purp took 257 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: money from the register. He probably had to use something, 258 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: maybe that knife, to pry it open and interesting. She 259 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: had a gun and a machete under the counter, she 260 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: never touched them. Did she know the killer? She was 261 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: sitting on her stool behind the counter when she was stabbed. 262 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: What happened? Who murdered this beautiful young woman? 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The killer's footprints, the bloody knife, that very 288 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: very large knife, never seen by the public until now. 289 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: Investigators say the killer bride open the register with the 290 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: murder weapon, then stole all the cash. Selena's didn't fight, 291 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: It appeared very personal, never grabbed the pistol or machete 292 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: she kept close by, which is one detectives things she 293 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: knew and trusted her killer. But nobody really stuck as 294 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: a suspect. We are not letting it go. It's often 295 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: said justice never sleeps. That may very well be true 296 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: in the case of Sylvia's Selenas and her brutal murder 297 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: with me, her brother, Derlas, her niece. Maria BBC thirteen 298 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: investigative reporter who has brought this story to life Courtney Fisher, 299 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: forensics expert Joe Scott Morgan and juvenile judge founder of 300 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. Ashley Wilcott, Drlas I almost 301 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: hate to go into the facts and the evidence with 302 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: you listening. When you hear us talking about the crime scene, 303 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: how how does that affect you? Well, it brings up 304 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: memories of that day. Um. I'm just looking for closure 305 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: for the family, especially for my daughters, because she's real 306 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: close to both my daughters and uh, they spent a 307 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: lifetime together and they need closure. Also. You know Maria, 308 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: Maria Baker with me here was Sylvia's niece. Is that true? 309 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: Were you very close to Sylvia? I was very Um. 310 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: I lived in Galveston until I was seven and moved 311 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: to pere Land with my mom at that time, but 312 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: I would still go down every single weekend, um to 313 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: spend with my grandparents and my aunt, Sylvia, and I 314 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: grew up in that store. I was there every day. Um. 315 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: You know, my aunt was amazing. She spent a lot 316 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: of time with me and it we just want answers 317 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: and we want justice for her. She did not deserve this. 318 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: I think it's very clear that working theory to Joseph 319 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, forensics expert, is that she knew the person 320 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: the perpetrator, either a regular customer or a a personal 321 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: friend or acquaintance because it's off of and said she 322 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: would not let anybody behind the behind the count unless 323 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: she knew that person. Um. It took Derla Sealinas many 324 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: many years to go back since Sealinas was murdered, and 325 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: that takes a toll on crime victims. Joe Scott Morgan, 326 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk about forensics and the new DNA development since 327 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: Sylvia was murdered. For instance, we know there are footprints, 328 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: bloody footprints. It sounds like the O. J. Simpson murder 329 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: scene where Nicole and run were killed and police were 330 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: able to get footprints and new for a fact, they 331 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: matched up to a pair of Bruno Molly's shoes that 332 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: can be identified the make and style problem. Years have 333 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: passed and I doubt those shoes are still in somebody's 334 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: closet or in the possession of the purp like Simpson 335 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: still had the Molly's. But what about the bloody knife. 336 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: That's highly unusual, Joe Scott Morgan for the murder weapon 337 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: to be left right there at the scene. You know. 338 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: One of the things when you first mentioned that, Nancy, 339 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: for me, at least, when you said that it was 340 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: left by the sink. Uh, one of the things that 341 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: kind of shot into my mind was, well, had this 342 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: had this crime been perpetrated and then the individual was 343 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: going to attempt to wash the knife? All? Wait, wait, wait, 344 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was by a sink, I said, 345 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: the scene, is that what, Courtney? Was there a sink? No, 346 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: it was at the scene. It was right there, right 347 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: by the cash register, just a few feet away. It's 348 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: on the video. It's crazy, okay, Joe Scott. That tells 349 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: me a lot. For instance, let's compare it to cases 350 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: everybody's familiar with, like the Robert Blake case. The murder 351 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: weapon is found very close to the dead body because 352 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: the perpetrator could not flee with it, break it down 353 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: and and distribute it in different places, or hide it. 354 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: So what does it mean that the perpetrators, the killer, 355 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: Sylvia's killer, chose to leave it at the scene rather 356 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: than take it and discard it get rid of it. Well, yeah, 357 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking that that potentially this was something that 358 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: was done in a fever. For instance, we've already we 359 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: already know, uh per the report, that the knife may 360 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: have been used to probably open uh probably open to 361 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: cash cash rusher get access to the moneys that we're 362 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: in there. As you stated, the silent alarm was tripped 363 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: at that point in time, and had it when did 364 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: it happen at that point in time? Did the person 365 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: just place the knife down and then rush out because 366 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: they were fearful of being caught. Remember this was done 367 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: in the broad daylight, in the daylight, and uh, we 368 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: know what it says to me, Joe Scott, it says 369 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: to me he did not want First of all, we 370 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: know it's a man. Okay, this type of a statistically, 371 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: this type of a crime is is conducted by a 372 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: mail Why I don't know. That's for the shrinks to 373 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: figure out. But I'm going to with the most likely 374 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: scenario that a man did this. I wonder if the 375 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: whole neighborhood was canvas just who they saw in there. 376 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: There were no surveillance cameras that caught him. So let's 377 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: just say man. Number first question to me to Duralus 378 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: Selena Sylvia's brother, was the knife already in the store 379 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: or did the bring the knife in? I don't recall 380 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: there ever being a knife. I just remember the machete 381 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: she kept under the counter, but I do not remember 382 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 1: that knife that I saw, So that knife most likely 383 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: was brought in um to Courtney Fisher, ABC thirteen investigative reporter. 384 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: Is the knife still in the property collection or is 385 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: it gone? That was obviously my first question, Nancy. The 386 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: VHS tape meant meant they had hope the detective that 387 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: she'd be going to go back to the evidence room 388 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: try and see if that knife was there, didn't have 389 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: forensic evidence that maybe back then couldn't have been picked up. 390 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: They're looking at resubmitting it, and they're looking to see 391 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: if that knife still exists. That's a huge question though, Well, 392 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: I mean, they still don't know if then i've exists. 393 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: She doesn't know if it's in the evidence room or 394 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: it's been destroyed. She has to go back. This is 395 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: her first look at the case. So she found the 396 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: VHS tape in a different area. Okay, who first of all, 397 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: who is she? Who is she the detective on the case, 398 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: the cold case detective. Okay, so I know it sounds 399 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: like a simple thing, but property rooms are stuffed full 400 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: from floor to ceiling and they're usually very big, and 401 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: that is very difficult. Also, if you're going through evidence 402 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: in other cases, you've got to be very careful because 403 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: down the road, when you're trying those cases, somebody will say, hey, 404 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: this has been tampered with. Somebody's been digging through this. 405 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: So you've got to be super careful when you're looking 406 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: for things. But they gotta get on that. Joe Scott, Morgan, 407 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: forensics expert, what can we learn from the knife? I mean, 408 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: what if there are prints on there? What if the 409 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: purps DNA is on there? Because Joe Scott, you know 410 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: when you stab somebody very often, this is so unusual. 411 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: The first time I heard it, I didn't believe it. 412 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: The knife can slip and the perp can get cut 413 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: as well or d N A what about it? Yeah, yeah, 414 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: and you'll have this co mingling of DNA and also 415 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: the co mingland just from a sterological standpoint where you're 416 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: doing blood typing on an individual where you'll have a 417 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: mix of the blood say a B pause, oh pause, 418 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and then you break it down 419 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: further into this idea of um of of d N 420 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: A one thing that that kind of strikes me about 421 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: this case, Nancy. As you well know, sharp force injuries 422 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: generally are manytimes. You'll see things like overkill. They'll be 423 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: very passionate because they're up close and personal. Nancy. This 424 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: is apparently a single stab wound that occurred, and I 425 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: have to admit it was a UM Unfortunately it was 426 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: zeroed in on target. They're saying that this this poor 427 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: woman was actually struck in her heart. Uh. And contrary 428 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: to what people think, UH, this is uh. You're not 429 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: automatically going to die if you're stabbed a single time. 430 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: This seems like that the individual was up close personal 431 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: enough to be able to place this hard, this this 432 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: weapon into her heart specifically. So you're gonna have a 433 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: lot of evidence that that uh, not only goes to 434 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: the physical tie backs. I got another question for you 435 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: about this thought. But about this thought, Astley Wilcott, you've 436 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: tried to Tony cases. The building is still standing, you know, 437 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: if there is blood spatter. If there, I know it 438 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but it's happened before. Do you think there's 439 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: any chance of still getting any evidence, any blood evidence, 440 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: or any other evidence from the scene. So I you know, 441 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm not a forensics expert. But let me tell you this, Nancy, 442 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: this cold case, honestly, to me, has so much potential 443 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: evidence that I believe two things in all cases. Number One, 444 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: what goes around comes around, and I believe in our 445 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: justice system, and so absolutely there's an opportunity with the 446 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: building still standing to see is there any evidence that remains, 447 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: and you've got so many pieces of evidence in this 448 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: The thing that that I really noticed when you talk 449 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: about the videotape is the fact that you can see 450 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: how these people outside of the store, in combination with 451 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: Maria is saying I grew up in the store and 452 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: I you know, we'd see the same faces already. You 453 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: have this pool of people to look back at the 454 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: pictures and who was there, the bill things standing, to 455 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: look at any evidence that survived. This is a good 456 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: cold case to work, so to speak. I'm just jump in, Jaralus, 457 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I do recall when I looked at the 458 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: video and I look, you know, I saw the knife 459 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: on the video. It looks similar to a knife that 460 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: we used to have in the store because we had 461 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: a meat market, the small meat market in the back, 462 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: and I had the bowing knife and the other knife 463 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: that I used to cut the meat up with. And 464 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: I remember when my sister started with us that, you know, 465 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: UH working at the store, that we did keep a 466 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: knife behind the counter at that time because we didn't 467 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: have guns. You know, we didn't have any guns at 468 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: at the store, so we'd have some type of protect 469 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: and UH would keep it a knife similar to that 470 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: behind the counter. But the investigation said there was only 471 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: a partial print left on the knife. So that means 472 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: somebody had to wipe that knife. If it was one 473 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: of our regular knives we kept, there would have been 474 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: prints all over the nights. Interesting. Did you hear that 475 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: the investigator said there was only a partial print left 476 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: on the knife. Did you hear that, Joe Scott a 477 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: partial print? I mean, in this day and age, I 478 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: don't even know for sure if Aphists was up and 479 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: working in its entirety at that time, and even if 480 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: it was, if this particular perp has committed a crime 481 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: since then, I guarantee you he has. Okay, he may 482 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: not have had his fingerprint in apist, but now he may. Yeah, 483 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: because back then, Nancy and I was right in the 484 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: heart of my career at that moment, Tom Uh are 485 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: the aphist was not as sophisticated as it is now. 486 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, I believe that someone that would perpetrate this 487 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: kind of violence. Uh, there's you know, I have no 488 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: doubt that the individual would at least now be in 489 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: the system. One more thing about the knife, if I 490 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: can just address it very briefly, This knife and all 491 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: of the blood related evidence here Nancy, uh that they've collected. Um, 492 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: these are biologics. So if they have not been stored correctly, 493 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: we were talking about surviving the hurricane. I'm from New Orleans. 494 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm aware of what happens in the evidence rooms. They're 495 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: like a living, breathing entity and on a scary and 496 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: a scary way. Um, these things break down very easily. 497 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: So this knife, if it's in there, has to have 498 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: been um really protected, and I'm hoping that it hasn't 499 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: been compromised as far as whatever biological evidence has been 500 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: left behind. Well, if there's a partial print, I mean 501 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: already we have two clues for the new detective in 502 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: the cold case squad to go on the potential blood 503 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: on the knife. The well, there's three. A partial print, 504 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: if it's resubmitted to APHIS could very well get a 505 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: hit now in two thousand eighteen. And not only that 506 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: the footprints in the blood. But the thing is, do 507 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: we have the photo of the footprints and do we 508 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: have the knife? I mean, I've got a lot of 509 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: hope based on that partial print. Take a listen to this. 510 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: About twenty men were interviewed, all of them eliminated as 511 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: the murderer, but fingerprints were found at the scene, and 512 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: Preserve Detective Michelle Sollenberger says now she plans to resubmit 513 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: those prints. Of the family is actually always the driving 514 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: force in these cases to get some sort of closure 515 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: for the family. So I'm hopeful tipline Galveston Crime Stoppers 516 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: four zero nine seven six three eight four seven seven 517 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: repeat four zero nine seven six three eight four seven seven, 518 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: Please hell us solve the mystery surrounding the death of 519 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman, Sylvia Selinas, working at the family 520 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: owned store, a little grocery store seven eleven convenience type 521 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: store in a very quiet and quaint neighborhood, Galveston. Her 522 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: family wants answers and can you blame them with me? 523 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: Courtney Fletcher, ABC thirteen, Joe's Got Morgan, Ashley Wilcott Maria Baker, 524 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: Sylvia's niece, and Dulas Selina's her brother Dulas. Over the 525 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: years since Sylvia was murdered, do you feel that she 526 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: has tried to communicate with you? Yes, I do, in 527 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: a sense, I feel something. I'm not sure what it 528 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: is or what I'm experiencing. It's so hard to describe it. 529 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: It's a feeling within you. It's inside of you that 530 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: like she's pleading for help, Darlis. I know that a 531 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: lot of people would dismiss this, but I really believe 532 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: that family members and those that love someone that's been 533 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: murdered have as in lack of a better term, hunches, 534 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: But in my mind, hunches are ideas that are created 535 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: by the inexplainable, the inexplicable, for instance, something you may 536 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: have seen, heard, felt, observed. What is your best theory 537 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: about what happened to your sister? I feel that there's 538 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: someone that she knew and trusted from the evidence they have. 539 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: Knowing my sister and what she's gone through, you know 540 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: in her life, she's very cautious and you cannot approach 541 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: my my sister that way. Uh, but she'll keep a 542 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: stranger at a distance, even if it's a customer and 543 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: she does not know you, you're not going to get 544 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: close to her. And that's because she had some bad experiences, 545 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: you know, as a young girl. She was unfortunately beaten 546 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: and raped my individual, So she didn't have very much 547 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: trust to men at all. The only people she trusted 548 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: before had to be a real close friend or family 549 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: like her brothers, her grandpa of her I mean her dad, 550 00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: my dad. Uh, there's no ways to get close to her. 551 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: She willn't allow it from what what what what happened 552 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: to her in the past. So I feel it had 553 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: to be an individual that you were really well, because 554 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: my sister would not turn her back to anyone unless 555 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: she felt comfortable with that individual. I listenly feel that 556 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: it's someone she knows and she trusted. There's you know, 557 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: certain things happened the day before, and I think we're 558 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: going to bring it to the a tension of the 559 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: police department. We we found out later, uh, and we 560 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: have a an appointment with them and we're going to 561 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: disclose that to them. Also we didn't know about certain 562 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: things are starting to come out. People are starting to 563 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: say certain things now they're reluctant to say or they 564 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: didn't want to get involved. So we're starting to a 565 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: little bit more information that we didn't know back then 566 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: and maybe just put some light on it. Are you 567 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: afraid to divulge any of that to the listeners? Are 568 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: you saving it? I prefer to say it because I 569 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: don't want to jeopardize investigation beforehand. I preferred the police 570 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: department to know it first. I agree. I agree, Maria Baker. 571 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: What has been your theory? You were so close to 572 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: Sylvia before her murder. I know my aunt personality, and 573 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: she was tough. She we thowt her chase a grown 574 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: man out of our store that had stole a bottle 575 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: of wine, and she chased him down the street, you know, 576 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: punched him in the face, a grown man, and grabbed 577 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: her bottle of wine and told him don't ever steal 578 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: from her. She was a tough, tough woman. She was 579 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: not afraid of a man. She was not afraid of 580 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: a woman. I know where she was positioned in the store, 581 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: and seeing the video, there's no way someone could have 582 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: done it from across the counter. They were behind the 583 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: counter with her, and she did not allow just anyone 584 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: behind the counter with her. It had to have been 585 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: someone she trusted. A a top detective with the Galveston 586 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office, Detective Michelle Solemburger is on the case 587 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: and reviewing it and working at with me Ashley Wilcott 588 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: and Joseph Scott Morgan. Ashley, it's hard as a lawyer 589 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: or detective to put a case back together again, but 590 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: I know because I've had to do it, it can 591 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: be done. And as a matter of fact, Ashley, when 592 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,479 Speaker 1: I did, we try. Let's just say that one case 593 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: I was telling you about. I worked the case so hard. 594 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: I ended up coming up with about seven or eight 595 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: similar transactions where the same perpetrator would attack if at 596 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: that time young males in the midtown Atlanta area, and 597 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: many of them had never been prosecuted. I found victims 598 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: of this guy who murdered an a p d S brother, 599 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: victims of his all over that had moved away from 600 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: the city after this. He had done horrible things to them, 601 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: and I found them, and several of them actually testified 602 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: at the second trial as similar transactions witnesses. So cases 603 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: can be put back together again. It's very difficult, though, 604 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: is that true, Ashley? Oh? I agree completely, um, and 605 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,479 Speaker 1: I see it as a judge that the amount of time, 606 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: the amount of work that detectives, law enforcement prosecutors like 607 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: yourself have to put into it can be very overwhelming. Right, 608 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: It's going to absorb every bit of time that you 609 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 1: have to do it. But in this particular case, there's 610 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: so much good potential evidence. Yes, it's gonna take a 611 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: lot of time, but we have valuable information about this victim. 612 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: And you just said yourself, Nancy, that's how you broke 613 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: a case. You found the victims, you found similar transactions. 614 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: There's so much good information about this victim and the 615 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: fact that she was tough and how she acted, and 616 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: that she likely knew this killer. Put all of that 617 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: together with all of these other clues. It's gonna take 618 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of work, but I think it's 619 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: absolutely invaluable information to solve this cold case. Somebody knows 620 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: what happened to her, you know, it's interesting and listening 621 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: to Maria Baker and Derlas Selinas, I remember um, many 622 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 1: many many years later, I was having a book signing, 623 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: the first book I ever wrote, and I looked up. 624 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people standing there. I look 625 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: in the back of the crowd. There was this beautiful 626 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: blonde lady standing there. I looked at her face, her 627 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: hair was different, but I recognized her. Her name was Katherine, 628 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: and it was in the case I'm telling you about 629 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: the murder victim's fiancee, and they had been on the 630 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: back porch of his condo toasting at sunset because they 631 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: had just gotten engaged, and the prop and his codefendant 632 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: killed him and tried to kill her, and it had 633 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: such a huge effect on her she never remarried. And 634 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 1: I recall during the trial, Ashley, she had been wearing 635 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: shoes um they're called Espa drills. They're very popular at 636 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: that time. And I was so enmeshed in the case 637 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: I drew and she had described to me running from 638 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: the scene, And in my dream, I was running from 639 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: the scene and I looked at and I was wearing 640 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: the Espa drills that she was wearing at the time. 641 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is years have passed since Sylvia was murdered, 642 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 1: but for Derlas and Maria, it's just as alive right 643 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,439 Speaker 1: now as it was then. Ashley, it is, and that's 644 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: you're never going to forget a horrible murder of someone 645 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: who's close to you. And it's like you said, and 646 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan said, every time there's any little reminder trigger, 647 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: it floods back as if it was yesterday. And you're 648 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: never going to forget the person's personality you had for 649 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: them and everything about how you feel. Take a listen 650 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: to this. The Selina's family that over here was grocery 651 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: he is hopeful to bad memories are difficult to move past, 652 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: but the good ones she had one of the biggest 653 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: hearts always win. Christine Taylor never met her great aunt Sylvia. 654 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: I hear lots of stories about her, but when she 655 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: saw our stories digging into unsolved murders, to be honest, 656 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: I figured it was a sign from my aunt Sylvia. 657 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: She called of Salina's isn't forgotten? We got the hope 658 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,919 Speaker 1: that we needed to Courtney Fisher with ABC thirteen, their 659 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Courtney, what now. I think the main thing 660 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: is to keep this case alive. Nancy, you need to 661 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: follow up and stick with the detective and keep on 662 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: them and ask them has the stuff been re submitted? 663 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: You know, someone in the Sheriff's office actually has one 664 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: of the top aphists investigators in the country who worked 665 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: on the Robert Durst case. I've worked with him on 666 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: other cases, and so he's the guy to keep on 667 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: that fingerprint, that partial print, to see if there's a match. Um. 668 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: But I think everybody is very hopeful that this case 669 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: may not be cold for much longer. That to Durlas 670 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: Salinas and Maria Baker. This is Sylvia's brother and Nace, 671 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: who's very close to her. Dulas, When you went back 672 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: to the family store and you looked around all this 673 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: time you've been living in Hawaii, but you come back, 674 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: what did that do to you? And how do you 675 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: feel about the investigation? Now? Well, I was kind of shocked, hurt. 676 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: I felt the pain. Uh, the pain seemed to magnify 677 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: it because I saw the grief and the hurt and 678 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 1: my parents and unfortunately I could feel their pain also 679 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: plus my loss. It was overwhelming. Uh. I think it 680 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: was overwhelming for the whole entire family. Uh. I walked 681 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: in the store after, you know, the body was removed 682 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: and I got back. Uh, I could feel my sister's 683 00:45:51,480 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: presence inside the store, and she was and so calling 684 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: out And I've never been able to filter that out properly. 685 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the feelings that I was feeling 686 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: at the time inside the store and looking at that 687 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 1: area where they found her body. Uh, I'll just still 688 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: feel my sister's presence. But is it like, you know, 689 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: different to mention different world. I can't explain it quite, 690 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: but I could feel her presence and her soul still there. 691 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,240 Speaker 1: To Maria Baker, Maria, do you feel that over this 692 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: time period since Sylvia was murdered, do you feel that 693 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: she has tried to communicate anything to you? I do, Um. 694 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 1: We were very close, and I have gone to the 695 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: police station a few times, um as once I grew up, um, 696 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: and just you know, really never got anywhere. Um. And 697 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, a part of it was maybe being a 698 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: little scared, just because I did feel it was always 699 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: someone that was close to her. And you asked my 700 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: dad earlier about a sign. And that's funny because I'm 701 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: always asking for signs. And last Saturday, I was sitting 702 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: on my couch and you know, I just prayed and 703 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: I asked Sylvia. I said, please give me a sign. 704 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: You know, we should keep pursuing this and not give up. 705 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: And I have this daily app on my phone and 706 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,919 Speaker 1: so I thought, let me just see what the app 707 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: says today, and it says if you doubt you can 708 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: accomplish something, you can't accomplish it. You have to have 709 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: confidence in your ability and then be tough enough to 710 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: follow through. I know that's my aunt talking to me 711 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,359 Speaker 1: because she was tough and she would not give up. 712 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: She wouldn't give up on any of us, and we're 713 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: not going to give up on her. Please help us 714 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: up the Sealina's family solve the mystery surrounding the brutal 715 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: murder of their gorgeous young sister. There Aunt the video 716 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about, the old vh S video that survived 717 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: Hurricane Ike. It's a miracle it made it, but we 718 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: have it. 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