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Speaker 1: Clay Travis buck Sexton. We are joined now by legendary

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say legendary lawyer Alan Dershowitz,

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Speaker 1: who has talked about basically everything under the sun. He

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Speaker 1: is professor and Maritus at Harvard Law School, number one

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Speaker 1: New York Times bestselling author, written fifty books. His latest,

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Speaker 1: The Price of Principle, Why Integrity Is Worth the Consequences,

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Speaker 1: is out now. Would encourage all of you to check

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Speaker 1: it out. Professor Dershowitz, I just want to dive in

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Speaker 1: big question here for you, and I've seen you discuss

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Speaker 1: this a lot on Fox News, But based on everything

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Speaker 1: waiting to see what's going to happen with the affidavit

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Speaker 1: and whether it's going to be released. Did Attorney General

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Speaker 1: Merrit Garland make the right decision to sign the warrant

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Speaker 1: leading to the warrant application that led to the raid

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Speaker 1: at Marlago based on what I now know, he made

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Speaker 1: the categorically wrong decision based on his own principles. He

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Speaker 1: said at the statement that the Justice Department generally prefers

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Speaker 1: less intrusive methods and uses them whenever possible. A subpoena

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Speaker 1: had been issued, they had been negotiations. All the Justice

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Speaker 1: Appartment had to do was enforce the subpoena, go to

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Speaker 1: court and say, your honor, we haven't been able to

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Speaker 1: reach a resolution. There's a subpoena out there, or for

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Speaker 1: them to bring the boxes in tomorrow. Then you go

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Speaker 1: through them and you decide which documents classified declassified privilege.

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Speaker 1: That's the way it should have been done. Now, the

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Speaker 1: the affidavid, when it's released, may show you know that

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Speaker 1: nuclear codes lying around. I don't think so, because if

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Speaker 1: they were, there would have been much greater speed even

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Speaker 1: when they got to search warn't they waited a couple

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Speaker 1: of days before they did it and before they implemented it.

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Speaker 1: Press deersh Witz. Are you of the mind that the

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Speaker 1: I know right now there's the hearing underway on the

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Speaker 1: Moral Lago raid Affidavid? Is your expectation that it will

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Speaker 1: be released? What are the considerations that the court has

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Speaker 1: to make here? And assuming it is released, are what

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Speaker 1: are we looking for? I mean, what are what are

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Speaker 1: at in terms of the next steps. Here's what the

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Speaker 1: judge ought to do. Whether he'll do it or not,

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Speaker 1: If you think there are any things in the affidavit

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Speaker 1: could be an appeal by the media. Remember there's a

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Speaker 1: media that are involved as well as Trump. Look, I

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Speaker 1: have a policy that I've had two years and I

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Speaker 1: write about it in my book The Price of Principle.

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Speaker 1: If you have two sides through a dispute, and one

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Speaker 1: and its being false, starting with the Pentagon paper's case.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Alan Dershowitz. You've been very strong on this,

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Speaker 1: you to expound upon this idea. If what Merrick Garland did,

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Speaker 1: so many dangerous directions on a national perspective? I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: That's why there has to be structural change in the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department. Right now, the Attorney generalized two conflicting jobs.

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Speaker 1: They're totally inconsistent. One job is to help the president

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Speaker 1: one job. The second job is to be completely nonful

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Speaker 1: Now you know, I know Merrick Garland. I supported him

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Speaker 1: Nobody can perform that magic trick on the one hand

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Speaker 1: every other European country breaks up the two jobs. There's

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Speaker 1: And the other job is Director of Public Prosecutions, usually

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Speaker 1: that's the way it should be in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Garland cannot perform this job. No attorney general can, and

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Speaker 1: it's a deep flaw in our system. Speaking to Professor

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Speaker 1: Alan Jerschowitz of Harvard Law Law School, he's got a

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Speaker 1: Worth the Consequence? To go pick up a copy today. Professor,

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Speaker 1: I've spoken some people, including a former Attorney general, who

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Speaker 1: believe that it is likely, not certain, but likely, that

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Speaker 1: strongest possible case for that. Now, you know, people today

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Speaker 1: the single stupidest thing I've ever heard of law professor

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Speaker 1: a different view. But it's Trump derangement syndrome. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: allowed to be unleashed and not charge him. Well, I

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Speaker 1: I'm not apologizing to that, but based on everything we've

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Speaker 1: but there's not enough you're to prosecute. That's what he

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Speaker 1: He's gonna hold Trump accountable. We use the analogy of

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Speaker 1: way I'm saying. I did want to take a moment

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Speaker 1: Minister of Finland, who is once again in the headlods.

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Speaker 1: For those of you and a lot of the ladies

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Speaker 1: this who have been looking at the news today or saying, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of Finland out partying. Apparently, Clay, we

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Speaker 1: are not a puritanical world anymore. I think if a

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Speaker 1: prime minister wants to go out and have a little

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Speaker 1: dance party, if she's like thirty and the prime minister,

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Speaker 1: she should be allowed to. This is I feel like

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister of Finland, who what's her name? Do we know?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't I mean? For she is good looking even for

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Speaker 1: I would say you and I are sna Marina. I

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Speaker 1: would say, you and I are radio show host? Good

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Speaker 1: looking right, Like I'll take there's a lot of there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of dudes who do and women who do radio,

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Speaker 1: if you went into the press box, this was not

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Speaker 1: a really good looking collection of people. Buy in March,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm decent looking for a sports writer.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm decent looking for a radio host. This

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Speaker 1: The second Waynes World movie, there's actually a radio joke

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Speaker 1: Handsome Dan. Yeah, and they have some male model guy

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Speaker 1: walk in and he's actually just just doing they on

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Speaker 1: the radio. And then Handsome Dan walks in and they

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Speaker 1: obviously that he's like a comedian. They make him look pretty.

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Speaker 1: You know, radio is we're generally not known for our

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Speaker 1: abs here. I'm just gonna say it. I will say that.

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Speaker 1: But snamar And she's got she's got a future in politics,

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Speaker 1: probably in Hollywood, Instagram influencer. But there I'm surprised. In

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Speaker 1: Finland they give her isn't this one of these countries

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Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, it's all very free and you know, footlooser.

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Speaker 1: I think for initially it was because she wasn't complying

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Speaker 1: with some COVID policies, right. She was out partying late,

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Speaker 1: and I evidently even in Finland, where everybody's super you know,

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Speaker 1: relaxed and laid back, they were upset that she was saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, this COVID policy doesn't make sense. I want

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Speaker 1: to go out and drink and party. And I think

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Speaker 1: you could say, well, how does the leader of the

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Speaker 1: free world need to be out drinking and partying all

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Speaker 1: the time. That's one of my favorite Trump Trump quotes ever,

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Speaker 1: he said, I don't drink at all. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: if I did drink, you know, which is actually really funny.

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Speaker 1: She's thirty six years old leader of Finland, which is

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Speaker 1: obviously now joining NATO, so that's got that going forward,

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Speaker 1: which is nice. And she's been spotted clubbing in Helsinki

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Speaker 1: with friends early in the morning for hours clay without

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Speaker 1: her official phone, just in case, I don't know, like

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Speaker 1: the Russians invaded or something. I mean, what's the big concern.

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Speaker 1: I think she should be allowed to go out at

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Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning and party a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Finland's small enough where they could find her if they

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Speaker 1: needed to, you know what I mean. I think NATO

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Speaker 1: would find her. And it is interesting that they are

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Speaker 1: joining NATO. Um and uh and yeah, we'll see and

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Speaker 1: probably I'll check my mentions. People'll say, why would you

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Speaker 1: even mention the attractiveness of Finland's prime minister? And I

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Speaker 1: would just say, well, she is good looking. Are we

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Speaker 1: supposed to pretend this is not the story? The reason

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Speaker 1: why people care, I think really about her out partying

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Speaker 1: all the time is because she's good looking. One unspoken

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Speaker 1: one thing that has unspoken in the world of politics

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Speaker 1: in America and all over the world, at least in

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Speaker 1: democratic and free societies. Being a good looking, period is

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Speaker 1: helpful in politics. Being a good looking woman also helpful

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Speaker 1: in politics. Just a fact. It's just the truth. There's

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Speaker 1: all the talk, remember Buck, over the years about privilege.

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Speaker 1: There's obsession. You know, white privilege. You've got, certainly you

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Speaker 1: were here in page. Is a whole other level of privilege.

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Speaker 1: Highest privilege out there. I think it's hot privilege number one.

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Speaker 1: I think athlete privilege is number two. Because athletes can

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Speaker 1: basically get away with anything if they're good enough at

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Speaker 1: their sport. Really good looking people can get away with

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Speaker 1: them and they don't even realize how much they're they're

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Speaker 1: getting away with. And I think it's hot privilege one,

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Speaker 1: then athlete privilege, and then we can argue about how

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Speaker 1: the ascendency goes from there. So you're up on the

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Speaker 1: politics of Finland right now, folks, which I know is

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Speaker 1: very Again, I think a lot of the ladies listener

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Speaker 1: are like, why are they're wasting her time with this?

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Speaker 1: But for a lot of the gentlemen listening, prickly, the

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Speaker 1: single ones in their thirties and forties, et cetera, they're

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Speaker 1: saying Prime Minister of Finland. Respect. So there's that going

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Speaker 1: on for us, which is nice, Clay, I gotta say.

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Speaker 1: I also think that they're you know, they're bringing back

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Speaker 1: another random story. You see this. This is like a

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Speaker 1: DNA and stem cell therapy. I think, to bring back

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Speaker 1: to Tasmanian tigers. Yeah, I saw this. Now I want

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Speaker 1: to Tasmanian tiger as a pet. This is the problem.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens this is I think gonna be

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Speaker 1: really intriguing because they've been talking about trying to bring

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Speaker 1: back the wooly mammoth. If you remember a little big

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Speaker 1: for my apartment, I'm just gonna throw out there, but

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Speaker 1: still cool. They keep finding old wooly mammoths and they

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Speaker 1: think using existing elephant DNA, they can reconstitute it. I

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Speaker 1: just hope Fauci's not in charge. Every time we talk

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Speaker 1: I hope Fauci is not involved in the saber tooth

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Speaker 1: tiger Tasmanian devil in the wooly mammoth, because we're all

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Speaker 1: gonna end up dead if Fauci's in charge of bringing

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Speaker 1: back any of these violent past predators. I can see

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Speaker 1: the press confidence right now. Saber tooth tigers were here first.

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Speaker 1: A few of your neighbors may be consumed partially. They

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Speaker 1: may have all of their flesh stripped from their bones

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Speaker 1: if they're in a congregate setting by the saber tooth

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Speaker 1: tiger congregate setting animated. But the wooly mammoth, I will say,

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Speaker 1: So we've got so much going on, friend to talk

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Speaker 1: about Tomorrow. We'll be here with you again in Salt

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Speaker 1: Lake City. So thanks for rolling with us. Maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: those are what is the Tasmanian tiger when ex thing?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it kind of like the saber tooth tiger? Yes,

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Speaker 1: the same idea. So in Jurassic Park they used mosquito

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