WEBVTT - 10/06/21 DPS Best Of

0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.600
<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio. John Smoltz joining us John part of the

0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Fox Sports one broadcast Red Sox raise for Game one

0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and Game two that starts tomorrow night, followed by MLB

0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Network's exclusive broadcast of Game three on Sunday at four Eastern.

0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.840
<v Speaker 1>We were just talking about stadiums. John. If I said

0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:28.040
<v Speaker 1>best stadium to pitch in, what would you say today?

0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Best stadium? I mean, the old Astro Stadium just doesn't

0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.360
<v Speaker 1>get any better than that. I mean, throw fastball, see

0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.200
<v Speaker 1>if they could hit it out of the stadium. There's

0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.199
<v Speaker 1>not many of those anymore unless Wrigley's blowing in, So

0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I would say if the wind's blowing in Wrigley. But

0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.440
<v Speaker 1>in the stadiums today, I mean, Dodger Stadium's pretty fair.

0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.120
<v Speaker 1>You know. I'm not this marine layer thing that's been

0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.120
<v Speaker 1>talked about whether it's gone or there. Ball travels that

0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't travel at night, travels during the day. But Dodger

0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.600
<v Speaker 1>stadiums a pretty fair place to to pitch when the

0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.920
<v Speaker 1>thick marine error is at night. What's the worst stadium

0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.559
<v Speaker 1>to pitch in? Oh my goodness, there's more of those

0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.880
<v Speaker 1>than there's ever been it's like, you know, Camden Yards

0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.320
<v Speaker 1>is a great place to hit. A small American ballpark

0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.600
<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati. I call it small American ballpark because it's

0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.000
<v Speaker 1>very tiny. The Central seems to be one of the

0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.640
<v Speaker 1>worst places to pitch when it comes to the teams.

0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.840
<v Speaker 1>And of course Colorado's not fun at all when you

0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.560
<v Speaker 1>think about a visitor in Colorado. Great place to watch

0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.800
<v Speaker 1>a game, not a great place to pitch if you're

0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.200
<v Speaker 1>a pitcher. What about San Francisco and that feels like

0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.240
<v Speaker 1>it there's parts of it that's a good pitchers ballpark. Yeah,

0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the new stadium is fantastic as far as the weather.

0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, the weather at old Candlestick could have been

0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.400
<v Speaker 1>you start at seventy and you finish at forty. It

0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.040
<v Speaker 1>seemed like when the layer would come in over that.

0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who thought putting a stadium right behind

0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.200
<v Speaker 1>that rock was a good idea, but I wasn't. I'm

0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.720
<v Speaker 1>a fan of the new stadium in San Francisco. Very fair.

0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:05.920
<v Speaker 1>If you hit it down the lines, you can go.

0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:11.080
<v Speaker 1>So they've they've maximized what I thought was the impossible,

0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.160
<v Speaker 1>in the fact that they hit so many home runs.

0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think that was part of the I mean,

0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.440
<v Speaker 1>this has been the most amazing year of storylines, of

0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.680
<v Speaker 1>predictions that you never thought would happen. They're leaving the

0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:28.799
<v Speaker 1>case for the most unpredictable success story. How does it happen?

0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what? I'd like to say, this is not

0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.840
<v Speaker 1>a formula for success long term. Year to year. They

0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.680
<v Speaker 1>have made every right decision. They've had every right player

0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.960
<v Speaker 1>in the right spot, give their organization, managerial all their strategy.

0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that that can continue year to year.

0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.320
<v Speaker 1>You can't keep plugging in those kind of things. But

0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I will say this, they're older guys that which I'm

0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.240
<v Speaker 1>a fan of because you know, analytics as you're old,

0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.840
<v Speaker 1>so you can't play at thirty. They've had a little

0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.440
<v Speaker 1>chip on their shoulder, they've been healthy and they have

0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.400
<v Speaker 1>delivered big time. So that has been a kind of

0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.320
<v Speaker 1>like an organization filled with players that you see there

0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.960
<v Speaker 1>longer than most and it's paying off. They won a

0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.799
<v Speaker 1>few championships this year. I'll be the first to tell

0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you I got on the beginning of the year, no chance.

0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.000
<v Speaker 1>They weren't even in the discussion. And that's why I

0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.600
<v Speaker 1>said it's the most remarkable year I can ever remember.

0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.320
<v Speaker 1>From a team that maybe should have won seventy five

0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.160
<v Speaker 1>to eighty games, won one hundred and six or seven.

0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.200
<v Speaker 1>That to me is a great credit to their organization.

0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Are you all on board with the playoff format, the

0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.440
<v Speaker 1>one game playoffs? No, No, I never have been. I

0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:41.080
<v Speaker 1>can say that consistently. I understand why it was put

0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.720
<v Speaker 1>in place. Ironically, it was probably put in place because

0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:48.640
<v Speaker 1>of the nineteen ninety three Giants and Braves race to

0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the Pennant and we wanted on the last day and

0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.720
<v Speaker 1>the Giants had one hundred and three wins and didn't

0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.640
<v Speaker 1>make the playoffs. There comes the one game playoff to

0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.880
<v Speaker 1>try to secure a team like that situation now fast

0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.600
<v Speaker 1>for this year. If both these teams end up not

0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.480
<v Speaker 1>moving on, you're going to see a change. I believe

0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:11.040
<v Speaker 1>in the playoff format because it's hard to imagine that

0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.240
<v Speaker 1>you would have one hundred and five win team, which

0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.760
<v Speaker 1>easily could lose to the Saint Louis Cardinals not move on,

0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and our whole season is based on the most wins.

0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I think, if anything, Dan, I would tweak if they

0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.000
<v Speaker 1>don't want to make a whole sale change, I would

0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.919
<v Speaker 1>tweak a scenario where you have tonight the Cardinals should

0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.919
<v Speaker 1>have to beat the Dodgers twice, right, I mean, the

0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Dodgers won one hundred and some games. The Cardinals did

0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.240
<v Speaker 1>a great job down to stretch, but the team with

0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.720
<v Speaker 1>the best record in the Wild Cards should at least

0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.960
<v Speaker 1>have an advantage to where they only have to win

0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.680
<v Speaker 1>once and the second team has to win twice. Personally,

0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see playoffs always have a two out

0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.360
<v Speaker 1>of three no matter what scenario you set out. It

0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.680
<v Speaker 1>needs to be a series. You need to have a

0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.400
<v Speaker 1>fighting chance, and I think we need to start rewarding

0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the teams who have the best record them a buy

0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.239
<v Speaker 1>so that when they play a team that's already played

0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.799
<v Speaker 1>two out of three, there's your incentive for the team

0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.680
<v Speaker 1>that's won all those games. Otherwise, you know, it is

0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.479
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more random. Let me look at last

0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.960
<v Speaker 1>night's game. Aaron Boone takes out Garrett Cole, and I

0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you run the risk of embarrassing your pitcher,

0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.880
<v Speaker 1>your three hundred million dollars pitcher in a situation like that.

0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I applaud Aaron Boone for doing it because

0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it was the right call, But man, that's

0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.880
<v Speaker 1>difficult for a guy who's probably got his job on

0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.200
<v Speaker 1>the line, and you're going out there and taking the

0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.479
<v Speaker 1>ball from your starting pitcher. What did you think of

0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.520
<v Speaker 1>that move at the time. Well, let's just say Garrett Cole.

0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.919
<v Speaker 1>The last three outings haven't been Garrett Cole, and I

0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.320
<v Speaker 1>know he had the hamstring injury, and there's probably something

0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.560
<v Speaker 1>to do with that, because when Garrett Cole doesn't look

0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.200
<v Speaker 1>like Gret Cole, you throw everything out the window because

0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.119
<v Speaker 1>it's that one game scenario that you needed a great

0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.280
<v Speaker 1>performance and it just didn't look like he was on

0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the top of his game. You don't have the time

0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.760
<v Speaker 1>and luxury as a manager to factor in all that.

0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.480
<v Speaker 1>So I thought it was a really good move to

0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.640
<v Speaker 1>just at least give them, and it worked out because

0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.880
<v Speaker 1>they got out of an impossible situation. Homes did a

0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.799
<v Speaker 1>great job. So those one game playoffs or another reason

0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.279
<v Speaker 1>why I don't like it, they're manager killers. You basically

0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.200
<v Speaker 1>don't have the luxury of a lot of things because

0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the panic and stress on that game doesn't leave you

0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.479
<v Speaker 1>any room for air. And the Yankees aren't good enough

0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to hate anymore. Right, one World Series in seventeen years.

0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.880
<v Speaker 1>That's a good point because you know, the stress on

0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers and the Yankees was the highest it's ever been.

0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.240
<v Speaker 1>The Dodgers won the World Series last year, they hadn't

0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.600
<v Speaker 1>won in thirty some years, those two iconic organizations. There's

0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.200
<v Speaker 1>so much pressure on the Yankees right now and certainly

0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.840
<v Speaker 1>that organization for what they built. But you're right, this

0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.760
<v Speaker 1>year just was a roller coaster year. They've been through everything.

0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Their offense was hot and cold, and I think that's

0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.520
<v Speaker 1>not a good formula for a deep run. I mean,

0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.680
<v Speaker 1>they're certainly going to be right back next year and

0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.440
<v Speaker 1>could be the favorites. Who knows what the off season brings,

0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.920
<v Speaker 1>but this year was the streakiest, most unpredictable baseball season

0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen. You're talking about teams losing records on

0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the road, and then you're talking about home teams, teams

0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.640
<v Speaker 1>that have won games over ten in a row multiple times.

0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's a crazy year. It's one of those that

0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people were waiting to see,

0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.120
<v Speaker 1>after the COVID year of the short season, how it

0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.360
<v Speaker 1>was going to play out. He's John Smoltz, the Hall

0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of Famer, and he'll be part of Fox Sports ones

0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:35.240
<v Speaker 1>broadcast Red Sox at the Rays game one and also

0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.560
<v Speaker 1>game two that starts tomorrow night. I look at the

0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Dodgers situation where you've been great all year long, but

0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.360
<v Speaker 1>then you run into one of the hottest teams that

0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:50.600
<v Speaker 1>we've seen in recent memory. How do you handicap this

0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.920
<v Speaker 1>game with these two Well, the beautiful thing for both

0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.920
<v Speaker 1>teams they have the pitcher they want on the mound.

0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you get into these games you don't have the

0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.560
<v Speaker 1>luxury the Dodgers almost forced to play that. It would

0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.360
<v Speaker 1>have been interesting to see how the Dodgers played the

0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:07.240
<v Speaker 1>one game playoffs to determine a division championship had they

0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.720
<v Speaker 1>been in that spot. So I think there's some relief

0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.320
<v Speaker 1>in that regard where they can put everything towards this

0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.440
<v Speaker 1>one game. But it's a high stress and kind of

0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.680
<v Speaker 1>flip with a coin. Adam Wainwright the veteran, of course,

0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.480
<v Speaker 1>my former teammate. Both pitchers know how to pitch in

0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.960
<v Speaker 1>big moments, so that won't be unnerving. It's going to

0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.240
<v Speaker 1>come down to who can, kind of like last night's game,

0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.400
<v Speaker 1>who can score first and create pressure on the manager.

0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't help but notice, and maybe there's nothing to it.

0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.880
<v Speaker 1>When Kershaw was pulled from his last start. He kept

0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.240
<v Speaker 1>the ball. He walked off the mound with the ball.

0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.719
<v Speaker 1>I know he doesn't need Tommy John surgery. He's been

0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.600
<v Speaker 1>through an awful lot. Do you think there was anything

0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.800
<v Speaker 1>too that that Kershaw kept the ball when he walked

0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.360
<v Speaker 1>off the field. You know, until you mentioned it, probably

0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.079
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have thought twice about it. But having the kind

0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.640
<v Speaker 1>of career he's had and where he's at his career,

0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.959
<v Speaker 1>I know this year there was a lot of talk

0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.480
<v Speaker 1>possibly of could he be headed for Tommy John. You

0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.079
<v Speaker 1>know you're talking about Kershaw and Burlander two. I consider

0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.600
<v Speaker 1>surefire Hall of famers that have some life left in

0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.280
<v Speaker 1>their game and probably don't need anything more to get there.

0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.120
<v Speaker 1>But I know Verlander coming back from Tommy John as

0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.880
<v Speaker 1>an older guy, he wants to win a lot more games,

0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and I would think Kershaw is similar. But winning the

0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.240
<v Speaker 1>World Series maybe takes a lot of less stress off

0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.760
<v Speaker 1>of him from having to prove to people so many

0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.720
<v Speaker 1>much more. But it's a great question. I didn't even

0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.920
<v Speaker 1>think about it because you don't ever take a ball

0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.640
<v Speaker 1>off the mound as the season ends. Yeah, you don't,

0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.360
<v Speaker 1>like you have to hand it to the manager when

0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:45.400
<v Speaker 1>he comes out that that's part of the ceremony there. Yeah,

0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.840
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting, interesting thing to follow us. I'm sure

0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.480
<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers are monitoring that very closely. Yeah, and he's

0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.600
<v Speaker 1>going to miss the postseason because he's got that forearm

0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.000
<v Speaker 1>elbow injury like it. I don't know exactly what that is.

0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:03.720
<v Speaker 1>It more elbow than more arm. John. You know, typically

0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.440
<v Speaker 1>in a picture, the opposite's work or the top of

0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the arm is going to be you're concerning here. If

0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.079
<v Speaker 1>it's the bottom side, you're not as concerned. But four

0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.600
<v Speaker 1>arms never a great issue to have unless it truly

0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:21.480
<v Speaker 1>is not connected to the elbow, which is hard to

0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.960
<v Speaker 1>imagine that they wouldn't. A lot of four arm injuries

0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.959
<v Speaker 1>usually turn into what people talk about as a precursor

0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to Tommy John, but not necessarily in his case, it

0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:34.199
<v Speaker 1>could be something different. Before you go, introduce America again

0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:40.320
<v Speaker 1>to the Tampa Bay Rays, I just don't get it.

0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Like I really am in awe of what they've been

0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.800
<v Speaker 1>able to do. I will spend all day Thursday getting

0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.720
<v Speaker 1>introduced to the Tampa Bay Rays because I'll be doing

0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.720
<v Speaker 1>a deep dive into their rotation, which is almost brand new.

0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Their bullpen Is as interchangeable parts. Their offense seems to

0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:03.520
<v Speaker 1>just slug wander franco Is at their real deal because

0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.080
<v Speaker 1>when everyone was wanting him up in the beginning of

0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the year and they delayed his clock for obvious reasons.

0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.520
<v Speaker 1>But they're going to start two rookies that you rarely

0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.280
<v Speaker 1>see from a team that almost won the World Series,

0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.160
<v Speaker 1>that left two of their stud starters to go somewhere else.

0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:25.280
<v Speaker 1>The Rays are an amazing organization that quite frankly, a

0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of people stop trying to figure out and they

0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.559
<v Speaker 1>just go with it. And when they push a button,

0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you know it might be the right button. Of course,

0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.800
<v Speaker 1>last year the button that was pushed in Game six

0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.000
<v Speaker 1>build their formula of while they went about their business.

0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.160
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people you would wonder what would

0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.360
<v Speaker 1>have happened if they left him Blake Snell. They don't

0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.120
<v Speaker 1>even think about it. They turned the page because they

0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.800
<v Speaker 1>are on a quest to prove everybody wrong. Oh, it's

0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.120
<v Speaker 1>great to catch up with you, John, have fun with

0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.839
<v Speaker 1>the Red Sox and the Rays. Thank you, Bunn, looking

0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.600
<v Speaker 1>forward to Thanks. That's John Smoltz, all of Famer MLB

0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Network Analyst. Be on Fox Analyst. Be sure to catch

0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at

0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.600
<v Speaker 1>nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:15.079
<v Speaker 1>and the iHeartRadio WAPP bringing Chris Mannix. Here, we got

0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of NBA stuff happening, but it's happening off

0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the floor. Here. Let me start with the nets with

0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Kyrie Irving, and let's assume that he continues this stance,

0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.640
<v Speaker 1>he's not getting vaccinated. What's going to happen here? Is

0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:35.000
<v Speaker 1>he tradeable? Chris? He is largely untradeable. I would say

0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody is completely untradeable, but the teams

0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I talked to around the league about Kyrie's trade value

0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.920
<v Speaker 1>are essentially operating under the assumption that if you trade

0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.040
<v Speaker 1>for him, there's a decent chance he'll just retire and

0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.320
<v Speaker 1>decide doesn't want to play anymore as a player. There

0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.480
<v Speaker 1>are lots of teams that would love to get their

0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:02.040
<v Speaker 1>hands on him. He has a relatively reasonable contract with

0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.040
<v Speaker 1>only one year left on it. He can opt out

0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.160
<v Speaker 1>after next season. But the off the court stuff and

0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the uncertainty surrounding what he wants that makes it him

0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.199
<v Speaker 1>very very difficult to trade. What is this costing him

0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.319
<v Speaker 1>financially or what could it cost him. Well, my understanding

0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:28.160
<v Speaker 1>is that I don't know what, if anything, the nets

0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:32.120
<v Speaker 1>are ginging him for missed practices this week. I don't

0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.079
<v Speaker 1>know if they're doing anything. You know, they don't have

0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.800
<v Speaker 1>He's not breaking their rule. He's breaking the city ordinance

0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.840
<v Speaker 1>or the executive order, whatever you want to call it.

0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.680
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if they're ginging him anything. But

0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.480
<v Speaker 1>my understanding is that if he misses I believe it's

0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Friday's preseason game in Brooklyn, it's around three hundred and

0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.640
<v Speaker 1>eighty thousand dollars and will be three hundred and eighty

0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars every time he miss the game. And the

0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:03.920
<v Speaker 1>NBA has been very clear players miss games because of

0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.280
<v Speaker 1>these city ordinances, Uh, they are going to get fined.

0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.840
<v Speaker 1>They will not be paid, you know, effectively game checks

0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.840
<v Speaker 1>as a result of it. That is, in his own words,

0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:18.000
<v Speaker 1>exactly why Andrew Wiggins decided to get vaccinated this week.

0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.760
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to lose all that money. So if

0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Kyrie decided to sit out, the big ding comes when

0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.360
<v Speaker 1>that first game happens on Friday, and if he can't

0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.600
<v Speaker 1>play these home games, he also can't play. Although it'd

0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.120
<v Speaker 1>be one trip to San Francisco, he can't play. He's

0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.160
<v Speaker 1>not going to play in the games against the Knicks

0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:41.600
<v Speaker 1>because that would have the same ordinance. Uh yeah, play,

0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.280
<v Speaker 1>It's not it's not applicable. I don't think in San Francisco.

0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I think there's an exemption for road players coming in

0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.920
<v Speaker 1>so that that game, I believe he could play him,

0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:55.520
<v Speaker 1>but he could not play in Madison Square Garden under

0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.480
<v Speaker 1>these these carent rules. It's look the NETS they have

0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:04.200
<v Speaker 1>been just hoping. I think it's basically crossing their fingers

0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that Kyrie would come around to the vaccine. That's why

0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.720
<v Speaker 1>they have done everything possible, going back to Sean Marks's

0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:17.160
<v Speaker 1>media availability about three weeks ago, to diffuse this situation.

0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.320
<v Speaker 1>They have been hoping that the threat of losing money,

0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.880
<v Speaker 1>which is not the NETS saying will take away money.

0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.960
<v Speaker 1>It's the NBA and the city and the presence of

0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Durant, his close friend James Harden, a fellow superstar,

0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.360
<v Speaker 1>would convince Kyrie to get the vaccine. To this point,

0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.640
<v Speaker 1>and I've checked in when NETS people almost every day

0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to get a grasp on as to this point,

0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.240
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't happened. And as ESPN reported last night, and

0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.320
<v Speaker 1>they're right. The optimism is kind of waning here that

0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Kyrie is going to get vaccinated by Friday, and that

0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.520
<v Speaker 1>puts the Nets in a hole, in a very weird

0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:01.120
<v Speaker 1>situation because not only Dan can ky not playing these games,

0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.600
<v Speaker 1>he clearly can't practice. And Steve Nash said yesterday he

0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.240
<v Speaker 1>has no intention of like moving the NETS practices back

0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to Jersey or wherever they used to practice in near

0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the Meadowlands. They have a state of the art facility

0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.400
<v Speaker 1>in Brooklyn built for a few years ago. They're not

0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.760
<v Speaker 1>doing that for Kyrie Irving. So this presents, really, I mean,

0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.280
<v Speaker 1>we use kind of phrases like this a lot, but

0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:25.640
<v Speaker 1>an unprecedented situation evolving between Kyrie Irving and the Nets. Look,

0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.000
<v Speaker 1>if he feels this strongly about it and doesn't want

0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.640
<v Speaker 1>to play, and you know he's going to retire and

0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.760
<v Speaker 1>he wants to sit out the season, then fine, I

0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.760
<v Speaker 1>mean I understand it. If he feels strongly about it.

0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.240
<v Speaker 1>I just don't want this to be a yeah, notice

0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.840
<v Speaker 1>me and I'm quirky, I'm interesting, and hey, all right,

0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get the vaccine. And it feels like

0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.240
<v Speaker 1>that's where we're headed with Kyrie as far as Ben Simmons.

0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Ben is just sitting there, has his trade demand, and

0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.160
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden he looks up and he goes,

0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.600
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, I'm losing how much money? What kind

0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.840
<v Speaker 1>of reaction is going on around the league with Ben Simmons. Well,

0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the question team executives to say to me isn't it

0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:11.040
<v Speaker 1>isn't the Sixers resolve they're wondering about right now because

0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the Sixers have not moved off their position that to

0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.800
<v Speaker 1>obtain Ben Simmons, you've got to give up a lot.

0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.399
<v Speaker 1>You've got to give us either a player the equivalent

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.360
<v Speaker 1>of Ben Simmons or multiple players that would add up

0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.720
<v Speaker 1>to the value of Ben Simmons. That has not changed

0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.879
<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of weeks. As this, you know,

0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the sit out by Ben Simmons has happened, and the

0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Sixers position, and I get it is that there's a

0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of volatility at the top of the NBA right now.

0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we don't know how Portland's season is going

0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.439
<v Speaker 1>to start, and what the Blazer's mindset might be in

0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:52.240
<v Speaker 1>December about Damian Lillard and or CJ. McCollum. We also

0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.720
<v Speaker 1>don't know if the Wizards come out of the gate slow.

0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.399
<v Speaker 1>With Bradby Beale able to opt out at the end

0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 1>of the season, will they decide now at the time

0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.159
<v Speaker 1>to deal deal So it doesn't make any sense for

0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia to deal Simmons right now. The Simmons side, though,

0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:12.520
<v Speaker 1>like they've been told expressly that these checks, they ain't

0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.040
<v Speaker 1>getting that money back, Like that's not something like a

0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.439
<v Speaker 1>team that trades for him can backpay him. This is gone.

0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Like the money he lost in that Toronto game on

0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Monday three and to sixty thousand dollars, that's gone. I

0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:25.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the Sixers have been dinging him every

0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.320
<v Speaker 1>single day, but that's gone. That's why the Sixers did

0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.760
<v Speaker 1>a pretty shrewd thing when they put that money into escrow.

0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean I kind of described it in the column

0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.720
<v Speaker 1>that it was basically a piggy bank that they could

0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.640
<v Speaker 1>dig into whenever they wanted to and up until about

0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.320
<v Speaker 1>eight point two to five million dollars. And that's what

0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.399
<v Speaker 1>they're going to do over the next month or so.

0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.080
<v Speaker 1>If Ben Simmons sits out till mid November, he'll lose

0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.680
<v Speaker 1>like seven and a half million dollars out of that money.

0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.840
<v Speaker 1>So I think the question that comes up I know

0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the question that comes up amongst people around the league

0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.119
<v Speaker 1>is just how resolved is Ben Simmons to lose that

0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of money. You can say, well, he made fifty

0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.560
<v Speaker 1>seven million dollars in his career on court. Why he

0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.320
<v Speaker 1>made more off the court doesn't matter. Like, that's millions

0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.239
<v Speaker 1>of dollars that is gone, and I think people are

0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.040
<v Speaker 1>wondering just how long Simmons will be okay with that.

0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I still don't understand this. Ben Simmons plays poorly. He's

0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.640
<v Speaker 1>mad that people expect him to play great since he's

0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.160
<v Speaker 1>one of the top end players. We keep hearing he's

0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.760
<v Speaker 1>an All Star and he's a defensive Player of the Year,

0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.560
<v Speaker 1>all of these great things, and then he gets sensitive

0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.040
<v Speaker 1>and he wants to be traded. So what am I

0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.880
<v Speaker 1>missing here with Ben? Like? Are there bad people here

0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.760
<v Speaker 1>on the other side with Ben? And I know Joe

0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.919
<v Speaker 1>l Embiid and Doc Rivers said what they said, but

0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.640
<v Speaker 1>all right, maybe they were being an honest, tough thing

0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.679
<v Speaker 1>to hear. But you know, when why doesn't Ben Simmons

0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.720
<v Speaker 1>put on his big boy pants and say, you know

0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.440
<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna show you guys. I'm gonna I'm gonna

0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.120
<v Speaker 1>earn your trust again instead of saying I want out

0:19:55.280 --> 0:20:00.760
<v Speaker 1>trade me. Well Simmons position is that the Sixers don't

0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 1>want him back because they want to continue building on

0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the Ben Simmons dwell mb to buyas Harris group. They

0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.680
<v Speaker 1>want him back to see him play well over a

0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.399
<v Speaker 1>couple of months, get his trade value back up, and

0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.159
<v Speaker 1>then deal him away. Ben Simmons just isn't down with that.

0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:20.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, all that being said, he's still getting paid. Like,

0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.160
<v Speaker 1>this is your job. You signed this contract. You didn't

0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.600
<v Speaker 1>have to sign a long term deal with Philadelphia a

0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.440
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. You chose to, and because of that,

0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.040
<v Speaker 1>you have to show up regardless of what the seventy

0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Sixers ultimately want to do with you. And I agree

0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.240
<v Speaker 1>with you that you know this is not like Philadelphia

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.040
<v Speaker 1>committed some kind of cardinal sin against him. Doc Rivers

0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.880
<v Speaker 1>said something he most certainly regrets right now. Dwell emb

0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:46.840
<v Speaker 1>just said anything and some of the stuff that comes

0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:50.520
<v Speaker 1>out of his mouth is definitely critical of Ben Simmons,

0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.200
<v Speaker 1>But who cares. I mean, if that's the worst thing

0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the seventy Sixers have done to you, lots of other

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.920
<v Speaker 1>players have experienced a lot worse, including Joel embiid earthly

0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.240
<v Speaker 1>during the process. So I mean Simmons doesn't want to

0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>come back because he thinks that if he plays well

0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.920
<v Speaker 1>by mid December or February at the latest, he's gone.

0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's the price of signing that contract and being

0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.679
<v Speaker 1>paid like a max player. All Right, you're yearly Laker

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 1>prediction titles. This gets clipped and I wind up. This

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, it's like the low hanging fruit

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.400
<v Speaker 1>to pick against the Lakers this year because I don't

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.720
<v Speaker 1>know how it works, and a lot of people, most

0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of the people I talked to around the league don't

0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.600
<v Speaker 1>really know how it works. I mean, the Lakers, assuming

0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Davis buys into playing center, they could be really good.

0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean Davis at the five, Lebron at the four

0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.480
<v Speaker 1>two shooters around Westbrook. I can see how that works.

0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I could also see how Westbrook's presence makes them an

0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.240
<v Speaker 1>elite regular season team because Westbrook has proven he can

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.439
<v Speaker 1>win regular season games basically on his own, so you

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 1>can wrest Lebron rest ad if injuries come up, you've

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 1>got a player that can win games. But when you

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:10.240
<v Speaker 1>get into the playoffs, Westbrook is a career thirty percent

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.560
<v Speaker 1>three point shooter, like he said, thirty one percent last season.

0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.400
<v Speaker 1>You can't really get around that. And he's been at

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.879
<v Speaker 1>his best when he has the ball in his hands

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.800
<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs. You want the ball in Lebron James's hands,

0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>you want the ball at times in Anthony Davis's hands.

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.880
<v Speaker 1>You don't want the ball in Russell Westbrook's hands because

0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.320
<v Speaker 1>that not since the Day's of Oklahoma City has that

0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.440
<v Speaker 1>proven to be an effective strategy in the postseason. So

0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 1>there are lots of reasons to bet against the Lakers

0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 1>this year. Okay, so that's the quote, We're gonna pull

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:45.320
<v Speaker 1>no Lakers in the finals. I'm going with Lakers in

0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the finals. If he said we're wrong, everybody else is

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.080
<v Speaker 1>wrong too. Like I just I've eaten that that Lakers

0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna miss the playoffs quote video for like four with

0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the three years now, like every time it comes up,

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 1>it'll come up. So I'm gonna clip it today, Like

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.520
<v Speaker 1>why would you ask Chris Max about the Lakers. Here's

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.880
<v Speaker 1>what he said, and like that comes up every single

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 1>year when the discussion turns to the Lakers. Here's one

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 1>of our favorites from Chris mannox. I think, first of all,

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Spanish stack. I mean they're a team, was you know, yeah,

0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.680
<v Speaker 1>shout out Pacosol on a great career. Hall of Fame

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.159
<v Speaker 1>is next, based largely on your career with the Spanish

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 1>national team. All right, here's one more Blazers sixers in

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 1>the final. Okay, that's unedited. I reject the idea that

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 1>we just randomly pulled quotes from Mannix and then we

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 1>played momentously great offense in that. Yes, mclough was that

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:36.359
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen seventy second year? Yeah, when Bill Walton was there,

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.919
<v Speaker 1>they faced doctor Jay. That's a great call call there

0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 1>have to. Wasn't there like a preamble to that Blazers sixers? Uh? Now,

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you like asked me, like a bold prediction of some

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 1>kind that maybe maybe not who knows? Who knows? Okay, yeah,

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.480
<v Speaker 1>all right, yeah, yeah, thank you, Chris, you got it.

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>D that's the great Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated NBA Senior writer.

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.479
<v Speaker 1>Fox Sports Radio has the best talk lineup in the nation.

0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Catch all of our shows at foxsports radio dot com. Hey,

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.920
<v Speaker 1>my podcast Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 1>typical sportspod, pushing the same tired narratives down your throat

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 1>big at the sports book, and all the best guests.

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.679
<v Speaker 1>Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight Fire with

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:40.359
<v Speaker 1>you get your podcasts. Spend a lot of time talking

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 1>about urban Meyer today in his future. Michael Silver, host

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:48.959
<v Speaker 1>of Pass It Down podcast, Washington Football Team contributor formerly

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the Sports Illustrated Yahoo the NFL Network, had some quotes

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>yesterday from the Jacksonville locker room, including one that said

0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:02.919
<v Speaker 1>that we looked at him, Urban Meyer, and basically wtf

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Right when he left, everyone started dying, laughing, and he

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>knew it. Michael Silver joins us now walk me through

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 1>yesterday meanings players like statement from the owner Urban Houses

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:23.119
<v Speaker 1>weekly radio show, where are we with the Jags and

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Urban Meyer? Well, Dan, this got off to a really

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:33.159
<v Speaker 1>poor start, especially earlier this season, with the players, and

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 1>so the latest scandal or fiasco or whatever you want

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to call it, has just exacerbated that but a lot

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of players in that locker room felt that he came

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:46.400
<v Speaker 1>in acting like he knew everything, kind of denigrating them,

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 1>denigrating other coaches, denigrating the NFL in general. And so

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 1>when one player told me yesterday he didn't have a

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of credibility to begin with, that's what was being

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>referred to. And then of course you start out, you

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>lose a couple. They catch you on the hot bike

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>telling another NFL head coach, man, it's like Alabama every week,

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>which you know, in and of itself, isn't a horrible

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>thing to say, but kind of adds to the cascade

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 1>of negative feeling in that locker room like he's this

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>guy over his head. And then they also feel like

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't level with them all the time, and so

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>you take all of that background, doesn't fly home with

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the team after a tough defeat, you know, says he

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 1>wants to spend time with his family. The video's surface now.

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>If he had gone into the Monday team meeting, which

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 1>was scheduled, and said to the team, hey, I'm an idiot.

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I screwed up. It's on me. I made us look bad,

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>he had a chance to maybe, you know, pull through

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that and move on to, you know, the next stage

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 1>of the season. But he canceled the meeting no explanation.

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm told that he tried to get a player and

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 1>some assistant coaches to do something of the clean up,

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>none of which transpired. He may not have leveled with ownership,

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.959
<v Speaker 1>which is a more serious situation, and then he finally

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 1>went position group by position group kind of popped in

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>and gave a story that nobody believed. And so that's

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 1>why you heard the laughter. Okay, he might not have

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 1>been truthful with ownership about what I'm the nature of

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>what was seen on the video, and it's possible that

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't truthful with ownership as to whether he had

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>addressed the players and handled the issue. You know, I'm

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>told that he may have portrayed to ownership that he

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.680
<v Speaker 1>did do that when in fact, as I said, there

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>was no team meeting. Why not just fire him? You know,

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I think two things. If you're shot Khan, you went

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>way out in a limb to make this move and

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>make a big splash, and you have a lot invested

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>in it, not just financial, which I'm sure he could afford.

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Easy for me to say, but you know, emotionally and

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>in terms of your own capital. So I think there's

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>a sense like we'd love them not to give up

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>on this. And then the other reason it is just

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>you're probably mad at the way things are going and

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the thought of just giving him a buyout is infuriating. Now,

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>could you fire him for cause? I think you know,

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:29.719
<v Speaker 1>it would be irresponsible if they're not having those discussions

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>at least internally and possibly with the NFL in terms

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>of contract language and what you know, Could you actually

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.719
<v Speaker 1>get away with firing for cause and all of that?

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Dan could just be, hey, maybe let's get to a

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>settlement situation. So it could go that way, where both

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>sides want to end it and they settle on a

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>number in the middle. It could be that he shot

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Kan gets so fed up that he fires them and

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>pays the money. It could be that Urban quits on

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>his own and walks away from the money. That seems unlikely.

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Or it could be that they just go on try

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>to get past it and hope they can actually do

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 1>something they haven't done in more than a year. And

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>that's when a football game. Is it sustainable though? Is

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>his tenure sustainable? You know, it's the biggest issue for

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>me is if the players are openly laughing at him. Right, So,

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the NFL is not college football. These are not young

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>men with dreams of getting paid who you can control

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 1>and manipulate. This is you know. These are alpha's for

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the most part, guys who have funneled through an incredibly

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>narrow funnel to get to the highest level. And they

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>crave honesty even when it's what they don't want to hear.

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>And so he needs to start convincing them that he

0:29:56.000 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>is sincere and honest, and is that salvageable? No? I mean, Dan,

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>like I've known you a lot of time, I feel

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>like you could do that because I know you and

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I know you are a sincere person and you call

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>it like you see it. My sense of Urban, who

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know very well, is that he might not

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>be wired that way. Yeah. I just wonder if these

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>next two games. How important these next two games are?

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 1>You have one at home, you have one in London,

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and then I think you have a bye week after that,

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>so handicap the next three weeks here. Well, first of all,

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to see a really empty stadium at home.

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to see fans, you know, holding signs

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 1>that are super embarrassing. They may you don't want to

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>see a team that looks like it quit. Most of all,

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>if you get through that next one, then you go

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to London. So you know, Urban's been linked previously with USC.

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's remember the Lane Kiffin situation where he didn't even

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>get to get on the plane. Well, that's one thing

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>when it's an hour flight or where you know, wherever.

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember where the tarmac was. Maybe it was

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>a couple hours away, and Lane Keffer had to go

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 1>book a flight home because he got fired after a game.

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>You don't want that to happen in London because that

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:19.719
<v Speaker 1>is a long, awkward walk through Heathrow and then you

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people on the plane kind of

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>go and wait, isn't that oh yeah right? So yeah,

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Urban I think he needs most of all, the team

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>needs to look like the play at hard. Yeah. I

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 1>wonder about that. Do the players want to play hard?

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Like consciously? I guess you do. Subconsciously you may not

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>want to, right, It's a It's it's not as simple

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>as we're not going to play hard. I think it's

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>football is a game. We talked about sincerity. Insincerity gets

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>rooted out really fast in football, and so you could

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.959
<v Speaker 1>tell yourself, yeah, I want to do well, but that

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 1>might not translate to letting your arm get bent back

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>at an unnatural angle to make a player throwing your shoulder,

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, into a block. And so you see the

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>teams that you know ascend to the highest level. They're

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>playing for something each other, what you know, the coach,

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>their belief, they're doing something collectively and fighting through all

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of that. And so you could say the Jags, can

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, get together and say, you know, screw the coach,

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>we're doing this for us. Let's go rah rah rah.

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>But then you know it gets a little hot out

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know the other team is you know, a

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 1>little more committed. It can go downhill al ifect. Yeah.

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know if the story is simmering right now.

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's open season on Urban Meyer. I

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know if other things will come out here in

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>the coming weeks. Very very fair journalistic sensibility, right, I

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>have the same sensibility, and we hear rumblings and I

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>think the you know, to me, the biggest red flag

0:32:55.520 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 1>is he tried to bs his way through it initially

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>at least internally right. So that's a bad sign. It

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>would be one thing if he just said yeah. I mean,

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I think if a coach said to his players, you know,

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I think I think off an NFL hunt coach walked

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>into a locker room and said to his players, you

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>saw a video of me. I was drunk, I was stupid,

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I was caught up in the moment with a girl,

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and I apologize for that transgression. I think most players

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>could relate, and most humans would say, Okay, it was

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>it was dumb, but it's you know, nobody's perfect. But

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I think what it starts feeling shady and rationalized and

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>not totally truthful. Not only do you not trust the person,

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 1>but you, as you said, is there that's gonna come

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>out because you're almost daring people now to uncover that. Michael,

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 1>great to catch up with you is always thanks for

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>joining us. Appreciate you. Dad. That's Michael Silver, host of

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Passing Down podcast, Washington Football team Control Combutter, formerly with

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>sports illustrator Yahoo and the NFL Network.