1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. Machio Clerk is here. Did 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: I say that right? You did? I asked you for 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: an easy pronunciation for a Southern girl and you laughed. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: How would you pronounce your name? It's a it's a 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Dutch name, and duchess Mahio Mario Clerk. Okay, At the 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: moment I stepped on the US soil, I had to 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: give up that my name's pronunciation. So anything that's comes 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: close to it, Okay, Well, I'll practice. I like the 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: way you say it, and I apologize that I cannot 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: say it that way. It seems like it would take 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: a little practice for me. But you are a licensed 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: mental health therapist and international speaker, a dream worker and 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: author in a social entrepreneur um. I told you I've 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: been reading your book Dream Guidance, and so that's why 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: you're here today to talk to us about this book. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: I am fascinated by the world of dreams, and I 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: love the idea of dreams as a spiritual practice. I 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: had never thought of it that way, but I am 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: a very avid dreamer. I have dreams that often will 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: happen in the future, which kind of freaks me out 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: and I don't really know what to do with So 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: maybe you can help me navigate that a little bit today. 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: But let's start for the listeners with how you got 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: even involved or interested in using dreams as a spiritual practice. Well, 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: it it's I've always had intense dreams, and I had 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the natural inclination to somehow believe that there was something 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: to it or something in it. Yet really, in my 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: early twenties, I was in in a pit, the dark 30 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: place in my life where I had not dealt involved 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: the grief about losing my father, who died when I 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: was ten. Um, I didn't know what to do with 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: my future. If I imagined my future, it was just 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: completely black, and I was mainly sitting on the couch 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: doing nothing, which I thought would be great, which turned 36 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: out not to be great. And so that that that 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: really was. It was a depressive place with no purpose 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: and no no future vision, and riddled by grief that 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: I didn't even know how severe it was. And then 40 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: by some fortunate circumstances, I stumbled upon the works of 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: Carl Hume and the year is this Western psychologist that 42 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: wrote extensively about dreams, and so I used his work 43 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: to to to look at my own dreams, and I 44 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: started to see how my own dreams formed somewhat of 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: a psychic psychological X ray, what really went on inside 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: of me and both the things that were dysfunctional as 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: uh inclinations of my own soul that were moving towards 48 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: a certain direction. And if I could align with the 49 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: impulses or characters in I soul that we're doing interesting 50 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: things and look at the shadow that I had, um, 51 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: I started to get a threat that helped me to 52 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: climb out of the pit. And getting out of that pit, 53 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: life became much more colorful, interesting, a sense of purpose, 54 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: and of course life goes up and down, but to 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: have a sense of meaning and purposes is so great 56 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: that I've ever since held onto the world of dreams 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: and been exploring that that's wrong. Yeah, So you mentioned 58 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Carl Young and what what about his work? I know 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: a little bit about it, but what helped really kind 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: of bridge that a territory for your Where did you 61 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: why did you take his work and your work as 62 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: a therapist and then move into the dreaming specifically because 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: his work made made the most sense to me, he 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: Uh wrote. Its concept that he brought into the world 65 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: that are usually well known are ideas around shadow work, synchronicity, archetypes, 66 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: and collective unconscious and really an idea about the human 67 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: psyche that is layered and that there are layers that 68 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: that we all share and that we can access and 69 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: that contain insight and information. And so it was a 70 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: type of psychology that really spoke to me. And what 71 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: it did for me is I lived in a very 72 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: narrow world. I didn't really know whether there was a 73 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: life after death or not, which had become important because 74 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: my dad died. I was missing my dad chronically, and 75 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: when I started looking at dreams, they they manifested themselves 76 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: as if life goes on, it seems not to be 77 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: bothered by the end. And so I had dreams in 78 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: which I reconnected with my dad it uh, and that 79 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: was of course life changing for me. But even the 80 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: notion that life might go on after death gives a 81 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: lot of meaning to life because then at once it 82 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: becomes what might be a criteria at dying that die 83 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: at that moment that is important. And then then I 84 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: started to know out its seems to have to do 85 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: with consciousness and development bringing your gifts into the world. 86 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: Once you aligned with bringing your gift into the world, 87 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: life gets gets colorful. Right. So, okay, you mentioned the 88 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: word consciousness a few times. When you're dreaming, What is 89 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: that your subconscious? Is that unconscious? What is guiding your dreams? 90 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: Beautiful question? And uh, I'm so stoked to hear that. 91 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: You're a dreamer. So if you just take a dream, 92 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: maybe from last night or recently, and or another dream 93 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: that was intense, and for everyone that is listening or watching, 94 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: if you go back to that dream and you can 95 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: see that you are in the dream, you are in 96 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: a place, you are in an environment, You are somewhere 97 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: where you're interacting in the environment. Maybe there's a car 98 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: or a cab driver or the neighbor, and you have 99 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: a conversation. So what we know from our own experience 100 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: is that in the dream, we're in a world, and 101 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: that world we take for real unless we're lose it 102 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: and then we know we're in the dream world. But 103 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: we take that world for real and we have an experience. 104 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: And so that is the dream and of the dream experience, 105 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 1: and in that dream experience, actually how our mind is awake, 106 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: you know that there is a cab driver and you 107 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: ask and you talk, etcetera. It's only not aware that 108 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: you're in the dream. So uh, it's just a world 109 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: that you find yourself in at night where you have 110 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: this experience and this this world is built up out 111 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: of your own belief systems and thoughts and expectations and 112 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: intent and focus and and some mystery force that helps 113 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: to create this imaginal world. Okay. And and so that 114 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: is that is a dream, and that's the dream world. 115 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: And this world functions somewhat in the same way. But 116 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: that is a dream world. And then you can have 117 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: all kinds of different dreams where you see, you have 118 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: an experience of what might happen in the future, like 119 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: you were mentioned, or you you have more your personal 120 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: unconscious that manifest um and so you're all kinds of 121 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: waste that you can think about the dream of what 122 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: happens there. But the dream is the world you find 123 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: yourself in. That's build it all out of your personal 124 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: and collective unconscious or so manifestation of your soul that 125 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: creates a world. Okay. So it is it's almost like 126 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: it's just another part of you. Like you said, your 127 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: mind is still there. Like wherever this dream world is, 128 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: your mind is too, So even if you're sleeping, it's 129 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: just a different what's the word I'm looking for, just 130 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: a different part of Is it a different part of 131 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: your mind or is it just like a do you 132 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: see what I'm trying to grapple with you or what 133 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm grappling with Like I see it as a is 134 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: a part of you. But at the same time, I'm like, 135 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: but how am I seeing things that are going to 136 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: happen in the future, Like my brain can see that? Well? 137 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: That that begs the question, and I think, uh, it 138 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: indicates a couple of things from your own experience, Okay. 139 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: One is that there's something in you, whether it's you 140 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: or some are not you, there's something in you that 141 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: knows about the future. And this phenomenon is active in 142 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: your dream and you can build a relationship with this mystery, 143 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: mysterious force that knows what is about to happen. And 144 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: this mysterious force knows actually even more things, that knows 145 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: a lot about you, what goes well, what doesn't go well, 146 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: what your wounds are, how you can live a more 147 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: healthy life, how you can bring your gifts into the world, 148 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: and I love that you out of your own experience. No, Hey, 149 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: there's something in me that knows these things, and so 150 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: then you can build a relationship with it for for more. 151 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: So that is that is one part of it. The 152 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: other is I think that h also to struggle with 153 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: even if it is you, it is you on top 154 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: of it in a world. So it's your own mind 155 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: that creates a world in which you find yourself. And 156 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: in that world you if you if you follow your dreams, 157 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: you encounter either this force that predicts accurately the future, 158 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: or you can encounter other figures that are really intelligent 159 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: and can tell you things about yourself that you didn't know, 160 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: or if you advise or give you in a direction. 161 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: So there are states of consciousness or figures in your 162 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: dream that seemed not to be I they they have 163 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: they seem to have information that is not Yeah, the 164 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: little self or the eye right, I'm processing so like 165 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: whenever I'm dreaming, okay, because you said you can learn 166 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: to work with it. I have had a big fear 167 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: of this, Like when I go to sleep, I'm like like, 168 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't you know, or if I wake up after 169 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: an intense dream. I'm like, I hope that's not real, 170 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: and it kind of can produce a lot of fear 171 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: in me, and so in some ways it's almost like 172 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to know if that makes sense, And 173 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: so you're saying, use it, work with it, and in 174 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: your book, that's actually what your entire book is about, 175 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: is how to use our dreams as a spiritual practice. 176 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: So what about the people who are listening that might 177 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: be like me, that are like, yeah, but I'm scared 178 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: of that or that, you know whatever, whatever that is, 179 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: What do I do with that? Well, explore it and uh, 180 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: you can, you can start having a conversation with it. 181 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: Just say, gosh, dream or or or mystery. I know 182 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: you're there and I've I've seen that you accurately are 183 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: able to predict what happens, which is really remarkable. And 184 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm also a little bit afraid for you or what 185 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: you're gonna show. So let's let's tame it down a 186 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: little bit and let's starts small. Maybe a dream or 187 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: mystery mystery. You can help me and show me one 188 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: thing I can do to love myself more deeply. M hmm, 189 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: and then see what it what it does and it 190 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: is interested in helping and educating, so it will show 191 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: you something you can do to love yourself more deeply, 192 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: and then you build a more trusting relationship with this force, 193 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: and so you have a better relationship, and then you 194 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: don't have to be afraid for it. But of course, 195 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: sometimes life will will show things that we don't really 196 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: like to see. It could be an accident or a 197 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: person dying, or something that we don't really like, but 198 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: it will happen anyway, whether the dream shows it to 199 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: us or not. So if the dream shows it to us, 200 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: we can find ways to prepare for it or learn 201 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: to learn to engage with it in a way that 202 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: that is helpful for us. Yeah, that makes total sense. 203 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: And also, like sometimes the things I was seeing, you know, 204 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: even if I don't like them, I think that's why 205 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,479 Speaker 1: I have fears because they would be things that were painful, 206 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: but in reality, to those are situations where I needed 207 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: to make some different choices and the awareness allowed me 208 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: to see the truth. You know. Maybe I didn't want 209 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: to accept the truth and it was painful, but like, 210 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: ultimately that's not in my highest good to be in 211 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: a situation that isn't I wasn't either getting the truth, 212 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: or that you know, wasn't in line with who I 213 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: am or things like that. So yeah, I guess it 214 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: is better to lean into it. Well, let's talk through. 215 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: Your book really breaks down how people can communicate with 216 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: their dreams or communicate with themselves before their dreams and 217 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: ask questions and there's all these different steps that you 218 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: go through, which is fascinating to me because it makes 219 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: it seem so simple. And so let's break those down. Um, 220 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: First of all, what is dream incubation, because they're an 221 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: easy summary of that because you use that term so 222 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: often in the book, and I just want to maybe 223 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: if we if it does come up, I want people 224 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: to understand what that is. Yes, So, dream incubation is 225 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: a very old technique in which people ask the dream 226 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: a question before they go to sleep in order for 227 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: the dream to respond to their question. And this is 228 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: come back in almost any spiritual and religious tradition around 229 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: the world. The thoughts are some somewhat different of whether 230 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: there is a god or a divine or a spirit 231 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: guide that answers in the dream or the ancestors, but somehow, uh, 232 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: every culture spiritual tradition has figured out that there is 233 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: a mystery force in the dream like you know, and 234 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: that it knows things about us and that we can 235 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: pro actively engage with it. So some dreams by nature 236 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: bring us something helpful. However, we don't have to wait 237 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: for the dream to come to us. We can ask 238 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: it the question for anything that's relevant to our life path. 239 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: So if we can ask you any questions, how would 240 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: we know what questions to ask? Yes, So any question 241 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: that is a question that that's that's in your heart 242 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: or on your mind that's relevant to your life path, 243 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: that you can ask And so you could do now 244 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: for example, and the people that listen, just a really 245 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: simple practice, and that is take a couple of breaths 246 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: and ask yourself what would I like to to ask? 247 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: And then see what what comes up. And I don't 248 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: know if you have anything that comes up and that 249 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: you want to share and if you want great, If 250 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: you not, it's also I mean I have questions. They 251 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: take the first one. Okay. Career wise, I've sort of 252 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: been like, what's the next thing? Like what direction do 253 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: I need to go in? Because some things have shifted 254 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm being called to to grow something. 255 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: But I'm not clear on exactly what that is, but 256 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to word the question. Does 257 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: that make sense now? But this is great? That is 258 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: step on. Then identify, Hey, there's something in me that 259 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: feels that there is a call to do something else 260 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: or something new. Okay, then in step two you can 261 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: formulate the right question and uh uh and that and 262 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: that is sometimes a little puzzle, but you could sometimes 263 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: it's clear, like you can ask, is what direction would 264 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,359 Speaker 1: be soul? What direction do you want to grow into? Okay, 265 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: that that could be could also be that that is 266 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: a little bit too broad. That you have to narrow 267 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: down and ask questions, Um, what what could I focus 268 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: upon right now that would be in the benefit of 269 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: the growth of my my soul. Then you get one 270 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: thing and you just can't focus on that one thing. 271 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: That will be maybe a stepping stone that gives you 272 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: insight in the into what is next, because maybe it 273 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: shows you, maybe it shows you something in general where 274 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: you need to go with the d but your own 275 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: soul wants you to figure it out a little bit 276 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: on your own. So what is the next step that 277 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: I need to focus upon? And then you will see 278 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: what that is Okay, does that make sense? It does 279 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: so because in the book you mentioned like the way 280 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: that you ask the question is really important because especially 281 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: if we ask a question that has two questions within 282 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: one sentence, it can really get confused in our dreams. 283 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: Or maybe you don't get the clarity that you're looking for, 284 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: and so is that So maybe it's like one of 285 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: those things that you can try a couple of different times. 286 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: Like if I had that question, then I dreamed something 287 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what this doesn't make sense? Could I 288 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: just rephrase the question the next night? You can always 289 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: rephrase it. I always people pustle a little bit, and 290 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: you can say to the mystery ques, thank you for 291 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: answering makes no sense. I'm gonna retry this right. It 292 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: is always willing to help. But um, let's say that 293 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: you would ask the question, what could I focus upon 294 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: right now that would be helpful for the next step 295 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: in my career? Okay, that is one question. Uh, that 296 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: is just one question. If you would say, what could 297 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: I do for my career? And how do I find 298 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: a great law for how do I be a better partner? Whatever? Uh, 299 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: then things gets quickly come from your dreams are like 300 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: what do you want to know? This is the lot 301 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: is your whole life here, throw everything at you and 302 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: then you don't also not know which part of the 303 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: dream refers to the partner and you're and to money 304 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: and okay, okay, so then let's talk about, like what 305 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: is the importance that then you have a dream? Like 306 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: I actually tried this two nights ago and I had 307 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: the weirdest dream. Um, I have no idea what it 308 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: meant and I already forgot it. So like, I guess 309 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: you think in the book you really mentioned like the 310 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: importance that the second you wake up you have to 311 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: write it down. Is that one of the steps? Correct? Yeah, 312 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: that's correct? And u um, at night, your short term 313 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: memory goes offline. Okay, that's why you don't remember your dreams, 314 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: uh when it comes back when you wake up. So 315 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: the best thing to do is when you wake up 316 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: in the morning, repeat the dream three times so that 317 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: you that it gets stored back in your memory, and 318 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: then write it down at the minimum a couple of keywords, 319 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: but preferably the whole dream, because dreams evaporate. And that 320 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: there's nothing to do with intelligence or willpower. It's just 321 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: that the brain doesn't store it correctly well in the morning, 322 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: so write it down and and and it is not 323 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: on Sometimes it's very clear the dream response, but sometimes 324 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: it's also um. It gets information that you had and 325 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: thought about yet, so it comes from an angle that 326 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: you hadn't pondered about, and so it's it's new information. 327 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: And it's very easy to dismiss it. And if you 328 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: just write it down and come back an hour later, 329 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: or you read a dream to a friend and you say, gosh, 330 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: and then you read it out loud, very often it's 331 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: at once. Oh, now it makes sense, yeah, because I 332 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: remember that I do remember asking a question. I wish 333 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: I can't even remember the question now, But I asked 334 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: a question and then I had the most random dream 335 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: and I was I would think the reason I didn't 336 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: write it down because I was thinking this was really off. 337 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: But maybe it was actually telling me something that I 338 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: just couldn't quite piece together. That is my working my 339 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: working hypothesis. I'm radical. I think that if you ask 340 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: this mystery source within that knows about the future and 341 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: it knows about you, a question that it will answer 342 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: and uh and and so it I also consider it 343 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: more intelligent than than than humans, So it answers in 344 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: usually a dream form, and dreams are metaphorical by nature 345 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: their environments, and not just a little letter to us. 346 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: So it takes a little bit of pustling to figure 347 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: it out. And uh and and we can talk about 348 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: how you can pustle with your dream. But then I 349 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: encourage people write it down. Just treat it as if 350 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: you were meeting this wise, compassionate counselor to give you 351 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: an answer. It might be a little bit riddled for 352 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: you when you wake up, and your consciousness might think 353 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: that is silly or that's weird or has nothing to 354 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: do with me. Especially, then write it down because it 355 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: might be coming from an angle that you didn't think about, 356 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: and give you the answer that you were looking for. Okay, 357 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: this is feeling really so. I did a psilocybin journey 358 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: with a shaman. I guess this is about a year 359 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: ago now, and so much of this is feeling really 360 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: familiar to me because during that journey I had all 361 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: of these visions, but I couldn't really make sense of 362 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: a lot of them, and I wanted to write them 363 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: down at the end, and he said, no, they'll they'll 364 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: reveal themselves when it's ready, and like it has been 365 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: so true, certain things will ping back to me um 366 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: and they'll make complete sense, or like it's just so 367 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: interesting what came up not really being the thing that 368 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: I thought I needed to work through at the time, 369 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, Like it's always just so interesting that I 370 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: think that our minds are subconscious, unconscious, all of these 371 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: different things are just so much more powerful than we 372 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: actually even ever know, and so we're just like walking 373 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: around the world trying to think our way through things, 374 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, it's all there to be revealed 375 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: if we just quiet our minds enough to see it 376 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: or or listen to it. I totally agree, And I 377 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: think that that a psilocybin or a U Westca journey, 378 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: actually a journey into a similar rome has to dream, uh, 379 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: and it just built up sim literally as dream. So 380 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: dreams are maybe little drops of mushroom journeys Ayahuaska journeys. Yeah, 381 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: you can access the same states of intelligence and consciousness 382 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: just in a in a much smaller dose. But the 383 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: way you can engage in the in the mushroom journey 384 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: with the environment and asking questions and how your thoughts 385 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: go co create the environment and how there are sometimes 386 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: figures that tell you things you didn't know. Same same 387 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: for the dream and at the end of the day, 388 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: same same for this reality. But this reality is super 389 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: dense and the dream and the Ayawaska world or the 390 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: mushroom world are much more fluid because it's farm, it's 391 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a different form of imagination or the 392 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: soul or right, it's just more amplified. Yeah, So you 393 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: mentioned the puzzle after basically you write your dream down. 394 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: So I mean, are people oftentimes misinterpreting dreams? Are like, 395 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, you can go find books and it's like, oh, 396 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: I think I heard you on a podcast say, like 397 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: a snake can mean many different things and a dream. 398 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: So if you go read these books that are like 399 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: dream interpretations, maybe that's not what you're mind was actually meaning. 400 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: So how do we know we're accurately interpreting these dreams. Yeah, 401 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: that's that's the million dollar question, right, I was hoping 402 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: you could answer so some things that that seems it's girl. 403 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: You have this notion, he said, if you have the 404 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: sense that it clicks, so that your interpretation that it clicks, 405 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: it's very often an indication it's not how the percent 406 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: the case, because we all know people who have a 407 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: vision or an idea that the really clicks for them, 408 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: and we can see that it is not really uh accurate, 409 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: So usually the it clicks method. The other is um. 410 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: The more you understand about how these worlds get created, 411 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: the easier it becomes to to to to work with them. 412 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: And for example, the dream world is a combination between 413 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: your personal unconscious beliefs and thoughts and experiences and something else, 414 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: that mystery force that you encountered that creates it. And 415 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: so let's say, uh, um, I would have a dream 416 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: in which my neighbor gets I don't know, gets a 417 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: new car, and I'm jealous because I wanted to have 418 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: that car. Uh. And then my previous friend John comes 419 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: by and that's the dream and uh and and then 420 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: you would maybe ask what do you associate to John? 421 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: And I I would say, oh, John is a previous friend 422 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: who is very jealous or envious. And then uh, you 423 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: could say, your your belief systems and experiences take on 424 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: form and shape of people and objects that we know 425 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: where we have a certain association too. So John is 426 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: jealous or envious, maybe so and so is maybe my 427 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: former boss is critical, so then he comes to the 428 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: dream as critical nous. But it's very personal because your 429 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: former boss maybe you know maybe you would know John too, 430 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: and we would say, oh no, John, I know John 431 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: very well. John is generous, So you have a different 432 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: experience of John. So in your dream, John would be 433 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: the presentation of generosity, where in my dream he would 434 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: be envy. And so we could. You cannot say one 435 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: one thing or one character means the same thing to everything. 436 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: There's a personal layer. You get to that personal layer 437 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: by asking the question, what do I associate to this figure? Okay? 438 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: So that is one little technique and that gives some 439 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: understanding of this dream work. Another is the question you 440 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: can ask is what is the function of this so 441 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: a car, what is the function of the car? Or 442 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: the car moved me through life? Okay, so my way 443 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: of moving through life. And then I can look at 444 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: the dream what what my way of moving through life 445 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: is doing? Maybe I can get the breaks to work 446 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: or the way I moved through life, and I seem 447 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: not to be able to stop or to get to 448 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: the steering will, and I feel out of control. So 449 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: those two things can help people work with their dream 450 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: without the need to go to the dream dictionary, because 451 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: the tiger or the snake means in one cultured dish 452 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: and on all the other culture that and it could 453 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: mean something, but it also could not mean that, right, 454 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: But how do we know? So I actually when you 455 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: said the thing about I can't remember how you worded it, 456 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: but it reminds me of the gut, like my gut 457 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: always knows. Like when I've had dreams in the past 458 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: and they were so vivid that I wished I could 459 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: forget them, but I couldn't, and then I would something 460 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: would happen, and I'm like, oh, this is what this meant. 461 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: And I knew so clearly, like it wasn't There was 462 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: no question in my mind. My body was very calm, 463 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: even if it was negative things, and so to me, 464 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: that was when I knew my dream was right. Yeah, 465 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: I love that notion. When you said, also, my body 466 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: was calm, I think that is very often an indication 467 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: that the hero the hero on the right track. Yeah, 468 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: if it's something you don't plung it or this person 469 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: is going to die, but if you feel very calm, 470 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: it's probably right. The other thing I love that you 471 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: mentioned in the book though, is like a dream isn't 472 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: a genie? Because I think a lot of times we 473 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: associate Okay, well, if I can talk to my dreams, 474 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: I can get answers in my dreams. I'm just going 475 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: to ask for all the things like a lot of 476 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: times people associate prayer with that too, write like dear God, 477 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: give me a million dollars, like you know or whatever 478 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: it is? So what is it if a dream isn't 479 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: a genie? What what would you even call a dream? Like? 480 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: Why do we need this for our spiritual practice? Because 481 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: it really works for spiritual practice and it doesn't really 482 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: work well for the million dollar in general unless it 483 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: belongs to your spiritual practice. And uh So, they've done 484 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: some research at Hartford University on the dream incubation, and 485 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: what they noticed is that the students who would ask 486 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: questions that were emotionally irrelevant to them or of medical 487 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: nature would get a high percentage of dreams that would 488 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: make sense to their question. People that would ask questions 489 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: that were too conceptual not personally irrelevant would not get 490 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: an answer. So it looks like this mysterious force that 491 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: knows it is interested in helping and educating in you 492 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: becoming you, are you working through your karma or helping 493 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: you with your emotional life soul's purpose, Then you get answers. 494 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: But if you would ask what did my neighbor have 495 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: for dinner? How do I get the ferrari or the 496 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: million dollars? It's it just doesn't have to do with 497 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: the flourishing of you as an individual, and and that 498 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: is what it wants to support. If you would ask 499 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: a question, how can I with my work, uh, touch 500 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: more people that become more fulfilled and that I can 501 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: earn a living with that? Oh, there's the dream. At once. 502 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: It is really interested because now it's going to help 503 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: you bring your gift in an optimal way into the world. Yeah, 504 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: and that you get paid for it is also a 505 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: regular thing. Okay. I love that that piece of just 506 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: like it has to be in line with your soul's 507 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: purpose and your spiritual journey because I think a lot 508 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: of times in our culture it gets lost that we're 509 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: not all on the same journey, striving for the same thing. 510 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: Like you know, a lot of times the picture is 511 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: painted of what success should look like like. Success looks 512 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: like a big house of ferrari, millions of dollars all 513 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: of those things. And it could, but you know, your life, 514 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: in your spiritual path and your journey could call for 515 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: some thing totally different. And so what I hear you 516 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: saying is this dreaming and really tapping into your dreams 517 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: and working with your dreams is another form of really 518 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: finding your own uniqueness and going on your own journey 519 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: and not having to like map out your life based 520 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: on what everyone else is doing or what someone else 521 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: tells you, which look like beautifully said, and indeed it's 522 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: the it's the core of this, this notion. And also 523 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: that you have this this this wise compassionate counselor insight 524 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: that knows what that can help you with your journey. 525 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: So it gives Taylor made answers to your situation in 526 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: ways that uh, no other system really can do because 527 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: it knows how you have this wound. And in order 528 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: for you to work with this wound, you want to 529 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: develop this or you need this experience. And that is 530 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: so unique. And there's only the world is as only uniqueness. 531 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: There's there's not there's not even two flakes of snow 532 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: who are the same. There's no two humans with the 533 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: same path. Uh. And and so there is not really 534 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: one guideline or one book that can help a person. 535 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: If you do dish, then you will be happy. And 536 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting because that is how we live a lot 537 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: of our lives. I mean, I know that I have, 538 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: like if you go through a bad breakup, well, I 539 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: want the self help books that are gonna help me 540 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: get to the other side. But every relationship is different, 541 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: every person is different, and there is no one size 542 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: fits all healing or journey. I love that you mentioned 543 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: like the only like the wound part, like this is 544 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: the one place that knows all of your wounds. Like 545 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: it is true more than even your therapist would it. 546 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,959 Speaker 1: It can break down every piece of you that maybe 547 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 1: you're not even conscious of and work with that. Yeah, yeah, 548 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: and and it and it can show you the next 549 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: step that It's just like what you ask with your career, 550 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: maybe what's the next step, because this step will lead 551 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: you to that and then you're there and then immediately 552 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: saying you need to be there, you know, it's like, oh, 553 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: maybe you first need to go to Atlanta before you 554 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: actually end up in Seattle, but there was something there. 555 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: So if I tell you need to go to Seattle, 556 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: you might miss Atlanta. So it will tell you if 557 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: you ask the next step you say, oh, oh, just 558 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: that is it? And uh and and with wounds the 559 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: same it. We're stuck and I still this grudge about 560 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: my ex. How can I let go? What's one thing 561 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: I can do to let go? And then your dream 562 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: will show a scene or an experience that you can 563 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: mimic to let go of the grudge. Right, Yeah, this 564 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: is fascinating to me. So I love um. When I 565 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: was talking to your book publisher, she said that one 566 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: of the main topics that she loved is how dreams 567 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: can help with love, health, purpose, and personal development. And 568 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: so I feel like a lot of the listeners like 569 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: because when I read that, I was like, Okay, how 570 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: do I mean like help me in love? Like what 571 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: you know? And so is it just it's a journey, right, 572 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm assuming this isn't like I'm gonna go to sleep 573 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: tonight and figure my whole entire life out. I wish 574 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: that would be amazing. But um, is there a specific 575 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: place that you would suggest to listeners to start, because 576 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: I think even coming out of this this time, this pandemic, 577 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: all of this stuff, everyone is asking questions like do 578 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: I like this job that I'm in. We've we've really 579 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: kind of had this moment of evaluating our lives and 580 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: and what we're putting our energy into. So and it 581 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: can be a little overwhelming to be going on any 582 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: sort of spiritual journey right now. So do you have 583 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: a suggestion of just how to decipher where to start 584 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: in your practice with dreams? Well, of course, it's it's 585 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: individual for everyone. If you have a have a burning question, 586 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: take that question. And sometimes it's a huge question that 587 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: will be a process and to figure it out because 588 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: let's say you want to have a great relationship, most 589 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: likely that's going to take a lot of steps before 590 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: you're there, um, because there's so many components in it. 591 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: But if if people are listening and they want to 592 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: ask a question tonight, things that have worked really well 593 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: that I didn't studies with a question is what is 594 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: one type of food that would be really healthy for 595 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: me to eat? That's that triggers an exceptionally high positive 596 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: response with clear answers. Another one that is that's always 597 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: great is we talked about before, what is one thing 598 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: I can do to love myself more deeply? And of 599 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: course if I love myself more deeply. I can be 600 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,720 Speaker 1: open hearted and connect to our others more deeply, because 601 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: it's very hard to give what you don't have. And 602 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: uh um, So those are two questions that that generally 603 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: work really well that people can practice tonight in order 604 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: for them. If they want to do that, make sure 605 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: you write it down because that seems to be important 606 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: to create a little ritual. So talk to the dream, 607 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: make a drawing, write a letter like a candle, dance 608 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: whatever comes up for you, but just that you communicate 609 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: to the mystery. I'd love to have some help. I 610 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: was listening to this guy talking to Kelly today and 611 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure dream if you can do this, but 612 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: what would that be cool? Yes? Uh, please let me 613 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: know if you can answer. And then you just write 614 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: down the question and you'll be just honest in that relationship. 615 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: You tell it and then the next morning you have 616 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: to write it down. But otherwise it's gone and it's 617 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: not a good communications with the with the mystery. And 618 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: uh and you and probably you will have a tool 619 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: that you can apply the rest for your life. How 620 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: often our little you want for challenges and and and 621 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: and quests that you're on Okay, so what kind of 622 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: food could I help? What was it again? What is 623 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: one type that that is usually where it is? Make 624 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: it very simple. What is one type of food that 625 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: would be very healthy for me to eat? What you 626 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: would enjoy eating? And um, Like my mother did do this, 627 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 1: and she was dreaming that she had all that. She was, uh, 628 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: we're all kinds of glasses with water on the table, 629 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: and she took a couple of SIPs and then she 630 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: she forgot about it, and she was like, oh, yeah, 631 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: I very often start drinking what are during the day. 632 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: I forget about it. But here are even eight glasses 633 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: of water. So let me make sure that I drink 634 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: eight glasses of water. Since she needed more water. She 635 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: just wasn't. This is interesting because I remember I was 636 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: telling you before this podcast, I've had COVID, and I 637 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: just I have not really bounced back. And so I'm 638 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: going to try this one tonight or even with What 639 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: is one thing I can do to recover or heal 640 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: from COVID? Okay, and then internally something will know. Yeah. 641 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: The old Greek tradition of Esclapius, which was a thousand 642 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: year tradition, people would go to the temple of escapis 643 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: with medical problems, uh, because they didn't know. And somehow 644 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: you will get something that will help you to to heal. Right, 645 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: my body knows. I just maybe I'm somehow not in 646 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: touch with that yet. Right, Okay, I'm gonna try this tonight. 647 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: I'll report back to you. The book is called Dream Guidance, 648 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: Connecting to the Soul through Dream Incubation. And actually in 649 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: the back of the book, UM, you give people some 650 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: questions to ask if they're getting stuck on you know how. 651 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: I kind of was like, oh, this is overwhelming. What 652 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 1: do I ask? And so you break down like questions 653 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: to ask in love and relationships, your life path, personal growth, 654 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: health finances, uh, spiritual exploration. So if you guys are 655 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: listening and you're like I wouldn't even know where to start, 656 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: get the book. It's a really good place to start, 657 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: and it kind of just breaks down your journey and 658 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: how you came into this work with dreams. So I 659 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: highly recommend. I am fascinated with dreams, and like I said, 660 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: I've been a little scared of my dreams sometimes, but 661 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to um, you know, except that 662 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: and know that my inner knowing wants to tell me 663 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: some stuff. Yeah, and and that the inner knowing is 664 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: really interested in helping and educate and uh, and that 665 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,720 Speaker 1: it wants to help you live a fulfilling life. Yeah, 666 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: that's always true. As I say, there's you know, these 667 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: painful things that come up. But again it is the 668 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: stuff that's like if I stay here, my higher purpose 669 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: or my higher self cannot thrive. Like it's something that 670 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: needs to leave my life usually, and so it is 671 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: trying to help me, I think, but it's sometimes just 672 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: like damn it, you know, why isn't that different? That's 673 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: just life though. Yeah, yeah, nobody likes their own wounds. 674 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: And but by ignoring the wounds, we, as you mentioned, 675 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: we remain stuck in those those pockets and uh and 676 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: and and the psyche, just like your body will heal itself, 677 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: the psyche will heal itself if we engage with it, 678 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: so we don't even have to figure it out. It's 679 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: just like the cut on your arm. You need to 680 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: clean it. You don't have to figure out how your 681 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: skin regrows in a great way. The same with internal wounds. 682 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 1: Engage with it, clean it, and then the soul will 683 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: will recreated in a way that that it doesn't hurt 684 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: so much anymore. Who doesn't want that exactly? I love that. 685 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You guys, go check out this book. 686 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put all the description. I'm gonna sorry, I'm 687 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: gonna put the link to this book in the description 688 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,760 Speaker 1: this podcast. Is there somewhere else that people can find 689 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: you if they want to follow along on your journey? Yes, um, 690 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: they can. I often say, just type and dream guidance. 691 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: Then probably my name in the book will come up, 692 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: and you will find my website because my website is 693 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: my name. It's a really difficult dot com m A 694 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: C h I l K L E r K dot com. 695 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: Maybe it's in the notes, or go to your platform 696 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: j U n G platform. It's a company I started 697 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: based in a dream, out of a dream, and there 698 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: was a vocational dream that I've now been working on 699 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: for years. And there we provide great programs on shadow 700 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: work and synchronicity and UH dream work and all kinds 701 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: of spiritual psychological programs for beginners and intermediate UH spiritual 702 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: explorers in the world. Amazing. I will put all of 703 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: this in the description of the podcast. You guys can 704 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: easily find it, but go check it out and uh 705 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: mchayl no, Machiel got it. I knew I was going 706 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: to get there. Thank you so much for just helping 707 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: us um decipher our dreams. I'm so excited to try 708 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: this tonight and really dive into this kind of work. 709 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, Kelly, it was a pleasure to be with you. 710 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening. Thanks for listening to The 711 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 1: Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, where we believe everyone 712 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: has a little velvet and a little edge. Subscribe for 713 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: more conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. Search Velvet's 714 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: Edge wherever you get your podcasts. Fo