Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
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Speaker 1: from deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at Valley Ranch.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys is elect and now your hosts, Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us well as promised. We
Speaker 1: did tell you we were going to come to Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: and we all made it so happy to be here
Speaker 1: in the Indiana Convention Center here in Indianapolis, Indiana for
Speaker 1: the Combine twenty eighteen. As the Big Boys guy said,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Buddy's Scout Buddies, Dane Brugler, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Day one of the NFL Combine. As far as really
Speaker 1: kind of getting into coach talk general manager talk is
Speaker 1: Dan Bruger would say, the season of lying has begun.
Speaker 1: It has, but learn some things today. Listen to some
Speaker 1: guys talk Jason Garrett. Really more questions about the team, David,
Speaker 1: other than really some draft Yeah. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know, I always solicit questions for Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty and right, which understandably it's the Draft show. But
Speaker 1: we're getting a lot of questions about like who who
Speaker 1: impressed today and who had the best draw. Well, we
Speaker 1: haven't really gotten that far yet. I haven't got that
Speaker 1: far yet, but we've got some measurements we'll talk about.
Speaker 1: We will talk about that GM Coach Day more so
Speaker 1: than prospect Day. So a little bit anticlimactic in terms
Speaker 1: of the draft because we're dealing with personnel and coaching
Speaker 1: and all that type of stuff, and the real good
Speaker 1: stuff with the prospects doesn't really start till tomorrow. But yeah,
Speaker 1: now that there's nothing to talk about, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: want to, I want to kind of go if I
Speaker 1: could dange real quick. Yesterday Dave kind of in a
Speaker 1: little summary if you could. Stephen Jones did address some
Speaker 1: draft questions about you know, one techniques and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: There's one particular that really upset our demographic sure in
Speaker 1: terms of people that want to listen to a draft podcast,
Speaker 1: which Stephen Jones was asked about the one technique, you know,
Speaker 1: the nose tackle position, and people kind of got in
Speaker 1: a tizzy about his answer, which he said, you know,
Speaker 1: he said, we probably wouldn't spend a first round pick
Speaker 1: on a true nose. They just don't value that. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not on the field enough. He doesn't disrupt the
Speaker 1: passer enough to merit that. And so he said, if
Speaker 1: they were going to spend a first round pick on
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, he would at least need to have
Speaker 1: some three technique traits. Yeah, I have some under undertackle traits.
Speaker 1: And kind of everybody's thought about is immediately, Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: does Vita Vea have three technique under tackle traits? He does,
Speaker 1: And that's why we're not ruling out. You can't rule
Speaker 1: out Vitavea at nineteen. I don't know if they I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they would take him if he's there. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you, yeah, let me let me tell you
Speaker 1: this though, And what's your saying? And I'm really happy
Speaker 1: you you said what you said. I reached out to
Speaker 1: several guys within the organization. I said, can I eliminate
Speaker 1: vitave after what Stephen Jones said? And they said, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Vita Vea does have three technique under tackle traits. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, to immediately say that he would not be
Speaker 1: in the mix, you know, and you're in You're right,
Speaker 1: if they would, would they take him? Would they not
Speaker 1: take him? Right? You know? But he does have the traits,
Speaker 1: which I get, and you know, I apologize if I
Speaker 1: sounded condescending, but people were kind of freaking out yesterday,
Speaker 1: like Steven Jones dropped this bombshell, which I really I
Speaker 1: don't think that's true because uh, Dron Payne and Vita
Speaker 1: Vea both I think probably fit in that category of
Speaker 1: their one techniques, but they have some three technique traits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to necessarily take them off the field
Speaker 1: on third down or passing down, right, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I really think the Cowboys would draft a defensive tackle nineteenth. Overall,
Speaker 1: I don't like if you put a gun to my head,
Speaker 1: I would say no. But nothing Steven Jones said leads
Speaker 1: me to believe that you just have to rule those
Speaker 1: guys out because it's it's realistic that by the time
Speaker 1: pick nineteen gets there, the best player on the board
Speaker 1: that think's gonna look like a turkey on thanks picked apart, right,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be skin and bones. So at nineteen,
Speaker 1: the best player available might be say it is Vita Vea,
Speaker 1: And you know, I even Isaiah Wynn is gone at
Speaker 1: that point, he might be the best player available. And
Speaker 1: I don't think you can rule him out even you know,
Speaker 1: regardless of what Steven said, Yeah, I just think that
Speaker 1: I thought that a lot of people went into in colboindation,
Speaker 1: went into panic mode. If okay, does this mean they're
Speaker 1: eliminating one take? Steven Jones gave me the reason why
Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't take a one technique, But in reaching
Speaker 1: out to some folks and then the expert scout here
Speaker 1: to my left, you know he's seen he's seen three techniques.
Speaker 1: I've seen three technique traits in the player. Yeah, are
Speaker 1: all the one to techniques that way? No, not all,
Speaker 1: not all of ore. But but I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: there's several though that we've seen that have played that
Speaker 1: three technique or it played a one moved in you know,
Speaker 1: to outside shoulder and attack gaps and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm thinking, Which you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to get follow up questions in a setting
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, you know, if you if you
Speaker 1: didn't see it. Stephen Jones was talking to about twenty reporters,
Speaker 1: all of whom have their own list of questions they're
Speaker 1: trying to get answered, right, But it would have been
Speaker 1: nice to ask Stephen all right, well, what's your threshold
Speaker 1: for just taking a one technique? That's all he does?
Speaker 1: You know, Like, at what round are you more amenable
Speaker 1: to doing that? I don't know the answer to it,
Speaker 1: but it's clearly not the first I would guess it's
Speaker 1: probably not the second either. Yeah, I just think the
Speaker 1: list is too good though. Yeah, we keep talking about those,
Speaker 1: but you know, we talk about the guys and you know,
Speaker 1: I keep looking it at my list of guys, you know,
Speaker 1: with Sanat and Phil and you know those guys Settle,
Speaker 1: you know, our guy from our guy from uh Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Uh see, I'll get that name right one of these days.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that uh you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like though that to me, it's a it's a situation
Speaker 1: where uh, you know again what Stephen Jones said, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you take it and you process it. But the fact
Speaker 1: that a guy that we clearly you have thought about,
Speaker 1: you know, that has been mocked to the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: does have those traits. So that's a that's a positive
Speaker 1: thing right now, uh, David, anything else though, did you
Speaker 1: get the sense though they have not talked about the
Speaker 1: Byron Jones moving to corner officially? I know people with
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones was asked about that, and you know, that
Speaker 1: kind of brings us into maybe, okay, if he does go,
Speaker 1: are you looking at safety now? I mean, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you they've definitely talked about it. You can tell by
Speaker 1: the detail and the answer that they've talked about it.
Speaker 1: I don't to hear it from Stephen Jones. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like he's one hundred percent committed to doing that, right,
Speaker 1: But it's I think it's kind of like a writing
Speaker 1: on the wall thing, Like my my gut tells me
Speaker 1: that that's something that they're leaning toward doing. But it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like they've made that decision by any stretch,
Speaker 1: but it is. You know, it's something that comes up
Speaker 1: because all of a sudden you find yourself talking about safety,
Speaker 1: and Stephen says, well, if we do decide to do
Speaker 1: that and move him down, then safety sure his heck
Speaker 1: looks like a need for this team, which you know
Speaker 1: we've talked about already. Right, You've got you've basically got
Speaker 1: three safeties on this team, uh, two of which don't
Speaker 1: have a ton of experience. I don't think they I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up. I forgot to mention that stee.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is it's rare to just hear, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody like a Stephen Jones come out and say like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we like Cheetah Moore as a corner than we do
Speaker 1: as a safety. Right, We're not sure we really want
Speaker 1: to move him, which, like to me, I'm celebrating that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he needs to go anywhere, and this
Speaker 1: isn't the best safety class prospects, so I don't maybe
Speaker 1: they look it's kind of it's kind of like, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, you look at James from Florida State, Golden
Speaker 1: from Tennessee, and now let's hope where somebody there's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a couple other guys there that you kind of like,
Speaker 1: but not as much as those two. If you're telling
Speaker 1: me there's my two different rounds too, Yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: talking went to my first round guy and potentially a
Speaker 1: second round guy and maybe a guy that in Golden
Speaker 1: it might not even get the fifty rights. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna sit there and move Byron Jones and think, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll just draft to safety, you know, then they and
Speaker 1: the heck they you know, they might like Harrison from
Speaker 1: Alabama they might like Bates, you know, from Wake Forest.
Speaker 1: You know, they might like Watts from Texas A and M,
Speaker 1: which I know that obviously. I know this is the
Speaker 1: draft show. But that's and to bring it all the
Speaker 1: way back now, you'd like to trade, wouldn't you? Well,
Speaker 1: all right, I wasn't even gonna go there, O spare
Speaker 1: me your earl Thomas talk, because I don't even know
Speaker 1: what to do with it right now. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know they're gonna leave it. I'm gonna leave it
Speaker 1: hanging out there as like this imaginary dangling at dangling fruit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But well, and and Steven, you know, just to round
Speaker 1: it out, Steven also brought up left guard. He said,
Speaker 1: we did, We've got we've got four really good offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: We need a fifth. We don't know where we're getting
Speaker 1: him from. And that's the same thing. And we've talked
Speaker 1: about it before. The Cowboys, you know, they they like
Speaker 1: to cover their bases in free agency before you get
Speaker 1: to the draft, which is why I think, you know,
Speaker 1: that's why you got to look at left guard as
Speaker 1: a free agency option. And if Byron Jones does move
Speaker 1: to corner, you probably got to look at safety as
Speaker 1: a free eye agency option. I mean, right in this
Speaker 1: crazy dream world, maybe you trade for Earl Thomas or
Speaker 1: I mean they went and got Robert Blanton last year.
Speaker 1: It could be something that simple. But I think those
Speaker 1: are two positions where I think in free agency they
Speaker 1: got to take a look and just make sure that
Speaker 1: they've got a body before they worry about the draft.
Speaker 1: You would you would go ahead? And would you? Uh?
Speaker 1: Would you in a trade back situation? Then if you
Speaker 1: knew you needed a safety and you and and say
Speaker 1: James is off the board, you feel comfortable going in
Speaker 1: drafting Golden in the first round at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the first round at twenty seven, I don't. I mean
Speaker 1: I had to be wiped out. I think, uh, because
Speaker 1: my first draft board I had Golden like at forty
Speaker 1: six overall in right, right, so that's a that's like
Speaker 1: mid second round. It's not even early second round, right, Um,
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison is he still available from Alabama? Yeah? Because
Speaker 1: I think that'd be an option. And see, do you like?
Speaker 1: You like Harrison then better than Golden? They're different, they're different. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Harrison's more of a downhill guy. Golden's I feel better
Speaker 1: in cover the description I gave to you and I
Speaker 1: were talking about Who's what is golden? Golden is Malcolm
Speaker 1: Jenkins to me? Yeah, And I think that's a very
Speaker 1: very good companion. Sure, he's just a He's just a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl veteran leader, super Bowl champion. In terms of
Speaker 1: describe describe the player, though, what what? What's the player?
Speaker 1: What could the player do? Player plays in the slot,
Speaker 1: player player tackles well, player could play in coverage? Long? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you want, everybody out there wants
Speaker 1: a comparison to a guy, I know, here's a what
Speaker 1: was Jenkins win in college? He was a corner. They
Speaker 1: made a safety. He actually he started as a slot corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what does this guy do? He plays slot corner. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about that kind of role. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Malcolm Jenkins that makes sense. But what does
Speaker 1: this team need? Is that? Is that what this team needs? Well?
Speaker 1: If you move Byron Jones, who's gonna started saying, I
Speaker 1: mean you talk about Woods, right, you know, Frazier and that.
Speaker 1: You know, I just don't think they're moving a Woozier.
Speaker 1: I just don't do it either, or do I think
Speaker 1: they should? Yes, I mean you talk about the reasons
Speaker 1: why they would move Byron down. You know, he's big
Speaker 1: and long and physical for a corner. Cheeto fits that
Speaker 1: mold too. Oh sure, they're very Cheeto got hurt. Cheeto
Speaker 1: got hurt playing safety in the Green Bay game. He
Speaker 1: was lined up as a safety when he got hurt. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: And one more point from Stephen Jones talking to me.
Speaker 1: He came out and not that this is rocket science,
Speaker 1: but he was like, it's easier to find a safety
Speaker 1: than a corner. Yeah. If you think a guy can
Speaker 1: play corner for you, especially on the outside, why somewhere else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But they've been searching for a corner, I mean a
Speaker 1: safety forever. That's easier to find corner. But terms of
Speaker 1: how about players impact players, that's where maybe you're gonna
Speaker 1: get your trade, Dave. Like I said, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to do with that. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to begin it out there. Again, it's not something
Speaker 1: that you want to know absolutely, but maybe that's their plan.
Speaker 1: I mean it's again, you're gonna have to pay the guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to that. You at least go
Speaker 1: down that road and see what's possible. You know you
Speaker 1: you explore every avenue, and that's why I don't think
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of chatter I've heard from teams
Speaker 1: that want the draft and then free agency. But the
Speaker 1: way things are set up, the draft is the last
Speaker 1: part of the off season really in terms of player acquisition,
Speaker 1: So free agency comes first. Some of these trades will
Speaker 1: come first, the franchise tack all the tags, everything comes
Speaker 1: before the draft. So I think it like what Dave
Speaker 1: said earlier about filling your needs through free agency. Good
Speaker 1: chance we see him do that, or a trade or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they go in the draft without that clear number
Speaker 1: one need. If they move on from Dez Bryant, this
Speaker 1: receiver become a priority oversay some of the other positions.
Speaker 1: As you talk about it's already it should already be
Speaker 1: a priority in my mind. And if they I don't
Speaker 1: think they should get rid of Deaz. But if they did, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that they did. I mean, again, this
Speaker 1: is just discussion. This is what you mean. Now. Now,
Speaker 1: now give me some priority day because I don't think
Speaker 1: we feel as good coming here now that as we
Speaker 1: once did about the Dez Bryant situation. I was pretty
Speaker 1: committed to I don't think anything's going to happen with
Speaker 1: his money and all that. And to be honest with
Speaker 1: you now, I'm I'm kind of nervous about maybe what
Speaker 1: will happen with this deal. I came out last week
Speaker 1: when Stephen Jones talked back in Dallas before we even
Speaker 1: got here, and it, you know, just what he said
Speaker 1: kind of made me start to doubt myself, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: you and I have both been saying for a couple
Speaker 1: of months that we don't think anything I feel like
Speaker 1: they're gonna doing with the money. If you're trying to
Speaker 1: read the tea leaves, I'm not as confident I still.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say definitively what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: But I'm starting to think more and more that they
Speaker 1: really they might not view it the same way as me,
Speaker 1: and they feel comfortable making a move on that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's definitely something you have to consider, which I wonder though,
Speaker 1: because I have a couple of thoughts if you're gonna
Speaker 1: do if you're gonna do something with Dez, which I'm
Speaker 1: thinking get more sooner than later. And Stephen said that too,
Speaker 1: he said they're going to have that conversation more sooner
Speaker 1: than later, which okay, let's say they do that. Let's
Speaker 1: say let's say they cut Dez Bryant within the next month. Well,
Speaker 1: then that gives you a month to sign a free
Speaker 1: agent to help bolster your receiver corps and then you
Speaker 1: can address it in the draft. So if they if
Speaker 1: they cut Dez, then yes, wide receiver immediately becomes a priority.
Speaker 1: But if they do it in a timely fashion, then
Speaker 1: they have time to address it before the draft. Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler interesting to come back then in that role wouldn't roll.
Speaker 1: But being like does Briant as a wide receiver role,
Speaker 1: he's not an ex NFL in my opinion, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about promoting a guy
Speaker 1: from fifteen catches on the season to my number one.
Speaker 1: I mean you as Bryce Butler and yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: But obviously I'm just asking though, is that is that?
Speaker 1: Is that the way you go mean is that you're
Speaker 1: you said you'd sign a veteran guy? Do you sign
Speaker 1: a guy? You know? I wouldn't view that as doing enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, unless I'm just throwing it out there, unless
Speaker 1: your hell been that have you seen the receiver free
Speaker 1: agent group by the way, I mean the Robinsons and
Speaker 1: guys like that at Robinson. Likely he probably gets tagged
Speaker 1: or something works out with Jackson. I'd be surprised if
Speaker 1: he's not a Jaguar. So I think we rule Alan
Speaker 1: Robinson off. Uh. But yeah, I mean there's there's a
Speaker 1: few names. Jordan Matthews from Buffalo. There's there's a few
Speaker 1: names out there, but none that really excite me about. Okay,
Speaker 1: if that happens, we're gonna go get this guy. Terrell
Speaker 1: Prior and Marquis guys, if you guys would like to
Speaker 1: sign a veteran band aid then and then draft right,
Speaker 1: I don't. I was just trying to say, is that
Speaker 1: is Is Butler a veteran band aid? Then not? That's
Speaker 1: one of the the guy. You know, if they tried
Speaker 1: to sell me, I'm not trying to convince this stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm just if they tried to sell that to me,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. You can't convince me that they
Speaker 1: should get rid of does So. I know I'm with
Speaker 1: you on that. And for the record, I'm starting to
Speaker 1: doubt myself, but I still think my idea is the
Speaker 1: best way for it. I'm I'm keeping des for at
Speaker 1: least another year if it's up to me. Oh, I was,
Speaker 1: I was dancing right with you on that one, Dave.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they would do anything different but that.
Speaker 1: But the kid, the draft does have some depth in it.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna see some of these guys, you know,
Speaker 1: you know here this week. Uh, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty talented group. Traditionally, wide receiver is the toughest position,
Speaker 1: maybe besides quarterback, to transition from the college ranks to
Speaker 1: the NFL. And so even if I mean, you draft
Speaker 1: the most polished receiver in this draft, Calvin Ridley for example,
Speaker 1: it's still gonna be there's gonna be a learning curve,
Speaker 1: There's no question. And so to cut does and to
Speaker 1: think you're gonna just replace that production, right, it's unrealistic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I the draft at least, Yeah, I just don't. Again,
Speaker 1: I was to the point I didn't see Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: going anywhere. But you know, I mean there's some tough
Speaker 1: talk going on right now, which and you know, Devil's advocate.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking of the amount of money they
Speaker 1: have right now, which doesn't seem like a lot. But
Speaker 1: if you cut Dez. The savings that you get from that,
Speaker 1: the savings that you could get from some restructures that Smith,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick, those kinds of guys, you could free up
Speaker 1: the money necessary to make a good enough signing to
Speaker 1: get you through. You know, and like I'm better than
Speaker 1: a Bryce Butler is what I'm saying. You can't sign
Speaker 1: a much better receiver than that if you took those steps.
Speaker 1: Whether or not they're gonna do it, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but if Dez isn't in your plans for twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: you gotta do something before the draft even gets here.
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you get Calvin Ridley. I don't
Speaker 1: like Calvin Ridley and Terrence Williams is not a better
Speaker 1: duo than Dez being on your team in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm sorry ahead, I say, real quick before
Speaker 1: we go next one back to say, if you real quick,
Speaker 1: would you entertain the possibility of trading up for Derwin
Speaker 1: James because I think we all agree he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be there at nineteen. Yes? Yes, So would you give
Speaker 1: up a second round pick to go up to, say ten,
Speaker 1: to get Derwin James? Oh crap? So I picked ten
Speaker 1: and then I don't pick again till eighty one. Well,
Speaker 1: actually I get Derwin. If we could get could you
Speaker 1: could you? Could you the straight two? The straight two
Speaker 1: would be Miami at eleven. Let's just say you can
Speaker 1: get it done at ten and say that's okay. Ten, Yeah,
Speaker 1: ten gets it done. Pay Back Buffalo, pay back forty
Speaker 1: nine ers or Oakland for doing that to you. So
Speaker 1: my secon my secondary in twenty eighteen is Cheeto Lewis,
Speaker 1: oh bunch of young cat. Stop smiling, stop smiling, Cheeto Lewis, Scandricker, Brown,
Speaker 1: Heath and Derwin. But you're you're giving up two pretty
Speaker 1: good players for we give it. What do you think
Speaker 1: is a great player? Yeah, you're giving up potentially you
Speaker 1: go to you go to that that ten pick at
Speaker 1: two and five. I hate, I hate the thought of
Speaker 1: giving up pick fifty. But I really like Derwin James.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd have to think long and hard
Speaker 1: about it. I think I might do it. I think
Speaker 1: I might do it. I like him a lot and
Speaker 1: answers a lot of defense. Do you do you? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's look at the teams in ahead of you. If
Speaker 1: you're thinking about Derwin James you know, you talked about
Speaker 1: my recent mock draft that I came out with this week.
Speaker 1: I had Derwin going seven seven to Tampa Tampa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's no guarantee he'll be there at ten, especially
Speaker 1: after he shuts down this place with what he does here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at Indy. See that's and you know you're looking at
Speaker 1: some teams potentially some mind fields, you know, yeah, Washington
Speaker 1: at thirteen. In places like that, you don't bank on it.
Speaker 1: But it's more of huh, he's still there at ten. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's see if we can get I'm glad to
Speaker 1: see though that you guys have come around to the
Speaker 1: go up idea. I don't know, but see, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we were not we were not. No,
Speaker 1: he's dipping his toe in the water. But no, no,
Speaker 1: all Hey, all I knew is that every time I
Speaker 1: talked about going up you two, would you wanted to
Speaker 1: go up for a guard? Yeah? Yeah, I said, I
Speaker 1: don't care best player. I'm trying to go up for
Speaker 1: a guy that, by the way, every position in the second,
Speaker 1: by the way, that guy that that that I like
Speaker 1: so much, I want to trade at fort measured at
Speaker 1: six five three twenty five ten in five eights, hands,
Speaker 1: thirty three and three quarters arms prototypical numbers. Yeah, Quintin Nelson?
Speaker 1: Can I remember that name? Can I put you on blast?
Speaker 1: Can I put you on blast real quick? Brian, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get mad at me. I'll never get mad at you.
Speaker 1: This morning, Brian, This morning, Brian. Um throughout the hypothesis
Speaker 1: that Quentin Nelson's going to be better than Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: which I mean just whether he's right or not, the
Speaker 1: fact that he even thinks that's possible says a lot
Speaker 1: about what he thinks about the guy. Soul Man's got
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy thoughts. I mean, he's the best
Speaker 1: player in the drift there, four time all pro yep,
Speaker 1: soon to be the highest paid let me tell you what.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what man, and I love me
Speaker 1: some Zach Martin. This kid, this kid special though he's
Speaker 1: Quintin Nelson special. Those are special measurements. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm not trading up for am I right there? Dane.
Speaker 1: So if say the Browns called and said we'll get
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to break Art, hey, would you give
Speaker 1: real quick though? Would you if the Browns called nasty.
Speaker 1: Would you give Zach Martin for the fourth overall pick? Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean, would you give up for the first overall pick?
Speaker 1: There would have to be someone that I'd really want
Speaker 1: if that, if that defensive like last year? Yeah, okay
Speaker 1: for Miles Garrett, Like yeah, what are you drafting in
Speaker 1: this draft? At the Cowboys need that's worth that? Because
Speaker 1: if you're just gonna take a Quentin Nelson, then not
Speaker 1: if you take those quarterbacks, that's we just opened a
Speaker 1: whole another Like, no, this draft shows going off the
Speaker 1: rails and we talking about drafting a quarterback. I'm just
Speaker 1: asking if if you get in the top if you
Speaker 1: get in the top four, oh sure, but is that
Speaker 1: really what you want to do? No that I don't
Speaker 1: want a quarterback. I don't need a run I don't
Speaker 1: need sae Quon Barkley. I don't need Quentin Nelson because
Speaker 1: I have Zach Martin. I don't need le Chub's not
Speaker 1: worth that trade. I'm sorry. I don't think he is
Speaker 1: the only way you guys talk big No, no, you
Speaker 1: say you say stupid stuff. That's well, wait, maybe, but
Speaker 1: I could get you to trade up for a guard
Speaker 1: who potentially could be an all pro or maybe better
Speaker 1: than the guard than that guy. No, no, okay, Dan
Speaker 1: and I are bargain hunt for our guard and keep
Speaker 1: our picks, and our offensive line will be almost just
Speaker 1: as talented be eight and eight. That's okay. A guard's
Speaker 1: not being a difference beween eating eight and ten and six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not. I try to get trade for a quarterback.
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Speaker 1: I know Dane Burgler and Joyces too because we get
Speaker 1: to interact with the fans. It's called Twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 1: So David take it away if you would please something.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones talked about that we didn't mention Brian, which
Speaker 1: he hasn't. The Cowboys have not decided which tender they're
Speaker 1: going to place on David Irving, but they are going
Speaker 1: to do it. You're guessing. I'm glad. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: said that Brian's giving us the two for the second round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't worry about the Cowboys. Would you give up David
Speaker 1: Irving for a second round book. I'll tell you what though.
Speaker 1: You know it's interesting because cash I sound like I
Speaker 1: never want to ride the fence. That's what you're doing, right. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking you're saying, no way, no way, no way.
Speaker 1: He's not no no way, no way, um the player.
Speaker 1: What he brings to me on the field? No, But
Speaker 1: you have to understand, I mean what fans have to
Speaker 1: understand is we don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: We don't know, you know, work ethic wise, buying into
Speaker 1: the culture. What can he bring to our team behind
Speaker 1: the scenes that that's a big part of it, and
Speaker 1: so we don't know that. But on the field, no,
Speaker 1: I would rather have David Irving than a second round pick.
Speaker 1: This takes me back to last summer. Wait, well, let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question then, can I can I
Speaker 1: interest you? What if pick is an early pick? What
Speaker 1: if it's uh yeah, but what if it's one of
Speaker 1: those picks. What if it's the Giant What if it's
Speaker 1: the Giants pick? You know, what if it's the Giants pick,
Speaker 1: say at thirty four, why doesn't it doesn't matter? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's appealing, but you're you don't get so you
Speaker 1: would pick you would pick it, you would pick a
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four and fifty. Why are you trying to
Speaker 1: get rid of it? I'm just as dominant pass fresher.
Speaker 1: He played eight games last year and he got seven
Speaker 1: sacks in those eight games. Sure, did you okay on
Speaker 1: the consistency? Could we get something for him? Here? Is
Speaker 1: your intent? Is your intent to sign him long terms?
Speaker 1: The factor in the equation this I'm asking a question.
Speaker 1: Do you do you get if you would you take
Speaker 1: the thirty fourth pick for for four years or or
Speaker 1: lose this guy potentially to free agency? What's your intent
Speaker 1: of signing him? If you wanted to, if you really
Speaker 1: wanted to resign him, you would tend to him one absolutely.
Speaker 1: And the fact the fact that they're probably not going
Speaker 1: to tells you that I mean it gives you a
Speaker 1: pretty clear I'm not and I'm not again, guys, Hey,
Speaker 1: trust me out there, I am not. This is Brian
Speaker 1: brought us talking to say, Brian brought us to saddle
Speaker 1: up to Will McClay and I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: the strategy. I'm just I'm just playing the other side
Speaker 1: of it because I'm here in two knows, But is
Speaker 1: the long term plan to sign David Irvin? I hear
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 1: their plan is with that, and it would probably cost
Speaker 1: them a lot, But you gotta keep you gotta keep
Speaker 1: him mind franchise tag uh, you gotta keep it. We
Speaker 1: don't know what he's gonna do this year, and I'm
Speaker 1: just way more willing to roll the dice and hope
Speaker 1: that this guy plays as well as he has because, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what this team has been looking for forever,
Speaker 1: isn't it? Dominant past? Absolutely the one they develop one,
Speaker 1: they do all this work to get him, and then
Speaker 1: they just don't want him anymore. I disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I'd have to feel pretty confident that, look, we know
Speaker 1: we're not going to resign him regardless of what happens
Speaker 1: next year. You're trying to give you a player that
Speaker 1: you could maybe have for four years. If that and
Speaker 1: if if that's my mindset is, I know I'm not
Speaker 1: going to resign him to a long term deal no
Speaker 1: matter what happens, then yeah, I mean, I entertain it. Again.
Speaker 1: We don't love David or I do. I'm with you. Guys.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to play the other side of this though.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get you to say the Colts, we talk,
Speaker 1: how about the Colts. That's another team. You get a
Speaker 1: defensive thirty five? What pick number was DeMarcus Lawrence? I
Speaker 1: think he was thirty four? Thirty four? Was thirty four?
Speaker 1: How many years did it take him to blossom into
Speaker 1: a badass? Sure, yeah, you got a badass on your
Speaker 1: team right now? Why? I like, but if you only
Speaker 1: have him for one year, worry about that when he's
Speaker 1: done posting twelve sacks next year? Well, and that's the
Speaker 1: question you have to ask yourself is how likely is
Speaker 1: it that you're going to resign him based on what
Speaker 1: we know right now? I get that, But what's what's
Speaker 1: the situation? I mean, again, you're gonna have You're gonna
Speaker 1: have Lawrence under on a one year deal too right
Speaker 1: now to pay him. Can can we just worry about
Speaker 1: that after we have sixty sacks next year? That's and
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. It's not I get
Speaker 1: your thinking long term, and that's smart, but I'm sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta think short term. I think sometimes you get like,
Speaker 1: who what's going to give us the best chance to win.
Speaker 1: What's feasible after the season's over. What's the amount of like,
Speaker 1: what's what are the odds that this guy is going
Speaker 1: to this thirty hypothetical thirty fourth pick is going to
Speaker 1: be better than the defensive tackle who's capable of just
Speaker 1: wrecking a backfield. There's no question. And I don't you
Speaker 1: going to pay? Yeah, you're playing the odds. You don't
Speaker 1: know that though, what I mean, what if he plays
Speaker 1: sixteen games next year and post a double digit sacks
Speaker 1: and you're okay, sign him over. We just signed him
Speaker 1: over lords, I don't know. I mean, and to your
Speaker 1: to the point the Cowboys, which we don't know if
Speaker 1: that's going to happen, but they've made a ton of
Speaker 1: noise thinking that or saying that they want to sign
Speaker 1: him long term, like they're not they're not being no
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence. True. So if you can get a deal
Speaker 1: done with DeMarcus Lawrence in twenty eighteen, then you don't
Speaker 1: even have to make this decision. It's gonna cost you
Speaker 1: over probably seventeen a year, sixteen seventeen a year for
Speaker 1: oh yeah, for sure, but it'll be a lower hit
Speaker 1: because of the way. It's structure, sure, and then what's
Speaker 1: the franchise tag on a defensive tackle. It's lower than
Speaker 1: end Yeah, probably not too much, probably fifteen sixteen. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying you can handle this. You could. I hate
Speaker 1: the thought of just letting this guy walk out the door.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, what if he walks out the
Speaker 1: door and you get nothing? That's kind of the yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not That's what I'm trying to be. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to let him walk out the door. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a right answer to this, but it's
Speaker 1: just it's frustrating, and we love David Irving. The problem is, though,
Speaker 1: is he consistent enough? And can you pay him? If
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay Lawrence, can you pay him? You know?
Speaker 1: And you know that's that's gonna be the trick because
Speaker 1: if you don't pay him, he's gonna go to the
Speaker 1: highest bidder. It's frustrating the thing and you're not going
Speaker 1: to get anything for it. How much effort this team
Speaker 1: has put into finding pass rushers and then they've got
Speaker 1: a really good one in there, just like we might
Speaker 1: not want to get. Could I get you one in
Speaker 1: that that pick thirty five from Indianapolis. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: four years he might be a really good player. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just saying I just wouldn't really mean for
Speaker 1: that to turn in to what it did. No, it's
Speaker 1: it's a good discussion, yeah, said a Twitter question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who was it from? Mark? Thanks? Mark, a good job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good one. Uh, all right, Connor's got an either or
Speaker 1: for you, Um, Marcus Davenport in the first or Comoco
Speaker 1: Toire in the second. Okay, we're worried about Toure's injuries.
Speaker 1: Right shoulder, right shoulder. Yeah, Um, I'm worried about Terre
Speaker 1: just in generalize as a player. I mean, you love
Speaker 1: the the speed, you love the athleticism off the edge
Speaker 1: I've got I've got Davenport ahead of him. Sure, but
Speaker 1: it's the I think everybody does. That's the point. It's
Speaker 1: the value. What you want one at nineteen or the
Speaker 1: other at fifty. I would take Davenport in the first.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I would too. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to do these without knowing. You know, if
Speaker 1: you take Terrey in the second, who would be your first?
Speaker 1: You know who's available. But I think just I would
Speaker 1: take the better player, the better pass rusher. And that's
Speaker 1: what if what if Hubbard was available in the first Yeah, Hubbart,
Speaker 1: Herbert or or Davenport. I have Davenport over Hubbard. Yeah
Speaker 1: Hubbard Ohio State? Oh oh oh yeah, Okay, that's who
Speaker 1: is probably more ready to play immediately. But I think
Speaker 1: Davenport's the better play long term. He's got a higher
Speaker 1: ceiling than Hubbard has um Who do you have higher
Speaker 1: in your board? Oh no, I'm Davenport over Hubbard, I am,
Speaker 1: and might have him over to Ray. And again Dane
Speaker 1: even talked about this though. That shoulder is a concern
Speaker 1: for Tray. I think you're gonna I think you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to seriously dig in on him. Good looking,
Speaker 1: his sophomore and junior years nothing, I mean they were
Speaker 1: wasted years. And then he played okay as a senior,
Speaker 1: but still uh not enough that I would take the
Speaker 1: better player, the better pass rusher, and that's Davenport. Yeah. Spencer, good.
Speaker 1: Good question from the first segment on the show. Spencer
Speaker 1: wants to know other than Derwin James, assuming by Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones does move to corner, other than Derwin James, which
Speaker 1: safety is in this draft. Would you think could start
Speaker 1: over the Cowboys current personnel. So that would be I
Speaker 1: mean you over Xavier Woods over Fraser. Really, that's a
Speaker 1: good question. I would say those two because I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I think Jeff Heath has a starting job
Speaker 1: lockdown as far as I'm concerned. But so who who
Speaker 1: other than Derwin would you think could beat out Woods
Speaker 1: and Frasier Ronnie Harrison? That's what I was thinking, Alabama safety,
Speaker 1: Uh do you trust him enough in coverage or at
Speaker 1: least compared to what the Cowboys having the roster? Now? See,
Speaker 1: then that's the that's the thing I've bad it is
Speaker 1: I would Galden is my guy because I think the
Speaker 1: guy you stole my guy, I did steal your guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're You're absolutely right about that. But we're on the
Speaker 1: same scouting staff here are You just happened to go
Speaker 1: to the area before me. You get Knoxville before I did.
Speaker 1: Scouts a very territory, are very territorial. I will say
Speaker 1: this though, if you want to say who's the better
Speaker 1: cover guy, who is the better cover guy maybe in
Speaker 1: physicality being equal that I say that's but if you
Speaker 1: want to play with the cover guy guy, that that
Speaker 1: could play slot now again, he does similar things that
Speaker 1: he does, similar things that Xavier Woods does up to
Speaker 1: about Golden, but not opinion better tackler, a much more
Speaker 1: physical player. Yeah, I think so too. So to me,
Speaker 1: I think that if they're if the Cowboys are committed
Speaker 1: to playing with young guys like they showed last year, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no problem playing with Harrison Golden, any one
Speaker 1: of those guys. Throw them on the field. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's say got the top three, Yeah, Derwin, Ronnie, Harrison Golden.
Speaker 1: After those top three, any safeties stand out to you
Speaker 1: as players? Alan, I think, I think, I think if
Speaker 1: you had to play allan Penn State down in the box,
Speaker 1: I think he could do. But I got Byron Jones
Speaker 1: doing that. That's my Byron Jones. Guy. I need somebody
Speaker 1: to play in the back end and cover and zone.
Speaker 1: The way they play wake Forest play is very similar
Speaker 1: that Number two play that a single high. When you
Speaker 1: watch bits play for what a wake Forest, he does
Speaker 1: play very deep and he comes forward. That's his game.
Speaker 1: That's his game he keeps, that's his deal. So maybe
Speaker 1: he could be a starter if you said, okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna interchange. You know, if if Heath goes down, or
Speaker 1: or Byron Jones goes down. Whoever, you could play Bates
Speaker 1: deep and he I think he would be a better
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods in my opinion. I'd agree with that. And
Speaker 1: I'd also throw out Jordan Whitehead as a play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yet that's your guy, That's right. I haven't been to
Speaker 1: pit yet. Luke wants to know. We watched, We watched. No,
Speaker 1: I know, but I need I need to do. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Luke wants to know. All right, don't answer for yourselves.
Speaker 1: He wants you to put on your Cowboys hats. What
Speaker 1: round do you see the Cowboys being willing to start
Speaker 1: looking at running back? I've I've said I would draft
Speaker 1: one in the third round. I don't really think they
Speaker 1: would do I don't think so. I think anywhere on
Speaker 1: the day on Day three, anywhere on day anywhere in
Speaker 1: fourth round own, yeah, I think anywhere anywhere in Day three.
Speaker 1: You get to see who's available for you in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, and if your best player is a running back,
Speaker 1: I think they'd do that if I would be And Walton,
Speaker 1: Kelly is at who we're kind of talking about Walton
Speaker 1: or Kelly Walton about Penny. I think Walton will be gone.
Speaker 1: I think he's a Day two player. Kelly. Yeah, see,
Speaker 1: possibly he could be right about Walton though, if it's
Speaker 1: if it's just beyond obvious that the best guy on
Speaker 1: the boards is running back, Sure, but like I would be,
Speaker 1: I'd be moderately surprised if they draft a running back
Speaker 1: in the fourth Tell you what, watching Penny play, he's
Speaker 1: he's got some skill. Oh yeah, but he's got but
Speaker 1: the pass block. Uh well, I mean, let's just say,
Speaker 1: like a freegency, they address left guard. Uh and in
Speaker 1: the first round they go you're saying, the first three
Speaker 1: rounds they get their nose tackle, they get let's say
Speaker 1: a linebacker, a linebacker, and a safety just going on defense.
Speaker 1: Balls to the wall. So right, first pick on Day three,
Speaker 1: you have your left guard. I mean, you could go
Speaker 1: offensive line depth. They could use some of that Corbett
Speaker 1: what they have too late for Corbett? Right they have
Speaker 1: they have two fourths. Now that keeps saying Corbett, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's a Day three guy and he's really not. No,
Speaker 1: he's not. Yeah, goada give me. I mean Kelly at
Speaker 1: one sixteen, John Kelly, that's fine with Darrell Williams. You're
Speaker 1: the one that sent fourth was early for him. I
Speaker 1: would do it. I have a fourth on him. I
Speaker 1: would take him in the fourth. Bring it on, you
Speaker 1: take him over Kelly. No, we got Kelly and then
Speaker 1: Williams back to back in the fourth. Just I'll do
Speaker 1: I'll cart wheel around the studio if Daryl Williams is
Speaker 1: a pick for this team. Sean Pabe told me a
Speaker 1: great story yesterday about Camara. Yeah, he was talking about
Speaker 1: he challenged the scouts because the scouts fell in love
Speaker 1: with McCaffrey, just totally fell in love with McCaffrey. And
Speaker 1: Sean tells the story about he goes, I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: he goes, the guy I really like is Camara, And
Speaker 1: he challenged the scouts to tell him something bad about
Speaker 1: Camara and of those guys could do And he goes,
Speaker 1: when we're gonna take kicked out of Alabama? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's you know which, But no, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it tell me something bad about him as a player.
Speaker 1: But yeah, on the field, yeah yeah. And if the
Speaker 1: Scout if they had done that, let's say, if they
Speaker 1: take McCaffrey, Now you don't have Marshawn Lattimore, defensive rookie
Speaker 1: of the year, and by drafting McCaffrey, you don't need
Speaker 1: a running back, so you don't draft the offensive rookie
Speaker 1: of the year either. Yeah, that's exactly right. There is
Speaker 1: why the draft is so badass, Like just one conversation,
Speaker 1: is the difference between a team drafting the defensive and
Speaker 1: offensive rookie of the year in the same weekend. They
Speaker 1: would have had a trade up to get McCaffrey by
Speaker 1: a pick, right, or say McCaffrey went seven. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought I thought nine or ten. I thought McCaffrey went
Speaker 1: ten and Lattimore went eleven a Lattimore one eleven, I
Speaker 1: believe whatever, Yes it was seven and eleven. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: Myhomes went ten. The draft is awesome. That's really what
Speaker 1: if because they were ready to take Mahomes at ten? Hey,
Speaker 1: can I throw Can I throw some real quick numbers
Speaker 1: at you for this? Real quick numbers? Will Hernandez, you
Speaker 1: tap measurements, big old dude, six O two three three
Speaker 1: twenty seven's thirteen pounds later. That's then and the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl right arm linked hands of ninety seven eights, arm
Speaker 1: link of thirty two. That's I'm gonna give you Isaiah
Speaker 1: win real quick six oh two six three thirteen eight
Speaker 1: and a half hands, thirty three and three eight's arms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: smaller hands than you want. But I gotta be a
Speaker 1: bad coal weather quarterback with those hands. I know, I
Speaker 1: get why hands are important for a lot of positions.
Speaker 1: Why are they important for a guard? You're going to
Speaker 1: blot this isn't nineteen seventy three with you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if an electric football man, if you if you've
Speaker 1: got if you've got insane power, I mean powers power,
Speaker 1: he's a good player, just real quick, two of another
Speaker 1: one throughout a guy Connor Williams by the way, Texas
Speaker 1: Texas six o five one two ninety six, ten and
Speaker 1: a half hands, thirty three arms, just to give you
Speaker 1: ninety he's gonna be a guard for some teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it give you an idea, can give me Walton the
Speaker 1: two running backs, we were talking out real quick. Just
Speaker 1: I know it took over myself. No, no, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just wanting. I just like to talk about measurements,
Speaker 1: because that's that's what scouts did. They're boring to me,
Speaker 1: they are, well maybe not to you. To me, they're not.
Speaker 1: John Kelly is five o nine seven two sixteen nine
Speaker 1: and three eight's hands thirty one in three eight's arms.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people watch this instead of
Speaker 1: just listened to it. But if you're not watching, Brian
Speaker 1: is delivering these measurements with like just this, this gusta,
Speaker 1: like this is the most fascinating thing he's ever said.
Speaker 1: Like he's leaning in on Dane. Every time he gives
Speaker 1: a number, he gets it. That's why, that's why I'm
Speaker 1: leaning in the day when we get this combine sheet
Speaker 1: and get to see them all in front of you.
Speaker 1: Just started Mark Walton five O nine five, So okay,
Speaker 1: we have five oh nine seven with Kelly five O
Speaker 1: nine five with Walton two O two so we got
Speaker 1: fourteen number. We got a fourteen pound difference between the two.
Speaker 1: He was one ninety during the season. For him to
Speaker 1: get up to two o two, he's a big deal
Speaker 1: for Mark Walton nine and a quarter hands, thirty arms. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just want to get a few measuables in there.
Speaker 1: We got time for one more question. You surely do, David,
Speaker 1: I think we do. Can't we ken't Garrison, Executive producer,
Speaker 1: By the way, A question I really like from our
Speaker 1: buddy jonah Um not talking about the interviews and the
Speaker 1: you know, the intangibles, but in strictly in terms of
Speaker 1: what they're gonna be doing on the field. Who's a
Speaker 1: prospect that you think that has the most to lose
Speaker 1: while they're up here, most to lose? You know what?
Speaker 1: If anyway, Yeah, let me tell you this though, can
Speaker 1: Um Courtland sunn Yeah? Yeah, if he runs a four
Speaker 1: or five eight something like that, I'm not gonna help
Speaker 1: with the worries about his speed and ability to separate.
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't do well in the short short
Speaker 1: area agility drills, that's not gonna help him. A lot's
Speaker 1: riding on Courtland Sun and how he works out. Let's
Speaker 1: tell you this. I'll go the opposite approach here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, if any one of these quarterbacks the top
Speaker 1: ones throw, scouts will not ding him for that. Scouts
Speaker 1: love the competitive aspect of this. They want the guys
Speaker 1: to show up, and hey, some guys have reasons for
Speaker 1: the doing their own workouts and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, though, I feel like though Cam
Speaker 1: Newton in two eleven or yeah, first growing performance at Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was not it was not as good as you
Speaker 1: as you thought, what if I'm trying to think about
Speaker 1: the about those first round like the first round offensive
Speaker 1: lineman maybe or maybe you mentioned wide receivers. Is that
Speaker 1: the one area where you think that if they work out,
Speaker 1: that they're gonna the speed. But people go back to
Speaker 1: those workouts, People go back, they'll they'll make a trip
Speaker 1: back to Dallas to run that kid again. You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you like the kid, you'll go do that.
Speaker 1: But I like what you're saying, though. If Sudden doesn't
Speaker 1: do well, you got to make sure you go. Kirk
Speaker 1: is another one in Texas, A and M. You know,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't run, I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that think pretty highly of him. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: things don't work out well for him, is it going
Speaker 1: to be Well, he's just what he is. He's a
Speaker 1: slot player only and that kind of stuff, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not enters into the conversation. Any of these cornerbacks do
Speaker 1: that for you. Video's cornerbacks make it make it that
Speaker 1: if they have a bad workout. You know, Jackson from Iowa, Uh, Alexander,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Das from Davis from a bigger
Speaker 1: guy who's not gonna win with blazing speed. That's not
Speaker 1: his game. I was gonna talk about a linebacker. I thought,
Speaker 1: Josie Jewel, Josie Jwel, I knew you're going that route.
Speaker 1: That's a player that needs to He's not gonna be
Speaker 1: the best athlete here, He's not. He still look just
Speaker 1: can't be the worst it is. It's gonna look it's
Speaker 1: gonna bad. No he is. But you watch the tape
Speaker 1: and the guy makes plays well. And here here's another one.
Speaker 1: He's a four eight guy. Maybe you have Orlando Brown's
Speaker 1: measurements in front of you. I do tell us the
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown's measurement, Orlando Browns measurements. Oklahoma tackle six Z
Speaker 1: seven seven three forty five. That's a big boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: ninety three quarters hand with a wingspan. Uh it's thirty
Speaker 1: five arms. Okay, when the span was like, how about
Speaker 1: how about talk about a guy measured him pretty well?
Speaker 1: About Crosby from Oregon six h four five, three h
Speaker 1: nine ten and three quarter hands, thirty five and a
Speaker 1: quarter arms. That's your swing tackle day from Oregon. I
Speaker 1: mean you gotta take him pretty early, though, don't you know?
Speaker 1: It's here like you're right, Yeah, you're right. I was
Speaker 1: trying to be. I'm not trying to draft my swing
Speaker 1: tackle until like pick one, thirty five or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Have you hope he's there at fifty four? You Yeah,
Speaker 1: But what I was going for with the Lardo Brown, Yes,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that he's gonna look bad working out well. Again,
Speaker 1: he will not be the best athlete moves. He just
Speaker 1: can't be the worst athlete here. Yeah, he has to
Speaker 1: at least look capable in these in the mirror drills
Speaker 1: in you know, just the short agility, don't labor, don't labor,
Speaker 1: don't be the laboring guy. He's got heavy feet, there's
Speaker 1: no fee. He just has to not look like he's
Speaker 1: just a fish out of water, uh during these drills.
Speaker 1: And so he can compensate with that wide base the
Speaker 1: wing span. But he cannot be one of the worst
Speaker 1: athletes one the offensive lineman here. Bob the Billy prices
Speaker 1: thirty two in charms the center from Ohio State. Not ideal,
Speaker 1: but I think it's expected based on tape and belly
Speaker 1: blockerty that that guy gets real close and kind of
Speaker 1: belly to belly block guy, that he'll lunch, she'll fall forward,
Speaker 1: he'll be over aggressed. If he doesn't have the length,
Speaker 1: and it's one of the reasons why James Daniels is
Speaker 1: the top center for both of us. I got you okay, well,
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Speaker 1: the clock. We're back here from the Combine, Indianapolis, almost
Speaker 1: to the STBBC Morket Studios, which is our home away
Speaker 1: from home, or is our home? This is our HomeAway.
Speaker 1: This is our home away from Like, what is this
Speaker 1: the fourth year we've done this from the Combine leap?
Speaker 1: So this is my twenty sixth combine. Let's talking with
Speaker 1: Stephen Thomas, our good buddy here with us, and I
Speaker 1: was telling him about half my life has been spent
Speaker 1: here walking around the streets of Indianapolis. Great city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a great city. We're glad to be here.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned, though, offensive lineman and running backs will
Speaker 1: be the talk of the day. The running backs will
Speaker 1: be the first group tomorrow at two o'clock at the
Speaker 1: podium here, so you'll probably seen a lot of tweets, guys,
Speaker 1: Dane does a really good job. If you're not already
Speaker 1: following DP Brugler, follow him because he does a great job.
Speaker 1: This is what I really appreciate. And I retweet a
Speaker 1: lot of your stuff. What kids say. You know, some
Speaker 1: little draft nugget that a kid is working out or
Speaker 1: he's you know, some little things, some little thing you
Speaker 1: might not know about a kid you come up with.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love when you do that. We
Speaker 1: got a few valuable things from the podium today with
Speaker 1: some of the general managers. John Elway at the podium
Speaker 1: saying how he's like me, you can't evaluate quarterbacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though his resume looks a little better. We had
Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings he had. He won a few Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: He's got multiple But anyway, he got a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame jacket. His team requested that Baker Mayfield would be
Speaker 1: on their team, coached by their coaches at the Senior Bolts.
Speaker 1: At the podium, he said he didn't really get a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to Baker may Yeah, which is a
Speaker 1: interesting thought there. I don't know why, but he did
Speaker 1: say that he anticipated Baker Mayfield being one of their
Speaker 1: thirty visits, which I thought that was interesting. When we
Speaker 1: then verse still in the mix for Kirk Cousins, you
Speaker 1: know what's going on there, So that was interesting to
Speaker 1: put that out there. He also said Josh Rosen would
Speaker 1: be one of the top thirty visits. So it's like
Speaker 1: the way to take a pack twelve quarterback? Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: elway given a little bit away there, and then Dave
Speaker 1: Gettlman at the podium New York, New York Giants knew
Speaker 1: GM right. He mentioned how the the running back position,
Speaker 1: how it's a complete myth that you can't take a
Speaker 1: running back high. He said, if he's the best player
Speaker 1: in this draft, you take him. And he kind of
Speaker 1: put the number two pick a little uh, created some
Speaker 1: I think some high expectations, saying it should be a
Speaker 1: future Hall of famer, uh, things like along those lines.
Speaker 1: So whoever the Giants drafted better at number at number two,
Speaker 1: better be ready to reach some high expectation. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna take him there. Sorry, it's not happening. I can't
Speaker 1: wait till the draft night and they hand that card in.
Speaker 1: I'm a riot at you when that happened. Wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a bad pick. I just I don't think getleman. I'm
Speaker 1: just I think I think Berkeley Chubb or one of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. And Okay, as from a Cowboys perspective, do
Speaker 1: you I know you don't want to see Barkeley in
Speaker 1: this division? Not really. I mean let's just say, forget us.
Speaker 1: I could take Gallman to tackle him. There's no such thing. Well,
Speaker 1: there's not such thing as a top five pick that
Speaker 1: you want to see in your division. I mean, it's true.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see Bradley Chubb twice a year either.
Speaker 1: If you have to lessen the blow, Wentz. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's my point. Yeah, exact sounds like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a nightmare. But if you have to lessen the blow
Speaker 1: a little bit, would you want who would you rather
Speaker 1: see end up at the number two pick? Barkley Chubb
Speaker 1: or Josh Rosen? Oh? Oh man? Uh, probably Chubb because
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just used to the Giants having good
Speaker 1: defensive ends anyway, So what else is now? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: plus the Cowboys have invested in their own lines I've
Speaker 1: gone on record with you guys. I've gone on record
Speaker 1: saying I think Rosen's Matt Ryan. I think it's a
Speaker 1: it's a very good conversed to keep him out of
Speaker 1: the East. Yeah, I mean I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think the tape's terrible on on Rosen. But again,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so fascinated hear what the buzz is
Speaker 1: going to be. We talked about that Monday when we said, remember,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start hearing Gil Brand's gonna go her. Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen interviewed poorly. Questions were hard on him, They didn't
Speaker 1: like tough coaching, you know, all that. So I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna leak out, you know, because we're all question
Speaker 1: I mean, did I compare him to I compared to Ryan.
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of worried about him being Joey Harrington,
Speaker 1: which is my albatross. I almost said that the guy
Speaker 1: that might not like football, you know, I almost said,
Speaker 1: I almost said I'd prefer they draft Rosen. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna be a bust, but quarterbacks have a
Speaker 1: way higher chance of being a bust, and that would
Speaker 1: be great hits. Okay, let's ask this, then what's the
Speaker 1: bust factor on Chubb real? Yeah, a top ten defensive
Speaker 1: end and less. I mean, unless it's a crazy game.
Speaker 1: Unless I'm just saying, unless it's a couple of times,
Speaker 1: McGlinchey might be the best tackle this draft. I guess
Speaker 1: my point like, if we think if he's a if
Speaker 1: he's a hit, he's a double digit sack guy for
Speaker 1: the next four years. If he's a bust, even if
Speaker 1: he's a bust, he's probably still producing for your defensive line,
Speaker 1: you hope. So unless it's just a crazy circumstance like
Speaker 1: you know, like a Randy Gregory or something like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's getting suspended in stuff. You would think even a
Speaker 1: bust of a top ten defensive end is going to
Speaker 1: be getting a handful of sacks a year. So do
Speaker 1: you think Barkley could have the same effect that with
Speaker 1: with with Zekad with the Giants. I don't know about
Speaker 1: the same effect, but he could come pretty darn close.
Speaker 1: I like offensive rookie of the Year absolutely, I mean,
Speaker 1: no two front offices think the same way, But like
Speaker 1: go I mean, go back to this show two years ago.
Speaker 1: We're like, you don't need to draft Carson wentz. Romo's there,
Speaker 1: he's not that old. They got this offensive line they drafted,
Speaker 1: they drafted Zeke for Romo well and well, Eli mannings
Speaker 1: younger now than Romo was at that time, I believe,
Speaker 1: so thirty seven and roll them out there with a
Speaker 1: badass running back and help fix up that offensive line.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Barkley could be good for them. The
Speaker 1: Giants at two are really they're fascinating. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think we all think quarterback one to the brown Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what I what I wanted to say when you brought
Speaker 1: that up is that it's so interesting to me because
Speaker 1: it could all change in the next month with the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are available in free agency and the teams
Speaker 1: that need him. I mean, the Broncos seemed like a
Speaker 1: candidate for a quarterback right now. They might not be
Speaker 1: in a month. Same goes for the Jets. The feeling
Speaker 1: the Browns are going to try to sign a free
Speaker 1: agent quarterback, but they will, they could. I think they
Speaker 1: will because they don't want whoever they take at number
Speaker 1: one starting from day one. But yeah, and the quarterback dominoes,
Speaker 1: I mean, first Kirk Cousins and then you know, we
Speaker 1: go from there. Case Keenum and the rest of the
Speaker 1: aj mccarreen, the rest of the guys, your whole, your
Speaker 1: whole top ten could change based on what these teams
Speaker 1: do in free agent. If you're a Cowboy fan, you
Speaker 1: don't want you don't want Cousins to go before you
Speaker 1: did any one of those teams though. You want him
Speaker 1: to go to Minnesota. Who's picking after you? So everybody
Speaker 1: still stays in line for potential quarterbacks. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: want to drive somebody to you and you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do a lot of a lot of hope and
Speaker 1: to get somebody t at nineteen. Yeah, but it's happened.
Speaker 1: I mean we've Lamar Jackson's the wild card. See, well
Speaker 1: we I had this conversation because they have me on Arnold,
Speaker 1: they had me on Cowboys Break this morning, and do
Speaker 1: you want I think there's two ways to look at it.
Speaker 1: You could hope for a quarterback to fall so somebody
Speaker 1: wants to trade. Or you could also just hope they
Speaker 1: all go, because that's five picks that aren't going toward
Speaker 1: a guy you want take five and ten. Give me
Speaker 1: a couple of runners to go too. If all five
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks go before the Cowboys pick. I'm starting
Speaker 1: to think maybe Roquan Smith or Derwin James has a
Speaker 1: chance to be there, or at the very least they'll
Speaker 1: be an arrange that I feel comfortable trading. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So my hope that my hope is, come on, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: have an awesome combine. Yeah, my hope there is some people.
Speaker 1: My hope is that that not everybody likes Roquan Smith.
Speaker 1: That the measurables, that's a measurable that's my hope. If
Speaker 1: the measurables, if he's not for everybody, let's he's not
Speaker 1: gonna fit in the box. That a lot of teams.
Speaker 1: Just that's the fun thing too. If you go back
Speaker 1: to our first show, Oh yeah, we were taught like
Speaker 1: we're like, Roquan's not a possibility and Derwin James is.
Speaker 1: And by the time we get home from the combine,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Derwin James is off the board and
Speaker 1: Roquan's a possibility exactly. All right, Well, hey, listen, that's
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Speaker 1: so for my Scott and buddies, Dane Burglar, for David Hellman,
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