Speaker 1: Hey, everyone thinks as always for tuning in. As we
Speaker 1: hurdle headlong toward twenty twenty four, we are taking some
Speaker 1: time to prep some new adventures, which means we'll have
Speaker 1: a couple more classics coming out. We'll do two a
Speaker 1: week for a little while. But folks believe us. They're
Speaker 1: all bangers, and this one is. This one's a personal favorite.
Speaker 1: I think it's something we talked about a lot off air,
Speaker 1: and it eventually became an episode. Did Buzz altern se
Speaker 1: a UFO did?
Speaker 2: He? Indeed? And he kind of started spelling the tea
Speaker 2: a little later in life, didn't he talking about some
Speaker 2: things he recalled that he never really talked about publicly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in two thousand and nine he went on c
Speaker 3: SPAN and talked about a monolith on Phobos, one of
Speaker 3: the moons of Mars.
Speaker 2: Se spam, that's where you go to get to get
Speaker 2: like clicks. Let's drop the news on c SPAN.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the government TMZ for sure.
Speaker 3: So you just dropped it was nothing like he really did.
Speaker 2: He really did.
Speaker 1: And we saw in twenty eighteen that different news outlets,
Speaker 1: not just C Span, started saying buzz Aldrin had some
Speaker 1: secret observations and like you said, Noel. Later in life,
Speaker 1: as a lot of people do, he became increasingly forthcoming
Speaker 1: about stuff that might have been controversial or still is
Speaker 1: honestly well.
Speaker 2: And then then the scuttle BI was like, has buzz
Speaker 2: Aldron lost his mind? You know?
Speaker 4: Is he sundowning?
Speaker 2: Like what is going on? Or is there some veracity
Speaker 2: to these claims.
Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
Speaker 5: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 5: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: My name is Matt, my name is Nolan.
Speaker 4: They called me Ben.
Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul
Speaker 1: Mission Control decand which will be a very appropriate name
Speaker 1: for today's episode. Absolutely most importantly, folks, thanks for dropping in.
Speaker 1: You are you, and you are here and that makes
Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. A quick
Speaker 1: question for all of us and then everyone listening as well.
Speaker 1: When you were a kid, did you ever think of
Speaker 1: being an astronaut when you grew up?
Speaker 3: I thought of nothing else.
Speaker 2: We have talked about the fact that everyone went to space.
Speaker 3: Camp and me yep, and you got your shirt it
Speaker 3: was too small though, I know I saw that. Sorry,
Speaker 3: but we can cut it up and turn it into
Speaker 3: something else.
Speaker 2: It's cause give it to my child. There you go,
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe it'll get her to aspire to go
Speaker 2: to space camp on our own one day.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And to your point, to your point, definitely,
Speaker 3: being an astronaut, thinking of exploring the unexplored like that that,
Speaker 3: I think that's a dream of a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a dream job. I mean, just imagine you
Speaker 1: literally go where almost no one has ever gone before,
Speaker 1: and no matter how abstract or inconsequential your mission might
Speaker 1: seem to the contemporary public, in a very real way,
Speaker 1: if you are an astronaut, you are paving humanity's path
Speaker 1: to the stars. Even if you're the world's worst astronaut,
Speaker 1: which I think we talked about on a previous.
Speaker 2: I mean, even being the world's worst astronaut, you're no slouch.
Speaker 4: Right right, it's still pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But all the other astronauts know, because I'm sure if.
Speaker 2: There's a list, do you think they keep tabs?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: Sure, like Steve is the worst one.
Speaker 4: I hope.
Speaker 1: So I've been you know, we've talked about this off
Speaker 1: era I've been obsessed with this idea for a while,
Speaker 1: the idea that's somewhere there is the world's worst astronaut.
Speaker 1: Because it's such a small group or a small community,
Speaker 1: everyone knows it's like Steve or Derek or something. They're
Speaker 1: getting their orders to go on the mission. They're like,
Speaker 1: all right, this all sounds great, and go, oh, one
Speaker 1: more thing. Derek's gonna be on the squad and they're all.
Speaker 2: Like, ah, he's always opening his diet coke and zero
Speaker 2: gravity gets everywhere. It gets all in the instruments and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's not a pretty scene.
Speaker 1: Always hitting on the server at Applebee's by saying he's
Speaker 1: an astronaut and then trying to get a discount.
Speaker 2: I mean, a very few can actually use that pickup
Speaker 2: line and be speaking the truth. So we'll give Steve
Speaker 2: that that's true.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 1: Steve and Derek sound like they are in a contest.
Speaker 1: I always picture the world's worst astronaut is Derek. But
Speaker 1: right in and let us know what you think the
Speaker 1: world's worst astronaut.
Speaker 2: Where do you think ranks?
Speaker 4: Oh, he's near the top as a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the level of entry is just so high
Speaker 1: to be an astroga, and you know, to be absolutely fair,
Speaker 1: the difference in degree between the worst and the best
Speaker 1: here is hopefully very small. Yes, they've got high standards,
Speaker 1: But today's episode is about astronauts. In fact, it's about
Speaker 1: one of the most famous astronauts in the world, Buzz Aldrin.
Speaker 1: Everyone calls him Buzz. His real name is Edwin Eugene
Speaker 1: Aldrin Junior. But you know, Buzz, that's cool, objectively cooler, agreed,
Speaker 1: objectively cooler. That's part of the it's part of what
Speaker 1: they look for in astronauts, right. He was born on
Speaker 1: January twentieth, nineteen thirty, in Montclair, New Jersey. His father
Speaker 1: was a colonel in the US Air Force and encouraged
Speaker 1: his interest in flight from a very very young age,
Speaker 1: so much so that he graduated high school one year early.
Speaker 1: Attended the Military Academy at West Point, where he earned
Speaker 1: a BS and mechanical engineering. Joined the Air Force after graduation.
Speaker 1: He flew F eighty six sabers in sixty six combat
Speaker 1: missions and shot down two MiGs. He was decorated with
Speaker 1: the Distinguished Flying Cross.
Speaker 4: He flew F.
Speaker 1: One hundreds in Germany and then he went back to
Speaker 1: school earned a doctorate and science in astronautics at MIT
Speaker 1: and wrote this thesis on manned orbital rendezvous.
Speaker 3: That's pretty darn cool man.
Speaker 4: I'm not impressed, not yet. Just wait right, okay.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty three, NASA selected him to become an astronaut,
Speaker 1: one member of their third group of astronauts.
Speaker 2: What a crazy time that must have been. It's like,
Speaker 2: we've got this new job. See where we shoot you
Speaker 2: up into space. About that we're gonna try and put
Speaker 2: you on the moon maybe if that's cool with you. Well, actually,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't matter, you're doing it.
Speaker 1: They may not have told him, you know, but obviously
Speaker 1: this is what he wanted to imagine, getting a degree
Speaker 1: in astronautics at that day and age in the sixties.
Speaker 2: Now, I have a question. I know nasays it's an
Speaker 2: an independent agency or organization. It's not connected directly to
Speaker 2: the military, But do astronauts have like are they commanders?
Speaker 2: Do they get orders when they're given a mission? Is
Speaker 2: it like, can you get marshalled as an astronaut?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a good question because they can have
Speaker 1: a number of ranks or positions. There might be a
Speaker 1: mission specialist who has a scientific acumen that's needed. But
Speaker 1: there's going to be a pilot, a commander, a command
Speaker 1: module pilot. It changes, I think, depending on the mission
Speaker 1: or the program. So like in Mercury. In the Mercury
Speaker 1: program they just had a pilot, and Gemini they had
Speaker 1: a command pilot.
Speaker 4: And a pilot. And then if you go to things.
Speaker 1: Like the Space Shuttle, there's a payload commander, there's a
Speaker 1: flight engineer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, I just look this up. It looks like
Speaker 2: there are military astronauts, but there technically is a funny
Speaker 2: term on loan to NASA, and they're still held to
Speaker 2: the standards of their particular branch of the Uniform Code
Speaker 2: of Military Justice for example. Mm hm.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating.
Speaker 1: That makes sense though, because there's not enough of a
Speaker 1: demand for people, right, we don't have enough space ships
Speaker 1: to justify NASA having its own military branch yet hopefully. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he becomes an astronaut and he gets another kick ass nickname.
Speaker 1: This guy is so nickname rich. He gets the nickname
Speaker 1: doctor Rendezvous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. By the way, buzz came from his
Speaker 2: sister couldn't pronounce brother and pronounced it buzzer, And so
Speaker 2: that's where Buzz came from. I was thinking he might
Speaker 2: have gotten it when he was a fighter pilot, head
Speaker 2: haircutter or something.
Speaker 3: Now he's doctor Buzz Rendezvous.
Speaker 4: Which is up there with Mantis Toboggan.
Speaker 1: You know, is you just pulled that one out of No,
Speaker 1: that's always sunny in philadelph I don't know that. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: Mantis Toboggan is a great one. Also a doctor, I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the first astronaut with a doctorate. That's why
Speaker 1: he got the nickname Doctor Rendezvous. Additionally here in this
Speaker 1: nickname because he created the docking in rendezvous techniques for
Speaker 1: spacecraft and lunar Earth orbit were mission critical for the
Speaker 1: success of the Gemini and Apollo programs because you know,
Speaker 1: once you get people into space, they need to be
Speaker 1: able to rendezvous and dock with things.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and especially if they're going to send part
Speaker 3: of the ship down to the Moon and then get
Speaker 3: that ship, that part back up to the main ship
Speaker 3: and then get out of there allegedly.
Speaker 4: No. Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy stuff. You think about the math
Speaker 3: behind that, and I just melt away and you can't
Speaker 3: you can't find me.
Speaker 2: For several days. Okay, just the precision involved in everything
Speaker 2: has to be just so, the timing has to be
Speaker 2: absolutely perfect. Nothing can go.
Speaker 3: Wrong, I know, just think the heavens literally that doctor
Speaker 3: Rendezvous was around.
Speaker 4: Doctor buzz Rendezvous.
Speaker 1: That's what If we get him on the show, do
Speaker 1: you think he'll let us call him doctor Rendezvous or
Speaker 1: is that like a term only other astronauts can use.
Speaker 2: He might make a face. Have you seen his face?
Speaker 2: He makes a pretty intense stink face.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he is.
Speaker 1: He is not reticent about exhibiting his displeasure because you know,
Speaker 1: why does he need to why does he need to
Speaker 1: play nice?
Speaker 4: He's done it all man, He's been on the moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's kind of untouchable.
Speaker 3: He can.
Speaker 1: He could get away with a lot of stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: he could put out a bad New Age spiritual album
Speaker 1: and people would still say, you know what, it's not
Speaker 1: my favorite music.
Speaker 4: But he has been on the moon.
Speaker 2: Did we talk about the fact that he pioneered a
Speaker 2: ton of the training techniques used to train astronauts, like
Speaker 2: you know, you always see them training for zero gravity
Speaker 2: work in these giant pools.
Speaker 4: That was his idea, That his idea.
Speaker 1: He yeah, he did the underwater training techniques. He also
Speaker 1: performed the world's first successful spacewalk, which, if you notice
Speaker 1: there's a weird caveat in there, the world's first successful spacewalk.
Speaker 1: This was on the Gemini twelve orbital mission in eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty six. He set a new EVA extra vehicular activity
Speaker 1: record of five and a half hours. And also he
Speaker 1: took the first selfie in space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. I love this guy, just thinking about that.
Speaker 3: I really like this dude.
Speaker 2: I wish he was like my grandpa. Oh man, grandpa Buzz. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let me sit on his knee. Tell me tales of
Speaker 2: space exploration, adventure, teach.
Speaker 1: You the complex science of trajectories and zero gravity.
Speaker 3: Explain the calculus of space talking.
Speaker 2: I would probably be a lot smarter if Buzz alternate
Speaker 2: in my grandpapa.
Speaker 1: I would, you know, even beyond a familiar relationship, I
Speaker 1: want to just have him in my crew.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So when I take group pictures.
Speaker 1: It could be like, oh, there's there's the gang.
Speaker 4: Oh who's that.
Speaker 1: Oh that's doctor Rendezvous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's just in the back. He's not even paying.
Speaker 4: Attention, and he's got aviators on.
Speaker 2: He's running the numbers man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's running the numbers.
Speaker 1: He can perfectly throw things into trash cans in an
Speaker 1: office from across the hall. Anyway, that's all awesome and
Speaker 1: pales in comparison to the stuff that he did, especially
Speaker 1: on July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3: That's the big one. That's when he and Neil Armstrong
Speaker 3: made their historic Apollo eleven moonwalk. They landed on the moon.
Speaker 3: He took the giant steps for mankind.
Speaker 2: In that warehouse in Burbank, captured brilliantly by Stanley Kubrick.
Speaker 2: Maybe no, maybe we should do.
Speaker 1: An episode on that in the future. We always talk
Speaker 1: about that, fellow conspiracy realists. There are a couple of
Speaker 1: episodes that we always kick around off air and say
Speaker 1: we're going to get to one day. Let us know
Speaker 1: if you would like to explore the Stanley Kubrick and
Speaker 1: faking the moonlanding.
Speaker 3: We did that episode on the movie, the movie that
Speaker 3: we watched where it's fictional fa the moonland.
Speaker 2: I remember that was a good one. Well, for the
Speaker 2: purposes of this episode, let's operate as though this were
Speaker 2: a real thing that actually in fact happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, we'll table that we're tabling all the
Speaker 1: moon shenanigans Lunar shenanigans for a future episode, but we
Speaker 1: do want to hear from you. Let us know what
Speaker 1: you think about this. We are conspiracy a housuffworks dot
Speaker 1: com a couple of facts about the moonwalk and estimated
Speaker 1: six hundred million people tuned in to watch. That was
Speaker 1: the largest television audience in history at the time, and
Speaker 1: when Buzz and co returned, they received the Presidential Medal
Speaker 1: of Freedom. Over the rest of his life post Lunar landing,
Speaker 1: buzz Aldrin received the Congressional Gold Medal, tons and tons
Speaker 1: of other numerous awards. He has an asteroid named after him.
Speaker 1: He has a crater on the Moon named after him.
Speaker 1: He is a prolific writer, writes a lot of children's books. Surprisingly,
Speaker 1: it was Operation Avalanche, by the way, Operation Avalanche.
Speaker 4: That was the movie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all about it, And do
Speaker 1: check out that episode if you haven't listened to it.
Speaker 4: It was pretty good.
Speaker 1: But he is still an advocate for space exploration. And again,
Speaker 1: you know, he went on the Moon, but there's more
Speaker 1: to the story. You see more and more people and
Speaker 1: sources will tell you that while exploring space, buzz Aldrin
Speaker 1: and his colleagues didn't just see lunar rocks and moondust.
Speaker 1: They believe instead that he, along with his fellow astronauts,
Speaker 1: saw something startling and inexplicable, something that, if publicly acknowledged,
Speaker 1: could fundamentally change our species understanding of the space around
Speaker 1: our planet and the universe as a whole.
Speaker 2: Are you saying buzz Aldrin saw some sort of life form.
Speaker 1: We'll be back after a word from our sponsor. Here's
Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. According to several different sources, yes,
Speaker 1: buzz Aldrin allegedly saw a UFO in space. You have,
Speaker 1: if you have any interest in stories of astronauts and
Speaker 1: stories of space exploration, we are certain that you have
Speaker 1: seen this pop up in your maybe your news feed
Speaker 1: wherever you get your news, or heard about it on
Speaker 1: a forum or something like that. Apparently buzz Aldrin saw
Speaker 1: a UFO.
Speaker 3: Yes, and this is not the first time that it
Speaker 3: was reported, but the latest iteration of something like this
Speaker 3: came on April eighth, twenty eighteen. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 3: British tabloid called The Daily Star, and they reported that
Speaker 3: buzz Aldron and three other astronauts Gordon Cooper, edgar Mitchell,
Speaker 3: and al Warden. They participated in this study, and we'll
Speaker 3: get into what the study actually was, but a study
Speaker 3: that revealed buzz Aldrin as well as some of these
Speaker 3: other guys, had in fact seen some kind of bizarre
Speaker 3: object or unexplainable phenomena in space.
Speaker 1: Right with a specific quote attributed to doctor Rendezvous, which
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to call him for the rest
Speaker 1: of this show, okay, saying allegedly, he said there was
Speaker 1: something out there that was close enough to be observed,
Speaker 1: sort of l shaped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, we'll talk about that attribution, like you said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll tell us a little bit about what
Speaker 4: went down there. What's the skinny, what's the scoop?
Speaker 3: Okay, So the test that they participated in was a
Speaker 3: different kind of lie detector test and not the one
Speaker 3: that you might be familiar with if you watch CSI
Speaker 3: shows and things like that that monitors your specific biometrics
Speaker 3: of your body, your sweat, your what your heart beat,
Speaker 3: your heart rate, and things like that. Let's just get
Speaker 3: into it. So I'm going to read some of the
Speaker 3: some couple little quotes here from the article. It definitely
Speaker 3: states that those four astronauts took part and they all
Speaker 3: passed this whatever this version of a lie detector test was,
Speaker 3: and the experts say that the results show and that
Speaker 3: these experts are completely convinced that signs of alien life
Speaker 3: were actually seen by these gentlemen. It was conducted at
Speaker 3: this place called the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology in Albany, Ohio,
Speaker 3: according to the article, and it says they carried out
Speaker 3: complex computer analyzes of the astronaut's voice patterns as they
Speaker 3: told of their close encounters. So that's how they're looking
Speaker 3: at these and something that's really important to talk about.
Speaker 3: Two of those astronauts that they looked at edgar Mitchell
Speaker 3: and Gordon Cooper when they performed this test. These guys
Speaker 3: are deceased.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're dead.
Speaker 1: So the story is at the very least coming from
Speaker 1: a misleading a misleading base, because the way it's written
Speaker 1: implies that the astronauts were being analyzed in real time
Speaker 1: or that they were speaking to the people conducting the study,
Speaker 1: and that is that is not the case.
Speaker 3: And here is something of great convenience. Here's another quote
Speaker 3: from the article. Although the technology is still top secret,
Speaker 3: these studies are claimed to be more reliable than current
Speaker 3: light detector tests and could soon replace those used by
Speaker 3: the FBI and police.
Speaker 4: Top secret huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, top secret light detector technology in Albany, Ohio at
Speaker 3: the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology.
Speaker 1: Things can be secret, but they can't really be top
Speaker 1: secret unless they're classified that way by a government.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're not gonna have somebody writing anywhere, especially
Speaker 3: in the Daily Star, about something that is top secret.
Speaker 4: I guess a lot of non government agencies use.
Speaker 1: The phrase proprietary, like proprietary technology.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense for what this could be.
Speaker 3: And we'll get into what it is in a second.
Speaker 1: Wait, so do you wanna do you want to talk
Speaker 1: about bioacoustics?
Speaker 4: You want to hang on for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's jump into bioacoustics. Okay, you sounds so thrilled, man,
Speaker 3: It's okay. I'm I'm interested in this stuff and I
Speaker 3: want to know if there's any I don't know basis
Speaker 3: for what the things what these people are claiming, but
Speaker 3: as of right now, Aukham's razor is pointing me in
Speaker 3: an unfortunate direction. Let's just say, okay, you can go
Speaker 3: to Bioacousticresearch dot com and you can learn about the
Speaker 3: Bioacoustic Biology Research Studio that's in northwest Ohio. Okay, let's see.
Speaker 3: It's an independent research studio and it's currently working on
Speaker 3: projects regarding PTSD and radiation. Okay, so that's that's interesting.
Speaker 3: It has references to the high radiation levels present in
Speaker 3: the sky. And let's see. If you go down on
Speaker 3: the website a little bit, you can see pictures of
Speaker 3: the studio that they've got here. They're recording studio essentially,
Speaker 3: and it looks fine, it looks cool, but it looks
Speaker 3: like somebody's house for sure. And then if you continue
Speaker 3: going down the rabbit hole, you'll find a thing called
Speaker 3: Soundhealthportal dot com that is also related to this bioacoustic
Speaker 3: biology website.
Speaker 4: But the we should also plan on to be fair.
Speaker 1: Just because something's operating out of someone's house doesn't delegitimize it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, absolutely does not delegitimize it. Thank you for
Speaker 3: pointing that out. Then, But it's it doesn't give it
Speaker 3: the same gravitas as if there is spending by the
Speaker 3: government for anything like this. It doesn't show that there's
Speaker 3: a large number of people probably working on this project.
Speaker 3: It's probably a very small number of employees or self
Speaker 3: made recording and experts.
Speaker 1: And so the idea here at base then would be
Speaker 1: that using this proprietary or secret technology, the researchers are
Speaker 1: able to I guess, mine things from voices that would
Speaker 1: not ordinarily be discernible because I remember they go into
Speaker 1: medicine a little bit as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, okay. Here at soundhealthportal dot com, it says
Speaker 3: what is human bioacoustics and it states the state of
Speaker 3: your health is in the sound of your voice. Frequencies
Speaker 3: and architectures found in the human voice can be used
Speaker 3: to identify the innate mathematical biomarkers that represent states of
Speaker 3: health and wellness merv. It sounds a little strange, let's
Speaker 3: keep going. Frequency based medicine is currently positioned at the
Speaker 3: top of today's alternative health options. Okay, so we're looking
Speaker 3: at an alternative health option here. Everything from homeopathy to
Speaker 3: essential oils would be considered something like that. And then
Speaker 3: if you keep going down the website, you'll see things
Speaker 3: like math matrixes for each individual for your health and wellness,
Speaker 3: bioacoustic vocal profiling.
Speaker 4: Which sounds fascinating.
Speaker 3: It does sound fascinating.
Speaker 1: I think one thing that a lot of people have
Speaker 1: a problem with regarding bioacoustics would be that in other
Speaker 1: aspects or in other parts of the web, it's also
Speaker 1: associated with the discovery of ancient wisdom or rediscovery of it.
Speaker 1: There's a quote from Sherry Edwards about this where she says,
Speaker 1: novel research supports the assertion that ancient templar cross architecture
Speaker 1: contains math codes that support frequency based medicine. The idea
Speaker 1: of revisiting lost knowledge through the use of computer constructed
Speaker 1: biomass provides a new paradigm that will change the face
Speaker 1: of future medicine.
Speaker 3: It sounds cool, it sounds really interesting.
Speaker 1: Secrets of the Templar Dan Brown type stuff.
Speaker 3: And speaking of Sherry Edwards, she works with bioacoustics, and
Speaker 3: she said that the tests that Aldrin went through, she
Speaker 3: said that Aldrin is sure he saw the UFO even
Speaker 3: though his logical mind cannot explain it. So with whatever
Speaker 3: testing she did, the top secret stuff, she was able
Speaker 3: to tell that he definitely saw something.
Speaker 4: So it's not a lie detector.
Speaker 3: It is in a way I guess I don't I
Speaker 3: don't understand, So it's not a polygraph, I guess is
Speaker 3: what we're saying, because usually when you say lie detector.
Speaker 2: Polygraph, the way you're describing it sounds like an everything detector.
Speaker 3: It's it's looking at the vocal patterns of a person.
Speaker 3: So I'm assuming it's some kind of spectral analysis of
Speaker 3: the vocal like after you record somebody. It's some kind
Speaker 3: of spectral analysis.
Speaker 2: And what are you saying? It can tell you things
Speaker 2: about your your health.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what it's. That's what the Bioacoustic Biology
Speaker 3: Institute is saying.
Speaker 1: And even even unto the degree of being able to
Speaker 1: tell you if you will have a quote negative outcome
Speaker 1: from vaccination yep, based on your voice. And that's that's
Speaker 1: weird because it's it's saying they can tell that before
Speaker 1: a vaccination occurs yep. So that's the This is the
Speaker 1: institute conducting the tests. And they said that I saw
Speaker 1: UFOs according to Sherry Edwards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it says that they all did. And if
Speaker 3: we go back to the article, it states that al Warden,
Speaker 3: who at the time was eighty six, was on Good
Speaker 3: Morning Britain and he he apparently claimed to have seen extraterrestrials.
Speaker 3: And he also believes that we're all descended from some
Speaker 3: form of ancient aliens. And I mean, really, dude, it
Speaker 3: makes me want to go down that rabbit hole again.
Speaker 3: We've been down that rabbit hole several times sure, on
Speaker 3: this show and in our just daily lives. But you
Speaker 3: know it's not just him. You also get edgar Mitchell,
Speaker 3: who also had claimed to see UFOs. I don't know,
Speaker 3: he was talking more about chasing a group of UFOs
Speaker 3: rather than just a single one or something. And then
Speaker 3: again the article claims that through the testing, all of
Speaker 3: these men seem to be telling the truth and the
Speaker 3: whole truth.
Speaker 1: And nothing but yep, if this is true, it's astonishing, right,
Speaker 1: it's mind blowing, and we have to contain our excitement
Speaker 1: and ask ourselves about the source.
Speaker 4: What about this thing? Does it measure up?
Speaker 1: Are there other sources that confirm it, contradict it? What
Speaker 1: do the people involved actually say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does buzz Aldrin say?
Speaker 1: We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor, So
Speaker 1: go into this source. We see that's also been associated
Speaker 1: with a viral video that was describing this and got
Speaker 1: shared everywhere on Facebook and probably on Reddit, and so
Speaker 1: on and so on and so on, But what do
Speaker 1: we know about the actual newspaper, The Daily Star.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's what they u a tabloid
Speaker 2: in the Daily Star. It's published Monday through Saturday in
Speaker 2: the UK, and it's been doing that since November second
Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy eight. Can we just take a quick
Speaker 2: second to have tabloid? It seems like always a term
Speaker 2: of derision, like a term implying fake news or some
Speaker 2: kind of sensationalized flim flammering. Is that how you guys
Speaker 2: see it?
Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely the motivation there is to sell more papers.
Speaker 3: The motivation to sell more papers, right, but in this case,
Speaker 3: the let's say, the the journalistic integrity maybe isn't as important.
Speaker 3: And this is tough to even say about anything like
Speaker 3: this because I've never worked at the Daily Star. I
Speaker 3: don't know what the bosses there say during they're all
Speaker 3: hands meetings.
Speaker 1: They it maybe they're telling the gods honest truth and
Speaker 1: they're like, why haven't we been killed? Why don't people
Speaker 1: believe us? Bat Boy is out there?
Speaker 2: So it is bat boy type stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, there are different gradations, say a tabloid, Yeah, technically
Speaker 1: a tabloid.
Speaker 4: Well, it used to not be a derogatory term.
Speaker 1: It's a format of a newspaper that's not as large
Speaker 1: and is about half the size of a standard newspaper,
Speaker 1: and it has more popular reporting.
Speaker 4: You're going to see more stuff about.
Speaker 2: Celebrity paparazzi type stuff and you know, speculating about who's
Speaker 2: cheating on.
Speaker 4: Who bred in circuses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and in some case, in a lot of
Speaker 1: cases here in the States, at least, when you go
Speaker 1: to the grocery store, you will typically see the tabloids
Speaker 1: oriented towards celebrities at the checkout line. But there used
Speaker 1: to be back in the day. Really cool when it's
Speaker 1: like weekly Worlds World.
Speaker 4: News, that's my favorite one.
Speaker 2: You don't see that anymore.
Speaker 4: No, I haven't seen it. No, they still tell us
Speaker 4: we should, we should find out.
Speaker 1: We should find out and see if we can get
Speaker 1: our bosses to give us a subscription to it. Would
Speaker 1: you guys be proud subscribers with me to the weekly
Speaker 1: World News. Absolutely, I don't want it delivered at my house.
Speaker 2: It's still in circulation. It's circulation is one point two million.
Speaker 3: I think we partner with them and make a new
Speaker 3: show guys where it's just reading the paper. That's it,
Speaker 3: that's all it is.
Speaker 4: We should write for them.
Speaker 3: That's a great idea.
Speaker 4: We should all get.
Speaker 1: Pseudonyms and write for them. Buzz Rendezvous is unfortunately taken.
Speaker 2: Not to get too far off track, but it's kind
Speaker 2: of interesting. I'm looking at their site. It seems like
Speaker 2: they're a little more just into covering weird natural phenomenon
Speaker 2: and a lot of these stories that I'm seeing on
Speaker 2: the front page are not nevermind got to one six
Speaker 2: inch alien and Gwyneth Paltrow buys the Weinstein Company. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: wait did she then?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff, right, So, tabloids nowadays have an aura of unreliability.
Speaker 1: It's that's something that we all associate with the term tabloid,
Speaker 1: and the etymology of that how it evolved is maybe
Speaker 1: a story for another time. But in addition to being
Speaker 1: a tabloid, the Daily Star was the only original source
Speaker 1: that reported this, and the other outfits we found that
Speaker 1: were reporting it ultimately are going back to, at least
Speaker 1: in this case, back to this Daily Star story. And Matt,
Speaker 1: you brought up a fantastic point that we can't gloss over,
Speaker 1: which is that this is one iteration of a thing
Speaker 1: that's come up again and again and again since the
Speaker 1: first days of space faring civilization.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, immediately after those astronauts landed, probably even before that,
Speaker 3: there were questions about what did they actually see?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they have been.
Speaker 1: Another thing that's different with this case is that people
Speaker 1: are easier to reach now. So various news outlets, from
Speaker 1: The Independent to Australia's The Pedestrian reached out to buzz
Speaker 1: Aldrin directly and said, Hey, did you really say this?
Speaker 1: Do you believe this happened. Aldron's spokespeople responded to the
Speaker 1: Australian outfit we mentioned earlier, The Pedestrian, and they categorically
Speaker 1: denied the story and took it a step further. They
Speaker 1: called it unfounded and bogus, and then they added, we
Speaker 1: don't know where it came from. They had never heard
Speaker 1: of the Bioacoustics Institute, they had never heard of this reporting,
Speaker 1: and so the official stance is no way, what is that,
Speaker 1: and we can take it a step further. Buzz Aldrin
Speaker 1: himself was asked about not specifically this study, but unidentified
Speaker 1: aliens and spacecraft in a reddit AMA, which is an
Speaker 1: acronym for ask me anything. Right, So we have a
Speaker 1: long quote from him here, and we can probably just
Speaker 1: split it up between the three of us, or paraphrase
Speaker 1: a little. But he says, on Apollo eleven and Root
Speaker 1: to the Moon, I observed a light out the window
Speaker 1: that appeared to be moving alongside us. There were many
Speaker 1: explanations of what it could be, other than spacecraft from
Speaker 1: another country or another world. It was either the rocket
Speaker 1: we had separated from or the four panels that moved
Speaker 1: away when we extracted the lander from the rocket and
Speaker 1: we were nose to nose with the two spacecraft, so
Speaker 1: in the close vicinity, moving away were four panels, and
Speaker 1: I feel absolutely convinced that we were looking at the
Speaker 1: sun reflected off of one of those panels, which one
Speaker 1: I don't know. So technically the definition could be unidentified,
Speaker 1: but we well understood exactly what it was.
Speaker 2: So we are we seeing a sort of misinterpretation of
Speaker 2: the idea of a UFO, like in the parlance of
Speaker 2: NASA and astronaut day to day operations, that could mean
Speaker 2: many different things.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's the part of it.
Speaker 1: He goes on and says that he was I guess
Speaker 1: taken out of context or his statements were taken out
Speaker 1: of context, and it goes further.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, serious what he says. He goes, we well
Speaker 2: understood exactly what that was, and when we returned, we
Speaker 2: debriefed and explained exactly what we had observed. And I
Speaker 2: felt that this had been distributed to the outside world,
Speaker 2: the outside audience, and apparently it wasn't. And so many
Speaker 2: years later, so this was taken out of context. Basically,
Speaker 2: so many years later, I had the time in an
Speaker 2: interview to disclose these observations on another country's television network,
Speaker 2: and the UFO people in the United States were very,
Speaker 2: very very angry with me that I had not given
Speaker 2: them this information. It was not an.
Speaker 3: Alien and he continues saying, extraordinary observations require extraordinary evidence.
Speaker 3: That's what Carl Sagan said. There may be aliens in
Speaker 3: our Milky Way galaxy, and there are billions of other galaxies.
Speaker 3: The probability is almost certain that there is life somewhere
Speaker 3: in space. It was not that remarkable, that special, that unusual.
Speaker 3: That life here on Earth evolved gradually slowly to where
Speaker 3: we are today. But the distances involved in where some
Speaker 3: evidence of life may be they may be hundreds of
Speaker 3: light years away. That's a great point. That's like the
Speaker 3: whole Fermi paradox thing we've discussed on the show numerous times.
Speaker 4: So we can't get there, that's what he say.
Speaker 3: And they probably can't get to us.
Speaker 1: The odds are so low. So he's saying aliens do exist.
Speaker 1: It's very likely that they do exist. It's highly unlikely
Speaker 1: that we'll run into them. So he himself is denying
Speaker 1: that he saw an alien and claiming instead it was
Speaker 1: a UFO. And to your point, Noel, that just means
Speaker 1: we didn't know exactly what it was. Yeah, it could
Speaker 1: have been a million other things that were not extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: in origin. So in this case, it seems that the
Speaker 1: Aldron story may be largely discredited. We did mention, of course,
Speaker 1: Cooper Mitchell passed away, so they had to be using
Speaker 1: pre recorded audio. They should have mentioned that. But there's
Speaker 1: something else here. What if Aldron was not the only
Speaker 1: astronaut to see strange things in the stars. We know
Speaker 1: that during the Gemini for Mission pilot, Jim McDivitt had
Speaker 1: spotted an object he described as a white cylindrical shape
Speaker 1: with a white pole sticking out of one corner of it.
Speaker 4: He took a couple photos of.
Speaker 1: It, and he thinks it was unknown but man made debris,
Speaker 1: because near Earth orbit is just full of space junk, right,
Speaker 1: But other people were saying, maybe it's the second stage
Speaker 1: of a Titan two used in space exploration. And then
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, an astronaut named Leroy Chow
Speaker 1: reported seeing lights in a line, almost like an upside
Speaker 1: down check mark. He later identified these as being from
Speaker 1: fishing boats hundreds of miles below. So a lot of
Speaker 1: the astronauts who see unexplained stuff have later come back
Speaker 1: and said, here is the mundane explanation.
Speaker 3: Or is that because the men in black got to them?
Speaker 1: Or is that because someone got to them? You know,
Speaker 1: often when we hear that kind of story, the crazy
Speaker 1: thing about about a group of people keeping another group
Speaker 1: of people quiet and intimidated, it's difficult to believe in
Speaker 1: most cases, because it's usually a matter of keeping hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of people quiet.
Speaker 4: But the world is it lousy with astronauts?
Speaker 3: There aren't that many, correct, and especially that many that
Speaker 3: have been that far out.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 3: Actually, there was only a very small handful of astronauts
Speaker 3: who have been there far out.
Speaker 4: Have you met one?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Do you trust them?
Speaker 1: Maybe A that's an inside joke for us from a
Speaker 1: previous video where I think we ended it with have
Speaker 1: you ever met an astronaut? But I believe we have.
Speaker 1: I believe between the three of us we have met astronauts.
Speaker 1: Pilots though, pilots are a different story, And there was
Speaker 1: a story that recently came out. In February of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: two airline pilots spotted a mysterious reflective object hovering about
Speaker 1: forty thousand feet or twelve thousand meters for everybody outside
Speaker 1: of Namibia, the United States, and mianmar over Arizona.
Speaker 4: And the FAA.
Speaker 1: The Federal Aviation Administration is stumped because these were pilots
Speaker 1: in two different planes yep, so their perspective was different.
Speaker 1: The Phoenix New Times released an FAA recording of this.
Speaker 1: The sighting was three thirty in the afternoon on February
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, over the desert near Phoenix, and no one
Speaker 1: knows what it was. You can read a great article
Speaker 1: on Live Science about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you call back to our Jeremy Corbell episodes,
Speaker 3: we've discussed several of these, especially the last one we did.
Speaker 3: We've talked about actual navy pilots that have seen UFOs
Speaker 3: in the recent past. So it does occur on land,
Speaker 3: or at least just above land quite frequently, these sightings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we have to be fair because just if
Speaker 1: one just because one story turns out not to have
Speaker 1: sand to it, doesn't mean that other stories are not true.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: And the last note we can leave you with here
Speaker 1: that will perhaps send you off on a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of your own is the following. In an interview with
Speaker 1: the BBC, head of UK Air Traffic Control, Richard Deacon claimed,
Speaker 1: we see a UFO a month, wow id unidentified flying
Speaker 1: object per month consistently.
Speaker 3: But that could just be an unidentified plane that isn't
Speaker 3: responding to their calls.
Speaker 4: It could be a freaky looking bird man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be a lot of things.
Speaker 1: It could loans, yeah, or classified aircraft. M that's the
Speaker 1: one I'm most excited about. But let us know what
Speaker 1: UFO incidents you think hold the most sand, have the
Speaker 1: most grit, the most credibility, right, which ones haven't been
Speaker 1: proven to be?
Speaker 4: What's the old saw? A weather balloon? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We would love to hear from you. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's no secret that space is weird. Along with the
Speaker 1: deepest avisial planes of the ocean. Space is one of
Speaker 1: the least understood environments that humans have ever experienced. And
Speaker 1: there's still tons and tons of unidentified objects being spotted
Speaker 1: in the air, under the water. We don't know how
Speaker 1: to explain them all. It's a pretty exciting time to
Speaker 1: be alive when you think.
Speaker 3: About it, it really is.
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 1: And of course I think we would be good astronauts.
Speaker 3: Not me in my back, I don't think I could.
Speaker 4: I think you'd be a great astronaut.
Speaker 2: Maybe zero race. You could wear one of those like
Speaker 2: ups guy back brace things. Surely they can build that
Speaker 2: into the space suit man. That can be taken into consideration.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, I'll look into it. Then we
Speaker 2: should try out. Do they have open casting calls auditions?
Speaker 1: I think it's the next next iteration of America's Got Talent.
Speaker 1: I'd be cool it's NASA's Got Talent.
Speaker 2: And this is one of the episodes about but like,
Speaker 2: how do you guys feel? Obviously there's a lot of
Speaker 2: nostalgia wrapped up in NASA. Everything we're talking about was
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff that happened relatively in our lifetime.
Speaker 2: And you guys are obviously hugely into the idea of
Speaker 2: being an astronaut. How do you feel about the whole
Speaker 2: like privatization of space travel and exploration and maybe some
Speaker 2: of the emphasis moving away from the way it used
Speaker 2: to be dying. Are we going to see more guys
Speaker 2: like old buzz Aldrin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's a fascinating and complicated issue here, which
Speaker 1: is the following. A lot of successful colonization in human
Speaker 1: history was essentially privatized. Dutch East India Company horrific company,
Speaker 1: very very bad, did terrible things, but without that push
Speaker 1: toward privatization, it would not, you know, the path of
Speaker 1: history would have been much different, and those expansionist forces
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have been able to reach the places they
Speaker 1: reached and maintain the hold they maintained for so long.
Speaker 1: So privatization is the next. Also, I believe we're moving
Speaker 1: away from states toward corporations.
Speaker 2: So not inherently bad in fact, many good things about it,
Speaker 2: but potentially potential.
Speaker 1: For abuse, potential for terrible, terrible things to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that could you know, you could say the same
Speaker 1: about a state run operation, and a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of the big players that will be in the
Speaker 1: future space race are going to be state and private partnerships,
Speaker 1: you know, like that it may be supported with funding
Speaker 1: from the state, but it's owned by a private entity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Doesn't Elon Musk strike you guys as kind of a
Speaker 2: bond villain figure. He worries me.
Speaker 3: He's done some pretty amazing things.
Speaker 2: I know he has. I'm mainly joking, but it's part
Speaker 2: of me that thinks he's going to build a sonic
Speaker 2: death ray on the moon and blow up all the
Speaker 2: poor people on the Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't get that from him. I
Speaker 3: don't get it from him. I get that from several
Speaker 3: people amongst his peers, but not him.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a blow up the poor kind
Speaker 1: of person. But I do think he would absolutely institute
Speaker 1: an autocratic technocracy on Mars, similar to what our uh
Speaker 1: our guy Marshall brain to.
Speaker 2: Marshall brand and that's a fun episode.
Speaker 3: Maybe he and Marshall should get together and get that
Speaker 3: thing going. Get Google's new algorithms up there, work with them.
Speaker 1: Those guys are brilliant. I can't imagine what they would
Speaker 1: if we put them in a room and just gave
Speaker 1: them an hour to talk. They well know, if we
Speaker 1: put them in a cabin for a weekend, they will
Speaker 1: come out with some kind of new, weird technology. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I would understand it.
Speaker 4: I hope it's not a death ray.
Speaker 2: I hope not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's I think that we're going to see
Speaker 1: something very much like the Dutch East India Company.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I can imagine leading the charge.
Speaker 1: To space exploration and we have to as a species,
Speaker 1: we have to go to space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be like Cerebus from the Mass Effect Universe,
Speaker 3: the Giant. They're a giant private company that basically ended
Speaker 3: up being the most powerful thing that existed and the
Speaker 3: most powerful entity that existed.
Speaker 1: And of course there's another argument, which is maybe we
Speaker 1: should just fix the Earth we have before we go
Speaker 1: try to make another one.
Speaker 2: How's that going?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, ups and downs, mixed results. Humanity is still here.
Speaker 2: The pendulum swings.
Speaker 1: The pendulum swings like Earth is so resilient it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to Earth if human beings are gone. There will
Speaker 1: just be some some new iteration that will take our place.
Speaker 1: But you know, collectively, it's kind of cool for us
Speaker 1: to be here.
Speaker 3: Well, I for one, am excited to get to Mars
Speaker 3: because there's something there that we can explore that buzz
Speaker 3: Aldrin himself has discussed before. Besides this whole thing about
Speaker 3: seeing aliens or spacecraft or something while he was going
Speaker 3: to the moon and orbiting, he also has mentioned a
Speaker 3: very specific phenomena or an object that exists on one
Speaker 3: of mars moons, Phobos. It's a monolith. He's talked about
Speaker 3: it live on air.
Speaker 6: We should go boldly where man has not gone before.
Speaker 6: Fly by to comets, visit asteroids, visit the moon of Mars.
Speaker 6: There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure on this
Speaker 6: little potato shaped object that goes around Mars once in
Speaker 6: seven hours. When people find out about that, they're going
Speaker 6: to say.
Speaker 4: Who put that there?
Speaker 2: Who put that there?
Speaker 6: Well, the universe put it there, if you choose, God
Speaker 6: put it there.
Speaker 3: There's also a monolith on Mars that has been observed.
Speaker 3: And these are two things that I think we should
Speaker 3: really really explore. Here's the thing. They're probably natural, you know,
Speaker 3: if you we Ucham's razor it they're probably natural rock formations. However,
Speaker 3: that there are two, one on both the planet and
Speaker 3: the moon, one of the moons of the planet, is
Speaker 3: fascinating to me, and I think we should explore it.
Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure buzz alder and believed we should
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Look, that's fascinating to me that he he himself
Speaker 1: be known for someone of being somewhat of a skeptic,
Speaker 1: would be so interested in this idea. And you know, Oh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask this question. I can't remember if
Speaker 1: we asked it before. If offered, would you take a
Speaker 1: one way ticket to live on Mars?
Speaker 2: That's tough, man, But you.
Speaker 4: Know, with like a cool job. And let's say you
Speaker 4: knew you wouldn't die on the way.
Speaker 2: Okay, you could give me some assurances. Yeah, if it
Speaker 2: had been done, I might do it.
Speaker 4: I would totally do it.
Speaker 1: I would also I would be the one who would say, well,
Speaker 1: we don't have to stop at Mars, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: just I'll keep going if if you have snacks.
Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the new Lost in Space reboot?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Not a fan, not a fan, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I haven't really gotten that deep into The only reason
Speaker 2: I mentioned is because there's a whole thing in that
Speaker 2: show where they all have to take a test like
Speaker 2: aptitude tests in order to become the new colonizers of
Speaker 2: space or the new planet that they're trying to find
Speaker 2: because Earth is not doing so well.
Speaker 1: So what do you think of unidentified flying objects? Are
Speaker 1: they all mundane? Is there something further at play? Have
Speaker 1: astronauts actually seen these and later denied them or have
Speaker 1: they been misquoted and mischaracterized in the media on the
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