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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone thinks as always for tuning in. As we

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Speaker 1: time to prep some new adventures, which means we'll have

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Speaker 1: a couple more classics coming out. We'll do two a

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Speaker 1: all bangers, and this one is. This one's a personal favorite.

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Speaker 1: I think it's something we talked about a lot off air,

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Speaker 1: and it eventually became an episode. Did Buzz altern se

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Speaker 1: a UFO did?

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Speaker 2: He? Indeed? And he kind of started spelling the tea

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Speaker 2: a little later in life, didn't he talking about some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in two thousand and nine he went on c

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Speaker 3: SPAN and talked about a monolith on Phobos, one of

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Speaker 2: Se spam, that's where you go to get to get

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Speaker 2: like clicks. Let's drop the news on c SPAN.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the government TMZ for sure.

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Speaker 3: So you just dropped it was nothing like he really did.

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Speaker 2: He really did.

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Speaker 1: And we saw in twenty eighteen that different news outlets,

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Speaker 1: not just C Span, started saying buzz Aldrin had some

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Speaker 1: secret observations and like you said, Noel. Later in life,

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Speaker 1: as a lot of people do, he became increasingly forthcoming

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Speaker 1: about stuff that might have been controversial or still is

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Speaker 2: And then then the scuttle BI was like, has buzz

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Speaker 2: Aldron lost his mind? You know?

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Speaker 4: Is he sundowning?

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Speaker 2: Like what is going on? Or is there some veracity

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Speaker 2: to these claims.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 5: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 5: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 5: learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: My name is Matt, my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 4: They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul

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Speaker 1: Mission Control decand which will be a very appropriate name

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Speaker 1: for today's episode. Absolutely most importantly, folks, thanks for dropping in.

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Speaker 1: You are you, and you are here and that makes

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Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. A quick

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Speaker 1: question for all of us and then everyone listening as well.

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Speaker 1: When you were a kid, did you ever think of

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Speaker 1: being an astronaut when you grew up?

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Speaker 3: I thought of nothing else.

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Speaker 2: We have talked about the fact that everyone went to space.

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Speaker 3: Camp and me yep, and you got your shirt it

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Speaker 3: was too small though, I know I saw that. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: but we can cut it up and turn it into

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Speaker 2: It's cause give it to my child. There you go,

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Speaker 2: and maybe maybe it'll get her to aspire to go

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Speaker 2: to space camp on our own one day.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And to your point, to your point, definitely,

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Speaker 3: being an astronaut, thinking of exploring the unexplored like that that,

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Speaker 3: I think that's a dream of a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a dream job. I mean, just imagine you

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Speaker 1: literally go where almost no one has ever gone before,

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Speaker 1: and no matter how abstract or inconsequential your mission might

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Speaker 1: if you are an astronaut, you are paving humanity's path

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Speaker 1: to the stars. Even if you're the world's worst astronaut,

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Speaker 1: which I think we talked about on a previous.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even being the world's worst astronaut, you're no slouch.

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Speaker 4: Right right, it's still pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But all the other astronauts know, because I'm sure if.

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Speaker 2: Sure, like Steve is the worst one.

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Speaker 1: So I've been you know, we've talked about this off

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Speaker 1: Because it's such a small group or a small community,

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Speaker 2: Like, ah, he's always opening his diet coke and zero

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Speaker 1: Always hitting on the server at Applebee's by saying he's

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Speaker 2: I mean, a very few can actually use that pickup

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Speaker 1: I always picture the world's worst astronaut is Derek. But

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Speaker 2: Where do you think ranks?

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Speaker 4: Oh, he's near the top as a good one.

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Speaker 1: one of the most famous astronauts in the world, Buzz Aldrin.

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Speaker 1: Everyone calls him Buzz. His real name is Edwin Eugene

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Speaker 1: they look for in astronauts, right. He was born on

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Speaker 1: January twentieth, nineteen thirty, in Montclair, New Jersey. His father

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Speaker 1: He flew F eighty six sabers in sixty six combat

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Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty three, NASA selected him to become an astronaut,

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Speaker 2: What a crazy time that must have been. It's like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a good question because they can have

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Speaker 4: And a pilot. And then if you go to things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, I just look this up. It looks like

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Speaker 3: That's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense though, because there's not enough of a

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Speaker 1: he becomes an astronaut and he gets another kick ass nickname.

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Speaker 1: This guy is so nickname rich. He gets the nickname

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Speaker 1: doctor Rendezvous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. By the way, buzz came from his

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Speaker 3: Now he's doctor Buzz Rendezvous.

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Speaker 4: Which is up there with Mantis Toboggan.

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Speaker 1: Mantis Toboggan is a great one. Also a doctor, I believe. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, and especially if they're going to send part

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Speaker 4: No. Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy stuff. You think about the math

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Speaker 2: For several days. Okay, just the precision involved in everything

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Speaker 3: Wrong, I know, just think the heavens literally that doctor

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Speaker 4: Doctor buzz Rendezvous.

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Speaker 1: That's what If we get him on the show, do

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Speaker 1: you think he'll let us call him doctor Rendezvous or

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Speaker 1: is that like a term only other astronauts can use.

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Speaker 2: He might make a face. Have you seen his face?

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Speaker 2: He makes a pretty intense stink face.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he is.

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Speaker 1: He is not reticent about exhibiting his displeasure because you know,

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Speaker 4: He's done it all man, He's been on the moon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's kind of untouchable.

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Speaker 1: He could get away with a lot of stuff. Now,

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Speaker 4: But he has been on the moon.

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Speaker 4: That was his idea, That his idea.

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Speaker 1: He yeah, he did the underwater training techniques. He also

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. I love this guy, just thinking about that.

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Speaker 1: tell you if you will have a quote negative outcome

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Speaker 1: from vaccination yep, based on your voice. And that's that's

442
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Speaker 1: weird because it's it's saying they can tell that before

443
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Speaker 1: a vaccination occurs yep. So that's the This is the

444
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Speaker 1: institute conducting the tests. And they said that I saw

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Speaker 1: UFOs according to Sherry Edwards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it says that they all did. And if

447
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Speaker 3: we go back to the article, it states that al Warden,

448
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Speaker 3: who at the time was eighty six, was on Good

449
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Speaker 3: Morning Britain and he he apparently claimed to have seen extraterrestrials.

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Speaker 3: And he also believes that we're all descended from some

451
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Speaker 3: form of ancient aliens. And I mean, really, dude, it

452
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Speaker 3: makes me want to go down that rabbit hole again.

453
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Speaker 3: We've been down that rabbit hole several times sure, on

454
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Speaker 3: this show and in our just daily lives. But you

455
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Speaker 3: know it's not just him. You also get edgar Mitchell,

456
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Speaker 3: who also had claimed to see UFOs. I don't know,

457
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Speaker 3: he was talking more about chasing a group of UFOs

458
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Speaker 3: rather than just a single one or something. And then

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Speaker 3: again the article claims that through the testing, all of

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Speaker 3: these men seem to be telling the truth and the

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Speaker 3: whole truth.

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Speaker 1: And nothing but yep, if this is true, it's astonishing, right,

463
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Speaker 1: it's mind blowing, and we have to contain our excitement

464
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Speaker 1: and ask ourselves about the source.

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Speaker 4: What about this thing? Does it measure up?

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Speaker 1: Are there other sources that confirm it, contradict it? What

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Speaker 1: do the people involved actually say?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what does buzz Aldrin say?

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Speaker 1: We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor, So

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Speaker 1: go into this source. We see that's also been associated

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Speaker 1: with a viral video that was describing this and got

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Speaker 1: shared everywhere on Facebook and probably on Reddit, and so

473
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Speaker 1: on and so on and so on, But what do

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Speaker 1: we know about the actual newspaper, The Daily Star.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's what they u a tabloid

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Speaker 2: in the Daily Star. It's published Monday through Saturday in

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Speaker 2: the UK, and it's been doing that since November second

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Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy eight. Can we just take a quick

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Speaker 2: second to have tabloid? It seems like always a term

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Speaker 2: of derision, like a term implying fake news or some

481
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Speaker 2: kind of sensationalized flim flammering. Is that how you guys

482
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Speaker 2: see it?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely the motivation there is to sell more papers.

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Speaker 3: The motivation to sell more papers, right, but in this case,

485
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Speaker 3: the let's say, the the journalistic integrity maybe isn't as important.

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Speaker 3: And this is tough to even say about anything like

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Speaker 3: this because I've never worked at the Daily Star. I

488
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Speaker 3: don't know what the bosses there say during they're all

489
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Speaker 3: hands meetings.

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Speaker 1: They it maybe they're telling the gods honest truth and

491
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Speaker 1: they're like, why haven't we been killed? Why don't people

492
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Speaker 1: believe us? Bat Boy is out there?

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Speaker 2: So it is bat boy type stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, there are different gradations, say a tabloid, Yeah, technically

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Speaker 1: a tabloid.

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Speaker 4: Well, it used to not be a derogatory term.

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Speaker 1: It's a format of a newspaper that's not as large

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Speaker 1: and is about half the size of a standard newspaper,

499
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Speaker 1: and it has more popular reporting.

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Speaker 4: You're going to see more stuff about.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity paparazzi type stuff and you know, speculating about who's

502
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Speaker 2: cheating on.

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Speaker 4: Who bred in circuses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and in some case, in a lot of

505
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Speaker 1: cases here in the States, at least, when you go

506
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Speaker 1: to the grocery store, you will typically see the tabloids

507
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Speaker 1: oriented towards celebrities at the checkout line. But there used

508
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Speaker 1: to be back in the day. Really cool when it's

509
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Speaker 1: like weekly Worlds World.

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Speaker 4: News, that's my favorite one.

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Speaker 2: You don't see that anymore.

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Speaker 4: No, I haven't seen it. No, they still tell us

513
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Speaker 4: we should, we should find out.

514
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Speaker 1: We should find out and see if we can get

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Speaker 1: our bosses to give us a subscription to it. Would

516
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Speaker 1: you guys be proud subscribers with me to the weekly

517
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Speaker 1: World News. Absolutely, I don't want it delivered at my house.

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Speaker 2: It's still in circulation. It's circulation is one point two million.

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Speaker 3: I think we partner with them and make a new

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Speaker 3: show guys where it's just reading the paper. That's it,

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Speaker 3: that's all it is.

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Speaker 4: We should write for them.

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Speaker 3: That's a great idea.

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Speaker 4: We should all get.

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Speaker 1: Pseudonyms and write for them. Buzz Rendezvous is unfortunately taken.

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Speaker 2: Not to get too far off track, but it's kind

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Speaker 2: of interesting. I'm looking at their site. It seems like

528
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Speaker 2: they're a little more just into covering weird natural phenomenon

529
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Speaker 2: and a lot of these stories that I'm seeing on

530
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Speaker 2: the front page are not nevermind got to one six

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Speaker 2: inch alien and Gwyneth Paltrow buys the Weinstein Company. Oh yeah,

532
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Speaker 2: wait did she then?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff, right, So, tabloids nowadays have an aura of unreliability.

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Speaker 1: It's that's something that we all associate with the term tabloid,

537
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Speaker 1: and the etymology of that how it evolved is maybe

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Speaker 1: a story for another time. But in addition to being

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Speaker 1: a tabloid, the Daily Star was the only original source

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Speaker 1: that reported this, and the other outfits we found that

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Speaker 1: were reporting it ultimately are going back to, at least

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Speaker 1: in this case, back to this Daily Star story. And Matt,

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Speaker 1: you brought up a fantastic point that we can't gloss over,

544
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Speaker 1: which is that this is one iteration of a thing

545
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Speaker 1: that's come up again and again and again since the

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Speaker 1: first days of space faring civilization.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, immediately after those astronauts landed, probably even before that,

548
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Speaker 3: there were questions about what did they actually see?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they have been.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that's different with this case is that people

551
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Speaker 1: are easier to reach now. So various news outlets, from

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Speaker 1: The Independent to Australia's The Pedestrian reached out to buzz

553
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Speaker 1: Aldrin directly and said, Hey, did you really say this?

554
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Speaker 1: Do you believe this happened. Aldron's spokespeople responded to the

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Speaker 1: Australian outfit we mentioned earlier, The Pedestrian, and they categorically

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Speaker 1: denied the story and took it a step further. They

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Speaker 1: called it unfounded and bogus, and then they added, we

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Speaker 1: don't know where it came from. They had never heard

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Speaker 1: of the Bioacoustics Institute, they had never heard of this reporting,

560
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Speaker 1: and so the official stance is no way, what is that,

561
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Speaker 1: and we can take it a step further. Buzz Aldrin

562
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Speaker 1: himself was asked about not specifically this study, but unidentified

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Speaker 1: aliens and spacecraft in a reddit AMA, which is an

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Speaker 1: acronym for ask me anything. Right, So we have a

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00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: long quote from him here, and we can probably just

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Speaker 1: split it up between the three of us, or paraphrase

567
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Speaker 1: a little. But he says, on Apollo eleven and Root

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Speaker 1: to the Moon, I observed a light out the window

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Speaker 1: that appeared to be moving alongside us. There were many

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Speaker 1: explanations of what it could be, other than spacecraft from

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Speaker 1: another country or another world. It was either the rocket

572
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Speaker 1: we had separated from or the four panels that moved

573
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Speaker 1: away when we extracted the lander from the rocket and

574
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Speaker 1: we were nose to nose with the two spacecraft, so

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Speaker 1: in the close vicinity, moving away were four panels, and

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Speaker 1: I feel absolutely convinced that we were looking at the

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Speaker 1: sun reflected off of one of those panels, which one

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Speaker 1: I don't know. So technically the definition could be unidentified,

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Speaker 1: but we well understood exactly what it was.

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Speaker 2: So we are we seeing a sort of misinterpretation of

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Speaker 2: the idea of a UFO, like in the parlance of

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Speaker 2: NASA and astronaut day to day operations, that could mean

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Speaker 2: many different things.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's the part of it.

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Speaker 1: He goes on and says that he was I guess

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Speaker 1: taken out of context or his statements were taken out

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Speaker 1: of context, and it goes further.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, serious what he says. He goes, we well

589
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Speaker 2: understood exactly what that was, and when we returned, we

590
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Speaker 2: debriefed and explained exactly what we had observed. And I

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Speaker 2: felt that this had been distributed to the outside world,

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Speaker 2: the outside audience, and apparently it wasn't. And so many

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Speaker 2: years later, so this was taken out of context. Basically,

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Speaker 2: so many years later, I had the time in an

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Speaker 2: interview to disclose these observations on another country's television network,

596
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Speaker 2: and the UFO people in the United States were very,

597
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Speaker 2: very very angry with me that I had not given

598
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Speaker 2: them this information. It was not an.

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Speaker 3: Alien and he continues saying, extraordinary observations require extraordinary evidence.

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Speaker 3: That's what Carl Sagan said. There may be aliens in

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Speaker 3: our Milky Way galaxy, and there are billions of other galaxies.

602
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Speaker 3: The probability is almost certain that there is life somewhere

603
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Speaker 3: in space. It was not that remarkable, that special, that unusual.

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Speaker 3: That life here on Earth evolved gradually slowly to where

605
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Speaker 3: we are today. But the distances involved in where some

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Speaker 3: evidence of life may be they may be hundreds of

607
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Speaker 3: light years away. That's a great point. That's like the

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Speaker 3: whole Fermi paradox thing we've discussed on the show numerous times.

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Speaker 4: So we can't get there, that's what he say.

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Speaker 3: And they probably can't get to us.

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Speaker 1: The odds are so low. So he's saying aliens do exist.

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Speaker 1: It's very likely that they do exist. It's highly unlikely

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Speaker 1: that we'll run into them. So he himself is denying

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Speaker 1: that he saw an alien and claiming instead it was

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Speaker 1: a UFO. And to your point, Noel, that just means

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Speaker 1: we didn't know exactly what it was. Yeah, it could

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Speaker 1: have been a million other things that were not extraterrestrial

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Speaker 1: in origin. So in this case, it seems that the

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Speaker 1: Aldron story may be largely discredited. We did mention, of course,

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Speaker 1: Cooper Mitchell passed away, so they had to be using

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Speaker 1: pre recorded audio. They should have mentioned that. But there's

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Speaker 1: something else here. What if Aldron was not the only

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Speaker 1: astronaut to see strange things in the stars. We know

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Speaker 1: that during the Gemini for Mission pilot, Jim McDivitt had

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Speaker 1: spotted an object he described as a white cylindrical shape

626
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Speaker 1: with a white pole sticking out of one corner of it.

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Speaker 4: He took a couple photos of.

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Speaker 1: It, and he thinks it was unknown but man made debris,

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Speaker 1: because near Earth orbit is just full of space junk, right,

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Speaker 1: But other people were saying, maybe it's the second stage

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Speaker 1: of a Titan two used in space exploration. And then

632
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, an astronaut named Leroy Chow

633
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Speaker 1: reported seeing lights in a line, almost like an upside

634
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Speaker 1: down check mark. He later identified these as being from

635
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Speaker 1: fishing boats hundreds of miles below. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: the astronauts who see unexplained stuff have later come back

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Speaker 1: and said, here is the mundane explanation.

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Speaker 3: Or is that because the men in black got to them?

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Speaker 1: Or is that because someone got to them? You know,

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Speaker 1: often when we hear that kind of story, the crazy

641
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Speaker 1: thing about about a group of people keeping another group

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Speaker 1: of people quiet and intimidated, it's difficult to believe in

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Speaker 1: most cases, because it's usually a matter of keeping hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of people quiet.

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Speaker 4: But the world is it lousy with astronauts?

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Speaker 3: There aren't that many, correct, and especially that many that

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Speaker 3: have been that far out.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Actually, there was only a very small handful of astronauts

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Speaker 3: who have been there far out.

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Speaker 4: Have you met one?

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Speaker 3: No?

653
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 4: Do you trust them?

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Speaker 1: Maybe A that's an inside joke for us from a

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Speaker 1: previous video where I think we ended it with have

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Speaker 1: you ever met an astronaut? But I believe we have.

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Speaker 1: I believe between the three of us we have met astronauts.

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Speaker 1: Pilots though, pilots are a different story, And there was

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Speaker 1: a story that recently came out. In February of twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: two airline pilots spotted a mysterious reflective object hovering about

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Speaker 1: forty thousand feet or twelve thousand meters for everybody outside

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Speaker 1: of Namibia, the United States, and mianmar over Arizona.

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Speaker 4: And the FAA.

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Speaker 1: The Federal Aviation Administration is stumped because these were pilots

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Speaker 1: in two different planes yep, so their perspective was different.

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Speaker 1: The Phoenix New Times released an FAA recording of this.

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Speaker 1: The sighting was three thirty in the afternoon on February

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth, over the desert near Phoenix, and no one

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Speaker 1: knows what it was. You can read a great article

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Speaker 1: on Live Science about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you call back to our Jeremy Corbell episodes,

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Speaker 3: we've discussed several of these, especially the last one we did.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about actual navy pilots that have seen UFOs

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Speaker 3: in the recent past. So it does occur on land,

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Speaker 3: or at least just above land quite frequently, these sightings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we have to be fair because just if

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Speaker 1: one just because one story turns out not to have

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Speaker 1: sand to it, doesn't mean that other stories are not true.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 1: And the last note we can leave you with here

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Speaker 1: that will perhaps send you off on a rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: of your own is the following. In an interview with

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Speaker 1: the BBC, head of UK Air Traffic Control, Richard Deacon claimed,

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Speaker 1: we see a UFO a month, wow id unidentified flying

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Speaker 1: object per month consistently.

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Speaker 3: But that could just be an unidentified plane that isn't

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Speaker 3: responding to their calls.

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Speaker 4: It could be a freaky looking bird man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: It could loans, yeah, or classified aircraft. M that's the

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Speaker 1: one I'm most excited about. But let us know what

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Speaker 1: UFO incidents you think hold the most sand, have the

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Speaker 1: most grit, the most credibility, right, which ones haven't been

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Speaker 1: proven to be?

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Speaker 4: What's the old saw? A weather balloon? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: We would love to hear from you. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's no secret that space is weird. Along with the

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Speaker 1: deepest avisial planes of the ocean. Space is one of

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Speaker 1: the least understood environments that humans have ever experienced. And

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Speaker 1: there's still tons and tons of unidentified objects being spotted

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Speaker 1: in the air, under the water. We don't know how

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Speaker 1: to explain them all. It's a pretty exciting time to

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Speaker 1: be alive when you think.

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Speaker 3: About it, it really is.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: And of course I think we would be good astronauts.

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Speaker 3: Not me in my back, I don't think I could.

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Speaker 4: I think you'd be a great astronaut.

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Speaker 2: Maybe zero race. You could wear one of those like

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Speaker 2: ups guy back brace things. Surely they can build that

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Speaker 2: into the space suit man. That can be taken into consideration.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, I'll look into it. Then we

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Speaker 2: should try out. Do they have open casting calls auditions?

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Speaker 1: I think it's the next next iteration of America's Got Talent.

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Speaker 1: I'd be cool it's NASA's Got Talent.

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Speaker 2: And this is one of the episodes about but like,

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Speaker 2: how do you guys feel? Obviously there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: nostalgia wrapped up in NASA. Everything we're talking about was

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Speaker 2: this kind of stuff that happened relatively in our lifetime.

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Speaker 2: And you guys are obviously hugely into the idea of

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Speaker 2: being an astronaut. How do you feel about the whole

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Speaker 2: like privatization of space travel and exploration and maybe some

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Speaker 2: of the emphasis moving away from the way it used

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Speaker 2: to be dying. Are we going to see more guys

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Speaker 2: like old buzz Aldrin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's a fascinating and complicated issue here, which

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Speaker 1: is the following. A lot of successful colonization in human

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Speaker 1: history was essentially privatized. Dutch East India Company horrific company,

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Speaker 1: very very bad, did terrible things, but without that push

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Speaker 1: toward privatization, it would not, you know, the path of

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Speaker 1: history would have been much different, and those expansionist forces

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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have been able to reach the places they

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Speaker 1: reached and maintain the hold they maintained for so long.

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Speaker 1: So privatization is the next. Also, I believe we're moving

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Speaker 1: away from states toward corporations.

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Speaker 2: So not inherently bad in fact, many good things about it,

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Speaker 2: but potentially potential.

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Speaker 1: For abuse, potential for terrible, terrible things to happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that could you know, you could say the same

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Speaker 1: about a state run operation, and a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of the big players that will be in the

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Speaker 1: future space race are going to be state and private partnerships,

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Speaker 1: you know, like that it may be supported with funding

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Speaker 1: from the state, but it's owned by a private entity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't Elon Musk strike you guys as kind of a

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Speaker 2: bond villain figure. He worries me.

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Speaker 3: He's done some pretty amazing things.

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Speaker 2: I know he has. I'm mainly joking, but it's part

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Speaker 2: of me that thinks he's going to build a sonic

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Speaker 2: death ray on the moon and blow up all the

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Speaker 2: poor people on the Earth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't get that from him. I

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Speaker 3: don't get it from him. I get that from several

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Speaker 3: people amongst his peers, but not him.

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Speaker 4: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a blow up the poor kind

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Speaker 1: of person. But I do think he would absolutely institute

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Speaker 1: an autocratic technocracy on Mars, similar to what our uh

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Speaker 1: our guy Marshall brain to.

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Speaker 2: Marshall brand and that's a fun episode.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he and Marshall should get together and get that

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Speaker 3: thing going. Get Google's new algorithms up there, work with them.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are brilliant. I can't imagine what they would

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Speaker 1: if we put them in a room and just gave

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Speaker 1: them an hour to talk. They well know, if we

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Speaker 1: put them in a cabin for a weekend, they will

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Speaker 1: come out with some kind of new, weird technology. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I would understand it.

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Speaker 4: I hope it's not a death ray.

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Speaker 2: I hope not.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's I think that we're going to see

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Speaker 1: something very much like the Dutch East India Company.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I can imagine leading the charge.

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Speaker 1: To space exploration and we have to as a species,

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Speaker 1: we have to go to space.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be like Cerebus from the Mass Effect Universe,

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Speaker 3: the Giant. They're a giant private company that basically ended

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Speaker 3: up being the most powerful thing that existed and the

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Speaker 3: most powerful entity that existed.

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Speaker 1: And of course there's another argument, which is maybe we

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Speaker 1: should just fix the Earth we have before we go

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Speaker 1: try to make another one.

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Speaker 2: How's that going?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: You know, ups and downs, mixed results. Humanity is still here.

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Speaker 2: The pendulum swings.

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Speaker 1: The pendulum swings like Earth is so resilient it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter to Earth if human beings are gone. There will

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Speaker 1: just be some some new iteration that will take our place.

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Speaker 1: But you know, collectively, it's kind of cool for us

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Speaker 1: to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I for one, am excited to get to Mars

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Speaker 3: because there's something there that we can explore that buzz

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Speaker 3: Aldrin himself has discussed before. Besides this whole thing about

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Speaker 3: seeing aliens or spacecraft or something while he was going

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Speaker 3: to the moon and orbiting, he also has mentioned a

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Speaker 3: very specific phenomena or an object that exists on one

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Speaker 3: of mars moons, Phobos. It's a monolith. He's talked about

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Speaker 3: it live on air.

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Speaker 6: We should go boldly where man has not gone before.

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Speaker 6: Fly by to comets, visit asteroids, visit the moon of Mars.

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Speaker 6: There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure on this

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Speaker 6: little potato shaped object that goes around Mars once in

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Speaker 6: seven hours. When people find out about that, they're going

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Speaker 6: to say.

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Speaker 4: Who put that there?

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Speaker 2: Who put that there?

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Speaker 6: Well, the universe put it there, if you choose, God

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Speaker 6: put it there.

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Speaker 3: There's also a monolith on Mars that has been observed.

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Speaker 3: And these are two things that I think we should

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Speaker 3: really really explore. Here's the thing. They're probably natural, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you we Ucham's razor it they're probably natural rock formations. However,

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Speaker 3: that there are two, one on both the planet and

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Speaker 3: the moon, one of the moons of the planet, is

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Speaker 3: fascinating to me, and I think we should explore it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure buzz alder and believed we should

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Look, that's fascinating to me that he he himself

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Speaker 1: be known for someone of being somewhat of a skeptic,

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Speaker 1: would be so interested in this idea. And you know, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask this question. I can't remember if

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Speaker 1: we asked it before. If offered, would you take a

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Speaker 1: one way ticket to live on Mars?

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Speaker 2: That's tough, man, But you.

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Speaker 4: Know, with like a cool job. And let's say you

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Speaker 4: knew you wouldn't die on the way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you could give me some assurances. Yeah, if it

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Speaker 2: had been done, I might do it.

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Speaker 4: I would totally do it.

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Speaker 1: I would also I would be the one who would say, well,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to stop at Mars, you know, I'll

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Speaker 1: just I'll keep going if if you have snacks.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the new Lost in Space reboot?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Not a fan, not a fan, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really gotten that deep into The only reason

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Speaker 2: I mentioned is because there's a whole thing in that

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Speaker 2: show where they all have to take a test like

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Speaker 2: aptitude tests in order to become the new colonizers of

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Speaker 2: space or the new planet that they're trying to find

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Speaker 2: because Earth is not doing so well.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think of unidentified flying objects? Are

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Speaker 1: they all mundane? Is there something further at play? Have

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Speaker 1: astronauts actually seen these and later denied them or have

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Speaker 1: they been misquoted and mischaracterized in the media on the

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