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Speaker 2: Is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 4: And I am Ma la Munos.

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Speaker 5: We're podcasting through another Trump election year. We've been podcasting

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Speaker 5: through election years, a global pandemic, civic unrest, political controversies,

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Speaker 2: We're not done telling stories.

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Speaker 1: We're still making podcasts. We're older, we're wiser, We're even

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Speaker 1: podcasting through a new decade of our lives.

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Speaker 5: Since twenty sixteen, we've been making locat Our Radio independently

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Speaker 5: until we joined iHeartMedia's Michael Dura Network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: From our Lips to your Ears, fall in love with

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Speaker 1: Loka to a radio like you never have before.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Season nine, Love at First Listen, O.

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Speaker 3: La La Loka Morees.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to season nine of look at Dora Radio. I'm

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Speaker 3: Look at Dora.

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Speaker 1: Radio is a podcast dedicated to archiving our present and

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Speaker 1: shifting the culture forward. You're tuning in to Capito.

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Speaker 3: Nine.

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Speaker 5: Last time on look Atter Radio, we interviewed Norma Melgoza

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Speaker 2: Well, the Hissing Cats.

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Speaker 6: First of all, the name the name is because both

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Speaker 6: This is one way that I can keep their legacy

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Speaker 5: Go ahead and give that episode a listen, leave us

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Speaker 1: Before we get into today's interview, we want to remind

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Speaker 1: you all that we are having a two hundredth episode

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Speaker 1: activation a pop up at Boulevard Market on June eighth,

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Speaker 1: from six pm to eleven Tell our listeners a little

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Speaker 5: So we have a lot going on that evening. It's

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Speaker 5: going to be super fun. In addition to celebrating nine

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Speaker 5: It's going to be a vibe. Before that, starting at

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Speaker 5: Radio memories for what we're calling our lok at Memory Bank.

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Speaker 5: So think about all of your favorite look at doa Moments, episodes, soundbites, events,

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Speaker 5: Boulevard Market prepared to share your favorite look at tha

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Speaker 5: on our two hundredth episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. This has been a long time coming.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we say that about everything, but it's so

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Speaker 1: true because it took joining Michael Dura iHeartRadio's Michael Dura

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Speaker 1: to become a weekly podcast, like that was the only way.

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Speaker 3: For it to be sustainable.

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Speaker 1: I think because we've been doing it for so long, Like, really,

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Speaker 3: We were doing bi monthly or.

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Speaker 1: That's a long time in the podcast game.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 5: We've talked about this before, and we used to we

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Speaker 5: we did we did look at Thought when we could,

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Speaker 5: and like we've said before, there is a podcast graveyard

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Speaker 1: So many of our favorite Latino LATINX podcast rap they

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Speaker 5: And maybe one day they'll be resurrected. We pray, we pray.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we need, we need more funding for LATINX podcasts.

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Speaker 5: It's a big deal, and you know there's a lot

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Speaker 5: And then for other reasons, the Bodego Boys rip. We're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're just still sad about them, we are. But AnyWho,

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about something that's not necessarily trendy, but

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Speaker 5: Apparently millennials are not having children. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: joined by an incredible guest today. Her name is Vicky Losa. Hey, Vicky,

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Speaker 4: Hi, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 7: Yes, my name is Victoria Losa, but please don't call Victoria,

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Speaker 7: Sound like I'm in trouble with my mom. I'm a

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Speaker 5: We are here to talk about something that is very

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Speaker 5: you've been focusing on this topic in your content, in

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 4: This is my favorite topic.

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Speaker 1: And I've been following you for some time, so I've

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Speaker 1: And again, I think that's such an important thing to emphasize,

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Speaker 7: Okay, so basically I started my you know, everybody, Instagram

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Speaker 7: Yes they don't like I don't think they also realized

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Speaker 7: my house and she was crying, like after my mom

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Speaker 7: dropped out. I'm like, why why are She's like, I

442
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 7: don't like it when mommy calls me Gorda. She's like,

443
00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 7: it makes me feel bad. I'm like okay, and so

444
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 7: was like, mommy doesn't need it in a bad way,

445
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 7: but I will talk to mommy and don't worry, she

446
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 7: won't call you that anymore, and.

447
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 4: She has not to this day.

448
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 7: But like it's just I'm like, you guys got to

449
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 7: be aware of what you're saying, because you guys kind

450
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 7: of can really muss these kids up. Yeah, especially nowadays

451
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 7: because gen Z or gen Alfa, whatever they are, they're

452
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 7: very soft.

453
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Speaker 5: And also it's just rude that it's just straight up rude.

454
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 5: And I'm like, you know, in some cultures people are nice.

455
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Speaker 3: Yes, not ours, No, not some of them.

456
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Speaker 2: Some cultures.

457
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Speaker 5: And like if a person speaking English to their child

458
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Speaker 5: were to be like, hey.

459
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Speaker 2: Fatty, it's true, it just wouldn't work out.

460
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Speaker 4: It does not, and it doesn't no sound right, sound right?

461
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,719
Speaker 7: Like Latinos are very gotta have some tough skin for them.

462
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Speaker 5: Man, it's too much, it is, but you overcame. Yeah,

463
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 5: you're breaking generational curses.

464
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Speaker 4: I'm trying.

465
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Speaker 2: I love that you advocated for your little sister in

466
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Speaker 2: that way.

467
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Speaker 7: I feel like I'm well, I'm the oldest. So I'm

468
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 7: the oldest out of four now and that's it. No more, Norma, please,

469
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 7: I can't do my mental health can't take it anymore.

470
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 7: But I feel like since I grew up an older sister,

471
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 7: I feel like everything that I've gone through. I just

472
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 7: try to put it out on social media and not

473
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Speaker 7: in a bad way. It's nothing has ever to diss

474
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Speaker 7: my mother in any way, shape or form.

475
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Speaker 4: She knows that.

476
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Speaker 7: But I just like to put my own personal experiences

477
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 7: out there because I know I'm not the only one

478
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 7: dealing with whatever I'm dealing with, and if it could

479
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 7: help another like Latina, then why not.

480
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Speaker 2: It's a cultural thing.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you decide, like I'm going to start

482
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Speaker 1: making content about my choice to be childless?

483
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Speaker 7: I think it was January of twenty twenty two, either no,

484
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 7: or twenty twenty three. I think it was last year, yes,

485
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 7: because I went to New York and I had started

486
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 7: the first gen Latina content, like not so long. I

487
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 7: started the first gen Latina content, like I think at

488
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 7: the end of twenty twenty two, and I went to

489
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Speaker 7: New York with my best friend No. We had a

490
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 7: boot camp and I was like and I was like,

491
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Speaker 7: I don't know what to post, you know, which is

492
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Speaker 7: one of those I was like, I don't know what

493
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 7: to post. She's like, why don't you do one of

494
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 7: your first gen Latina videos. She's like, I can talk

495
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Speaker 7: about how you don't want kids, and I was like, ah, perfect,

496
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 7: but I you know, I made the little video and

497
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Speaker 7: it was just like b roll up me New York,

498
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 7: like nothing wild, and I just did a voiceover and

499
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Speaker 7: that's when like I was saying it.

500
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Speaker 4: But like I very much had been vocal about it all.

501
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 7: My stories, like beforehand, like I didn't expect the post

502
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Speaker 7: to go viral, but it sure did.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what was the first type of comments you

504
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: were seeing on that initial post, the very first one

505
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Speaker 1: you put out there.

506
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Speaker 7: I think there was a lot of women in there

507
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 7: that were really really supportive, and I don't think I

508
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 7: got any bad comments until I think the bad comments

509
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 7: just started rolling in around this year, okay, not last year.

510
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 7: I think everybody was pretty supportive for the most part.

511
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Speaker 2: Interesting.

512
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting to me too, because that was

513
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Speaker 1: I think the post that we saw just a couple

514
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: months ago when we reached out to you, and maybe

515
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: it's only been a month. It was a ig reel, yes,

516
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: and it was such a beautiful post until it went south,

517
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Speaker 1: So tell us about it.

518
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Speaker 7: I was shocked. So basically I was in Poland with

519
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 7: my best friend Noel and we were filming for our

520
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 7: app and again she got b roll of me, and

521
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 7: I came across this Instagram reel of the girl doing

522
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 7: the exact same thing.

523
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Speaker 4: It was just her sitting down. It was just b roll.

524
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 4: And she asked that same.

525
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Speaker 7: Question if I did, like women over forty, that our

526
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Speaker 7: child free by choice answer a question that someone in

527
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Speaker 7: their thirties that is child's free by choice may have.

528
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Speaker 7: And when I skimmed through her comments, I think they

529
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Speaker 7: were very they were very supportive, and I very much

530
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 7: directed my question at women, and I said child free

531
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Speaker 7: by choice, and and I made sure to be very

532
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Speaker 7: respectful in my post.

533
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Speaker 4: Well, the men found it.

534
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 7: The men found it, and the men don't have reading

535
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 7: comprehension skills. I'm gonna take it because they took this

536
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 7: postss Oh, I'm a bitter woman in my thirties, and

537
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 7: please social media convince me that I'm making the right choice.

538
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 7: And I'm just I would have loved to have a

539
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Speaker 7: conversation with a man like that, like, just like face

540
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 7: to face, like why do you think this way? Why

541
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 7: are you weird?

542
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you?

543
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 4: What is wrong with you?

544
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 7: Because listen, at the end of the day, I simply

545
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 7: don't understand why a man on social media that doesn't

546
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 7: follow me, doesn't know anything about me, doesn't know my background,

547
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 7: doesn't know that I had to raise everybody, and blah

548
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 7: bah blah would think that I'm a bitter thirty year

549
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 7: old because I simply don't want to have kids. I

550
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 7: will never understand why they think that way.

551
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 5: It's really strange. But they make everything their problem and

552
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 5: their business.

553
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 4: I'm just like John from down the block. How does

554
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 4: my uterus affect you?

555
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: Not at all?

556
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: We have lots of questions about that.

557
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's in everybody's uteruses these days.

558
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 5: Man just camping out getting comfy like they own the

559
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 5: damn place for real. It's bizarre. We're going on a

560
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 5: quick break, but don't go anywhere. Look, amorees, We'll be

561
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 5: right back.

562
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Speaker 1: I have a follow up question about the original post

563
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: that you saw that inspired your posts. Okay, so I

564
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: have to ask, was this person, this other creator white?

565
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

566
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: Okay? And were the people commenting?

567
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Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to tell on social media, right,

568
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: like it could be a Latino latina, but also like

569
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: there's bots like you just never know pages but from

570
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: your you know, viewing the comments, like was mix was

571
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: it like Latino men?

572
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: Commenting both.

573
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Speaker 7: I've had Latino men, I've had white men, I've had

574
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 7: Middle Eastern men, just all of them, all of them,

575
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 7: all the men, all the men. It got to the

576
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 7: point where I had, like the post went crazy. It

577
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 7: got three point seven million views. I had to turn

578
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 7: off the comments. Yeah, and I even got harassed in

579
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 7: my DMS like, oh, you had to turn off the

580
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 7: comments because you're little posted and turn out the way

581
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 7: I wanted it to. I was like, no, I turned

582
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 7: off the comments because you guys don't have reading comprehension skills.

583
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're bothering you.

584
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like it's your posts, it's.

585
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 5: Your post, Like people are so weird about that. Like

586
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: the block feature exists, so we can use.

587
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: It restrict, you know, block delete. I'll do what I want.

588
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 5: Baby, this is my page, no matter what, no matter

589
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 5: who it is, and it shouldn't fucking matter.

590
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: They just want unlimited access. Yeah.

591
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 7: And what also bothers me is there's also the little

592
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 7: sprinkle of women right in the comment sections, like well,

593
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 7: I love my kids and I feel so sorry for you.

594
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm glad you love your kids. You should

595
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 4: love your kids.

596
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 7: You had your kids, you chose to have them, love them, right, Yeah.

597
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 4: What is me not wanting kids have to do with you?

598
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

599
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 7: And then I've also gotten from women like you should

600
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 7: feel so ashamed of yourself. There's women out in this

601
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 7: world that can't have kids and you that you can.

602
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 7: You choose not to question how do they know?

603
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: One? Yes, exactly, how do you? How do you know

604
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: I can have kids?

605
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 7: Number one, I've never like, I've never even gotten on

606
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 7: social media say that I am able to or I'm

607
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 7: not able to. Number two is let's hypothetical here, Let's

608
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 7: say I decided to have a child, and Susan can

609
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 7: have kids.

610
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 4: If I have a child, how does that? But how

611
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 4: does that benefit Susan?

612
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: Not at all? How not at all?

613
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: Susan still can't have kids.

614
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, and here I have one extra child that I

615
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 7: never wanted, right, yeah, exactly.

616
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Speaker 2: Very It's very.

617
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Speaker 5: Weird, like people just want women to like fall in

618
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 5: line and get married and have babies and like that's it.

619
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 7: But it's also like, as as a man when women

620
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 7: have kids, because I've seen so many things like play out,

621
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 7: Like you come home after your hard day at work

622
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 7: and you're tired and you don't want to attend to

623
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 7: the kids, and.

624
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: But you wanted these kids so bad.

625
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 7: So I understand that you're taught, but you don't think

626
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 7: your wife is tired from being at home with the

627
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 7: kids all day. Being a homemaker is a full time job.

628
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 7: You're a house cleaner, a babysitter. Uh financial you know advisor,

629
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 7: You're you're paying these bills, You're you're the manager of

630
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 7: the house. Like, you do so much, and you're drained

631
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 7: from mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy. And then your husband

632
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 7: still comes home and he so doesn't help.

633
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: With the kids.

634
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: Right there. There are so many like married single mothers.

635
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so many. Like I'm sure you guys saw

636
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: that TikTok about Harrison. What's this?

637
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was going to bring up.

638
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Honeycus.

639
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you have.

640
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: Someone like Harrison Bucker like saying that the women's job

641
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: is to be in, you know, raise a family.

642
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 7: Why are you at a graduation talking about you women

643
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 7: and the diabolical lives been told?

644
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: I was so bizarre.

645
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 7: And like then there was follow up thingsaying like his

646
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 7: mom was like a physicist.

647
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: Like his mom is a working professional.

648
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, she has like full on degree of everything. Very

649
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 7: intelligent woman and smart. Yeah, and it's like again a

650
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 7: commencement speech and you're talking about how a women's job

651
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 7: like that, Your wife didn't her life didn't start until

652
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 7: she met you and had your kids, and as a

653
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 7: homemaker one. There's just so many things that play into that,

654
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 7: Like you make a very nice and comfortable salary to

655
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 7: keep your wife at home, and that's lovely for you guys,

656
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 7: but what about say Latin Latino household like that can't

657
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 7: afford something like that, So what there, Maria's life didn't

658
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 7: start because she can't stay at home with the kids

659
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 7: because just work, yes, to work, Like I'm confused, Like

660
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 7: there's just so many.

661
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: There's so many layers.

662
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Speaker 3: That's why.

663
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: Like bringing up someone like Harrison Bucker, right, and this

664
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: speech that he made, like you said at a commencement

665
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: speech was is wildly inappropriate.

666
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: It's not the right setting, even if that is your belief.

667
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 7: Give me yourself, buddy, Like congratulate everyone there. Yeah, class

668
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 7: of twenty twenty four, you did good night and goodbye.

669
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: So we have that, and then it just feels like

670
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: everything on social media is obviously of my crosm of

671
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: what's happening externally in the real world. Yeah, and so

672
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: it just it's very connected. So that is why you

673
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: have people in your comments saying all kinds of things

674
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: to you, talking crazy as if you're telling them not

675
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: to have tring exactly.

676
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 7: I've I very much put my own stuff, my own

677
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 7: opinions of myself and what I'm doing with my life

678
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 7: on social media too.

679
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: If there's anybody else.

680
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 7: Like me, hey, you're good, your solid like you know,

681
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 7: trust your own process, and don't let the opinions of

682
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 7: others like get to you. I'm not here on social

683
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 7: media trying to tell everyone like, hey, don't have kids,

684
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 7: don't do this. I'm I've never once have said that,

685
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 7: and I literally get the opposite in my comments, And

686
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 7: it's the who's gonna take care of you when you're old.

687
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 5: And it's who's gonna take care of you, sir, don't

688
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 5: worry about that.

689
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: And about yourself.

690
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 5: And those guys in your comments, I'm pretty sure they

691
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 5: don't have kids, and if they do, why aren't they

692
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 5: taking care of them?

693
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: Why.

694
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 7: I've literally had men in my comments, you know, saying

695
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 7: all of those things, and their picture is like them

696
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 7: and their two kids and I'm like, shouldn't you be

697
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 7: taking care of your kids or taking them to soccer

698
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 7: practice or something? And you're over here in the comment

699
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 7: section fighting with a thirty year old girl and you

700
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 7: look like you're damn near.

701
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, sixty camped out in a random woman's comment section,

702
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: Like your children are like jumping off the roof and

703
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 5: breaking their necks. They need their diapers change, kids.

704
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: Don't worry about me, sweetie. I'm fine.

705
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very strange. It's very bizarre, but like, yeah,

706
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 5: men are that way. They're just like there's that they

707
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 5: want that sense of control, even if it's over.

708
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: Someone in something that has nothing to do with them.

709
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 7: They're they're very much they're like, oh, withn't just say

710
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 7: you're a feminist, Well then I'm a feminist, buddy.

711
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what you want me to.

712
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 7: Tell you, Like, what what's so wrong about being a feminist?

713
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't.

714
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 7: Are you guys upset that we're not back in like

715
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 7: nineteen twenty sitting at home waiting for you guys to

716
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 7: get home from more and like with a nice little meal.

717
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: That's exactly what they're playing about.

718
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, make enough money to support an entire household or.

719
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 7: Learn how to build a house, and then and then

720
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 7: we'll talk get a bigger check and then oh but

721
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 7: then it's like, if you tell these men to get

722
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 7: a bigger check, oh, well then you're a gold digger.

723
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: So which one isn't?

724
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: Buddy?

725
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: Are we gold diggers?

726
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 7: But if you want to keep us at home with

727
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 7: the kids and be a homemaker, how does that?

728
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 5: They can't afford it, Well, you can't afford it. Yeah,

729
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 5: they can't afford to stay at home wives. No, and

730
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 5: they can't afford multiple kids.

731
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 7: And that's why they're mad because their legacy.

732
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about that.

733
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Let's debunk some of the common reasons people say women

734
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: or just people in general should have kids.

735
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: You know, one is who's going to carry on the legacy?

736
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: What do you say to that?

737
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: I say, what legacy? Like, if you're not the Queen

738
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: of England, the King of England or like somebody of

739
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 4: that stature, what legacy do you have?

740
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 7: Like if you're not well off, if you're now damn

741
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 7: near a millionaire, a billionaire.

742
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 4: What, let's be for real, what do you have besides debt?

743
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 7: And that's that's how I see, Like, what do you

744
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 7: have besides debt, Like, so, what is your legacy?

745
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: You're leaving your kids with? What debt? Because it costs

746
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 4: to die?

747
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 7: Now mm hmm, well it's always cost to die, but

748
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, so unless you're

749
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 7: somebody that's really up here and like you have a

750
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 7: last name that is super powerful, what legacy.

751
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 4: Are you really leaving behind?

752
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a this is a really interesting point,

753
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 5: especially when we think about like the type of men

754
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 5: that you just described, yeah, fighting with you in the comments.

755
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: They have kids?

756
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, why do I want that man's yeah to carry

757
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 5: on forever?

758
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: Like, what is so great about that random fucking man?

759
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 4: Let it die?

760
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 5: You know, why does he need to like continue to

761
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 5: populate the years.

762
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 7: There's no reason And honestly a lot of these people

763
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 7: in these comments that they all need therapy.

764
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it means so much therapy.

765
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

766
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: So next next thing people say is like, well, who's

767
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: going to take care of you?

768
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: If this is this? I feel like I have a

769
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: great rebuttal for that.

770
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 7: It's like, okay, if you're having kids as a retirement plan,

771
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 7: that's a very selfish People tell me that I'm selfish

772
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 7: for not having kids. I don't think it's selfish at all.

773
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 7: I think it's very unselfish. I think it's selfish if

774
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 7: you're having kids for a retirement plan, and let's let's

775
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 7: go into that a little bit. If you're having kids

776
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 7: to take care of you when you're old, Yes, what

777
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 7: if your kid doesn't like you?

778
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: There's no guarantee your child doesn't take care of you.

779
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 7: What is Yeah, Like I had a girl in my

780
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 7: comments saying I'm eighteen, I'm not taking care of my

781
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 7: mom when she gets older, And I'm said, and look, exactly,

782
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 7: what guarantees that you're gonna have a good relationship with

783
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 7: your child? What guarantees you that your child is gonna

784
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 7: want to take care of you? Like I tell that

785
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 7: to my and I think that to my mom understood

786
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 7: it from a very like because I started saying this

787
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 7: at a very young age. Like I'm like, I love

788
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 7: my mom and I will take care of my mom.

789
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 7: My mom' said we're going to retire my home, Like

790
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 7: I will deal with my mother. I'm not gonna what

791
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 7: if I have a kid and it does not turn

792
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 7: out like me? Like caring no kids.

793
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 5: Can come out any kind of exactly like you know,

794
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 5: no matter how you raise them, you you can't actually

795
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 5: ultimately control the person that your child will become.

796
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 7: And especially if you're that demented, like your child is

797
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 7: gonna resent you.

798
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 5: And there's a lot there's a you know, I'm sure

799
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 5: this has been going on for years, but at least

800
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 5: on TikTok see a lot more young people becoming adults

801
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: and going no contact ye with your family.

802
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a whole movement.

803
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: So that's a whole thing.

804
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 7: Like I've seen the videos, Like I saw this video

805
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 7: of this girl like stalking her sister because she went

806
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 7: no contact with her family and like tries to reach

807
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 7: out any way she can.

808
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: One I saw that video.

809
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was like this woman telling this story

810
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: as if it was really funny. And she says that

811
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: when she meets strangers, she asks if she can borrow

812
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: their phone and will reach out to her sister via

813
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: this person's phone, like it can be someone brand new

814
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: she met at a bar, like a new friend, and

815
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: she'll reach out to her sister and be like, hey,

816
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: it's me. And she thought it was hilarious and people

817
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: were like, girl, this is why you're blocked, Like this

818
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: is why your family.

819
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: Your sister's no contact with you.

820
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she does not want to talk to you at all.

821
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, so yeah, you can very much turn out that way.

822
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 7: So it's like, that's not your kids are your kids

823
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 7: shouldn't be a retirement plan, agreed.

824
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 5: No, And you know you could very well have a

825
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 5: child who needs your caretaking for the rest of their lives.

826
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: Yep, you know that's a very real thing as well.

827
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: I think people forget about that.

828
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: Yes, and when you're a parent, you have to be

829
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 5: prepared for the possibility that you're going to take care

830
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: of your child forever. Yeah, you know, until they prove

831
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 5: that they can take care of themselves.

832
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: Yes, Okay.

833
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: Next common thing people say, what if you regret it.

834
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 7: I don't think I can regret something I never had.

835
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 7: I simply don't think that way. Like I can regret

836
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 7: not having some coffee or that chocolate, But I don't

837
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 7: think I can regret not having a child. I very

838
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 7: much have always said from like the age of ten

839
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 7: my mom, since I was little, I've always said I've

840
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 7: never wanted kids. I've always been very vocal or adamant

841
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 7: about it, Like, and I know myself, I'm not going

842
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 7: to regret it, right.

843
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: I think for me, the scariest part is what if

844
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: you regret having children?

845
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: There's no undoing it.

846
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: Now, I think I would regret heavy. And this is

847
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: what I've like I say, I'm just like.

848
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 7: I'm very about me now, like now that I've like

849
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 7: said some boundaries with my mom, like, I'm very about me.

850
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 7: I'm very I do with my time with.

851
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: What I please.

852
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 7: I don't stop working sometimes on the laptop to like

853
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 7: eight pm. I'm like, oh, I'm trying to get ready

854
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 7: for bed. I can't do that if I, like have

855
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 7: a kid, I already. And I'm just gonna be real

856
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 7: honest with you guys. My patience is this way. I

857
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 7: don't have patience for kids.

858
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: I don't. My sister tells me sometimes Vicky, Vicki, VICKI.

859
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 7: Now I imagine if that was Mommy, momy, mom Oh.

860
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: No, I can't do it. No. I simply I feel

861
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: like I would be.

862
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 7: Honestly doing a huge disservice to myself if I were

863
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 7: to have a child.

864
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: Right. It's so, it's it's like people.

865
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 5: Also, I think we like as human beings, I firmly

866
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 5: believe that we are going to do the things that

867
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 5: we truly want to do and that we're meant to do.

868
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 5: And people who want to become mothers will become mothers, yes,

869
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: one way or another, you know, and motherhood can look

870
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 5: a lot of different ways.

871
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: And so I.

872
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 5: Feel like, if it's truly meant for you and you

873
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: truly want it, it's going to happen, and there's no

874
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 5: need to like put all this pressure on people who

875
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 5: are so grounded and just know it's not for me,

876
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 5: you know.

877
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: But in addition to what you're saying, well, there's also

878
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: the group of women that felt this is what I

879
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: have to do, right is I got married, this is

880
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: the next step, I'm supposed to have a child, and

881
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: so I'm going to have a family without really even

882
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: examining if that's what they really wanted.

883
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: Right.

884
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: It's the societal conditioning, this pressure that that's what you

885
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: do to actually to self actualize as a quote woman.

886
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: So that's what makes you a quote real woman when

887
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: you finally have children.

888
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 7: I've had a lot a lot of women in my

889
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 7: DMS tell me, oh, thank you so much for talking

890
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 7: about stuff like this, Like I'm very much gonstill this

891
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 7: in my daughter, whether she's like, you know, get let

892
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 7: her know that, you know, she has options that she

893
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 7: doesn't have to be a mom. They tell me, I

894
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 7: wish there was someone around when I was younger like you,

895
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 7: because I did what I thought I was supposed to do, right,

896
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 7: and that's you know, get married and have children even

897
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 7: though you may not want to, especially in a Latino household.

898
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

899
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: I mean I think about that all the time with

900
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: like my mom and my theas. My mom is like,

901
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: I think my mom is one of those people where

902
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: it's like she was going to.

903
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: Be a mom.

904
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: You know, my mom, I wanted to be a mom.

905
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that at all. So I don't mean

906
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: to imply otherwise. But my point is that that generation

907
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: my mom my Theas are a Bolas and the women

908
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: before them, they don't have the option to not have children.

909
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: That was just what you had to do.

910
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

911
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 5: I mean when we hear about, oh grandma had twelve kids. Yeah, man,

912
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 5: grandma had fifteen kids, It's like, is is she okay

913
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 5: she want.

914
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: Did she want all to have Yeah?

915
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: Because it's like there was a lack of contraception. Our

916
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 5: ideas around consent are not what they once were. We

917
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 5: we didn't have ideas around consent at all. At some

918
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 5: point it just didn't exist, especially within a marriage.

919
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: And then adding if you're Catholic, right, there's there's no

920
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: real family. I mean the family planning is to plan

921
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: for children. Yes, that's all that family planning is the plan.

922
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: That's the plan. There's no like, oh, let's use birth

923
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: control or you know, use what use another type of method.

924
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: It's like, if we procreate quote unquote, we're gonna have

925
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: it's it's if we're gonna have sex.

926
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: It's to procreate.

927
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, point blank. Period.

928
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 5: And as far as like sexual assault laws, there were

929
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 5: sexual assault laws on the books, but it was about

930
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 5: stranger rape.

931
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: Marital was brought in later.

932
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it was like one of the last

933
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 5: forms of sexual assault to be brought in like legislatively,

934
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 5: and so like I think about all those women who

935
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 5: had all these kids, like dozens of children, and I'm like,

936
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 5: I don't know that this was that beautiful, big family

937
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 5: that we romanticize.

938
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 7: My grandma had like sixteen. I think that's a lot

939
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 7: of children, to the point where my mom would be like, oh,

940
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 7: she didn't even remember anybody's birthday. I'm like, well, how

941
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 7: do you do you blame her, Yeah, sixteen wild no,

942
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 7: thank you.

943
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 5: It becomes a quality of life thing, not only for

944
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 5: it's for the mother and for the children, for everybody involved.

945
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 5: I mean there's just no way that one person or

946
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 5: two parents, you know, can really give that individual attention

947
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 5: to so many children that.

948
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: And like especially Mexico back in the day.

949
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 7: Like that, like there was no money mm hmm that

950
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 7: my mom said they were walking out on barefoot. They

951
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 7: had no money for shoes, they had no money for pads,

952
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 7: my mom, so they had to make like five pads

953
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 7: last the entire time you had your period, Like can

954
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 7: you imagine that?

955
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's some like deep like ancestral trauma that you know,

956
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 5: is like now I think in this generation settling in

957
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 5: and we're like rejecting that pressure. Yeah, and to do

958
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 5: things like that to ourselves and to relive Yeah, you

959
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 5: know those lives that have already been lived.

960
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: It's like enough is enough something and we need something new.

961
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: And Grandma had enough kids from everybody.

962
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: That's so true to that point.

963
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: You know a lot of the women that came before us,

964
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: like we already said, we're not told or taught that

965
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: they couldn't have a full life without children. Right, So

966
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: when you envision your future, clearly you've stated you envision

967
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: it without children. That's your choice, that's what you want.

968
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: What do you envision your future to look like?

969
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 7: Nice house, m And that's especially here in La A

970
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 7: nice house and honestly, maybe two more dogs, a house

971
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 7: for my mom. Like I've always said this, I'm like,

972
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 7: I'm not buying a house for me first. I'm buying

973
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 7: a house for my mom first, and then I'll take

974
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 7: care of me. Like I am a single woman with

975
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 7: one dog. I can live in my loft for as

976
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 7: long as I need to. That's enough space. But I've

977
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 7: always envisioned a house for my mom and then for

978
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 7: me and then just traveling doing whatever I want on

979
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 7: my own time. Like I keep saying to myself, I'm like,

980
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 7: I'll be thirty four in July. I'll be thirty four

981
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 7: in one month, and I'm giving myself as much as

982
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 7: I can in the fitness industry for these next six years,

983
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 7: and I need to make more of a name for

984
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 7: myself and as much money as I possibly can. And

985
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 7: I don't mean that to like so I can go

986
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 7: shopping on road Dale Drive every single day. No, I mean,

987
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 7: it's so like that I know that my mom is good,

988
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 7: my family's good, my sister's good, my sister's ten would

989
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 7: love to pay for her college. I need to instill,

990
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 7: you know that she needs to have a good education

991
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 7: and that I've got her and she doesn't need to

992
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 7: worry about financial aid or.

993
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: Like stuff like that.

994
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 7: Because as much as I don't want kids like, I

995
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 7: very much feel like I still take care of those

996
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 7: around me. But I just I want to do as

997
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 7: I want to make as much as I can to

998
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 7: first take care of my family, then take care of me,

999
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 7: and then just live a good, comfortable life because we

1000
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 7: came from struggle and we're just I'm not trying.

1001
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 4: To go back.

1002
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it sounds like if you were to choose

1003
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: to have children, which again would be fine, it doesn't

1004
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: seem like you'd be able to help pay for your

1005
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: sister's tuition. You know, Like there's these that's like the

1006
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: nuance that people choose to ignore obviously when they don't

1007
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: know you. So you're not going to have this nuanced

1008
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: conversation with strangers on the internet. But that is like

1009
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: that nuanced part of this conversation that we can have

1010
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: here where it's like you are. You stated it before,

1011
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: like you've mothered in different ways. You've been mothering your sisters,

1012
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: your siblings for a very long time. Yeah, and that's

1013
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: part of why you've made this choice.

1014
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: Correct, Like I've I what was it? My mom? Mom

1015
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: came over here when she was seventeen.

1016
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 7: She got married when she was seventeen in Mexico with

1017
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 7: my dad seventeen. And she also has stated that she

1018
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 7: actually wanted to get married and leave because it was

1019
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 7: so many kids in the house, right, So came over

1020
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 7: here and she had two kids by the age of

1021
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 7: twenty and I was two years old. My brother was

1022
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 7: only a month and my dad passed away. So can

1023
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 7: you imagine being twenty no family, like quite literally no

1024
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 7: family here, no job, no nothing, no fallback. You don't

1025
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 7: speak English, for the love of God. So I don't

1026
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 7: know how my mom made it happen, but my mom

1027
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 7: made it happen. And I've always helped my mom financially.

1028
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 7: I've started working when I was fifteen. I begged her

1029
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 7: to leave her second husband at the age of eighteen,

1030
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 7: and I was like, listen, I will I will take

1031
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 7: care of it, Like I will help you out I

1032
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 7: will have. I had three jobs, all my checks when

1033
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 7: her helped with my brothers. When she got pregnant when

1034
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 7: she was forty, I said, I got you. Don't worry,

1035
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 7: We'll figure it out. But that's my thing. I've always

1036
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 7: figured it out for everybody else. I've always taken care

1037
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 7: of everybody else. I take care of my little sister

1038
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 7: right now. I do the school drop off. I do

1039
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 7: all of it, So I'm fine with doing that. I

1040
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 7: don't mind helping. But moving forward, I just want to

1041
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 7: take care of me and be my number one priority.

1042
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 5: And that's so like it's just you know, oh gosh,

1043
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 5: I feel like it's something so huge when we look

1044
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 5: at it and we think of all the generations of

1045
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 5: women that came before you, you are probably the very

1046
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 5: very first one ever who can live for yourself on

1047
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 5: your own terms, in your own apartment, you know, traveling

1048
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 5: for you with your own business. And I feel like

1049
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 5: I've heard this story from other women, like in my

1050
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 5: community where oh so and so got married so that

1051
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 5: she could leave her mother's house. So and so that

1052
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 5: was like the way out. Yeah, it was an escape

1053
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 5: and a way to like have your own own space

1054
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 5: and your own place to live was like starting a family,

1055
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 5: and we just have different.

1056
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: Choices now, thank god.

1057
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 5: And it really is so revolutionary, and I mean it's

1058
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 5: like also the fact that it's met with such vitriol

1059
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 5: is also very telling. It's like they want us to

1060
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: be in a place of constant struggle.

1061
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, like for what we we came from? Struggle? Is

1062
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: that not the point to level up to do better?

1063
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 4: I don't It's insane.

1064
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1065
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 5: And then I feel like a lot of these men too,

1066
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 5: they have these weird like nostalgic Well my mom did

1067
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 5: all of this and she was she was cooking and

1068
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: cleaning and breastfeeding and.

1069
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 7: Marry right, marry your mommy. That that's what they want.

1070
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 7: They don't want a wife. They want somebody to mother them.

1071
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 4: That's it. And again it's not all men. There's some

1072
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 4: very very intelligent men out there.

1073
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 7: But God, I feel like the men that don't understand

1074
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 7: and the lack it overpowers them.

1075
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean those intelligent men, they're not the

1076
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: ones in your comments.

1077
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 4: No, they're not going to be doing that.

1078
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: They're actually going to be taking care of their family.

1079
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 7: I exactly, I know, very successful, you know, put together

1080
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 7: like family men and not one of them gets offended

1081
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 7: by anything I said. They're like, and they're like, because

1082
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 7: I know that it's not directed towards me. I'm like, exactly,

1083
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 7: because you're not one of the weirdos in my comments

1084
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 7: begging me to have children so weird totally.

1085
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: I mean, my brother, one of my brothers, has two

1086
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: children and they're teenagers, and he you know, he loves

1087
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: his children, but he told me if I were to

1088
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: be a parent now in twenty twenty four, I don't

1089
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: know if I would have kids, because it's different. It

1090
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: like I think when they had kids, it, you know,

1091
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: this was like maybe sixteen years ago, so the landscape

1092
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: was different, Like every thing's felt more attainable. Yeah, you

1093
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: could buy a house, Yeah you could. You could travel

1094
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: with your family now, like starting now at Z zero,

1095
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: it's different.

1096
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 7: And then also like do we not realize how expensive

1097
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Speaker 7: it life is? Like yep, life is expensive. Yeah, groceries

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Speaker 7: are expensive. Rent is expensive, Like the homeless population here

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Speaker 7: in la is insane because people can simply afford rent.

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Speaker 7: They don't pay you enough. Minimum wage is crap and

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Speaker 7: it barely makes you enough to pay your one bedroom

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Speaker 7: apartment that it's gonna end up costing you twenty five

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Speaker 7: twenty eight hundred dollars, and on.

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Speaker 4: Top of that you want to add now, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's a scary. It's a scary world.

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Speaker 5: I mean we can add on and then once the

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Speaker 5: kid is school age, I mean all the stuff with

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Speaker 5: school shootings, it just all feels very unsafe and unattainable.

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Speaker 7: Here's my thing on that very very small detour, the

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Speaker 7: Uvalde school shooting. It took you, guys, how long to

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Speaker 7: get in there and to do anything, to do your job,

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Speaker 7: to your job to protect and serve.

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Speaker 4: But when there is a simple peaceful protest, you come

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Speaker 4: in strapped up, ready to go.

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Speaker 7: No one's pushing you, no one' say anything. They're quite

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Speaker 7: simply chanting words yep. And you push back and you

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Speaker 7: throw pellets and the whole nine. But you couldn't go

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Speaker 7: in to the school with one shooter at.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's very scary because it's not only when

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Speaker 5: you have a child in this world. Of course, you're

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Speaker 5: always responsible for their well being and their health and

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Speaker 5: their safety, but it also feels like you can't trust

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Speaker 5: in a school or in a community to help you

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Speaker 5: keep your child safe, Like it's all on you. One

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Speaker 5: hundred percent up against all of the dangers of the world.

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Speaker 4: And besides you exactly and what about predators.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, we don't.

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Speaker 1: Have the safety net in the or the societal societal

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Speaker 1: safety net in the US.

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Speaker 3: To have children.

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Speaker 4: We really don't know.

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Speaker 3: And like our.

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Speaker 1: Families have made it work because internally right like the

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Speaker 1: quote village concept, but like systematically society, society wide, we

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Speaker 1: don't have a support system for women, especially for mothers.

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Speaker 4: It's insane.

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Speaker 7: So there's a lot, a lot, And I'm telling you, guys,

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Speaker 7: I could talk about this all day. There's a lot

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Speaker 7: that goes in about you know, the whole children concept,

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Speaker 7: and men don't simply understand.

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Speaker 2: They don't.

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Speaker 5: And I think about all the lawmakers who want to

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Speaker 5: force us to have kids, and.

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Speaker 7: That's why they're doing it. That's why they're getting rid

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Speaker 7: of abortion laws and all that. So because am I

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Speaker 7: right or wrong, they're saying that the birthrates are the

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Speaker 7: lowest they've ever been.

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Speaker 3: They are.

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Speaker 1: There's also you know, like the conspiracy of the Great

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Speaker 1: replacement theory where the white population is becoming the minority

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Speaker 1: or will be the minority in you know.

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Speaker 3: A couple of years. I forget the exact year.

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Speaker 1: And so there's also that conspiracy theory where it's like,

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Speaker 1: this is why abortion being overturned because they're forcing white women.

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Speaker 2: To baby, to have babies, have white babies in theory.

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Speaker 3: In theory.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, I don't know, it's like, Okay,

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00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 5: you want me to have kids because you want you

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Speaker 5: think you're gonna get a cheap labor force in the future.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly part that's part of it.

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Speaker 5: You know, you need us to have babies so that

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Speaker 5: you have minimum wage workers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because economists are also talking about the birth rates declining.

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Speaker 3: It's not just you know, the lawmakers.

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Speaker 1: It's like there's actual ramifications right for a future population

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Speaker 1: when there's less births. But we're also again like going

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Speaker 1: back to the system, we're not implementing anything that could

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Speaker 1: make that would encourage people to have children.

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Speaker 3: If they're on the fence.

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Speaker 1: Because there's there's this like there's the belief right or

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Speaker 1: the choice like I'm choosing not to have children.

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Speaker 3: But then there are people that.

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Speaker 1: Are looking at the societal problems that are like I'm

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Speaker 1: not bringing my child in I'm not bringing a child.

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Speaker 4: Into this world.

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Speaker 1: Right, So there's like two art or two, I feel

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Speaker 1: ideologies happen. Right, there's like the child free by choice,

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Speaker 1: and then there's like I don't want to bring a

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Speaker 1: child into this world because of how everything is operating.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's way more reasons not to have a child

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Speaker 5: than reasons to have a child at this stage of

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Speaker 5: the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in late stage capitalism.

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Speaker 5: In late stage capitalism, it's just, yeah, the odds are stacked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's scary.

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Speaker 5: I think that's what a lot of people out there

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Speaker 5: don't appreciate is like I'm terrified. Yeah, I'm legitimately scared.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm scared for myself out in the world.

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Speaker 5: I can't even imagine how out of my mind I

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Speaker 5: would be if I had like a little tiny person

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Speaker 5: out there.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this is why my mom wants to

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Speaker 1: talk to me every day. This is why my mom

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Speaker 1: is like when are you coming home?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm an extension of her, you know, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can be annoying when you're like being mothered by

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Speaker 1: your mother in your thirties, But then it's like, if

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Speaker 1: you really think about it, it's like, well, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: never stops.

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Speaker 3: It never stops.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Ooh yeah. So final final question, for you, Vicky, this

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Speaker 1: has been such a good combo. What advice would you

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Speaker 1: offer to anyone who is considering a child free life?

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Speaker 7: Listen, I feel like if you don't want kids, like

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Speaker 7: you just know, Like I put it like this, I

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00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 7: feel like the women that one have kids always tell

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00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 7: you and or you always hear. I've always known I've

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Speaker 7: wanted to be a mother, and I feel like if

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Speaker 7: there's some there's some doubt in your you know, in

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Speaker 7: your being, letting you know that you don't want kids,

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Speaker 7: I would say go with it.

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Speaker 4: Just because I feel like if you really really.

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Speaker 7: Really wanted them, you would you would know, you would know,

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Speaker 7: you simply would know, and you wouldn't let anything get

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Speaker 7: in the way of that. But I just feel like

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Speaker 7: society has really put that on us, Like you're supposed

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Speaker 7: to get married, You're supposed to find love, You're supposed

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Speaker 7: to get married. You're supposed to have five hundred million

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Speaker 7: kids as a woman.

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Speaker 4: You're supposed to do this.

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Speaker 7: You're supposed to take care of the household, You're supposed

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00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 7: to take care of everybody but yourself and lose yourself

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Speaker 7: in the process. And I simply feel like if I

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Speaker 7: if there was any part of me that really wanted kids,

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Speaker 7: I feel like it would be there, it would have

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Speaker 7: come up already. I'm about to be thirty four. And

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Speaker 7: then I also get.

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Speaker 4: The well, when you meet the right one, you'll know why.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, why do I have to change my mind? Why

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00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 7: can't he change his mind? And if he doesn't change

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Speaker 7: his mind, then he's not the one.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 7: I just feel like you should just go with your gut,

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00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 7: go with your heart. If you simply want a child,

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00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 7: to have all the kids you want to have, but

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00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 7: also make sure that you're having them for the right

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00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 7: reasons and that you're loving those kids.

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Speaker 4: And if you don't want to have those kids.

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Speaker 3: Screw it.

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Speaker 7: Everybody has to say, like, these people don't pay your bills,

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00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 7: they're not going to take care of your kids, they're

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 7: not gonna be up with you in the middle of

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00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 7: then I'm where your kids sick as hell?

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, VICKI thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: This has been a who and a half. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for coming on Look Radio.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I love this conversation.

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Speaker 7: I could talk about this all day, right, because we

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00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 7: don't have kids, I can.

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Speaker 3: Be here all day we can do that. Nobody's waiting

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Speaker 3: for me.

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