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Speaker 1: It is the Late Kick Extra podcast. I'm Josh Pate.

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Speaker 1: is not Alabama, where you just contend every year. It's

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Speaker 1: not a reload situation. Kentucky is a rebuild situation. And

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Speaker 1: so if you can circle the year, let's say right

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Speaker 1: now they were very young, like Kentucky could be a

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Speaker 1: good team this year. But let's pretend that they were

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Speaker 1: pretty young this year. What I would do is I

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Speaker 1: would circle twenty twenty two, and I would model my

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Speaker 1: entire progression around getting a senior laden veteran team talented

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Speaker 1: and experienced at all the key spots, including quarterback on

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Speaker 1: the field in twenty twenty two. That's what I do.

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Speaker 1: And I would build my recruiting strategy around being able

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Speaker 1: to springboard off that twenty twenty two season in the post.

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Speaker 1: In the pre I would build my recruiting strategy towards

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Speaker 1: selling that is my vision, and I'd say, this is

446
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Speaker 1: what we're working towards, and we really think we're going

447
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Speaker 1: to be special in a couple of years. And basically

448
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Speaker 1: what that tells kids subconsciously is this coach thinks that

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Speaker 1: he'll be really good if he gets players like me

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Speaker 1: in there, and then in the post if the good

451
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Speaker 1: seasons happened, then if I'm a player, if I'm a recruit,

452
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Hm, what he's telling me is they're a

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Speaker 1: lot better than what the perception of them has been historically.

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Speaker 1: It's just that people aren't used to it because they

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Speaker 1: only just started winning. So let me go in there

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Speaker 1: and I can still be at the forefront of this.

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Speaker 1: That's how you have to do it at Kentucky and

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Speaker 1: then slowly. It's one of those kind of old school

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Speaker 1: brick by brick metaphors. You count on you making very

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Speaker 1: few mistakes. You have to run things at a very

461
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Speaker 1: low margin for era rate, but you count on yourself

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Speaker 1: being kind of like Michigan State was under Mark d

463
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Speaker 1: Antonio when they were figuring out ways to beat Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: You make sure that you're not doing anything wrong, and

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Speaker 1: then you hope the other guys do slip up. And

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Speaker 1: someone is inevitably going to slip up. Dan Mullin's going

467
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Speaker 1: to fall below XP at Florida, or Kirby Smart's gonna

468
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Speaker 1: have some big time injuries happen at Georgia, something like that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't work out for Jeremy Prue at Tennessee,

470
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Speaker 1: and you got all this smoke and debris cloud at

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Speaker 1: the top of the division, and who's there to emerge

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Speaker 1: at the end. It could be Kentucky. If you're taking

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Speaker 1: care of your business out of the spotlight, it could

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Speaker 1: be Kentucky. That's the mentality you have to have there.

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Speaker 1: If you go in there saying we're about to go

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Speaker 1: heads up with Georgia and Alabama every year, you're going

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Speaker 1: to be a greasy spot, You're gonna be street pizza.

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Speaker 1: You can't do it that way. You got to do

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Speaker 1: it the way that I just said, and it can

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Speaker 1: be done. And you also have the safety net of

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Speaker 1: knowing if you are the head coach of Kentucky in

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Speaker 1: this case, Mark Stoops, you know, it'd be nice to

483
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Speaker 1: win ten games here, but I can win eight and

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Speaker 1: they'll be happy. So he doesn't deal with the kind

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Speaker 1: of pressure that you may deal with at those other programs.

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Speaker 1: So that's always nice to know. Longtime contributor to the show,

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Speaker 1: kat Train has returned. Welcome back, CT and kat Train asks,

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Speaker 1: am I the only one that thinks twenty five percent

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Speaker 1: capacity is just fine? Most of these states are massive

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Speaker 1: I think you could easily fit twenty thousand fans in

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Speaker 1: there and not have many of them anywhere close to

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Speaker 1: one another. But yet some people are calling these moves

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Speaker 1: greedy and dangerous. What are your thoughts on this? Well,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you in theory. If all that was

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Speaker 1: going on was you were just placing people in a

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Speaker 1: big stadium and you only had one out of five

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Speaker 1: seats full, sure you could put proper distance between people,

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Speaker 1: And I think this is the right move. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a season, if it is safe

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Speaker 1: enough to have a season, it's safe enough to put

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Speaker 1: twenty percent capacity in those stadiums. But the question is

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Speaker 1: can you possibly police or limit physical interaction between fans

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Speaker 1: in your stadium, much less outside your stadium. The answer

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Speaker 1: is no, of course, so you're gonna have to go

505
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Speaker 1: into this with some inherent risk. But then again, very

506
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Speaker 1: few activities that we partake in life are zero risk activities.

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Speaker 1: In the weather community, the meteorological community, there are zero

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Speaker 1: precipitation days, there are zero percent days, and then there

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Speaker 1: are non zero days. When you look at your weather

510
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Speaker 1: app and it has a little sunny icon next to Friday,

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Speaker 1: But yet it also says ten percent chance. That's basically

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Speaker 1: a meteorologist saying, hey, it's not gonna rain tomorrow. I

513
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Speaker 1: would bet a lot of money it's not gonna rain tomorrow. However,

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Speaker 1: the models do say that there's this, ever, ever, ever

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Speaker 1: so slight chance of rain. So technically it's a non

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Speaker 1: zero threat, which means the percentage of rain is not zero,

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Speaker 1: but it's like three percent or four percent. And we

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Speaker 1: can't put a four percent chance of rain on the

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Speaker 1: app because that's not divisible by ten. It wouldn't look good.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna put ten percent chance, but go ahead

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Speaker 1: and schedule your barbecue out in the park. Well, with this,

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Speaker 1: and with a lot of things, the threat is certainly

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Speaker 1: non zero. But is the threat acceptable? Is the threat level?

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Speaker 1: Is the risk acceptable enough? And I think for a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks the answer is yes. And then here's

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Speaker 1: my follow up question. My follow up is not what

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Speaker 1: are things gonna look like in week one if we

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Speaker 1: get there, which is latter September. Let's fast forward a

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Speaker 1: month and a half. It's now early to mid November.

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Speaker 1: Are we still at twenty percent or have things maybe

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Speaker 1: improved to where administrators feel comfortable saying let's go half

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Speaker 1: capacity by the end of the year. If we get

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Speaker 1: to conference championships Saturday in mid December, what do those

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Speaker 1: stadiums look like? Are we seventy five percent capacity? Who

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Speaker 1: knows what happens anyone's guests, and I'm open to all

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Speaker 1: comers when it comes to guessing with that, Remember again,

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Speaker 1: drop us those five star reviews. If you miss the

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Speaker 1: front of the show, I would question how because this

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00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: is not a live radio show. You have to have

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Speaker 1: listened to the beginning in order to get to the middle.

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Speaker 1: But if you've forgotten, let me remind you. We are

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Speaker 1: sitting just shy of five hundred five star reviews on

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast. If you get us to five hundred, and

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Speaker 1: when you get us to five hundred, we're taking Late

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Speaker 1: Cack Live to three nights per week, and we are

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Speaker 1: also going to add a second edition, a part two

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Speaker 1: per week if you will, of this very episode, the

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Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast. So it is up to you.

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Speaker 1: I await your decision. Next up is aj AJ asks

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Speaker 1: what are some schools quietly setting themselves up for success

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Speaker 1: in the future. Aj, I'm going way, way, way off

552
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: the beaten path here. It's a program that's been in

553
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Speaker 1: the news for all the wrong reasons, namely because the

554
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Speaker 1: SEC essentially gave them an NFL schedule, and that is Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: Arkansas is several years away from being competitive in any shape,

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Speaker 1: form or fashion in the SEC. But you're talking about success,

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Speaker 1: and I measure success relative to what is normal for

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Speaker 1: your program. So Arkansas has not been a perennial contender

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Speaker 1: really at any point in the SEC. Now, they had

560
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Speaker 1: a very good brief run under most recently Bobby Petrino,

561
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Speaker 1: believe it or not, but this has not been a

562
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Speaker 1: program historically in this conference that's been on par with Alabama, LSU,

563
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Speaker 1: even Auburn. So what would be success relative to their

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Speaker 1: norm and how long would it take to get there.

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Speaker 1: The reason that I'm picking Arkansas is cause the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff they've put together. Sam Pittman is the head coach there,

567
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Speaker 1: a monster recruiter, so I think that they will be

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Speaker 1: able to recruit the portions of Texas that they need

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Speaker 1: to be able to recruit good enough. And then the

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Speaker 1: other parts of the coaching staff that he put together.

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Speaker 1: His offensive coordinator is Kendall Briles, which falls right in

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Speaker 1: line with the style you need to play at Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, to win, and his defensive coordinator is

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Speaker 1: Barry Odom who was the head coach at Missouri about

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Speaker 1: five minutes ago. He put together a dynamite coaching staff there,

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Speaker 1: and this is a coaching staff that a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks expect to be able to over develop talent. And

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Speaker 1: if you up the talent level via the recruiting game,

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Speaker 1: it may not be twenty twenty one, and it may

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Speaker 1: not be twenty twenty two. But AJ asked who set

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Speaker 1: themselves up for long term success in the future. I

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Speaker 1: think the answer one of them at least is Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: And it's a good question. We can dive into that

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Speaker 1: a little bit further, maybe even on an episode of

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Speaker 1: Late Kick Live in the future. But I quietly like

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Speaker 1: what Arkansas has done, and no one's going to pay

587
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Speaker 1: attention to it because they are going to be bad

588
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Speaker 1: this year record wise, and they would be bad even

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Speaker 1: if they played a moderate schedule this year. It's a

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Speaker 1: long way to go there, but I do like what

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Speaker 1: they've done. David is next up. A few months ago,

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Speaker 1: there were a record number of verbal commitments made by

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Speaker 1: recruits to schools in comparison to other cycles. It was

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Speaker 1: talked about on your show and other shows like Barton

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Speaker 1: and Bud that there will most likely be a wave

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Speaker 1: of de commitments as well. Well, now we're in the

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Speaker 1: month of August and we haven't seen that surge of

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Speaker 1: de commitments. Has that belief changed or am I a

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Speaker 1: little too early to the party and the wave may

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Speaker 1: be coming later? If so, why this is a really

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Speaker 1: good question, David. So I was wholeheartedly on board with

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Speaker 1: that notion, and I still am. And the notion was this,

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Speaker 1: we were tracking how many verbal commitments we had. Remember,

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Speaker 1: COVID and quarantine season had just begun, and everyone was

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Speaker 1: at home and no one could go to camps, and

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Speaker 1: no one on coaching staffs could go out and do

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Speaker 1: their normal spring evaluations, and there was this panic adjustment

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Speaker 1: move in the recruiting world, and a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: kids started verbally committing, and we were tracking it, and

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Speaker 1: it was two to three times as many verbal commitments

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Speaker 1: as you normally would have during that time of year

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Speaker 1: during a recruiting cycle. And so it was only thought

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Speaker 1: natural to expect a wave of decommitments because a lot

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Speaker 1: of kids not only had verbally committed way early, they

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Speaker 1: had verbally committed to programs they had not visited, they

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Speaker 1: had never been on campus, in many cases high profile cases.

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Speaker 1: And so now you're asking, what's August, where all the

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Speaker 1: de commitments. I think they're still coming. What has happened

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Speaker 1: is we haven't had much change. And what I mean

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Speaker 1: is the expectation that there are going to be decommitments

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Speaker 1: is really founded in two areas. Number One, coaches, once

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Speaker 1: you can get back out on the road, you can

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Speaker 1: scout more thoroughly. You're going to up your evaluation level

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Speaker 1: of kids, and you're going to refine your evaluation, and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna find you've got some kids committed who really

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Speaker 1: you don't think belong on your roster. You just weren't

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Speaker 1: able to fully evaluate them. Mean, you put out a

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Speaker 1: bunch of offers and some kids took you up on them.

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Speaker 1: But in retrospect, we probably don't want to take this kid.

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Speaker 1: And so you may have some guys that have it

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Speaker 1: suggested to them ever so gently, look elsewhere. And secondly,

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Speaker 1: you may just have a bunch of kids who would

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Speaker 1: finally get on a campus and they go to a

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Speaker 1: visit to LSU and they're committed to South Carolina or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and they say I like it here better or vice versa. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: and that could happen in mass And I think it

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Speaker 1: will happen in mass if you have on campus visits

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Speaker 1: this fall. Now here's the question, what happens if you don't.

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Speaker 1: What happens if status quo doesn't change that, David, is

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Speaker 1: what could make this wave of expected de commitments never come.

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Speaker 1: That would be a mess. That would also probably lead

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Speaker 1: to a just proportionate amount of transfers in the next

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Speaker 1: two years, because you would then have kids who went

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Speaker 1: through and signed to a school that they really probably

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have signed with had the cycle been normal, And

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Speaker 1: then they think about it a little bit more once

647
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Speaker 1: they're on campus, and then they want to transfer. A

648
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: year in or two years in, there is a wave

649
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: of either decommitments or early career transfers coming. I feel

650
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: confident saying that which it will be depends on how

651
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: loose we're able to get in the fall with visits

652
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: and whatnot. All right, let's take a quick ad break

653
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: when we come back. Steven has a really good question

654
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: about the Power five potentially shrinking into the Power four.

655
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: How could that happen? Could it be in the very

656
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: near future. We'll talk about it right after this, all right,

657
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: we bring it back here with Steven. This is a

658
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: good question, and this is one that requires a lot

659
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: of thought, So you need to help me out. In

660
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: other words, the Big ten can stand the hit of

661
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: missing a season, says Stephen. It's already a strong conference.

662
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: It has more legacy programs than the PAC twelve, which

663
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: is already lagging behind other power fives, with the California

664
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: schools in particular having trouble keeping their top end state talent.

665
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: Could twenty twenty be the start of a conference wide

666
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: regression of the PAC twelve that leads to them no

667
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: longer being considered on par with the other four Steven,

668
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: the answer is yes. This is a definite concern. It's

669
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: a definite possibility. Might I suggest to you, and I

670
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: am going to because there's no one here to stop me. Unfortunately,

671
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: it was already happening. It was already happened. I mean, really,

672
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: if we were to go in this year and you

673
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: had never heard of COVID nineteen and we were to

674
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: just have the season, what would you have thought about

675
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. We still would have referred to it

676
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: as a Power five, no doubt. And we may even

677
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: look at programs like Oregon and say that's a dark

678
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: horse playoff contender. We may have looked at a program

679
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: like USC and said that rosters insanely talented, they weren't

680
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: top fifteen consideration preseason. Yeah, we would have said that.

681
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: But would you have looked at the conference and said,

682
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: that's a legitimate conference. They're right on par with the

683
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: Big ten. I mean that they belong in the same

684
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: conversation as the SEC. No, you wouldn't say that. Now.

685
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: I think a lot of PAC twelve folks rightfully are

686
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: screaming right now. Okay, yeah, maybe we're nothing to write

687
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: home about. Has anyone watched the ACC outside of Clemson lately?

688
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: I get it, Oh, trust me, I'm over here on

689
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: this side of the country, So I fully get the

690
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: validity of that counter argument. The difference there is there's

691
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: this one bonafide national title team every year in Clemson

692
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: that masks a lot of the inferiority of the rest

693
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: of the conference. And then here's part B. Part B

694
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: is there are a bunch of program well maybe not

695
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: a bunch, There are a few programs there that people

696
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: have seen be nationally elite before Miami, Florida Stay even

697
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. And so people think, Okay, eventually they'll get

698
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: right again, whereas they look in the PAC twelve and

699
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: they don't believe that even about the likes of US

700
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: and USC has been historically more than some of the

701
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: aforementioned programs. But the difference is, I think that people

702
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: look at the PAC twelve and say that conference in

703
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: the future, because of all the mismanagement and all the

704
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: internal issues and financial troubles and potentially perils now, they

705
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: are not putting their programs in a position to succeed.

706
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: They are going to be disadvantaged relative to other conferences

707
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: and other teams. And so if you compound that now

708
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: with missing a season, yes, David, I think are Stephen

709
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: rather sorry? Yes, Stephen, I think this is a very

710
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: legitimate concern, very legitimate concern, and it's never going to

711
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: be official. By the way, It's never going to be

712
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: that you wake up one morning and someone makes an

713
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: announcement here, ye hear ye, we will henceforth no longer

714
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 1: be referring to the PAC twelve as a power five.

715
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: It'll be public perception and you'll decide that and I'll

716
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: decide that, and we'll all decide that. But yes, it's

717
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: not only a concern externally, it's a big time I'm

718
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: concerned for them internally. Mary Anne is next up. Mary

719
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Anne asks, what do you think about this scenario? Fall

720
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: football is played, no spring football is played. What happens

721
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: fall of twenty twenty one for the Pac twelve and

722
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: Big ten in terms of giving all players another year

723
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: of eligibility while adding twenty five new signees per team.

724
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: We're talking scholarships here. This is a good question, and

725
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: this is happening while the SEC and the ACC and

726
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: the Big twelve only have twenty five recruits coming in.

727
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the increased number of scholarships

728
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: that the Pac twelve and Big ten would no doubt demand.

729
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: Will the NCAA allow them to have that advantage while

730
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: the three conferences that took the chance and had the

731
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: courage to play are disadvantaged. That may have sounded, that

732
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: may have sounded jumbled up. Not her fault, my fault.

733
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: Here's what she's asking. This is one of the many

734
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: many questions that are at the forefront right now. If

735
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: three conferences play football in the fall and then the

736
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: other two don't play in the fall, and they push

737
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: it ahead to the spring, and then they probably, let's say,

738
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: they don't get it off the ground in the spring.

739
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: Here's what's going to happen. What happens is the Big

740
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Ten in the PAC twelve are rightfully telling players who

741
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: can't play this year, we're going to extend your eligibility.

742
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: It's not fair that you're having to miss a season

743
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: for things beyond your control, so we're going to let

744
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: you stay eligible for an extra year. But then the

745
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: Big Ten and the PAC twelve are also going to

746
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: have signing classes in December and February, and so they're

747
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: going to add twenty five new names to their roster,

748
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: which pushes them well over the current scholarship limit of

749
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: eighty five. Oh, you've got a bunch of kids not leaving,

750
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: but you still have new kids coming in the door.

751
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: So what is thought to be the case is it

752
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: is thought the Big Ten of the PAC twelve would

753
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: petition the NCAA to allow them to expand their scholarship

754
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: limits to one hundred and ten like the old days. Well,

755
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: here's the problem. The problem is if this were to happen,

756
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: the SEC and the ACC and the Big twelve would

757
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: look out across the landscape and say, hold on a second.

758
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: You're telling us that we took the opportunity and the

759
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: chance and had the courage to play a season, and

760
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: in this scenario it played out, so they would be saying,

761
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: by this point, wait a second, we took the courage

762
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: and we played a season and successfully got it in,

763
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: which means they could have too if they wanted to,

764
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: and they didn't, and you're giving them one hundred and

765
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: ten scholarship cap and we got to stay at eighty five.

766
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, some of our teams are

767
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: going to play each other, Like I think Auburn and

768
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Penn State are supposed to play each other next year.

769
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: You think Gus Malson's going to sit there with eighty

770
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: five scholarships and play against James Franklin with one ten

771
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: and think it's even and think it's fair. I don't so,

772
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Mary Anne, Yeah, you're right, she said. My husband and

773
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: I have been discussing this. Well, add me to the mix,

774
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: because I don't get how it's going to work either,

775
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: because you're right, that is an obvious disadvantage, and I

776
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of folks are going to want

777
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: to go for it. Next up is Jack. If Mario

778
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: Christabal can win a national championship at Oregon, do you

779
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: think he will still leave for potentially an SEC opportunity

780
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: like Alabama if he can win. He has a very

781
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: similar setup to what Clemson has in the ACC very

782
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: little competition, fully bought in program. He also has the

783
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: backing of Nike, which is huge. I think the state

784
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: that the school he's going to would make a huge difference.

785
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Following a legend like Saban would be incredibly difficult, but

786
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: so is following someone like Butch Jones, but in a

787
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: completely different manner. That's a good point. What reason would

788
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: he have to leave other than recruiting, Even though he's

789
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: proving he can get it done in Eugene, he's not

790
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: quite at the same level as Alabama and Georgia in

791
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: that world. Well, other than recruiting is a pretty big

792
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: mouthful to say there, Jack, So let's break this down now.

793
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't have any inside information that Mario Cristaball is

794
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: going anywhere, so let me put that out there at

795
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: the forefront. I've always viewed Mario Christobal as a prime

796
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm candidate if the timing were right, if Nick Saban

797
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: were to exit Alabama four years from now and Mario

798
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: Christabal let's just say he's won a national championship at Oregon,

799
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a golden opportunity. I have thought

800
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: Christaball would be the prime candidate for Alabama for two

801
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: years now. I have thought that the Dabbo conversation has

802
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: been overblown, and I think that Mario Christaball has been

803
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: a name that's not at the forefront enough. I tell

804
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: you this, if Jeremy Pruett were to win the SEC

805
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: at Tennessee, Jeremy Pruett would be a guy that Alabama

806
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: looked at very closely for obvious reasons that he is

807
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: an Alabama guy. So with Mario christibaal, let's break this down.

808
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: Doing it at Oregon one time would be one thing.

809
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: Doing it per perennially there would be a different thing.

810
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you can't do it there. I'm

811
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: saying the challenge is are far more unique and different

812
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: there than at Alabama, where you know, if you don't

813
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: screw it up, you're gonna be there every year because

814
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: you have much more ready access to talent. Just geographically

815
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: closer to it at Oregon, you have to go to

816
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: where Alabama already is to get a bunch of talent. Secondly,

817
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: and this is where I want to hone in on it.

818
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: There is this misconception that a lot of elite competitors

819
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: think about the sport the same way that normal people do.

820
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: Normal people I've heard this. If I've heard it once,

821
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: I've heard it a million times. They look at Alabama

822
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: and they say, no one's going to want to follow

823
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: in the footsteps of Saban. Well that's not entirely true.

824
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: A normal person wouldn't want to. But the way an

825
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: alpha competitor thinks, and by the default of the position,

826
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: that's what you have to have anyway. So the pool

827
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: that you're selecting from is very small. That pool of

828
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: alpha competitors. They don't look at Alabama post save it

829
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: and say, ooh, that's not something I want to do

830
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: because I'll never live up to that. They don't think

831
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: like that. Alpha competitors look at that and say I

832
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: think I'm as good as him. You may not agree

833
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: with that, but Mario Christabaul and people like that, they

834
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: look at it internally and say I'm as good as

835
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: anyone to ever do it. And if I I'm given

836
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: that kind of opportunity, I'm taking it and I'm going

837
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: to create a legacy from myself. And that's how I

838
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: believe guys like him think. Now, what we cannot know

839
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: with any coach is what the exact set of circumstances

840
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: will be until the situation arises. For all we know,

841
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: Alabama in three years could come open, but there could

842
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: be internal issues there that make it less attractive a

843
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: job behind the scenes, and Oregon could have a Heisman

844
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: winning quarterback coming back the next year. Who knows what

845
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: the situations would be. But in general, no, I do

846
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: not think that winning a title at Oregon would just

847
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: cement Mario Christball in place. I always have thought it

848
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: would be tough to get him out of there. But

849
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: as is the case with Mario Christball, as is the

850
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: case with a guy like Urban Meyer, as has been

851
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: the case with a guy like Nick Saban in his career,

852
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: never say never. That's my only piece of advice there.

853
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Just never say never on those sorts of things. Jajo's

854
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: next up, Which of the big three Florida jobs is

855
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: most desirable right now? The answer to this is Florida

856
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: is pretty easy to me. That SEC sticker on your

857
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: helmet matters a lot. The revenue sharing model there, it

858
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: matters a lot. The affiliation with being in the best

859
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: conference in America, it matters a lot. You have the

860
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: same access to talent as do Miami and as do

861
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: Florida State, so you don't have a disadvantage there. You've

862
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: got great tradition, you are currently undergoing facility upgrades, so

863
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: you're about to be near the front of the pack

864
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: again in that area. There is no disadvantage to being

865
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: at Florida. You could argue some disadvantages relative to Florida

866
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: being at the other two. So my answer there is Florida.

867
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: Riley next up. Going off some of the conference realignment

868
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: questions from this week, would Texas, A and M have

869
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: been better off staying in the Big Twelve and having

870
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: an easier road to the College Football Playoff like Oklahoma

871
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: and could have the Manzel teams played for a national

872
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: championship from the Big Twelve instead of going through the SEC.

873
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: I do believe that those Manzel teams would have challenged

874
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: for a seat at the national championship table if they

875
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: were in the Big Twelve. I do believe that those

876
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: teams were really, really good. They were stacked, not just

877
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: at quarterback. You had guys like Ryan Swope who would

878
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: have been all Big Twelve. You had guys like, for instance,

879
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: think about Mike Evans, who's just a total freak of nature.

880
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: They had insane offensive lines. By the way, they were

881
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: loaded up with guys that would go on to be

882
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: high draft picks in the NFL. So they had good

883
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: players outside of Manziel. Yeah, they would have been really

884
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: good in the Big twelve. However, zooming out and answering

885
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: the totality of this question, no, no, the Big the

886
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: Big twelve would not have been the better place for

887
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: A and M. Think about all the advantages again that

888
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: are baked into being in the SEC. You can talk

889
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: about how much more challenging it is, but I go

890
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: right back to what I just said about christball in Oregon.

891
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: People like jimbo Fisher do not look at that as

892
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: a detriment. They look at it as an opportunity. So

893
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: an administrator just looks and says, look at how big

894
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: this paycheck is we're cashing from the SEC. Look at

895
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: how much more our brand is valued because it's associated

896
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: with the SEC, but that's business and legal ease. If

897
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: you're a fan, you care about winning. But even in

898
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: that sense, think about what being in the SEC West

899
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: does to the collective resolve and fire about your fan

900
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: base and your program and the all in nature that

901
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: you have to have. I think it is very valuable.

902
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: I think it's worth its weight in gold. And I

903
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: cannot tell you that if A and M were still

904
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve, for example, I can't tell you

905
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: that they would have been as resolved to make a

906
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: move on Kevin Sumlin, because Kevin someone would have probably

907
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: done just enough in the Big twelve to stay in place,

908
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: whereas the SEC went far enough in exposing him that

909
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: they were forced to make a move and bring in

910
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher. Can you guarantee me that that move would

911
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: have been made if let's say A and M were

912
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve and winning nine and a half

913
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: games a year or ten games a year instead of

914
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: eight and a half games a year or eight a year.

915
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that. So that alone, I think

916
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: makes my argument. But the other part is I do

917
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: not view the increase in challenge and difficulty of your

918
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: season schedule as a detriment. I don't. It's you know,

919
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: LSU plays that schedule. LSU just won a national championship.

920
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Why was LSU able to win a national title last year?

921
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: Because they rose to the occasion. The sec West forced

922
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: them to make moves, forced them to recruit better, forced

923
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: them to be all in, which they weren't. They weren't

924
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: totally all in once upon a time, not too long ago,

925
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: but now they are and they've just reaped the benefits.

926
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: Who's to say A and M is not the next

927
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: team to tell a story like that? And who's to

928
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: say that as the confetio raining down on you two

929
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: or three years from now, who's to say that you're

930
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: not looking and saying, you know what? As hard as

931
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: this road was, I'm not sure we ever would have

932
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: had what it took to make it this far had

933
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: we not been battle tested and hardened in the best

934
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: division in the best conference in America. Next up is

935
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: Dan What are your thoughts on Mel Tucker and his

936
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: future at Michigan State. I'm not aware of how fans

937
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: perceived him during his tenure as a coordinator at Georgia,

938
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: but I'm currently hearing a lot of optimism from Sparti fans,

939
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: and I want to know where you think our Michigan

940
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: State stands in the Big Ten East. Well, I don't

941
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: expect him to challenge this year for obvious reasons. So

942
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: sarcasm aside, here's the baseline question that I have anytime

943
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: there's a new head coach. The baseline question is what

944
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: is the identity of this program going to be? And

945
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: to this point, I'm not sure I know what that

946
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: answer is at Michigan State. Now here's what I think

947
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: about Michigan State. I think you can either have one

948
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: of two expectation levels. You can either expect and hope

949
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: to be a nice, solid program that is a New

950
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: Year's Day Bowl contender. So if you have in your

951
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: crosshairs a trip to the Citrus Bowl, an opportunity to

952
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: play in the Capitol One Bowl or whatever those New

953
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: Year's Day Florida Bowls are called the Outback Bowl in Tampa, Like,

954
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: if that's your super Bowl, if that's your goal, then

955
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But if your mindset is we want

956
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: to contend in the Big Ten, then I think Mel

957
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: Tucker's teams have to be a special preparation. They have

958
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: to be unique. They cannot go about it implementing the

959
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: Ohio State playbook or even the Michigan playbook, because I

960
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: think they're disadvantaged relative to those two programs. And if

961
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: all things are equal, I don't think they're out Ohio

962
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: State and Ohio State. And so my point is back

963
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: to the identity question. What is mel Tucker going to

964
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: do at Michigan State that's different than what other folks

965
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: in the Big ten are doing? Regardless of whatever else

966
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: they're doing. What is he going to do that's different

967
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: and unique? To this point, forget about him as a coordinator,

968
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: We're talking about him as a head coach. To this point,

969
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's done anything really all that

970
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: unique in his admittedly brief tenure as a head coach.

971
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot to go on with

972
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: what he did at Colorado. I don't think there's enough

973
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: to discern, shall I say, as to what his identity

974
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: at Michigan State's going to be and his identity as

975
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: a head coach long term. I'm very undecided on Mel Tucker.

976
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: I think there was a bidding war that happened there

977
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: that Michigan State won just because they can. And I

978
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know that his current salary is in line

979
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: with what you would expect from a guy who is

980
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: paid that much. I'm all for Meltucker get as much

981
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: money as he can. Don't get me wrong. I have

982
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: no problem with that, and I have no problem with

983
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Michigan State going and getting who they wanted to because

984
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: they could. That's how you flex on people. That's how

985
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: you open the checkbook and you flex on people and

986
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: you show that you're committed. Whether he is a guy

987
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: who can get the Spartans into contention annually in the

988
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: Big Ten. I'm in the remains to be seen camp there,

989
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: all right? Dan is going to wrap us up here.

990
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: Why are so many current head coaches in the Southeastern

991
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: Conference and elsewhere hired without any head coaching experience. It's

992
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: a big trend with successful programs. But I don't know

993
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: the logic behind this. What say you, Dan? I think

994
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: the sport has changed so much. This has also happened

995
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: in administrative positions, in the athletic director position, which you

996
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: didn't ask about, But I'm going to tie it in

997
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: and correlate it. It used to be if you were

998
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: going to be an athletic director, you had to have

999
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: a discernible background in the world of sports. Obviously, it

1000
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: was very preferred that you were a former head coach,

1001
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: that you have led players, that you have led people,

1002
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: that you have led teams before, that you've been in

1003
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: locker rooms, that you understand the fabric and the intricacy

1004
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: of competition, team sports, individual sports. You have been immersed

1005
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: in it for a long time. Today, if you're a

1006
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: great fundraiser, you rocket right up to the top of

1007
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 1: athletic departments, and sometimes you're put in charge of them.

1008
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: Why because the thought is the athletic department can run itself.

1009
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: Visual coaches can run the teams, and administratively, we can

1010
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: handle that. If we have a rock star fundraiser that

1011
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: is at the forefront. That's what's most important. Money is

1012
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: what makes this athletic department run. Not great leadership. Will

1013
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: have great leadership at the head coaching positions, and the president,

1014
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: if need be, can step in when there are squabbles.

1015
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: We need an ad that's really good at fundraising. So

1016
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: that's changed in recent history at the head coaching position.

1017
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: I think that the emphasis and the premium that has

1018
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: been placed on representation and recruiting has changed. A lot

1019
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: of the dynamic that goes into hiring a head coach.

1020
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: The thought there is this, it used to be when

1021
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: you were a head coach, you spend a whole lot

1022
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: more time on football than you do today. I was

1023
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: interviewing Brian Kelly a few months ago, who is the

1024
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: head coach at Notre Dame, one of the most high

1025
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: profile head coaching jobs in America. And it was a

1026
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, I think, and it was about nine AM,

1027
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: and he was hanging out at his desk and I

1028
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: asked him, I think I told this story recently. I said,

1029
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: what else do you have to do today? And he

1030
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: held up a list, as I told you in that

1031
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: story recently, and it was just a list of all

1032
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: the stuff he had to do that day, and none

1033
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: of it had anything to do with football. It was

1034
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: all administrative. And so that was an entire day of

1035
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly's week that was going to be devoted to

1036
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: something other than football. And that is how thin a

1037
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: head coaches spread these days. He is much more the

1038
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: face and the representative of your program. He is much

1039
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: more directly interacting with people who are important to your program,

1040
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: and he is much more an ambassador than he would

1041
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: have been thirty years ago. Thirty years ago, you just

1042
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: need to go win football games. That's what's important. And

1043
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: so the thought is, if we get a rockstar head

1044
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: coach in here who can represent us, who can be

1045
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: the face of this brand, and then he hires the

1046
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: right people and delegates the more football centric roles offensive coordinator,

1047
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. There's also a reason, make no mistake, why

1048
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: programs like Alabama have an army of support roles and

1049
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: administrative roles and grad assistance. It's because you are slowly

1050
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: as the head coach, even an experienced one like Nick

1051
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: Saban is slowly having to filter down and plink go

1052
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: his way down with responsibilities at least things that he

1053
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: used to be able to do that you no longer

1054
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: can do because of how thin you're stretched as a

1055
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: head coach. Well, if you're hiring, you can build your

1056
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: athletic department in your football program like that, and you

1057
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: can have all the football roles delegated, and you could

1058
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: bring in a guy and you can say, wait a second,

1059
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: we don't need for him to have run an offense

1060
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: for twenty years. We don't need for him to have

1061
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: been a head coach at five different stops. We need

1062
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: him to be able to lead people. We need him

1063
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: to be able to represent and be the face of

1064
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: our program. And if he's young and energetic, it's all

1065
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: the better. We also need him to be a great

1066
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: recruiter and we need him to cast the vision for us.

1067
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: Will hire the right football people to run the defense,

1068
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: to run the offense. But when Oklahoma hired Lincoln Riley, now,

1069
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: make no mistake, that's a great football mind. When Georgia

1070
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: hired Kirby Smart, make no mistake, that's a great football mind.

1071
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: Those guys, it was not required for them to spend

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Speaker 1: their teeth before they finally got a shot at a

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Speaker 1: big boy job. All due respect to the Mack and

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Speaker 1: Mountain West. These days, the dynamic has just changed. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you one other thing. It was told to

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Speaker 1: me a couple of years ago by a coach. What

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Speaker 1: prepares coaches to be in big time roles is repetition

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Speaker 1: and experience. Obviously, now, what the digital age has done

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Speaker 1: is the digital age has allowed a coach to expose himself.

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Speaker 1: At the time he's thirty years old, he could have

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Speaker 1: exposed himself to tens of thousands of repetitions more just

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Speaker 1: from film study than he would have being a thirty

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Speaker 1: year old in nineteen seventy five. In nineteen seventy five,

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Speaker 1: there was only one way to study film, and that

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Speaker 1: was the old old fashioned way. These days, if I'm

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Speaker 1: thirty years old and I'm a wide receiver coach, I

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Speaker 1: could tell my grad assistant when I get into this

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Speaker 1: office Monday morning, I want you to go get every

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Speaker 1: third down play between six and nine yards to go

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Speaker 1: that Penn State has run in the past ten years,

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Speaker 1: and I want to watch what their slot receivers have

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Speaker 1: done on those plays. And that grad assistant could have

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Speaker 1: that done before lunch. You could never do that back

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Speaker 1: in the day. And the point is you are able

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Speaker 1: to expose yourself to so much more thanks to technology

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Speaker 1: and the digitization of the modern age, than you ever

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Speaker 1: would have been back then. And maybe that goes a

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Speaker 1: long way cumulatively of preparing your mind for what it

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Speaker 1: used to take twenty years of old school hardcore game

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Speaker 1: to game experience to prepare your mind for just something

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Speaker 1: to think about. There, all right, reminder one more time

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Speaker 1: as we head out the door. Here we are headed

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Speaker 1: to five hundred five star reviews, and when we get there,

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Speaker 1: we are adding a third Late Kick Live per week,

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Speaker 1: and we are adding a second Late Kick Extra per week.

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Speaker 1: This would have been Part A and Part B would

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Speaker 1: be coming up later in the week. So five hundred

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Speaker 1: five star reviews on Apple Podcast, that's what we are

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Speaker 1: looking for, and when we get there, you will be

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Speaker 1: handsomely rewarded, unless, of course, you consider more of me

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Speaker 1: a punishment instead of a reward, in which case, just

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Speaker 1: don't take away your five star review. How about that?

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Speaker 1: All right? So until next time, I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys listening. It's a busy week. Make sure you join

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Speaker 1: us on the twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: for Late Kick Live Thursday night this week, eight eastern

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Speaker 1: seventh Central. See you there. Have a great and safe

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Speaker 1: rest of the week, and God bless