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Speaker 2: Marcus Aurelius once said, what stands in the way becomes

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Speaker 1: Thank you for welcoming here, welcoming here, Thank you for

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Speaker 2: It's on YouTube?

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Speaker 3: That way the deep, uh, Taylor, Taylor Gray is a

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Speaker 4: I guess that's what's funny about that game is you

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna explain it to you.

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Speaker 6: I but like, I just don't I feel like you.

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Speaker 4: You've done it, You have any hypothetical, you've ever any

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a UCB long form and exercise.

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Speaker 3: That's literally what it sounded like you were describing, like games.

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Speaker 2: We might find it, We might find it. But until

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Speaker 5: Do you do that? Is it possible? You know?

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Speaker 1: It helps, you know, these imaginary things help create other circumstances.

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Speaker 5: You know, I love that stuff.

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Speaker 6: I teach voiceover classes.

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Speaker 8: And they say what And I said, you remember how

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Speaker 6: Why would I ever do that? No, that's my job.

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Speaker 6: I want to do nothing remotely like that.

446
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Speaker 8: But I think it's the sense of play that keeps

447
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Speaker 8: it fun and fresh and different and more in sort

448
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Speaker 8: of like you guys were saying, the world of improv.

449
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Speaker 8: But I could see how that would have been like

450
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 8: one's first acting school because we didn't.

451
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Speaker 6: Doubt ourselves when we were playing house.

452
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Speaker 8: So you know, anything that we were playing as kids,

453
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Speaker 8: we were we knew we gave ourselves permission to thrive unwittingly.

454
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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I want to get back to that.

455
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Speaker 6: So that's why I like RPG.

456
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Speaker 7: A wild question because I've never I've played exactly one

457
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Speaker 7: RPG game, which was a one shot Star Wars one

458
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Speaker 7: that happened. We did it on March twentyeth I think

459
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty. So we played the game and then turned

460
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Speaker 7: on the news, and then everybody went home for a

461
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Speaker 7: couple of years, and that was the beginning. But I

462
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Speaker 7: now have a five year old daughter who loves nothing

463
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Speaker 7: more than play. But what she does is she is

464
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Speaker 7: a director. So she tells me Spider Man does this,

465
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 7: and then Ghost Spider does this, And I was like no, no,

466
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Speaker 7: you have to be ghost Spider and tell Ghost Spider

467
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Speaker 7: needs to get Spider Man to do what she wants,

468
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Speaker 7: so that you're not just a dictator when you play.

469
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Speaker 7: Is there a good intro RPG for kids who already

470
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Speaker 7: have the imagination but just kind of need, like like

471
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Speaker 7: a way that I could play it with her and

472
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Speaker 7: put some structure. And is that D and D is

473
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Speaker 7: there like D and D for kids?

474
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Speaker 1: There's versions. There's older versions of you and D that

475
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Speaker 1: would be more appropriate for that. I think the new

476
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Speaker 1: version you'd have to ignore a lot of the rules

477
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of them, you know, But I

478
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Speaker 1: could tune you into something just thing called shadow Dark

479
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Speaker 1: that would be awesome for you. Guys, be very quick

480
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Speaker 1: to pick up and it's it is basically D and D.

481
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Speaker 1: It's just not you know, it's based on older versions

482
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Speaker 1: of D and D. You know, stuff like that.

483
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Speaker 6: And maybe your book Sam would be helpful.

484
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Speaker 5: The book you should buy things that I make. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 5: I'm here Arcana.

486
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Speaker 1: Wait, we're going to fully if I'm going to completely

487
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Speaker 1: show my stuff art and Arcana as a.

488
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Speaker 5: It's about the history.

489
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Speaker 1: Of the making of dungeons and dragons, you know, going

490
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Speaker 1: all the way back to the seventies and it has

491
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Speaker 1: all kinds of artifacts and ephemera and things that I

492
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Speaker 1: didn't know still existed.

493
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Speaker 4: There we go.

494
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Speaker 5: There it is. Yeah.

495
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Speaker 6: Wow, that's beautiful.

496
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Speaker 1: Dungeon Dragons, art and arcana, a visual history of dungeons

497
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Speaker 1: and dragons.

498
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Speaker 5: It is very proud and it's huge. Wow.

499
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Speaker 6: It's like an encyclopedia and lots of pictures.

500
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Speaker 5: Don't worry.

501
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Speaker 4: Yeah, pictures amazing.

502
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Speaker 6: Thank you, sounds amazing. Yeah, you signed it. You said

503
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Speaker 6: all TPK, your group TPK. Look it up.

504
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Speaker 4: To that.

505
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Speaker 5: Total player kill.

506
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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, Taylor.

507
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Speaker 5: Yeah, total party kill. It means everyone in the party

508
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Speaker 5: dies and the game ends. Uh. Yeah.

509
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Speaker 4: I had a question for you, saying that I wrote

510
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Speaker 4: Island with a few questions, but that was around the topic.

511
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Speaker 4: You know, how like Letterbox does, like four favorite films.

512
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Speaker 4: With your encyclopedic knowledge of games and whatnot, what would

513
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Speaker 4: you say, are your not the best? Your four favorite games?

514
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Speaker 4: And you could do video or tabletop or if that

515
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Speaker 4: is sacrilege.

516
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Speaker 1: You know, I kep whenever people ask me what kind

517
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Speaker 1: of games are like or video games come up. For

518
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Speaker 1: some reason, I keep thinking of the Thief series, which

519
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 1: is a little lesser known these days, but it's the

520
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Speaker 1: first stealth game, and the story of that game was

521
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Speaker 1: so engrossing.

522
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Speaker 5: In the world was incredible.

523
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Speaker 1: It was this sort of steampunk D and D world,

524
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Speaker 1: but not steampunk in the way that you think of

525
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Speaker 1: it now.

526
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Speaker 5: Steampunk.

527
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Speaker 1: Before that, steampunk existed, meaning it looked like D and

528
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Speaker 1: D and there were castles and there were people nights

529
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: with swords. But then there were these like rickety, rusty

530
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Speaker 1: like steam engines stuck in the side of like a castle,

531
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Speaker 1: and you know, billowing out smoke. And it wasn't like

532
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: pretty steambug punk. It was like dirty industrial piping everywhere,

533
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: and you know, there might be like a a street

534
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: lamp powered by electricity, you know, but then there might

535
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: be next to another street lamp that had a weird

536
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: magical thing going on. But it was all very gritty.

537
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: It was very like almost realistic. And in that game,

538
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: you it was the first game. This came out like

539
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Speaker 1: a ninety seven and it gave birth to a series.

540
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Speaker 1: And in the first game, you play a guy who

541
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Speaker 1: simply can't stand up to the bad guys in the

542
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Speaker 1: in the world, like you know, we were at the time.

543
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: We were playing Doom and all these games where you

544
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Speaker 1: could just shoot everything and you go in and you're

545
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Speaker 1: just wasting all the bad guys with guns. And this

546
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: was a game where if you approached it that way,

547
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: you were dead because your guy wasn't your character wasn't

548
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: very strong. So it was all about sneaking. It's all

549
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: about stealth. It was about keeping to the shadows. So

550
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: thief definitely comes up. Dungeons and Dragons, but there's another one,

551
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: but specifically the nineteen eighty one Mold Day.

552
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 5: Edition up Dungeons and Dragons, which.

553
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Speaker 1: Is by today's standards, really simple during simple, I'm talking

554
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: the old tabletop Oh got it? Okay, Yeah, The nineteen

555
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: eighty one Mold Day edition of Basic D and D

556
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: was more like how Taylor described it. It's very storytelling

557
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: or just talking your way through with not a lot

558
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Speaker 1: of rules. And I love that because you just it's

559
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: just plays so fast, just goes. You know, other games,

560
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: other games, Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven, incredible story in that game,

561
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: like one of the best science fiction works ever is

562
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: that game. And the fourth I don't know, I don't know,

563
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Speaker 1: it's probably the Star Wars game.

564
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bards Tale.

565
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Speaker 2: I know you love your Bard's Tale, so I thought, yeah.

566
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Speaker 1: Pool of Radiance and all that stuff. The old D

567
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Speaker 1: and D gold box games for the computer, those were

568
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Speaker 1: mind blowing, really mind blowing. We even played them recently

569
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Speaker 1: and they still work even though they came out in

570
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: like eighty seven. But yeah, and then there were oh god, okay,

571
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: and then x Wing star Wars like a flight it was.

572
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: This is at a time when Star Wars.

573
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 5: Had gone away.

574
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: There was no Star Wars in the world like they

575
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: did the three movies, and it was like it's done,

576
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: it's over. And one day in nineteen ninety three, I

577
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Speaker 1: think it was like my friend brings me in a

578
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: computer store and goes look, I'm like what Look. I

579
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: go over there and I'm looking on a shelf of

580
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: computer games, which are by today's standards so primitive, right,

581
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: shelf of computer games, and then I see an x

582
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Speaker 1: Wing fighter going after some tie fighters on a box.

583
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Speaker 5: What the And I grab it and it says x Wing.

584
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Speaker 5: I'm like, what is this. He's like, it's a flight simulator.

585
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 5: Like it's a flight simulator. Third game, and that's the

586
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 5: third game in the series. That's that's game.

587
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 4: Series is amazing.

588
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 5: But the idea that someone checked.

589
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 7: Game number four x Wing tie Fighter, Xwing Verse Stie

590
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 7: Fighter x Wing Alliances.

591
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, right, right, right, exactly correct.

592
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 7: That's the only one I'm ever going to get on

593
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 7: you in my whole life.

594
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Speaker 1: It was a third narrative game in the No, you

595
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: can't even say that, because there was a story added

596
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: to XVT. But anyway, the idea that someone would make

597
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: a computer game odd of Star Wars was like shocking

598
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: to me. And then you look at the the box

599
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: and it says LucasArts here, like Lucas, Lucas Arts George,

600
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: George Lucas is making video games. He's like yeah, I'm like, oh, well,

601
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: we should play it. He's like, I got it at

602
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: home already. Mant So that was a mind blowing experience,

603
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: totally incrobed. And then and then the second game in

604
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: the series is called Tie Fighter when you play it

605
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: as an Imperial pilot, and uh boy, the propaganda was

606
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: strong in that game. It was It was incredible that

607
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: they told it from the imperial perspective, you know, which

608
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: is very George Lucas thing to do, like you know,

609
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: taking risks, going in places you haven't gone before, you know, Yeah, yeah.

610
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Speaker 8: Were you always a DM or once you DMed one

611
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 8: time you realized, oh my gosh, I'm really good at this.

612
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 6: I love it, or because you're it's pretty scary how

613
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 6: good you are.

614
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: I was always a DM. Yeah, yeah, I played a

615
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: little bit and I fell in love with it. But

616
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: I really loved setting up worlds and stories that my

617
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: friends would explore. And and the trick for being a

618
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: DM is that you're like, you're rooting for the players.

619
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Speaker 1: You really want them to succeed, but if it's going

620
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: to be any fun at all for them, you can't

621
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Speaker 1: really help them do that.

622
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 5: So that's the trick.

623
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Speaker 1: You're like, I really want you to succeed, and I

624
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: want to be fair, but I got to challenge you

625
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: and it's dangerous and we you know, sometimes players get killed.

626
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 5: It's ugly. So yeah, anyway, that's the trick of it.

627
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 7: I think are you a more of a theater of

628
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 7: the mind type of person or do you like the minis?

629
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 7: Do you like the physical because I know you paint,

630
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 7: but when you're playing and designing, do you want to

631
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 7: see it and make it come to life? Or is

632
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 7: it do you love it? All just to be anybody's

633
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 7: people's heads.

634
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Speaker 5: We do it all. We do it all like.

635
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I have a group now that we've been playing the

636
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: same D and D like and I'm talking old school

637
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: basic nineteen eighty one edition of the rules D and D.

638
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: We've been playing one of those campaigns for I think

639
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: about eight or nine years now.

640
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Speaker 5: We get together every year.

641
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: Every year we rent a house in like Lake Geneva,

642
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: Wisconsin or something like that, and then spend four or

643
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: five days playing D and D like going for it.

644
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: And what we do is we use some computer tools

645
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: where I can project down to their laptops the math

646
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: and what they see or any any other things that

647
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, any any visual aids that help tell the story.

648
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: But we're also a very theater of the mind as well,

649
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: and we've we've used miniatures for sure, So we're all

650
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: over the place. Depends on what kind of story we're

651
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: telling in that moment, you know, how is it best told,

652
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: Because sometimes you do want it to be theater of

653
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: the mine, where it's just spoken word and you're going

654
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: and you're going and you're going. Other times, you you know,

655
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: there's a specific tactical situation that's complicated and it's high stakes.

656
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: You probably want to map that out so the players

657
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: can really feel like, Okay, what do we do? How

658
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: do we how do we get past this? So yeah,

659
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: it's it's really fun. I like it all.

660
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Speaker 2: It sounds like to me, we need to do a

661
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Speaker 2: Potter Rebellion D and D campaign retrofitted to what we

662
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Speaker 2: do here with you is the DM. That's what it

663
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: sounds like to me.

664
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Speaker 5: Did Freddie tell you about the Alien game that we

665
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 5: played recently?

666
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: Did you guys play it finally? Because I know you

667
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: had the crisis roles. I like, there's like the anxiety

668
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: roles in that. I remember you're telling me about some

669
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: of the mechanics. You got to play it?

670
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: So you guys have seen the movie Aliens, right, Obviously

671
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Freddy's character was basically Burke, the uh oh corporate guy,

672
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: the corporate representative and you know, yeah, they run a

673
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: derelict spacecraft that they discovered and something bad had happened

674
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: and they were bringing up.

675
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: The heat on the ship.

676
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: Turns out there were people in the cryo bay that

677
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: were frozen, so they became thawed and those people were.

678
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 5: Like, bad stuff's happening.

679
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: We got to get out of here, and there's obviously

680
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: they thought out some zenomorph stuff Aliens, you know, I

681
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: think the Aliens movies, you know, and Freddy everyone else,

682
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing heroic things, repairing the ship, trying

683
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: to run from the alien. Uh so, one guy actually

684
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: tried to engage all kinds of crazy stuff and Freddy

685
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: all he did. He didn't fire a shot, guys. He

686
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: just lied his way through the entire game and basically

687
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: was the only clean.

688
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 5: Survivor of the disaster. He was able to get.

689
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: Alien biological material, and he found the hidden escape pod

690
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: and tricked some people, lied to a munch people, and

691
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: ejected into space, which was his objective. He needed to

692
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: get alien biological material back to the company, and he succeeded.

693
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: It was extraordinary. He was very smooth. Freddy pulled it off.

694
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: That was what he was supposed to do because you

695
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: pass out in this case, either were pregenerated characters. So

696
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: I passed out characters. So he's like, oh, okay, oh

697
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: I guess I'm a corporate guy. You didn't fire a shop, guys.

698
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: He was just reasoning his way through. Don't you think

699
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm on your side?

700
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: Man?

701
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't I get Look, we're all in a

702
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: bad situation here. We're just trying to get out alive,

703
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, Yeah, and then he gets into the

704
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: escape pod and he's like, screw him, and he hits

705
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: the button and he gets away.

706
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 5: It was pretty cool.

707
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: It's very Miagi dove him to go about that way he.

708
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 5: Was. He let other people do the dirty work. It was.

709
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 5: It was hilarious and brilliant. Yeah, it was cool. That's awesome.

710
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to get into Mall a little bit here,

711
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: because I mean, while you're here, we might as well

712
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: get into that character. Sure, you know so. But when

713
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: we were first met Darth Maul and Phantom Menace, it

714
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: was to me I viewed it as almost like a

715
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: silent movie monster, Like there wasn't a whole lot of

716
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: depth to him. So by the time you embody Mal

717
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: and Clone Wars, and when we look at the entire arc,

718
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: it goes from not unlike Darth Vader, silent movie monster,

719
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: to like a more tragic figure when we get the

720
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: whole arc of it. That's kind of what we get

721
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: with Mal. So what was your initial approach? Did you

722
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 2: view him as a villain or someone who didn't get

723
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: the process as trauma, Like what was your approach the

724
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: moment that you knew you were going to be this guy?

725
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Well, the trick of it is that I had to

726
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: think of him as not a villain to play him, right,

727
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, but then obviously have to know, yes, he

728
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: is a villain. This is not an example of someone

729
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: who's an aspirational character. This is someone who is doing

730
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: bad things. And so yeah, that is that's the trick

731
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: of it. I need to empathize with the guy. I

732
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: need to think that everything he's doing is reasonable or

733
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how to play him. But from a

734
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, stand outside of him, it's like, no, he's

735
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: out of his mind, that guy. He's he's scary, he's dangerous.

736
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

737
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like especially in Twilight the Apprentice, you

738
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: know we're going to go over you know, after this

739
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: episode it's did you find like he was justifying himself

740
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: almost like he's this survivor and almost victim of the

741
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: Sith because he was basically just a utensil for the

742
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: to use for their benefit, and then once he wasn't

743
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: a benefit anymore, he was just kind of tossed away.

744
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: Like was that part of your justification of his actions.

745
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 5: Oh yes, absolutely, yeah, totally totally.

746
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: He thinks of himself as morally superior to Darth, sidious

747
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: to the Emperor. But I think from the perspective of

748
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: other characters, there's not that much difference between the Emperor

749
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: and Mal, But to Mal, there's a world of difference

750
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: between what Mal thinks is acceptable behavior and what citious

751
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: does you know, huge difference to Maul.

752
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, so what's that? What was it like

753
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: for all y'all in the booth together then? So you

754
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 2: got to work together and Taylor, I know you didn't

755
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: know a whole lot about the Star Wars loss. I

756
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: don't know if it was registering to who Sam was

757
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: actually voicing Vanessa. I know you're a big fancy. I

758
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: don't know how much you knew. I'm just curious what

759
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: was the dynamic like once Sam enters the chat.

760
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: I mean, even if you don't have the backstory, the

761
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: background of who this character is, Sam was, I mean

762
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: just the performance was terrifying, Like you could know nothing

763
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: about Maul and still be absolutely like, oh, okay, this

764
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: guy is bad news.

765
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 6: Like it was.

766
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: It was great to be able to have I mean

767
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: you know you you actually came in and recorded with us,

768
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: which is always a treat for us because you know

769
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: that wasn't always the case, but yeah, it was. It

770
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: was fantastic to be able to actually like have you

771
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 3: in there and experience the kind of terrifying quality about

772
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: uh you know that mal has or that you've you've

773
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: imbued in mall.

774
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: It was.

775
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 8: It was also fun to watch Freddy's character lose his

776
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 8: mind as Taylor sort of responded to your whispers and

777
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 8: suggestions about the holocron and all that.

778
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 6: In real time.

779
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not a mom at all, but I

780
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 8: felt like such a powerless space mom. I had a

781
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 8: stomach ache. I wanted to protect Ezra. I've felt ill.

782
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 8: I mean, you don't make me feel ill, Sam, You're one,

783
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 8: but it's that it's something that you feel on a

784
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 8: cellular level. It is so powerful that I mean, Tia,

785
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 8: when you were afraid of him on the set, it's yeah,

786
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 8: you're that you have a talent for scaring people, but

787
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 8: it's it's it is it. It took a minute to

788
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 8: shake off when when we were done, it was really

789
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 8: insane how intense it was was great.

790
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: From Taylor because I have a story that I tell

791
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: about that experience with you.

792
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 5: I'm curious as to what it was like.

793
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 4: For you before I tell them, going into it with

794
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: what John prefaced, I remember the first thing that the

795
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 4: first conversation was Filony talking about how he would now

796
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 4: look like he was a spider or something, and I remembering, like,

797
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: what the hell does that mean? He's a spider? Like,

798
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 4: I didn't know what at all was happening in all.

799
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: Any of the disagreements I had with Floony were all

800
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 4: just logic from like a very solidsistic point of view

801
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: of Ezra, like I think Freddy some other characters were

802
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: looking at the world of Star Wars and what this means.

803
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 4: I never approached anything in Rebels with that because I

804
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 4: just didn't know it. It was like, Okay, here's this

805
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: character who's growing in their abilities but also wants to

806
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: do good. And then this sort of like philosophical argument

807
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: came up as he meets Mall like, wait, I mean

808
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 4: he can be more powerful and achieve certain things if

809
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: he is led with emotion a little bit more. And

810
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: there are certain things that made sense that Maul was saying,

811
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: and I was like, Dave, it does make sense. And

812
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: if the rationale you're going to feedback is like it's

813
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 4: a story the good guy has, then I don't buy that,

814
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't lock in as much. And then Freddie

815
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: was hearing that, and Dave was enjoyant. But Freddie then

816
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: was like, well, no, but you're misunderstanding this, and I

817
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: was like, I think you're looking at it because you're

818
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 4: a Star Wars fan. And it turned into this sort

819
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 4: of thing where I was like, I do understand both sides,

820
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 4: but I was also kind of taking information all anew

821
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 4: and so Sam was really he wasn't proselytizing, but I

822
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: understood what he was saying.

823
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 5: So what's awesome about what you just said?

824
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: Is that a story that I tell I even just

825
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: recently told this story doing some ePK for Shadow Lord.

826
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: I told this very story, which is that mal Well.

827
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: One of the things about him is that he tells

828
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: the truth a lot, and then sometimes he will tell

829
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: his version of the truth, which is a little bit different.

830
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: And then sometimes he will fully be off in the

831
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: truth has nothing to do with it, but boy he

832
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: will tell it like it is the truth, right because

833
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: for him, perhaps it is. So what happened was Dave

834
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: Filoni put Taylor between me and Freddy in the record,

835
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: like physically between us, and you know, I was pretty aware,

836
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: maybe I'd been told by Dave, but I was aware

837
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: that Taylor hadn't really seen Star Wars so much and

838
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: that he was encouraged not to so that his character

839
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: would learn the Force, learn Star Wars from his master,

840
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: from Freddy, from Canaan, so that in the scenes where

841
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: your characters learning, the actors really learning, the actors really

842
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: taking stuff in. So Dave very purposefully put good teacher,

843
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: student and bad teacher in that order. And so what

844
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: would happen was this, like we would do a scene

845
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: where mal who at this point is is coming off

846
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: as a very kindly old man, saying, you know as well,

847
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 1: you were given your gift for one reason, to use it.

848
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong, you know, you do this, you use

849
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: your power, you understand, that's just the way you can

850
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: protect your friends. And then Dave would say cut, and

851
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: I'd see Taylor processing that, and then Taylor would go

852
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: to Freddy, who's his teacher, right, you guys are working

853
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: together for now a couple of years, and he goes,

854
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: see that sounds right to Meddy because Roy wouldn't I

855
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: use that power to do? And then I see Freddy go, no,

856
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: don't you understand that's the trick of the dark side man,

857
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: That's how they get you.

858
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: That's what's happening.

859
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Don't you understand what he's doing action Ezra, He's using

860
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: And it was just that angst is in the show,

861
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, which was so great, like, you know, your

862
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: your exploration of what Maul was telling you was in

863
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: the show, and Freddy's frustration.

864
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 5: Of dude, what are you doing was in the show.

865
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: So it was a I I really got a kick

866
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: out of that when we were doing that.

867
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fun to see Freddy get worked up. And

868
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: I remember being young being like this is this is

869
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 4: kind of fun and going leaning into like, I mean,

870
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: he's called me. I could be his paddle on too,

871
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: and Reddie was not stoked at all. But then I

872
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 4: just saw Dave in the booth just like grinning in

873
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: your ear. He loved it.

874
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: He loved it, he loved it.

875
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: He loved that because again, you know, your your characters,

876
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: all of the younger characters, you know, be it you

877
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: or Tia, they were learning so much through the stories,

878
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: and you guys were really learning about the lore and

879
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: the significance of the stories while you were telling them.

880
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 5: When I think that that's probably.

881
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: Why the show feels it has that magic, It has

882
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: that feeling of immediacy, like this is happening right in

883
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: front of you. These characters are really taking in new

884
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: information here because the actors were. It was a fascinating

885
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: way to make a Star Wars show.

886
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: It was also really I mean, the whole production, let's

887
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: call it, was really fun for the rest of us,

888
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: I know, for like Vanessa and me and Steve to

889
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: get to watch that because I mean it was so

890
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: clear as day, Like I bet Dave was just back,

891
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: you know, just just grinning from ear to ear because

892
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: it was like his plan was working so perfectly, because

893
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: man like.

894
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 6: Freddie.

895
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: Freddy was really getting so incredibly frustrated and like, you know,

896
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: exasperated even and Taylor was just being Taylor, like truly like,

897
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: well that sounds good. I don't know, like that doesn't

898
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: sound so bad at all. And actually he's made a

899
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: couple really good points, you know, Like the whole thing

900
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 3: was was was theater, but it was also really fun

901
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: for someone like me who, like you said, Sam was.

902
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 6: Learning on the job and enjoying learning.

903
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: But then as you all know as Star Wars fans,

904
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,959
Speaker 3: there's a lot to learn.

905
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 6: So getting to like be.

906
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: There, you know, we've talked on this podcast like at

907
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: least one hour of every recording session was like the

908
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: beginning of our recording sessions were like Dave giving us

909
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: the scoop or giving us like really pertinent information or

910
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: background or whatever that we needed. And so it was

911
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: really great when like you Sam and Freddie and Vanessa

912
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: and Dave of course we're you know, having these like

913
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 3: teta TETs where I mean the breadth of knowledge Star

914
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: Wars knowledge in the room was. It was really incredible

915
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 3: to witness that because I was just for the whole

916
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: time that we recorded that show, I was just trying

917
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: to be a sponge and you know, kind of soak

918
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: up what I could from all of these incredible teachers,

919
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: and so it was it was especially fun just to

920
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 3: listen to all you guys kind of geek out on

921
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: Star Wars and then get into the you know, to

922
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 3: the to the job at hand, which was also fun.

923
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for the exasperation you were talking about for

924
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 1: him was that he had so much at that point,

925
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: so much time invested in teaching the right lessons of

926
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: Star Wars that it's like, of course having me come

927
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: and going, well, here's another point of view.

928
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 5: He's like, no, dude, come on, are you saying you're

929
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 5: falling for this? Are you kidding me?

930
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: You know, because and you know, and Freddie I remember

931
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: also very vividly. I Freddie when he wasn't in a scene,

932
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: would just sit in the back in the booth, just

933
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: sit down on the floor, you know, leaning against the

934
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: wall and just close his eyes. And you know, it

935
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: was it was story time. People were performing, and he

936
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: really enjoyed listening to people perform. That was really fun.

937
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, you guys, God, you guys had such a

938
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: great vibe the whole cast. You guys had the best

939
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: vibe in terms of a cast and how cohesive you were,

940
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: how much you guys like each other, how much you

941
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: were invested in each other doing the best work you

942
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: possibly could, and also how funny all of you were.

943
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: Like that was the vibe in the room was unparalleled.

944
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: It was incredible.

945
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: It's it's wild you say that, Sam too, because I mean,

946
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 4: Vanessa has been in so many more rooms than myself

947
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 4: to you as well more than I, but I can

948
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 4: only just reference rebels in this type of setting. But

949
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 4: Ashley said the same thing when she came on here.

950
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: She was like, she was like the vibe of your

951
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: guys's group, like she remembers she was saying with cloneers.

952
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: We didn't get that because I guess they had it

953
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 4: separate at times, like it would be this storyline and

954
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 4: this storyline or I forget how she was describing it,

955
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 4: but it was something she pointed out and I have

956
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 4: no reference of it. So hearing you say that Crowbert

957
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: as well is interesting because in my view, I was like, yeah,

958
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: it was. It was always fun.

959
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had a lot of fun.

960
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: It was like a joy to get to go to work,

961
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 3: which I think it's a joy to get to any

962
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: of the work that I get to do. But as

963
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: you guys know, I mean there can be challenges. I mean,

964
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to be working, but there there can be

965
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: challenges or you know, maybe cast member guest members that

966
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: make working a challenge and yeah, and in this case,

967
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: there was none of that. It was just a real

968
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 3: treat to like get to go record with my friends

969
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 3: and and you know when we would have like guest

970
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 3: guest uh actors come in, especially like recurring guest actors

971
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: that would you know, we established a rapport with and

972
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: we got to see on a somewhat regular basis.

973
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 6: That was such a nice time.

974
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 3: And I think that's probably why we've all like stayed

975
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: friends and still you know want to like go to

976
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: dinners and and things, and you know, and you know,

977
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: we're lucky because we get to travel with each other

978
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: from time to time if we go to like the

979
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: same conventions, which is really extra special. But I just

980
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: I remember, I think back on that time and like

981
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: it's a what a gift to just to have positive

982
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: memories and like and and just I know, like with time,

983
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: as time passes, you tend to think of like the

984
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: positive things and like forget about the negative things. Or

985
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: at least that's my experience. But in this case, like

986
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: I just had a great freaking time with you guys.

987
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 7: I'll chime in though, as somebody who's never been in

988
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 7: a voice over booth or anything, but as somebody who's

989
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 7: done a lot of podcasts, guests on a lot of

990
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 7: podcasts talks about a lot of Star Wars and everything.

991
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 7: When we record this, it's always I always look forward

992
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 7: to recording this and hanging out with you guys. And

993
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 7: there are sometimes I know that I'm gonna go do

994
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 7: an event or a podcast where I was like, all right,

995
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 7: this is gonna be work. It's gonna be it's gonna

996
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 7: be two to three hours of work tonight, and I'm

997
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 7: just gotta look at it like a job versus like

998
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 7: every time we record this, it's it's like relaxing. It's

999
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 7: an escape.

1000
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 3: It's fun, you know, even when we put you through

1001
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: the wringer and a lot of work to.

1002
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 7: Do, the vibe persists even though the show has been

1003
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 7: off the air for ten years.

1004
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 5: You know.

1005
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 7: It's like something that you guys bring and carry with

1006
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 7: your person and who you are. So it's kind of cool.

1007
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 6: Well, that's very nice to hear you guys say that.

1008
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: I think we we just you know, enjoy well, I

1009
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 3: don't want to speak for all of you, Taylor, we

1010
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: enjoy being together.

1011
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 6: So it's it's the.

1012
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 4: Earlier when you were talking. When you look around, they're

1013
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 4: no bad aids, you know what they say.

1014
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

1015
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 6: I'm kidding.

1016
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: The best of the best. We have good group, good group.

1017
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 5: Well, and it was it was a jacket.

1018
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 6: I know who you are.

1019
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm the bad Apple.

1020
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: The what was what was so cool was when I

1021
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: first started watching Rebels and I was aware of, uh,

1022
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: what was going on with that show. I was very

1023
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: aware of what was going on the show. Dave was

1024
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: telling me stuff. At one point, there was some thought

1025
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: that I might play Canaan. I think he made absolutely

1026
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: the right call with Freddy, And so when I first

1027
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: started watching it, I just marveled at how charismatic everyone was.

1028
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, we got some serious charm for

1029
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: this cast, Like everyone is so charming. And the first episode,

1030
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: which I've rewatched not too long ago, is so cohesive

1031
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: in terms of those people all feeling like they work together,

1032
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: like they know each other, and then meeting Ezra and

1033
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and him slotting right in. I mean

1034
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: for the audience for them to like, who's this kid,

1035
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: and the audience is like, he's your guy. You guys

1036
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: are all supposed to be together. It's so clear. Listen

1037
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: to the you know, listen to this banter and this

1038
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: wonderful dialogue. And so when when I finally met you guys,

1039
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: and you were that, you were basically that when the

1040
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: tape wasn't rolling. You were exactly as charming and as

1041
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: cohesive and fun to be around as your characters were.

1042
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: That was such a thrill. And then the fact that

1043
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: you guys were so welcoming to me. You're like, yeah,

1044
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: welcome in, You're you're part of us now. And I'm like, oh, well,

1045
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to kill you guys.

1046
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 5: It's fine. One does It's okay.

1047
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 6: It's funny.

1048
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say it's funny you said that

1049
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 7: because I've talked about it on the podcast before. I

1050
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 7: went into Rebels as a huge Clone Wars fan with

1051
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 7: my arms crossed, being like, oh, I'm not.

1052
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 5: You know, who is this?

1053
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 7: What did they do? Why is Clone Wars not on?

1054
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 7: Who's this Jedi kid? What's going on here? And I

1055
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 7: didn't watch the show and I was with you David

1056
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 7: Collins's house at the end of season one. I only

1057
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 7: know if you remember the conversation, because you probably had

1058
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 7: this conversation with everybody, but you were like, you have

1059
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 7: to watch that show. It's it's amazing. And I was like, Sam, nah,

1060
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 7: and You're like, they are doing the most incredible things.

1061
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 7: You just just catch up the stuff you don't like,

1062
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 7: just shelve it and get through the end of season

1063
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 7: one and it'll all makes sense.

1064
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 5: And you spent like.

1065
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 7: A good thirty to forty five minutes in sermon about

1066
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 7: how wonderful Rebels was and how to get over myself.

1067
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 5: And I wasn't on the cast yet.

1068
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: I guess this was at the end of season one.

1069
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 5: So you hired yet, Yeah, hired yet, but you.

1070
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 6: Were that was none.

1071
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were here jcause of Sam. That's amazing, amazing,

1072
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: Thanks for voto confidence, thanks for the pr Yeah.

1073
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing, you know, like, here's here's the

1074
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: interesting thing. It's like, you know, when you are doing

1075
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: well because the show is ten years old, we can

1076
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: be very honest about how we feel about this and

1077
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: that because you know, we're no longer promoting a show

1078
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: that is coming out every week. You know, it's not

1079
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: that it's not that in press and stuff that people

1080
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: are not honest, but they're trying to be upbeat, you.

1081
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 5: Know what I mean? Then?

1082
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: And my thing is is uh no, no, no, no. I

1083
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: genuinely am upbeat about Star Wars. I love Star Wars

1084
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: and I loved when people take risks with Star Wars.

1085
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: I love when people take Star Wars and new directions

1086
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: and so there's your proof, JC, when rebels, when when

1087
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people may have been crossing their arms,

1088
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: people who would later uncross their arms. I was telling

1089
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: JC like, no, man, it's great, it's fantastic. You should

1090
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: watch it. And I had no vested interest in uh,

1091
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't on the show. I had nothing

1092
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: to gain, and I just thought, it's great, you should

1093
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: see it.

1094
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Speaker 5: It's great.

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Speaker 3: Thanks yam, thanks for preaching the gospel of Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: only made that much better about it getting you into yeah, totally.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think like our show was exponentially better

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Speaker 3: for you know, like the fact that we got Clone

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Speaker 3: Wars actors and characters obviously, but to like come and

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Speaker 3: you know, you guys kind of passed us the baton

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Speaker 3: and then we got to incorporate your characters and you

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Speaker 3: as actors into our show, which just made it, you know,

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Speaker 3: so much better and so much richer and hopefully so

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Speaker 3: much more enjoyable for the audience for sure.

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Speaker 4: And it also I mean, as someone who is coming

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Speaker 4: from the outset and legitimized it. To me, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: we're working on Star Wars there's Mal. You know what

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Speaker 4: I mean. No, I'm serious, Like I I that was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I've seen that before, you know what I mean? Because

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Speaker 4: I wasn't under a rock, like I knew of Star Wars,

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Speaker 4: but I couldn't tell you a lot of the answer

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Speaker 4: your characters. And then I was like, Okay, we're going

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Speaker 4: up against Mal. Okay, this is real. Now, this is

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Speaker 4: Star Wars. It was the first time too. When they

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Speaker 4: played like James zirl Jen's voice for Russell, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is star.

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Speaker 6: I think for both you and I.

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Speaker 3: The Taylor as kind of new bees, newer bees.

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Speaker 6: When Vader, Yeah, when Vader.

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Speaker 3: When Vader showed up, we were like, oh, we are

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Speaker 3: on actual Star.

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Speaker 1: That was incredible and it was James Earl Jones, and

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Speaker 1: it was because it's a TV show, we got to

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Speaker 1: spend a little bit more time with them in a

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Speaker 1: different way. So yeah, you know, you had your rebels

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Speaker 1: characters who again, you know, in season one it's very breezy,

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Speaker 1: it's very bright, and then you you learn later you're like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but here's the problem. The Imperials they fought in season

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Speaker 1: one were largely the bullies that joined the Empire the

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Speaker 1: real Empire. The heavy hitters are now starting to take

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Speaker 1: notice of what the Ghost crew doing and they're going

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Speaker 1: to send some representatives. So that was a I mean,

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Speaker 1: very much like Star Wars, and then the Empire strikes back.

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Speaker 1: The stakes went way up after that first season. And

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Speaker 1: yet the first season is so charming and so fun,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, I've rewatched a good chunk of

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Speaker 1: it recently and it's better. It's better than even I

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Speaker 1: remember it being back in the day, so that that's

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Speaker 1: a good thing as well. It's aging well, you know.

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Speaker 2: Good, I think.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I said something very similar, and the rewatching it

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Speaker 7: on this podcast is so much better. I watched the

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Speaker 7: first couple episodes on the Oculus in a pretend movie theater. Wow,

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Speaker 7: and I was just like, man, this this works like

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Speaker 7: on a big screen, like it really when I'm not

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Speaker 7: mad that Clone Wars isn't here, because I hadn't watched

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Speaker 7: the show since since you convinced me to ten years ago,

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Speaker 7: I was like, man, I love this. You remember loving this.

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Speaker 1: This is an interesting thing about Star Wars is that

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Speaker 1: the stakes are so high every time a Star Wars

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Speaker 1: project comes out, and what those steaks do is cause

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Speaker 1: us to protect ourselves. That's where we cross our arms, right,

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Speaker 1: because we want it to be great. We want it

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Speaker 1: to be something that we're going to love, and so

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Speaker 1: we cross our arms. And what I've noticed is for me,

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Speaker 1: it takes a second for a new Star Wars.

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Speaker 5: Thing for me to really give it a shot.

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Speaker 1: Because even I'm like, Okay, I'll give it a shot,

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Speaker 1: they're like, well, you're not ready. We'll watch it and

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Speaker 1: then watch it again, and then you're gonna get an.

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Speaker 5: Idea of how you really feel about this. And even me,

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Speaker 5: I gave Rebels a chance.

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Speaker 1: I did, but I watched it recently I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I must have had my arms crossed a little bit too,

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Speaker 1: because this is way.

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Speaker 5: Stronger than I remember being.

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Speaker 1: And I liked it. I was into it, but I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh I was. I was protecting myself. I was like

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Speaker 1: holding back a little bit, you know. So, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing. I remember seeing Revenge of This for

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Speaker 1: the first time, right, which everyone agrees is really a

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Speaker 1: very strong Star Wars movie. My first viewing, I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't make it happen for myself. My second viewing,

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Speaker 1: I loved it. I was like Okay, all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gain now that I've gotten my expectations out of

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Speaker 1: my you know, to mean, like, because your own expectations

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Speaker 1: of what you put on it will change the.

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Speaker 5: Way you view any movie or TV show.

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Speaker 1: And once I was able to get rid of that

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Speaker 1: and watch it for just the movie that it was,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I actually love this, this is amazing,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 5: So it's it's a challenge when you care that much.

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Speaker 5: You know. So, I get JC why you crossed your arms,

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Speaker 5: you know, I get it.

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Speaker 2: A Potter Rebellion listeners, it's your friendly neighborhood and moderator

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Speaker 2: John Lee Brody. We were having so much fun talking

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Speaker 2: to Sam that we decided to break it up into

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Speaker 2: two parts. But fear not. Next week we're going to

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Speaker 2: continue with part two and some inside info on Shadow Lords,

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Speaker 2: so don't miss it until then.

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Speaker 5: Key The music.

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Speaker 2: Lee Brody, Executive producer and in house star wars guru

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