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Speaker 3: I'm like a swat person. I've never lied to you.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that one person has all the answers?

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Speaker 1: Don't welcome to trust me? The podcast about cult, extreme

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Speaker 1: belief and the abusive power from two snowflakes who've actually

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Speaker 1: experienced it. I am Lola Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: We are two snowflakes today interviewing Jitarth Jadeja. He is

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Speaker 1: a former q Andon believer. He's actually Australian, but he

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Speaker 1: became interested in American politics and went from a Bernie

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Speaker 1: was saving the world from a ring of evil pedophiles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to tell us about how he was

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Speaker 2: having mental health issues when he came to believing q

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Speaker 2: what he believed, the moment that snapped him out of it,

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Speaker 2: how he knows he would have been there the capital,

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Speaker 1: About it, and unfortunately, why he doesn't think QAnon is

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Speaker 1: slowing down anytime soon. So we're just gonna kind of

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Speaker 1: stay on that topic today because this was a big thing.

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Speaker 1: The cultiest thing that happened this week was definitely a

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Speaker 1: bunch of extremists storming the Capitol. There was a violent insurrection.

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Speaker 1: We all know about this by now. It was incited

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Speaker 1: by Donald Trump, who has consistently refused to accept that

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Speaker 1: level of violence, he's finally banned from all social media

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Speaker 1: still not YouTube though, right is he banned from Pinterest

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Speaker 1: and not YouTube? Is that true?

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Speaker 2: I think so, but that.

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Speaker 1: Seems crazy anyway, It was horrific. It was terrifying and

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Speaker 1: also just sad that so many of these people got

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Speaker 1: fucking sad, and it's fucking scary because now everyone's talking

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Speaker 1: about how there are big plans for from the sixteenth

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they'd call them protests, but more gatherings that

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think having the guests on today that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. There are a few

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Speaker 1: the White supremacists, those motherfuckers who were walking around with

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Speaker 1: many of them are extremely anti Semitic. A lot of

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Speaker 1: their focus is on quote saving the children. Jatarth will

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Speaker 1: But basically, there were a lot of QAnon people at

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Speaker 1: far right groups and presumably other kinds of Trump fanatics. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter when the actions are dangerous, but the

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Speaker 1: Right, let's get into it. Who Hello, Jitarth Jajjo.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, nice to be here. Thank you, Lola, thanks.

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Speaker 1: I am so glad to be talking to you this week. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this is a very topically relevant group at the moment,

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Speaker 1: we all know there is a violent insurrection at the

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Speaker 1: US Capitol. Can you, as somebody who is a former

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Speaker 3: Sure, So, QAnon is essentially a online conspiracy cult. They

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Speaker 3: basically he asked rhetorical questions which allude to almost every

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Speaker 4: Of the other ones. No, Yeah, that's essentially the long

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Speaker 1: All right, So tell us a little bit. So obviously

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Speaker 1: You were interested in American politics back when Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: can you tell us what drew you to American politics

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Speaker 3: So I went on exchange to the US in twenty

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Speaker 1: So what was the first sort of conspiracy that? I mean?

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Speaker 5: Give me some videos, right that the Department of Defense confirms.

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Speaker 3: what most conspiracies, there's there's very hard to have like

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Speaker 3: Even with like people say there's a media conspiracy against

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: don't understand are they doing anything? Why is everyone always bad?

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00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: Where are the good guys, what's going on?

436
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 4: Right?

437
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: And then you comes along and he's like, oh yeah, dude,

438
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: don't worries. There's an evil syntantic cabal and there are

439
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 3: actually good guys trying to fight them. So I was like, God,

440
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: thank god, finally they've got some good guys trying to

441
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 3: do something about these bad guys.

442
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: Right, what was that like first Q drop that hit

443
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: you over the seaside?

444
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: Someone asks you on the eight chan image boards, right,

445
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: which is like an anonymous image board where you can

446
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: make posts and whatnot. It's like the wild wild West

447
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 3: of the Internet, right, Like it's got, it's very hard,

448
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 3: it's don't ever go. So it's like a collection of

449
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: everyone who's been banned from every other aspect of the Internet,

450
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: like for whatever, like child phenography, like anti semitism.

451
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: Ran like terrorist the greatest hits.

452
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 4: Exactly the cream of the crop of the crap.

453
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 3: So someone asks you to get Trump to say the

454
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 3: phrase tip top tippy top shape as kind of a

455
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 3: shout out to the Q community. And then four months later,

456
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: Trump in a speech in front of the White House,

457
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 3: he's talking about the White House and he goes, oh, look,

458
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 3: you know, we love the old girl we keep her

459
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: in tiptop shape.

460
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 4: We call it tippy top shape.

461
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, I saw that, and I was like,

462
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: whoa dude, Like what the fuck?

463
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 4: Right?

464
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 3: Like, that's like that's a unique phrase. I've never heard

465
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 3: that phrase before, right, Like I felt like that that

466
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: was one hundred percent that's proof right there.

467
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 4: What else do you need?

468
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 3: I'll cycle back to this a little later, because like

469
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: there's a reason why that sucks you. So that was

470
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 3: the first thing that pushed me over the edge, but

471
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: it was more. It wasn't any one thing, but it

472
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: was like a series of things, like Q confirms your

473
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: own biases, like there was a conspiracy theory before that

474
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: called Pizzagate. Yes, when Q starts talking about oh no,

475
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 3: Pizzagate's real and pedophiles and like Donald Trump is fighting them,

476
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: it confirmed my own biases, Like I wanted to believe

477
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump was doing something and doing the right thing,

478
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: which is why I said, because I was disillusioned with him.

479
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: That actually primed me to believe me in Q, because

480
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: Q says, no, no, no, Trump's actually doing so much.

481
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: More than you think.

482
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: So he's taken down the whole establishment, which is the

483
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: ultimate irony with these Q followers, right like, they are

484
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 3: the most hardcore religious zealot Trump supporters, right like, they

485
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 3: will die for him. People have died for him, and

486
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: people have gone to jail. And this was even before

487
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: the Capitol storming. So the irony is that they're all deeply.

488
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: Disillusioned with Donald Trump.

489
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: Really, they're actually deeply disillusioned because if they think Trump

490
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 3: is doing all these things behind the scenes, they want

491
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: to think that so much that they're willing to go

492
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 3: for that idea based on literally like like almost nothing,

493
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: like tweets, numbers in tweets are connected to this and

494
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: that and that, like just.

495
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 4: The most ridiculous and you know.

496
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: That meme of like Charlie from Always in Philadelphia, Ye

497
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: were standing.

498
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: Literally that's what they do, literally what they do.

499
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: Do you think Q is like one person or do

500
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: you think it's a group of people.

501
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: I think I think it was one Probably was one

502
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: person initially, right, Yeah, I think there was. There was

503
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 3: a study that came out showing some people had done

504
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: some like semantic analysis on Q's writing style, and it

505
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 3: seemed like it was one style at first, and then

506
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: it was another distinct style, and and it's split at

507
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: a time, which is very conveniently correlated with a kind

508
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: of logistical civil war within Q. So essentially what happened

509
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: was that Q has like a trip code, right, So

510
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: it's a password, and it's that you that allows him

511
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 3: to be uniquely identified as Q right, because it's an

512
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: anonymous forum. So if you want people to know that

513
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: you're the same person who wrote these post or the

514
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 3: same person as future posts, you have to use a

515
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: specific code.

516
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: Now, the code is not very long.

517
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: It's only about eight characters long, and that includes say, numbers, letters,

518
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: and symbols, so it's not too hard to break and

519
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 3: just brute force, right, just get like a random character

520
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: generator and just just pop it in and just just

521
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: brute force the password. So Q's password has been leaked

522
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: many times, right, It's very funny because like his first

523
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: password was mattlock right for some reason, just Matt Luck.

524
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay yeah yeah.

525
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: And then so what happened was then you.

526
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: Had people logging into Q's account and posting as Q,

527
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 3: but they were obviously not Q right.

528
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: And then Q would also pop up using.

529
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: Another account saying none like I'm the actual cue right

530
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: board owner who's the board owner, So not eight Chan's owner,

531
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: that's Ron Watkins, the board owner.

532
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 4: Who's a guy called Paul Fervor.

533
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 3: I think he would then choose who's the actual queue

534
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: because he can see which IP is logged in to

535
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: which account.

536
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: So there was a bit of controversy.

537
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: The theory was that the original queue whose account got

538
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: taken over was replaced by a different person, and the

539
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: original queue was kind of like just kicked out right,

540
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: and the queue that started with this neutrib code is

541
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: actually not the original queue bis up with this data analysis,

542
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: the semantic word analysis that came out just a couple

543
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, like the time is exactly the same. Now,

544
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: that's still not proof, right that this happened, because that's

545
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: still a correlation. Got to have a look at how

546
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: they did the analysis, like what were their protocols and

547
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: things like that. But at the same time, it makes

548
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: perfect sense. So I think there's been at least two ques.

549
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: Whether there's more they could be, But to be honest, like,

550
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it really matters who is, Like I

551
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: generally don't think it matters. Even if they came out

552
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: and said I'm cue A, No one would believe them, right,

553
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: and b like, it's just like it doesn't if he cared,

554
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: if it's like Ron Walkins or like you know, David

555
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 3: Dinkam from fucking Laru or some shit like.

556
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: It's more about what q expouses that I think, right,

557
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: is the main question. Right.

558
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because it it all feels very fun,

559
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Like if I didn't know how harmful these ideas were,

560
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: I'd be like, ooh, there's like a mystery person and

561
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: you have to like crack the code. Like that sounds

562
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: fun as hell, you know, and it creates a system

563
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: for a world that is in fact very chaotic and

564
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: very messy and very very very unfair most of the time.

565
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, correct.

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: I also wish that there was some person who was

567
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: gonna save the world from all the evil.

568
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: That sounds dope, like, you know, exactly right, And that's

569
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 3: that's the most horrific part of it actually, is that

570
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: it sounds so impally. That's the most considuous. Because the

571
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: main thing about Quran on I probably should have mentioned

572
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: this when I was explaining I should definitely should have,

573
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: is that it's not just about whose Cuban work cultures are.

574
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: The most important thing is what they want, and what

575
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: they want is something called the Storm and the Great Awakening. Now,

576
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: what this is is that this is a period where

577
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: martial law will be declared. Military tribunals will be used

578
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: to put on trial civilians who they think of members

579
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: of the Kabbal, followed by public executions.

580
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: This is exactly what QAnon is.

581
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: That is the goal they are working for, and that

582
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: should always be mentioned whenever they're being spoken about.

583
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: Which is why it's really particularly bad that I didn't

584
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: mention it. That's the thing. So, like you said, it's

585
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: very appealing, right, and that that's the.

586
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: Danger, because this is how you get good people to

587
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: do bad things. You've created a system whereby the people,

588
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: they just think that these people of the members of

589
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: the Kabbal, they're evil. Right, there's the demons in human skin,

590
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: you know, they eat babies, they drink their blood. Like

591
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: they could not be more cartoonously evil if you tried,

592
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: right at you could not sell it to any It's like.

593
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: A guy with the mustache tying babies to the.

594
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly exactly, except not in a comical cartoon form,

595
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: like in.

596
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: An actual physical greed play.

597
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 3: And then he took their heads off before him, they

598
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: got run over by train for some reason, because.

599
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: He's just not evil.

600
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: So by creating this like system of belief, you have

601
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: essentially cast your enemies as the most evil people, evil incarnate.

602
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: When you think of your opponent as evil incarnate, there

603
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: is nothing you will not do to them that you

604
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: will not consider justified. You will watch them burn, and

605
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 3: you will be happy and celebrate them burning. Huanon. People

606
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: cannot wait for the public executions.

607
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: They're cheering.

608
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: I personally, if Charnald Trump had declared martial law, it

609
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: would have been the greatest day of my life, right,

610
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: the greatest day. And you think about that for a second,

611
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: Martial law like the most fascist, authoritarian form of government

612
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: that you could possibly have. And all these people are

613
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: supporting that idea to the point where they want it.

614
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: Can you just describe martial law for anyone who doesn't

615
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: know what martial law means?

616
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: Sure? So, martial law is essentially the military takeover of

617
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: political institutions, that the military is in charge, the generals

618
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: are in charge, and the soldiers are the police. And

619
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: the reason why you separate police and military is because

620
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: one protects the people and one fight the state's enemies,

621
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: and when you make the military the police, the enemies

622
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: of the state tend to become the people. So that's

623
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: why it's particularly brute. And as a result of that,

624
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: like you really could not imagine a worse situation. Now,

625
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: these people are actively supporting it, right, they actively want

626
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: this to happen because they think their opponents.

627
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: Are so evil that it's all justified.

628
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: And like, this is a thing I knew, and I

629
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: always thought at that time that I completely understood what

630
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: it meant by the ends, not justifying the means. I

631
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: completely understood what it meant by the roads, that hell

632
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: is paid for the good intentions.

633
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: I did not know, Jack, because even.

634
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: Though I would say at the time I still held

635
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: those virtues to be very close to my heart, I still,

636
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: on the other hand, I was advocating for a system

637
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: of military dictatorship and was celebrating it and would be

638
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: happy about it. So that's the level of cognitive dissonance

639
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: that I had, and I didn't. You know, people throw

640
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: out that world a lot, right, they throughout like they're

641
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: dan it's cognitive dissance, cognitive dissonance.

642
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, if you have cognitive dissonance.

643
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 6: You won't even know, right, you will have the idea

644
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 6: will never even enter your mind, your universe and if

645
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 6: someone tells you, if someone talks to me is like, dude,

646
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 6: well what you mean, Like how can you say?

647
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: The INDs don't justify the means?

648
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: But at the same time you want military and like

649
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: tribunals and stuff, and I'll just be like, I'll do

650
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, i just blow them off right with hands.

651
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 6: I'll do this so evil, so like you won't even

652
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 6: allow that thought to enter your mind.

653
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: Right, I'm curious about as far as the like whole

654
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: demon sort of superstitious side of that all. Did you

655
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: subscribe to that part? Because from my understanding of QAnon,

656
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: there are a lot of sort of disparate connected beliefs

657
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: and not everyone has the same like sort of set of.

658
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: Beliefs, so mine was even crazier. All right, There is

659
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: no like Bible of QAnon. Right, there's no like a

660
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 3: canon of QAnon. Everything in QAnon is just cannon because

661
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: every conspiracy you've ever heard, and like I said, something

662
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: that you haven't can be projected onto, cued on because

663
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: q doesn't post like specific things or he didn't used

664
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: to right now he's very specific like, oh, the Democrats

665
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: are evil, blah blah blah.

666
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: Right before it was a little bit more vague and

667
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: open ended.

668
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: Right, so there is a definite religious aspect to it.

669
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: It used to be a little bit more like secular

670
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: and apolitical like he did. He was like Republicans and Democrats,

671
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 3: and he didn't really use a religious and spiritual jargon.

672
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: But now he's like, he started quoting the Bible mentions

673
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 3: God a lot. So there's definitely like a large sway

674
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: or swap of quon. Followers are like, you know, Southern

675
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: Conservatives and Catholics and Christians because Q appeals to them

676
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: because he uses Bible versus I wouldn't say I'm religious,

677
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: maybe spiritual, a little bit agnostic, but not in an

678
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: atheist way.

679
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 4: And a look, dude, I don't know.

680
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: I feel like there could be something else, you know,

681
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: then the three dimensions.

682
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: That we see, I don't know what that is. I

683
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: don't know what that entails, but it feels like it

684
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: could be true.

685
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: Right at the time, though I didn't believe in the

686
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: whole demon thing, but what I did believe, this is

687
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: what I did believe that I've I had this conspiracy theory.

688
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 4: This is how far I was into conspiracy theories before

689
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: I found CUE. Right.

690
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: I genuinely believed that there was a race of interdimensional

691
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 3: alien birds who were bipedal who were trying to save

692
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 3: us from these the lack of a better word, reptilians, right,

693
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: And I believe that q was working with military intelligence,

694
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: because that's what everyone seems to believe, the qu's military intelligence,

695
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: but that the military intelligence were working with these Blue Avians.

696
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: They were called like you look about the still around

697
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: like Corey good Ye's the guy who propagates it, but like, yeah,

698
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: like the Blue Avians are behind QAnon and like there

699
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: was like this UFO disclosure all right, like the Pentagon

700
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: EUFO stuff and you know you're there and a force

701
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 3: had been announced, right, So I was like, yeah, dude,

702
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: for sure, this is like your full disclosure as the

703
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: Blue Aliens they're gonna save us from the reptilian who

704
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: are the ones behind the cop Wow.

705
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: So you're you're much more in this sort of sci

706
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: fi version. Wow, that's fascinating. So the birds are what

707
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: they are, the.

708
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 5: Fifth fifth dimensional, right, higher aliens who have come to

709
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 5: our dimension to stop these other fifth dimensional aliens from

710
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 5: stealing our souls, on our spirit, our energy which crosses dimensions.

711
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Got it, Damn.

712
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: I wish they were something a little bit sexier than birds.

713
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: But okay, my pole right.

714
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I had read this book about this woman

715
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: who says that Hillary Clinton sexually abused it when she

716
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: was a child.

717
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: I forget what the name of the book was.

718
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: And in that book she stated that George, I think

719
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 3: it was, I had a holographic technology that couldn't make

720
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: him look like reptilian, and that the reptilians were actually

721
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: humans using holographic technology.

722
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 4: And I remember, yeah.

723
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: I know, and I remembered that, and I was like,

724
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: wait a minute, maybe they're all human and they're all

725
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 3: and this is just like another layer to the conspiracy.

726
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 2: Ah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, dude, I can

727
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: I can see myself getting so into this. Dude, Like

728
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: I feel like you just did all my work for me,

729
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: you like fixed it, and I'm so thankful because like

730
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: it does sound same, but you know, it almost reminds

731
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: me of like an eating disorder or something. You have

732
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: something to deal with that's uncontrollable, so you fix it.

733
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 2: On other ship it is and.

734
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: That's illustrates the problem with Q and ON is that

735
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: even if you prove it's fake, right, even if you

736
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: get someone out of it, and people do get out

737
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: of it, all, the whelming majority of them will just

738
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: go deeper into the rabbit hole. They will just explain

739
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: it away with one another conspiracy.

740
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: Right right, right.

741
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: And so the key is like, how do we get

742
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: these people to not just get out of cute On

743
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: deradicalize themselves because it is a radical movement, right right,

744
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: and how do we.

745
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: Get them back to society.

746
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: So the first problem is getting them to understand that

747
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: Q is full of crap. The second thing is getting

748
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: them back into society and not further down the rabbit hole,

749
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: because if they got further down the rabbit hole, that's

750
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 3: not really good for anyone that might actually be I don't.

751
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: Know if it's worse.

752
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: It might be better from a society perspective, but it's

753
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: probably not better from an individual perspective. Right, Yeah.

754
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the capital situation. And so

755
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: two of the women who died were heavy hardcore quan

756
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: On believers, both Ashley Babbitt and also another woman who

757
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: died in real Zan Boylan, had fallen very deep into it,

758
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: and she fell into it because of the Wayfair conspiracy theory,

759
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: which for anyone who's not familiar, I don't know if

760
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: you guys followed that little moment on the internet last year,

761
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: but it was interesting because I even saw some of

762
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: my own friends sharing it.

763
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: Could you explain that to me, because I I really

764
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: am not across that at all.

765
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: So the furniture website Wayfair, which is an aggregator website

766
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: that other retailers sell their products on, somebody discovered that

767
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: one of these retailers and that even that distinction was

768
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: kind of lost, and they were just saying, it's Wayfair,

769
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: it's Wayfair, it's Wayfair. It's a specific retailer had cabinets

770
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: listed that were like ten thousand dollars, and the same

771
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: cabinets were listed for like, I don't know what the

772
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: exact number was, but maybe like one hundred and fifty

773
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: dollars elsewhere. But this one retailer had all of these

774
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: furniture pieces that were like way way way way, way, way,

775
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: way too expensive for what they were, and the names

776
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: of the furniture corresponded to a handful of names of

777
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: children who had gone missing. So basically the conclusion that

778
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: people came to was wayfair is selling children, and they're

779
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're doing it in the form of like cabinet,

780
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: like that's that's their cover, doing it in plain sights.

781
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: And people on Twitter there were hundreds of thousands of

782
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: like retweets on this. It was crazy, like people, I know,

783
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: who are you know, smart? Normal people. People started going

784
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: on a deep dive. They would look for all the

785
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: because each furniture is like a name, like a person's name.

786
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, first name, cabinet or something.

787
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: I think one of the main one of the main

788
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: girls was Annabelle, and then there was a girl named Annabelle.

789
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: It's a first name. There were what I like, the

790
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: reason I think people got so drawn in by that

791
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: is because some of the names were really really specific

792
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: names that you don't really hear very often.

793
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 4: It's almost like a unique name.

794
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 3: You'd want to give you a piece of art, like

795
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: instead of just calling you barried. Right.

796
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: Well, and then of course it came out and a

797
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: handful of those children that they found the news articles

798
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: about being missing had either been found dead like seven

799
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: years ago, or they were found again and they were

800
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: just like at their friend's house, you know, like some

801
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: of them are still missing. But it's just like when

802
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: names are in the news, you're going to find something

803
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: bad that happened to someone, because that's what happens in

804
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: the news.

805
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 4: It's not like it's it'll be a name that children have.

806
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: It's not like the name will be like Rama Krishnan,

807
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: my granddad say, if it was that, then maybe yeah.

808
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: On top of that, it's like, dude, like why would

809
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: they use the same name. Like even sex workers change

810
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: their names, right, people have hearts pronounced, Like you're telling

811
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: me these criminal kabbala to change the peasant.

812
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: Name that the fucking stupid child awaited child.

813
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's the problem with all these conspiracies,

814
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: Like I hate the reason I haven't heard of it

815
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: because I hate conspiracies.

816
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: Now I actually hate them so much. Even why Jeffrey

817
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: actually in Bill Clinton.

818
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, maybe he just had to catch a flight, bro,

819
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: Maybe he just needed a ride.

820
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: Dude, I don't know.

821
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: So so now it's like, on one hand, you've got

822
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: this organization that is so mcaveelian and smart.

823
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: They can do all this.

824
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: Stuff right, but they're so stupid to leave out these

825
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: clues in like fucking wide open pick a lane.

826
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. It gives way too much credit

827
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: to the intelligence of human beings, Like people are not

828
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: that fucking smart, and if they are, they wouldn't make

829
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: those mistakes, right.

830
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: The irony is like the right wing, who are usually

831
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: economically right as well, not just politically right. They're libertarian

832
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: to the sense that the reason why they don't believe

833
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 3: in government is they be believed that why person can

834
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 3: know like like, for example, a farmer knows exactly what

835
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: kind of croupt the plant is farm, right, but some

836
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: bureaucrat sitting in the capitol is not going to know

837
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 3: what's the best plant to farm. So as a result

838
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: of that, they believe that any centralized power is inherently

839
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 3: inefficient and it's always better to be decentralized. But at

840
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: the same time, there's a central kabala people controlling the world.

841
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 3: Your economic belief you see, you think that this is impossible,

842
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: but on the same hand, you believe that it's true.

843
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: Back to the wayfair thing, like with the cabinets being

844
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: a lot more expensive, dude, it's probably money laundry, Like

845
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: that's what they.

846
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 4: Do with the.

847
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: Laundry to just run in the middle, classic boring money laundry,

848
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: somebody sexy, so not very interesting.

849
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 4: Like the stolen children thing is way more.

850
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: Interesting, right, I know. I saw a variety of theories

851
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: on like actual practical reasons why that might be happening.

852
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: It's like some like bad business practice anyway, whatever, it's

853
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: WA's not trafficking children. But one of the women who

854
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: died and I noticed that conspiracy in particular when it

855
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: happened because I was like, is the world going fucking mad?

856
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: Why do people actually think this is the thing? And

857
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: one of the women who died this week, that's how

858
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: she got sucked in.

859
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And a.

860
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: Lot of the people who are getting sucked in interestingly,

861
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: and I want to go back to your story in

862
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: a second, but are are not the people I would

863
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: expect to be Trump supporters. It's coming from a lot

864
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: of like there are a lot of sort of mommy

865
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: bloggers and Instagram wellness people getting sucked in through the

866
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: anti vax stuff. I mean, it's really just such a

867
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: broad coalition at this point. It's very scary.

868
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that now every conspiracy today in

869
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one leads back to QAnon at some point.

870
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: Any conspiracy, all conspiracies lead back to quteon because QAnon

871
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: is like this grand unified theory of conspiracy theories where

872
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: like all the conspiracy series intertwined into one. Right, So,

873
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: especially with things like Instagram and influences and wellness, I

874
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: think they call it pastor QAnon right, where you have

875
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: like just it seems like it's very nicely colored in

876
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: pastal blue and yellow, right, and you have some very

877
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: very like non offensive like just, oh, is the government

878
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: lying about the coronavirus?

879
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 4: Right?

880
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: Okay? And everyone heard Donald Trump lying about it? Who

881
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: doesn't think that on some levels, I'm sure they're lying

882
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: about something, not that it's saying, of course not. I

883
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: think that's why a lot of these women tend to

884
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: get sort of sucked in to this whole by the

885
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: spiritually wellness stuff. And it also feeds into the whole

886
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: like vibration and energy, which also has a religious aspect

887
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: to it.

888
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 4: Right, Really we look fundamentally.

889
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: I think the reason why these conspiracy theories are any

890
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory, especially in twenty twenty one now, is so appealing.

891
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: It's because it's in a strange way. And I know

892
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: it's a little like antithetical to say this, but it's

893
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: like they in a world full of chaos, it is

894
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: much nicer to believe.

895
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 4: That there is an organized structure in the world.

896
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: The idea that there's an evil cabal controlling things is

897
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: actually a much more appealing idea than the world is

898
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: just chaotic and we're just you know, pieces of meat

899
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 3: running around just speeding through space.

900
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 4: Right, because there.

901
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 3: Is that means that bad things are happening for a reason,

902
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: and if we can stop the bad people, bad things

903
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: can stop happening.

904
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 4: Right, So there's an element of.

905
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: Control there, and that is I think more appealing even

906
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: if it's the bad guys who are in power then

907
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: the chaotic universe that we tend.

908
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 4: To live in or we do live in.

909
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, it's the same reason people turn to religion,

910
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: and it's just another more harmful version of that.

911
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like that taken to the end power Yeah right, Yeah.

912
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: Do you think that you would have been at the

913
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: Capitol this week?

914
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: Whow Like, dude, I would have flown over like like

915
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: I was ready to join the military.

916
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 5: Right.

917
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: You know how people always ask themselves, Yeah, everyone always

918
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 3: ask themselves.

919
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: Its like dude, if I was in Nazi Germany, you

920
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 4: know what would I do?

921
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: And everyone's like everyone wants to think and they do

922
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: think that, you know, they'd be like saving and Frank doing.

923
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: Whatever, all right, I don't know.

924
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the problem is, dude, I do know, and I

925
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: know that the fuck I would have been a goddamn

926
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: Nazi if I'm Nazi Germany.

927
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 4: And that idea is very disturbing to me to this day.

928
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: And the idea that I would advocate for some like

929
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: martial boy military child public executions.

930
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 4: I don't even like the death penalty right.

931
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 3: And if Hillary Clinton had been strung up by like,

932
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: you know, by a fucking rope, I would have been cheering.

933
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, that's so messed up. This is

934
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: so messed up. So like that's the real danger, like

935
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: set of cure not. It's like, this is how you

936
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: get good people to do bad things. That's why the

937
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: capital building happened, that storming happened. They don't look at

938
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: it as like it's a bad thing. They look like

939
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: it as a great moment.

940
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: Well, they think they're fighting evil, yeah.

941
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, that's what everyone thought.

942
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: Obviously, people have to be responsible for what they do,

943
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: they have to be responsible for the choices that they make.

944
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: But the people who are doing it are convinced that

945
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: they are the good guys and what they're fighting is

946
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: evil's and.

947
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: That's the dirty little secret of humans. Right.

948
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 4: Everyone thinks they're the good.

949
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: Guys, yeah, and.

950
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks the other people are evil. The Nazis did

951
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: not think they were any less good than the Allies

952
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: thought that were less good. The Japanese didn't think that

953
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 3: they were any less good than their allies either.

954
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 4: Right.

955
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 3: If Nazi Germany had won, the Allies would have been

956
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: cast as Nazi Germany. Hitler would be like fucking you

957
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: know JFK. Maybe even like cross with Mauzedong when you

958
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: see that happening, right, when you stop looking at your

959
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: opponent as human, right, not fundamentally evil or good, just

960
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 3: as human.

961
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 4: Right.

962
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying they're not all evil people, Let's

963
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: I think definitely.

964
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: Sociopaths and psychopaths right.

965
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: Are probably the closest to evil as you could get,

966
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: but only because they don't really have the ability to empathize.

967
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: Right, so they don't care.

968
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 3: About good and evil, right, And no, I'm not doing

969
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: I hate them, right, I don't like them at all.

970
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: I've known a few of them, Yeah, and I don't

971
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: like them.

972
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: But having said that, like you said, you sort have

973
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: to look at them as human, Like it's so easy

974
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: to fall into this trap, right, it's very human.

975
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: That's the problem.

976
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: Here is that we like everyone wants to blame, but

977
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: not really like we have to blame ourselves, but we don't.

978
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 4: We can't only blame ourselves.

979
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: There's kind of similar to your point where you're like, dude,

980
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: and what where's the line between individuals agency and like

981
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: external manipulation, Like where's the line? There is no line.

982
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: It's blood, right, it depends. I guess the line is

983
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: the law, you know. I guess that's what we've decided

984
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: commutely as a society.

985
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Right, the line is actually committing the crime. I mean,

986
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: but I mean that's a whole other topic because I

987
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: don't personally think our punitive justice system is one that works.

988
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: So that's that's a whole other can of worms. But

989
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: for now, of course, the system we have is what

990
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: we're dealing with, and violence should never be tolerated.

991
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: Obviously, you're talking to a guy who was smoking weed

992
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: in jail for two years.

993
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 4: A bunch of hardcore criminals. What do you think is

994
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 4: gonna happen?

995
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: Right, So let's go back to you. So, actually, first

996
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: of all, tell us about how you started talking to

997
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: your dad about it.

998
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my dad, ironically, my dad was the only

999
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 3: person I knew that had said Donald Trump was gonna win.

1000
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: And he said this like a year before he won, right,

1001
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like the shut up, blah blah blah, and

1002
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: like Donald Trump won and I'm like damn. And the

1003
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: thing is, my dad has always been a bit of

1004
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 3: a conspiracy theorist right, a little bit like that contrarian,

1005
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: kind of like old dismissive, like Indian guy. He I

1006
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: have very different people, so we don't really see ida

1007
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: eye on anything except we discussed politics, alike, that's the

1008
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 3: only thing we can actually discuss because we're not too

1009
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: far misalive on that.

1010
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 4: So that's how it started. But I used to talk

1011
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 4: to my dad about politics.

1012
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 3: Then when I found out about QAnon, I started telling

1013
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: him stuff, and I tried to talk to other people

1014
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: about it. Right, no one wanted to hear it. No

1015
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: one wanted to listen, right, Like, dude, shut up. And

1016
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: it's also my fault. As well, because I could not

1017
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: not talk about it. I was obsessed with it. I

1018
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: could only talk about q and on every conversation I

1019
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: would have to bring it back to this conspiracy theory, right,

1020
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: talking about why the post is late. Right, Like you know,

1021
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: there's a lot of lizards around here today, right, I

1022
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 3: found connected back. So no one wanted to talk to me,

1023
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 3: but my dad did.

1024
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 4: And my dad.

1025
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: Listened to every single thing I had to say for

1026
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: hours at a time, all right, And he listened very intentively.

1027
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: And I liked the idea that my dad was respecting

1028
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: what I had to say. I liked that idea. It

1029
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: was very It was very sweet, right in a way,

1030
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: like sickly sweet, right, like pure honey or something.

1031
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 4: It was like ambrosia. I just I told him everything.

1032
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 3: You and I would discuss it for so long and

1033
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: for hours and hours, for days, weeks, months, right, And

1034
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: like he started watching his stuff on his own, and

1035
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: he come to me. He comes to me asking for

1036
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: advice and looking at me like a subject matter expert.

1037
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 3: He never does that for anything, all right, for anything,

1038
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: even though there's so many things I know more than

1039
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: my dad. So when he did that with QAnon, it

1040
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: was very Yeah, I liked it a lot, so I

1041
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 3: kept telling him stuff and stuff that I thought was true.

1042
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: My dad still believes in it, oh man.

1043
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 3: And to the point where he believes in it so

1044
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: much that he thinks that the cabal is using me

1045
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 3: to get to him. Oh, we're actually not speaking at

1046
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 3: the moment, we had, like we had an argument. It

1047
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 3: wasn't cure on related, like we can't talk about politics anymore,

1048
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: like at all, which is actually like considering all that,

1049
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: like you've got so many people have lost people, like

1050
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: people have gone divorced, right, children who have been kicked

1051
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 3: out of their house. You know, someone made a post

1052
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: about her aunt's committing suicide, like best friend lifelong best

1053
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: friends being ripped the part. So in that context, me

1054
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: and my dad not talking being able to talk about

1055
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 3: politics is really not that big of a deal, right,

1056
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: but even the ranks. But on the other hand, it's

1057
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: like we just don't talk anymore, and like right now

1058
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 3: we're not talking. I don't know. I've tried to convince him,

1059
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: like I've tried more than anyone, but I cannot do it.

1060
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: And I feel very guilty.

1061
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I feel very guilty.

1062
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: I feel like in some way. This is like kind

1063
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 3: of my penance, right because I have to find a

1064
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 3: way to radicalize him. I have to because I did

1065
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: this to him. Right for me, he never would have

1066
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 3: found out about QAnon. He doesn't go on the internet.

1067
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: He barely uses his phone, right, he just watches YouTube

1068
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: and ship.

1069
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: He might have found it. My dad has a surprising

1070
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: number of people who are not tech savvy, who are

1071
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: starting to pedal conspiracy theories in a way that would

1072
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: never have happened five years ago.

1073
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 4: Maybe I like to think that.

1074
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if he was already sort of inclined toward

1075
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, I think it's definitely possible.

1076
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: Can you stop talking, let me feel sorry for myself.

1077
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 4: Figure, I think you're right. I think you're right.

1078
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: And given that he was into conspiracies, the way I

1079
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: got out of it was like, there's not a coincidence that.

1080
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 3: As my mental health and social isolation improved, I started

1081
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: to question q a lot more. I started reintegrating myself

1082
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: back to society with my friends. I got treatment for

1083
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 3: my ADHD and then got diagnosed and got treatment for

1084
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: my bipolar. I have FLEBC as well, but that was

1085
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 3: always kind of being treated.

1086
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: So as that improved. It was social isolation improved.

1087
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: I started to question Q a lot more because I'm like, dude,

1088
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 3: all these predictions that he makes are always wrong. They're

1089
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 3: always wrong, like everything from declassification to eleven eleven, which

1090
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 3: was the day Trump was supposed to have his military

1091
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 3: parade right to whatever. It's always wrong about everything about sessions.

1092
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: John Durham Ran Durham is coming the Durham investigation. And

1093
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 3: then I started to ask myself, It's like why, Like

1094
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: I still believe this is true, but why. And I

1095
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: came back and I narrowed it down to like that

1096
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: tip top tippy top shape thing. I went and I

1097
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: tried to look for. I was like, okay, let me

1098
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: try and I type into duc duc go because that

1099
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: I was so paranoid.

1100
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: I was using duc duc go.

1101
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: And on Google, I don't even know what that is.

1102
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 3: So that's like a search engine that's supposedly anonymous and

1103
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 3: doesn't track you, got it. But it's also worse than

1104
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: Google because it's like if I type like torrents on Google, right,

1105
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: I won't get any toyrean website.

1106
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 4: If I typing torrents on dut dot go.

1107
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: I'll get a lot of them, right, a lot that

1108
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: I would ever type in torrents. Yeah, I typed in

1109
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: like Q and on tip top tippy top shape, like

1110
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 3: false or like you're fake or something, right, And then

1111
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 3: I came across his YouTube video and it only had

1112
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: like a thousand views, and it's like the production quality

1113
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: wasn't great, right, I'll be honest, but it was a

1114
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 3: two part video and essentially it was showing that.

1115
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 4: First off, the same person.

1116
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: Who pointed out that Donald Trump had said the phrase

1117
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: tiptop tippy top shape was the same person who asked

1118
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 3: for it to be said. Right now, you can say

1119
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 3: that that's like, that's reasonable because they were on the lookout.

1120
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 4: But it's like it's a pretty big coincidence.

1121
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: Okay, like it was four months later, dude, it's anonymous,

1122
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: but Maine.

1123
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 4: More than that, the video points.

1124
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: Out that that is just something that Donald Trump says.

1125
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: That's like a personal catchphrase of his, the same way

1126
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: I say Jesus Christmas. Right, So it's just he says,

1127
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: he says it all the time, well, tiptop to be

1128
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: top shape. And on top of that, the day it

1129
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: was requested was the day before the State of the Union.

1130
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: In a speech. So the thing that really got me

1131
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 3: wasn't that this was like fake or whatever. The thing

1132
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: that really got me was like, no, dude, it was

1133
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: requested the day before the State of the Union speech,

1134
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 3: which means that someone was hoping he would say that

1135
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 3: in that speech, right, And on top of that, that

1136
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 3: means someone would have a had to identify that as

1137
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 3: something Donald Trump says. Secondly, use that in a way

1138
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: to preempt to preempt what he's going to say as

1139
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: a proof of cues authenticity, knowing that everyone will not

1140
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: go deeper than one level of investigation, right.

1141
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 4: And I'm like this, I'm.

1142
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: Like, I know exactly the kind of person who would

1143
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: do that, who could do that in the first place,

1144
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: and that's a sociopath. Sociopaths they know people better than

1145
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 3: they know themselves. I'm not being hyperbolic, they really do.

1146
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 3: But they also know how to manipulate you. And I'm

1147
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: like this, just the fact that it was used as manipulation, right,

1148
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: that you could see the manipulation. I was like, dude,

1149
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: I was being I've been manipulated here, And if I've

1150
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: been manipulated here in this way, who knows how many

1151
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: other ways I've been manipulated in who.

1152
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: Knows, I'll never know.

1153
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: And that point I was like, dude, oh my god,

1154
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 3: I was this is wrong, right someone, Like they're manipulating you.

1155
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: It's obviously wrong. It's obviously not true. Why would they

1156
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 3: manipulate you otherwise? And from that point on, I was

1157
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 3: like I completely disavowed every conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

1158
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: I was like, there is because I was so sure

1159
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: about cue. I was more sure than anything right, and

1160
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: I was so wrong, Like I could not have been

1161
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: more wrong. And it's not like I was wrong about

1162
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: the weather. I was so ovatently ridiculous and stupid.

1163
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: So how long was this process between like this moment

1164
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: where you see this and like realizing sort of it

1165
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: all breaking open.

1166
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 4: It happened in.

1167
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: Like a second, right wow, Like it was just like

1168
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: when people say that they felt like the world would

1169
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: come crashing down. That's what it felt like, Like nothing

1170
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 3: physical happened.

1171
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 4: But imagine imagine if.

1172
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: Your world physically like came crashing down on you, like

1173
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 3: your house, the sky, right, like you know, whatever, how

1174
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 3: you would mentally react in that situation, like the disorientation,

1175
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 3: the dizzey, the shock, the horror, right, the confusion. That's

1176
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: what happened. So I had that mental reaction without that

1177
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: physical reaction taking place, and I was like why, Like

1178
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 3: my mind was just blown. I was just like I

1179
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 3: was in a state of shock, right, it was almost paralyzed,

1180
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: and like I didn't know what to do. So I

1181
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: went outside and I had a cigarette, right, And I

1182
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: was just standing there having a cigarette because that's the

1183
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 3: only thing I could think. I was like, I don't

1184
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: know what to do right now, Like what do I do?

1185
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: What do I do with my hands? What do I

1186
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: do with my feet? Do I do I do I blink?

1187
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: Right?

1188
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: Like That's how like broken I was in regard to

1189
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: what to think and what to do.

1190
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 4: And I went outside. I said, okay, let me start small,

1191
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 4: have a cigarette.

1192
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: And then I was like, I don't know how do

1193
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: I trust my thoughts and feelings anymore? Like how do

1194
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 3: I even trust the thoughts and feelings I'm having about

1195
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 3: not being able to trust my thoughts and feelings like,

1196
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: And then I was standing there and I was like, okay,

1197
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 3: start small, start with the most basic, basic, basic thing.

1198
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 4: Right, you were wrong? I was wrong?

1199
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I was wrong.

1200
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 4: Okay.

1201
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: Now, at the same time, I had been visiting like

1202
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: this anti Q subreddit, which is like cult with a

1203
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: que underscore headquarters on Reddit, and just to see what

1204
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: the other guys were saying the opposite side were saying right,

1205
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, I was wrong, these guys

1206
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 3: were right. If I was right, I would want to

1207
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 3: know that I was right. So what I need to

1208
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 3: do now is go tell them that they were correct.

1209
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 4: Right. That was the only thing I could think of doing, right.

1210
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: I need to go inside, get a glass of water,

1211
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 3: and tell them that they were correct. Five minutes after

1212
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 3: I made that realization, I I wrote a post on

1213
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: that subreddit and I was just like, look, you guys

1214
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 3: were right. But it also wasn't just like an altruistic thing.

1215
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: I was also incredibly I felt like I deserve some

1216
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 3: kind of punishment, right. I felt like I needed to

1217
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 3: be punished right for being so stupid and so wrong

1218
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 3: and yet thinking I was so smart and so right.

1219
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: And I was like, this deserves some punishment. So I

1220
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 3: was half expecting, also half hoping, that people would just like,

1221
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 3: lamb blast me right, like with me the shreds right.

1222
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: I was like, if anyone was gonna do it, it be

1223
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: these guys. Right, and the exact opposite happened, the exact opposite,

1224
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 3: to the point where there was like over one hundred

1225
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: and one hundred and fifty comments on that post. Every

1226
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: single one of them was supportive. And it wasn't just like, oh, dude,

1227
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: don't worry, everyone makes mistakes, move on, right. I wasn't

1228
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 3: like that kind of like support. It was like, dude, listen,

1229
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 3: welcome to the world as it is. We are happy

1230
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: to have you here. Better you be here with us

1231
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 3: than over there with ce. Right.

1232
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,959
Speaker 4: There was one post that.

1233
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 3: Was that was negative, and it wasn't even that bad.

1234
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: It was just someone saying, I'm like, you're an idiot,

1235
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 3: and I'm like, dude, I know. And those guys I

1236
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 3: was broken and they kind of put me back together again.

1237
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 3: They gave me permission. They gave me permission to like

1238
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: have retained some sense of dignity and just try and

1239
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: learn from this mistake and own this mistake.

1240
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:25,479
Speaker 4: Right.

1241
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 3: And it wasn't for them, I don't know where I

1242
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: would be. I might not even be here. Yeah, So,

1243
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 3: I mean there's a story. It's not a story I

1244
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 3: would think would ever happen, especially like a positive story

1245
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 3: on Reddit. Right, happened. It definitely does happen. But I'll

1246
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: always be grateful to those guys for sure. So that

1247
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 3: was in June twenty nineteen. And then about almost a

1248
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 3: year later, exactly June twenty twenty, a journalist contacted me.

1249
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: I'm asking if I wanted to tell my story. It

1250
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 4: remained anonymous, and I'm like.

1251
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 3: Dude, no, right, Like I didn't get back to her

1252
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 3: for like a month, and I'm like, dude, fuck that shit.

1253
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 3: Are you serious? Fuck that noise. I don't want to

1254
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,439
Speaker 3: be known as like the world's biggest idiot. My mom

1255
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 3: was like, you know, you can do it anonymously.

1256
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 7: I'm like, dude, there's no pony doing it anonymously, because

1257
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 7: if I'm going to do it, I have to go

1258
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 7: on the record, because otherwise it'd be too easy for

1259
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 7: any person who follows you to dismiss it, like some

1260
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 7: anonymous dude says.

1261
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, shut.

1262
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 3: Up right, Like no, no one's gonna believe that. And

1263
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 3: then like a month later, I just I was just

1264
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: like read because I read that post every now and

1265
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 3: again just to read the comments, just to remind myself, right,

1266
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: And they only asked me to do one thing, and

1267
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: that was tell my story. That's all I asked, all right.

1268
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: They didn't ask me to do anything else. They just

1269
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: asked me to tell my story. And I was like, man,

1270
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: I owe these guys, Like for sure, I owe these guys.

1271
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 4: And they asked me to do one thing.

1272
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 3: I have to do it. And I thought about it,

1273
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: talked her over with my friends and family, you know,

1274
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 3: talk me about how this can affect job prospects and

1275
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, relationships and things like that, and like you

1276
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 3: can't really know these things.

1277
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: It could be worse, could be better, it could be

1278
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 4: the same.

1279
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 3: Right, So at the end of the day, I was

1280
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: just like, you know, I fuck it whatever, like cares dude.

1281
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: And also I felt like this was a big burden

1282
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 3: on me, like this was my greatest shame, like it

1283
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,959
Speaker 3: from the worst thing I've ever done in my entire life.

1284
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 4: I was deeply ashamed.

1285
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 3: So I felt like if I can just be honest,

1286
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 3: like then, if I can just be honest about this

1287
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 3: and confess and tell people that yes, I.

1288
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 7: Believed in this, that would remove its power over me

1289
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 7: in regards to having the shame, because in a way

1290
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 7: QAnon was still affecting my.

1291
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: Life right right, and.

1292
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 3: In a way, it's still kind of affecting my life. Right.

1293
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: I can now talk about it all the time, but

1294
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: it doesn't have the same mental effect. It's not that

1295
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: mental weight that's dragging me down. I like talking about it.

1296
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 3: I like talking about it to you guys. It's interesting.

1297
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: People have really good questions.

1298
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: Tell us how you've been trying to help your dad,

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Speaker 1: and also, do you have any advice for people who

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Speaker 1: have loved ones who are like stuck in quanon.

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Speaker 3: The way I found to try and get him back

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Speaker 3: to normal is that and didn't make the issue cute

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Speaker 3: on im like I don't care about cute on. Forget

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Speaker 3: about the politics. Shit, right, your behavior is unacceptable. You

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01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 3: can't go out when we're going talking to our neighbors

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 3: at a party and drone on and on and on

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Speaker 3: for forty five minutes with some poor lady who just

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Speaker 3: asked you how your day was going, telling her about

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Speaker 3: fucking reptilean. You can't do that.

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Speaker 4: That it's unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: That's the advice I would give to people who know

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Speaker 3: people who are inflicted by this, that forget about the

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Speaker 3: politics and the quon all right, forget about it. I

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Speaker 3: know it's hard to accept, but just accept that for

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Speaker 3: now this is what they believe, right, Make the issue

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Speaker 3: their behavior, Like quton has nothing to do with the

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Speaker 3: fact that you spent the last week, you know, watching

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Speaker 3: YouTube videos and you haven't taken the dog for a walk,

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Speaker 3: or you haven't like you know, called back your accountant,

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Speaker 3: or you missed your child's soccer game on the.

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Speaker 4: Weekend, and that has nothing to do with Q and on.

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Speaker 4: Just real blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna take that in the command Great, are you

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Speaker 3: gonna watch the dishes?

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Speaker 4: ISQ gonna do my dishes?

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Speaker 3: That's the advice I would give to someone, is I

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Speaker 3: make the issue the behavior.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is about to like ramp up

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Speaker 2: a ton or maybe start kind of settling down.

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Speaker 4: I think we're way past the simmering downstage.

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Speaker 3: Shit, we're way part if we hit critical mass already. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Capital riots were like the result of that and

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Speaker 3: all these bannings and stuff. Dude, this is only increasing

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Speaker 3: Q followers, right, Like I've been scoping out a few

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Speaker 3: q forums here and there, and like the mass exodus

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Speaker 3: of regular Trump supporters who are now converting into form

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Speaker 3: cultures is massive. It's massive, and the problem with the censorship.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you shouldn't sense these guys like

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Speaker 3: you should have sensored Sydney Powell and fucking Linwood.

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Speaker 4: Right, you should have censored them three months ago.

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Speaker 3: Like what are you doing censoring them that you should

1342
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Speaker 3: have kicked Donald Trump off years ago? If you were

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Speaker 3: going to do it, he's already reached that critical mass stage.

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Speaker 3: It is important to reach out to these people with

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Speaker 3: empathy and sympathy, like it really is in the sense

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Speaker 3: that it could happen to anyone. Right, there's not a

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Speaker 3: typical profile of someone who falls into a cult. There's

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Speaker 3: no typical profile. There can be high IQ, low IQ,

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Speaker 3: high empathy, low empathy, ugly attractive man, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: So as a result of that, we have to reach

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Speaker 3: out to them as if they're human. But at the

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Speaker 3: same time, they need to accept that they were wrong.

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Speaker 3: You can't forgive someone until they come to you saying

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Speaker 3: that they were wrong. Right, and if they are wrong,

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Speaker 3: forgive them. If they asked to forgiveness for the same

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Speaker 3: thing thirty times, then maybe you shouldn't. But like the

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Speaker 3: first time you have forgive them, dude, Forgiveness is.

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Speaker 4: A very powerful act.

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Speaker 3: I think the only way get rid of it is

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Speaker 3: like accept that they're human. But then they also have

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Speaker 3: to accept that what they're doing, what they're advocating for

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Speaker 3: the cure, is worse than the disease.

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Speaker 4: But they I don't blame anyone who doesn't do that.

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Speaker 4: How can you blame someone I thought the same thing?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: How can I blame someone for making the same exact

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Speaker 4: mistake that.

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Speaker 3: I did, just because I was lucky enough by secrets

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Speaker 3: of events to like snap out of it, like that

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Speaker 3: wasn't like I didn't do that. That kind of just happened, right, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a much larger conversation that we probably

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Speaker 1: don't have time for today, But just the question of

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Speaker 1: the question of free will and how much of the

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Speaker 1: choices that we make is just really determined by the

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Speaker 1: outside environment, interacting with our genes, interacting with this whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know. I tend to err on the side of

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Speaker 1: empathy just because I'm I have seen how easy it

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Speaker 1: is for people to fall prey to things that later

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Speaker 1: on they're like, what the fuck was I thinking? That's

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Speaker 1: not me at all? But it's the right time, the

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Speaker 1: right confluence event at the right time. I guess it

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Speaker 1: depends on how much stock you put into free will.

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Speaker 1: But personally, I think we're all a collection of reactions.

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Speaker 4: I think it nailed it.

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Speaker 3: I think if you're going to take an opinion that

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent, that's the best opinion to take.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I agree, Like, that's that's actually what I think too, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a feedback loop. We project our internal

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Speaker 3: conflicts onto the society. Society then takes those and brings

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Speaker 3: it back to us, and then it just.

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Speaker 4: Goes round and round and round.

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Speaker 3: And but more than anything, you have to give them

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Speaker 3: an incentive to come back right, right, Like if there's

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Speaker 3: no incentive, if you're just going to really kill them

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Speaker 3: and make fun of them, and that is fun, Like

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Speaker 3: I've done it.

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Speaker 4: Fine, whatever, anything in moderation, but like, fundamentally, when push

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Speaker 4: comes to shout, dude, yeah, you've got to give them

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Speaker 4: an incentive. Otherwise, what's their incentive Exactly?

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Speaker 3: I don't have the disrespected, the ripped of the dgity,

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Speaker 3: the ego is completely shredded.

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Speaker 4: There's no incentive for them to come back, and.

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Speaker 1: They want right And obviously that doesn't mean that if

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01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: somebody commits an act of violence. They shouldn't face consequences

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Speaker 1: for it. Of course they should, but that is a

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Speaker 1: separate thing from someone who just has fallen down a

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Speaker 1: rabbit hole and needs a little bit of help coming

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Speaker 1: out of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope you can turn some of that forgiveness

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Speaker 2: back on yourself, because you deserve it.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying. I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really important what you're doing. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: I do too. Do you have any like social media

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Speaker 1: you'd like to shout out or anything like that.

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01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess like I have Facebook.

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01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: Please don't contact me on Facebook, all right, but yeah,

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01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 3: I just find on Twitter. It's just at to talk today, Joe,

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Speaker 3: I have the glorious number of one hundred and sixty followers,

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Speaker 3: which I'm happy with you. By the way, if I

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Speaker 3: want to follow up, like one hundred and sixty people

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Speaker 3: want to listen to the clap, I have to say,

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Speaker 3: what wait?

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Speaker 1: Was I the one hundred and sixtieth actually growing? Could

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Speaker 1: you start for us?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It's at J I T A R T H

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Speaker 3: J A D E J perfect.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate you coming on

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Speaker 1: and thank you.

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Speaker 3: Guys too, like, thank you for talking about this is

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01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 3: this is really important stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, what a time. Okay, Megan, time for the question.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy. Okay, I'm gonna phrase it in a specific

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Speaker 1: way though. Okay, So would you join QAnon from the

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Speaker 1: lens of this sort of wellness anti vaxer all organic

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Speaker 1: food like jake and jelly perspective?

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Speaker 2: Fuck?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: However, I can very much see myself getting involved in

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Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory that I did a lot of research

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Speaker 2: on it came to believe was true. I haven't done

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 2: that yet, but mostly because I hate research.

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Speaker 1: What do you think would be the kind that would get.

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01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 2: You aliens right at the tip of my tongue. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think mostly everyone is starting to agree that aliens

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01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: are real. But you know, they could say like they're

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01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 2: living among us and the government's been hiding it from us,

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01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: and there's one in your basement, and I would be like,

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01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 2: that's true, that's absolutely true. And maybe aliens is a

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 2: bad example because they are so normalized now. But just

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: like I do, think our government lies about absolutely everything

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01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: it can. And I can see myself, you know, getting

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01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 2: stuck on an issue that maybe isn't as black as

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Speaker 2: and white as it seems.

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Speaker 1: Totally. I mean, yeah, there have been real government conspiracies.

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01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: And Jatarth made a great point when he's like how

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Speaker 1: it can be hard to tell the difference. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: but that's why we look for evidence. Yes, yes, that

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Speaker 1: old thing, and we trust. We look for trusted sources

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Speaker 1: who are not and some anonymous posters on the internet. Amen,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what if I was cue.

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Speaker 2: I would be so confused. I want to know who

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Speaker 2: it is so badly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's some strong hypotheses about who

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Speaker 1: it is and it's just like a like that a

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Speaker 1: chan guy or whatever, right or four chance? I can't

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Speaker 1: remember some Chan it's a chan guy, a chan man.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to know, like what what is

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: the motivation? Like do they believe it or they must

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01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: believe it? Right, yeah, they must believe it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well anyway, uh, I hope you all are like breathing

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Speaker 1: through this week and not not too overwhelmed. It is

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Speaker 1: an overwhelming time, but we are here for you.

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Speaker 2: We are here for you, and you just need to

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Speaker 2: remember to follow your gut, watch out for red flags,

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Speaker 2: and never ever trust me.

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