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Speaker 1: Yes, we pride ourselves on that you served as VP
Speaker 1: of player program and development for the Heat since nine.
Speaker 1: But I want to back up a little bit from
Speaker 1: your retired When you retired, that transition, What was that
Speaker 1: transition from I've been an athlete my entire career, it's over, now,
Speaker 1: what's next?
Speaker 4: How was that journey for you?
Speaker 5: It's it was a difficult journey because you know, the
Speaker 5: competitive juices were still flowing, you know, for all of us.
Speaker 5: I mean you guys uh shared that journey with me.
Speaker 5: And when it stops, you know, you got to find
Speaker 5: something that kind of supplement to kind of supplement that
Speaker 5: loss that competitiveness, that camaraderie. And at first, you know,
Speaker 5: outside of my business interests, yeah, my all my foundation
Speaker 5: stuff that kept me busy, you know, but nothing really
Speaker 5: kept feel that void of the competitiveness. Golf was the
Speaker 5: only thing I could think of at that particular time,
Speaker 5: you know, where it was it was an opportunity for
Speaker 5: me to compete against me and work on my mentor
Speaker 5: was more than just my body, you know, because I
Speaker 5: felt like I had perfected this this craft of basketball
Speaker 5: and done some amazing things at that level. So at
Speaker 5: the time golf and then I got the opportunity, I
Speaker 5: got the call from from Riles and sat down with
Speaker 5: Mickey and we talked about that transition into the front
Speaker 5: office and how I could help the organization from that perspective.
Speaker 1: Interesting, we're in a super player powerment era and obviously
Speaker 1: we came from you're a little bit older than us.
Speaker 1: We came from an era of was told to do
Speaker 1: we had to do it, and we did it and
Speaker 1: Upstawns we had to deal with all of it. There
Speaker 1: was no running, there was no jumping. It's a little
Speaker 1: different these days. And you know, what is you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like in the current kind of mentality of
Speaker 1: players when you came in the league to the mentality
Speaker 1: of players that are in the league now.
Speaker 5: It's changed tremendously. Yeah, And I think, and to be candid,
Speaker 5: you know, because of the amount of wealth that is
Speaker 5: generated playing basketball. You mentioned the word empowerment. You know,
Speaker 5: I think that from the perspective of players, it's kind
Speaker 5: of gone overboard because they feel so empowered, you know,
Speaker 5: they don't have to take instruction, you know, and it's
Speaker 5: unfortunate that it's come to that, but it's also a
Speaker 5: beautiful thing that our game has grown accordingly. In our credit.
Speaker 5: David Stern got rest his soul, you know, who was
Speaker 5: a dear friend of mine, you know, and I had
Speaker 5: a chance to pick his brain, you know when he
Speaker 5: was with us, uh and then now had them Silver
Speaker 5: and his staff. You know, they're doing a tremendous job,
Speaker 5: they really are. They've grown the game tremendously from a
Speaker 5: global perspective, and the players are the product. We're reaping
Speaker 5: the benefits, you know, and I know we all wish
Speaker 5: we could kind of turn back the hands, turn back
Speaker 5: the hands of time, you know, and benefit from the
Speaker 5: fruits of the labor that has put forth now, you know.
Speaker 5: And then we got this TV deal coming up, and
Speaker 5: from my understanding there's gonna be some competition with NBC
Speaker 5: and Team So, I mean, that's going to be more money,
Speaker 5: be worth the party price of the mission to watch that,
Speaker 5: you know. So the players are going to benefit greatly
Speaker 5: from it, truly.
Speaker 1: You spoke to the growth of the game and the
Speaker 1: vision of David Stern, and you know, as we currently speak,
Speaker 1: five straight years, foreign players want the MVPs and the knock.
Speaker 1: When you were coming in the game and when we
Speaker 1: were coming in the game, was European players were a
Speaker 1: little soft so they couldn't kind of fit into the
Speaker 1: physicality of our game. Skilled we couldn't fit into the
Speaker 1: physicality that game. And I think with the growth of
Speaker 1: the game, it's kind of grown more towards a European
Speaker 1: style of basketball, so.
Speaker 5: You know what, and the reason being is because the
Speaker 5: mentality is different over there. The culture speak to that
Speaker 5: is different rules too. Yeah, I mean they grew up
Speaker 5: a little hungrier, almost like we did when we were younger.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a certain hunger level. I was with
Speaker 5: David Stern. We were playing an exhibition game and when
Speaker 5: we had the Big Three here in Miami, and I
Speaker 5: was coming down with him and I coming down on
Speaker 5: the elevator, okay, and I just started working with the
Speaker 5: team recently and as vice president, and I said, David,
Speaker 5: I said, what is it about us coming over here
Speaker 5: to play? And from a business perspective, I had to
Speaker 5: think about it when he responded to me, but his
Speaker 5: direct response was all we need is three hundred million
Speaker 5: of them. And I thought about it when you think
Speaker 5: of the volume of eyes that are following the game
Speaker 5: of basketball over in China. I mean he got billions,
Speaker 5: a billion, over a billion, one two one point three
Speaker 5: billion people over there, and he said, oh, we needed
Speaker 5: three hundred million, which, which, for lack of a better word,
Speaker 5: trumps which trump's the.
Speaker 4: Amount of eyes that we have.
Speaker 5: You know, so when you think about the business perspective
Speaker 5: of it, you know, it's like, you know, the volume
Speaker 5: of eyes that are global. Really, you know, has has
Speaker 5: been a lot more uh beneficial for the league because
Speaker 5: from an international perspective, now we're sparking the interest of
Speaker 5: this young, hungry generation of Europeans and then the national players,
Speaker 5: whether it be Africans, you know, whether it be you know,
Speaker 5: you know, whether it be you know, Europeans and Serbians.
Speaker 5: And you think about when Miyama, you think about you know,
Speaker 5: Joel and Bib. I mean, the list goes on. Man.
Speaker 5: You know, you think about the Joker, you know, you
Speaker 5: think that was sparked by the seed Planet by David
Speaker 5: Stern back in nineteen ninety two when we implemented the
Speaker 5: Dream Team and it just spread like wildflife.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure he's happy and down.
Speaker 1: Obviously, the growth of the game sixth straight overseas MVPs.
Speaker 4: Do you see this kind of trend continuing to grow?
Speaker 1: Do you think American players will come back around and
Speaker 1: kind of meet the challenge.
Speaker 5: There is a reason why each team has a staff
Speaker 5: of three, four, five, even six folks that travel throughout
Speaker 5: the year outside of our country to identify table. There's
Speaker 5: a reason why each NBA team has an international scoutings.
Speaker 5: That's the reason for that, you know. And that's what
Speaker 5: we are. That's what the league is. And I don't
Speaker 5: see it going backwards at all, you know, I see
Speaker 5: it growing even more. I don't know the exact percentage,
Speaker 5: but you know, we're coming close to almost fifty percent.
Speaker 5: You know, you got to think of the amount of
Speaker 5: jobs in the league. Now, you only got four hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty jobs. Man, So you got millions of young
Speaker 5: people playing the game of basketball in the United States
Speaker 5: that are dreaming about playing in the NBA. But what
Speaker 5: gets in the way of this process of developing your
Speaker 5: game and doing all the things you need to do
Speaker 5: to take care of your body is the money, you know,
Speaker 5: and it starts with au basketball. You know, you basketball
Speaker 5: is tainted. I play a basketball difference much differ, much different.
Speaker 3: And now that's.
Speaker 5: Tainted by these industries, man, you know, giving these coaches money,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's not even about developed up in
Speaker 5: the players. It's not even about developing his fundamentals and
Speaker 5: the skills of the game. It's not about that anymore.
Speaker 5: When over there, that's all it's about. That's all it's about.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: And then mean, look at Luca Jesus christ Man. I mean,
Speaker 5: his skill level is all the charge is off the
Speaker 5: charge and it's not like that. You know, our young
Speaker 5: people here can't develop like that as well. But it's
Speaker 5: too much. It gets in the way of it, you know,
Speaker 5: it's too much gets in the way of that process,
Speaker 5: you know. And thank god, you know, I'm you know,
Speaker 5: I'm here to be. And my son's like I got
Speaker 5: a fourteen year old who's six or four weards aside
Speaker 5: sixteen shoe and he loves the game, and I'm going
Speaker 5: to make sure that he develops his skill level. But
Speaker 5: at this particular age, I'm going to make sure that,
Speaker 5: you know, but not every child has the benefit of
Speaker 5: having a Hall of Famer and their lives, you know,
Speaker 5: and certainly in their ear and what have you. You know,
Speaker 5: But the game has changed, and you know, it's a
Speaker 5: beautiful game, it really is. And I love the fact
Speaker 5: that we're generating a significant amount of income to take
Speaker 5: ah to have an opportunity to take care of generations
Speaker 5: of families. You know, I like that from that perspective,
Speaker 5: you know, but decide I don't like is you know
Speaker 5: how it gets in the way of the actual basketball development.
Speaker 5: Absolutely in the hunger part, it kind of gets in
Speaker 5: the way.
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about this with Dion last week
Speaker 1: or a couple of weeks ago we were in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Is just everything that's handed to these young kids in
Speaker 1: our country.
Speaker 5: And college players, right, I mean, these guys planning for
Speaker 5: four different schools in four.
Speaker 2: Years, right, that's it has to be regulated.
Speaker 4: Comes a time where you can't run though, yeah, there
Speaker 4: was nowhere to run. I didn't play. I got to
Speaker 4: sit here.
Speaker 1: You had to get better, you had to And for
Speaker 1: the same reason you spoke, you know, I got fifteen
Speaker 1: year old twin boys, same thing. That's why I coached
Speaker 1: them in a development We're not doing too many games.
Speaker 1: It's one of by development and understanding the game. But
Speaker 1: like I said, everyone is fortunate enough to have that
Speaker 1: experience in their ear, you know. And these parents are
Speaker 1: listening to whatever these shoe companies are saying. These other
Speaker 1: companies are prominent and dreams. That's a whole another story. Fortunate,
Speaker 1: it really is championship formula.
Speaker 2: You have front row seats to the Super Team era
Speaker 2: Lebron Wade Bosh. It seems like they might they era
Speaker 2: might be coming to an end. What do you think
Speaker 2: the formula is to building a championship team?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, you got to get guys to
Speaker 5: buy in and understanding exactly what they need to do
Speaker 5: collectively collectively. It ain't just one person, right, collectively, what
Speaker 5: do y'all need to do collectively in order to be
Speaker 5: successul You know you got to be on time, you know,
Speaker 5: you gotta There has to be a certain level of
Speaker 5: tenacity where everything is done together. You know. That means
Speaker 5: you know, everything from riding on the bus to the
Speaker 5: games together, you know, to showing up to you know,
Speaker 5: one of your teammate's daughter's birthday parties together, you know,
Speaker 5: conditioning together, doing I mean, all these little things. It
Speaker 5: might not it might seem very minute, but when it
Speaker 5: comes nut cutting time and you in the trenches and
Speaker 5: you rolle to look to your right and look to
Speaker 5: your left, you know your guys are there right because
Speaker 5: y'all been there consistently together, you know, flying on the plane,
Speaker 5: doing the tough times together, talking about it, watching film
Speaker 5: on the plane after a loss, you know, on to
Speaker 5: the next city. It's just a lot of different things,
Speaker 5: just doing stuff together. Then obviously you know, following which
Speaker 5: you know a lot of coaches get then they get
Speaker 5: a lot of they get a bad rap because their escapegoat.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. And I'm not going to
Speaker 5: start mentioning any names, you know, but you know it,
Speaker 5: players got to take some responsibility. Yeah, you know, there
Speaker 5: have to be some responsibility there. You know, it can't
Speaker 5: be just okay, let's get ready to coach. You know,
Speaker 5: it's the coach for and from a from a winning standpoint.
Speaker 5: You know, you got to be in it right from
Speaker 5: the start, everybody. And it can't be no hitting agendas.
Speaker 5: Everybody has to be in it together to do whatever
Speaker 5: it takes in order to win, as simple as that. Now,
Speaker 5: injuries all part of the game. It gets in the
Speaker 5: way sometimes, you know, but next man up mentality. You know,
Speaker 5: that's why everybody has to stay ready for them when
Speaker 5: their numbers call. You got to stay ready to come
Speaker 5: in and produce. And I complain that Hey, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not playing and you know that's that's what it
Speaker 5: comes down to. That era for us, Yeah, we had
Speaker 5: to be three, but we had an incredible supporting cast
Speaker 5: of guys that came in off this job, you know,
Speaker 5: and did their job and contributed. That's what That's what
Speaker 5: it came down to.
Speaker 3: The five man has evolved like crazy.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that joke and YOK and NB the way
Speaker 2: they play in their style. What are the three trades
Speaker 2: you need to be you need to have in the
Speaker 2: cyniphym to be successful.
Speaker 5: Uh, well, first of all, you know, the number one
Speaker 5: trade is this this era, right is you got to
Speaker 5: have a certain skill level now out on the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you got to be the handle the ball just a
Speaker 5: little bit too much, but just a little bit for
Speaker 5: hand aff Uh. You got to be in a knock
Speaker 5: knock down in mid range and maybe a three three
Speaker 5: pointer every now and then. You got to be able
Speaker 5: to have that skill. But you got to have a
Speaker 5: certain comfort level with handling the ball. And last, but
Speaker 5: not least, you got to be in the best shape
Speaker 5: of your life. Yeah, yeah, you do. I mean you
Speaker 5: got to be in the best shape of your life
Speaker 5: because you're running now, you got to be up on
Speaker 5: I mean it's a lot more movement now out on
Speaker 5: the perimeter, and you got to be in the best
Speaker 5: shape of your life.
Speaker 6: You do.
Speaker 2: Adam Silva, it seems like, you know, he's kind of
Speaker 2: going back to the he wants to go back to
Speaker 2: the more physical style. And as you see now with
Speaker 2: Minnesota having so much success going to the two big
Speaker 2: man style, the Big four and the Big five style,
Speaker 2: and they have says you think it's gonna get back
Speaker 2: to that eventually.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Jane. You I mean I would love
Speaker 5: for it too, lived in that area like that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that would be entertaining. Yeah, really would you know. I'm
Speaker 5: sure they're not gonna let it get out of hand
Speaker 5: to the point where it was like the next Heat series.
Speaker 5: They're not gonna let it get it to get to that, right,
Speaker 5: But I think they should allow some physicality because scoring
Speaker 5: is way too easy, man, way too easy. Jesus Christy.
Speaker 5: I mean you can hardly touch guys man. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think it'd be good for the game. Yeah, I do
Speaker 5: switch up a little bit. We want to talk about
Speaker 5: your upbringing. Can you share how you ended up in
Speaker 5: Foster care. You talked about Miss.
Speaker 2: Fanny three, Yeah, and the value she put it, she
Speaker 2: instilled in you, and she fostered forty nine children.
Speaker 3: That says a lot about her. Can you speak about it?
Speaker 5: Well, you know when you think about you know, broken homes,
Speaker 5: you know, I was a product of it. And there's
Speaker 5: so many children out there that could grow up being
Speaker 5: raised by their grandmother and what have you, the fathers, homes,
Speaker 5: things of that nature. You know, my mother and father,
Speaker 5: you know, they were married for eleven years and it
Speaker 5: didn't work out. It's as simple as that happens. We
Speaker 5: went to counseling and you know, I remember this clearly,
Speaker 5: you know how detailed everything was from that perspective, you know,
Speaker 5: you know, and I got there was some emotional barriers
Speaker 5: that we had to break down as a family, and
Speaker 5: I didn't handle it too well, you know, and I
Speaker 5: ended up staying under the care of the Social services
Speaker 5: for because my mom and dad had their own demons
Speaker 5: that they were dealing with, and the therapist told them that,
Speaker 5: you know, they needed an opportunity to get themselves straight
Speaker 5: before they started taking care of me. And so I
Speaker 5: had to stay in this group home for a little
Speaker 5: bit and a little bit turned into almost a year,
Speaker 5: so staying in the group home for years, still going
Speaker 5: through counseling sections. They asked me did I want to
Speaker 5: go home? I reached a point where I was frustrated.
Speaker 5: I didn't want to go and choose who I wanted
Speaker 5: to live with. At that particular time, I was twelve
Speaker 5: years old, man, you know. And finally, the way the
Speaker 5: system works is usually kids that are in the system,
Speaker 5: they identify families for you to visit and possibly live with,
Speaker 5: and foster families.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: So MS three is something that she had done a
Speaker 5: good portion of her life in taking in kids, and
Speaker 5: she took me in and immediately I could kind of
Speaker 5: feel the love and the deep concern and the caring
Speaker 5: and all of it. I could feel it in the household.
Speaker 5: You know. I didn't want to go, but it was
Speaker 5: a blessing for me, you know, because I didn't realize,
Speaker 5: you know, that everything that I needed was right there,
Speaker 5: not just in the household, but the schools that I
Speaker 5: went to at that particular time. My junior high school
Speaker 5: coach coach Lassay, he was more he was a father
Speaker 5: figure for me. My JV coach coach Spelman He was
Speaker 5: a father figure, very disciplinarian. You know, It's something that
Speaker 5: I needed at that particular time. And then my high
Speaker 5: school coach at that time was Bill Lasster. You know,
Speaker 5: he was a product of John B. Mcclennan, who worked
Speaker 5: alongside of James Maasmith, and he he was a defensive
Speaker 5: minded coach. My high school coach, Bill Lassiter, and all
Speaker 5: of the things that I needed at a particular time,
Speaker 5: man were right there for me. And I ended up
Speaker 5: being a number high school player in the country just
Speaker 5: based on the opportunity that I was given by Fanty three,
Speaker 5: you know. And she was a faith based woman, she
Speaker 5: very spiritual woman, faith based, a retired school teacher, and
Speaker 5: she was a giving woman. So she implemented all those
Speaker 5: things in me. And when I left the Nests, you know,
Speaker 5: I didn't look back. I would come back and visit
Speaker 5: her here and there. But you know, when I got
Speaker 5: to DC Man Georgetown, you know, Big John just was
Speaker 5: handed the baton and you know, you know how Big
Speaker 5: John was. You know, he ain't take no mess and
Speaker 5: he treated all of us like we were his sons.
Speaker 5: And you know, it was what I needed in that
Speaker 5: particular time in the Big CD. I had a lot
Speaker 5: of things, you know, coming at me, being a number
Speaker 5: high school player in the country, you know, and Big
Speaker 5: John kind of kept me on the straight and narrow
Speaker 5: and ended up graduating through the wishes of Fanny three,
Speaker 5: my foster mom, ended up graduating and getting my degree
Speaker 5: in Georgetown. I could have easily left early. I had
Speaker 5: an opportunity to do it, especially after my freshman year.
Speaker 3: I could have. You made a promise to her.
Speaker 5: I made a promise to her that I would get
Speaker 5: my degree. That was all she was concerned about. She
Speaker 5: wanted me to get my degree. Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: He was six five or thirteen years old, Feller levels
Speaker 2: hoop and watching Patrick Ewing. What role did Patrick you
Speaker 2: didn't play on your on basketball for you?
Speaker 5: I mean he played an incredible role because at that time,
Speaker 5: you know NCAA basketball, what's huge back then? Five slam
Speaker 5: in jama I mean, I mean, you David, you know Georgetown,
Speaker 5: back then Carolina? I mean, come on, man, it was everything.
Speaker 5: So as a kid, I was tuned in right so
Speaker 5: and back doing that championship game when they played Carolina
Speaker 5: and watching Patrick block all those shots. Man, I was
Speaker 5: enamored by that. I was like, I want to do that,
Speaker 5: and I kind of pattered my game after him. And
Speaker 5: you know, I loved the starter jackets and the gear
Speaker 5: and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Growing up.
Speaker 5: I was attracted to the joke with everything, everything that
Speaker 5: represented Georgetown, I was attracted to it. And the rest
Speaker 5: is history. You know. Patrick ended up being somewhat of
Speaker 5: a mentor to me. And I remember being in the
Speaker 5: Nike ABCD camp in Princeton, and I remember Sean Kemp,
Speaker 5: Billy Ones, I mean, the whole crop was there. I
Speaker 5: mean it was we were all on display in Princeton
Speaker 5: and Big John h called Patrick up. Patrick drove down
Speaker 5: from New York and uh he was sitting in the
Speaker 5: stands of Big John And as I was on the
Speaker 5: floor stretching, getting ready for the games, and I felt
Speaker 5: somebody tap me on the shoulder and it was it
Speaker 5: was Patrick. I was like, so I had to put
Speaker 5: it on the I had to put on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah man.
Speaker 5: So yeah, now we've developed this brotherly type of relationship
Speaker 5: you know, between uh myself, him and the kentbe you know,
Speaker 5: and uh, Big John instilled a lot in us, a
Speaker 5: whole lot of us over the years. God rest his
Speaker 5: soul because Big John played the center position and he
Speaker 5: played behind one of the greatest to ever do it
Speaker 5: in Bill Russell. So Big John instilled all of that
Speaker 5: all of that knowledge in us through throughout his tutelage
Speaker 5: of doing.
Speaker 2: During my years at Georgia, I got a short story
Speaker 2: about Big John. We was in Golden State together and
Speaker 2: I just came from the team and I I had
Speaker 2: a little trouble the two seasons before, but I had
Speaker 2: an interesting story and I was coming back playing well
Speaker 2: and John they wanted to do it. Jones working for
Speaker 2: T and T and they was doing to that Sunday
Speaker 2: special on Baron Davis. Well, he convinced them to do
Speaker 2: it on me and tell my story and had my
Speaker 2: mom come because it was a Mother's Day game. Wow,
Speaker 2: and he did a story on me and my mom
Speaker 2: for Mother's Day. But he forced T and T to
Speaker 2: do that, So that shows the character. Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: meant a lot to me because I needed at the
Speaker 2: time because I was getting so much bad press. He
Speaker 2: wanted to get me some good press on Mother's Day
Speaker 2: with my mama. So yeah, yeah, and my mama tell
Speaker 2: this story to him, she gets tear outed because she
Speaker 2: knew what I was going through at the time. So
Speaker 2: for me and her to do that on national TV,
Speaker 2: it was great. So I was at the Big John.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know when when John walked out of that game
Speaker 5: protesting Prop forty two, that was huge for all young
Speaker 5: black ADATs and it just defined the character of who
Speaker 5: Big John was all about. You know. He was about
Speaker 5: bringing up the next generation man and he knows he
Speaker 5: knew that if that was implemented, then that would have
Speaker 5: kept a lot of young people of color from getting
Speaker 5: quality education and experience in higher learning and getting an opportunity,
Speaker 5: you know. So that kind of speaks to the man
Speaker 5: that he was, you know, and he taught us accordingly,
Speaker 5: you know, based on those things. His gym was like
Speaker 5: his classroom. He received a lot of criticism because he
Speaker 5: closed his doors, he didn't allow any media, and because
Speaker 5: he wanted to teach us the way without a distraction,
Speaker 5: without being dissected or ridiculed. For his teaching tactics. They
Speaker 5: worked for us all turn out all right, you know,
Speaker 5: because of it. You know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 5: tough love too. It was a tough love type of teaching,
Speaker 5: type of coaching.
Speaker 1: What we needed though, what we need was love behind them,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's what can't be translated these days.
Speaker 1: Everything we're saying is coming from a place of love,
Speaker 1: but its just it's not translated the same.
Speaker 2: You know, individuals are trying to give it to No. No,
Speaker 2: you're right, You're definitely right about that. And then now.
Speaker 5: Players don't receive it quite like we received it back then.
Speaker 5: Like I said, you know, the word fragile is used
Speaker 5: quite a bit because unfortunately, it's hard to say the
Speaker 5: things that need to be said to people. It's hard
Speaker 5: to say those things that need to be said to
Speaker 5: these players, you know, because they take offense to it,
Speaker 5: and you know they're fragile from that perspective, you know,
Speaker 5: when ultimately it's about helping you improve your way of thinking.
Speaker 1: That it was.
Speaker 3: We're talking to.
Speaker 5: Improve your way of thinking, you know, so you can
Speaker 5: be successful. That's all it's about. That's all about. Let's
Speaker 5: move on to talk about another great man.
Speaker 2: I just came from a v A I coached had
Speaker 2: a Nobnson game every year his class, high school classic,
Speaker 2: and he had it in v A and we practiced
Speaker 2: at Boo Williams, and I saw your name on the wall,
Speaker 2: and so many people named this crazy facility to big
Speaker 2: old size. Yeah Joe Smith jacked Jackson, so many Joe
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He also spoke at Alanson Street, NAM
Speaker 2: and I got a chance to meet him for the
Speaker 2: first time. Why is he such a great person? I mean,
Speaker 2: I see all the people he touched, but but he's
Speaker 2: just a different person in the cities where he's from,
Speaker 2: like people really admire.
Speaker 5: When I think about Boo, you know, I think about
Speaker 5: first of all, he was another angel in my life
Speaker 5: and a father figure, and he really took me outside
Speaker 5: of my my environment and exposed me to the game
Speaker 5: of basketball at a totally different less to what could
Speaker 5: be exactly, which is why I got the national recognition
Speaker 5: in high school, is because Boo exposed me to talent
Speaker 5: across the country. He took me outside of my environment,
Speaker 5: you know, and he challenged me on so many different levels,
Speaker 5: you know, And that's what I loved about Boo. He
Speaker 5: challenged me. You know, he was telling me how great
Speaker 5: I could be. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 5: he challenged me consistently in order for me to be great.
Speaker 5: You know, I didn't know anything about five Star Camp
Speaker 5: until I met Boo Williams, you know, and five Star
Speaker 5: was a place to be. You know. It was where
Speaker 5: everybody went to compete against the best players across the country.
Speaker 5: And he threw me out there and I got humble,
Speaker 5: you know, but I got better, right, you know, I
Speaker 5: guess the better way I got. I got better because
Speaker 5: of Boo's initiative. And that's how he built that particular
Speaker 5: empire is because he took guys from the street and
Speaker 5: he took him out of this invisible fence, out of
Speaker 5: their neighborhoods. He took them out of that and he
Speaker 5: exposed them to you know, different places across the country.
Speaker 5: You know, Boo is the reason why I flew. I
Speaker 5: flew my first airplane, you know. Yeah, So you know,
Speaker 5: I thank God for Boo and what he what he
Speaker 5: did for me as a player, what he did for
Speaker 5: my career, what he did for me as a young man.
Speaker 3: And he has like fifty NBA players names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's two big old with three courts and
Speaker 2: all the bothy.
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: He's actually back coaching the seventeens this year too. He's
Speaker 1: coaching again.
Speaker 5: Good for him, Yeah, he was, Yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 3: How good was Sean Kemper high school man?
Speaker 5: Incredible to watch? Yeah, really incredible to watch because he
Speaker 5: was so athletic and uh he was.
Speaker 2: He was a sixteen Vince Carter. Yeah, he was great.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to explain it.
Speaker 5: The elevation, the hangtime, the explosion, all of that. He
Speaker 5: was this car. Yeah he really was.
Speaker 3: That's a great way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was thinking about Vincent six six Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: It was yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: He moved like a gard almost when he was in
Speaker 5: the air.
Speaker 4: Yeah he maybe that ship look sweet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the hang time, walking through the air, all of
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 2: I just connected with him last week. Yeah, we're talking
Speaker 2: on the phone now. See something is his number on
Speaker 2: through Instagram? Said he want to come on the show.
Speaker 2: He said watching that's great and he went back in
Speaker 2: the Canada space too. You should put him on the show.
Speaker 2: You should get Billy on the show. Ju Yeah.
Speaker 5: He is the first versato for six nine point four.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah he was yeah, yeah, yeah, most can handle it.
Speaker 5: Can rebound could fill up the statute.
Speaker 1: We touched obviously on John Thoms. So we're going to
Speaker 1: get a little bit more in depth. First time he
Speaker 1: met with you and your family, explain what that was
Speaker 1: like and just how you kind of knew.
Speaker 5: Well, the uniqueness about Big John was, you know, he
Speaker 5: always wanted to separate himself from the rest, and he
Speaker 5: did a good job of that because his number one
Speaker 5: priority was making sure that young black men graduated. You know,
Speaker 5: that wasn't a priority for a lot of coaches. It
Speaker 5: wasn't an emphasis for our coaches. It really wasn't, you know.
Speaker 5: And especially coming from there inner city, he knew how
Speaker 5: important that was to the families of these young black men.
Speaker 5: So Bob Wade, Bobby Krimins, Terry holland Jim Beheim, they
Speaker 5: all came to my house, not together, but one at
Speaker 5: a time, and they gave their pitch. Big John asked
Speaker 5: to be less. He sat in the living room. All
Speaker 5: the other coaches were like, Hey, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 5: give him this. He's going to get this. You know,
Speaker 5: if you all need to come down, we'll fly you down.
Speaker 5: And if y'all need a job, we'll make sure y'all
Speaker 5: have a job so y'all can be close to him.
Speaker 5: All these these things they were promising. Big John came in.
Speaker 5: He was very candid. He's a mystery. You know, thanks
Speaker 5: for having me here. Now I remember it clear. He
Speaker 5: looked in the face. He said, I'm not promising your
Speaker 5: son anything. I'm not going to give him anything. He's
Speaker 5: got to work for everything that he gets. Thee He's
Speaker 5: looking at her and telling her this, and I was like, this,
Speaker 5: my it's far different from what the other coaches said.
Speaker 5: And then finally Big John said, he said, I will
Speaker 5: promise you one thing, though, mystery. If he goes to class,
Speaker 5: he's gonna graduate. Some street looked at me, she was, well,
Speaker 5: we know where you're going to school straight up. I
Speaker 5: mean she was like because she was a huge advocate
Speaker 5: of education and being a retired school teacher whatever, you know.
Speaker 5: So you know I took that next step. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm annoyance to me. I didn't realize the challenges I
Speaker 5: was going to face. So you know, I did enough
Speaker 5: just to make sure I stayed on the team my
Speaker 5: freshman year and he called me to his office. You know,
Speaker 5: I had it good grades enough to stay on the team,
Speaker 5: so I was good. You know, he called me to
Speaker 5: the office and after the first semester and he said, look,
Speaker 5: he said, you can do better than this. And I
Speaker 5: was like, what do you mean I'm doing all right?
Speaker 5: I'm on the team. He's like, listen to me, son,
Speaker 5: he said, if you had to cure for cancer, you
Speaker 5: wouldn't even know it. This was his exact worst to me,
Speaker 5: And I said, well, I ain't trying to be a doctor. Coach.
Speaker 5: He said, listen to me, son, you can do better.
Speaker 5: He said, if you don't do better, you won't play.
Speaker 5: So that next semester I made the Dean's list. So
Speaker 5: all it took was him motivated me, you know, and
Speaker 5: years later I look back on that fast forward. I've
Speaker 5: served sixty years on the executive board at George Shann University,
Speaker 5: and never in my wildest dreams as a freshman at
Speaker 5: Georgetown what I thought I would be what I've served
Speaker 5: as one of the board of trustees at George Shann University.
Speaker 5: But all of that was because of Big John's motivation.
Speaker 5: For sure.
Speaker 4: Obviously taught you a lot of things, and you spoke
Speaker 4: to some of them.
Speaker 1: One thing I found interesting and it paid off for
Speaker 1: you once you got in the league with the contracts
Speaker 1: of negotiating for yourself was something that he spoke about
Speaker 1: and was instrumental about and advocating for you, guys, to
Speaker 1: be negotiating for yourself and then also how to show
Speaker 1: gratitude to someone who's made an impact in your life.
Speaker 4: Can you speak to both those?
Speaker 5: Well, you know what he he always told us he
Speaker 5: had this deflated basketball on his desk, and the basketball
Speaker 5: always represented the message that he would always tell us,
Speaker 5: you know, basically, don't let the game use you. You
Speaker 5: use the game, you know, don't let you know, there's
Speaker 5: sum total of seven to nine pounds of air be
Speaker 5: your only existence, you know, because when the ball stops
Speaker 5: balance bouncing, what are you going to do? Yeah, what
Speaker 5: are you going to do? You know, So that deflated
Speaker 5: basketball is there was always there to remind us of
Speaker 5: that from that perspective, you know. So so learning doing
Speaker 5: the things you needed to do to take responsibility for
Speaker 5: your business was extremely important. You know, knowing that, hey,
Speaker 5: your business manager, you got to you gotta audit people
Speaker 5: that's taking care of your money. You know, you got
Speaker 5: to be in those negoti ciation meetings. You got to
Speaker 5: be in those meetings negotiating, listening to what's going on
Speaker 5: so that you can make intelligent decisions. You know, people
Speaker 5: tend to look at you differently. You know when you
Speaker 5: show interest in what's going on with your business, they
Speaker 5: have a different instead of you not being there and
Speaker 5: relying on somebody else to do it for you. So
Speaker 5: he emphasized that tremendously, you know, outside all of that,
Speaker 5: you know, to give it back. Part his life embodied that,
Speaker 5: so it automatically had an influence on us. So when
Speaker 5: I think about my high school coach, when I think
Speaker 5: about Family three, when I think about my teachers, you know,
Speaker 5: I think about Bei John. When you know, when I
Speaker 5: think about all these people that contribute to my well
Speaker 5: being as a person as well as an athlete, I
Speaker 5: would be doing them a disservice if I didn't pay
Speaker 5: it for because you know, they helped me get to
Speaker 5: where I am. You know, I wouldn't be here without
Speaker 5: other people's contribute. We wouldn't be sitting here today in
Speaker 5: front of these mics without other people's contributions, you know.
Speaker 5: So we have when you have an opportunity to pay
Speaker 5: it for, you do it because somebody helped you get
Speaker 5: here from that perspective, you know, which is why we
Speaker 5: just celebrated twenty years for our foundation, Morning Family Foundation,
Speaker 5: which we have provided educational opportunities for children and families
Speaker 5: in there in the city. You know, the cost of
Speaker 5: living here in South Florida since I got here in
Speaker 5: ninety five has gone up close to fifty percent. And
Speaker 5: it's hard for a lot of the natives to eat
Speaker 5: to live here anymore because it's so expensive to live
Speaker 5: here now. And when people come here, they go east
Speaker 5: of ninety five, they go towards the water, they go
Speaker 5: towards the ocean. It's beautiful here. They don't go west
Speaker 5: where there's about a million people that live below the
Speaker 5: poverty level. And there's a lot of people that know
Speaker 5: that don't know that part of Miami. And when you
Speaker 5: think about a quarter of the population here that live
Speaker 5: below the poverty level, you know, a byproduct of that is,
Speaker 5: you know, high school dropouts, teenage pregnancy, drug abuse, criminally
Speaker 5: related activities. The list goes on. So what I know
Speaker 5: works is making sure that relationships are established and through
Speaker 5: those relationships, through our foundation, you know, we have built
Speaker 5: through the through the help of other individuals, we build
Speaker 5: a fifty six styles on square feet facility literally about
Speaker 5: a two minute drive from here, that has gymnasium, fourteen classrooms,
Speaker 5: charter school, in school, after school, summer programming, dance studio,
Speaker 5: music studio, two technology centers in there a health and
Speaker 5: wellness component as well, mental health and wellness component, all
Speaker 5: free of charge for this inner city community, this historic
Speaker 5: community called Overtown. I've been doing this for twenty years now,
Speaker 5: and we just celebrated our twentieth anniversary in our grand
Speaker 5: opening of the building. It was a twenty million dollar project,
Speaker 5: which we raised all the money through local businesses and
Speaker 5: corporations and private donors. Well, we graduated one hundred percent
Speaker 5: of our kids from high school. We bring them in
Speaker 5: at age five, We followed them to age twenty five,
Speaker 5: and close to ninety percent of our kids go to
Speaker 5: college and graduate. Now we have about eight of our
Speaker 5: employees and staff that have gone through the program, graduated,
Speaker 5: and now they're working for us. You know. So this
Speaker 5: is something I want to replicate, not just across South Florida,
Speaker 5: but across the country, you know, because there's so many
Speaker 5: inner cities across the country that don't that don't have
Speaker 5: a place, kids don't have a place of refuge. You know.
Speaker 5: I was I spent some time with President Obama and
Speaker 5: we were golfing, and I remember him telling me in
Speaker 5: the golf car. One day we were talking about working
Speaker 5: in the city and he was talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: some of the obstacles that they face in Chicago and
Speaker 5: things of that nature, and he said, the problem with
Speaker 5: our young people across the country is that they don't
Speaker 5: have anywhere to go and they don't have the right
Speaker 5: people holding them accountable for their act. So we've created that.
Speaker 5: We've created that with the help of an organization in Portland,
Speaker 5: Oregon called SEI Self Enhancement Incorporated. They've been around for
Speaker 5: forty plus years. They've been receiving grants, huge grants from
Speaker 5: phild Knight Nike, and we I adopted that model through
Speaker 5: my good friend Tony Hobson, who is the founder, and
Speaker 5: we implemented it here and the rest is history, you know.
Speaker 5: So that has been my life's work. I've been in
Speaker 5: talks with your Donas Haslam to replicate it in his
Speaker 5: and his home borough of Liberty City as well, you know.
Speaker 5: And there's so many other areas that needed as well,
Speaker 5: you know. But I'm a strong believer that kids have
Speaker 5: the ability, many of them just don't have the resources. Okay,
Speaker 5: So you can create the resources and you can surround
Speaker 5: them with strong, consistent, caring voices of influences consistent. It
Speaker 5: has to be consistent. If you can surround them that,
Speaker 5: then you can develop a mentality to help them understand
Speaker 5: exactly their full potential and what they're capable of doing
Speaker 5: with their lives.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Other than that, You know a lot of these kids
Speaker 5: fall victim to the streets.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's as simple as that. They fall
Speaker 5: victim to the streets. What they see is pretty much
Speaker 5: what they'll be.
Speaker 4: Right, you know, that's what they look up to, what
Speaker 4: they see. First of all, congratulations on that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the depth of it, obviously, I knew
Speaker 1: it was Sean, But the depth and celebrating twenty years
Speaker 1: that is beautiful.
Speaker 4: Back to hooping.
Speaker 1: You jump on the scene as a freshman average five
Speaker 1: blocks a game at Georgetown, Ma Tumbo becomes a teammate
Speaker 1: two incredible shot blockers. We heard a story about Matumble
Speaker 1: trying to pick up girls at the Georgetown bar. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us anything about that?
Speaker 5: Hey, listen, man, listen. We all had a good time college. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the ki had an even batter time. He took advantage
Speaker 5: of those moments when we had parties to go to
Speaker 5: because he was the one that was heads above everybody else,
Speaker 5: so all the eyes is on him. He took advantage
Speaker 5: of it. But we had a lot of We had
Speaker 5: a lot of fun. We had some memorable moments. Probably
Speaker 5: one of the most memorable moments that I had with him,
Speaker 5: we were we were dormates, and his feet hung off
Speaker 5: the bed in the dorm and everything because he's about
Speaker 5: yeah seven two. But anyway, one day he uh, he
Speaker 5: was in the kitchen cooking and he ran out of
Speaker 5: he uh he ran out of flour and he was
Speaker 5: trying to make some chickens, so he used some corn
Speaker 5: bread mix. Man, he had the whole apartment small game.
Speaker 5: He had fire department had come and smoke coming all
Speaker 5: out of the he in there chicken and chicken had
Speaker 5: bird on the outside. Yeah, it was wrang inside. It
Speaker 5: was like I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cornmeal bro not corn bread. Cornmeal bro not corn bread.
Speaker 1: We spoke to when you came obviously how big the
Speaker 1: n Cuba was back then. You guys ran into a
Speaker 1: jugging out of a college team in un LB in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. Speak to that team, one of the
Speaker 1: arguably one of the greatest college teams of all time
Speaker 1: by far.
Speaker 5: I mean they were well built and dark, well coached,
Speaker 5: you know, coach Tarkanian. You know, you had LJ and
Speaker 5: Stacey Augman, you know, and you know they had a
Speaker 5: line up and then they had a bench as well,
Speaker 5: you know may Lee maybe. Yeah, they were all so
Speaker 5: we had young guards and they were overwhelmed, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's hard. It was hard for them with the
Speaker 5: pressure that Greg Anthony was putting on them, Anderson Hunt
Speaker 5: Anderson Hunt, it was it was hard for them to
Speaker 5: even get us the ball like we wanted, you know. So, Uh,
Speaker 5: They're definitely a team for the ages. When you think
Speaker 5: of n C double A dominant n C double A teams,
Speaker 5: they were definitely a team for the ages.
Speaker 3: That was the guard away, That was one silid guard
Speaker 3: away from then.
Speaker 5: That was it. Yeah, we were away, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right away from me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was definitely. Yeah. We lost to them in Arizona.
Speaker 5: We played that game in Arizona, Big Game.
Speaker 2: Draft number two overall the nineteen ninety two draft to
Speaker 2: the Charlotte Hornets, one pick after Shack and one pick
Speaker 2: for late speaking.
Speaker 5: The shock we were yesterday when Beyama uh one unanimously. Okay,
Speaker 5: so Ernie, and they announced it and they let Shaq
Speaker 5: read the envelope and uh, Ernie was talking about all
Speaker 5: the players that had won Rookie of the yearn unanimously,
Speaker 5: and Shaq was like, I didn't want to unanice me
Speaker 5: and Erniet said no, no. A guy named Alones in
Speaker 5: morning got two votes. So I'm watching and he's like,
Speaker 5: damn you Alanes one morning, so I texted him. I said, Shaq,
Speaker 5: I still love you, man. Let me enjoy my two.
Speaker 5: He called me right after they went to commercial and
Speaker 5: they were all laughing on that. Let you get. Don't
Speaker 5: steal my joy, man. I'll tell you all the time.
Speaker 2: When out my twenty ten and Charlotte, everybody knew I
Speaker 2: didn't have a chance to win the MVP, but I
Speaker 2: got a vote.
Speaker 4: Let me enjoy my vote ten. There was one vote
Speaker 4: somebody to vote that year.
Speaker 5: I know, somebody always tell I always tell the big fella.
Speaker 5: I said, look, I had numbers Rookie season two. I
Speaker 5: had crazy that Cason, and just like you, I had numbers.
Speaker 5: And I said, and it should have been Cold Rookie
Speaker 5: of the Year because I always tell him. Orlando didn't
Speaker 5: make it to the playoffs. We did Charlotte, Charlotte. When
Speaker 5: we went to the playoffs the first time, I said, so,
Speaker 5: y'all didn't make it. I led my team to the
Speaker 5: place away that should have held a little bit away,
Speaker 5: but they gave it to him outright.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you average twenty ten right at the gate?
Speaker 5: Yo, I was twenty one ten and three blocks.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah at the gate yeah yeah, yeah. Well
Speaker 3: that year. What do you think was your welcome to
Speaker 3: the NBA moment.
Speaker 4: M J.
Speaker 5: We just gonna say we're gonna starting initials. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was when he dumped on me. He dumped on me, screamed,
Speaker 5: he flexed and scream I was like, man, a bunch
Speaker 5: of shots, you know. He came on. It was like,
Speaker 5: I mean, the roar after he dunked on me, man,
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay.
Speaker 4: At home or in Chicago.
Speaker 5: I was at home. He got to good Yeah yeah, no, no,
Speaker 5: I'm blaming Kendall Guild for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Gill was always talking talking ship to Mike, and I'm like, Mike,
Speaker 5: I'm like you, he's gonna blow past you. He coming
Speaker 5: at me, Yeah, at me?
Speaker 6: He co me.
Speaker 3: What's flex Chapman on that team. Uh uh, because I
Speaker 3: remember I remember.
Speaker 5: When Rix was on that TV he got traded on
Speaker 5: the team.
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember the movie talking about was when
Speaker 2: Jordan's in and out of him and got by him
Speaker 2: and that's when he Yeah, yeah, I remember the move.
Speaker 2: I remember the move that was Rexy in and out.
Speaker 2: You had the highest attendance in the Jersey sales that year.
Speaker 2: You have j Muggs and Kender Gilt.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: How electric was that at the time.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you what, man, that was a fun
Speaker 5: team to play with. It really was. It was exciting.
Speaker 5: Muggs is the best. Have you had Muggs on the show?
Speaker 5: Of course, my guy, Mugs is the best man. He
Speaker 5: really is, you know. And when you think about the
Speaker 5: charisma that LJ had with the gold tooth and wearing
Speaker 5: the dresses Grandmama and all that stuff. Then you think
Speaker 5: about Mugs being the smallest player in the league and
Speaker 5: young people relating to Muggsy, you know. And then you
Speaker 5: had me the new kid on the block, you know.
Speaker 5: It was it was a matchmate in heaven man. And
Speaker 5: then we had the fly Till Jerseys. Then we had
Speaker 5: to start the Jackets. Charlotte the Purple and the Teal Jackets.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So you think about that time, man,
Speaker 5: it was like it was perfect timing for us, and
Speaker 5: you know we kind of the immediately developed the respect
Speaker 5: of the league, you know, because we came in running
Speaker 5: people off the court. We had this passing game type offense,
Speaker 5: you know, where the ball was moving, moving, moving, and
Speaker 5: we got it out quick and Mugs is pushing in.
Speaker 5: Muggs like, don't let me beat you down the court.
Speaker 5: So we were flying and he was distributing.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: So it was fun. It was a fun game, it
Speaker 5: really was, you know. And then for us to beat
Speaker 5: Boston in the first round, that was huge for the
Speaker 5: city we had. Like you said, we had the as
Speaker 5: attendance in Carolina. I mean that's a basketball state, you know.
Speaker 5: So the following was we couldn't go to we were
Speaker 5: rock stars in Charlotte. We didn't pay for any meals
Speaker 5: everywhere we went. It was it was, it was fun.
Speaker 1: It really was speak to I think someone who gets
Speaker 1: looked over as LJ had a lot of game. And
Speaker 1: obviously you guys have your battles in college and the pros,
Speaker 1: but teammates at one point too. Speak to lj's versatility
Speaker 1: and what this game was.
Speaker 5: Like for he was six six sixty seven. He was
Speaker 5: similar to a Charles Barkley, you know, but probably a
Speaker 5: little bit more athletic. Uh, very skilled, great hands around
Speaker 5: the basket. Unfortunately the injury kind of derailed his career.
Speaker 5: But if he would have never gotten the back injury,
Speaker 5: you know, who knowstball. He was high basketball asking LIKEQ
Speaker 5: was high. Have you had him on the show?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Today to give you to get him in the show, man,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 5: Just you gotta think he came doing an era. A
Speaker 5: lot of people don't realize he wanted the dunk contest.
Speaker 5: Yeah that yeah, yeah, man, he wanted dunk guys. Man.
Speaker 5: He was extremely athletic, you know, sixty Yeah. He was
Speaker 5: a load on that block, Yeah he was. He was
Speaker 5: a load on that block, man. So him and not
Speaker 5: complimenting each other extremely well.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, he's alute.
Speaker 1: So you know, getting traded one day before the season
Speaker 1: in ninety five, what was your first interaction like with
Speaker 1: Roles because.
Speaker 4: He just got there right before you, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: First of all, leading up to that, I had a
Speaker 5: conversation with Pat you and I said, yo, man, I said, look,
Speaker 5: I got a chance. I got a chance to come
Speaker 5: to New York and play with you. I got a
Speaker 5: chance to go to LA. I got a chance to go.
Speaker 5: I think it was it was Indiana and then Miami
Speaker 5: and Pat was like, go to Miami. And I was
Speaker 5: like what I said, dude, we got a chance to
Speaker 5: play together. Man, we can play together in New York.
Speaker 5: Win a championship. He's like, no, go to Miami. Le
Speaker 5: Row's build a team around. I said, well, what about
Speaker 5: his practices? He said? He said, dude, you went to Georgia.
Speaker 5: He said, you can have it so under Pat Ewan's
Speaker 5: bless us. Wow, I went, I went to Miami. That's
Speaker 5: how that all happened. That's how that all happened. A
Speaker 5: lot of people don't know that.
Speaker 4: So that's ninety five. So Shaq was in LA. You
Speaker 4: would have been the first singer to go to that life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would have been.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I had a chance. Yeah, I had a chance. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like it was four different teams.
Speaker 4: So what happened to Charlotte just ran out of money
Speaker 4: or didn't have the money.
Speaker 5: We had an owner that wasn't willing to make the investment.
Speaker 5: You know, he wasn't willing to make the investment, and
Speaker 5: for lack of better words, you know, he basically said,
Speaker 5: I wasn't worth the money I was asking, you know,
Speaker 5: So you know, we left. David Foulk was my agent
Speaker 5: at the time, you know, and he suggested, he said, look,
Speaker 5: I'm going to get you this number and these are
Speaker 5: the several teams that I could get it from if
Speaker 5: you choose where you want to go.
Speaker 4: And the number was one hundred.
Speaker 5: It was one O five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one O five for seven so South Beach, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he said.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah, the best thing ever happened to me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and came down here. I've seen this place change tremendously.
Speaker 5: Been a blessing to experience this culture and develop some
Speaker 5: amazing relationships, but more importantly, to be a part of
Speaker 5: an organization. I'm very proud to be a part of
Speaker 5: an organization led by Garrison family, Mickey, Malan, Harrison and
Speaker 5: Nick And you know, first class people.
Speaker 3: You can, we can. I can tell them nonside looking
Speaker 3: in it since.
Speaker 5: You they appreciate you, first class, They appreciate you. I mean,
Speaker 5: they are first class people. You know, there's a family.
Speaker 5: When they don't take that that word lightly. There's a
Speaker 5: family atmosphere for sure, and the culture was developed, you
Speaker 5: know when they bought Pat Riley here. You know, when
Speaker 5: they bought Pat here. You know, Pat told me his dream.
Speaker 5: We practiced at this old fitness center. We didn't even
Speaker 5: have a practice facility or anything it was. And then
Speaker 5: the outer bounds of the fitness center was a wall,
Speaker 5: so Pat passed practices in there. We were running into
Speaker 5: the wall. Part of the wall didn't have pad on it.
Speaker 5: It was no joke, I mean. And some intense practices
Speaker 5: on that little court. And then one day after practice,
Speaker 5: all the guys had left, Pat coach and I sat
Speaker 5: on the floor and we talked for two hours. And
Speaker 5: that right then I knew exactly what he wanted. You know,
Speaker 5: he said, I have a dream of a parade going
Speaker 5: down bisc Game Boulevard. And he said that I brought
Speaker 5: you here to help us get help us get there.
Speaker 5: We started the process and you know, he made trays
Speaker 5: and he got players here. You know, he started developing
Speaker 5: this mentality of hardest working, most professional, toughest, mean, it's
Speaker 5: nastiest team in the NBA, most disliked. He started developing that,
Speaker 5: you know, and he imp He implemented that in all
Speaker 5: the players that he bought here. And you know, if
Speaker 5: he didn't want any parts of it, you know, he
Speaker 5: got ready. It's as simple as that, you know. But
Speaker 5: you came here to be a part of that mentality.
Speaker 5: And muh fortunate enough, you know, through trades and players
Speaker 5: being attracted to the two you know, coach Riley and
Speaker 5: the city and you know, our organization. You know, we
Speaker 5: were able to get three championships out of this. You know,
Speaker 5: we drafted d Wade. Some amazing things happened obviously, you know,
Speaker 5: with Tim Hardaway and myself. You know, we kind of started.
Speaker 4: Don't want to talk about that duo because that was
Speaker 4: one of the nastiest in.
Speaker 5: The night we started. The momentum, man, that minum was huge,
Speaker 5: you know, and we were fun to watch, you know.
Speaker 5: You know, we came up shorter a lot of times,
Speaker 5: but we were fun to watch. You know. We had
Speaker 5: the franchise record for games one. It was sixty one games,
Speaker 5: you know, and and then along came d Wade, and
Speaker 5: you know, and then Shot came in here and we
Speaker 5: won our first championship in two thousand and six, you know,
Speaker 5: which was an incredible ride. It really was an incredible ride.
Speaker 5: We got that parade down Biscame Boulevard and then we
Speaker 5: bought the Big three here man, you know, so you
Speaker 5: know we're trying to get back there again.
Speaker 1: Big out incredible d Wade was in that Dallas series
Speaker 1: because I kind of feel like that's when he put
Speaker 1: his mark credible game.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you what to average. I think he
Speaker 5: averaged like thirty four thirty five a game against that
Speaker 5: team in the finals. Man, we just put a saddle
Speaker 5: on man and we rode him. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: because he had it going. He had the utmost confidence
Speaker 5: the waded that particular time, and he walked on the
Speaker 5: court like like nobody can stop me from doing what
Speaker 5: I want to do. You know. Roles put together an
Speaker 5: incredible support and cash with Antoine, you know, j Will
Speaker 5: posey Ud held his weight in you know, on the
Speaker 5: boards and everything in Shaq and myself GP. I mean,
Speaker 5: we we got it done, you know, but it took
Speaker 5: a lot of sweating, man, it really did. You know.
Speaker 5: We went down oh two, and and then when Mark
Speaker 5: Cuban got on David Letterman or one of those shows
Speaker 5: and started talking about he had a parade playing and everything,
Speaker 5: you know, and that kind of little fire under us,
Speaker 5: and then we came back and won four games in
Speaker 5: a row, you know, you know, And and I remember
Speaker 5: Role telling us clearly, you know, the hardest thing that
Speaker 5: we're ever doing our lives is won the championship. And
Speaker 5: he said, you never know you're gonna win one until
Speaker 5: it happens. He said, you know, you can look great
Speaker 5: on paper, and you can have all the you know,
Speaker 5: the personnel in place, you know, but you never know
Speaker 5: you're gonna win one until it actually until it actually happens,
Speaker 5: you know, you know. So that was probably one of
Speaker 5: the greatest basketball moments in my life. Out of all
Speaker 5: the things that I experienced on the hard floor, that's
Speaker 5: one of the greatest basketball moments.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 1: I want to back up a little bit real quick.
Speaker 1: You guys playing the Knicks in the playoffs. Yeah, four
Speaker 1: years in a row, right, And obviously that there during
Speaker 1: that ninety eight series, you and LJ getting that fight
Speaker 1: where Ben Gundy's jumping on people. I think it goes
Speaker 1: to pay right here, these jumping on people's legs. But
Speaker 1: how competitive was because a lot of people don't know
Speaker 1: that arousers in a lawsuit against the Knicks.
Speaker 4: It comes to you, guys.
Speaker 1: You see, those games are going to be very personal,
Speaker 1: and you guys run into them four straight years in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and have your battles. But what do you
Speaker 1: remember most about that rivalry and those series versus the next.
Speaker 5: The level of intensity you knows as competitors. As competitors,
Speaker 5: it's not right as competitors. You know, once you get
Speaker 5: once the lather gets going, you start competing against your opponent.
Speaker 5: You know, the intensity level gets to the point where
Speaker 5: you know, you're in my way. Yeah yeah, yeah, let
Speaker 5: me take you back. Yeah, you're in my way from
Speaker 5: from what's getting done when we need to get done,
Speaker 5: you know, So what I need to do to get
Speaker 5: you out of my way?
Speaker 3: Whatever?
Speaker 5: Yeah, go through you. Yeah yeah, that's it. It's the
Speaker 5: mentality that we had. And you know what Rowles he
Speaker 5: did develop. He developed that mentality in both of those teams. Yeah,
Speaker 5: no question he did. So those were his brainchilds, both teams,
Speaker 5: and then we were both at each other.
Speaker 4: You know, Sony was an assistance.
Speaker 3: To rise, right, insistant to rise.
Speaker 5: You know, So that mentality was developed, it was deep rooted,
Speaker 5: and we knew we knew each other's plays. We knew everything.
Speaker 5: That that's why the scores were so low, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean score ended up being you know a lot
Speaker 5: of games eighty two, eighty five that was a score,
Speaker 5: you know, because we knew each other's plays. You know,
Speaker 5: defense was knockdown, drag out, you know, possessions hard for
Speaker 5: you know, that's when you used to be able to
Speaker 5: touch people back then you can't touch nobody more than yeah,
Speaker 5: like this, just man. Well another rivalry that was like
Speaker 5: that was you gotta throw the l A l A
Speaker 5: Detroit l A Boston, Boston, Detroit, Okay, and then you
Speaker 5: gotta throw the shop Chicago Detroit seriously, Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 5: gotta you gotta throw Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta do
Speaker 5: Also Indiana Chicago series. That was intense.
Speaker 3: Man, we skip more question than I wanted to ask him.
Speaker 3: I got a bone to pick with him. Man, you
Speaker 3: never got that invite. I got never got that invite
Speaker 3: to that zol some of group.
Speaker 5: Can we can we can we bring it back? Part
Speaker 5: of bring it back to you man, that was a
Speaker 5: huge production.
Speaker 4: How many years? For sixteen years we heard about it
Speaker 4: on the West coast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we used to people used to come from all
Speaker 5: over the country. I created a festive atmosphere fundraising okay,
Speaker 5: where we had All Star basketball game, uh, a dinner,
Speaker 5: black Tied dinner, a comedy show, concert and comedy show,
Speaker 5: a family health and wellness day, and a golf tournament.
Speaker 5: I did five a lot, So one of those alone
Speaker 5: is tough. Yeah. I did all of them, and I
Speaker 5: had a huge production team, and we did year round
Speaker 5: planning for that, and it got to the point where
Speaker 5: it was like the production was like All Star weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and people would come from all over because we had
Speaker 5: after parties every night. That's what people would come in
Speaker 5: town for the after parties as well, So I had
Speaker 5: different celebrity DJs, DJing and the after parties.
Speaker 6: So it was it was dope. Used to hear about it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: But more importantly, we raised We raised millions of dollars
Speaker 6: for our inner city initiatives and providing educational opportunities for
Speaker 6: children and families, and that's what kind of catapulted the
Speaker 6: foundation even more and built this momentum behind the work
Speaker 6: we were doing in the inner city and helping kids
Speaker 6: go to college and graduating things of that nature. So
Speaker 6: it was a blessing to do that. It really was.
Speaker 5: But it's a lot of work, man. I could not
Speaker 5: do that. I could not do it a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: sixteen years. We did it long. It was a lot
Speaker 5: of fun, a lot of fun, and you know what,
Speaker 5: what what helped it was a lot of corporations. A
Speaker 5: lot of corporations kind of sawt up the volume of
Speaker 5: people that were coming from all over. So we got
Speaker 5: sponsorships from so many different people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, revenue for the city.
Speaker 1: Something we've been very pro on our show about and
Speaker 1: during our careers is just, you know, the painkillers and
Speaker 1: opioids that were pumped into professional athletes.
Speaker 4: We're very pro.
Speaker 1: Cannabis toward all was something that was used and what
Speaker 1: were some of the other name celebrates, all these different things.
Speaker 1: So you obviously had kidney issues and would you say
Speaker 1: some of that was due to the medicine you were
Speaker 1: taking to be on that court by far?
Speaker 5: I think, first of all, it's my fault because I
Speaker 5: chose to put it in my body. Uh, it was
Speaker 5: introduced to me. The painkillers were introduced to me by
Speaker 5: team trainers, and I used them to I used them
Speaker 5: to you know, to play.
Speaker 4: You were talking about you were talked back at Georgetown
Speaker 4: to play through stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, I used him to play.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: I needed to. I wanted to get out there and
Speaker 5: play and compete. You know, I had you know, I
Speaker 5: had my my fair share of injuries. You know, I
Speaker 5: had five knee surgeries, you know, three on this knee,
Speaker 5: two on this knee, and then I had other injuries
Speaker 5: here and there, you know, and they're part of the game.
Speaker 5: It was a physical game back then, and between the
Speaker 5: ice baths, it wasn't enough between between the you know,
Speaker 5: between the Ebstince Sauce's bass, it wasn't enough. You know,
Speaker 5: I had to talk. I had to pop up Voltarian
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So you said it's your fault, but it's my fault, okay,
Speaker 2: But did they give you options? So so it's hard
Speaker 2: for me to accept that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: when they didn't give us options. They only gave us
Speaker 2: one option, So was it our fault?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, I'm a grown man, No, not
Speaker 5: get the Yeah, so somebody offer you some crack, Okay,
Speaker 5: then it's up to you whether or not you're gonna
Speaker 5: take it or not.
Speaker 2: Right that different you dealing with the people that y'all
Speaker 2: have the same common goal to reaching the championship.
Speaker 4: You don't see that they're gonna give you something. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying that hurt you long term,
Speaker 4: like with win it's together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well you know what.
Speaker 5: That's why it's important to educate young people.
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, exactly, that's my point.
Speaker 5: On alternative ways of healing the body. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna blame nobody else but myself, you know, but
Speaker 5: I do know that it did have enough had an
Speaker 5: effect on my kidney function, you know, because I don't
Speaker 5: think I was abusing them. I just think that I
Speaker 5: just took a lot of them, you know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: not like I was just living off them, because during
Speaker 5: the off season, I just stopped taking them because I
Speaker 5: didn't need them there during the season. Yeah, I will
Speaker 5: pop want to get through it because my achilles was sore,
Speaker 5: or I had ten to night it's real bad, or
Speaker 5: my back was hurting that day, or you know something
Speaker 5: I needed. I need to get out there and play
Speaker 5: that game though. You know. So now, yoga, your diet,
Speaker 5: anti inflammatory foods, all of that stuff. Educating yourselves on
Speaker 5: those particular things, which is what I do. You know,
Speaker 5: I primarily eat plant based. I got a plant based
Speaker 5: chef at the house right now, Okay, So I primarily
Speaker 5: eat plant based. Occasionally I eat fish. I eat no
Speaker 5: dairy at all, none, whatsoever. So there's alternative dairy products
Speaker 5: that you use that there's plant butter, and there's you know,
Speaker 5: plant based cheese, you know, and all that stuff. You know.
Speaker 5: For so for the most part, so people ask me
Speaker 5: how I keep myself in great shape, you know, is
Speaker 5: because I work out five times a week and I
Speaker 5: eat primarily plant based foods, you know, and occasionally I
Speaker 5: eat fish, you know. So uh and and and then uh,
Speaker 5: you know, we have to be proactive with our bodies.
Speaker 5: But you know, the reason why I found out that
Speaker 5: I had kidney disease is because of a routine physical
Speaker 5: that we took with the league that it's mandatory that
Speaker 5: we take this physical preseason and postseason, and they identified
Speaker 5: that I had focal sentimental glamari those carossies. It's a
Speaker 5: rare disease that scars the filters in the kidney, you know.
Speaker 5: And then years later I found out that it was genetic,
Speaker 5: you know. And it's amazing how we can kind of
Speaker 5: identify a lot of health obstacles way in advance if
Speaker 5: we just get a regular checkup, man, even just once
Speaker 5: a year, you know, and now as as athletes, because
Speaker 5: was mandatory for us to do it while we were
Speaker 5: playing a lot of us Just stop right, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, which is, you know, which is crazy
Speaker 5: to me to think that you don't want to know
Speaker 5: what's going on in your body until it's too late,
Speaker 5: you know. So you know, things like getting your blood
Speaker 5: pressure check, you know, getting your p S A check,
Speaker 5: your prosay check, you know, things of that nature. I
Speaker 5: mean all the little things man, you know, so and
Speaker 5: making sure that you get a CT scan, make sure
Speaker 5: your arteries are clear, you know, because you're not running
Speaker 5: up and down the court like you used to, you know,
Speaker 5: so you know, you could possibly have heart disease and
Speaker 5: you don't even know it, you know. So, so a
Speaker 5: lot of things that I'm hoping that the league does
Speaker 5: a better job of helping retired players, guys that you
Speaker 5: know that that stepped away from the game, providing the
Speaker 5: necessary resources for them to get, you know, get regular
Speaker 5: check ups.
Speaker 3: It's important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold stretch, can you talk us through the recruitment
Speaker 1: process of getting Brown here and dump the bag full
Speaker 1: of rings on the table.
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody knows the story man, you know. Listen,
Speaker 5: Pat Roley is he's a master architect, basketball architect.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They He's got the nicknames of the Godfather, the don
Speaker 5: you know when it comes to basketball. Uh, him understanding
Speaker 5: the game, understanding what it takes to win. I think
Speaker 5: at some point players reach a point where they're tired of,
Speaker 5: you know, banging their head against that wall trying to
Speaker 5: figure out a way to win, and then they make
Speaker 5: a decision that, okay, I need to go where they
Speaker 5: have the formula, you know. So I think coaches sell.
Speaker 5: I think it was an easy sell, you know. I
Speaker 5: mean at that particular time, you know, lebron And wasn't
Speaker 5: at a point where he had been trying to win
Speaker 5: for years and wasn't working out, you know, so he
Speaker 5: decided to team over d Wade and and CB and
Speaker 5: and the key to all of that, we'll ceb sacrifice
Speaker 5: taking a back seat and sacrificing and him taking him sacrificing.
Speaker 5: He still made the AFSAR team every year, but he
Speaker 5: still took he took a little bit off of Okay,
Speaker 5: I won't be getting the ball. I'm the third ship,
Speaker 5: you know, when obviously he goes to another team. You know,
Speaker 5: he's the main focus. You know, the key to it
Speaker 5: all was c B. He did all the little things
Speaker 5: for us that so you need that one guy to
Speaker 5: do that. You need the guy and then you need
Speaker 5: that one guy to take Okay, yeah, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna do all the little things to help us win.
Speaker 5: And CB was that block shot, rebound the rebound to
Speaker 5: kick it to Ray, to win it to to you know,
Speaker 5: to salvage that championship opportunity. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know, because if if CB doesn't get that rebound
Speaker 5: and hit Ray on the numbers and he hit that three,
Speaker 5: then San Antonio wins that championship.
Speaker 3: So don't cut me.
Speaker 7: He don't get that rebound, don't come down there and
Speaker 7: my mom there.
Speaker 5: Okay, man, that's in the top ten. Easy, come on, man,
Speaker 5: that's in the top chap. Yes, for sure. Question. Let
Speaker 5: me tell you what that. Let me tell you about
Speaker 5: that shot when Ray, when when Ray came to Miami.
Speaker 3: You see something.
Speaker 5: When Ray came to Miami. He uh, this was hilarious.
Speaker 5: He was doing this drill. When he first came to mind,
Speaker 5: he was doing this drill where he would lay on
Speaker 5: the floor. He had somebody passing them the ball in
Speaker 5: mid air. He would get up, get up off the floor,
Speaker 5: catch the ball, and shoot.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 5: That was his drill. We all looked at him like,
Speaker 5: what the hell are you doing? He lay on the floor,
Speaker 5: ball to mid air, you get up, catch, shoot, okay.
Speaker 5: And then he had a drill where you were backpedal.
Speaker 5: Ball in me there, shoot, catch and shoot. That was
Speaker 5: the drill. He had to backpedal and you know that
Speaker 5: space in between, you know exactly where it was. You
Speaker 5: had to train yourself enough to be exact, not step
Speaker 5: out of bounds and not have to look down and
Speaker 5: see if your feet were behind the line. He did
Speaker 5: that a million times, and for that one shot, for
Speaker 5: that one shot.
Speaker 4: Question real quick before we get the quick hitters.
Speaker 1: We had Vince Carter on the show a while back
Speaker 1: and he said the dunk he had on you in
Speaker 1: Miami kind of fuck your guys, friendship for a little bit,
Speaker 1: speak for him.
Speaker 5: About five years I had write advanced to my golf tournament.
Speaker 5: He never came. Okay, listen, I love Vince you know,
Speaker 5: I love what he's done for the game. He caught me,
Speaker 5: But ask him how many times I blocked the shot,
Speaker 5: you know, exactly exactly so, but but he caught me.
Speaker 5: I mean, this was that type of guy where and
Speaker 5: I had to. I had the ability where I would
Speaker 5: meet guys at the rim. You know, I just meet
Speaker 5: you at the rim because I had big enough hands
Speaker 5: and I had strong I was strong enough to really
Speaker 5: just catch you because I knew you were coming. You know,
Speaker 5: I knew you were coming to the rim. So I'm
Speaker 5: gonna meet you right at the rim. I will wait
Speaker 5: for you. And sometimes it was kind of risky because
Speaker 5: you get caught sometimes. But with Evince, I went up
Speaker 5: to catch his and he went up another lot. I
Speaker 5: was like, oh he went up another left, he went
Speaker 5: up one more level. You it seemed like, yeah, that
Speaker 5: was pretty nasty. Du Yeah, I'm glad it's a little
Speaker 5: blurry now, it's not in like HD. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got quick hitters. First team to come to mind.
Speaker 3: Let us know my Miami heat all time starting five.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I mean that's easy. Me at the center, Uh,
Speaker 5: Timmy and the point, d Wade, bron.
Speaker 3: And c B.
Speaker 4: Top five centers of all time.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, top five centers is Hakeem Kareem, m Russ,
Speaker 5: Bill Russell, Shack Patrick, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Tougher Practice, John Thompson and.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One album you can listen to with no skips.
Speaker 5: Uh, with no skips? Oh wow? Two I'm gonna mention too,
Speaker 5: uh Eric Bean Rockham all right? And the chronic you
Speaker 5: can just let him play?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, all childhood crush.
Speaker 5: Who's your child childhood crush? Uh? I don't know.
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Oh the good.
Speaker 1: Time, good time, guilty pleasure.
Speaker 5: Cigar and whiskey man whiskey Yeah, man, A good cigar,
Speaker 5: a good fine double chateau and no basil hate, basil hate,
Speaker 5: basil hating neat. Yeah's doing this a while. Won't be
Speaker 5: in Miami, brother, I'm clear. I'm close to Cuba. Yeah,
Speaker 5: a lot of cigarslections.
Speaker 2: Last question, if you can see one guest on our show,
Speaker 2: who would it be?
Speaker 1: But you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 1: our show? So somebody you know? Well, did you can say, hey,
Speaker 1: I sat down with him?
Speaker 4: There was on the show.
Speaker 5: Well, we know the's somebody that I would want to
Speaker 5: see on your show. Is well, first of all, it
Speaker 5: isn't alive, you know, so I can't help him get you,
Speaker 5: but it has to be somebody alive. If you cold,
Speaker 5: you get it.
Speaker 2: In personal man, you know, let me know, I know
Speaker 2: you all right.
Speaker 5: So the President Obama, I would like to see you.
Speaker 4: We've we've been told he's supposed to be all this.
Speaker 5: Sw Yeah, like you see President Obama on your show,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean he's cool, he's got charisma. I've
Speaker 5: had a chance to spend a lot of time with
Speaker 5: him and I think you know you guys would do
Speaker 5: well with interviewing him.
Speaker 1: So see person Bob Marley. Yes, so man, we appreciate
Speaker 1: your time. Man, obviously, ultimate respect for what you've accomplished
Speaker 1: on and off the court and the way you continue
Speaker 1: to live your life.
Speaker 5: Man, Thank you, appreciate you appreciate. Hope we get some
Speaker 5: group back looking forward to you know, I got to
Speaker 5: get your Yeah that's about doctor King.
Speaker 4: When is it?
Speaker 5: So is Doctor January? Yeah, I got to get you.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun. It beat a lot of.
Speaker 1: Great Alonso morning, all the smoke you can, all the
Speaker 1: productions YouTube and the Draft Cleans Network.
Speaker 4: We'll see you next week.