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Speaker 1: top and bottom to get with the program? Man, We

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Speaker 1: got a special one today, someone we've been you know,

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Speaker 1: had our eye on for a long time. I ran

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Seven time All Star, two time Defensive Player of the Year,

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Speaker 4: Man, Welcome to the show, Alonzo.

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Speaker 5: Mon, Thank you appreciate having me, gentlemen, and again, congratulation

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Speaker 5: to you all thy four years and it's pretty incredible, man, y'all.

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Speaker 5: UH set in an amazing platform for guys to come

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Speaker 5: in and speak their mind. And yeah, and I have

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Speaker 6: Yea.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we pride ourselves on that you served as VP

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Speaker 1: But I want to back up a little bit from

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Speaker 4: How was that journey for you?

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Speaker 5: It's it was a difficult journey because you know, the

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Speaker 5: It's changed tremendously. Yeah, And I think, and to be candid,

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Speaker 5: I think that from the perspective of players, it's kind

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Speaker 5: David Stern got rest his soul, you know, who was

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Speaker 5: they really are. They've grown the game tremendously from a

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Speaker 5: You know what, and the reason being is because the

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Speaker 5: You know, there's a certain hunger level. I was with

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Speaker 4: Amount of eyes that we have.

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Speaker 5: You know, so when you think about the business perspective

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the growth of the game sixth straight overseas MVPs.

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Speaker 1: Do you think American players will come back around and

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Speaker 5: There is a reason why each team has a staff

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Speaker 5: That's the reason for that, you know. And that's what

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Speaker 5: You know, you got to think of the amount of

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Speaker 5: Tainted by these industries, man, you know, giving these coaches money,

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Speaker 5: And then mean, look at Luca Jesus christ Man. I mean,

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Speaker 5: too much. It gets in the way of it, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's too much gets in the way of that process,

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Speaker 5: Uh, well, first of all, you know, the number one

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Jane. You I mean I would love

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Speaker 5: a mentor to me. And I remember being in the

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00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 5: Nike ABCD camp in Princeton, and I remember Sean Kemp,

437
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 5: Billy Ones, I mean, the whole crop was there. I

438
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 5: mean it was we were all on display in Princeton

439
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 5: and Big John h called Patrick up. Patrick drove down

440
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 5: from New York and uh he was sitting in the

441
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 5: stands of Big John And as I was on the

442
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 5: floor stretching, getting ready for the games, and I felt

443
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: somebody tap me on the shoulder and it was it

444
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 5: was Patrick. I was like, so I had to put

445
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 5: it on the I had to put on the show.

446
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah man.

447
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 5: So yeah, now we've developed this brotherly type of relationship

448
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 5: you know, between uh myself, him and the kentbe you know,

449
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 5: and uh, Big John instilled a lot in us, a

450
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 5: whole lot of us over the years. God rest his

451
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 5: soul because Big John played the center position and he

452
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 5: played behind one of the greatest to ever do it

453
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 5: in Bill Russell. So Big John instilled all of that

454
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 5: all of that knowledge in us through throughout his tutelage

455
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 5: of doing.

456
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Speaker 2: During my years at Georgia, I got a short story

457
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: about Big John. We was in Golden State together and

458
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: I just came from the team and I I had

459
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: a little trouble the two seasons before, but I had

460
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: an interesting story and I was coming back playing well

461
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: and John they wanted to do it. Jones working for

462
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: T and T and they was doing to that Sunday

463
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: special on Baron Davis. Well, he convinced them to do

464
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: it on me and tell my story and had my

465
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: mom come because it was a Mother's Day game. Wow,

466
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: and he did a story on me and my mom

467
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: for Mother's Day. But he forced T and T to

468
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 2: do that, So that shows the character. Yeah, and it

469
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: meant a lot to me because I needed at the

470
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: time because I was getting so much bad press. He

471
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: wanted to get me some good press on Mother's Day

472
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: with my mama. So yeah, yeah, and my mama tell

473
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: this story to him, she gets tear outed because she

474
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: knew what I was going through at the time. So

475
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: for me and her to do that on national TV,

476
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: it was great. So I was at the Big John.

477
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

478
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 5: You know when when John walked out of that game

479
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 5: protesting Prop forty two, that was huge for all young

480
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 5: black ADATs and it just defined the character of who

481
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 5: Big John was all about. You know. He was about

482
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: bringing up the next generation man and he knows he

483
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 5: knew that if that was implemented, then that would have

484
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 5: kept a lot of young people of color from getting

485
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 5: quality education and experience in higher learning and getting an opportunity,

486
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 5: you know. So that kind of speaks to the man

487
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: that he was, you know, and he taught us accordingly,

488
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: you know, based on those things. His gym was like

489
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 5: his classroom. He received a lot of criticism because he

490
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: closed his doors, he didn't allow any media, and because

491
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 5: he wanted to teach us the way without a distraction,

492
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 5: without being dissected or ridiculed. For his teaching tactics. They

493
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 5: worked for us all turn out all right, you know,

494
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 5: because of it. You know what I'm saying. It was

495
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 5: tough love too. It was a tough love type of teaching,

496
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 5: type of coaching.

497
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: What we needed though, what we need was love behind them,

498
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's what can't be translated these days.

499
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: Everything we're saying is coming from a place of love,

500
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: but its just it's not translated the same.

501
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: You know, individuals are trying to give it to No. No,

502
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: you're right, You're definitely right about that. And then now.

503
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 5: Players don't receive it quite like we received it back then.

504
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 5: Like I said, you know, the word fragile is used

505
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 5: quite a bit because unfortunately, it's hard to say the

506
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: things that need to be said to people. It's hard

507
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 5: to say those things that need to be said to

508
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 5: these players, you know, because they take offense to it,

509
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: and you know they're fragile from that perspective, you know,

510
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 5: when ultimately it's about helping you improve your way of thinking.

511
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: That it was.

512
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: We're talking to.

513
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 5: Improve your way of thinking, you know, so you can

514
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 5: be successful. That's all it's about. That's all about. Let's

515
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 5: move on to talk about another great man.

516
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: I just came from a v A I coached had

517
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: a Nobnson game every year his class, high school classic,

518
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: and he had it in v A and we practiced

519
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: at Boo Williams, and I saw your name on the wall,

520
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: and so many people named this crazy facility to big

521
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: old size. Yeah Joe Smith jacked Jackson, so many Joe

522
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He also spoke at Alanson Street, NAM

523
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: and I got a chance to meet him for the

524
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 2: first time. Why is he such a great person? I mean,

525
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: I see all the people he touched, but but he's

526
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: just a different person in the cities where he's from,

527
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: like people really admire.

528
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: When I think about Boo, you know, I think about

529
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 5: first of all, he was another angel in my life

530
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 5: and a father figure, and he really took me outside

531
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: of my my environment and exposed me to the game

532
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 5: of basketball at a totally different less to what could

533
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 5: be exactly, which is why I got the national recognition

534
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 5: in high school, is because Boo exposed me to talent

535
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 5: across the country. He took me outside of my environment,

536
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 5: you know, and he challenged me on so many different levels,

537
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 5: you know, And that's what I loved about Boo. He

538
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 5: challenged me. You know, he was telling me how great

539
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 5: I could be. But at the same time, you know,

540
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 5: he challenged me consistently in order for me to be great.

541
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 5: You know, I didn't know anything about five Star Camp

542
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 5: until I met Boo Williams, you know, and five Star

543
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 5: was a place to be. You know. It was where

544
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 5: everybody went to compete against the best players across the country.

545
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 5: And he threw me out there and I got humble,

546
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 5: you know, but I got better, right, you know, I

547
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 5: guess the better way I got. I got better because

548
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 5: of Boo's initiative. And that's how he built that particular

549
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 5: empire is because he took guys from the street and

550
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 5: he took him out of this invisible fence, out of

551
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: their neighborhoods. He took them out of that and he

552
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 5: exposed them to you know, different places across the country.

553
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: You know, Boo is the reason why I flew. I

554
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 5: flew my first airplane, you know. Yeah, So you know,

555
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 5: I thank God for Boo and what he what he

556
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: did for me as a player, what he did for

557
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 5: my career, what he did for me as a young man.

558
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: And he has like fifty NBA players names.

559
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's two big old with three courts and

560
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: all the bothy.

561
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken.

562
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: He's actually back coaching the seventeens this year too. He's

563
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: coaching again.

564
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 5: Good for him, Yeah, he was, Yeah, good stuff.

565
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: How good was Sean Kemper high school man?

566
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: Incredible to watch? Yeah, really incredible to watch because he

567
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 5: was so athletic and uh he was.

568
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: He was a sixteen Vince Carter. Yeah, he was great.

569
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: That's a great way to explain it.

570
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 5: The elevation, the hangtime, the explosion, all of that. He

571
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 5: was this car. Yeah he really was.

572
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: That's a great way.

573
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was thinking about Vincent six six Yeah yeah.

574
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: It was yeah, yeah, yeah.

575
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 5: He moved like a gard almost when he was in

576
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 5: the air.

577
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: Yeah he maybe that ship look sweet.

578
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, the hang time, walking through the air, all of

579
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: that stuff.

580
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: I just connected with him last week. Yeah, we're talking

581
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: on the phone now. See something is his number on

582
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: through Instagram? Said he want to come on the show.

583
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: He said watching that's great and he went back in

584
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: the Canada space too. You should put him on the show.

585
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: You should get Billy on the show. Ju Yeah.

586
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: He is the first versato for six nine point four.

587
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 5: Yeah he was yeah, yeah, yeah, most can handle it.

589
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 5: Can rebound could fill up the statute.

590
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: We touched obviously on John Thoms. So we're going to

591
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: get a little bit more in depth. First time he

592
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: met with you and your family, explain what that was

593
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: like and just how you kind of knew.

594
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 5: Well, the uniqueness about Big John was, you know, he

595
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 5: always wanted to separate himself from the rest, and he

596
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 5: did a good job of that because his number one

597
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 5: priority was making sure that young black men graduated. You know,

598
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 5: that wasn't a priority for a lot of coaches. It

599
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 5: wasn't an emphasis for our coaches. It really wasn't, you know.

600
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: And especially coming from there inner city, he knew how

601
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 5: important that was to the families of these young black men.

602
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 5: So Bob Wade, Bobby Krimins, Terry holland Jim Beheim, they

603
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 5: all came to my house, not together, but one at

604
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: a time, and they gave their pitch. Big John asked

605
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 5: to be less. He sat in the living room. All

606
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: the other coaches were like, Hey, you know, we're gonna

607
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 5: give him this. He's going to get this. You know,

608
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 5: if you all need to come down, we'll fly you down.

609
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 5: And if y'all need a job, we'll make sure y'all

610
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 5: have a job so y'all can be close to him.

611
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 5: All these these things they were promising. Big John came in.

612
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 5: He was very candid. He's a mystery. You know, thanks

613
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 5: for having me here. Now I remember it clear. He

614
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 5: looked in the face. He said, I'm not promising your

615
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 5: son anything. I'm not going to give him anything. He's

616
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 5: got to work for everything that he gets. Thee He's

617
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 5: looking at her and telling her this, and I was like, this,

618
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 5: my it's far different from what the other coaches said.

619
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 5: And then finally Big John said, he said, I will

620
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 5: promise you one thing, though, mystery. If he goes to class,

621
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 5: he's gonna graduate. Some street looked at me, she was, well,

622
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: we know where you're going to school straight up. I

623
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: mean she was like because she was a huge advocate

624
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: of education and being a retired school teacher whatever, you know.

625
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 5: So you know I took that next step. You know,

626
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 5: I'm annoyance to me. I didn't realize the challenges I

627
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 5: was going to face. So you know, I did enough

628
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 5: just to make sure I stayed on the team my

629
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 5: freshman year and he called me to his office. You know,

630
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 5: I had it good grades enough to stay on the team,

631
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 5: so I was good. You know, he called me to

632
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 5: the office and after the first semester and he said, look,

633
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 5: he said, you can do better than this. And I

634
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 5: was like, what do you mean I'm doing all right?

635
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 5: I'm on the team. He's like, listen to me, son,

636
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 5: he said, if you had to cure for cancer, you

637
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 5: wouldn't even know it. This was his exact worst to me,

638
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 5: And I said, well, I ain't trying to be a doctor. Coach.

639
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 5: He said, listen to me, son, you can do better.

640
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: He said, if you don't do better, you won't play.

641
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 5: So that next semester I made the Dean's list. So

642
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: all it took was him motivated me, you know, and

643
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 5: years later I look back on that fast forward. I've

644
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: served sixty years on the executive board at George Shann University,

645
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 5: and never in my wildest dreams as a freshman at

646
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 5: Georgetown what I thought I would be what I've served

647
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 5: as one of the board of trustees at George Shann University.

648
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 5: But all of that was because of Big John's motivation.

649
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 5: For sure.

650
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 4: Obviously taught you a lot of things, and you spoke

651
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: to some of them.

652
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: One thing I found interesting and it paid off for

653
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: you once you got in the league with the contracts

654
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: of negotiating for yourself was something that he spoke about

655
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: and was instrumental about and advocating for you, guys, to

656
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: be negotiating for yourself and then also how to show

657
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: gratitude to someone who's made an impact in your life.

658
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: Can you speak to both those?

659
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 5: Well, you know what he he always told us he

660
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 5: had this deflated basketball on his desk, and the basketball

661
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: always represented the message that he would always tell us,

662
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 5: you know, basically, don't let the game use you. You

663
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 5: use the game, you know, don't let you know, there's

664
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 5: sum total of seven to nine pounds of air be

665
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 5: your only existence, you know, because when the ball stops

666
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 5: balance bouncing, what are you going to do? Yeah, what

667
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 5: are you going to do? You know, So that deflated

668
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 5: basketball is there was always there to remind us of

669
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 5: that from that perspective, you know. So so learning doing

670
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 5: the things you needed to do to take responsibility for

671
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 5: your business was extremely important. You know, knowing that, hey,

672
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 5: your business manager, you got to you gotta audit people

673
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 5: that's taking care of your money. You know, you got

674
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 5: to be in those negoti ciation meetings. You got to

675
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 5: be in those meetings negotiating, listening to what's going on

676
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 5: so that you can make intelligent decisions. You know, people

677
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 5: tend to look at you differently. You know when you

678
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 5: show interest in what's going on with your business, they

679
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 5: have a different instead of you not being there and

680
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 5: relying on somebody else to do it for you. So

681
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 5: he emphasized that tremendously, you know, outside all of that,

682
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 5: you know, to give it back. Part his life embodied that,

683
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: so it automatically had an influence on us. So when

684
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: I think about my high school coach, when I think

685
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 5: about Family three, when I think about my teachers, you know,

686
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 5: I think about Bei John. When you know, when I

687
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 5: think about all these people that contribute to my well

688
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 5: being as a person as well as an athlete, I

689
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 5: would be doing them a disservice if I didn't pay

690
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 5: it for because you know, they helped me get to

691
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 5: where I am. You know, I wouldn't be here without

692
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 5: other people's contribute. We wouldn't be sitting here today in

693
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 5: front of these mics without other people's contributions, you know.

694
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 5: So we have when you have an opportunity to pay

695
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 5: it for, you do it because somebody helped you get

696
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 5: here from that perspective, you know, which is why we

697
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 5: just celebrated twenty years for our foundation, Morning Family Foundation,

698
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 5: which we have provided educational opportunities for children and families

699
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 5: in there in the city. You know, the cost of

700
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 5: living here in South Florida since I got here in

701
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 5: ninety five has gone up close to fifty percent. And

702
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: it's hard for a lot of the natives to eat

703
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 5: to live here anymore because it's so expensive to live

704
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 5: here now. And when people come here, they go east

705
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: of ninety five, they go towards the water, they go

706
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: towards the ocean. It's beautiful here. They don't go west

707
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 5: where there's about a million people that live below the

708
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 5: poverty level. And there's a lot of people that know

709
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: that don't know that part of Miami. And when you

710
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 5: think about a quarter of the population here that live

711
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 5: below the poverty level, you know, a byproduct of that is,

712
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 5: you know, high school dropouts, teenage pregnancy, drug abuse, criminally

713
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 5: related activities. The list goes on. So what I know

714
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 5: works is making sure that relationships are established and through

715
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 5: those relationships, through our foundation, you know, we have built

716
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 5: through the through the help of other individuals, we build

717
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: a fifty six styles on square feet facility literally about

718
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: a two minute drive from here, that has gymnasium, fourteen classrooms,

719
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 5: charter school, in school, after school, summer programming, dance studio,

720
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 5: music studio, two technology centers in there a health and

721
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: wellness component as well, mental health and wellness component, all

722
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 5: free of charge for this inner city community, this historic

723
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 5: community called Overtown. I've been doing this for twenty years now,

724
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 5: and we just celebrated our twentieth anniversary in our grand

725
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 5: opening of the building. It was a twenty million dollar project,

726
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 5: which we raised all the money through local businesses and

727
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 5: corporations and private donors. Well, we graduated one hundred percent

728
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 5: of our kids from high school. We bring them in

729
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: at age five, We followed them to age twenty five,

730
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: and close to ninety percent of our kids go to

731
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 5: college and graduate. Now we have about eight of our

732
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 5: employees and staff that have gone through the program, graduated,

733
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 5: and now they're working for us. You know. So this

734
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: is something I want to replicate, not just across South Florida,

735
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 5: but across the country, you know, because there's so many

736
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 5: inner cities across the country that don't that don't have

737
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 5: a place, kids don't have a place of refuge. You know.

738
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 5: I was I spent some time with President Obama and

739
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 5: we were golfing, and I remember him telling me in

740
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 5: the golf car. One day we were talking about working

741
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 5: in the city and he was talking about, you know,

742
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 5: some of the obstacles that they face in Chicago and

743
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 5: things of that nature, and he said, the problem with

744
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 5: our young people across the country is that they don't

745
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 5: have anywhere to go and they don't have the right

746
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 5: people holding them accountable for their act. So we've created that.

747
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: We've created that with the help of an organization in Portland,

748
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 5: Oregon called SEI Self Enhancement Incorporated. They've been around for

749
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 5: forty plus years. They've been receiving grants, huge grants from

750
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 5: phild Knight Nike, and we I adopted that model through

751
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 5: my good friend Tony Hobson, who is the founder, and

752
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 5: we implemented it here and the rest is history, you know.

753
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 5: So that has been my life's work. I've been in

754
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 5: talks with your Donas Haslam to replicate it in his

755
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 5: and his home borough of Liberty City as well, you know.

756
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 5: And there's so many other areas that needed as well,

757
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 5: you know. But I'm a strong believer that kids have

758
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 5: the ability, many of them just don't have the resources. Okay,

759
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 5: So you can create the resources and you can surround

760
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 5: them with strong, consistent, caring voices of influences consistent. It

761
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 5: has to be consistent. If you can surround them that,

762
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 5: then you can develop a mentality to help them understand

763
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 5: exactly their full potential and what they're capable of doing

764
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 5: with their lives.

765
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: You know.

766
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 5: Other than that, You know a lot of these kids

767
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 5: fall victim to the streets.

768
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 6: Man.

769
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's as simple as that. They fall

770
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 5: victim to the streets. What they see is pretty much

771
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: what they'll be.

772
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 4: Right, you know, that's what they look up to, what

773
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 4: they see. First of all, congratulations on that.

774
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: I didn't know the depth of it, obviously, I knew

775
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: it was Sean, But the depth and celebrating twenty years

776
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: that is beautiful.

777
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: Back to hooping.

778
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: You jump on the scene as a freshman average five

779
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: blocks a game at Georgetown, Ma Tumbo becomes a teammate

780
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: two incredible shot blockers. We heard a story about Matumble

781
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: trying to pick up girls at the Georgetown bar. Can

782
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: you tell us anything about that?

783
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 5: Hey, listen, man, listen. We all had a good time college. Yeah,

784
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 5: the ki had an even batter time. He took advantage

785
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 5: of those moments when we had parties to go to

786
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,959
Speaker 5: because he was the one that was heads above everybody else,

787
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 5: so all the eyes is on him. He took advantage

788
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 5: of it. But we had a lot of We had

789
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 5: a lot of fun. We had some memorable moments. Probably

790
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 5: one of the most memorable moments that I had with him,

791
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 5: we were we were dormates, and his feet hung off

792
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 5: the bed in the dorm and everything because he's about

793
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 5: yeah seven two. But anyway, one day he uh, he

794
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 5: was in the kitchen cooking and he ran out of

795
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 5: he uh he ran out of flour and he was

796
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 5: trying to make some chickens, so he used some corn

797
00:47:53,560 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 5: bread mix. Man, he had the whole apartment small game.

798
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: He had fire department had come and smoke coming all

799
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 5: out of the he in there chicken and chicken had

800
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 5: bird on the outside. Yeah, it was wrang inside. It

801
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 5: was like I was like, oh my god.

802
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, cornmeal bro not corn bread. Cornmeal bro not corn bread.

803
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: We spoke to when you came obviously how big the

804
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: n Cuba was back then. You guys ran into a

805
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: jugging out of a college team in un LB in

806
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. Speak to that team, one of the

807
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: arguably one of the greatest college teams of all time

808
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: by far.

809
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 5: I mean they were well built and dark, well coached,

810
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 5: you know, coach Tarkanian. You know, you had LJ and

811
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 5: Stacey Augman, you know, and you know they had a

812
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 5: line up and then they had a bench as well,

813
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 5: you know may Lee maybe. Yeah, they were all so

814
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 5: we had young guards and they were overwhelmed, you know.

815
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 5: So it's hard. It was hard for them with the

816
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 5: pressure that Greg Anthony was putting on them, Anderson Hunt

817
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 5: Anderson Hunt, it was it was hard for them to

818
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 5: even get us the ball like we wanted, you know. So, Uh,

819
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 5: They're definitely a team for the ages. When you think

820
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 5: of n C double A dominant n C double A teams,

821
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 5: they were definitely a team for the ages.

822
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 3: That was the guard away, That was one silid guard

823
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 3: away from then.

824
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 5: That was it. Yeah, we were away, yeah.

825
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right away from me.

826
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was definitely. Yeah. We lost to them in Arizona.

827
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 5: We played that game in Arizona, Big Game.

828
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: Draft number two overall the nineteen ninety two draft to

829
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: the Charlotte Hornets, one pick after Shack and one pick

830
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: for late speaking.

831
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 5: The shock we were yesterday when Beyama uh one unanimously. Okay,

832
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 5: so Ernie, and they announced it and they let Shaq

833
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 5: read the envelope and uh, Ernie was talking about all

834
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: the players that had won Rookie of the yearn unanimously,

835
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 5: and Shaq was like, I didn't want to unanice me

836
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 5: and Erniet said no, no. A guy named Alones in

837
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 5: morning got two votes. So I'm watching and he's like,

838
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 5: damn you Alanes one morning, so I texted him. I said, Shaq,

839
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: I still love you, man. Let me enjoy my two.

840
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 5: He called me right after they went to commercial and

841
00:50:51,200 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 5: they were all laughing on that. Let you get. Don't

842
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 5: steal my joy, man. I'll tell you all the time.

843
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: When out my twenty ten and Charlotte, everybody knew I

844
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: didn't have a chance to win the MVP, but I

845
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: got a vote.

846
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 4: Let me enjoy my vote ten. There was one vote

847
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: somebody to vote that year.

848
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 5: I know, somebody always tell I always tell the big fella.

849
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 5: I said, look, I had numbers Rookie season two. I

850
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 5: had crazy that Cason, and just like you, I had numbers.

851
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 5: And I said, and it should have been Cold Rookie

852
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 5: of the Year because I always tell him. Orlando didn't

853
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 5: make it to the playoffs. We did Charlotte, Charlotte. When

854
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 5: we went to the playoffs the first time, I said, so,

855
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 5: y'all didn't make it. I led my team to the

856
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 5: place away that should have held a little bit away,

857
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 5: but they gave it to him outright.

858
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

859
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you average twenty ten right at the gate?

860
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 5: Yo, I was twenty one ten and three blocks.

861
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah at the gate yeah yeah, yeah. Well

862
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: that year. What do you think was your welcome to

863
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: the NBA moment.

864
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: M J.

865
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 5: We just gonna say we're gonna starting initials. Yeah. Yeah.

866
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 5: It was when he dumped on me. He dumped on me, screamed,

867
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 5: he flexed and scream I was like, man, a bunch

868
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 5: of shots, you know. He came on. It was like,

869
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 5: I mean, the roar after he dunked on me, man,

870
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay.

871
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 4: At home or in Chicago.

872
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 5: I was at home. He got to good Yeah yeah, no, no,

873
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 5: I'm blaming Kendall Guild for that.

874
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

875
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 5: Gill was always talking talking ship to Mike, and I'm like, Mike,

876
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 5: I'm like you, he's gonna blow past you. He coming

877
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 5: at me, Yeah, at me?

878
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 6: He co me.

879
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: What's flex Chapman on that team. Uh uh, because I

880
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: remember I remember.

881
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 5: When Rix was on that TV he got traded on

882
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 5: the team.

883
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember the movie talking about was when

884
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: Jordan's in and out of him and got by him

885
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: and that's when he Yeah, yeah, I remember the move.

886
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: I remember the move that was Rexy in and out.

887
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: You had the highest attendance in the Jersey sales that year.

888
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: You have j Muggs and Kender Gilt.

889
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

890
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: How electric was that at the time.

891
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 5: Let me tell you what, man, that was a fun

892
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 5: team to play with. It really was. It was exciting.

893
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 5: Muggs is the best. Have you had Muggs on the show?

894
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 5: Of course, my guy, Mugs is the best man. He

895
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 5: really is, you know. And when you think about the

896
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 5: charisma that LJ had with the gold tooth and wearing

897
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 5: the dresses Grandmama and all that stuff. Then you think

898
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 5: about Mugs being the smallest player in the league and

899
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 5: young people relating to Muggsy, you know. And then you

900
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 5: had me the new kid on the block, you know.

901
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 5: It was it was a matchmate in heaven man. And

902
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 5: then we had the fly Till Jerseys. Then we had

903
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 5: to start the Jackets. Charlotte the Purple and the Teal Jackets.

904
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So you think about that time, man,

905
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 5: it was like it was perfect timing for us, and

906
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 5: you know we kind of the immediately developed the respect

907
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 5: of the league, you know, because we came in running

908
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 5: people off the court. We had this passing game type offense,

909
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 5: you know, where the ball was moving, moving, moving, and

910
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 5: we got it out quick and Mugs is pushing in.

911
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 5: Muggs like, don't let me beat you down the court.

912
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 5: So we were flying and he was distributing.

913
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 3: Man.

914
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 5: So it was fun. It was a fun game, it

915
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 5: really was, you know. And then for us to beat

916
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 5: Boston in the first round, that was huge for the

917
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 5: city we had. Like you said, we had the as

918
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 5: attendance in Carolina. I mean that's a basketball state, you know.

919
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 5: So the following was we couldn't go to we were

920
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 5: rock stars in Charlotte. We didn't pay for any meals

921
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 5: everywhere we went. It was it was, it was fun.

922
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: It really was speak to I think someone who gets

923
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: looked over as LJ had a lot of game. And

924
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: obviously you guys have your battles in college and the pros,

925
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: but teammates at one point too. Speak to lj's versatility

926
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: and what this game was.

927
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 5: Like for he was six six sixty seven. He was

928
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 5: similar to a Charles Barkley, you know, but probably a

929
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 5: little bit more athletic. Uh, very skilled, great hands around

930
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 5: the basket. Unfortunately the injury kind of derailed his career.

931
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 5: But if he would have never gotten the back injury,

932
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 5: you know, who knowstball. He was high basketball asking LIKEQ

933
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 5: was high. Have you had him on the show?

934
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? Today to give you to get him in the show, man,

935
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: I mean.

936
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 5: Just you gotta think he came doing an era. A

937
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 5: lot of people don't realize he wanted the dunk contest.

938
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 5: Yeah that yeah, yeah, man, he wanted dunk guys. Man.

939
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 5: He was extremely athletic, you know, sixty Yeah. He was

940
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 5: a load on that block, Yeah he was. He was

941
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 5: a load on that block, man. So him and not

942
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 5: complimenting each other extremely well.

943
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, he's alute.

944
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: So you know, getting traded one day before the season

945
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: in ninety five, what was your first interaction like with

946
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: Roles because.

947
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: He just got there right before you, right, yeah.

948
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 5: First of all, leading up to that, I had a

949
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 5: conversation with Pat you and I said, yo, man, I said, look,

950
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 5: I got a chance. I got a chance to come

951
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 5: to New York and play with you. I got a

952
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 5: chance to go to LA. I got a chance to go.

953
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 5: I think it was it was Indiana and then Miami

954
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 5: and Pat was like, go to Miami. And I was

955
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: like what I said, dude, we got a chance to

956
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 5: play together. Man, we can play together in New York.

957
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 5: Win a championship. He's like, no, go to Miami. Le

958
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 5: Row's build a team around. I said, well, what about

959
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 5: his practices? He said? He said, dude, you went to Georgia.

960
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 5: He said, you can have it so under Pat Ewan's

961
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 5: bless us. Wow, I went, I went to Miami. That's

962
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 5: how that all happened. That's how that all happened. A

963
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 5: lot of people don't know that.

964
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: So that's ninety five. So Shaq was in LA. You

965
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 4: would have been the first singer to go to that life.

966
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would have been.

967
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

968
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 5: I had a chance. Yeah, I had a chance. Yeah.

969
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 5: Like it was four different teams.

970
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 4: So what happened to Charlotte just ran out of money

971
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 4: or didn't have the money.

972
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 5: We had an owner that wasn't willing to make the investment.

973
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 5: You know, he wasn't willing to make the investment, and

974
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 5: for lack of better words, you know, he basically said,

975
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 5: I wasn't worth the money I was asking, you know,

976
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 5: So you know, we left. David Foulk was my agent

977
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 5: at the time, you know, and he suggested, he said, look,

978
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 5: I'm going to get you this number and these are

979
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 5: the several teams that I could get it from if

980
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 5: you choose where you want to go.

981
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 4: And the number was one hundred.

982
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 5: It was one O five.

983
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, one O five for seven so South Beach, Oh yeah, yeah,

984
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, he said.

985
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah, the best thing ever happened to me. Yeah,

986
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 5: and came down here. I've seen this place change tremendously.

987
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 5: Been a blessing to experience this culture and develop some

988
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 5: amazing relationships, but more importantly, to be a part of

989
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 5: an organization. I'm very proud to be a part of

990
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 5: an organization led by Garrison family, Mickey, Malan, Harrison and

991
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 5: Nick And you know, first class people.

992
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: You can, we can. I can tell them nonside looking

993
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: in it since.

994
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 5: You they appreciate you, first class, They appreciate you. I mean,

995
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 5: they are first class people. You know, there's a family.

996
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 5: When they don't take that that word lightly. There's a

997
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 5: family atmosphere for sure, and the culture was developed, you

998
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 5: know when they bought Pat Riley here. You know, when

999
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 5: they bought Pat here. You know, Pat told me his dream.

1000
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 5: We practiced at this old fitness center. We didn't even

1001
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 5: have a practice facility or anything it was. And then

1002
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 5: the outer bounds of the fitness center was a wall,

1003
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 5: so Pat passed practices in there. We were running into

1004
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 5: the wall. Part of the wall didn't have pad on it.

1005
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 5: It was no joke, I mean. And some intense practices

1006
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 5: on that little court. And then one day after practice,

1007
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 5: all the guys had left, Pat coach and I sat

1008
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 5: on the floor and we talked for two hours. And

1009
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 5: that right then I knew exactly what he wanted. You know,

1010
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 5: he said, I have a dream of a parade going

1011
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 5: down bisc Game Boulevard. And he said that I brought

1012
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 5: you here to help us get help us get there.

1013
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 5: We started the process and you know, he made trays

1014
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 5: and he got players here. You know, he started developing

1015
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 5: this mentality of hardest working, most professional, toughest, mean, it's

1016
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 5: nastiest team in the NBA, most disliked. He started developing that,

1017
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 5: you know, and he imp He implemented that in all

1018
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 5: the players that he bought here. And you know, if

1019
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 5: he didn't want any parts of it, you know, he

1020
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 5: got ready. It's as simple as that, you know. But

1021
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 5: you came here to be a part of that mentality.

1022
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 5: And muh fortunate enough, you know, through trades and players

1023
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 5: being attracted to the two you know, coach Riley and

1024
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 5: the city and you know, our organization. You know, we

1025
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 5: were able to get three championships out of this. You know,

1026
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 5: we drafted d Wade. Some amazing things happened obviously, you know,

1027
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 5: with Tim Hardaway and myself. You know, we kind of started.

1028
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 4: Don't want to talk about that duo because that was

1029
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: one of the nastiest in.

1030
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 5: The night we started. The momentum, man, that minum was huge,

1031
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 5: you know, and we were fun to watch, you know.

1032
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 5: You know, we came up shorter a lot of times,

1033
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 5: but we were fun to watch. You know. We had

1034
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 5: the franchise record for games one. It was sixty one games,

1035
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 5: you know, and and then along came d Wade, and

1036
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 5: you know, and then Shot came in here and we

1037
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 5: won our first championship in two thousand and six, you know,

1038
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 5: which was an incredible ride. It really was an incredible ride.

1039
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 5: We got that parade down Biscame Boulevard and then we

1040
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 5: bought the Big three here man, you know, so you

1041
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 5: know we're trying to get back there again.

1042
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: Big out incredible d Wade was in that Dallas series

1043
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: because I kind of feel like that's when he put

1044
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: his mark credible game.

1045
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 5: Let me tell you what to average. I think he

1046
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 5: averaged like thirty four thirty five a game against that

1047
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 5: team in the finals. Man, we just put a saddle

1048
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 5: on man and we rode him. Yeah, yeah, you know,

1049
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 5: because he had it going. He had the utmost confidence

1050
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 5: the waded that particular time, and he walked on the

1051
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 5: court like like nobody can stop me from doing what

1052
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 5: I want to do. You know. Roles put together an

1053
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 5: incredible support and cash with Antoine, you know, j Will

1054
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 5: posey Ud held his weight in you know, on the

1055
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 5: boards and everything in Shaq and myself GP. I mean,

1056
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 5: we we got it done, you know, but it took

1057
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 5: a lot of sweating, man, it really did. You know.

1058
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 5: We went down oh two, and and then when Mark

1059
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 5: Cuban got on David Letterman or one of those shows

1060
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 5: and started talking about he had a parade playing and everything,

1061
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 5: you know, and that kind of little fire under us,

1062
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 5: and then we came back and won four games in

1063
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 5: a row, you know, you know, And and I remember

1064
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 5: Role telling us clearly, you know, the hardest thing that

1065
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 5: we're ever doing our lives is won the championship. And

1066
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 5: he said, you never know you're gonna win one until

1067
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 5: it happens. He said, you know, you can look great

1068
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 5: on paper, and you can have all the you know,

1069
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 5: the personnel in place, you know, but you never know

1070
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 5: you're gonna win one until it actually until it actually happens,

1071
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 5: you know, you know. So that was probably one of

1072
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 5: the greatest basketball moments in my life. Out of all

1073
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 5: the things that I experienced on the hard floor, that's

1074
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 5: one of the greatest basketball moments.

1075
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 3: Amazing.

1076
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: I want to back up a little bit real quick.

1077
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: You guys playing the Knicks in the playoffs. Yeah, four

1078
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: years in a row, right, And obviously that there during

1079
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: that ninety eight series, you and LJ getting that fight

1080
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: where Ben Gundy's jumping on people. I think it goes

1081
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: to pay right here, these jumping on people's legs. But

1082
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: how competitive was because a lot of people don't know

1083
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: that arousers in a lawsuit against the Knicks.

1084
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 4: It comes to you, guys.

1085
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: You see, those games are going to be very personal,

1086
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: and you guys run into them four straight years in

1087
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs and have your battles. But what do you

1088
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: remember most about that rivalry and those series versus the next.

1089
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 5: The level of intensity you knows as competitors. As competitors,

1090
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 5: it's not right as competitors. You know, once you get

1091
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 5: once the lather gets going, you start competing against your opponent.

1092
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 5: You know, the intensity level gets to the point where

1093
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 5: you know, you're in my way. Yeah yeah, yeah, let

1094
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 5: me take you back. Yeah, you're in my way from

1095
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 5: from what's getting done when we need to get done,

1096
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 5: you know, So what I need to do to get

1097
01:05:59,000 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 5: you out of my way?

1098
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 3: Whatever?

1099
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, go through you. Yeah yeah, that's it. It's the

1100
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 5: mentality that we had. And you know what Rowles he

1101
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 5: did develop. He developed that mentality in both of those teams. Yeah,

1102
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 5: no question he did. So those were his brainchilds, both teams,

1103
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 5: and then we were both at each other.

1104
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 4: You know, Sony was an assistance.

1105
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 3: To rise, right, insistant to rise.

1106
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 5: You know, So that mentality was developed, it was deep rooted,

1107
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 5: and we knew we knew each other's plays. We knew everything.

1108
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 5: That that's why the scores were so low, you know. Yeah,

1109
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 5: I mean score ended up being you know a lot

1110
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 5: of games eighty two, eighty five that was a score,

1111
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 5: you know, because we knew each other's plays. You know,

1112
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 5: defense was knockdown, drag out, you know, possessions hard for

1113
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 5: you know, that's when you used to be able to

1114
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 5: touch people back then you can't touch nobody more than yeah,

1115
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 5: like this, just man. Well another rivalry that was like

1116
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 5: that was you gotta throw the l A l A

1117
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 5: Detroit l A Boston, Boston, Detroit, Okay, and then you

1118
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 5: gotta throw the shop Chicago Detroit seriously, Yeah, yeah, you

1119
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 5: gotta you gotta throw Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta do

1120
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 5: Also Indiana Chicago series. That was intense.

1121
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: Man, we skip more question than I wanted to ask him.

1122
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 3: I got a bone to pick with him. Man, you

1123
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 3: never got that invite. I got never got that invite

1124
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 3: to that zol some of group.

1125
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,439
Speaker 5: Can we can we can we bring it back? Part

1126
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 5: of bring it back to you man, that was a

1127
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 5: huge production.

1128
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 4: How many years? For sixteen years we heard about it

1129
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 4: on the West coast.

1130
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, we used to people used to come from all

1131
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 5: over the country. I created a festive atmosphere fundraising okay,

1132
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 5: where we had All Star basketball game, uh, a dinner,

1133
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 5: black Tied dinner, a comedy show, concert and comedy show,

1134
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 5: a family health and wellness day, and a golf tournament.

1135
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 5: I did five a lot, So one of those alone

1136
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 5: is tough. Yeah. I did all of them, and I

1137
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 5: had a huge production team, and we did year round

1138
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 5: planning for that, and it got to the point where

1139
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,799
Speaker 5: it was like the production was like All Star weekend. Yeah,

1140
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 5: and people would come from all over because we had

1141
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 5: after parties every night. That's what people would come in

1142
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 5: town for the after parties as well, So I had

1143
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 5: different celebrity DJs, DJing and the after parties.

1144
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 6: So it was it was dope. Used to hear about it, yeah, yeah.

1145
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 6: But more importantly, we raised We raised millions of dollars

1146
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 6: for our inner city initiatives and providing educational opportunities for

1147
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 6: children and families, and that's what kind of catapulted the

1148
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 6: foundation even more and built this momentum behind the work

1149
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 6: we were doing in the inner city and helping kids

1150
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 6: go to college and graduating things of that nature. So

1151
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 6: it was a blessing to do that. It really was.

1152
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 5: But it's a lot of work, man. I could not

1153
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 5: do that. I could not do it a long time. Yeah,

1154
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 5: sixteen years. We did it long. It was a lot

1155
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 5: of fun, a lot of fun, and you know what,

1156
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 5: what what helped it was a lot of corporations. A

1157
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 5: lot of corporations kind of sawt up the volume of

1158
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 5: people that were coming from all over. So we got

1159
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 5: sponsorships from so many different people.

1160
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, revenue for the city.

1161
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: Something we've been very pro on our show about and

1162
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: during our careers is just, you know, the painkillers and

1163
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: opioids that were pumped into professional athletes.

1164
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 4: We're very pro.

1165
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: Cannabis toward all was something that was used and what

1166
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: were some of the other name celebrates, all these different things.

1167
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: So you obviously had kidney issues and would you say

1168
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 1: some of that was due to the medicine you were

1169
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: taking to be on that court by far?

1170
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 5: I think, first of all, it's my fault because I

1171
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 5: chose to put it in my body. Uh, it was

1172
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 5: introduced to me. The painkillers were introduced to me by

1173
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 5: team trainers, and I used them to I used them

1174
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 5: to you know, to play.

1175
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 4: You were talking about you were talked back at Georgetown

1176
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 4: to play through stuff.

1177
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, I used him to play.

1178
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 6: Man.

1179
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 5: I needed to. I wanted to get out there and

1180
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 5: play and compete. You know, I had you know, I

1181
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 5: had my my fair share of injuries. You know, I

1182
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 5: had five knee surgeries, you know, three on this knee,

1183
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 5: two on this knee, and then I had other injuries

1184
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 5: here and there, you know, and they're part of the game.

1185
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 5: It was a physical game back then, and between the

1186
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 5: ice baths, it wasn't enough between between the you know,

1187
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 5: between the Ebstince Sauce's bass, it wasn't enough. You know,

1188
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,560
Speaker 5: I had to talk. I had to pop up Voltarian

1189
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 5: or something like that.

1190
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1191
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 2: So you said it's your fault, but it's my fault, okay,

1192
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 2: But did they give you options? So so it's hard

1193
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: for me to accept that, you know what I'm saying,

1194
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: when they didn't give us options. They only gave us

1195
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 2: one option, So was it our fault?

1196
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1197
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, I'm a grown man, No, not

1198
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 5: get the Yeah, so somebody offer you some crack, Okay,

1199
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 5: then it's up to you whether or not you're gonna

1200
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 5: take it or not.

1201
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: Right that different you dealing with the people that y'all

1202
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: have the same common goal to reaching the championship.

1203
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 4: You don't see that they're gonna give you something. Yeah,

1204
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying that hurt you long term,

1205
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: like with win it's together.

1206
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well you know what.

1207
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,520
Speaker 5: That's why it's important to educate young people.

1208
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, exactly, that's my point.

1209
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 5: On alternative ways of healing the body. You know, I'm

1210
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 5: not gonna blame nobody else but myself, you know, but

1211
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 5: I do know that it did have enough had an

1212
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 5: effect on my kidney function, you know, because I don't

1213
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 5: think I was abusing them. I just think that I

1214
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 5: just took a lot of them, you know. Yeah, it's

1215
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 5: not like I was just living off them, because during

1216
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 5: the off season, I just stopped taking them because I

1217
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 5: didn't need them there during the season. Yeah, I will

1218
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 5: pop want to get through it because my achilles was sore,

1219
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 5: or I had ten to night it's real bad, or

1220
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 5: my back was hurting that day, or you know something

1221
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 5: I needed. I need to get out there and play

1222
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 5: that game though. You know. So now, yoga, your diet,

1223
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 5: anti inflammatory foods, all of that stuff. Educating yourselves on

1224
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 5: those particular things, which is what I do. You know,

1225
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 5: I primarily eat plant based. I got a plant based

1226
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 5: chef at the house right now, Okay, So I primarily

1227
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 5: eat plant based. Occasionally I eat fish. I eat no

1228
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 5: dairy at all, none, whatsoever. So there's alternative dairy products

1229
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 5: that you use that there's plant butter, and there's you know,

1230
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 5: plant based cheese, you know, and all that stuff. You know.

1231
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 5: For so for the most part, so people ask me

1232
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 5: how I keep myself in great shape, you know, is

1233
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 5: because I work out five times a week and I

1234
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 5: eat primarily plant based foods, you know, and occasionally I

1235
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 5: eat fish, you know. So uh and and and then uh,

1236
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 5: you know, we have to be proactive with our bodies.

1237
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 5: But you know, the reason why I found out that

1238
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,799
Speaker 5: I had kidney disease is because of a routine physical

1239
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 5: that we took with the league that it's mandatory that

1240
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 5: we take this physical preseason and postseason, and they identified

1241
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 5: that I had focal sentimental glamari those carossies. It's a

1242
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 5: rare disease that scars the filters in the kidney, you know.

1243
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 5: And then years later I found out that it was genetic,

1244
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 5: you know. And it's amazing how we can kind of

1245
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 5: identify a lot of health obstacles way in advance if

1246
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 5: we just get a regular checkup, man, even just once

1247
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,839
Speaker 5: a year, you know, and now as as athletes, because

1248
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 5: was mandatory for us to do it while we were

1249
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 5: playing a lot of us Just stop right, you know

1250
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, which is, you know, which is crazy

1251
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 5: to me to think that you don't want to know

1252
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 5: what's going on in your body until it's too late,

1253
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 5: you know. So you know, things like getting your blood

1254
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 5: pressure check, you know, getting your p S A check,

1255
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 5: your prosay check, you know, things of that nature. I

1256
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 5: mean all the little things man, you know, so and

1257
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 5: making sure that you get a CT scan, make sure

1258
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 5: your arteries are clear, you know, because you're not running

1259
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 5: up and down the court like you used to, you know,

1260
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 5: so you know, you could possibly have heart disease and

1261
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 5: you don't even know it, you know. So, so a

1262
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 5: lot of things that I'm hoping that the league does

1263
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 5: a better job of helping retired players, guys that you

1264
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 5: know that that stepped away from the game, providing the

1265
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 5: necessary resources for them to get, you know, get regular

1266
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 5: check ups.

1267
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 3: It's important.

1268
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold stretch, can you talk us through the recruitment

1269
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: process of getting Brown here and dump the bag full

1270
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: of rings on the table.

1271
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody knows the story man, you know. Listen,

1272
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 5: Pat Roley is he's a master architect, basketball architect.

1273
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1274
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 5: They He's got the nicknames of the Godfather, the don

1275
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 5: you know when it comes to basketball. Uh, him understanding

1276
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 5: the game, understanding what it takes to win. I think

1277
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 5: at some point players reach a point where they're tired of,

1278
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 5: you know, banging their head against that wall trying to

1279
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 5: figure out a way to win, and then they make

1280
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 5: a decision that, okay, I need to go where they

1281
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 5: have the formula, you know. So I think coaches sell.

1282
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 5: I think it was an easy sell, you know. I

1283
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 5: mean at that particular time, you know, lebron And wasn't

1284
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 5: at a point where he had been trying to win

1285
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 5: for years and wasn't working out, you know, so he

1286
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 5: decided to team over d Wade and and CB and

1287
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 5: and the key to all of that, we'll ceb sacrifice

1288
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 5: taking a back seat and sacrificing and him taking him sacrificing.

1289
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 5: He still made the AFSAR team every year, but he

1290
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 5: still took he took a little bit off of Okay,

1291
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 5: I won't be getting the ball. I'm the third ship,

1292
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 5: you know, when obviously he goes to another team. You know,

1293
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 5: he's the main focus. You know, the key to it

1294
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Speaker 5: all was c B. He did all the little things

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Speaker 5: for us that so you need that one guy to

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Speaker 5: do that. You need the guy and then you need

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Speaker 5: that one guy to take Okay, yeah, you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna do all the little things to help us win.

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Speaker 5: And CB was that block shot, rebound the rebound to

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01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 5: kick it to Ray, to win it to to you know,

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 5: to salvage that championship opportunity. You know what I'm saying.

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01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 5: You know, because if if CB doesn't get that rebound

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01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 5: and hit Ray on the numbers and he hit that three,

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01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 5: then San Antonio wins that championship.

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Speaker 3: So don't cut me.

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01:18:51,120 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 7: He don't get that rebound, don't come down there and

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Speaker 7: my mom there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, man, that's in the top ten. Easy, come on, man,

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01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 5: that's in the top chap. Yes, for sure. Question. Let

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01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 5: me tell you what that. Let me tell you about

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01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 5: that shot when Ray, when when Ray came to Miami.

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Speaker 3: You see something.

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01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 5: When Ray came to Miami. He uh, this was hilarious.

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01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 5: He was doing this drill. When he first came to mind,

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01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 5: he was doing this drill where he would lay on

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01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 5: the floor. He had somebody passing them the ball in

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01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 5: mid air. He would get up, get up off the floor,

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01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,440
Speaker 5: catch the ball, and shoot.

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01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 5: That was his drill. We all looked at him like,

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01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,759
Speaker 5: what the hell are you doing? He lay on the floor,

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01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 5: ball to mid air, you get up, catch, shoot, okay.

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01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 5: And then he had a drill where you were backpedal.

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01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 5: Ball in me there, shoot, catch and shoot. That was

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01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 5: the drill. He had to backpedal and you know that

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01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 5: space in between, you know exactly where it was. You

1327
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 5: had to train yourself enough to be exact, not step

1328
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 5: out of bounds and not have to look down and

1329
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 5: see if your feet were behind the line. He did

1330
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 5: that a million times, and for that one shot, for

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01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 5: that one shot.

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Speaker 4: Question real quick before we get the quick hitters.

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Speaker 1: We had Vince Carter on the show a while back

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: and he said the dunk he had on you in

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01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: Miami kind of fuck your guys, friendship for a little bit,

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01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: speak for him.

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01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 5: About five years I had write advanced to my golf tournament.

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01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 5: He never came. Okay, listen, I love Vince you know,

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01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 5: I love what he's done for the game. He caught me,

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Speaker 5: But ask him how many times I blocked the shot,

1341
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 5: you know, exactly exactly so, but but he caught me.

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01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 5: I mean, this was that type of guy where and

1343
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 5: I had to. I had the ability where I would

1344
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 5: meet guys at the rim. You know, I just meet

1345
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 5: you at the rim because I had big enough hands

1346
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 5: and I had strong I was strong enough to really

1347
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 5: just catch you because I knew you were coming. You know,

1348
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 5: I knew you were coming to the rim. So I'm

1349
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 5: gonna meet you right at the rim. I will wait

1350
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 5: for you. And sometimes it was kind of risky because

1351
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 5: you get caught sometimes. But with Evince, I went up

1352
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 5: to catch his and he went up another lot. I

1353
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 5: was like, oh he went up another left, he went

1354
01:21:54,479 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 5: up one more level. You it seemed like, yeah, that

1355
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 5: was pretty nasty. Du Yeah, I'm glad it's a little

1356
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 5: blurry now, it's not in like HD. Yeah.

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01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got quick hitters. First team to come to mind.

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01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 3: Let us know my Miami heat all time starting five.

1359
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 5: Oh man, I mean that's easy. Me at the center, Uh,

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01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 5: Timmy and the point, d Wade, bron.

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Speaker 3: And c B.

1362
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 4: Top five centers of all time.

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01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 5: Oh wow, top five centers is Hakeem Kareem, m Russ,

1364
01:22:53,960 --> 01:23:09,839
Speaker 5: Bill Russell, Shack Patrick, Yeah, yeah.

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01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 4: Tougher Practice, John Thompson and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 4: One album you can listen to with no skips.

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01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 5: Uh, with no skips? Oh wow? Two I'm gonna mention too,

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01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 5: uh Eric Bean Rockham all right? And the chronic you

1370
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 5: can just let him play?

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01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, all childhood crush.

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01:23:54,439 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 5: Who's your child childhood crush? Uh? I don't know.

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01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 6: Oh?

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01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 5: Oh the good.

1375
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: Time, good time, guilty pleasure.

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01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 5: Cigar and whiskey man whiskey Yeah, man, A good cigar,

1377
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 5: a good fine double chateau and no basil hate, basil hate,

1378
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 5: basil hating neat. Yeah's doing this a while. Won't be

1379
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 5: in Miami, brother, I'm clear. I'm close to Cuba. Yeah,

1380
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 5: a lot of cigarslections.

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01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 2: Last question, if you can see one guest on our show,

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01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 2: who would it be?

1383
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: But you have to help us get your answer on

1384
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: our show? So somebody you know? Well, did you can say, hey,

1385
01:24:58,720 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: I sat down with him?

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01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 4: There was on the show.

1387
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 5: Well, we know the's somebody that I would want to

1388
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 5: see on your show. Is well, first of all, it

1389
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 5: isn't alive, you know, so I can't help him get you,

1390
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 5: but it has to be somebody alive. If you cold,

1391
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 5: you get it.

1392
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 2: In personal man, you know, let me know, I know

1393
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: you all right.

1394
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 5: So the President Obama, I would like to see you.

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01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 4: We've we've been told he's supposed to be all this.

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01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 5: Sw Yeah, like you see President Obama on your show,

1397
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 5: you know, I mean he's cool, he's got charisma. I've

1398
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 5: had a chance to spend a lot of time with

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01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 5: him and I think you know you guys would do

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01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 5: well with interviewing him.

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01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: So see person Bob Marley. Yes, so man, we appreciate

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01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: your time. Man, obviously, ultimate respect for what you've accomplished

1403
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: on and off the court and the way you continue

1404
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: to live your life.

1405
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 5: Man, Thank you, appreciate you appreciate. Hope we get some

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01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 5: group back looking forward to you know, I got to

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01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 5: get your Yeah that's about doctor King.

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01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 4: When is it?

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01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 5: So is Doctor January? Yeah, I got to get you.

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01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun. It beat a lot of.

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01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: Great Alonso morning, all the smoke you can, all the

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01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: productions YouTube and the Draft Cleans Network.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you next week.