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Speaker 1: where you stand with on X. All right, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy my favorite guy in the world, one of them.

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Speaker 1: Definitely better than Janni because, uh two reasons. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't need to drag out, I don't need to

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Speaker 1: So here he is, Kevin Murphy. I'm so glad to

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Speaker 1: see you, like kind of because we got I got.

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Speaker 1: I gotta look at you through a computer, man, which

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Speaker 1: is not my preferred way of doing this. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm the same way, And uh, good seeing you guys,

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know it's kind of strange. Just like

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Speaker 1: I remote podcast over the telephone, I had told myself,

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Speaker 1: But I am eating the words now because you guys

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Speaker 1: don't one to ten Kevin, how how bummed out are

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Speaker 1: So I love going to southern Michigan. I really do

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Speaker 1: very nice people up there, just like home folk, uh,

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Speaker 1: and lace What sort of questions was Patrick asking you

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00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: in this like interview and process, Well just kind of

431
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: you know how much you're gonna hunt? What are you

432
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: gonna do? Of course they had seen me, what the

433
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: hell's he dick? What's the hell's he dick? You do?

434
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: Has he didn't he look you up? Yeah? He did

435
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: and he saw and and that probably helped me hunting

436
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: with you two guys and see that I was a

437
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: crude dog guy. So, yeah, y'all, you guys helped me

438
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: convince them that that I was worthy of having a

439
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: really really good, top notch bird dog. He's he's very

440
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: particular about his his dogs and who they go to.

441
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: It's not you know, I think a better question. I

442
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: think a better question would be, is he worthy of

443
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: you having one of his bird dogs? Oh? I think so,

444
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: he's he's a dog man in the clan, So I

445
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: think very much, so very much. Now one's changed the

446
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: name from wings and things. Like I said, it seems

447
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: like a restaurant you finding. You know, she's got she's

448
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: got two spots owner they looked like a pair of wings.

449
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: We can we can see her right here. There's two spots.

450
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: Kind of hard to see, but they look like a

451
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: pair of wings. Look like her kidneys are sitting outside

452
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: of her body. Yeah. Yeah, she's kind of kind of

453
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: Dolpho right now. But I don't know how they come

454
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: up with that name. But you know, it's kind of

455
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: like changing the ship's name. What you get, get it?

456
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: It's bad luck to change the dog's name. She responds,

457
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: she's a very responsive dog. You know what happened? We

458
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: just got a dog for our kids, And when the

459
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: dog came from the pound, they had named it our

460
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: daughter's name. Okay, so we didn't want to have two

461
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: people named Rosie, so we had to change the dog's name. Well,

462
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: that's that's certain circumstances. I can understand that. Well, and

463
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: those dogs at the pound, they've only had those names

464
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: for hours, let alone days. That's what we thought, too,

465
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: is like the dogs that you know that that's what

466
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: they named it. It couldn't been like the horse I

467
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: bought one time that I made a deal on a

468
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: horse and then I asked the guy what his name was,

469
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: and he looked at me, and then he looked at

470
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: the horse and said his name was Star. But she

471
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: had a star on the floor. So I'm pretty sure.

472
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's where it comes from. It didn't

473
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: have a name till I asked. And you know, over

474
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: in my gully, they don't give a horses a name

475
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: over there because they might have to eat them sometimes. Oh,

476
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: I got you, so, uh yeah, I want I want

477
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: to get to this Mongolia situation. But we got a

478
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: couple of other things. When I talked to you about

479
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: what when you're yelling at that dog, what are you

480
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: gonna call it. You can't say wings and things running

481
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 1: around on the woods. I just call her wings, you know,

482
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: That's what I do. I just I just I just

483
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: holl her wings. It's kind of like, you know, but

484
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: you bad toe. I just call him, you know. Butchie,

485
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: when me and him's out, there's so uh. I shortened

486
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: it up, and a lot of times you just say

487
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: here and she'll come in, come in here. So, you know,

488
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: when I'm out hunting, especially birds and stuff, I try

489
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: to keep the communication down and use a whistle because

490
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: the animals they hear your human sound and they know

491
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: there's there's some ship up that you better be looking out,

492
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, So I try to keep you know, sometimes

493
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: squirrels don't give it down, you know. In the rabbits,

494
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: only time you need to be quiet with them is

495
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: when they're one circling back around. Other. Than that, you know,

496
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: you can talk and carry on. And that's why I

497
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: love small game hunts so much, because you'll be out

498
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: there with your friends and showing new people what's going on,

499
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: and they don't have to be super silent, you know,

500
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: and just just go to the moments where you need

501
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: to tone it down and be quiet, but of the

502
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: time you can talk and bullshit around. So yeah, I

503
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: need's got a question for you. Well, no, I'm just

504
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: gonna say that I feel like that name is fitting

505
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: because the more I think about wings and things, it's

506
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: sort of to me it means versatile. It means that

507
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: the dog is, you know, mostly on wings winged animals,

508
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: but it also was gonna hunt other things. You're very true,

509
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: that is a very good way to look at it,

510
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: because I can make this Doug pretty sure to do

511
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: anything at all. I was. I was coming home the

512
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: other night and I had baby too many gin drinks

513
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: and I was in the jeep and we were coming

514
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: down the road, you know, the long lane, and there

515
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: was a bunch of deer out there, so road that's right,

516
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: And I was just across the the field there with

517
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: my new I'm corrupting some young youth. He's twenty two

518
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: and his name's Connor, and Abbey's twenty one. And they

519
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: they think I'm a old dude. Like I said, that

520
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: can stay up past ten o'clock. And I've been over

521
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: their house hanging out. Coming home. We were in the

522
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: little c J five, my nineteen sixty five half cab

523
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: and we saw some deer, so I wings was up

524
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: on a dash looking at him. So I started chasing them,

525
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: and she started barking her ass off at him. It's

526
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: probably not a wise thing to do, because the first

527
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: next time I had her out in the field, she

528
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: she went running after some d years. But I had

529
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: to eat collar around her, so there was no big deal.

530
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, she could be very versable, very vocal. I

531
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: can make a squirrel dog out o her, no problem

532
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: at all. But Patrick would would beat me to death

533
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: if I did that, so I can't do that for

534
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: a while. Maybe raising puppies sundays out of her. But

535
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: she's she needs to be able to You're you're allowed

536
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: to breed her. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. There's

537
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: no conditions other than just to take care of the dog. Okay,

538
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: before we leave the dog, tell us what breed it is,

539
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: because I don't think we know that. She's a half

540
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: crossed between a German short hair porner and an English parner.

541
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: So a little thirty two pound dogs. She was the

542
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: smallest the run of the letter, A little female um so,

543
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: very unique dog. I wanted a small dog, nothing large

544
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: to take you know, have to U up kick. I

545
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: like beagles and small squirrel dogs, so I'm not a

546
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a big dog guy forty five pound dogs.

547
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: She probably weighs a little bit less than forty pounds.

548
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: I haven't weighed lately. But I like a small dog

549
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: with lots of finesse, and she's certainly meets that that

550
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: credentials for that. All right, what I thought you wanted

551
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: to ask about, Yanni, was, uh, if you could be

552
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: get out after the turkey's Kevin. You know you can

553
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: make a turkey dog out or two, There's no doubt.

554
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: And I've got a buddy in West Virginia and that's

555
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: all he asked me. Said, many of you had that

556
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: porters after a turkey. He's a turkey dog hunter, and

557
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: that's on my list to do, is go man, my kid,

558
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: My kid has fired up about the prospects of fall

559
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: turkey hunting with a dog. Yes, he thinks that sounds

560
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: like how a person should spend his time. You know,

561
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm right with him. I'm voting with him. Uh. You know,

562
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: during ticks attract come to me like I don't know why,

563
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: some kind of firmones or something I generate, but I've

564
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: already picked out probably like thirty or forty off of

565
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: me this year already. I hate being out there in

566
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: the woods this time of year. But turkey hunting with

567
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: a dog, anything with a doll or animal, that's that's

568
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: what gets me fired up. Yeah, any whatever happen does

569
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: applying for like Land between the Lakes turkey tags that

570
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: we of up on that, yeah, we never did it.

571
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: Oh hey, you know what I just drew, Kevin, check

572
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: this out just today. I drew UH for New Mexico.

573
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: I drew an X tag okay, feral or you know

574
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: around New Mexico. I drew an off range X tag

575
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: that's good for June. Mm hmm, hot as hot. And

576
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: then I drew ah, I drew a female ibex tag

577
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: for next February. Right right, that's that's You're very lucky now.

578
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: So no, you haven't done any regular turkey hunt in

579
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: the spring now now, not eating not. I just doesn't

580
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: you know. After I go through hunting season and usually

581
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: kind of wore out and stuff, and it just does

582
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: not intrigue me. Everybody's trying to get me to go

583
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: and do at you know, and I love hearing a

584
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: big gobbler gobble and I might go some I've got

585
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: the sportsman tag, so I've got a turkey tag and

586
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: all that. So when everybody gets it out of the system,

587
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: I might go out there and piddle around and take

588
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: a gun and mess around something. But now I haven't

589
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: been been turkey hunting whatsoever. Yeah, so I may end

590
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: up going to get bored and whatever, do a little

591
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: prospect and see what's going out in up the woods.

592
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 1: But I'll give to everybody else first and let them

593
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: kind of get burned out that I might go one

594
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: of the tail in and mess around a little bit.

595
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: So I've got no skills a turkey hunter. I can't

596
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: stay still, so I'm still leaving with my bad knee

597
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: moving around too much. So I leave that for the

598
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: for the turkey hunters. So explain the main thing I wanted.

599
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: We wanted to get here, and we've been trying to

600
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: get you on to talk about this quite a while.

601
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: How how you recently got back from a trip to Mongolia?

602
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: How did how'd that come on your radar? Like, I know,

603
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: you've got like a lot of wanderlust, and that's one

604
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: of the reasons I love you, is you got a

605
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: lot of wanderlust, but your wanderlust is usually more targeted

606
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: towards you know, driving around the country chasing small game

607
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: credits around. How did it come to be that you

608
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: thought that you had to go all held over to Mongolia? Well, um,

609
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: what you said? I retired twenty eleven. Uh, grew up

610
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: always wanted to go, you know, to Canada walleye fishing,

611
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: or go out West Kansas South Dakota pheasant hunting, and

612
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: never had the resources to do that. So they as

613
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: I got established and older, and then it retired. Um,

614
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: I had some friends and went to Canada, been to

615
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: Maine a couple of times, up in the up Drummond

616
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: Island hunting, um so and um drumming and snows your

617
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: hairs snowsho hair grouse. Yes, yeah, yeah in in those dudes. Man,

618
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: that's a special place right there. A snowshoe hare will

619
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: run four to six miles up there on that island

620
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: before you get it. You know, it is something to

621
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: kill a snowshoe on drumming. They run and running. Your

622
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: your ship better be in shape, or those those hairs

623
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: will run your dogs to death if you're not careful.

624
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: I've got some buddies from West Virginia. They've got it

625
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: figured out. I've teamed up there with them and we

626
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: had an absolutely fabulous time running the snow shoes up there,

627
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: um September early October. Oh so yeah, not not in

628
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: the middle of winter now now, you know, there's no

629
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: hunting season. That's kind of a preteen for them to

630
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: head north until their season comes in, and uh, sometimes

631
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: it's a little bit warm. But we had an outstanding hunt.

632
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Two years ago. The rabbits turned color yether. They're still brown.

633
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: They are just starting to turn just a little bit,

634
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, on their bellies on the underside. So yeah,

635
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: I've never seen a true snowshoe, you know, solid white,

636
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: But for my adventures to a Michigan and and Maine,

637
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: they've always been, um, just kind of starting to turn.

638
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: I did hunt snowshoe one time in Maine. My first

639
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: time I forgot that was probably like twenty sixteen. Yeah,

640
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: I think, uh just hired an outfit ter to go

641
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: and hunt. Hunt snowshoe. Totally different than running swamp rabbits

642
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: or cotton tails. They stay in the shadows all the time.

643
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: They won't get out hardy in the open at all,

644
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: you've got to get right in there and get right

645
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: on the track. Pretty much, they're hard to predict what

646
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna do unless you've got a good GPS and

647
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: you see the dog track. So it's a it's a

648
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: little bit different hunting than than our ore dumb cotton

649
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: tails and the sleeks swamp rabbits that we have. We

650
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: used to get them with very limited success late in

651
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: the winter with snow shoes, wearing snowshoes, pushing them, trying

652
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: to drive them. Just break the habitat up into chunks

653
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: and try to drive them out. And if we go

654
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: out and get one or two, we'd be all excited. Yeah. Well,

655
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, you pretty much look on

656
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: the GPS and we have to run our dogs from

657
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: four to six miles. You can pretty much average that

658
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: per rabbit, and so you know, you might have two

659
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: races in the morning, take a pack of dogs and

660
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: let them rest and then bring another pack out that afternoon,

661
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: or just let them rest. So it's a it's you know,

662
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: it's quite it's quite interesting to see a rabbit go

663
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: that far for that long. You know, have you know,

664
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: five to eight nine beagle hounds, you know, pounding after

665
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: the things. So are truly truly enjoyed. And is that

666
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: a four or six mile loop that they're doing or

667
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: because that multiple loops, multiple loops, and that's how you

668
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: know you can you can usually pin them down. You

669
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: look on your GPS and see that track and try

670
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: to get something more close on that track so you

671
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: can kill them, because you know you're in that that

672
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: conn for forest, so you can't see very far at all,

673
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: Like you know, a ten twelve yard shot is about

674
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: in a lot of times, so you just try to

675
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: get somewhere where you think you can. You can be

676
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: on that rabbits track, blow your GPS up as as

677
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: big as it goes, and try to find, you know,

678
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: a couple of loops when the dogs that brought him

679
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: through there and standing right there and then next thing

680
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, he's come twenty five yards or fifty yards

681
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: down the road from me or whatever. So they're pretty crafty,

682
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: very crafty, uh for for a rabbit. So I enjoy

683
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: it truly to have a pack of dogs and try

684
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: to outsmart you know, something with a brain about the

685
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: size of probably a on a walnut. Sometimes they win,

686
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: sometimes I win. All right, let's get back this. Uh,

687
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: I no idea reality there the Mongolia. So you've traveled

688
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: around a bit right, went to South Africa and you

689
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: know everything's high fenced over there. I saw some score earles.

690
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: After about six or seven days, I said, man, it

691
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: would be a shame that I come all the way

692
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: to South Africa and not getting me a squirrel. So

693
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: I asked the people that we were staying with us,

694
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: I want to kill a squirrel, and they thought I

695
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: was kidding, and so, uh, nobody's ever asked to kill

696
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: a squirrel. You know, I think I was the first

697
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: one ever killed any Egyptian geese. I think you posted

698
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: those uh that I was they were eating, and that

699
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: we killed those. Over there. We barrored some decoys from

700
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: some rednecks South Africans and set up at an irrigation pivot.

701
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: Raymond and I, he's my wing man. Um, he's been

702
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: to uh South Africa. Then we went to a nickel

703
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: rodwood to shoot some white winged doves uh and killed

704
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: some Yucatan black throated Uh. Bob White's down there. Uh.

705
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna go after some tree ducks and never did

706
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: get any of those. The wind was going so bad

707
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: and then I went to Costa Rica caught a hundred

708
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: pounds sailfish, and then I wanted to go on a truly,

709
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: truly adventure. So that's how we ended up with Mongoli.

710
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: Had just started scrolling through the Internet thinking of things

711
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: to do, and I had been fascinated by falconry. I've

712
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: got a young friend up in KANKI keep Illinois Clayton

713
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: that you post a picture of him and I we

714
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: had caught a red tail hawk just for him to

715
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: show me how how how easy it was to catch

716
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: a bird of prey. And uh, I don't want to

717
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: be a slave to a bird. I want to be

718
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: a consumer like the rest of my buddies when they

719
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: go rabbit hunt and I keep them for three sixty

720
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: five days a year, and then maybe they go rabbit

721
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: hunt with me two or three times a year, you know,

722
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: and have a good time. And that's the way I

723
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: am with a bird of prey. Would not want to

724
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: own one, be like owning a snake that eats every day.

725
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: So uh, I found it very fascinating uh to go

726
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: over there and just you know, got on the internet

727
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: and started scrolling through looking for somebody who uh an

728
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: outfit or something, got some references and UH called some

729
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: people up from the U S had been over there.

730
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: And there's one guy, his name was Mark and he

731
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: had been over there, and Uh, I kind of asked him, said, hey, mr, Uh,

732
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: what kind of adventures have you been on? He said, Well,

733
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: Sunny Boy said, when I was about eighteen, I was

734
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: over in the Micon Delta wait around. I said, thank you,

735
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: sir for your service, and I appreciate it very very greatly.

736
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: And that's all the information that I need. And there

737
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: was a couple of vendorians out in California. They've been

738
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: over there twice, and so I talked to them, I

739
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: think via email or whatever, and just you know, UH

740
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: just decided what was going to go on an adventure

741
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: and that's truly what we did. It was an adventure

742
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: that started on I got off work at a project

743
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: on the Friday the twenty September, got up the next

744
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: morning on the twenty one of September at three thirty,

745
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: went to the Nashville Airport, flew to Atlanta, Atlanta to

746
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: Soul Korea, Soul Korea to Ulan Batar, and then Ulan

747
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: Batar to Cove and then drove to g so at

748
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: about four thirty Tuesday afternoon, we rode into the eagles camp.

749
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: So it was quite the adventure just getting in there.

750
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: Got handed off by probably with nine different people. You know.

751
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: They was out there, uber mass around there was archichects engineers.

752
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense to me. I've got a

753
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: like a story that would last for ever on that part,

754
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: but very good people enjoyed it very much. I plan

755
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: on going back and uh probably a year or two

756
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: and go down and Gobi buy me a new motorcycle

757
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: righting around for five to eight days, and then go

758
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: back and see the eagle hunters that I spent ten

759
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: days in the desert with. So explain these the eagle hunters.

760
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: They're not hunting four eagles now. Um. I had the

761
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: opportunity to meet like six different eagle hunters out there

762
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: and they're uh, they're from Kazahstan that came into the

763
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: southern tip of Mongolia. Uh. Mongolia is population of about

764
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: three in people and they become a democratic in the

765
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: early nineties, about ninety two. And Mongolia to give you

766
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: an example of how big it is. You started at Cincinnati,

767
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: OHI go to Salt Lake City Utah. That would be

768
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: from you know, left to right, and then the top

769
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: would be Nebraska on the Hall of Nebraska down to Dallas, Texas.

770
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: And only three million people live in that land mass.

771
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: You know. Here in Kentucky, I think we've got to

772
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: four point eight million. I thinks what's in Kentucky. So

773
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: you've got all this land mass and you've got only

774
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: three million people out there. I think Montgolie is the

775
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: uh highest elevation occupied occupied country in the world. Uh.

776
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: So you know we were always I think above a

777
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: mile high. And Ulan Batar is you be as people

778
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: call it as I call it. Uh, it's got like

779
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: one point for million people. You know, half the population

780
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: lives in one city over there, and that really the

781
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: other the other half. When to get in there, they've

782
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: got seven coal fire power plants cranking out admissions, uh,

783
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: putting a strain on all the drinking water. I met

784
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: some environmental engineers is over there working on a project

785
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: to take the water from their wastewater plant, use it

786
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: for cooling water at the electrical plants, and then uh

787
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: use their their fresh water for a drinking water system.

788
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: So I'm out, you know, meeting people and looking for

789
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: maybe a future job or whatever. I was like younger,

790
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: I think I would go over there for a while

791
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: and work. I just fell in love with the country

792
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: with the people were so nice. Uh, it's very vast

793
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: um you know. Me, we've been hunted with. Usually I'm

794
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: the first one or so to see some kind of animal.

795
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: And I got over and I got stressed because they

796
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: were seeing all these animals and I was not seeing

797
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: it because it is just so vast out through there.

798
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Uh so what what what what makes the eagle hunter

799
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: eagle hunter? The fact? Okay, you know they're born into

800
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: the into that family of eagle hunters. Uh. Opposedly, there's

801
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: somewhere less than you know, three hundred some people say,

802
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: like a hundred true eagle hunters left in the world.

803
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: And they'll go out and uh uh. Four of the

804
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: eagle hunters that that I met, they wrote out like

805
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: seventy five miles to the mountains and they robbed a

806
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: young uh pump eagle as they call it, from the nest.

807
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: And they'll get the biggest eagle that's in there, that's

808
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: a female. They use the female to hunt with and

809
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: then they'll bring it back home and then they will

810
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: train it uh to work for them. Um. And I

811
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: didn't get into really a lot of detail how they

812
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: did that, but I ordered a couple of books from

813
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: National Geographic and I saw one picture and read a

814
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: short article that said that after they robbed the bird

815
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: from the nest, they bring it home and put it

816
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: on like a clothesline, and and the bird was set

817
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: there and flop and stay upright. And then when the

818
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: bird lost all of its drive to stay upright and

819
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: turned upside down, then that's when the eagle hunter would

820
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: go in full with it. And then he broke its

821
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: spirit and he would bring it back and and train it,

822
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: feed it, and it become a companion uh with them

823
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: to hunt. You know, there's their natural instinct to hunt

824
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: their raptors. They want to use their talents as far

825
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: as they're beak for a defense weapon. There. You know,

826
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: I saw, you know, I met several different eagles over

827
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: there and mess around with them just a little bit.

828
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: Not once did any of them trying to pick any

829
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: of us or do anything. But their talents are very

830
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: very deadly lots of p s I as far as force,

831
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, they can kill a small a small wolf

832
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: pup you know if need be, But foxes and rabbits,

833
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, no problem at all for them to uh

834
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: to kill a Mongoldian fox or a rabbit over there.

835
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: And these are golden eagles. Golden eagles, yes, yes, female

836
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: female golden eagles. Wingspan about six foot way about you know,

837
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: fourteen pounds and uh when you see pictures of these guys,

838
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: they're always on like they seem to have a giant bird.

839
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: And the dinky horse, yes, very small mountain horse. It's

840
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: it's it's golden in the mountains out across the flat desert.

841
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: Not worth a damn in my opinion. But those dudes, man,

842
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: they've got full wheel drive. They'll go on a wonder

843
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: one slope anywhere you point them. They're like a mountain goat.

844
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: I mean they can really digging and go. Their asks

845
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: is scared to death of a stream. Hell, they want

846
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: even cross something that's like, you know, a foot wide,

847
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: unless they see where another horse or another animal has crossed.

848
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: You gotta get on their ass and get on them

849
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: pretty hard to make them go through water. They do

850
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: not like that. But yeah, they're on. No small Mongolians

851
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: hype forces very stable. I went out there and they

852
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: had three uh staked out, so you know, I feel

853
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: with horses a little bit. So two of them had

854
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: their heads down at the ground, not paying intention, and

855
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: they had one to head his head up. I checked

856
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: him out and I just grabbed him as my horse.

857
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: So I kept him for ten days and I made

858
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: a good choice. There's no doubt in my mind that

859
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: I got the best out of those three horses. Now,

860
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: the thing about people that are into falconry here in

861
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: the US at least is uh, you know, you know

862
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, you're not really like hunting

863
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: to get meat, you know, I mean you're not getting

864
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: that much stuff. What you do get the birds messing

865
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: with it. And you know you're not like filling the

866
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: freezer with as a as someone who's into falconry. That's fair.

867
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: You think that's a fair statement, Oh very much. So

868
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, I went on this trip and I read

869
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: a book called Eagle Dreams. Uh. I forgot the author.

870
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: He's a hunter, dog guy whatever, But I read that

871
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 1: book and he made one trip early in the after

872
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: they've become democratic, and they never called anything, so I

873
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: knew you going in there. I did a little research

874
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: that most likely that we might not catch anything, but

875
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: hunting is more than that. Yeah. But but but but

876
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: but but my question is these dudes, these these eagle

877
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: hunters in Mongolia, they're just like practicing falcony. Are they

878
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Are they using it because they're hunting stuff because they

879
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: want to eat it? Uh, It's in their heritage, in

880
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: their blood, you know. They they don't believe in killing

881
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of animals. You know, they were satisfied just

882
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: going out and with their eagle on her shoulder and

883
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: getting after some stuff and flying it and they don't

884
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: have to kill anything. I showed up some of the

885
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: pictures of like a some epic rabbit hunts and squirrel

886
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: hunts that that I had been on it. They just

887
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of shook their heads. And then there was one uh,

888
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: like like filling hotel gates up full of rabbits and

889
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: stuff and they speak to them. There was We went

890
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: to the Eagle Festival and we had a private concert

891
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: from some musicians there and they had one song and

892
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: it was about a mother getting on her son for

893
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: killing a lot of animals. He had the kill lust

894
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: as a lot of young people do. Uh, And I

895
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: did at one time in my life. But the song

896
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: was written about that he was going out and killing

897
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: two media animals and uh, they they had their instruments

898
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: tied in with some like some little puppet things. But

899
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: it was pretty It was very very intriguing and to

900
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: hear that song to kind of go in with some

901
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: culture that I had already experienced, so I knew, I

902
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: knew what they thought a true hunter, and then they

903
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: had a song to go along with it. So that

904
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: was that was something very unique from m. Did their ancestors,

905
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: like you use this method to as like a primary

906
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: way to secure protein like ever? Or is it always

907
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: just been sort of more of a you know, not novelty,

908
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: you like, an ornamental type of a hunt. You know,

909
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: they've very got a very close bond with all types

910
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: of animals. Uh. You know, they had dogs that would

911
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: would sleep all day and bark all night. And I

912
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: saw some cats that were just tathered up. But they

913
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: brought that from Khakistan. Uh And I don't really know

914
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: the relationship how far that goes back. You know, there're nomads.

915
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: I think it probably was a way for them secure

916
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: food at one time, you know, back in their heritage,

917
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: and they just kept it going because you know, as

918
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: far as guns and weapons and stuff, they were very

919
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: limited on what they could do, you know, bows and airs,

920
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: Genghis Khan, whatever. But when you've got a bird of

921
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: prey that can come out of the sky after a rabbit,

922
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: I would say that at one time in their lifetime

923
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: that they probably were used very beneficial to help them

924
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: be uh be hunters and gathers and live off the land.

925
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: You know, they have a very harsh environment that they

926
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: live in. Go up in the mountains and live in

927
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: a yurt, a felt tent our gear or whatever we

928
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: want to call it, and then spend the whole summertime

929
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: up there and then come down in the valley because

930
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: the winters are so severe, you know, like a minus

931
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: seventy degrease fahrenheit uh is how they gets So. Yes,

932
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: they are very you know, very hardy type people there.

933
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: And I could see it sometime in the history of

934
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: those guys that that they use that bird of prey

935
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: to help them survive and get through. And it's kind

936
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: of like you know with a squirrel dog. You know,

937
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: at one time in history that was a vital part

938
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: of a person's house to have a squirrel dog. And

939
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: they were multipurpose. They you know, protect the stock, was

940
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: a guard dog at their house whatever, and helped them

941
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: to gather food and maybe herd cattle or or livestock,

942
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: kept varman's away from the chickens. So I look as

943
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: an eagle as being part of their history that they

944
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: just keep going and at one time point in time

945
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: it's it was it paid its way by by catching

946
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: um meat for the table. What are the primary things

947
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: they like to go for? Like what they like to

948
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: use these eagles to hunt for. Uh, there's like two

949
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: or three different kind of foxes over there, and then

950
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: they have the snowshoe hair. Um. Um, there's also they

951
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: got some kind of wolf. Right, they've got some wolves

952
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: over there, and um the homestead that we stayed with

953
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: our dock is the eagle hunter I was with there.

954
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: They told me we've been there three or four or

955
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: five six nights or something there that a pack of

956
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: wolves had came into the valley and killed a hundred

957
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: and fifty goats and sheep, and that they thought that

958
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: it was a she wolf teaching the cubs how to kill.

959
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: And then after being there for like fourteen days, I

960
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: found the only are one of the only squirrel hunters

961
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: in all of Mogoli and found some trees and we

962
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: were driving up the valley that morning, Well you had been,

963
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: we had been. Like Tuesday, we come into Eagle Camp

964
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: and we spent that week there, and then the following

965
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: Tuesday we left out on a four day journey across

966
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: the desert on the horseback to go to the eagle

967
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: Festival in Noogi and uh we did that. We came

968
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: into town for two days for the eagle festival. We

969
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: were supposed to go back out and spend some time

970
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: with the eagle festival, but the people that were in

971
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: charge of us. I asked him, said can we do something? Says,

972
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: we have been out ten days with the best eagle

973
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: hunter and all of Mongoli, and to go with another

974
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: eagle hunter would probably most likely be a disappointment. So

975
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: can we do something else? Can we sight sees? What

976
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: I asked him? He says, would you like to go

977
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: see some some red stag? I said yes, I would

978
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: like that very much. So they picked us up at

979
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: seven thirty on Monday morning and on a fore Runner

980
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: and we went to a gas station to get some

981
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: petrol and I watched them as the the fore runner.

982
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: Uh gas tink clicked off. The two dudes got up

983
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: on the back bumper and burped the tank to get

984
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: an extra leader to a gasoline in the tank. I

985
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: knew right then that we were going to go on

986
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: a true adventure that day, just trying to get a

987
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, three point eight leaders to the gallon. And

988
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: they would just get a couple more leaders of gasoline

989
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: in the tank. And we rolled in about midnight that

990
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: night and across the desert and we might come to

991
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: an intersection and they would be like five roads and

992
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: they would stop and they would look at those roads,

993
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: and I got to figure it out. They always kept

994
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 1: the moon on the rights the right shoulder all the time,

995
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: all the way back through you know who it was

996
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: there abouty have been a black type road right out there,

997
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, five miles away, and they just took us

998
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: across country to give us, you know, our money's worth.

999
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: But and we certainly did. And I highly recommend if

1000
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: anybody's an adventure to go to Mongolia and spend some time.

1001
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: But we went up the valley and looking for this

1002
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: certain eagle hunter that knew about these stags. And as

1003
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: we were going up through there I saw a small

1004
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: herd of horses, and I saw this little black horse

1005
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: with its left rear flank with meat hanging in the wind.

1006
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: It was shredded, and it looked to me like a

1007
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: wolf had tried to bring that hamstring that horse and

1008
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: bring it down and it ran off. I didn't have

1009
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: time to take a picture, and we finally we found

1010
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: the eagle hunter, and then through the interpreter, I asked

1011
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: it was that a wolf that had tried to eat

1012
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: that little black horse up the valley there, and he said, yes,

1013
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: it was a wolf. So you know, wolfs are constant

1014
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: threat for him. You would see, uh, scarecrows out around

1015
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: the campsite. They would bring their livestock in around camp

1016
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: at night and the dogs would bark all night and

1017
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: you would hear them barking and stuff. They would have

1018
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: scarecrow set up and up on the ridges they would

1019
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: have like little rock men set up to scare away

1020
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: the wolves. But that was pretty predominant all through the

1021
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: area that we stayed in to see scarecrows, rockman. Everybody

1022
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: had a dog that slept all day and barked all night. Uh.

1023
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: So it was it was a true true adventure that

1024
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: I will, you know, just always think about and want

1025
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: to go back and do something again over there. So

1026
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: when you struck off to go when you struck off

1027
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: to go hunting, like, how did that play out? You

1028
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: ride off into a good area, you're looking for what

1029
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: you're trying to visually see it. Um, you know we

1030
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: started out, you know, not knowing us whatever. So the

1031
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: first first day we do we do practice to see

1032
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: if we can ride horses, because some people come over

1033
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: there shift they can't ride a horse. That the guide

1034
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: told us. Man, I'm so glad that you guys can

1035
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: can ride a horse. And so we strike off across

1036
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: the desert where it's flat and just see if you

1037
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: could ride a horse. So I have no problem. Raymond,

1038
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: my wing man, is with me, and he sneaks his

1039
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: wife and Tammy at the last minute there the month

1040
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: or two before we leave, and she's going with us.

1041
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: Be course, she's a nurse. I'm thinking, man, that's a

1042
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: good idea to have a nurse nurse on board. So

1043
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: the three of us take off, you know, out across

1044
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: the desert, just riding flat ground, seeing how we do.

1045
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: And then we go up into the mountains like the foothills,

1046
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: and then we start looking for animals and the foxes

1047
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: and stuff. They like to stay around the livestock, you know,

1048
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: because the rabbits feel safe around the livestock. And there's

1049
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: this uh coal mainland of you know, creatures, their food

1050
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: chain type deal. So so we're out looking up on

1051
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: the mountaintops there and we spend the first day with

1052
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: the eagle hunter, and I stayed with his ask like

1053
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: everywhere he goes, I'm bred there on me, you know,

1054
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: riding the horse trying to see something, trying to see

1055
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: a fox, and he says he sees with some a

1056
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: couple of times, but I never see it. But we're

1057
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: trying up in the up in the mountains. It's pretty treacherous.

1058
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: It's pretty steep ship there with shale and rock and

1059
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: all that. You do not want to tumble off the

1060
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: horse because it would be bad news. But I think

1061
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: that first day he saw the how interesting I was

1062
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: to try to catch something, and I can stay with him.

1063
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: Then the next day we go hunting. He recruits two

1064
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: more eagle hunters out of the valley, and that day

1065
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: we do get after a fox and have three eagles

1066
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: in the air. After the fox and uh uh. They

1067
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: we see the fox run out, and then the three

1068
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: eagle hunters, like the foxes is booking away from you.

1069
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: Right right, we're coming up the Cyber Mountain and they

1070
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: say fox, fox, Fox, and I'm looking and I don't

1071
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: see anything because everything's mono tone there. And finally I

1072
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: see a little grass at the top of a ridge

1073
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: and I see the fox coming over in silhouette across

1074
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: the ridge. So I see him then for the first time,

1075
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: and then he's over to the right, you know, to

1076
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: or three hundred yards, and then all of a sudden,

1077
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: we circle back around to the left. And I'm not

1078
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: a I'm not a mountain to guy at all, you know,

1079
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm flat land, swamp, river bottom, rolling hills type dude.

1080
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: So we've we've come around the left side of the

1081
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: uh the mountain. We're on horseback, and then we post

1082
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: up and then the fox he pops out of like

1083
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: a ravine at the bottom, and then they take off

1084
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: after him on this one to one slope and I'm thinking, ship,

1085
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: it's pretty damn steep, but I'm gonna trust my horse

1086
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: and I go on. Well, the guide in Raymond and

1087
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: Tammy they stay behind. They it's too steep for them.

1088
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: So I take off after the eagle hunter's ass, and

1089
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: they put the three birds in the air, and then

1090
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: I see two birds dive bombing down over the next ridge.

1091
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: I think it man, they've got him over there. So

1092
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: I right over the ridge and there's two eagles on

1093
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: the ground and they look like they're fighting something. Well,

1094
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: they're fighting each other. They missed the fox. And then

1095
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: the young eagle, the third eagle, he flies off because

1096
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: he's not he's being trained. He's kind of like a

1097
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 1: young dog, so he flies off, and then I decide

1098
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna gonna ride off with the eagle hunters. So

1099
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: he gets mad at me and scolds me. He cannot

1100
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: speak any English. So I finally understand that I stayed

1101
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: there with the two the two eagle hunters, and they

1102
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: get their birds apart and get them back on their horses. Now,

1103
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: why are the dog Why are the birds fighting? Um?

1104
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: I guess just because they're predatorial. They missed the fox,

1105
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: so you know, they die bomb from from hyping the atmosphere,

1106
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: and and they just barely missed him. I didn't see

1107
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: that part of it. So they're just kind of like

1108
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: two dogs you know that gets after a critter and

1109
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: then hell there's no critter, so they get after each other.

1110
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: So you know, so it's just, uh, you know, one

1111
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: of those rare things that that happened that you know,

1112
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: fox is pretty wildly and then you come from the

1113
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: top and then you gotta taken and granted that the

1114
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: birds this is the first of hunting season. Uh, they're

1115
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: out of shape. They're fat, it's warm, they're not that hungry.

1116
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: But the main thing is they're out of shape. They're

1117
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: not conditioned for this. And I kind of I read

1118
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: about that in the book, saying that if you really

1119
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: want to catch something, you did to go over there

1120
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: in the cold winter time when everything is in shape

1121
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: and you've got snow on the ground and critters stand out,

1122
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, they can see, they can pinpoint what's going on.

1123
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: Was that the was that the soul encounter you guys

1124
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: had with the game animal. Oh now, oh now, now

1125
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: that was like the oh I guess it was a

1126
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: second or third day that we would been there, and

1127
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: then we went out a couple other times and the

1128
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: eagle hunter said he saw a fox, but I never

1129
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: I never did see it. But I believe you uh. Um.

1130
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: But when we started our trek out, we've been there

1131
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: seven days. We went fishing, two days, we called some grailing.

1132
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: One day that was my first grayling, and we fried

1133
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: it up and cooked it, ate the caviar the eggs

1134
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: out of it. It was very very good. But when

1135
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: we started our trek across country the first day, I

1136
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: don't think we caught anything or got after anything. We

1137
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: spent the night with a family as we go, in

1138
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: a their mud and log hut, just you know, the

1139
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: three of us in there with the They had two

1140
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: kids and then two uh the couple, so there was

1141
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: uh seven of us in just a little room of

1142
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, probably fifteen by fifteen. And I slept in

1143
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: the bed for the first time and probably uh seven

1144
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: days when those old timey spring tight beds with no

1145
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: mattress or anything on it, so it felt like a Cadillac,

1146
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: like a water bed. I've been sleeping on the ground

1147
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: the whole time. Uh. We would burn cal dunk and

1148
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: Campbell dunk and maybe a couple of lunks of coal

1149
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: at night during the adventure when we were at the

1150
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: Eagle Hunter's house, and uh, finally one night the wind

1151
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: would get up it got up so bad that it

1152
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: blew the top out of our our gear, and the

1153
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: stone pipe was flapping in the wind, and they was

1154
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: fred he was gonna burn down. So they took the

1155
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: stove outside and we moved in the actual eagle hunter's

1156
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: house and spent the last two days. But the first

1157
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: day on our trick, we didn't get after anything. And

1158
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: the second day, uh, we got after a fox or two.

1159
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: But the third day we got after. We were coming

1160
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: and they said we was gonna ride up was riding

1161
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: that through the desert and we wrote up on this

1162
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: little mountain. They said we might get after a owl here. Now,

1163
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: when I first caught that an owl, yes, and now

1164
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: I said, I'm ready to catch a field mouse. I'm

1165
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: ready to catch something, it doesn't matter what it is.

1166
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: So when I first got there, I started looking at

1167
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: all the vehicles and the motorcycles. Everything had feathers tied

1168
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: to it. And I asked the guy that, so, what's

1169
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: all these chicken feathers on your handlebars of your motorcycle

1170
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: in your rear view mirror. He says, Oh, it's a

1171
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: sacred animal, the owl. It protects us, and we kind of,

1172
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, we look after the al. I said, well

1173
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: where do you where do you get all these feathers

1174
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: at He said, well, we get them from dead owl. So,

1175
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, you just don't ask some some questions that

1176
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: people to go into detail. And I found out just

1177
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: because someone can speak English better than me and answer

1178
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: my questions, that they know what in the hell uh

1179
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: they're talking about, and I know what they were talking about.

1180
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: So I just kind of dropped it. And we got

1181
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: over there and we had three eagle hunters with us,

1182
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: our guide, and then we had we picked up a

1183
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: flusher boy and his job was to write. If we

1184
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: were on top of the mountain, he would ride at

1185
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: the bottom and try to flush a fox or rabbit

1186
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: out for us. Or if we were on the bottom

1187
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: of the mountain, he would be at the top trying

1188
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: to flush something out or roll off a boulder the

1189
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: size of a of a worship machine or what a

1190
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: recould or throw rocks. So we were we were down

1191
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the mountain and he was rolling

1192
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: off boulders and ship coming off there trying to drive

1193
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: this this owl out of this crevice. Yeah, I was

1194
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: kind of it was kind of sketchy, you know, what

1195
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: was going on, but I was enjoying it. I was ready.

1196
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: And then I saw this the first time I saw

1197
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: an animal. The first one I spotted a red fox.

1198
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: I castle kazack foxes, and they've got three different kinds

1199
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: over there, and I'm not for sure which which one

1200
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: this was, but I saw this fox and I started

1201
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: pointing to him and telling him fox, fox, fox, But

1202
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: they would pay no attention to me. And I got

1203
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: mad because I finally saw an animal on my own

1204
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: and they didn't want to. They didn't want they wanted

1205
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: this out. So finally the flusher boy ran this owl

1206
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: out from under this rock crevice. It flew out, but

1207
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: it would never get over you know, five or six

1208
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: feet off the ground, just you know how owls they

1209
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: fly low to the ground. And then we turned the

1210
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: eagles loose, and we had three eagles after it, and

1211
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: it went around the mountain like three times with us

1212
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: trying to flush it out of these crevices, throwing rocks,

1213
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: whatever we had to do. And then the last time

1214
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: that I saw that owl going around the bend of

1215
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: that mountain, it had three golden eagles after it, and

1216
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: then two crows or ravens come in. I don't know

1217
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: where they flew in from them, but they were on

1218
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: the tail of of of the Golden eagles. And then

1219
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: it had five Mongolians on horseback and then just Raymond

1220
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: and I two Americans, And I don't think there's anybody

1221
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: in the world that's ever experienced that that type of

1222
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: hunting experience where you've got you've got an owl, three

1223
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: Golden Eagles, two ravens, five Mongolians, and two Americans on

1224
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: horseback trying to catch a critter. So the owl got away.

1225
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, you know, um, the eagles didn't stand

1226
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: a chance because that thing was only like five ft

1227
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: off the ground and they couldn't get enough altitude up

1228
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: to dive bombed down and get that. But it was

1229
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: truly something very unique to witness that to be a

1230
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: part of it, experiencing on horseback up on the side

1231
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: of a mountain. Everything was kind of sketchy, you know,

1232
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: their gear in their tack. If I had that ship

1233
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: at my house, I would throw it away. And it's

1234
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: like a like a kids, like a kid that's saying

1235
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: a lot. You're exactly right. My big toe would go

1236
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: on the stirrups. You know, they were afraid that somebody

1237
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: was gonna get hung up in the stirrups. Their reins

1238
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,959
Speaker 1: were like a shoelace, and and the girt they didn't

1239
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: even do tie a girt note there. They would just

1240
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: make one rap around And it was like two or

1241
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: three days before even noticed that. You know, that was

1242
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: kind of sketchy all their equipment there, but it held up,

1243
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I made it back. But we left

1244
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: that mountain and we we people would just come out

1245
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: of nowhere, I mean out of nowhere, but Mongolians are

1246
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: constantly have binoculars and their glass and all the time

1247
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: looking for something in the distance. And people would ride

1248
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: up on a motorcycle or horseback or whatever and talked

1249
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: to us, or they talked to the eagle hunters. And

1250
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: some dude come in on a horseback and he told

1251
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: us it was a family of foxes on the next mountain.

1252
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: So we rolled over there, and uh, we got after,

1253
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: We got after two foxes over there, and uh we

1254
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: ran around the side of a mountain and one of

1255
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: them he froze up at the tip of the mountain,

1256
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: and uh, the eagle hunter saw him, and the guide

1257
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: saw him. So we came over and we got off

1258
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: the horses and we walked over to the edge and

1259
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: he was down probably about a hundred yards or so,

1260
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: just frozen because he didn't want to move because there

1261
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: was an eagle in the air. And finally we were

1262
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: all looking at him, and we gave him the stink high.

1263
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: You know how animals are, you've been out before, when

1264
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: everybody starts staring at something, animals feel that a lot

1265
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: of times, I mean they do. And so we all

1266
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: started staring at that fox, and he finally bolted and

1267
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: he ran down the mountain and there was a herd

1268
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: of sheets and goats down there, and he ran through them.

1269
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: They turned the other two eagles loose, and that fox

1270
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: he headed into a head wind to the next mountain.

1271
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: So we got three eagles in the air. A fox

1272
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: running wide open across the desert plain headed to the

1273
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Speaker 1: next mountain, which is over a mile away. We've got

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01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: three eagles on his ass there. Well, the first eagle,

1275
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: he peters out about just a quarter away and turns

1276
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: around and comes back. The other one stays with him

1277
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: about halfway and comes back, and then the third one

1278
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: is on him, but he's in a head wind and

1279
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: he cannot he cannot flat hard enough to catch up

1280
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: with him, so he just sets his ass down on

1281
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: the desert. And then the little eagle hunter that's with us,

1282
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: he I don't know why he didn't ride his horse center.

1283
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 1: He just dismounts from his horse and he runs all

1284
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: the way down there and picks the and picks the

1285
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: eagle up on his arm and brings him back. So,

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01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, I saw three eagles running after a fox

1287
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: and a head wind trying to catch a fox, and

1288
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: they were just out of shape and they couldn't they

1289
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: couldn't tackle that wind. And that fox. You know, he

1290
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: was smart enough that he'd come off that mountain, ran

1291
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: through those sheep and goats as a distraction, and then

1292
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: turned into the wind because he knew that that eagle

1293
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: would have trouble, uh, trying to capture him in the

1294
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: wind like that. So do you get the sens these dudes, like,

1295
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: do they want to get something or they just want

1296
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: to be out messing around there? No, no, man, they

1297
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: want to get something. Because we left that mountain and

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01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: one or the other and we got after, we got

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: after another fox, and they was always on my ass

1300
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, that damn horse wrote a

1301
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: blister in my ass. It was uncomfortable, and his jog trotten.

1302
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm a gated type force guy. I like when they

1303
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: hit a leg and good to travel across country there,

1304
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: but they were always on my ass every time I

1305
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: tried to gallop a horse or whatever. And we were

1306
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: going to another mountain over there, and we got after

1307
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: a fox and the flusher boy there, uh, he was

1308
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: trying to cut the fox off, and he had his

1309
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: horse at a full gallop going across the desert floor.

1310
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: They told us to post up and not to go

1311
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: when he were, and he was at a full gallop

1312
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: and he hit a liming a leaming uh colony, you know,

1313
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: like a the little animal like the gopher that's over there.

1314
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: And he hit that colony there and his horse caved

1315
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: in on a hole and he went head over heels

1316
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: off that horse, and he finally got up brushing all

1317
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: the dust and everything off, holding his arm and rubbing

1318
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: his leg and finally got up on his horse enough

1319
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: and then got back over there. And still like two

1320
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: hours later, he was still holding his arm. And he

1321
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: was a young dude in his thirties. But we got

1322
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: after a fox and they said he ran up into

1323
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: the mountain, up into a like a cave, a crevass

1324
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: on it, and those dude got up there about fifty

1325
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: sixty ft climbing around, and they all wore these boots,

1326
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: those Harness boots like the Harley Davids and motorcycle guys.

1327
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: You know. Rather they ain't worth a damn for climbing

1328
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: around the rocks. But they are up there poking around

1329
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: trying to find, you know, where that fox was throwing

1330
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: some rocks trying to get him out. But yes, they

1331
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: truly were trying to catch some some creditors. Yeah, they

1332
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: wanted to catch, you know, catch something, you know, for us.

1333
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: But like you said, it was just the circumstances over there.

1334
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: And and that's part of being a falconer that you

1335
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: alluded to earlier. There, you go out trying to catch

1336
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: an animal, you're not gonna get something every time, and

1337
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of on an even playing field where you've

1338
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: got predator and prey out there, and it's just so

1339
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: who's the strongest or what conditions you are, who's gonna

1340
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: win that day? And if you want to get type

1341
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: of guy that wants to stack up a lot of

1342
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: game animals, and you do not want to be a falconer.

1343
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: You're in for You're in it for, you know, owning

1344
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: a bird, taking care and of it, having a relationship

1345
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: where you can take an animal that you have tamed

1346
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: and go out there and turn it loose into the

1347
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: wild and it trust you enough to come back. And

1348
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: sometimes their eagles don't come back. One guy lost an

1349
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: eagle at the eagle festival. He turned it loose and

1350
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: it just decided it was gonna fly off and not

1351
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: not come back. So he's gonna go back to being

1352
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: the eagle. Yes, and they do that, you know, they

1353
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: may keep an eagle for five or six years and

1354
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: then turn it loose and and then go get another one.

1355
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: The eagle hunter that we were with, he had a

1356
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: six year old eagle and a two year old eagle

1357
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: that he that he was training, and then when they

1358
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: got um uh solo, then they would release them back

1359
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:49,839
Speaker 1: into the to the wild and let him go free.

1360
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: You know what you're talking about? How are you saying

1361
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: that horse legs to run and you'd like to run

1362
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: enough another way? Well, there's like a gallop, you know,

1363
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: job trot and gallop like a lot of quarter horse

1364
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: and there's a canner that's kind of an easy slow

1365
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: you know, uh ride a fox trot, you know, different

1366
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: shuffle there. A gaited horse has a smooth ride. And

1367
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a big horseman, but like I said, you

1368
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: know you could if your asses in a saddle, you

1369
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: can feel it, you know, get him in a certain

1370
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: I thought a horse was a horse until uh I

1371
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: got involved with him, a friend of mine, he's a

1372
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: big horseman. Paul. You met Paul. We went over in

1373
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: eight breaths into his house. So I just thought all

1374
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: horses did the same, whether they run to Kentucky Derby

1375
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: or pulled the card or whatever. But you know, there's

1376
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,839
Speaker 1: riding horses and working horses and roping horses and mountain horses,

1377
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: and definitely those mongoling horses are made to billy go

1378
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: around on top of the mountain with no fear whatsoever

1379
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: beyond a shell slope and ship sliding off whatever, and

1380
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: seeing them a nice piece of grass and bend down

1381
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: and take a big bite and not worry about following

1382
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: their ass off the face of them ountain. So yes,

1383
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: what I was taking interest in in Wyoming this year

1384
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: when we're hunting down there on horseback is how just

1385
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: how bad your scroll gets just beat up man on

1386
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: a certain when they get to try. Yes, this gotta

1387
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: be like, there's gotta be tricks for that. Well, you know,

1388
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: you can stand up in the stirrups, but my knees

1389
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 1: are shot. They are completely wore out. So I got

1390
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: no cushion in my knees anymore. I cannot do that.

1391
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: So you know, basically I spent about ten days on horseback.

1392
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: When I was over there was your scroll just getting

1393
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: just beat up. Not too bad my ass. The saddle

1394
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: was too too small, so the back of my ass

1395
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: was cushion and the rest of me so I didn't

1396
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: have to worry about that too much. But you know,

1397
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: I kind of a horseman, so I kind of know

1398
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: how to get into saddle and use the back of

1399
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: my ass for the padding instead of the front of

1400
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: my scroll them to ride out. Yeah, someone was telling

1401
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: me that part of the thing is like not to

1402
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: and chump when he starts trotting right, you clench your

1403
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: legs up and you make less room in there for

1404
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: everything to lay out how it needs to lay out.

1405
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: But I was wondering about if you went, if you'd

1406
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: be smarter to to to go no onies to go

1407
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: underwereless like if you were up there, they got they

1408
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: can take it to extremes. Let's say you're up there

1409
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: and nothing. You're up there in your birthday suit. Are

1410
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: you still smashing your scroll? Well, you know you use

1411
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: your thighs too, and yeah, because yeah, when that horror

1412
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: starts to moving you, you clench up more. And someone said,

1413
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: it's it's being learning how to relax your thighs and

1414
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: not squeeze in so bad so that everything's getting beat up.

1415
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: I like, I'm telling you, I don't remember this being

1416
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: such an issue when I was younger, but it seems

1417
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: in the harder kind of ride, and it's a real

1418
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: thing where I feel as though you had sat one

1419
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: might sacrifice his ability to have children. Not that I

1420
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: need that ability anymore. Well, it's kind of riding a

1421
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: bicycle too. You know, you're on a bicycle seat, so

1422
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: you just kind of mash my screw on a bike. Well,

1423
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: it depends on what kind of saddle, And like I said,

1424
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: it just kind of comes natural to me where I

1425
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: I've done enough miles in a horse and you've done

1426
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: enough miles in a bicycle to know how to maneuver

1427
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: yourself where you don't hurt yourself. So I think there's

1428
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: a lot into that. Probably the more time that you

1429
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: spend in the saddle, the more comfortable you get, because

1430
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: I can look some of your photographs and tell you

1431
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: your tents on the horse, and you don't you know,

1432
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 1: you're not in control. Basically, I would never come. I

1433
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: would never come present myself as a horseman. I'm the

1434
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: opposite of a horseman. And I'm putting it out an

1435
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: honest thing there. I'm sure we'll get some good feedback

1436
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: from listeners on it, but uh, I just need to

1437
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: if I was gonna become more of a horseman, Like

1438
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: if someone was said to me, hey, do you want

1439
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: here's a horse? You can have this horse? And if

1440
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: Dyven said, I'll even throw in like you keep the

1441
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: horse here and I'll feed the horse. In my mind

1442
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: would be man, do I really want to smash my

1443
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: scroll that bad all time? That's what would come to

1444
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 1: my mind. And Yanni, you're I know that this is

1445
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: something that's on your mind. You do know? I thought

1446
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: we talked about this. We did. I mean, it was,

1447
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, noticeable, But I feel like we rode all

1448
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: week and I don't know you haven't. You just get

1449
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: such a hit now and then it just hurts You're

1450
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: you're probably leaning too far forward, like I said, we're

1451
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,560
Speaker 1: I wore a blister on my ass because I was

1452
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: leaning back to not I'm definitely yeah, yeah, you need

1453
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: to lean back into the seat of the saddle more.

1454
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm all tensed up, scrunched up my

1455
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: thighser's my thighs as puckered up leaning forward, and it's

1456
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: just like a slug fest down in the air. Man.

1457
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: You are you are chance? I mean, like I said,

1458
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: I've seen a few pictures of you, and you just

1459
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: gotta learn to relax and feel confident and trust your horse.

1460
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: So you don't trust your horse. And that's one thing

1461
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: that you've got to do is trust your horse. You

1462
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:02,799
Speaker 1: gotta have a good horse to trust. And U you know, Paul,

1463
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: he taught me a lot about horses. I didn't only

1464
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: ridden like five or six times in my life before

1465
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 1: I met him, So I spent a lot of time

1466
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: in the saddle from about ninety two to uh, you know,

1467
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Man, we had some some fantastic

1468
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: squirrel hunts with you know, we might have eight or

1469
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: ten people out there in a half a day with

1470
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: Kevin is twelve buyers in a full day is twenty

1471
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: four on a squirrel hunt. That's what some of the

1472
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: boys would say. But you just gotta you know, it's

1473
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: like riding a bicycle. After you get used to it

1474
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: and know how to maneuver around whatever, you'll keep from

1475
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: hurting yourself. And the same with you. You just need

1476
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: some more time in the saddle. Have a good horse,

1477
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: have have your your stirrups and everything fits you where

1478
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: you can stand up and cushion yourself in a big

1479
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: enough seat where you can lean back and feel comfortable,

1480
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,799
Speaker 1: and find you that sweet spot where you can ride

1481
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: in maneuver and cover grounds. So you just need some

1482
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: more time in the saddle. Was a yeah, my only horse. Like,

1483
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't spend any time just messing around on horse.

1484
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: It's like we get thrown into situations where you're like, oh,

1485
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna ride these horses up and look for a

1486
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: grizzly bear, ride these horses all through the mountains. I

1487
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: never just get a chance to just go out, and

1488
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: you need to pleasure. Develop my pleasure. I developed my skills.

1489
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: Ye oh, go ahead. You just need to go out

1490
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 1: and pleasure ride and have no mission other than you

1491
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: spend a good day on the horse with somebody and

1492
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: have no mission other than to get comfortable and see

1493
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: the outdoors and cover some ground and find out what

1494
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: works for you. Yeah. Uh, your assessment of these these

1495
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: the Mongolian guys did, uh? Were they hunters? To look?

1496
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: Are they like? Are they are they? Oh next weekend

1497
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: or this? You know we're fishing, then we're gonna go

1498
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: hunt this, and we're gonna go hunt that. Then we're

1499
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna go eagle hunting. Are they like well rounded all

1500
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:57,799
Speaker 1: around outdoorsman? Um? Probably as one trick ponies. Um. Yeah.

1501
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: You know they had high powered goods. They didn't have

1502
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: a lot of game there. You know it's been I

1503
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: guess vanished there wolves. Uh. You know, I had a

1504
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: twenty two rifle made in Russia and they had to bruno. Uh.

1505
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: I forgot what calibrat was seven point six by thirty

1506
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: nine or something. But they didn't talk about hunting a

1507
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: whole lot. Uh. But as far as fishing and living

1508
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: off the land and all that, Yeah, they just didn't

1509
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: have you know, they worked and had to uh to

1510
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: take care of themselves. But as far as having organized hunts,

1511
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: now some of the one of the guys that was

1512
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 1: driving us around, he had a dragon off Russian sniper

1513
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: rifle and he talked about bear hunting. Uh. He was

1514
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: at an eagle hunter. You know. The eagle hunters are

1515
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: kind of like nomads, so they whatever it takes to

1516
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: live off the land is what they do. They hurt

1517
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: their sheep herders, gold herders have camels, Uh, have cattle

1518
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: cross with the all the mont Goldian cat I'm going

1519
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: to blank. Uh. You know they are basically their diet

1520
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: is red and white uh, dairy products and meat. Uh.

1521
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: As far as vegetables and things of that nature, they

1522
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: do not have so like a yogurt, cheese, things of

1523
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: that nature, cream, milk, whatever we had over there. But

1524
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: as far as a hunter, uh, they knew how all

1525
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: the animals act whatever, you know, whatever it took to

1526
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: kill a wolf, catch a wolf or whatever. Yes, but

1527
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, my experience with them was just around the camp,

1528
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: traveling on horseback, uh, fishing. Uh, So we didn't have

1529
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see a whole lot of different game

1530
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: over there. We never saw a rabbit when we were

1531
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: out eagle hunting now coming back from the little squirrel

1532
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: hunting do there we got into we saw a Siberian

1533
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: lynx our European links. Yes, yes, it crossed the road

1534
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: in front of us. I got out, tried to force

1535
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: it around, surpulate back around because cats usually are very

1536
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,959
Speaker 1: curious and not really afraid of humans that much. And

1537
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: and I got into it, and I noticed that there

1538
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: was a bunch of sticker bushes, thorn bushes there, and

1539
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: then I put two and two together. That night when

1540
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: we were coming in, we saw several rabbits and they

1541
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,759
Speaker 1: were around that same type of vegetation. So the rabbits,

1542
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: you know, there be like briar patches here. When we

1543
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: were out in the desert, we never I never saw

1544
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: that vegetation whatsoever anywhere. And they told me that most

1545
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: of the rabbits were up in the rocks, so they

1546
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:27,879
Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable getting out, you know, being silhouetted or whatever.

1547
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: But we saw rabbits. I saw the links with in

1548
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: the in the thorn bushes. And then that night saw

1549
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: several rabbits coming in by moonlight and they were always

1550
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: in the thorn bushes. So uh, you can include this

1551
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: trip in there or not. But um, if you had, well,

1552
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 1: let me ask you this first. If it are you

1553
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: gonna like if I gotta talk to you in a

1554
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: year and you're gonna be a falconer and not a

1555
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: not just like a dog man. Uh. Now I could

1556
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: give up dogs for bird. Sorry, I wouldn't like that now.

1557
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, I think I do not want

1558
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: to be a slave for a bird, because you know,

1559
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: when I go on a hunting trip, I may take

1560
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: a pack of beagles or a bird dog or a

1561
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: squirrel dog, and then I still got some troops at home.

1562
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: I've got some very good neighbors that come over and

1563
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: take care of my critters while I'm gone. I would

1564
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: not want to put that on anybody taking care of

1565
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: a bird. And and it doesn't I'm fascinated by that.

1566
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: I've got some friends. I've got Clayton. I've got a

1567
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: young boy and he's a connor. He's getting his paperwork

1568
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: together and I put him together with a friend that

1569
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,480
Speaker 1: I talked to on the telephone has been a lifelong falconer.

1570
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: So you got to go under apprentice program for a year. Uh,

1571
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: and then you have to take a test and people

1572
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: have to sign of phone you and then you get

1573
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: a permit to catch you a bird. But now as

1574
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: far as me going out and Honey, I hope he

1575
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,839
Speaker 1: gets one. I will be a consumer. I'll take my dogs,

1576
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 1: maybe bar some horses. I'm out of the horse business

1577
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: right now, and we'll go out and catch us a

1578
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: squirrel or swamp rabbit or maybe out west and get

1579
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: some some um game birds or whatever. But now I

1580
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: don't I don't ever see me. I have no ambitions

1581
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: of being a falconer. I appreciate the sport. I want

1582
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: to go go back to Mongolia. I want to go

1583
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: in the US and and go on some hunts. But

1584
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by it. But as far as being bound

1585
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: to a bird, not not made, what was your uh

1586
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: out of your season? Your season? What? What were some like?

1587
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: What's the biggest lesson you learned if you if you're

1588
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: factor in Mongolia? Everything else? What you find out about

1589
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: yourself by hunting? Uh? You know, uh hunters worldwide or

1590
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: golden And there's a certain bond that you can do

1591
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: uh by just small things uh that puts you all

1592
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: in a brotherhood. Um, you know, uh, just some things

1593
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 1: that you can do um To give you an example,

1594
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: um um our young guys started out with us. He's

1595
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: thirty one, uh eyvall and uh when when when our

1596
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: game plan changed and we wanted to go sight seeing,

1597
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: they put an older guy guide with us uh to

1598
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:24,839
Speaker 1: Tupac and he'd been over there, well, he lives in Mongolia.

1599
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 1: He lives in Mongolia. And I was kind of uh,

1600
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: not happy, not pleased that they were swapped guides up us,

1601
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 1: but it worked out for the best and I have

1602
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: two friends over there now. But he had been there

1603
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 1: around Socialist time. He had he had led several geological

1604
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: expeditions out into the desert and the mountain region looking

1605
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: for tungsten, uh rare earth elements, uranium, copper and all this.

1606
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: And he knew about mine in and tungsten and all that.

1607
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: And of course, with my geology background, I find it

1608
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: very interesting and inquisitive. And you could see the landscapes

1609
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: over there, no no vegetation, so you can see veins

1610
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: where tungsten were, and the copper, the different types of

1611
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: rock formations and all that. So we uh we uh

1612
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: went up the valley, made friends with the eagle hunter.

1613
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: I saw that he had a squirrel, and he told

1614
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: me about getting a squirrel and where they were, and

1615
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 1: somewhere or another we got into the tungsten uh part

1616
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: of it, and he he had some not supposed to

1617
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: all the government owns all the minerals and resources over there,

1618
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 1: but he had some and he showed that to me,

1619
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: and I found it very fascinating, and I so much

1620
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: wanted to be a tourist and say, I would like

1621
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: to purchase a small piece of that tungsten front you,

1622
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't. Kevin didn't do that. So uh, he

1623
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: showed it to me. I handled it, my hands whatever,

1624
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: and we went Uh. He said about four o'clock these

1625
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: stags would come out and we could start looking at them.

1626
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: And they were about two thousand meters away up on

1627
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: the mountain side, and we were glassing, and finally a

1628
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: dole came out and I saw her, and then I

1629
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: looked over to our guide and I said, you tell

1630
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: the young eagle. Hunter said, uh, if I was ten

1631
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: years younger, we would be having that dole for five

1632
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: finger feast tomorrow. And he he he told him that,

1633
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: and immediately, for some reason he got up and went

1634
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 1: in the house and got started beating on something and

1635
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 1: come out there and gave me a piece of that tungsten.

1636
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 1: And of all the things that I go back, you

1637
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: know that I paid for whatever. That is my most cherished,

1638
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: uh momento from the trip was that small piece of

1639
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: tungsten that I didn't ask for whatever, But we just

1640
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of communicated. He knew that I was gold and

1641
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: then that I would most likely supersede laws in values

1642
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: to be a true part of the culture over there.

1643
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: So that's probably my golden lesson there that there's a

1644
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 1: bond when people do certain things that you can tell.

1645
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 1: They can talk all they want to, but until they

1646
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: really do something, do you know that they are a

1647
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: part of their brotherhood. So he knew that, Hey, at heart,

1648
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: I was a hunter and I didn't have to have

1649
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: a permit, but I would go up there and we

1650
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: would kill that animal together and have a face and

1651
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 1: it just clicked. I mean, it's just something magical surreal

1652
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 1: about that. So that's probably one of my big lessons

1653
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 1: that that I learned. And then Uh, my buddy Raymond,

1654
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: he taught me. He's my wing man. He goes all

1655
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: over the place with him, but he will not go

1656
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: into any Gentleman's club in any foreign country. He won't

1657
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: let me go in there either. So but we were

1658
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: out hunting, and he showed me the difference between a

1659
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: where a squirrel had been in an acron in a

1660
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: in a a blackbird or a bird, blue jay, whatever.

1661
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: Do you know the difference? Have you ever seen that? Okay,

1662
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: if you'll hold the acron up, you know the woods

1663
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,759
Speaker 1: floor was covered with acrons where something had been eating

1664
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 1: on them. But but they pulled the cap off and

1665
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: then they like scoop it out with her beak and

1666
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: you can see beat marks in the acre were were

1667
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: I guess they hold that in there one of their

1668
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: claws and pull the cap off of it, and that

1669
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: we're able to eat that. But I uh, he taught

1670
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: me that, and I did not know that. So that's

1671
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: something about nature that I didn't. I just thought they

1672
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: were squirrels or whatever. I knew that they come in

1673
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: and eat acorns. But right now I can distinguish whether

1674
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 1: it's um being eaten by a bird of some type

1675
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 1: or a squirrel. That's a good trick down. Yes, yeah,

1676
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: you know something, a little bit bit of information. You're

1677
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 1: never too old to learn something. Listen you know, finish

1678
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: that the squirrel hunt in Mongolia story. And then because

1679
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: you said you met the only other squirrel hunter in Mongolia,

1680
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: so did you bond what that did? That's that's the

1681
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,839
Speaker 1: guy that that that broke me off a piece of tungsten.

1682
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: That gave it to me, and I got a bottle

1683
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: of wine out and we drank and he told me

1684
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: about going up in the mountains. It's like a European

1685
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 1: black squirrel. And I've got a picture of holding up

1686
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: the pale that was one of his. You know, they'd

1687
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: have these like a little shrine in their house where

1688
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: if they were eagle hunter, they would have like a

1689
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: rabbit pelt, uh hair pelt, snowsho hair, uh fox whatever. Well,

1690
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: he had a squirrel pelt hanging on his wall, and

1691
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: I instantly bonded with him when I saw that, and

1692
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: he told me they lived up in the mountains and

1693
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: there was some timber. That was the first part of

1694
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Mongolia that we actually saw any trees. The rest of

1695
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: it was just rock and just arid um um, just

1696
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, high mountain desert. I call it desert. It's

1697
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 1: really the mountainous, the most mountainous region, most barren region

1698
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 1: least populated in all of Mongolia. You got to Russia

1699
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: up on the top. You got Khakistan kind of in

1700
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 1: the middle of the point in the China. We probably

1701
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: got within fifteen miles of China or closest, and within

1702
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: sindy five miles of Russia in Khakistan, UH during my trip.

1703
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: So we're in that far left corner of Mongolia, right

1704
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: on the border of China, UH Kakistan in uh Russia.

1705
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: You know how to sit with you eat and all

1706
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: that eating just meat and in dairy, I feel like

1707
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: the tears some people up well, you know, we were

1708
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: concerned about that. Everything that we had read said, you know,

1709
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 1: the food was kind of bland. Bring you some hot sauce,

1710
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: some salt, whatever. So uh, the first stop that we

1711
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: made after we got situated was to go into a

1712
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: small grocery store. We bought five pounds of salt, a

1713
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: bunch of different hot sauces. All that make a long

1714
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 1: story short. We left it all with them. Our food

1715
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: was excellent. We had our own cook We had some

1716
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: type of vegetables. Every single day. I eat a banana

1717
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 1: just about every day. I took ester vitamin C and

1718
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: a vitamin B one, uh, basically the same formula as airborne.

1719
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: You know, we were at a high altitude the whole time.

1720
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: I was worried about altitude sicknesses. But you know, we

1721
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: ate like kings over there. And finally we had to

1722
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 1: tell them had hate cut our food off. U. But

1723
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: we had a cooked soya and I've made some. She

1724
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: showed me how to make some Kakastan doughnuts and fried

1725
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: them and uh cheap fat one night. But our meal

1726
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: they had, you know, special meal for us. We would

1727
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: have eggs and cream of wheat and uh peppers, and

1728
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: we had a pretty wide variety of food to eat.

1729
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: And so we did not have you know, traditional and

1730
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: old just a red and white diet. So they were

1731
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: very they were very accommodating with us on that and

1732
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 1: the food wise it was very good. Uh. Every little

1733
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,879
Speaker 1: homestead that we came into, the Mongolian people very friendly.

1734
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: It's like old old country folk when I was a kid.

1735
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: You come to their house, they get their best food

1736
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 1: out that they've got and may be left over biscuits,

1737
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: country ham, bacon, some old coffee, sweet tea or whatever,

1738
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: and they would have us a feast and they wanted

1739
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: to hear about what was going on in America, about

1740
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: our kids or about our jobs. And it was just wholesome.

1741
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I just fell in love. The

1742
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: longer that I stayed over there, the stronger that I got,

1743
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 1: and the more that I liked the country and the people.

1744
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: Even though there's a key communication barrier there, you know,

1745
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: there's always some kind of interpreter or whatever saying, and

1746
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 1: some people welcome me into their house. Uh. One of

1747
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: our drivers, his family, his his younger sister. She was

1748
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: young and she played uh I like a little uh

1749
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: uh musical instruments, so she serenade us uh during a

1750
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: one visit. Uh. So it was it was a truly adventure,

1751
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: just jam packed food, uh entertainment. Um. You know when

1752
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: I went to the Eagle Festival, I met little Spi

1753
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: girl Jillion. You know, I spent ten days out in

1754
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: the desert with the best eagle hunter and all of Mongolia,

1755
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: and then we pay money to go to this event

1756
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: where all the eagle hunters bring their eagle in that

1757
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: they do competition. It would be like uh, you know,

1758
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 1: being out west bird hunting with the very best bird

1759
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 1: hunter like Patrick and his dogs. Uh. For ten days

1760
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: and then going to some pay preserve and paying money

1761
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: to shoot some quail that's been raised in this cage

1762
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: the entire life. So that was that was kind of

1763
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the scenario. So I just couldn't get into it. And

1764
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of tourists, a bunch of tourists there,

1765
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: and I looked around and I saw this blondheavy girl

1766
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: with its orange toboggan onum so saying, hey, come talk

1767
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 1: to me. So I went over there and started talking

1768
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: to her. And she says she was a jump bond

1769
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: dealer awful Wall Street, and she wanted to do some

1770
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: traveling before she got to a uh in their in

1771
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: their early thirties, and so she found me fascinating that

1772
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 1: I squirrel hunted and hunted and did all that, and

1773
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: uh we've become friends. And she even came in in

1774
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: uh they and twenty ninth of February, and um, I

1775
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: took her and we got a swamp rabbit in a

1776
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: uh fox squirreld. So we're we're friends today, like like

1777
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: Dayton friends or friend France. Just you know, I've recruited

1778
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: someone into the uh you know, I have done the recruitment.

1779
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,679
Speaker 1: We've got retention and reactivation. So I've got a young

1780
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: lady female that never been hunted in her life, had

1781
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: never killed an animal, that her first animal was a

1782
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 1: swamp rabbit, and yet he had eason killed a swamp rabbit.

1783
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 1: Yet good. So so you know we're we're friends. And uh,

1784
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: she finds hunting very fascinating and uh it's pretty unique story.

1785
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: You know, She's traveled around the world, went to Antarctica,

1786
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: sent me some pictures about being down there with the

1787
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: walrces and the penguins and all that. So, uh, you know,

1788
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm ready to anybody I can get in the honey world.

1789
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Not everyone is is made to be a hunter or

1790
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: traveler whatever, but I'm all for recruitment, getting people in

1791
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: and to show them that hunting is more than killing

1792
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: an animal. It's going out, maybe going to you know,

1793
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: may I just go to Baring Springs, Michigan and and

1794
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 1: beat some of the local people, go out and eat

1795
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: and and enjoy their friendship, you know once a year,

1796
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: or maybe I go to a foreign country and see

1797
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 1: what all they eat and meet a person that maybe

1798
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 1: I just become friends and just talk on the internet

1799
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: or you know, telephone call or letter or whatever. So

1800
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot more to a hunter than just going

1801
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: out and killing an animal. Uh. There's a you know, friendship, camaraderie,

1802
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 1: there's a common bomb, very complex uh you know, uh

1803
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: scenario of being being a hunter, and not everyone is

1804
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: meant to be a hunter. Um. So you know, I

1805
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 1: can respect people that don't want to hunt. Um, I'm

1806
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 1: after the people that's in the middle, that that would

1807
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: that I could recruit into the honey world. You know,

1808
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: at one time I had lots of competition, and I

1809
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 1: don't have any competition anymore. It's just seems less and

1810
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: less every year that we have people out hunting, hunting

1811
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: with dogs and pursuing you know, nature. So I'm all

1812
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 1: for trying to get as many people as we can

1813
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: into the into the field and and support you know,

1814
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: buying license and protecting our environment. And if you don't

1815
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: want to hunt, that's that you're right, you don't have

1816
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: to hunt. Hell yeah, Kevin, thank you man. I can't

1817
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: wait till Yeah. We gotta get back out. I'm we

1818
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: gotta get back out, bad bad, bad bad, And I'm

1819
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: talking to kind of getting out where we get something.

1820
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: But we gotta, we gotta I gotta we gotta, we

1821
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: gotta talk about a couple of quick things here, Kevin.

1822
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna act like I'm telling you about it, and

1823
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: then you act really interested, okay, and then listeners will

1824
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: will not realize you're listening to uh us plugging our

1825
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 1: own stuff. So you can ask questions too if you want. Kevin,

1826
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: we got a new new new series, new YouTube on

1827
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel, a new thing we're putting out called

1828
01:34:53,240 --> 01:35:04,839
Speaker 1: Meat Eater Hunts. Different stuff launches. I know already happened.

1829
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: It's already out launched. That's what I meant to say.

1830
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: April Meeta's YouTube channel. We got two new and we

1831
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 1: put up two new episodes every Wednesday. The ones we

1832
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: just put up so far, first week's episodes is a

1833
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: spear fishing trip me you know Yanni did in the

1834
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: Channel Islands. And then we got uh one of Yanni's

1835
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: elk hunting trips jannest Is elk hunt in Colorado. So

1836
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: those are the first first week's episodes of Metiator Hunts.

1837
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: This is something we'll be rolling with and doing more

1838
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: and more of coming up, so check those out. What else, Yanni?

1839
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, how's that sound, Kevin's are you gonna go

1840
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: watch the spear fishing. That's right up my alley. You know,

1841
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: to go hunt some fish. You know, do it. It's

1842
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 1: the greatest sing in the world. Man. You know, when

1843
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: I go fishing, I like for him to be biden.

1844
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't like fish for fish. Now, I can go

1845
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:59,600
Speaker 1: hunting and hunt for something and not get it. But

1846
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,679
Speaker 1: on the fish, I want to be out out hunting.

1847
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 1: So that spearfish and that sounds like on my bucket list.

1848
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 1: You know, I wasted. I wasted my life. Man. If

1849
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 1: I'd have found out about it, I would have taken

1850
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: a different If I had known about it earlier what

1851
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: I know about it now, I would have taken a

1852
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: different path in life. I'll take a different path. I

1853
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: would be living some cold ass mountains. I can tell

1854
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: you that I'd be living in some tropical environment right now. Um,

1855
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: So everybody should go check that out. Mediator Hunts. Go

1856
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: on YouTube channel. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. We got

1857
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 1: we've all kinds of junk up there, good stuff. Good

1858
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: jump up on that and uh, Kevin Murphy, Dude, I

1859
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: miss you so bad knowing that I can't hang out

1860
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: you and I can only look at you. This is

1861
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: gonna lift soon that we're gonna start getting back to normal.

1862
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: It makes me depressed. I miss you. I miss you bad.

1863
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: It's good having me on though. I'm glad to seeing

1864
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,799
Speaker 1: you guys. And like I said, you're just like family.

1865
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: You're in the brotherhood. You know, we we bond together.

1866
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: We get it. You know, you don't don't even have

1867
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: to say something. You know, a good hunter can just

1868
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: look at somebody and go after game or whatever and

1869
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: know what the other guys thinking. And that's part of

1870
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: the being a well accomplished hunter there that you don't

1871
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,959
Speaker 1: have to you know, talk or what every body language,

1872
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 1: just eye contacts say hey, we need to do this.

1873
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of you know, like uh telepathic with really

1874
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 1: good hunters. And I'll put you two guys right in

1875
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: there with me on that part. So uh yeah, maybe

1876
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: we get you any swamp rabbit one of these days.

1877
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to Kevin. All right, he might have

1878
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: to get rid of that that mohawk. We'll talk about it.

1879
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: He might grant he might be to bring that mohawk

1880
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 1: with him. All right, Kevin Murphy, the world's greatest small

1881
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 1: game hunter. Ken, I gotta tell you this. We recently

1882
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: had a guy ask he wrote in to ask who's

1883
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 1: the second greatest small game hunter? And we told him, uh,

1884
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: we didn't really have any ideas for him. It's not

1885
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. There's like the greatest, then there's

1886
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: everybody else. I appreciate it. I'm trying to throw a

1887
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 1: bunch of people into being the second best. And there's

1888
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: a lot of guys out there. Yes, there's a lot

1889
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: of guys out there that can feel my shoes, and

1890
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do whatever possible I can to help them

1891
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: get up there to be number one. That is uh,

1892
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 1: my goal in life from from here on out to

1893
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: help either your accomplish or the beginning hunter or whatever.

1894
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: If I can hit you in any way, I wanted

1895
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: to send a message to say, hey, get out there

1896
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 1: and and everybody's wanted advice, but the best way to

1897
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 1: do it, like you guys know, is just get out

1898
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: there and start doing it and do what fits you

1899
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:37,759
Speaker 1: because everybody is different, uh, and how they tackle things.

1900
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 1: So just do see you know, like riding a horse

1901
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 1: or riding a bicycle. Hey, get out there and do

1902
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: it and see what fits man. Next time I see you,

1903
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: Kevin On gonna see it for real. It's not gonna

1904
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 1: be on this screen. I'm gonna reach out and give

1905
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 1: you a pitch on the cheek or a titty twister.

1906
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna make

1907
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 1: physical contact with you. Kevin. You guys maybe go do

1908
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: some pleasure riding together where you Yeah, you come, We

1909
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: come on horses. Now we're gonna going, alright, Kevin, thanks again, man,

1910
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: Thanks due. I missed you so bad. I missed you

1911
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: so bad, I can't stand it. Uh you too, jest Hey,

1912
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: thanks alright, guys, Kevin, world's great at small game. Hunter Murphy,

1913
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 1: take care, Thank you all right, sign it out,